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snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-11 09:52:19 diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-11#1935464 - hm, this sounds to me like the fundamental difference causes/purposes all over again; you are looking at what is needed (work done and done well!) and that's your start, so you build backwards, ending up with basically "too needed to fail" sort of thing.
diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-11#1935464 - hm, this sounds to me like the fundamental difference causes/purposes all over again; you are looking at what is needed (work done and done well!) and that's your start, so you build backwards, ending up with basically "too needed to fail" sort of thing.
a111: Logged on 2019-02-12 15:35 mircea_popescu: the only way to have sane republic is precisely the http://trilema.com/2015/causes-and-purposes/ which specifically here means, NO CALLS BACK UP THE TREE.
mircea_popescu: the only way to have sane republic is precisely the http://trilema.com/2015/causes-and-purposes/ which specifically here means, NO CALLS BACK UP THE TREE. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: because we're still causes not purposes and all that. who the fuck gives a rat's ass about "what will be".
asciilifeform: ( and will add, it is ordinarily trivial to distinguish folx who theorem 'from causes' from the ones who 'for purposes' i.e. 'maybe someone throws penny into hat' )
lobbes: yeah, that makes sense. Ol' causes and purposes. The only cause I can see right now for separate bot is if wanting to keep it on separate box
mircea_popescu: and there's a healthy helping of http://trilema.com/2015/causes-and-purposes/ in all of this : if your labels are ex-post-facto, you can't futurize on their basis lest you end up like the "global warming" muppets, "projecting" on "data" abvout the past that was extrapolated from the present.
diana_coman: douchebag, learning something is never a waste of time; and learning what you "are not good at" is quite doubly NOT a waste of time; "outcome" as you currently define it doesn't enter into it at all; and for that matter: http://trilema.com/2015/causes-and-purposes/
a111: 26 results for "causes and purposes", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=causes%20and%20purposes
mircea_popescu: !#s causes and purposes
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: edges into a 'causes and purposes' discussion, dunnit. even if trilema doesn't possibly use any such thing, conceivably it is still the Right Thing
a111: Logged on 2018-01-23 17:29 spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-23#1774654 <-- from my experience, learning for a purpose can lead to a personal place of misery. consider http://trilema.com/2015/causes-and-purposes/ ; if anything, rather study computing *because* people who know computer systems are needed today (hard to believe they won't be needed tomorrow either) than for any imagined fame and glory. the romantic image of pentester belongs only to "hacker" movies
spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-23#1774654 <-- from my experience, learning for a purpose can lead to a personal place of misery. consider http://trilema.com/2015/causes-and-purposes/ ; if anything, rather study computing *because* people who know computer systems are needed today (hard to believe they won't be needed tomorrow either) than for any imagined fame and glory. the romantic image of pentester belongs only to "hacker" movies ☝︎☟︎
asciilifeform: item ain't about socialist fungus robbing mircea_popescu's gold to pay iq80 scum to breed. item is about a man of science who 'acted from causes, not purposes' and did not think 'hey i can't monetize 'principia', i'd better not newtonate'
phf: i don't think so, this is more like figuring out that something's broken in a car by the sounds that the engine is making. doesn't mean that the car's not working anymore. it seems reasonable though that causes and purposes would be the response, since that kind of eliadism is a natural counterpoint to above... that's just my impressions though
trinque: indeed. go read the "causes and purposes" thing.
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/causes-and-purposes/ << there.
BingoBoingo: In the school of Causes and Purposes Hegel is the progenitor of evil, but not cool like a devil or anything. More of a lame, bitter clerk who can't walk good.
mircea_popescu: anyway. fellow should read the above linked item and the discussion of causes and purposes, and try again.
a111: Logged on 2017-07-06 15:08 mircea_popescu: "here's what happened, and here's our story of a string of causes which we call purposes"
mircea_popescu: "here's what happened, and here's our story of a string of causes which we call purposes" ☟︎
asciilifeform: 17:26 <+ben_vulpes> tangentially relatedly, i've been trying to reconcile "designing a fork to heal the breach between miners and nodes" with "proceed from causes not towards purposes" << this is not a mega-conundrum.
ben_vulpes: tangentially relatedly, i've been trying to reconcile "designing a fork to heal the breach between miners and nodes" with "proceed from causes not towards purposes"
assbot: Logged on 31-01-2016 07:36:07; ben_vulpes: this is probably a purposes and causes thing, huh. avoid working towards the purpose of usable software for other people, and proceed from the cause of "hell is other people's code"...
ben_vulpes: this is probably a purposes and causes thing, huh. avoid working towards the purpose of usable software for other people, and proceed from the cause of "hell is other people's code"... ☟︎
renart: so i say that he's working towards purposes and not from causes...
trinque chuckles at liquidassets linking causes-and-purposes and then saying "to what end"
liquidassets: renart trilema.com/causes-and-purposes
gribble: Racists and the racist idea on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/2015/racists-and-the-racist-idea/>; Look what the spam dragged in! on Trilema - A blog by Mircea ...: <http://trilema.com/2015/look-what-the-spam-dragged-in/>; Causes and purposes on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/2015/causes-and-purposes/>
mircea_popescu: another very important chunk of the story is the fallout from the "causes not purposes" philosophy. all b-a software exists because, not for, and this is HOW we end up with things like "well we now have this v-jewel, what's it for ?"
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/causes-and-purposes/#comment-114187 << which reminds me, davout do you know who the most famous guy by that name was ?
mircea_popescu: <a href="http://trilema.com/2015/causes-and-purposes/#selection-109.0-109.105"><img src="http://trilema.com/banners/trilema-purpose.png"></a>
mircea_popescu: trinque comes down exactly to the ancient causes and purposes distinction. if people find a way to fly, nobody "deems gravity broken" or hoilds talks on how to patch it "because this wasn't the intended result"
assbot: Causes and purposes pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1CbBiC4 )
mircea_popescu links http://trilema.com/2015/causes-and-purposes/ here, and then proceeds to quote from http://trilema.com/2014/how-to-deal-with-pseudoscience/
scoopbot: New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/causes-and-purposes/