snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-15 18:43:07 mircea_popescu: but, traditionally, owning real estate is what separates the bourgeoisie from the mob/vagrancie.
lobbes: ^ this is correct. It is a liability right now, not an asset as far as I'm concerned
lobbes: indeed, is a scam. I fell for the 'well, my mortgage will be a fixed cost vs rising rents' thinking, but neglected to factor in cost of maintenance, rising property taxes, whathaveyou
lobbes: i.e. I have a long road ahead of me out of poorandstupid-town
lobbes: oh yeah, my mom used to be a landlord back before I was born. Would tell horror stories of tenants writing curses in literal shit on the walls when she had to evict them for non-payment
lobbes: but I suspect you are correct re: human owners + geographics. Charlotte is a typical "bubble" city; low corp tax rates attract the banking industry, which fuels the need for meatworkers, but apparently NC doesn't produce skilled-enough workers on its own, so for the last few decades has been importing 'em (virtually all the people on my team are not from NC)
lobbes: which attracts the 'non human' rental corps. along with rising rents
lobbes: insanity. "cannot own" in US verily
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: There's also the popular in 401k REITs that turn retirement savings dollars into real estate bubble dollars
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, asciilifeform a [#chan] marker from bot sounds good to me; in #o for now at least I'd rather it cross-echoes indeed but I can see also why this might not be appropriate for #t
ossabot: Logged on 2019-09-14 20:41:10 lobbes: Of course I'm already regretting that resignation thinking I did that with my classic 'jumpy reasoning'; I think what I really needed was clarity, which comes from communication, which has been working pretty well so far.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-15 20:52:11 asciilifeform: will be a gnarly knob, cuz under no circumstances am i running a bot that dun cross-echo in ~my~ castle.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-15 20:24:51 hanbot:
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936285 << more's the point is that your "household" consists of a WoT non-entity (afaik, actually. is it?) that may or may not be just as clueless about saying something here if you get a touch of The Butt. aesthetipolitical bents, righteous as they may be, pale by comparison.
mircea_popescu: it's an ecology problem, very much of the
cycle variety ; an' will have to be addressed, though in this particular case the corner naive gent's painted himself in is SO FAR OUT THERE, and there's SO MUCH GOD DAMNED PAINT surface, it'll take a while to unwind.
snsabot: Logged on 2017-12-13 23:52:25 asciilifeform: also it is not so hot , as a tuner, 'shits where it eats' quite severely
mircea_popescu: (i dun even mean trinque specifically, the naive gent's a universal, anyone who never seriously thought about these things in these forms for these reasons five or ten years ago, meaning practically everyone.)
mircea_popescu: then of course there's the hallucinatoria of the coy reflex, girl who's never taken a stroll nude down the busy street imagines it's gonna be the end of the world!!! much like the guy taking a stumble imagines everyone's watchin' an' judging, AS FUCKING IF they could unglue their eyes off the i[nca[pods long enough to notice their own fucking shoes are on fire.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-15 20:55:59 asciilifeform: ( and mircea_popescu , say if you want yours excluded, or alternatively prefix '[chan] Logged on xxxx-xx-xx.... foo' etc. )
mircea_popescu: "snsabot Logged on 2017-12-13 23:52:25 asciilifeform:" should become "snsabot 2017-12-13 [ossasepia] asciilifeform:" for all reads of a foreign log, and "snsabot 2017-12-13 asciilifeform:" for all reads of this here log.
mircea_popescu: going from a fixed 53 bytes header to either 46 or more generally 34 seems a fabulous gain in any case.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-15 21:05:24 asciilifeform: (i.e. when 'sells', gets 0)
mircea_popescu: no wonder zeks end up crushed under dependopopotami in their private relations -- at least it's consequent, the bitch at home behaves exactly like the home itself, spend decade to get 0.
mircea_popescu: explains a lot, such as the "motorcycle" clubs consisting of fellows who buy motorcycle parts for an alleged motorcycle that has more in common with a tchotchke than an actual conveyance, IN THAT IT DOESN'T FUCKING MOVE
mircea_popescu: useless children spawned by useless women lodged in useless houses wherein a mancave fulla unusable paraphenalia of inutility are uselessly stored... what a fucking life. the only possible progression is towards tranquilizers, and on the basis of the cheapest being weed this theory'd indicate "a weed epidemic".
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-15 21:06:04 lobbes: indeed, is a scam. I fell for the 'well, my mortgage will be a fixed cost vs rising rents' thinking, but neglected to factor in cost of maintenance, rising property taxes, whathaveyou
mircea_popescu: IF the problem is that the currency is shit (which is strictly what "rising rents" means : if rents are rising, THEREFORE the currency is shit. if urine is sweet, THEREFORE diabethes, no iffs or butts about it, these are NOT separable), then owning real estate is a very poor solution : real estate follows the currency secular trend
mircea_popescu: if currency is strong and stays strong, real estate goes up in value, which is how owning land in republican rome or expansive venice paid out.
mircea_popescu: if however the currency flags, real estate forthwith moves into emergency monetization role, meaning you want to short it as part of a triple currency play.
mircea_popescu: (which is why us banks LEND you houses : it's the other part of their international trade where they borrow hard currency.)
mircea_popescu: IF you are a young man, and are producing more than consuming (if not, please
follow the recipe for gender re-assignment, you don't belong here), you should save ~in capital goods~ specifically ~of your trade~.
snsabot: Logged on 2018-01-08 12:21:33 btcvixen: Yes it does, as my government id says "Sex: F"
mircea_popescu: that's what you do with every dime you can save : you buy your own tools! to become journeyman!
mircea_popescu: if you're making a living driving a car, you buy CARS. if you're making a living fixing cars, you buy forklifts and power tools.
mircea_popescu: the only 20something who can reasonably buy real estate is... a pimp.
mircea_popescu: if you're not a fucking pimp, you don't buy real estate in your 20s. and if you are a pimp, you buy in fucking baltimore, you buy in the blighted downtown of detroit or philly or whatever the shit. NOT crap in suburbia ;
mircea_popescu: and in any case you don't buy crap made ~for you~ by people who ~you do not know~.
mircea_popescu: what the fuck, are you retarded ? if people who you don't know are making things for you, the name for the thing they're making is A TRAP
mircea_popescu: either you buy made to order like
my serb friends, or else you buy leftover brownstone nobody else wants, etcetera. what the fuck, this is novel to someone ?! why, because "do we still have to" read 1700s state of the art textbooks on personal conduct ?
snsabot: Logged on 2018-11-25 13:50:17 a111: Logged on 2014-09-10 15:02 mircea_popescu: well yeah. was a bunch o people, they got building permit and proceeded to built like at home. concrete pillars, brick walls etc.
mircea_popescu: if you're a young man, YOU DO NOT BUY ILLIQUID, NON-NEGOTIABLE ANYTHING!!!! i don't mean, with money. i mean with anything. you have enough sense to keep your sexual relationships at will rather than get fucking married, fine, but the same applies throughout.
mircea_popescu: buying "a house" from "the bank" is THE EXACT EQUIVALENT of giving your savings to your dad "to hold on to them for you". what the fuck, are you twelve ?
mircea_popescu: things flow the other way, your aging dad gives you the duchy of cornwall for you to hold on to for him, what the fuck is this ? and if dad ~dun have~ a duchy of cornwall large enough to keep you occupied, ~you leave~. and you spit on his head, too, because HE FAILED in life. because this was his fucking job : by the time the sons he made were old enough to do something useful with histime, he was supposed to have so much
mircea_popescu: fucking land and chattels as to be desperate for loyal hands, and more than happy to "go, take x, hang yourself with it, holy hell finally!"
mircea_popescu: as a young orphan with potential, you keep to negotiable instruments. that's why the young men of florence who did get to be old men and successful enough as to buy up all the young cunts for gold to all the failures' despair went into trade rather than bureaucracy!
mircea_popescu: if whatever the fuck it is "you have" can't be ~sold~, on the ~open market~, YOU ARE NOT INTERESTED IN IT.
mircea_popescu: you will be interested, of course, BUT FIVE DECADES HENCE. when you're old. then the sort of non-negotiable commitment makes sense. not in your fucking 20s, so spare me with all the "jobs" you can not sell (yes, this is what "working remote" IS, SELLING IT!!!), all the "college degrees" worth 0 on auction, and all the etcetera.
mircea_popescu:
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-16#1936660 << this is why, eg, greenwhich village even fucking happened in the 50s : rents were SO LOW a bunch of niggers getting together for an evening could sing themselves into the month's rent. it was CHEAPER to live there than in whatever alabama that spawned them. because back then the currency was strong, because etc.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-16 05:37:45 mircea_popescu: IF the problem is that the currency is shit (which is strictly what "rising rents" means : if rents are rising, THEREFORE the currency is shit. if urine is sweet, THEREFORE diabethes, no iffs or butts about it, these are NOT separable), then owning real estate is a very poor solution : real estate follows the currency secular trend
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-15 21:09:33 asciilifeform: lobbes: this may be a geographic thing, or simply asciilifeform's luck, but when renting 'from human' never 1nce experienced rising cost. they're extremely reluctant to raise it, because 'what happens if this d00d leaves and aint replaced until months later, or is replaced with a normal person who dun maintain w/ own hands' etc
mircea_popescu: not to mention the MOST important element, by far : as a young orphan (and if your dad dun have any duchies for you, you ARE an orphan, whether you admit it or not ; denial won't fix status) you WANT to get in the way of men-who-aren't-as-fucked-in-the-head-and-offensively-useless-and-retarded as that mongrel dog your drunk of a mother fucked to produce you.
mircea_popescu: renting means you rent from some dude who owns, and you're better off with some dude who owns in your life than without. ESPECIALLY because you're an orphan. and you're paying, and paying on time, and doing other things (eg your very own quote, "maintain with own hands"), it is infinitely better for you to have than to not have.
mircea_popescu: the hierarchy of consume-more-than-produce young females is very strictly 1. girls who found themselves a sponsor, who fucks them and pays their rent ABOVE 2. morons living in state-run orphanage. the SAME EXACT thing applies to boys too, just because you pay your own rent doesn't change the disposition in the field, doesn't make up down and down up.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-15 21:11:35 asciilifeform: asciilifeform's prev. landlord did errything short of begging on knees, 'pleez dun go'
mircea_popescu: you'd think that some dude everyone was butthurt about being worth a billion back when bitcoin crossed 1k the first "time could afford to own" ; but that's all a red herring, SPECIFICALLY the
dumb old mula red herring. it's not a matter of affording, it's a matter of not wanting to.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-18 09:59:04 mp_en_viaje: i can almost hear the cageworthy old woman impelling the nonsense, too, "oh, why don't you want to do $random-stupid-shit, ~are you too scared?!?!?!?~".
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-15 21:12:41 asciilifeform: i dunno whether to believe, but he said that even paying on schedule erry single month is unusual nowadays...
mircea_popescu: what the fuck sorta rattle gotta be going on in some dude's brain to ACTUALLY BELIEVE what the fucking bankers are telling them, when engaged in a negotiation for the very thing the bankers make their money from. what, you thought all the advertising exists as a private gift from aliens ?! it's there BECAUSE these idiots rely on breaking down social communication to insert their shit in the gaps, wtf.
mircea_popescu: every zek is shocked to see romanians will liberally ask about income, with no shits give, of people they just met. and "how much was this", and "what did you pay for that", and etcetera.
mircea_popescu: ustard can't ask his fucking wife how much she makes, and this isn't "so that the corporations pay less because employees can't compare notes"
mircea_popescu: same thing "hr policy" does : it prevents the formation of natural fucking hierarchy and independently functioning groups.
diana_coman: mircea_popescu: fwiw I suspect what "gotta be going on" is ~= fear (coming out of being entirely and utterly unprepared to deal with it if "not believing")
mircea_popescu: so that no hussy who utterly deserved it gets raped occasionally (ie, whenever someone can be arsed, which comes to way the fuck less frequently than she'd like), everyone gets raped all the time in all the holes. great fucking deal, what can i tell you.
let them be raped in the workplace, they'll be ok.
mircea_popescu: rape's a lot better for the young woman than socialism for society.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-15 21:13:42 asciilifeform: ( and even that typical tenant nao does things like punch hole in wall w/ fist and then demand that landlord fix for phree )
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-15 21:23:19 asciilifeform: ( and, moar staggeringly, 'clock' on this 'yr+' ~resets~ if the derp scrapes together some pennies and pays ~1 month~ )
mircea_popescu: kinda how this worked throughout history, actually, and very much specifically because "have rights". hence the manor system.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-15 21:24:42 asciilifeform: the takehome moral from this, is that if someone expects to make serious profit by renting out residential sqmetrage in usa -- think again.
diana_coman: asciilifeform: is there a link to "first day of log" for a chan? I don't know if I just can't see it or there just isn't one.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-16 05:26:48 mircea_popescu: "snsabot Logged on 2017-12-13 23:52:25 asciilifeform:" should become "snsabot 2017-12-13 [ossasepia] asciilifeform:" for all reads of a foreign log, and "snsabot 2017-12-13 asciilifeform:" for all reads of this here log.
ericbot: Logged on 2019-09-16 09:13:02 mircea_popescu: there's more, and besideswhich a lot more to all of these foregoing parts, but holy hell... seriously,
nobody ever thinks of things or what is the problem here !?
lobbes: Thank you (and I mean that in earnest)
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-16 05:30:18 mircea_popescu: no wonder zeks end up crushed under dependopopotami in their private relations -- at least it's consequent, the bitch at home behaves exactly like the home itself, spend decade to get 0.
diana_coman: asciilifeform, lobbes ugh, logger actually strips ":" away from payload, did you notice this? as in: this makes to the db "as in this makes it to the db"
diana_coman: uhm, apparently not? so it's just a historical thing, ugh
diana_coman: maybe it's the converter's problem actually, I'll have to investigate it.
diana_coman: yes; I was reading #o logs from some time back and noticed missing : ; checked in the db and they were missing there too although present in local irssi log.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in romanians-are-retarded lulz, “Tânăr frumos, curat, caut două fete pentru a le găzdui, ofer cazare gratis în apartament de 55 de metri pătraţi. Ofer poze în privat, cer igienă maximă şi discreţie pe măsură… Mai multe detalii, la telefon sau în privat. Generozitatea mă caracterizeaza din toate punctele de vedere, de preferat studente sau doamne până în 35 de ani, fără obligaţii”
mircea_popescu: dude's looking to start a castle of an ad-hoc republic of his own, in ~600 sq ft in the ghetto that's romania.
mircea_popescu: via hardcopy want ads, like it's charlie manson days, no less.
mircea_popescu: AND, amusingly, "generous in ALL SENSES OF THE WORD!!!"
diana_coman: mircea_popescu: you know, I had read precisely that sort of ads ad nauseam quite some year ago in local newspapers/whatevers in ploiesti/bucharest
mircea_popescu: truth be told, besides the wholesale trade in meats, there's ~o utility remaining to the rotards.
diana_coman: it's one of those things where I can't figure out if they each "thought" the same nonsensical way to end up with the same shit or they just copied it
mircea_popescu: "intel angajeaza" the 1-2% or so of recyclable bois, and otherwise babyolon angajeaza the 4-6% of fuckable girlies.
mircea_popescu: whole country could just be deported to the lime pits tomorrow to no conceivable detriment.
mircea_popescu: who's gonna miss a slightly geographically misplaced clone of ukraina, and why would they !?
mircea_popescu: restless he rolls from whore to whore, a merry monarch, scandalous and poor ; a very pretty, witty king whose word no man relies on, he never said a foolish thing nor ever did a wise one
ossabot: Logged on 2019-09-16 13:20:43 asciilifeform: diana_coman: when you fix your copy, i'ma reimport, ping me
diana_coman: in the process I updated the awk importer too but I don't even know if it's any use given that I'm not 100% sure what is "irssi standard format" really
diana_coman: tbh that was my initial reluctance with making converter a .vpatch to start with; maybe it makes sense to still make it a .vpatch but with clear example of format since just saying "irssi" might not be quite enough.
mircea_popescu: anyone remember this ancient cartoon on trilema, from the early days of "bitcoin bankers", of the substance of some dude holding up some pencildick at an atm, and the pencildick ranting all the while about interest rates and loans /
lobbes recalls comic but not the specific trilema
mircea_popescu: an; that australian fuckwit stockbroker who was defrauding dudes online and was then VERY SURPRISED when i had him fired / banned from trading wtf his name was
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> an; that australian fuckwit stockbroker who was defrauding dudes online and was then VERY SURPRISED when i had him fired / banned from trading wtf his name was << Harnett and you did that in 2012
BingoBoingo: Harnett was still in my tentative reading from outside period
lobbes:
http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-09-16#1936774 << fwiw, during my testing of the irssi converter I noticed my irssi had very different formatting than the example you provided (It padded the < nicks > for e.g., and formatted the timestamps slightly different). Seems to be format variability between instances indeed
ericbot: Logged on 2019-09-16 20:46:42 diana_coman: tbh that was my initial reluctance with making converter a .vpatch to start with; maybe it makes sense to still make it a .vpatch but with clear example of format since just saying "irssi" might not be quite enough.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-10 23:54:10 lobbes: will probably ammend the READMEs of all converters once this testing phase is over. For better clarity on expected irssi/znc log formats
lobbes: I guess what I'm asking is should we bother patching for all permutations of possible formats, or just stick with diana_coman's original and state what it expects. To my limited eye I'd say the latter is the saner approach
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-16 17:30:20 diana_coman: tbh that was my initial reluctance with making converter a .vpatch to start with; maybe it makes sense to still make it a .vpatch but with clear example of format since just saying "irssi" might not be quite enough.
hanbot: yo trinque, deedbot doesn't like hanbot-abroad's attempts to register with a pubkey pasted to paste.deedbot.org (Import failed), ideas?
lobbes coincidentally saw that key a few hours ago while grabbing your main key for a mp-wp install for testing
hanbot: lol ty. what a fun head i've got.
hanbot: actually nah, that's hanbot-abroad. i'm trying to register hanbot_abroad, possibly deedbot doesn't like the similarity.