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decimation: well, you certainly cannot make usg your enemy either
decimation: well, there's the issue of the usg taking 96% of your assets at a point of their choosing
mircea_popescu: at least from the supposedly secret usg employment rolls i've seen to date.
asciilifeform: ;;rate ninjashogun -1 nice try, usg - http://www.loper-os.org/pub/ninjashogun.txt
mircea_popescu: usg will just redefine "cellphones" as laptops or w/e
mircea_popescu: and so in this sense, it's not that bitcoin isn't insured in that way. it's moreover that bank deposits etc aren't, and the continuance of the fraudulent pretense to the contrary promulgated by various usg agencies among which the sec above strictly depends on it not being needed.
decimation: why would you want to live outside the benevolent "protection" of USG?
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: Haha. Sorta? Well I guess Mike Caldwell came in here and it was a discussion about the USG.
asciilifeform: all of this took place in the long-gone era when usg insisted on full blueprints, chip masks (!) etc. to ensure longevity of a complete design
asciilifeform: mike_c: usg sent several $b in actual benjamins to iraq. i thought this was common knowledge.
mike_c: decimation:if you total the amount of money spent on microsoft over the years, USG could have built its own secure OS and secure hardware to run it on << on the other hand, they couldn't even build a fucking website with hundreds of millions of dollars.
asciilifeform: usg concept of seekoority -> controlled porosity.
asciilifeform: first rule of usg comsec - secure machine must not come to exist, the wrong folks might use it.
asciilifeform: usg is not interested in securing own infrastructure in this sense.
decimation: but it's probably the case that if you are correct - that these microcode patches may weaken usg's own infrastructure
asciilifeform: intel is arm of usg. amd - produces clones at the crown's pleasure (see agreement with intel)
asciilifeform: usg has exactly the os it wants.
decimation: if you total the amount of money spent on microsoft over the years, USG could have built its own secure OS and secure hardware to run it on
decimation: yeah that's true, the only organization on earth that will voluntarily use ms is the usg
asciilifeform: ms on the other hand is... usg department of compyooting.
decimation: so even usg's hilarious inflation numbers are showing inflation http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/06/17/us-usa-economy-idUSKBN0ES1C620140617
mircea_popescu: us citizens, as subjects of the usg.
decimation: well, derp derp who cares what the opinion of usg employees are
mircea_popescu: for all the usg knows, we all have a copy, and the keys, and are sitting here lolling at their punk ass.
mircea_popescu: the stupidity of people holding bitcoin is the one thing that can hurt bitcoin (as evidenced by say the pirate debacle, or by the fact that a million fucktarded stoners managed to give the usg a gift of 20k ish btcs)
asciilifeform: which is the way usg likes it.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: ThickAsThieves: if document is genuine, this is likely a 'marketing scheme' for the usg blacklist crap. << if it is it'll backfire, ppl get to learn first hand just how harmless btc actually is by telling these folk to stfu / ignoring them
asciilifeform: ThickAsThieves: if document is genuine, this is likely a 'marketing scheme' for the usg blacklist crap.
mircea_popescu: NOT worth it. in fact, if the usg simply invested its 7trn budget into bitcointalk "investments" the us would be ahead today
decimation: the mind reels. the amusing thing is that most of the "red state" enemies of the USG elite all think democracy is the best thing since sliced bread
decimation: examining the details is interesting though. Here's a USG employee who was actually "fired" - and he named names: http://www.spacenews.com/article/civil-space/40868nasa-heliophysics-director-fired
decimation: ascii, as long as USG is able to keep the bezzle going - joining the bezzle wot is going to be profitable. Ivies are the traditional entrance to the bezzle wot
decimation: mircea: except the job of the ivies is to prepare someone to coddle USG for a living
mircea_popescu: no. this is a way to expose the usg agents trying to push bitcoin a certain way.
nubbins`: it's known that ghash.io is USG
BingoBoingo: Well, once this USG dumping is over hopefully come hosting time next year these contributions will go for a nice handle of something while I weld the server shut to drop off at the colo
asciilifeform: usg cries
bitcoinpete: i guess i didn't read the usg sale as propaganda-y
mircea_popescu: it's the usg laundering its ill gotten bitcoins. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: fluffypony it's not bnased on th price at all. the fuck does the usg need 50mn
mircea_popescu: nubbins` the announced price will be under market rate. the "winner" will not actually have to pay anything, but will have to support usg policy.
asciilifeform: try apply for usg grant that pads no one's pocket but your own
asciilifeform: afaik usg contractors still submit invoices via fax.
asciilifeform: 'I realized that I’ve never touched a fax machine before—that it’s as abstract, for me, as the laser guns...' << clearly never dealt with usg. fax is mandatory to this day!
decimation: "Trying to supplant our nature with technology is a losing prospect that gets it completely backwards." << what's amusing is that much of the ruling ideology of the USG is exactly this
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> this is also the answer for why 'heartbleed' was necessary, considering that usg has at-will access to root certs << not that simple.
asciilifeform: this is also the answer for why 'heartbleed' was necessary, considering that usg has at-will access to root certs
asciilifeform: the interesting thing is that there is theoretically no need for such a thing, considering that towers are more or less owned by usg
mircea_popescu: i sold out to the usg!
decimation: ascii, I'm reluctant to jump on the conspiracy bandwagon because the usg seems unable to accomplish anything "good" very well
decimation: wouldn't be surprising. USG has all kinds of ancient irreplacable computer systems
mircea_popescu: anyway, the unfortunat experience of mr white, the fuckwit who listened to the usg, withdrew his charges against usg agents and is now serving 15 years should be very illuminating to every other us citizen
asciilifeform: one might imagine that eventually graffiti folks will play 'paintball' with supposedly-unpaintable symbols of usg dominance
benkay: "disliking the usg makes you a bad person"
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo so far, it'd seem the playbook of the vc twerp is, "1. eat as much conference rubber duck as possible ; 2. show trial ; 3. become usg informant"
benkay: what's up in the air is USG recognizing the above facts.
BingoBoingo: I swear, i there s a USG agency that can't know exactly who I am... WTF am I being taxed for...
mircea_popescu: the exact way in which the various distros do the updating is imo the best way to diagnose usg moles in foss.
mircea_popescu: <benkay> perhaps the usg isn't as inimical to btc biz as i'd previously gathered << where'd you gather that ? reddit ?
benkay: perhaps the usg isn't as inimical to btc biz as i'd previously gathered
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: jurov: smbx had perverse incentives (usg funding that appeared bottomless - until it died suddenly. reagan's 'star wars.') << best way to sink a good start-up is a bad revenue source early on. ☟︎
asciilifeform: jurov: smbx had perverse incentives (usg funding that appeared bottomless - until it died suddenly. reagan's 'star wars.')
mircea_popescu: usg contractors are getting shittier each year.
decimation: based on my point about the "audit" though - and asciilifeform's link, one must wonder why the USG would bother when it's probably weak
decimation: USG doesn't share either: http://www.samm.dsca.mil/loanote/communication-security-comsec-transmission-security-transec-devices-sold-fms-for-integration
decimation: https://www.nsfwcorp.com/dispatch/all-the-creeps-are-cheering/ USG & friends don't look kindly on the actual humans in Congo trying to do something about their situation
decimation: but the USG has employed many to define the undefinable
decimation: The USG doesn't take kindly to buying "conflict minerals"
decimation: Right, so my point about nest, TI, Renesas, etc is that the USG currently subsidizes the electronics industry through direct purchases
decimation: right, as in USG and friends
decimation: I wonder what portion of their profit comes from selling to USG and friends
decimation: I can't think of any better proof that our "economy" is just a "USG friends & family plan"
benkay: o look usg opining about cn/btc: http://origin.www.uscc.gov/sites/default/files/Research/USCC%20Economic%20Issue%20Brief%20-%20Bitcoin%20-%2005%2012%2014.pdf
mircea_popescu: sounds rather typical of the grossly overactive usg
decimation: This is the well-known bike shed effect http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parkinson%27s_law_of_triviality ... The fact that the President is reduced to commenting on trivia indicates his subserviant status in the USG/media power structure.
mircea_popescu: but good mercs aren't either exactly merks or dumb enough to work for the usg.
decimation: There's some reality there. USG's influence is ... overstated
bounce: about time europe got off its usg fetish. though swapping it for a russia fetish is maybe not an improvement
mircea_popescu: o look at that, academi (ex blackwater) paid by usg to send 400 ppls to "punish" ukrainian separatists.
decimation: the number of dollars that could exist, if the Fed or USG wanted them to, are uncountable
decimation: well, it's a hilarity forced upon the us by the USG
decimation: the trouble is that if they are incorporated in the US, they might make USG an enemy
decimation: the whole USG has become a vehicle to distribute the annual seigniorage
decimation: heh yeah that's a good point, can't violate USG regs
decimation: USG pays its employees in its own scrip, and they think it's a great deal
mircea_popescu: make deal with usg to be repaid so and so.
decimation: asciilifeform, many us corps (due to heavy USG encouragement) pay incentives to "invest" in 401ks
mircea_popescu: well considering what the inexistend fighter jet has cost alreayd, i can only imagine what a shuttle would cost the usg
mircea_popescu: bounce: can someone please put the usg out of our misery? << oooonly yoooouuuu
bounce: "if we can't follow your every move (financially), you must be a terrorist (financier)" -- nothing like fat budgets to engender some more groupthink and target innovations like bitcoin. can someone please put the usg out of our misery?
mircea_popescu: that a campaign against reusing addresses is more a covert usg op than anything else.
decimation: honestly if the US wanted to go full-retard, the most profitable way to proceed would be to stop collecting any taxes and run the entire USG on printed money
asciilifeform: www.tunnelbear.com << typical honeypot. usg has a sense of humour (bears; honey)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform dude, you imagine the usg would have the guts ? what's this, the future ?
mircea_popescu: <decimation> as you have found, moldbug himself is extremely reluctant to take any action that might have second or third-order effects that displease USG <<< that sorta thing.
decimation: as you have found, moldbug himself is extremely reluctant to take any action that might have second or third-order effects that displease USG
asciilifeform: decimation: rsa fob is still mandatory in usg, megacorps...
artifexd: I always assume that the usg has always-on access to my bank accounts. I guess I should start assuming the same with my coinbase activities.
mircea_popescu: meaning any info you upload to them, such as bank acct numbers, id scans, etc, is now held by the usg and by all the hacker groups.
asciilifeform: artifex: the proverbial 'upload the goods to usg every night' perl script.