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mircea_popescu: !!rate esthlos -1 more of dat speshul manalone sauce.
deedbot: lobbes unrated esthlos.
deedbot: diana_coman updated rating of esthlos from 2 to 1 << he could have been someone
diana_coman: asciilifeform: well, for one thing I don't think it's an accurate description of the situation in that...who produced phf, esthlos, framedragger? re esthlos at least I can even say that no, he precisely dropped out of ..production as you put it.
asciilifeform: trinque: and also ftr i have nfi where Framedragger, esthlos, went.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-09-04 13:25:57 mircea_popescu: spyked, wow look at that. okay, so btcalpha, anco.is, esthlos.com can all come off.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-05 14:41:05 shinohai: Anyway, this morning's experiments show that esthlos V won't press trb correctly. Barfs on asciilifeform's numbered bitcoin vpatches, eg:
asciilifeform: trinque: indeed a shame that he left. esthlos was a+++ fella while alive.
trinque: in other CLisms, esthlos' vtron works great. it's a shame he left.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-09-04 13:25:57 mircea_popescu: spyked, wow look at that. okay, so btcalpha, anco.is, esthlos.com can all come off.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-09-04 14:13:00 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: did anyone ever find out where esthlos went ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: did anyone ever find out where esthlos went ?
mircea_popescu: spyked, wow look at that. okay, so btcalpha, anco.is, esthlos.com can all come off.
asciilifeform: davout went awol 2+ y ago iirc. (though his site, like e.g that of esthlos , still up )
asciilifeform: there is even a (sad, disused, esthlos went to bottom of sea) but last i saw -- working -- cl vtron
billymg: yep yep, esthlos' guide explicitly mentions including mysql, apache2 in the use flags for php (my post mentioned neither as it somewhat relied on esthlos' as the base)
asciilifeform: pretty sad, imho : esthlos wrote a++ log summaries, a working vtron, possibly other items i cant recall
a111: 2018-10-23 <esthlos> http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-19#1864316 << apologies alf, I'm running behind! trying to gather time to get caught up in the next week or two
asciilifeform: !#seen esthlos
a111: 509 results for "esthlos", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=esthlos
asciilifeform: !#s esthlos
mircea_popescu: esthlos had a pretty cool vtron if i recall.
asciilifeform: it's a shame, imho; i quite liked http://summaries.logs.esthlos.com
a111: 2017-12-16 <esthlos> hello >> http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-16#1752137
BingoBoingo: !#born esthlos
a111: 2018-10-23 <esthlos> http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-19#1864316 << apologies alf, I'm running behind! trying to gather time to get caught up in the next week or two
asciilifeform: !#seen esthlos
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no idea re esthlos . maths dude who did summaries, then fell behind, then caught on and wanted to put more effort into it, then fell behind again. maybe he re-emerges.
a111: 2018-10-23 <esthlos> http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-19#1864316 << apologies alf, I'm running behind! trying to gather time to get caught up in the next week or two
asciilifeform: !#seen esthlos
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: any idea what happened to esthlos ?
diana_coman: uhm, esthlos's blog at blog.esthlos.com gives for me "error establishing a database connection"?? yo, esthlos, what are you doing those days?
asciilifeform: afaik there are currently 3 working ( i.e. with keccak format ) vtrons , v.py ( as patched by phf ) , v.pl ( patched by diana_coman ) and esthlos
spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-03#1877949 <-- ftr, v.py was the first vtron that I read, and I think it's a great didactic implem (though nowadays esthlos v is imho a good competitor in that field) ☝︎
asciilifeform: http://summaries.logs.esthlos.com << last update : nov. 2. which is a shame, imho these were a++ summaries
a111: 2018-10-23 <esthlos> http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-19#1864316 << apologies alf, I'm running behind! trying to gather time to get caught up in the next week or two
asciilifeform: !#seen esthlos
a111: Logged on 2018-11-13 14:44 asciilifeform: possible exception is esthlos, but i have not tested his item yet
asciilifeform: possible exception is esthlos, but i have not tested his item yet ☟︎
lobbes btw is finding esthlos' summaries to be very helpful in finding threads at times
asciilifeform was reading recent http://summaries.logs.esthlos.com , and ran into the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-27#1866726 item; curious, did anybody answer these ? ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-10-19 21:27 asciilifeform: whatever happend to http://summaries.logs.esthlos.com btw
billymg: many thanks to esthlos, hanbot, BingoBoingo, phf for helpful posts
asciilifeform: whatever happend to http://summaries.logs.esthlos.com btw ☟︎
deedbot: diana_coman updated rating of esthlos from 1 to 2 << writes at http://blog.esthlos.com/
asciilifeform: btw phf , i'm starting to think that esthlos-vtron could be turned into a proper replacement for asdf,quicklisp,all the heathen rubbish packagerisms
deedbot: http://blog.esthlos.com/esthlos-v-release-with-working-keccak/ << esthlos - esthlos-v: Release with Working Keccak
billymg: i was not, i was mostly going off http://blog.esthlos.com/mp-wp-setup/
trinque: btw no insult meant to esthlos; we'll get an ebuild in there for his vtron as well, but he lacks a differ, and thus it's not a full v
a111: Logged on 2018-10-11 00:54 asciilifeform: billymg: various notes re uses for rk , for your enjoyment -- http://thewhet.net/2018/08/hanbots-znc-bouncer-notes/ , http://blog.lobbesblog.com/2018/06/mein-kompendium-mp-wp/ , http://blog.esthlos.com/mp-wp-setup/
asciilifeform: billymg: various notes re uses for rk , for your enjoyment -- http://thewhet.net/2018/08/hanbots-znc-bouncer-notes/ , http://blog.lobbesblog.com/2018/06/mein-kompendium-mp-wp/ , http://blog.esthlos.com/mp-wp-setup/ ☟︎
a111: Logged on 2018-10-01 11:51 esthlos: trinque: asdf is used to join the pieces together (keccak, gpg, etc.) for use by the vtron proper. I tried to build the vtron modularly, and my understanding is that asdf is the standard for handling modules in common lisp. is there a better way to do package management in cl?
mircea_popescu: esthlos phf sweet!
trinque: esthlos: where's asdf come in?
trinque: one thing that looks interesting externally is tbh throwing first doing something to actively seek out non-knuckleheads (yo esthlos, what do you do for a living again?) and see if a quarter or two of float can get folks building things that put hard pressure on trb thriving.
a111: Logged on 2018-09-27 17:49 asciilifeform: esthlos's thing calls to gnupatch ?! ugh
a111: Logged on 2018-09-29 23:29 trinque: which incidentally is a great segue to hey esthlos, when am I getting such a thing with which to cuntoo?
trinque: which incidentally is a great segue to hey esthlos, when am I getting such a thing with which to cuntoo? ☟︎
asciilifeform: gotta admit i like esthlos's summary page
mircea_popescu: http://summaries.logs.esthlos.com/#2018-09-22_1 << a denier of many plurious things lol
a111: Logged on 2018-09-27 17:49 asciilifeform: esthlos's thing calls to gnupatch ?! ugh
asciilifeform: and when esthlos releases, will try his.
a111: Logged on 2018-09-27 15:36 phf: asciilifeform: but if you want a full "v replacement and i don't want to think about none of that" then just use esthlos's item. i believe he has a working keccak already
asciilifeform: esthlos's thing calls to gnupatch ?! ugh ☟︎☟︎
phf: re esthlos's work i think it's a shame that he chose to reimplement own keccak, but is still calling out to gnu patch. he could just focus on graph resolution/signature/wot checking, and offload the validation on vpatch: construct the press list, feed the patches in-order to vpatch, if vpatch succeeds then you know _for certain_ that the sequence of patches is valid, hashes and all
phf: trinque: it hasn't been, and i'm doing omission by not mentioning that vtools had a later mandate for graph resolution. meanwhile esthlos v was supposed to supposed to fix the issue, i suspect that different v's will eventually catch up.
asciilifeform: afaik nobody's used esthlos's item in battlefield yet, it'll need good bit of test.
a111: Logged on 2018-09-27 13:50 diana_coman: asciilifeform, np; re vtron yes, currently it is only vdiff and vpatch functionality; I use old v to see the flow (since it checks the seals but doesn't care about the hashes until press time) and then the vpatch to actually press; looking forward to esthlos' vtron
phf: asciilifeform: but if you want a full "v replacement and i don't want to think about none of that" then just use esthlos's item. i believe he has a working keccak already ☟︎
asciilifeform: if phf's item came with a standalone keccak hasher , would then be quite simple to retool e.g. mod6's vtron, to follow the new format. but as it is loox like i'ma have to wait for esthlos , to get full working replacement for old vtrons
a111: Logged on 2018-09-27 02:27 esthlos: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-27#1854912 << I plan to integrate Keccak into the thing this weekend. At that point it should be fully operational.
diana_coman: I kept waiting on phf and esthlos since they were working on it as far as I could tell; and http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-27#1854921 ☝︎
asciilifeform: i'ma try esthlos's item as soon as it is rolled out.
a111: Logged on 2018-09-27 13:50 diana_coman: asciilifeform, np; re vtron yes, currently it is only vdiff and vpatch functionality; I use old v to see the flow (since it checks the seals but doesn't care about the hashes until press time) and then the vpatch to actually press; looking forward to esthlos' vtron
diana_coman: asciilifeform, np; re vtron yes, currently it is only vdiff and vpatch functionality; I use old v to see the flow (since it checks the seals but doesn't care about the hashes until press time) and then the vpatch to actually press; looking forward to esthlos' vtron ☟︎☟︎
a111: Logged on 2018-09-27 02:27 esthlos: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-27#1854912 << I plan to integrate Keccak into the thing this weekend. At that point it should be fully operational.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I used the esthlos thing.
mod6: im not positive, although, I think another troublesome one was hanbot's wp-mp, which BingoBoingo used esthlos' to press. i think.
mod6: mine does not do the graph-resolution as proposed by phf & esthlos.
phf: i just got aarch gnat operational yesterday, so i'll republish it as a single tree anyway, but as of right now i think only esthlos's v does the fancy graph resolution
a111: Logged on 2018-09-17 09:45 diana_coman: lobbes, esthlos, hanbot, ave1 - do you have something against using categories on your blogs? I find well-defined categories to be really helpful in finding stuff but on your blogs everything is in the "Uncategorized" category
diana_coman: lobbes, esthlos, hanbot, ave1 - do you have something against using categories on your blogs? I find well-defined categories to be really helpful in finding stuff but on your blogs everything is in the "Uncategorized" category ☟︎
mircea_popescu: though in fairness esthlos impl is more didactic than optimized.
a111: Logged on 2018-09-15 01:48 mircea_popescu: esthlos "Though I wouldn't try the thing on files larger than a megabyte at the moment." whynot ?
mircea_popescu: esthlos "Though I wouldn't try the thing on files larger than a megabyte at the moment." whynot ? ☟︎
deedbot: http://blog.esthlos.com/esthlos-v-part-2-cl-keccak/ << esthlos - esthlos-v Part 2: cl-keccak
a111: Logged on 2018-09-10 14:16 asciilifeform: esthlos: http://summaries.logs.esthlos.com/#2018-09-08_4 << was re ww1, not 2
asciilifeform: esthlos: http://summaries.logs.esthlos.com/#2018-09-08_4 << was re ww1, not 2 ☟︎
lobbesbot: esthlos: Sent 2 weeks, 5 days, 21 hours, and 51 minutes ago: <asciilifeform> http://summaries.logs.esthlos.com/#2018-08-17_1 << again it's 'phuctor' , not 'phunctor'
mircea_popescu: esthlos : http://summaries.logs.esthlos.com/#2018-09-01_2 << "the"
BingoBoingo: Apologies for the delay, I gave esthlos Vs some test drives
BingoBoingo: Aite, I have mp-wp unpacked, wp-config populated, what's the next step on mp-wp? I am not seeing it in any of the guides http://blog.lobbesblog.com/2018/06/mein-kompendium-mp-wp/ http://blog.esthlos.com/mp-wp-setup/
deedbot: http://blog.esthlos.com/esthlos-v-redux/ << esthlos - esthlos-v redux
mircea_popescu: http://summaries.logs.esthlos.com/#2018-08-12 << fucking lulzy
deedbot: 2018/08/08 01:39:01 <esthlos> (comms will still be shakey for a few days)
BingoBoingo: !!seen esthlos
mircea_popescu: (and, for the esthlos of the present and they of the future, the "lie-tician" was a reference to lie groups, which is a sort of we-wanna-galois-too but with more symmetry, less comprehensibility and possibly much powerful-er overall. i half-expected he's going to start throwing manifolds at me or who knows what nonsense, take me out of commission for the remainder of the season.)
mircea_popescu: must make the work of esthlos that much easier.
a111: Logged on 2018-08-21 13:06 asciilifeform: !Q later tell esthlos http://summaries.logs.esthlos.com/#2018-08-17_1 << again it's 'phuctor' , not 'phunctor'
asciilifeform: !Q later tell esthlos http://summaries.logs.esthlos.com/#2018-08-17_1 << again it's 'phuctor' , not 'phunctor' ☟︎