tmsr - Log 2018-12-15

asciilifeform: phf: i am thinking, instead of burning time on emulating 'nubus' and ancient crapple, when working (from mac-side pov) clone exists i'ma drive it directly via onboard ft2232hl or similar ( the mac-side src , i've had for yrs, and it's quite straightforward re what is done to the card; once i know what specifically happens on the card when nubus regs are written, may as well do it from pc directly to/from the ivory cpu via usb-to-5v-f

asciilifeform: ifo )

asciilifeform: a sort of anal feeding, if you will.

asciilifeform: the item can then be used as fairly compact instrument to probe behaviour of the chip vs. the old emulators.

asciilifeform: incidentally, i had potentially interesting notion: a modern-day digicam ccd, of e.g. 25 'megapixel', is just about dense enuff that one could take a meaningful xray of the ivory die, if one could be found that responds to xray.. ☟︎

asciilifeform: very much an open q tho.

asciilifeform: danielpbarron: full bore calvin, eh

asciilifeform: danielpbarron: plox to expand then, what do we get when we xor danielpbarron's no-free-wills with calvin

danielpbarron: the idea that Christ died only for the elect, rather than for the entire world

asciilifeform: also possibly i missed sumthing, but didn't danielpbarron schism from 'truechurch' ?

asciilifeform: ( or was it over some other doctrine )

asciilifeform: !#s darwinfish

asciilifeform: could've sworn there was sumthing re a schism

danielpbarron: yeah, darwin split from grace comminity baptist, and al soto split from darwin's thing

asciilifeform bbl : off to maffs room for ~3rd~ rewrite of ch14...

asciilifeform: meanwhile, in phuctor q&a, http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/1zcrs/?raw=true

asciilifeform: ( ben_vulpes : can haz logging back in #a plz ? )

asciilifeform: do i have to write own log bot nao on top of errything else ?

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-14#1880830 << afaik satellites meanwhile were chinesium'd. "oh, it is broken ? launch another one". ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2018-12-14 19:33 asciilifeform: reportedly items like this are being orbited , as cost-saving measure in place of ye olde saphire semiconductors. but there's ~nuffin publicly written re just how built.

mircea_popescu: it all started with the gps -- there, MUST have multiple sats for multiple positions. but "if there -- everywhere", so now the method is "just launch seven".

mircea_popescu: what's not being discussed is the problem of space debris. but yes, unsurprisingly enough and predictably enough the end result of "people can now go to space" was "earth now looks like a ball of burata looks once the mold can '''go to space'''. ie, surrounded by a skirting of debris," ☟︎

mircea_popescu: because "people" aren't a thing, it's a catchall phrase including anything and everything, and mostly nothing by mass.

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-14#1880841 << if you do, follow hygiene correctly. xraying not unlike ye olde metal foundry technician's job. ☝︎☟︎

a111: Logged on 2018-12-14 22:49 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i'ma prolly end up xraying with own hands, i dun trust heathen derps with the jools

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-14#1880848 << honestly taking the dram out of it entirely major simplificatory cut of great gain. ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2018-12-14 22:53 asciilifeform: ( and really dun need dram at all, the drams on the daughterboard are all connected through period auto-refresher ic that presents as a sram )

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-14#1880861 << incidentally, if and when this pays off (which i suspect it will), shall be lulzy to see the "oh, didn't happen, we did it first bla bla bla" morons. ☝︎☟︎

a111: Logged on 2018-12-14 22:58 asciilifeform: ( didn't exist ~5y ago when i last contemplated doing all of this )

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-15#1880867 << dude just how junkwars are you gonna get lmao. there's a special die, similar in principle, but diff materials, wtf. ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2018-12-15 00:35 asciilifeform: incidentally, i had potentially interesting notion: a modern-day digicam ccd, of e.g. 25 'megapixel', is just about dense enuff that one could take a meaningful xray of the ivory die, if one could be found that responds to xray..

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: you'd want to coat it in luminophore, prolly

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-15#1880896 << i figure 100metre of 1/d^2 oughta suffice ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2018-12-15 05:35 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-14#1880841 << if you do, follow hygiene correctly. xraying not unlike ye olde metal foundry technician's job.

asciilifeform has a sort of outhouse, for such work

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-15#1880900 << i won't even be esp. disappointed if result is that the sitters-on-tapes pull heads out of collective arse and post the goods ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2018-12-15 05:39 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-14#1880861 << incidentally, if and when this pays off (which i suspect it will), shall be lulzy to see the "oh, didn't happen, we did it first bla bla bla" morons.

asciilifeform: there's the keV vs mm of xyz penetration curve etc.

mircea_popescu: there's also the what to discard, what not to have in there at all (yes there's such a thing as xray mirror, also some plastics are no good, and so on).

asciilifeform: grazing-incidence mirror aha

asciilifeform: ( the only kind there is, in that spectrum, sadly, or we'd have microscope )

mircea_popescu: it's a thing. when you're going "meh, ima use a dental kit" you're being one kinda lulzy. when you're going "a-ha, ima make xray out of old tv tube and camera sensor" you're being ANOTHER kind.

asciilifeform: my particular setup ( and yes have 1 from ~last~ time this came up ) has somewhat opposite problem of 'shoot self and bystanders' -- it aint a dental kit, but surplus tube the size of finger, orig . was used to measure thickness of au on glass sinter

asciilifeform: i.e. barely detectable output, will need relatively long exposure.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it was in trilema piece

asciilifeform: the co-60 brazilians.

mircea_popescu: right ? buncha moron/anal princesses discovered the ultimate precious stones.

asciilifeform: if they'd watched it glitter from 100m, would've lived, lol

asciilifeform: btw gedankenexperiment -- given patience, and a rigid, immovable photo subject (e.g. pcb) , can take radiogram... without tube. ( sun. a la the 'erase uv eprom without eraser' method ) . by my napkin calc, 8 or so months of film cassette on rooftop oughta produce an image..

asciilifeform: not given as practical how-to, but 'could or could not'

mircea_popescu: (you don't have detectors that fine, you'll get 8 months' worth of noise. but anyway.)

asciilifeform: what detectors. photopaper in sealed metallic pouch.

asciilifeform: ( believe or not, this is an actual problem for folx keeping stockpile of photopaper, it fogs even without 'sunbathe' , from background gamma . which is likely why scheme wouldn't work.)

asciilifeform: suppose cassette sat in trough of pb, 2cm or so in thickness. ( i.e. only path for photon onto paper, is through the $object )

asciilifeform: on 2nd thought, will still produce rubbish, from those very same grazing reflects.

asciilifeform: you'd need a 'shadow mask', like in ye olde crt !

asciilifeform: 'game not worth candles' .

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: approx what % pass the 'omfg it's cut off' litmus ?

mircea_popescu: not 10%. >90% of them about evenly split between the indolent imbecility of silence and aggressive stupidity of the "wut".

mircea_popescu: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/dcTLv/?raw=true << sample "makes it". they do exist, just, the english speaking world readily approximates as a small townstead drowned in an ocean's worth of inexplicably voluble & outspoken krill.

BingoBoingo: Damn "passed time" time stamping. Though for a second there was a 51 year old cuck involved

mircea_popescu: this whole "mate within age group" thing the anglos got going is really hurting them.

asciilifeform: 'I come along with a cuck' 'I'm marrying him' << lol!!

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-15#1880894 << thinking of this and the whole sns/hp nonstop etc thing : i suspect a large chunk of the way things went may be driven by a (naive, and not necessarily spoken) "what if machine becomes sentient and you cant' turn it off" phobia. ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2018-12-15 05:31 mircea_popescu: what's not being discussed is the problem of space debris. but yes, unsurprisingly enough and predictably enough the end result of "people can now go to space" was "earth now looks like a ball of burata looks once the mold can '''go to space'''. ie, surrounded by a skirting of debris,"

mircea_popescu: it's certainly evident in period napkin notations (because yes, stuff like asimov's productions are "the napkin doodles of scientific work") ; and strictly speaking there is exactly no difference between "sentient machine" and "metastable strange". that's exactly what sentience fucking is, metastable strange.

mircea_popescu: Ask him why he thinks he should be able to get away with unsafe code, core dumps, viruses, buffer overruns, undetected errors, etc, just because he wants “speed”. << "i asked him, he shrugged his shoulders and went 'well, at least my machine won't fucking take over the world.'"

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i can't say i have ever encountered this phobia outside of the yudkowsky/reddit/etc weirdos

asciilifeform: in order to suffer from it, afaik it is necessary to have never worked at any length with actual comp.

asciilifeform: rright, mostly yarns by folx who pre-dated microcomp.

asciilifeform: it's rather like to say 'sailors, they fear krakens' 'mmno? what century yer posting from?'

mircea_popescu: i thought we previously agreed last time any actual design work went into computing the year was 1979

asciilifeform: moar like '89

mircea_popescu: btw, you ever met one of those athletes who never changed their socks this month

asciilifeform: i thought it was mostly pokerists, and shirts rather than socks

mircea_popescu: there's a lot of variety out there, "i have a cuck, i'm marrying him" doesn't even top the scale.

asciilifeform under no illusion that said specimen 'tops scale'

asciilifeform: people think (if at all) 'part-time'

asciilifeform: sorta how i've met runners, even competition-grade ones, but they did not run all day, erry day, to kitchen, to toilet, etc ☟︎

mircea_popescu: precisely. i have regular bowel movements that do not tend to interfere with my daily life ; but even so i still spend most of the day doing other things.

asciilifeform: exactly like-so

asciilifeform: in other noose, phf , mircea_popescu , et al, the bolix is here. dks packs a++ , princely, all parts on manifest , and kilometre of bubbles. will post photos as soon as i wrap up my albatross of this week, ch14

asciilifeform: ( this makes for ~3~ original bolix cd sets in asciilifeform's torture room. anybody in l1 want one ? )

asciilifeform: thing also came complete with a bolix-encharactered 1980s crapple kbd.

asciilifeform: and the infamous 1button mouse

asciilifeform: ( it also came with the nic, so i'ma run it through x11. but will keep these around for later http://btcbase.org/log/2014-01-19#449479 ) ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2014-01-19 19:38 asciilifeform: as a boy, i read about an 18th c. book, 'Triple Power over the Forces of Hell'

asciilifeform: d00d even gives '30 day guarantee', which is quite atypical for museum irons.