tmsr - Search: beria

asciilifeform: personally i recommend replacement article 'asclepius'. (like 'bering straight' went instead of beria.)

mp_en_viaje: (a sort of single-family dwelling). the peasants had been slowly capitalizing the space around them for centuries, before that thread got discontinued, and wealth became rather a relational sort (see "note from stalin", or see beria's implementation of my very own "talk with the one with the tits". ☝︎

mp_en_viaje: was beria i nfact the proponent of much more de-stalinisation than politburo was willing to take ?

mp_en_viaje: and then you want me to tell you "what indicia". well wtf, answer some q's. the above, or "was stalin given rat poison" or "was beria popular or impopular in 1952" or SOMETHING

mp_en_viaje: how much revisionism are you contemplating here ? eg, "beria was so happy stalin '''died''' and prolly killed him" ?

mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-30#1920642 << this theory has some problems ; one among many being that stalin was actually preparing to behead beria. ☝︎

asciilifeform: installed l. p. beria as grand vizier, who immediately beheaded the leftists who operated lenin's meat grinder, and amnestied 1/3 or so of total prisoner ( hrusch -- murdered beria, let go another 1/3 and took credit for whole thing, and repainted beria as 'cannibal' )

a111: Logged on 2018-12-19 18:21 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: puzzlers like those, make e.g. bolix look trivial ( consider, bolix physically exists and is sitting in asciilifeform's tortureroom , whereas beria et al's docs were afaik carefully burned )

mircea_popescu: he lives in usg-style hruscheba much like beria did.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: puzzlers like those, make e.g. bolix look trivial ( consider, bolix physically exists and is sitting in asciilifeform's tortureroom , whereas beria et al's docs were afaik carefully burned ) ☟︎

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-02#1877821 << it apparently aint in the log, as such. but iirc there was some pantsuit reddit-wank campaign to try an' turn mircea_popescu into a sort of 'mad beria' in 'eye of history' or somesuch nonsense, that was supposed to pin on that phrase ☝︎

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-02#1877819 << i saw the film and quite familiar with the 'mad beria' ~stereotype~. simply was not able to find any evidence for it that doesn't genesis-block in hrusch's show trial and Official 'unmasking' . ☝︎

mircea_popescu: i dunno if you've seen p p pasolini's salo, but i always thought cataldi's role ("the bishop") was specifically patterned after beria.

asciilifeform: also describes how the usurpers could not decide who is to actually do the wet work ( per serov, beria was killed several days into captivity, not 6mo when Officially 'sentenced' )

asciilifeform: ( hrusch for instance is known to have pinned a good coupla 10k corpses that he was himself the author of, on beria )

asciilifeform: but per my pov , as 'fan' and chronic eater of just about any period material that can be squeezed from the dried mummies , is that beria was a prime mover of all sortsa http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-01#1877568 . ☝︎

mircea_popescu: stalin certainly was. "designated successor" my foot, if he lived another 18 months they'd have all been decorating pikes, beria first.

asciilifeform: ( and to tie this into the other subthread -- by some accts, beria let it slip that he was in favour of 'transition to market system' of some variant. 2 wks later, nailed , actor played him at show trial in 6mo )

asciilifeform: ( not only su rockets -- but errywhere, incl. usa. beria's broomstick was long enuff to tickle arses across ocean just as readily as locally )

a111: Logged on 2015-02-22 21:47 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: actually, disgraced soviet bureaucrats (usually posthumous - see hruschev's speech re: l. beria) had 'rapacious daily rapist' tags nailed on

a111: Logged on 2015-03-04 01:20 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: beria actually picked up women... << based on the sources, i don't regard it as a solid historical fact

a111: Logged on 2015-10-07 13:51 asciilifeform: this is an old thing. goal-directed work - e.g., 'make atomic bomb for the motherland' - works with a beria holding broomstick up the collective arses of the institute staff.

a111: Logged on 2018-08-22 14:27 asciilifeform: fwiw i read usg indictments as works of fiction, not particularly different from e.g. trial of lavrentiy pavlovich beria, 'british, french, and japanese spy'

a111: Logged on 2018-09-13 22:28 asciilifeform: it's rather like how when they shot lavrentiy beria -- pile the crimes onto 1 d00d, then flush him, and it's as if the enablers 'never happened'

asciilifeform: if asciilifeform could pick b/w working for obummer & co, and beria, would pick the latter any day of week.

asciilifeform: ( successfully conspired with other 3rdraters to kill beria, the designated kronprinz )

asciilifeform: it's rather like how when they shot lavrentiy beria -- pile the crimes onto 1 d00d, then flush him, and it's as if the enablers 'never happened' ☟︎

asciilifeform: fwiw i read usg indictments as works of fiction, not particularly different from e.g. trial of lavrentiy pavlovich beria, 'british, french, and japanese spy' ☟︎

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, i tell you though, the sad situation where all that's left to gather around your piss-soaked body is beria, hruschev, malenkov etcetera...

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: look into the beria trial some time, lol

a111: Logged on 2017-09-30 19:33 mircea_popescu: so after reich and slavski, stalin executed slansky, and malenkov beria to no longer bother him with the brush.

mircea_popescu: so after reich and slavski, stalin executed slansky, and malenkov beria to no longer bother him with the brush. ☟︎

a111: Logged on 2017-04-04 02:19 mircea_popescu: leaving aside that if you got to meet beria it was all fun and games from there on, the "discotheque" was a thing even for plebs.

mircea_popescu: leaving aside that if you got to meet beria it was all fun and games from there on, the "discotheque" was a thing even for plebs. ☟︎

asciilifeform: hey if lavrentiy pavlovich beria does routinely...

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's not the activity ; it's the activiter. you can have great rapist, ie gengis ; you can have soddy alley scum, ie lavernty beria. many polish lenses, for every spinoza there's untold leahs.

asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-12-2015#1351837 << mega-b00k describes a kgb legend: the first man who explained to beria how otp is provably 'perfect'-secure, was allowed to leave lubyanka - but at the door they took his employee pass ☝︎

asciilifeform: this is an old thing. goal-directed work - e.g., 'make atomic bomb for the motherland' - works with a beria holding broomstick up the collective arses of the institute staff. ☟︎

mircea_popescu: and for that matter notice that stalin also didn't move against beria

asciilifeform: why did beria's bullet have to wait for a dead stalin ?

mircea_popescu: got slavski > slanski ; malenko > beria, abakumov, > hruschiov etc. not bad tbh

mircea_popescu: you understand ? beria may rape women off the street.

mircea_popescu: lol. no, stalin at right before he was about to get beria

mircea_popescu: possibly the most impressive success of us diplomacy to date - the recruitment of beria.

mircea_popescu: had beria not been pro-us, but symetrically anti, the fulda gap'd have been taken in a week and well... russia from sea to sea.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: beria actually picked up women... << based on the sources, i don't regard it as a solid historical fact ☟︎

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: they have nothing. this is proof positive that the cia is as worthless as the vassar feminist book club; think about hassling beria in that manner << to be fair, p. was no longer heading anything when he was 'flushed'.

mircea_popescu: and for that matter, beria actually picked up women off the street, raped them for a while and then dropped them off.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: actually, disgraced soviet bureaucrats (usually posthumous - see hruschev's speech re: l. beria) had 'rapacious daily rapist' tags nailed on ☟︎