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mircea_popescu: esthlos consciousness can't exist "in" a computer.
asciilifeform: esthlos: i do not know whether egan knows this, but buncha doped californirasts took his 'software souls' thing and turned it into a religion, of sorts
asciilifeform: esthlos: d00d was sorta obsessed with this notion. he had another, earlier short story where mob boss is walking a schmuck into the forest to be shot, and tells him this yarn, and offers him a magic pill that will make it sink into his head, and ends up taking it himself, and eating own pistol
mircea_popescu: esthlos i dunno what it means tho. how do you mean, consciousness jumping ?
mircea_popescu: esthlos Mocky either of you ever read the luminous rewrite ?
asciilifeform: esthlos: iirc it was among his last readable items
asciilifeform: esthlos: sure
asciilifeform: esthlos: fwiw i read it, pretty lulzy 'magic sword' trope.
mircea_popescu: esthlos ruling the world is not a solitary endeavour.
phf: esthlos: i don't think that's the case, squeak was his main apple project, but even going before than dynabook was already in the works at parc
phf: mircea_popescu: i don't know if there's a definition, "idea" would've been a better term. in any case i've never heard anything concrete, except for the papert/piaget/montessori like esthlos said statements.
phf: esthlos: that was never the case (though it certainly looked that way didn't it), the golden age of vlsi happened because of a darpa grant, essentially "give us your designs, we'll fab it for you free of charge"
asciilifeform: esthlos: i visited my local one, it is of that type.
asciilifeform: esthlos: they only ever built it in the '1 chip at a time with slave labour and oh most of'em dun actually work' sense.
asciilifeform: esthlos: one of the yet-uncured ills is that you cannot actually pay to have a 1980s cpu made, at the current houses, all they offer is 'download this winblowz crapola and use our 60nm standard cells and oh here sign nda for whole thing'
ben_vulpes: esthlos: ah, once a classy joint i hear. since then, well, epicenter of "i don't date nazis" nonsense
asciilifeform: esthlos: i recommend to read whole set of search output earlier, as part of your log eating , there was even an instance where asciilifeform went and got actual quotes from small fab houses
ben_vulpes: esthlos: noshit? which school?
asciilifeform: esthlos: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-22#1455187 << e.g. fab thread. ☝︎
asciilifeform: esthlos: the saving grace is that, outside of several very particular 'arms race' applications (e.g. miner) there is no actual reason to build the low-nm stuff
asciilifeform: esthlos: there were several old threads where the subject of 'what's it cost to bake cpu' is reviewed.
asciilifeform: esthlos: the one piece of iron which was catastrophically absent was rng, and this was fixed
mircea_popescu: esthlos baking hardware is a ways off.
asciilifeform: esthlos: current-day tmsr mostly runs on vintage iron.
mircea_popescu: esthlos yeah, by now there's a very large userbase for emacs established.
a111: Logged on 2018-06-19 17:13 mircea_popescu: what's actually the usercount ? spyked ? esthlos ? ave1 ? jurov ?
mircea_popescu: what's actually the usercount ? spyked ? esthlos ? ave1 ? jurov ? ☟︎☟︎
asciilifeform: esthlos: 'forced trust' is a contradiction . ( but iirc mircea_popescu already described why )
asciilifeform: currently we have mod6 , danielpbarron , trinque , BingoBoingo , diana_coman , esthlos .
asciilifeform: esthlos: thank you for posting your tests, i have added your page to the FG tester links.
mircea_popescu: esthlos the atempt to weave practical thought and ideology isn't even fruitless ; i believe the symmetry described is truthful and informative.
deedbot: http://blog.esthlos.com/fuckgoats-some-thoughts-and-minimal-tests/ << esthlos - FUCKGOATS: Some Thoughts and Minimal Tests
a111: 2017-12-16 <esthlos> hello
asciilifeform: !#born esthlos
trinque: take the example of esthlos recently, dood was being kinda hard to read, uncommunicative. I jabbed directly at forehead on that matter, and lovely vtron pops out the other side
asciilifeform: see why not to link to pedowikia, esthlos ?
asciilifeform: esthlos: theoretically, under microscope
asciilifeform: esthlos: there ain't, and likely won't be
asciilifeform: esthlos: i have. it is for dedicated aficionados strictly ( uses deeply archaic notation, and generally concerned with deeply 'pre-modern' lisps )
asciilifeform: esthlos: in re the b00kz -- i have okasaki, and must note, he is a mathematically interesting read, but 100% useless in actual practice, unless you use 'lazy-evaluated' prog langs
asciilifeform: esthlos: if you must -- link to archived copies, which at least won't change from under you.
asciilifeform: esthlos: i recommend fewer pediwikia links. ( granted i suffered from same habit in early loper-os articles. but cured nao. )
mircea_popescu: esthlos, actually, do you want comments there ? or here ?
deedbot: http://blog.esthlos.com/towards-a-computer-science-education/ << esthlos - Towards a Computer Science Education
mircea_popescu: esthlos, there's some discussion, after which i pick something and start asking people nicely / kicking them in the head about it.
trinque: esthlos: ^ gns updated
mircea_popescu: esthlos, every link that goes in chan is also found at https://archive.is/http://trinque.org/2018/06/02/v-manifest-specification/
ben_vulpes: works here, esthlos
mod6: nice esthlos
trinque: whole process of talking with esthlos on the vtron project has been a pleasure.
mircea_popescu: esthlos, and i like how you ask questions, too.
trinque: esthlos: http://barksinthewind.com/2018/vtools-keccak-regrind/ << see here
mircea_popescu: esthlos, yes.
esthlos: hey guys, should I have included a manifest file in my genesis? see http://blog.esthlos.com/esthlos-v-genesis-or-who-presses-the-pressor/comment-page-1/#comment-17
a111: Logged on 2018-05-31 03:22 esthlos: might as well ask: do you have a copy of naggum's emacs?
trinque: esthlos here just cranked out a mighty fine vtron without a fancy hat
asciilifeform: esthlos: np
asciilifeform: esthlos: i do not have a copy of naggum's anything, aside from a few usenet posts
asciilifeform: esthlos: re: .ratpoisonrc : it is different on diff boxen, because screen res. here's http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/LmIrz/?raw=true the one from the box i happen to be sitting at just now.
asciilifeform: esthlos: not only will share, but it'll come standard on those c101pa boxen.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-30 12:10 diana_coman: esthlos, "is expected to read and understood before use" -> to read and understand the code?
diana_coman: esthlos, "is expected to read and understood before use" -> to read and understand the code? ☟︎
trinque: esthlos: well done indeed!
deedbot: http://blog.esthlos.com/esthlos-v-genesis-or-who-presses-the-pressor/ << esthlos - esthlos-V Genesis, Or: Who Presses the Pressor?
lobbes: esthlos: ty. Also, I'm assuming this was on an amd64 and not an arm64 box?
ben_vulpes: esthlos: what'd you do for theming? i just took a look at "toolbox" at BingoBoingo's request, have you ever touched that?
a111: Logged on 2018-05-29 05:56 lobbes: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-15#1799701 << esthlos, how'd you resolve this? I'm having the same issue with mp-wp saying php is missing the mysql extension, despite having the mysql USE flag set when I emerged php5.6. Full details of my issue here: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/zNr0A/?raw=true
esthlos: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-29#1819437 << I documented most of what worked for me at http://blog.esthlos.com/mp-wp-setup/ , and my portage settings are http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/CY9Vy/?raw=true ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-05-27 18:12 douchebag: esthlos: what do you need pentested?
a111: Logged on 2018-04-15 22:31 esthlos: there's not even a mysql use flag, just mysqli and PDO
lobbes: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-15#1799701 << esthlos, how'd you resolve this? I'm having the same issue with mp-wp saying php is missing the mysql extension, despite having the mysql USE flag set when I emerged php5.6. Full details of my issue here: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/zNr0A/?raw=true ☝︎☟︎
a111: Logged on 2018-05-27 03:12 trinque: esthlos: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/QjAE4/?raw=true << here's a fixed make-temp-dir
phf: (ccl:with-cstrs ((x "/tmp/fooXXXXXX")) (#_mkdtemp x)) should just work. i'm not sure why esthlos has a nesting there
douchebag: esthlos: what do you need pentested? ☟︎
a111: Logged on 2018-05-27 01:50 esthlos: now to find a deutsche Frau in pantsuit central
trinque: esthlos: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/odjHx/?raw=true << fixed run-subprocess for ccl. external-process-status return is a "values"
trinque: esthlos: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/QjAE4/?raw=true << here's a fixed make-temp-dir ☟︎
trinque: esthlos: I wager neither of us knows how to use that ffi macro correctly. doing some reading.
trinque: esthlos: yep, I just got to the keyboard. iirc there was something wrong with ccl in regards to keychain path?
trinque: esthlos: just built it, looks like it's trying to create temp keychains in root
a111: Logged on 2018-05-23 02:43 esthlos: btw trinque, have made most of changes to vtron, just have to add mkstemp for ccl (which I know thanks to phf is #_mkstemp)
a111: Logged on 2018-05-23 04:26 esthlos: trinque: I'm a geometer, always searching for higher symmetries, unifying disjoint worldviews
asciilifeform: nighty esthlos
trinque: esthlos: cya!
trinque: esthlos: doesn't seem to me that the compartmentalization is anything other than a skill. only why be sad about it
trinque: esthlos: I was looking for the thread where mircea_popescu mentions minds leaning schizoid or paranoid
trinque: esthlos: what do you mean by fragment?
mircea_popescu: esthlos, i don't know!
a111: Logged on 2018-05-23 02:48 esthlos: you shoud assume you're wrong first
douchebag: esthlos: Well, generally speaking I don't assume I'm right or wrong without some sort of evidence.
deedbot: esthlos rated Mocky 2 << delicious post on Ada
mircea_popescu: esthlos, it fits directly, "i have a small amt of information of relatively low confidence re this guy (1) and it is negative (-)".
esthlos: now look, esthlos is not all that much better in some ways, but the attitute you're expressing is exactly what I'm trying to fight off
a111: Logged on 2018-05-23 00:37 douchebag: ben_vulpes, esthlos, and danielpbarron - is there anything I can do to to repair my reputation? Let me know, and get back to me.
douchebag: ben_vulpes, esthlos, and danielpbarron - is there anything I can do to to repair my reputation? Let me know, and get back to me. ☟︎
a111: Logged on 2018-05-21 16:38 esthlos: but under current behaivor, program won't clean up tempdir when it eggogs
asciilifeform: esthlos: (gensym)
a111: Logged on 2018-05-20 18:13 esthlos: to butt in: should only patches with good seals show in the flow?
a111: Logged on 2018-05-20 16:08 esthlos: now for your comments: getting rid of the defpackage was a bad oversight, no real reason. My guess why gpg is failing is because I'm using 2.2.4 while I think most of you guys use 1.x . Moving to 1.x is on my backlog, but it was deprioritized becasue I didn't want to spend the time converting my keys. Another oversight, I suppose
a111: Logged on 2018-05-20 16:03 esthlos: if I need to be able to respond within a day to work with you guys, I will do my best to change things around