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mircea_popescu: check out the ud bias lol.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 3 @ 0.0425 = 0.1275 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: i guess ima have to write about this nao.
princessnell: mra = beta-driven inverted feminism
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34126 @ 0.00086429 = 29.4948 BTC [+] {4}
taub: what a joke, constant trades average size of 0.5 that happen between the spread outta nowhere
mircea_popescu: the internet is, practically speaking, a collection of frogs and cicadas arguing as to which one set is the true operatic singer.
taub: http://puu.sh/8DsdW.png totally legit volume distribution
taub: shitbtc
mircea_popescu: taub what's in the graph ?
taub: daily btceur of hitbtc
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3972 @ 0.00012314 = 0.4891 BTC [-] {8}
mircea_popescu: taub i don't know anyone that uses hitbtc anyway
taub: yea i suppose it's not a big deal
taub: yet bitcoincharts wont rank houbi, but they'll rank this ;D
mircea_popescu: what's houbi ?
kakobrekla: the difference is that hitbtc is not china afaik, taub .
kakobrekla: at least thats their reasoning imo
moiety: hallo
BingoBoingo: Hello
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11450 @ 0.0008866 = 10.1516 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 5 @ 0.0425 = 0.2125 BTC [+]
moiety: how are you BingoBoingo?
BingoBoingo: moiety: Been both better and worse
moiety: ?? how's your cold been? and have you had an update?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.46499989 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 12 @ 0.46499999 = 5.58 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.469999 = 4.7 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0313 = 0.1565 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: hi moiety
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 164 @ 0.0043 = 0.7052 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.031224 = 0.1561 BTC [-] {3}
moiety: mew mircea_popescu how are you?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.0710003 = 0.497 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 77 @ 0.041 = 3.157 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: pretty great
moiety: :D how is m.pif doing?
moiety: theres a rogue dot in there isn't there
kakobrekla: you know, it starts with 'fund' and ends with 'fund', so winklevossy. you are better off just saying 'mund'.
moiety: i'm roaming around the wiki
moiety: ended up having visitors ive not seen for a long time hence absence and no guide
moiety: would you rather see a paste first before i plod around the wiki
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5300 @ 0.00088212 = 4.6752 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 13 @ 0.041 = 0.533 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i can't say about the others, but 'btc-e' faking volume is a testable hypothesis.
asciilifeform: (one could, in principle, take its real-time published trades and attempt buy/sell, see if it is matched at a particular offer, etc)
asciilifeform: why anyone should wish to do this, is another matter.
kakobrekla: moiety if you were talking about ba wiki , go ahead and plod, thats why its there.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 10 @ 0.041 = 0.41 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.074 = 0.222 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 5 @ 0.041 = 0.205 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 15 @ 0.074 = 1.11 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.0740001 = 0.74 BTC [+]
dub: !down mobgod
assbot: Insufficient rights, dub, !up yourself on PM first.
thestringpuller: dub dub haven't seen you in a while
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> (one could, in principle, take its real-time published trades and attempt buy/sell, see if it is matched at a particular offer, etc) << fake book != fake history.
mircea_popescu: !up princessnell
assbot: Voicing princessnell for 30 minutes.
dub: thestringpuller: sup
princessnell: i was honored to be cited on trilema
princessnell: v exciting
dub: you put stationary in ur butt?
mircea_popescu: o was it your first time princessnell ?
princessnell: you tell me!
princessnell: or u mean anywhere?
mircea_popescu: princessnell no i mean on trilema o.O
princessnell: well i haven't scoured every post yet
mircea_popescu: !up realzies
assbot: Voicing realzies for 30 minutes.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: unless i misunderstand, real book transmuting to fake history is detectable with the only slightly non-naked eye
asciilifeform: supposing anyone gave a damn.
artifexd: Did the self voicing rules change?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nah. jitney is an unsolved problem in the fiat markets either.
mircea_popescu: artifexd not afaik. why ?
artifexd: As I understand it, to self up one must be in assbot's l2 (or higher).
artifexd: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-05-2014#665321 <- implies that l3 is sufficient. Rated by someone rated by assbot. ☝︎
ozbot: #bitcoin-assets log
mircea_popescu: that's l2.
asciilifeform: jitney ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform common penny stock fraud. two brokers pass the stock back and forth to create the semblance of volume.
asciilifeform: aha, so 'fake' as in shills, rather than cooked books as such
artifexd: Assbot rates bob. Bob is in assbots's l1. Bob rates George. George is in Assbot's l2. George rates Nancy. Nancy is in Assbot's l3. Or am I fundamentally misunderstanding somethign?
asciilifeform: 'painted tape' ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18600 @ 0.00088342 = 16.4316 BTC [+]
artifexd: In that example, Bob and George could self up, but Nancy could not. Right?
mircea_popescu: artifexd right
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 600 @ 0.00021402 = 0.1284 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: "Rated by someone rated by assbot". l2.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well painting is more like price fixing
artifexd: Being rated by someone in assbots l2 doesn't do anything useful for self voicing though, right?
mircea_popescu: also a little more risky, in the sense you may end up beaten to shit by the market.
mircea_popescu: artifexd right.
artifexd: Ok. I'll chalk it up to you making a typo and that the rules didn't change.
mircea_popescu: wait what typo did i make!
artifexd: mircea_popescu:taub you need to get rated by someone in assbot's l2, then id with gribble and pm assbot !up <- you need to be rated by someone in assbot's l1
asciilifeform: it makes arithmetical sense, that, using shills, an exchange can generate whatever 'market' price spectra it likes.
mircea_popescu: o yes.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform only if it has infinite resources.
asciilifeform: what resource expenditures are needed, assuming the 'fake' prices are higher than the genuine market price ?
asciilifeform: (sell, rather than buy)
asciilifeform: fake sellers offer inflated price, fake buyers buy at it
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform someone could sell (even short) your stock, taking "your" profits you paid to generate.
asciilifeform: like the $10,000 video game machines on ebay.
mircea_popescu: this is generally why scammers bitch and whine about how shorts are bad :
mircea_popescu: they have just pushed the stock price up fraudulently, and don't want to be raped for it.
mircea_popescu: so they ask govt to intervene and distort the market.
asciilifeform: afaik 'btc-e' offers no stock?
mircea_popescu: either btc or fait can be the "stock"
mircea_popescu: a trade's a trade.
asciilifeform: so it follows that btc-e is eligible for raping?
asciilifeform: or, failing that, could be induced to operate outside of the stated parameters, proving bezzle
mircea_popescu: we are discussing quite different things. i said jitney, you proposed to replace it with painting the tape, i pointed out that that's different.
mircea_popescu: it is different.
asciilifeform begins to understand
decimation: Herr Walker reviews a book about high frequency trading: http://www.fourmilab.ch/fourmilog/archives/2014-05/001510.html
decimation: leads to http://investorsexchange.com (not a joke site!)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15225 @ 0.00088212 = 13.4303 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: associated with... expertSexchange?
decimation: heh don't think so
decimation: "This exchange, IEX, (it was originally to be called ?Investors Exchange?, but the founders realised that the obvious Internet domain name, investorsexchange.com, could be infelicitously parsed into three words as well as two), would include technological constraints (including 38 miles of fibre optic cable in a box to create latency between the point of presence where traders could attach and the servers which matched bids and asks) which
decimation: rendered the strategies of the HFTs impotent and obsolete. "
decimation: lol 38 miles of fiber in a box
mircea_popescu: decimation im sure we lolled at that domain before.
asciilifeform: i recall seeing a photo of this very box, here.
decimation: yeah probably
decimation: the question is: do you trust the fiat brigade to maintain the "integrity" of their 38 miles? Who audits the delay time?
asciilifeform: chumpatronics.
mircea_popescu: Sep 19 23:03:52 <deizel>bitcoinsexchange.com (later a hyphen is added to clear things up, bitcoins-exchange.com)
mircea_popescu: nm. different one
decimation: the greater chumpatron sucks chumps attempting to evade lesser chumpatrons
moiety: kakobrekla: done. would you see if it's of any use please?
mircea_popescu: so there's been a sexchange of bitcoin, experts and investors so far. who's next ?
decimation: you know your "market" has entered LOListan when exchanges compete, promising to screw the customer slightly less
mircea_popescu: obamasexchange.biz ?
decimation: that sounda more like future news
moiety: kakobrekla: why does my title have - and not spaces -_- sorry will delete
dub: dc's in and near exchanges all have minimum cable distance to make it 'fair' from what Ive heard
decimation: yeah but there are clear incentives to "cheat"
dub: which is why the house enforces it
mircea_popescu: the funny part being that this hft thing is a solved problem, mpex doesn't have it.
mircea_popescu: you don't need 38 miles of cable either
asciilifeform: the problem, as i understand, exists where people wish it to exist.
BingoBoingo: That trilema article was one of the most revealing to me
dub: there used to be serious competition to be in closer racks
decimation: I guess the only reason there is a front running "problem" is because only a small oligarchy has access to the market
artifexd: I've never understood why hft is a problem.
mircea_popescu: decimation i'd say it exists because a wide nonoligarchy somehow got the mistaken impression it should have access to the market.
decimation: true
decimation: imagine you are the CEO of IBM: you know whether you hold a clown circus for your next board meeting or not, all the chumps are going to auto-buy your stock next Thursday
mircea_popescu: what exact value would one expect from joe the plumber's knowledge of stocks and the world around him to be passed through his 3k into apple's market
mircea_popescu: decimation for instance, buffett refused small investors precisely for this reason. fuck you, we don't want your stupid.
decimation: also, the small investor has no say, even if he's not stupid
mircea_popescu: well, he has the say of his buy or sell, whatever it is. that's a say
decimation: because the votes of his 401k shares are excercised on his behalf
asciilifeform: we don't want your stupid << at the poker table, they certainly want the stupid.
BingoBoingo: ^
mircea_popescu: fifty milion idiots with 10 dollars each made britney spears a reality.
decimation: most USian's don't have any choice on what to buy
decimation: "stock fund" or "bond fund"
mircea_popescu: this is also true
decimation: and the shares they own in these "funds" convey no rights
asciilifeform: fortunately, it remains possible to buy... nothing
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform sure, the other market participants do want it. the corp tho doesn;t.
asciilifeform: at least at the moment.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this takes us to the deep reason mpex is oft maligned on the sm : reddit, tardstalk et all are mostly made up of would-be daytraders, in their own head.
mircea_popescu: these are very insulted by a flat refusal to allow chumps at table.
decimation: so, basically banks and investment brokers end up excercising the ownership rights of idiots
decimation: which solves buffet's problem to some extent
mircea_popescu: decimation used to work fine up until they started hiring idiots.
asciilifeform once allowed 100 usd to vanish into '401k' nonsense through slothful inaction (forgot to fill out form to zap it after it was issued by an employer)
asciilifeform took off hat, paid respects, said good-bye to the hundy.
mircea_popescu: how much is it worth now ?
decimation: asciilifeform you can avoid some of the 401k madness if your company offers a "Roth 401k"
asciilifeform: decimation: why would i want any
BingoBoingo: Generally in the US Roth anything is less insane
decimation: you pay taxes up front, but you can withdrawl the principal investment (not the earnings) at any time
BingoBoingo: But that still isn't sane
decimation: well, I guess if you want to pay more tax
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 6 @ 0.041 = 0.246 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: better a tax than a straight disappearance into neverneverland
decimation: I guess the gov't makes you pay one way or the other.
decimation: asciilifeform, many us corps (due to heavy USG encouragement) pay incentives to "invest" in 401ks
decimation: like, we will pay you 5% more if you "invest" 5%
asciilifeform: yeah, they do
decimation: you can see how this feeds the above-outlined chumpatron
asciilifeform: would you send 5% to nigerian scammers if someone offered to pay you 5% more for the trouble?
decimation: worse, they will pay 5% to the scammers, on the understanding that you can one day collect
mircea_popescu: ^ employer matching
decimation: exactly
mircea_popescu: "pour your milk in this hole, we'll pour some more milk after it"
mircea_popescu: always made me think of the 1930s milk pouring exercises
asciilifeform: typically, this comes with a caveat, that the matched $ is yours only after x years of faithful servitude
mircea_popescu: wouldn't those have been great if the farmers didn't have to pour 100% of the milk poured,
mircea_popescu: but if stupid consumers did half of it ? then they could buy it... again.
decimation: the IRS "safe harbor" rule is that as long as you "pay" your janitor 3% in his 401k, you can offer any amount you wish to anyone else in your company
decimation: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/401%28k%29 " If the less compensated employees save more for retirement, then the HCEs are allowed to save more for retirement. "
ozbot: 401(k) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
mircea_popescu: now look what benkay did : https://twitter.com/Artzicarol/status/464063334015197186/photo/1/large
decimation: the problem with Roth plans: "I am altering the deal, pray I don't alter it further..."
mircea_popescu: how's taht specific to roth anything ?
asciilifeform: i won't be the least bit surprised when 401k, etc. confiscation is instituted for emigres
asciilifeform: 'betrayed the motherland, sentenced to confiscation'
decimation: well, the roth deal is that you pay tax up front, on the promise that you never pay tax again...
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2013/the-endless-story-of-korea/
ozbot: The endless story of Korea. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: see the story of mr perry.
asciilifeform: precisely it.
mircea_popescu: "Plaintiff seeks to make his case solely upon the theory that, by reason of the change in the weight of the dollar he is entitled to $1.69 in the present currency for every dollar promised by the bond, regardless of any actual loss he has suffered with respect to any transaction in which his dollars may be used. We think that position is untenable."
mircea_popescu: make deal with usg to be repaid so and so.
mircea_popescu: get repaid 55%. tough.
asciilifeform: take the money, spend on beer. they can't make you un-drink the beer, at least.
decimation: "we think that position is untenable"
mircea_popescu: court thinks your position is untenable
mircea_popescu: meanwhile the same government paid its own employees a full 100%
mircea_popescu: because well.
mircea_popescu: the gestapo you gotta pay. else the court may not "think"
decimation: USG pays its employees in its own scrip, and they think it's a great deal
mircea_popescu: decimation no, at the time, it paid people overseas (and select foreign governments)
mircea_popescu: at the 1.69 rate it wouldn'
mircea_popescu: t pay a mere citizen
decimation: http://www.fedsmith.com/2014/02/05/borrowing-from-the-g-fund-again-to-offset-the-debt-ceiling/
ozbot: Borrowing from the G Fund (Again) to Offset the Debt Ceiling - FedSmith.com
mircea_popescu: agreements be damned.
decimation: "The G Fund holds approximately 37 percent of all TSP balances held by the 4.6 million TSP participants. As most readers know, the TSP is similar to a 401(k) retirement fund for about 4.6 million current and former government employees and uniformed service members. To make up for the deficit spending by the government, the Treasury has ?suspended reinvestment? or taken assets out of the G Fund to pay for other expenses."
decimation: the bigger story is that 37% of fed retirment money is invested in a "fund" that has returned %0.82 year-to-date.
decimation: I guess if they won't work as free employees they can always "have problems" and then work as zeks
asciilifeform: most of the people involved, sadly, can only be redeemed as... biodiesel.
decimation: have you read The First Circle ascii?
asciilifeform: nope
asciilifeform: familiar with the background, however.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 2 @ 0.1333333 = 0.2667 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: <decimation> the bigger story is that 37% of fed retirment money is invested in a "fund" that has returned %0.82 year-to-date. << and then we cuss out people for "investing" in glbse&co
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 6 @ 0.0425 = 0.255 BTC [+]
decimation: mircea, the NSA is searching for a private citizen to donate to their new museum: Imagine how much it would cost to get your picture in the lobby? http://www.cryptologicfoundation.org/content/New-Museum-Project/
mircea_popescu: lawl
mircea_popescu: that's ok, they'll prolly do it for free.
mircea_popescu: anyway, the message couldn't be louder or clearer : the nsa is being retired.
asciilifeform: they've had a museum for ages
decimation: Re: price of gold adjustment during the FDR-era: http://books.google.com/books?id=53zTrfaIqSEC&pg=PA322 "we were thinking an increase of 19 to 22 cents. Roosevelt took one look at me and suggested a rise of 21 cents. "It's a lucky number," the President said with a laugh, "because it's three times seven"
asciilifeform: fellow i know wanted to take his kid there, and drove into the wrong gate
asciilifeform: they let him out. after a while.
mircea_popescu: (if anyone's wondering who ron isler is, btw, http://www.topdog08.com/2005/09/who_the_hell_is.html )
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 20 @ 0.00601155 = 0.1202 BTC [+] {4}
decimation: is this related to those guys who claimed to attack that power substation in CA?
mircea_popescu: i don't imagine it is.
asciilifeform: a hypothetical retirement of nsa would be interesting, supposing the americans have built a tank in which to breed folks who can actually keep secrets - like fish
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 400 @ 0.00282619 = 1.1305 BTC [-] {5}
asciilifeform: failing that, it would have to be operated 'sharashka'-style.
asciilifeform: ('it' being replacement nsa)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform consider the more apocalyptic scenario : there's no secret currently kept by the nsa that we don't already know.
mircea_popescu: it's probably the more accurate.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 100 @ 0.0064 = 0.64 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: http://youtu.be/BfeIGQ4xAcc?t=12m16s
ozbot: Aquarium - Soviet Military Intelligence Service 3/10 Full movie English subtitles - YouTube
asciilifeform: ^ infamous scene, showing how to keep organization that keeps secrets.
asciilifeform: (continued here - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BlIzzns3eMo)
asciilifeform: (in the original books, the condemned was pulled out of the fire in the last moment, because an 'honourable' coffin came in, and took precedence. after which, the ceremony resumed.)
TheNewDeal: thank you, assbot
bitcoinpete: TheNewDeal: that bastille day offer still on the table?
TheNewDeal: yes it is, through today
decimation: ascii I like the comically long red carpet and enormous table of the GRU chief
asciilifeform: this was specified in the book, if i recall
asciilifeform: 'big enough to park in'
asciilifeform: what it was in real life, devil knows
asciilifeform: picture if snowden wrote book, about nsa headquarters.
asciilifeform: some will believe it, some won't, if the man is inclined to 'herodotus' the facts, he very well might succumb to temptation.
TheNewDeal: i'm off for a quick smoke
decimation: especially when he knows the other side won't respond in public, by definition
mircea_popescu: that definitin is kinda borkt. i'd respond.
asciilifeform: gru responded.
asciilifeform: 'liar, liar, pants on fire'
mircea_popescu: doesn't have to be something that stupid.
asciilifeform: http://pastebin.com/6EQxr3nm
ozbot: aquarium piece - Pastebin.com
asciilifeform: (from british transl.)
decimation: The real GRU http://cryptome.org/eyeball/gru/pict4.jpg
decimation: they have a strange batman obsession apparently
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla : http://imgur.com/0aVuzYa wtf ?
decimation: heh "But once he's got his Mercedes and his
decimation: own swimming pool, the traitor suddenly realizes that all
decimation: the people around him also have nice cars and pools. He
decimation: suddenly feels like an ant in a crowd of equally rich ants.
decimation: He loses the sense of superiority over those around him."
decimation: it's better to be the richest of the poor than just another rich guy
mircea_popescu: this is very true.
decimation: you know the funny thing is that the USSR had much official propaganda w.r.t. egalitarianism
decimation: if this is even half true, the very motor of the state was an elite hierarchy
decimation: in the west, there is no such hierarchy, yet egalitarianism is strictly enforced
asciilifeform: the 'motor' of which kingdom, and where, is something other than a hierarchy ?
mircea_popescu: decimation yes it's true, and yes it was.
mircea_popescu: i'm not an elitist because i got bored daydreaming one day and fixated on that.
mircea_popescu: i'm an elitist because i've had the good chance to observe first hand what works and what doesn't and how and why.
asciilifeform: re: ussr - what kind of hierarchy, and how it suffered an american-style 'favoured son' sclerotic demise, is a beloved subject of armchair generals everywhere.
mircea_popescu: and with that i bid you all a most excellent nighty night.
decimation: 'night
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 24 @ 0.041 = 0.984 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 25 @ 0.00601 = 0.1503 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 29 @ 0.00447581 = 0.1298 BTC [+] {3}
BingoBoingo: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=600066.0
ozbot: Scam advisory: Bitbet.com
TheNewDeal: hahaha confirmation email
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.0325 = 0.325 BTC [-]
Duffer1: carolina does a good impression of indian xbox support
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33800 @ 0.00088337 = 29.8579 BTC [+]
TheNewDeal: ;;rate bitcoinpete 1 sold contract of .1 BTC for 24'000 timeweight for http://bitbet.us/bet/677/bitcoin-network-difficulty-14bn-on-bastille-day
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user bitcoinpete has been recorded.
TheNewDeal: ;;rate bitcoinpete 1 sold contract of .1 BTC for 24'000 timeweight for YES on http://bitbet.us/bet/677/bitcoin-network-difficulty-14bn-on-bastille-day
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating for user bitcoinpete has changed from 1 to 1.
TheNewDeal: der we go
BingoBoingo: Cool
benkay: ;;later tell princessnell benkay@gmail.com now gimme yours so we can actually communicate asynchronously
gribble: The operation succeeded.
benkay: <mircea_popescu> now look what benkay did : https://twitter.com/Artzicarol/status/464063334015197186/photo/1/large << can't say as i've seen the broad
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.07489988 = 0.2996 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: benkay: Using the word broad is how we know you like them older
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 4 @ 0.04175 = 0.167 BTC [+] {2}
TheNewDeal: benkay did you make that poster
BingoBoingo: http://arstechnica.com/science/2014/05/scientific-computings-future-can-any-coding-language-top-a-1950s-behemoth/
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23250 @ 0.00088449 = 20.5644 BTC [+] {2}
artifexd: ;;later tell kakobrekla Going to http://bitbet.us/bet/842?json results in a redirect loop. http://bitbet.us/bet/842/?json works fine.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 23 @ 0.041 = 0.943 BTC [-]
wywialm: good morning, #bitcoin-assets
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 25 @ 0.041 = 1.025 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6690 @ 0.00088244 = 5.9035 BTC [-] {2}
fluffypony: let's play a new game called "There's an Alibaba for that!"
fluffypony: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BnCMZcWCcAACoTm.jpg:large
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 13 @ 0.041 = 0.533 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.07414999 = 0.4449 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07425 = 0.1485 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26796 @ 0.00088212 = 23.6373 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 10 @ 0.041 = 0.41 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25905 @ 0.00088511 = 22.9288 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12700 @ 0.00088469 = 11.2356 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 40 @ 0.041 = 1.64 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15850 @ 0.00088749 = 14.0667 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40287 @ 0.00088248 = 35.5525 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4913 @ 0.00088189 = 4.3327 BTC [-]
fluffypony: http://kindofnormal.com/img/wumo/2014/05/08.jpg
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21800 @ 0.00088139 = 19.2143 BTC [-] {2}
Naphex: sup davout, did you try that fast lib?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25929 @ 0.00088297 = 22.8945 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 2 @ 0.06139999 = 0.1228 BTC [+] {2}
fluffypony: modern teknologies: http://op-co.de/blog/posts/hacking_the_nx300/
fluffypony: welcome to 2014, where your camera connects to wifi and runs an open X server
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 4 @ 0.041 = 0.164 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 78156 @ 0.00088089 = 68.8468 BTC [-] {4}
fluffypony: mircea_popescu:lol look at fluffypony killing it with teh scamcoin <- did you see the tête-à-tête I had with some podcast guy in a different thread? classic: http://www.reddit.com/r/vertcoin/comments/24vgj3/press_release_crowdfunder_please_join_in_and_some/chbac1r ☟︎
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9950 @ 0.00087861 = 8.7422 BTC [-]
fluffypony: mircea_popescu:fluffypony so opened on feb 8th at 0.025, peaked at .1, then piefaced towards 0.015ish. is it dead ? <- that's what happens when an altcoin gets put on a large exchange - all the pump-and-dumpers go ballistic, and there ends up being a huge correction. happens every. single. time.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7994 @ 0.00087861 = 7.0236 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 5 @ 0.041 = 0.205 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20750 @ 0.00088658 = 18.3965 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 71 @ 0.00447699 = 0.3179 BTC [+] {2}
fluffypony: gribble went bang?
Naphex: netsplit
Naphex: or smthin
fluffypony: "Disconnected by services" != netsplot tho
mircea_popescu: this was odd.
mircea_popescu: digging through archives is kind-of lulzy.
mircea_popescu: "This INITIAL PUBLIC OFFERING AGREEMENT (the "Agreement") is made and entered into as of August 14, 2012, by and among Bitpantry, an unregistered corporation ; Ryan "aethero" Schreiber (GPG fingerprint 305C FB53 7F95 EB20 34A2 E72F 6B5A 5086 B24E D539), an individual ; Stormy "lucidlepidoptera" Schreiber (bitcoin address 1J96JXdfY3CYKeqiDASgnaKjLqumfqfSdG), an individual and MPEx"
mircea_popescu: all the things i passed on.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SF1] 602 @ 0.00089777 = 0.5405 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: !up knotwork
assbot: Voicing knotwork for 30 minutes.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.0318666 = 0.1275 BTC [+] {2}
HeySteve: assbot doesn't recognise altgribble :)
Apocalyptic: HeySteve, altgribble isn't even here
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3350 @ 0.00088921 = 2.9789 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: ;;gettrust assbot gribble
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user gribble: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 1 via 3 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=gribble | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=gribble | Rated since: Fri Nov 12 04:57:21 2010
mircea_popescu: this is fucking weird, are we being attacked ?
mircea_popescu: ;;ident
gribble: Nick 'mircea_popescu', with hostmask 'mircea_popescu!~Mircea@pdpc/supporter/silver/mircea-popescu', is not identified.
mircea_popescu: HeySteve what do you mean itdoesn't recognise it ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19700 @ 0.00087905 = 17.3173 BTC [-]
Apocalyptic: <mircea_popescu> this is fucking weird, are we being attacked ? // it's the aliens
mircea_popescu: lol
bounce: hard to see how this news release is much beyond fud. apparently the girl "investigating", didn't do much of the sort.
bounce: (re sec thingy on investor.gov) -- relatedly, why would you require investors to be "accredited" other than as an old boys network protectionist measure?
fluffypony: bounce: I didn't find it overly dramatic or fud? I think it would be better for investors to apply a bit of common sense than get caught up in hype
bounce: apparently the land of the free needs to nanny its investors
fluffypony: lol
mircea_popescu: bounce which girl ?
fluffypony: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583262.msg6601582#msg6601582 - "Opinion on usage of .io vs .co.uk? I prefer .co.uk in how it looks and sounds, however .io is better for google rankings."
ozbot: [CounterParty] IPO announcement. Mimex - UK bitcoin exchange
mircea_popescu: also it makes sense to limit investment to rich people. because poor people are stupid, and their stupidity hurts the market, not just themselves.
fluffypony: that broke my brain
Naphex: how is .io better for google rankings?
Naphex: wtf
mircea_popescu: fluffypony no actually i'd say it's exactly right for forum learning.
bounce: the sec one wanting whateveritwas from mpex
mircea_popescu: bounce oh, her. that's too soon really, they're still working on having what i said translated.
fluffypony: Naphex: because with the flood of new TLDs Google apparently cares about your tld
fluffypony: lol
mircea_popescu: GEORGE: I don’t get art.
mircea_popescu: JERRY: There’s nothing to get.
mircea_popescu: GEORGE: Well, it always has to be explained to me, and then I have to have someone explain the explanation....
bounce: where "working on it" means "stored it on the bottom of a drawer in a disused cabinet"
mircea_popescu: not quite.
bounce: how many years then?
mircea_popescu: obviously they're making it just enough of a not-priority so as to miss out, that's part and parcel of how governments work.
mircea_popescu: maybe a coupla ?
mircea_popescu: bounce but srsly, what don't you like about the sec release ?
mircea_popescu: i thought it was pretty sensible.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 50 @ 0.041 = 2.05 BTC [-]
bounce: oh I dunno. scanned it and didn't see much of anything except all the well-known things they don't like summed up. now I read the whole thing and indeed, little substance. though I suppose that there's still plenty people out there that haven't put the should-be-obvious things together.
bounce: and there's the usual "h4xx0rz" mention. thanks so much to the hatted security gangs for that bit of damage.
mircea_popescu: well yes. those aren't intended to be bleeding edge,
mircea_popescu: they're the "no child left behind" minimal bar.
mircea_popescu: and i wouldn't worry too much for the entire haxxorz bullshit. we're pretty much in place by now, if it ever becomes pol;itically expedient or economically productive to do so, the entire obsolete fiat industry can be fully interdicted with little cost and little effort.
mircea_popescu: then gl arguing about the "hackers" "threatening" "bitcoin" when no fiat bank can do anything since last year.
bounce: the abuse of terminology still grates.
mircea_popescu: when any company wishing to transact discovers that any single attgempt to use a fiat system results in a failed transaction and a mountain of paperwork, whereas their competitors are getting through just fine via bitcoin, nothing is optional anymore.
mircea_popescu: they either submit or file for bankruptcy.
mircea_popescu: obviously if they wait to submit for that point they will also be taxed, for their stupidity, but hey. fair is fair, suck the cock early on, enthusiastically, or else be bloodied by it later.
Naphex: mircea_popescu: until then guys still want too impress girls with moneyz ;]
mircea_popescu: sure.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 13 @ 0.0425 = 0.5525 BTC [+]
Naphex: showing girls your btc wallet might not go as nicely as a pocket full of cash :)) ☟︎
mircea_popescu: but he who holds the field makes the rules, irrespective of which way the sheep baaa
Naphex: hehe
mircea_popescu: sau pe romaneste, turma merge in directia-n care vrea ciobanu', nu in directia-n care behaie oile. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: ca ciobanu' are bita.
fluffypony: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=462370.msg6602005#msg6602005
ozbot: [ActiveMining] Official Shareholder Discussion Thread [Moderated]
fluffypony: "Right after we made the the deal with eASIC, hashfast and cointerra came out with their 400 and 500 GH/s chips, after having eASIC run our RTL on their platform and for the minimum number of chips we had to purchase, we did not have enough pre-orders to cover the purchase due to hashfast and cointerra selling 17 Million in machines."
fluffypony: well, then.
mircea_popescu: lol
fluffypony: how much did they raise for that? 5k BTC?
fluffypony: "So the 5000+ BTC we crowdfunded to make a chip - turns out it wasn't enough to make a chip. Just enough to pay a nice salary for Ken and all his family for a few years. I'll be dumping my shares at whatever price I can get. Time to move on."
fluffypony: lol
mircea_popescu: aww
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 47 @ 0.0425 = 1.9975 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19166 @ 0.00088947 = 17.0476 BTC [+] {2}
kakobrekla: you people keep breaking my toys :(
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/what-happens-when-you-add-a-drop-of-sewage-to-a-bottle-of-fine-wine/
ozbot: What happens when you add a drop of sewage to a bottle of fine wine ? pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea
dub: jenkem?
mircea_popescu: lol shit i forgot about it
mircea_popescu: shoulda put a reference in there.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41650 @ 0.00089025 = 37.0789 BTC [+] {3}
fluffypony: http://libertyblitzkrieg.com/2014/05/07/as-wall-street-looks-to-copy-bitcoin-the-department-of-defense-studies-it-as-a-terrorist-threat/
ozbot: As Wall Street Looks to Copy Bitcoin, The Department of Defense Studies it as a “Terrorist Threatâ
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34000 @ 0.00088304 = 30.0234 BTC [-] {2}
fluffypony: "In any event, Munger called Bitcoin “rat poison” (watch the interview here) and I found his choice of words quite telling. After all, rat poison is used to eliminate dangerous and unsanitary pests, namely rodents. So if Bitcoin is “rat poison,” who are the rats? I’d say the financial system itself. So if Bitcoin is the poison to eliminate the hopelessly corrupt and parasitic financial system I have to agree with Munger. Bitcoin is inde
fluffypony: rat poison."
mircea_popescu: it is rat poison.
mircea_popescu: guess who's the rat.
mircea_popescu: a hey. dja know the author ?
fluffypony: no, was linked on reddit
mircea_popescu: ah. well, he has a point :)
fluffypony: "For those of you unaware, Munger is Warren Buffett’s right hand man, and he made headlines in 2012 when he stated only Jews in Nazi Germany before being thrown on a train to a concentration camp have any reason to buy gold"
fluffypony: LOL
fluffypony: I missed that line
mircea_popescu: eh, the guy made headlines plenty of time, and i don't recall that bs
mircea_popescu: the writer must be reading bottled farts.
mircea_popescu: !up haos
assbot: Voicing haos for 30 minutes.
HeySteve: Munger said that ages ago though, it's from the same session where Gates called it a "technological tour de force"
HeySteve: CCN or Bloomberg... not sure why Reddit dredged that quote up after ... 6 months at least
fluffypony: HeySteve: the blog post is from yesterday though
HeySteve: yeah, apparently they're studying virtual reality and other innocuous things for terrism too
mircea_popescu: HeySteve takes a while for people to digest stuff.
HeySteve: seems they've gone paranoid
jurov: pankkake: source about panama fund non-existing?
fluffypony: jurov: I found it
fluffypony: lemme get link
fluffypony: jurov: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=339417.msg5653556#msg5653556
mircea_popescu: https://bitcointa.lk/threads/financial-reporting-for-securities.108442/#post-1996855
ozbot: Financial Reporting for Securities | Bitcointa.lk
mircea_popescu: one year aniversary
jurov: hm why bitcointa.lk won't show post dates?
mircea_popescu: "MPOE-PR, May 11, 2013" ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30125 @ 0.00088301 = 26.6007 BTC [-]
jurov: oh i see
jurov: fluffypony: thx
jurov: Russian Bitcoin Exchange s-BTC.com launch IPO on BitcoinBourse.eu
jurov: and also GRC:
jurov: Gaming Royalty Corp provides working capital for Mobile Game Software
jurov: Developers worldwide that have BtC enabled features. GRC provides
jurov: capital for new game development on an exclusive title & platform
jurov: basis. GRC enters into Royalty Contracts from the Mobile Gaming
jurov: Companies by title or platform that guarantee fixed returns of 2x ~ 4x
jurov: of the invested amount over two to five year terms.
jurov: totally legit
fluffypony: lol
fluffypony: but it's guaranteed, jurov!
mircea_popescu: guaranteedly.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10375 @ 0.00088301 = 9.1612 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: who was asking about why qualify investors earlier ?
mircea_popescu: "Millions will be encouraged to dump Monsanto stock this coming Friday, May 9th, to give a clear message to the biotech industry that we don’t support them at all."
mircea_popescu: because you don't need this sort of shit, that's why.
fluffypony: protesting 2.0
pankkake: jurov: not sure why you asked me, it's not my claim
fluffypony: pankkake: you are a wizard that knows all
pankkake: if only
pankkake: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=600524.0
ozbot: WTS 500 plus shares of AsicMiner
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 3 @ 0.041 = 0.123 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35950 @ 0.00089049 = 32.0131 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: bitstamp fixed their scam by not fixing it; https://www.bitstamp.net/article/bitstamp-minimum-trade-changing-to-5/
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15425 @ 0.00089027 = 13.7324 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16200 @ 0.00088281 = 14.3015 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.07255543 = 0.7256 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.03241666 = 0.1945 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.0325 = 0.26 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.0325 = 0.2275 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 25 @ 0.03198881 = 0.7997 BTC [+] {7}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.0325 = 0.13 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SF1] 1553 @ 0.00089777 = 1.3942 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 48 @ 0.041 = 1.968 BTC [-]
thestringpuller: !ticker m s.mpoe
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.0008523 / 0.00087468 / 0.00089049 (990557 shares, 866.42 BTC), 7D: 0.00083786 / 0.00089027 / 0.00097641 (4768259 shares, 4,245.05 BTC), 30D: 0.00083786 / 0.0009506 / 0.00101 (20321475 shares, 19,317.68 BTC)
asciilifeform: from the loltron:
asciilifeform: http://cryptome.org/2014/05/mathew-goldstein.pdf
fluffypony: assbot: hah hah - he tailgated into the Whitehouse?
fluffypony: asciilifeform even
BingoBoingo: http://deadspin.com/a-goddamned-dinosaur-threw-out-the-first-pitch-at-the-p-1573135172
ozbot: A Goddamned Dinosaur Threw Out The First Pitch At The Padres Game
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 5 @ 0.041 = 0.205 BTC [-]
thestringpuller: lol fluffypony is on dat provigil
thestringpuller: never sleeps
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15400 @ 0.0008826 = 13.592 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 10 @ 0.041 = 0.41 BTC [-]
fluffypony: thestringpuller: I'm UCT +2, so I'm normally asleep when all the cool stuff happens :)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10400 @ 0.00088258 = 9.1788 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: The thing about -assets is that eventually the irregularity and unpredictability of when interesting things happens messes with everyone's sleep cycle
fluffypony: BingoBoingo: tell me about it
fluffypony: been pulling lots of 2am nights recently
fluffypony: I blame -assets
BingoBoingo: fluffypony: I'll let you experience it. This is just the beginning for you.
pankkake: !jd mpif
assbot: Current MPIF account balance on Just-Dice: 163.97850636 BTC; -0.04374053 BTC (-0.0267%) since last check 16h 10m 44s ago.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.0731 = 0.5117 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 10 @ 0.041 = 0.41 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: %book
atcbot: 75k@235 25k@234 0k@230 | 8k@195 90k@156 10k@155
BingoBoingo: http://crazyrxman.blogspot.com/2014/04/its-april-fools-day.html
ozbot: Crazy RxMan: It's April Fools Day
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 2.71286496 BTC to 8`632 shares, 31428 satoshi per share
benkay: what'd i miss, BingoBoingo
BingoBoingo: benkay: Oh, not too much. Freenode getting a touch of DDoS it seems
Apocalyptic: reddit summed up
Apocalyptic: <LadyRainicorn> It is strange how pretty much the only thing that gets upvoted is asinine jokes.
Apocalyptic: <LadyRainicorn> And everything insightful I write lingers with like 5 upvotes.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 25 @ 0.00605 = 0.1513 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 5 @ 0.041 = 0.205 BTC [-]
fluffypony: lol
fluffypony: true
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 12 @ 0.07415367 = 0.8898 BTC [+] {2}
benkay: <BingoBoingo> benkay: Using the word broad is how we know you like them older << no that's how i describe the older ones
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 14 @ 0.07485653 = 1.048 BTC [+] {3}
BingoBoingo: benkay: Maybe it's a regional thing. Or these damned pills.
benkay: fluffypony: aliyun? my dreams of bringing the cloud to asia have been crushed.
fluffypony: benkay: it's a sad day for all Asientrepreneurs
BingoBoingo: Eh, the cloud, CDN's, et all can burn in hell
benkay: BingoBoingo: gtfo
benkay: every tool has a time and a place.
BingoBoingo: benkay: Sure, at the right time and place Orchiectomy can be a valuable lifesaving procedure, but it is something the sane would never undergo electively.
benkay: dude
benkay: you don't even build bridges
BingoBoingo: Well. I make the occasional wharf
Apocalyptic: the clould always sounded to me like first class BS
asciilifeform: there is no 'cloud.' only - other people's hard disks.
Apocalyptic: ^
benkay: don't be talkin to me about 4140 vs 1018
benkay: sometimes renting other people's hard disks is fine and cloud is shorthand for virtual butts argh do argh you pedantic dinosaurs argh
TomServo: I had a former employer that was/is trying to enter the 'cloud backup' market. With a single DC and SAN... I think he missed the point.
asciilifeform: 4140 vs 1018 << hastelloy please.
benkay: hastelloy << how much does hastelloy cost?
asciilifeform: more. but it's neat.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13400 @ 0.00088258 = 11.8266 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: to continue with metallurgical analogy, 'cloud' is... zamac.
BingoBoingo remembers designing and building an actual bridge as a sort of final project in the Boy Scouts
Naphex: sup
Naphex: ;o
BingoBoingo chose telephone poles as the structural elements
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.48661996 BTC [+]
benkay: i have a neat little aluminum bicycle.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 230 @ 0.041 = 9.43 BTC [-]
benkay: (it's little because i am as well)
benkay: its weight and stiffness are rather impressive.
benkay: but i wouldn't build a bridge out of Al.
benkay: or zamac.
asciilifeform: i never even knew of zamac until i had a... corkscrew break in half.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: That is the worst
Apocalyptic: <benkay> but i wouldn't build a bridge out of Al. // some people did
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.03290016 = 0.1974 BTC [-] {2}
benkay: who cares how the herps derp
mike_c: lol, BingoBoingo, i too built an actual bridge in boy scouts. good times.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34700 @ 0.00088191 = 30.6023 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5408 @ 0.00087971 = 4.7575 BTC [-]
benkay: %h
atcbot: %t | %ticker | %book | %diff | %tx <tx_id> | %bal <address> | %mined | %block <block_height> | %lb | %tslb | %cm | %ptp | %help | %h
benkay: %t
atcbot: [X-BT] Bid: 195 Ask: 230 Last Price: 195 24h-Vol: 0k High: 0 Low: 0 VWAP: 0
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 15 @ 0.041 = 0.615 BTC [-]
benkay: hey mod6 can i convince you to load atcbot into #pdxtech-btc
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 100 @ 0.07246664 = 7.2467 BTC [-] {6}
fluffypony: lol SymStep:
fluffypony: "@fluffypony: When you have been here long enough you do learn that not many people with long experience in bitcoin care about WoT and most people who do turn out to be scammers are very happy to be part of Wot. Biggest scammers usually have been here for very long time planning and making trust from others."
BingoBoingo: mike_c: Was your engineering more sophisticated than "lay telephones poles parallel and cover with boards"?
mike_c: hell yeah. we used fallen trees.
mike_c: and rebar'd them together.
mike_c: muy complicated
mod6: benkay: yeah, I think we can manage that. pm me.
thestringpuller: benkay, i roll my j tight, i know what they like
mike_c: i don't keep up much on havelol, just found out they've been running in the red the last few months!
BingoBoingo: Orly
mike_c: i don't see any reason that would turn around.
mike_c: http://i.imgur.com/fgMnuwo.png
mike_c: if anybody else missed it
kakobrekla: ;;later tell artifexd should be fixed nao.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
artifexd: kakobrekla: Confirmed.
artifexd: Speaking of bitbet, is there a way to get search results in json?
kakobrekla: i dun think so
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.0329 = 0.329 BTC [-] {3}
artifexd: May I have one?
mike_c: um, everyone, nice knowing you. i'm off to my private island.
mike_c: http://i.imgur.com/oDRuMjF.png
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.07202012 = 0.7202 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 10 @ 0.041 = 0.41 BTC [-]
pankkake: did you use IPoT?
asciilifeform: runaway decimal point?
mod6: heh, JSON api = new bitbetbot?
artifexd: mod6: Shhhhh
mod6: haha
Apocalyptic: dat price
mike_c: kakobrekla: stats page in json still somewhere in your todo list?
kakobrekla: mike_c today
mike_c: ah, nice
mike_c: for the record, https://justcoin.com/ is responsible for the retarded BTC price on bitcoinaverage
mike_c: scandinavia's first best greatest btc exchange
kakobrekla: artifexd you know you can parse all the bets in json yourself
kakobrekla: so searchin those shouldnt be a problem
fluffypony: mike_c: "Last price 322 998 BTC/EUR 2 650 BTC/NOK 446 BTC/USD"
fluffypony: only the Europeans are lucky on JustCoin
fluffypony: everyone else is unfortunate
artifexd: Sure. I can walk from 1 to error and store those. I was looking to offload my workload on you though.
mike_c: skipping 128 ;)
Naphex: http://www.bitcoincharts.com/markets/btcxchangeRON_depth.html
ozbot: Bitcoin Charts / Markets / btcxchangeRON
mike_c: the lost bitbet. http://bitbet.us/bet/128/
fluffypony: they are borked: http://www.cryptocoincharts.info/orderbook.php?pair=btc-eur&market=justcoin
fluffypony: I think they're trying to switch to bits or something equally stupid
mike_c: maybe scandanavians just really like btc. it's the new china.
fluffypony: the spread's only 9,950.000 EUR
fluffypony: dat arbitrage
thestringpuller: mike_c: what's the action
thestringpuller: you are the new Bugpowder
thestringpuller: ;;last seen
gribble: (last [--{from,in,on,with,without,regexp} <value>] [--nolimit]) -- Returns the last message matching the given criteria. --from requires a nick from whom the message came; --in requires a channel the message was sent to; --on requires a network the message was sent on; --with requires some string that had to be in the message; --regexp requires a regular expression the message (1 more message)
thestringpuller: ;;last Bugpowder
gribble: (last [--{from,in,on,with,without,regexp} <value>] [--nolimit]) -- Returns the last message matching the given criteria. --from requires a nick from whom the message came; --in requires a channel the message was sent to; --on requires a network the message was sent on; --with requires some string that had to be in the message; --regexp requires a regular expression the message (1 more message)
thestringpuller: ;;seen Bugpowder
gribble: Bugpowder was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 8 weeks, 6 days, 14 hours, 36 minutes, and 48 seconds ago: <Bugpowder> Whee... http://p2pfoundation.ning.com/profile/SatoshiNakamoto
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 27 @ 0.03271854 = 0.8834 BTC [-] {3}
benkay: %t
atcbot: [X-BT] Bid: 195 Ask: 230 Last Price: 195 24h-Vol: 0k High: 0 Low: 0 VWAP: 0
TomServo: .d
ozbot: 8.001 billion | Next Diff in 646 blocks | Estimated Change: 8.5841% in 4d 2h 9m 13s
benkay: 24 hr metrics broken, mod6 ?
thestringpuller: hustle that ATC
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12550 @ 0.00088215 = 11.071 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: Might have been 24+ hours without a trade
Apocalyptic: the market is just dead
Apocalyptic: mod6, seen, that's why 0 as high/low/vwap is misleading
pankkake: %book
Apocalyptic: and why i chose to return n/a instead
atcbot: 75k@235 25k@234 0k@230 | 8k@195 90k@156 10k@155
pankkake: %diff
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 455357.13 Est. Next Diff: 144827.55 in 1417 blocks (#32256) Est. % Change: -68.19
Apocalyptic: pankkake, ATC needs your miners !
pankkake: I got one block in like two weeks
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 20 @ 0.07180046 = 1.436 BTC [+] {10}
mike_c: thestringpuller: the action? not following you.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8270 @ 0.00088001 = 7.2777 BTC [-] {2}
benkay: ;;gettrust princessnell
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user benkay to user princessnell: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=princessnell | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=princessnell | Rated since: never
kakobrekla: artifexd if it makes you feel any better theres no req limit on the api
artifexd: Eh. I was just trying to avoid having to maintain state.
mod6: Apocalyptic: ok, im about to test out a fix for that.
mod6: this look better? [X-BT] Bid: 195 Ask: 230 Last Price: 195 24h-Vol: 0k High: N/A Low: N/A VWAP: N/A
kakobrekla: artifexd myea alright i see what i can do
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 28 @ 0.041 = 1.148 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40570 @ 0.00088035 = 35.7158 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31051 @ 0.00087905 = 27.2954 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.074 = 1.48 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.46499995 = 2.325 BTC [-] {4}
benkay: lol cats: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-Sbt345jkk
BingoBoingo: Damn, cats
pankkake: French cats!
Apocalyptic: <mod6> [19:32:31] this look better? [X-BT] Bid: 195 Ask: 230 Last Price: 195 24h-Vol: 0k High: N/A Low: N/A VWAP: N/A // yes
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13942 @ 0.00088101 = 12.283 BTC [+]
mod6: ok i'll merge that in then Apocalyptic thanks
mod6: ok merged, but will leave in the incubator until there is at least 1 trade so can ensure that I didn't break normal functionallity.
mod6: ok seems to be working
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.46020052 = 2.301 BTC [-] {3}
mod6: %tslb
atcbot: 1 hour 34 minutes and 42 seconds
mod6 pulls out the abacus
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 25 @ 0.041 = 1.025 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: trilema commenter sez, "I used to be more than happy to find this internet"
mircea_popescu: http://www.worldtribune.com/2014/05/07/report-50-injured-blast-iran-nuke-site-storage-facility/
ozbot: Huge blast reported near secret Iran nuclear site; City of Qazvin closed - World Tribune | Worl
mircea_popescu: "Bitstamp’s accounting system rounds trading fees to pennies. To greatly reduce the impact of this rounding for our clients the minimum trade amount is being raised to $5.00." ahahaha
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 49 @ 0.041 = 2.009 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: the private statement to me 2 years ago was they are working on new trading engine btw.
mike_c: too busy buying lambos
kakobrekla: teslas actually.
mircea_popescu: la-la-la-bimbo!
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 8 @ 0.0747 = 0.5976 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 56 @ 0.041 = 2.296 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: <Apocalyptic> <LadyRainicorn> And everything insightful I write lingers with like 5 upvotes. << truely summed up. especially the part where some random self-absorbed nobody is whining about how the world isn't more impressed with them
mircea_popescu: by the way, the last bond auction was a slaughter. yield ended up 3.44% (up from issuance), and the dealers kinda smelled of panic.
mike_c: t-bonds??
mircea_popescu: Scott Skyrm If 5 years of near 0% interest rates isn't sufficiently helping the housing market, then maybe the problem lies elsewhere
mircea_popescu: Mircea Popescu You know, plenty of corpses have been keeping very strict diets, doesn't seem to have improved their health.
davout: mike_c: what happened with justcoin?
mircea_popescu: mike_c yes 30 year ts
mike_c: davout: dunno what the bug was, but they were reporting a btc price 1000x too high and it hosed bitcoinaverage.com
davout: maybe kakobrekla fixed the wrong API
mike_c: lol
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.46 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20900 @ 0.0008788 = 18.3669 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.46 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> there is no 'cloud.' only - other people's hard disks. << you have to appreciate the infantile worldview. there is no "my house" as far as teenagers go, just the place other people pay the mortgage on. nevertheless...
mircea_popescu: http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2014/05/report-journalists-are-miserable-over-educated-under-paid-middle-aged-men-mostly/361891/
ozbot: Report: Journalists Are Miserable, Liberal, Over-Educated, Under-Paid, Middle-Aged Men - Derek Thomp
mircea_popescu: turns out working for the bureaucracy sucks these days. whoi could have guessed.
mircea_popescu: <Apocalyptic> <benkay> but i wouldn't build a bridge out of Al. // some people did << duraluminum. not a bad choice, esp if your bridge is to submerge.
mircea_popescu: fluffypony> "@fluffypony: When you have been here long enough you do learn that << who's the clueless fuckwit ?
benkay: just the place other people pay the mortgage on </ you know i'm more than happy to help with the payments if i can stick my girl in it.
benkay: !up frank1e
assbot: Voicing frank1e for 30 minutes.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 140 @ 0.0745 = 10.43 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.46 = 0.92 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: <mike_c> i don't keep up much on havelol, just found out they've been running in the red the last few months! << did they publish this ?
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: the guys that said they'd been around for so long they even knew about Namworld's scammingz
fluffypony: SymStep
fluffypony: here's my reply: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=551698.msg6615774#msg6615774
mircea_popescu: lol which namworld scammings are those ?
mike_c: sorta. they released their quarterly report to shareholders only and some guy republished it
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.46 = 0.92 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/a-complete-theory-of-economics/#comment-99655 << here's a good bit of history re namworld, which got dug up by a different convo recently.
ozbot: A complete theory of economics pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: i dun think the guy's scamming anyone.
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: they were trying to be clever and demonstrate their knowledge of the sub-culture because they're "been around" for so long
fluffypony: Namworld's reply to them was "I mean among so many outright scams to choose for, that you mention me being late on repayment on loan repayment based on a single post in the middle of a thread."
mircea_popescu: in other news, i've been around long enough to know him as namjies. which is what your noob'd know him as too, if he actually HAD been around for as long as he claims.
mircea_popescu: which is why things such as got milk are so motherfucking important
mike_c: havelol quarterly report (gdocs not my fault): https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxnW49twNMNbX0tic1N6VVpaV28/edit?pli=1
mircea_popescu: we can tell the dragons from the pretentious bats quite readily, because of such small little barbs on yggdrasil.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.453 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: mike_c a yes that. turns out i been behind on my lolreports. was busy lately
mike_c: life is too short for staying up to date on HIF.
Apocalyptic: ^
Apocalyptic: on * havelock stock
mircea_popescu: well it's better than monthy python re-runs
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71650 @ 0.00087809 = 62.9151 BTC [-] {5}
mircea_popescu: <mike_c> http://i.imgur.com/oDRuMjF.png << o look, there's a price signal!
mike_c: quick, excercise your calls
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.453 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: <mike_c> the lost bitbet. http://bitbet.us/bet/128/ << that's the checksum bitbet.
mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic> and why i chose to return n/a instead << good call.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.453 = 0.906 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.453 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.074899 = 0.2996 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell thickasthieves http://trilema.com/2014/what-happens-when-you-add-a-drop-of-sewage-to-a-bottle-of-fine-wine/#comment-99670 see, why can't you be more like her!
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: Subject: Inside Bitcoins Tel-Aviv
mircea_popescu: From: "Nimrod Nimi Gruber" <bit.box.atm@gmail.com>
mircea_popescu: I would like to offer you to sponsor a big International conference produced by Mediabistro on July 28-29 at the Hilton Tel-Aviv hotel. The event will attract between 500 to 1500 attendees from all over the world and is the biggest and most professional in its field. If you can refer me to the right person so i can send him all the details it would be great!
mircea_popescu: Thank you so much, Nimrod Gruber Inside Bitcoins Tel-Aviv Skype: nimrodg41 Cell: +972-52-4442838
mircea_popescu: dudes just email me now asking for shit. because why the fuck not.
mircea_popescu: anyone know this nimrod ?
mod6: haha
BingoBoingo: I'm going to guess Jewish. Prolly knows or knows of Meni Rosenfeld
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 43 @ 0.00281042 = 0.1208 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo to me it sounds like it's a made up name, srsly.
BingoBoingo: Sounds so made up it might have to be real.
mircea_popescu: hm that's a point.
mod6: guess this guy is on fb: https://he-il.facebook.com/nimiG
mod6: could be a fake account i guess.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 15 @ 0.041 = 0.615 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: mod6 o look at that. porsche just rang my doorbell. they're the most professional carmaker, cold calling door to door.
mircea_popescu: i bought a lawnmower and three toothbrushes.
BingoBoingo: http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2014/05/08/sign_a_pdf_with_mac_os_x_s_preview_application.html
ozbot: Sign a PDF with Mac OS X’s Preview application.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0313001 = 0.1565 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 30 @ 0.007 = 0.21 BTC [+]
benkay: biggest and most professional!
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 97 @ 0.041 = 3.977 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 85 @ 0.041 = 3.485 BTC [-]
fluffypony: benkay: all that's missing is the "EVER"!
mircea_popescu: fluffypony btw are you ignoring my q re vertcoin or just didn't see it ?
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: which one?
fluffypony: oh wait
fluffypony: assbot was off
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11334 @ 0.00088094 = 9.9846 BTC [+]
fluffypony: so I think my replies weren't logged
mircea_popescu: ouch
mircea_popescu: but no cause i was idling or not
fluffypony: lemme pull up my logs
mircea_popescu: danke
mircea_popescu: so in this twiotter discussion about whores and politicians, it occured to me : wouldn't iot be great if some state, like say nevada, limited political office to whores only for a decade ?
mircea_popescu: just to see what happens.
fluffypony: oh it did get logged
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-05-2014#665705 ☝︎
mircea_popescu: fluffypony no argument, yeah. but, you basically committed to the thing ? or what's the plan there ?
pankkake: http://www.parti-du-plaisir.com/ their ideas are dumb as fuck though
ozbot: Cindy Lee | Parti du Plaisir | Parti du Plaisir
mircea_popescu: pankkake yeah because of this meta- and pretense bs. they can't make a whore party, they gotta make a pretend-whore sorta-like party except stupid.
mircea_popescu: it's despicable.
mircea_popescu: dude, make the whore party the whore party. to be accepted you gotta have the clap.
benkay: ew
mircea_popescu: no.
mircea_popescu: no fucking ew. lick the smelly spot beotch.
benkay: i ain't your whore.
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: yes - we structured it as: I own 50%, Peter owns 50%, we've diluted our shareholding (equally) for the IPO. he does all the work, I operate as chairman of the board (which currently consists of me and me alone, that will change later)
davout: pankkake: ty, my voter's card will finally be of some use
fluffypony: by "all the work" I mean management, not actual work :-P
pankkake: I don't you will be able to vote for them
pankkake: didn't even look up what's coming for EU elections
BingoBoingo: On that note I'll be headed back to the doctor soon. If I don't reappear within a few hours start praying for my testicles.
mircea_popescu: benkay ok you can spray disinfectant first o.O
mircea_popescu: fluffypony for vertcoin this ?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo you had three anyway right ?
bounce: so, you have a company that... has a chairman and a middle manager and that's it?
pankkake: "Cannabis sans frontières — Stop la prohibition" eh, maybe I'll vote after all
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: initially, it's architected for other coins, so they'll be added as time progresses
fluffypony: bounce: no
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Who really knows at this point?
benkay: light stinging on the cunt, eh? i'm a little more interested but it's STILL FILTHY.
mircea_popescu: fluffypony i see. okay.
davout: pankkake: lol, you junkie
pankkake: I don't even do drugs
davout: well then you're a sneaky bastard, wanting to legalize them so others are slower so you have some edge on them
mircea_popescu: he's just angsty :D
mircea_popescu: benkay filth is good for you.
mircea_popescu: do you know carlin's piece ?
BingoBoingo: davout: That's kind of my position on the issue
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 50 @ 0.041 = 2.05 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic you consider adding the vertcoin thing ? or not doing scrypt coins ?
pankkake: last time I voted, it was for https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicolas_Miguet
mircea_popescu: "Il est le fondateur et le président du parti politique Rassemblement des contribuables français (RCF) et a été élu conseiller municipal de Verneuil-sur-Avre en 1989 et en 1995."
mircea_popescu: lol ok. pankkake voted for the old man's "GET OFF MY LAWN" party.
pankkake: not really. it's the "taxes are bad" party, but he's nothing (there are actual taxpayers associations, with actual members)
pankkake: the old man party is Chasse, Pèche Nature et Traditions (hunting, fishing, nature and traditions)
mircea_popescu: Qu'est-ce que cette "voyoucratie patronale" ?
pankkake: voyou = bad guy, so "ceo badguycracy"
pankkake: hard to translate something that has little sense
mircea_popescu: aha
mircea_popescu: failed to parse for me too, i brieflythought he is fighting the tendency of ceo types to buy telescopes to spy into the bedrooms and showers of lonely milfs.
pankkake: ahah, voyeur
pankkake: he's definitively a shady guy
davout: pankkake: "Pèche"
mircea_popescu: how do you say sin ?
davout: that's the way you say it :-)
mircea_popescu: lolk
pankkake: Pêche :|
davout: fishing is Pêche
davout: also peach
pankkake: Péché is Sin
davout: pèche is "to sin"
mircea_popescu: not has sinned ?
mircea_popescu: pècher to sin
davout: "il pèche" -> "he sins"
davout: no, "pécher"
mircea_popescu: and with that the catholicisme francais class is dismissed.
davout: XD
davout: français, please
mircea_popescu: i don't believe in shitting on the character set.
davout: our c's are manly
mircea_popescu: çharaçter set ıf you prefer.
davout: this burns my eyes
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the infantile worldview. there is no "my house" as far as teenagers go, just the place other people pay the mortgage on << i still think we're dealing with 'poverty of the spirit, not the flesh.' people fall for the 'cloud' crapola out of... sloth. don't wanna buy a disk, i'll use this stranger's. don't wanna find toilet, i'll shit where i stand. etc
pankkake: hēhëhě
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform perhaps. hard to find out what goes on in the mind of the bovine.
davout: prions
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the bovine will go where the herder points. the sad part is all the folks who ought to know better.
mircea_popescu: davout do you know what's the last thing going through a fly's head as it crashes on the windshield ?
asciilifeform: its thorax.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform as a romanian exercise, translate http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-05-2014#665780 ? ☝︎
mod6: asciilifeform: haha
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform hehe exactly. or w/e, its head.
davout: mircea_popescu: known but good
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell namworld https://bitcointa.lk/threads/pre-ipo-symmetric-step-trading.292080/page-4#post-6205001 we lolled.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: flock goes where shepherd points, not where sheep brays ?
mircea_popescu: exactly.
asciilifeform: fucked that one up didnt i
asciilifeform: ah ok
mircea_popescu: the flock goes the way the shepherd wants, not the way the sheeps bray.
benkay: there are miles between sloth and knowing one's speciality, asciilifeform.
mircea_popescu: fluffypony https://bitcointa.lk/threads/pre-ipo-symmetric-step-trading.292080/page-4#post-6318694 make that 2011 to really bother him. i don't think ANYONE from 2011 or prior isn't in the wot tbh.
mircea_popescu: http://www.aei-ideas.org/2014/04/creative-destruction-2013-newspaper-ad-revenue-continued-its-precipitous-free-fall-and-its-probably-not-over-yet/
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: yeah they live in a little world of delusion. idiots.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37883 @ 0.00088107 = 33.3776 BTC [+] {2}
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: re: the fly: old joke - 'Штирлицу выстрелили в голову. "Разрывная"- подумал он пораскинув мозгами.'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform brains what ?
benkay: anecdotally, a client in the political business tells me that web advertising budgets are just touching 10% of the overall campaign budget (the bulk of the remaining 90% is...television)
asciilifeform: (Stierlitz [film hero] gets shot in the head. 'it must be a dum-dum,' thought Stierlitz, racking his brains.'
mircea_popescu: lol
fluffypony: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=600628.0
pankkake: benkay: well, gotta target the dumb
ozbot: BitcoinBourse: the biggest scam in Bitcoin securities today
fluffypony: "if you were foolish enough to buy their very own "BBS" IPO shares at 0.1 BTC each you would have earned a whopping 0.00007138 BTC in dividends in 7 months. You can expect to recover your investment in about 9813 months (818 years) at the current average dividend. If you're particularly lucky and they hit their Nov 2013 dividend high every month you can expect to recover your investment in a mere 1676 months (140 years)."
fluffypony: l.o.l.
mircea_popescu: benkay television is not bad a venue for a) detergent b) politics.
pankkake: wait, I thought you were r-y-s, fluffypony
pankkake: anyway, no reason one would advertise on newspapers when there's the web. cheaper, stats, targetting, etc.
pankkake: nor any reason to read newspapers
mircea_popescu: pankkake old style, affluent, powerful people read newspapers. like moi.
mircea_popescu: except... joe blow politician prolly can't get in there anyway
pankkake: I thought their only sales left were retirement homes
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: actual, dead-tree newspapers?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not as much as used to be the case, the craft is slowly dieing.
pankkake: and of course public libraries and other kinds of subsidy laundering
mircea_popescu: pankkake divers industry publications are still run as if it were 1970
fluffypony: pankkake: I'm proslimbs_inc
mircea_popescu: say the romanian central bank's thing or w/e.
fluffypony: although I see my Glorious Investment of IPO thread got deleted
pankkake: right, but I'm talking about generic newspapers about news
pankkake: specialized publication is far from dead, except perhaps the IT one
mircea_popescu: that's a joke.
bounce: that the thing with three warring sockpuppets?
fluffypony: bounce: yes
mircea_popescu: fluffypony wow so it was you ?
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: pankkake asked me a few minutes after I posted it
mircea_popescu: linking to that trilema pic ?
mircea_popescu: i must have missed it
fluffypony: yeah I faked the BitcoinBourse listing as well
asciilifeform: u.s. trade mags grew thinner in the '90s, then 'fattened' again with ad crapola, like the proverbial swollen torso of the starving african.
fluffypony: twas a fun troll
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform only select trades tho. as he said, it trade mags are a joke
mircea_popescu: generally anything with a lot of marketing and advertising presence. retail stuff and so on.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.074 = 0.296 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: also in many non-english places. i used to read la nacion in cr.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 7 @ 0.041 = 0.287 BTC [-]
benkay: 'lo princessnell
mircea_popescu: !up princesswell
assbot: Voicing princesswell for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: !up princessnell
assbot: Voicing princessnell for 30 minutes.
TomServo: How do you folks imagine farming and BTC will interact?
mircea_popescu: TomServo farming what ? cows ? wows ?
princessnell: hiya
TomServo: Cows, agriculture.. the food supply basically
benkay: ;;ident princessnell
gribble: Nick 'princessnell', with hostmask 'princessnell!d0b9aa4a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.208.185.170.74', is not identified.
benkay: i thought you had this sorted, pincess
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37224 @ 0.00088144 = 32.8107 BTC [+] {2}
davout: from the bitstamp fee thread:
mircea_popescu: TomServo no idea.
davout: "tl;dr To some it might look like a hack, but it's a solid hack, so no complaints from me."
mircea_popescu: davout clearly he'd know.
davout: a minimum trade amount to hide the fact their engine still can't count, solid hack for sure
fluffypony: "FEC, in ruling 6-0, says Bitcoin contribs to pol committees will be treated as in-kind contributions--same as stocks, other items of value."
fluffypony: Bitcoin early adopters can now buy their very own politicain!
fluffypony: *politician
princessnell: i thought so too :-/
mircea_popescu: princessnell what's the snag ?
benkay: so first off is princessnell on the wot you?
benkay: ;;gettrust princessnell
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user benkay to user princessnell: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=princessnell | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=princessnell | Rated since: never
princessnell: benkay is kindly helping me figure it out
TomServo: mircea_popescu: You, no idea?! I'm shocked.
bounce: pfft. money means not having to have your own ideas.
benkay: bounce: money means being able to put steel behind your ideas.
bounce: no, that's being a country
benkay: troll
mircea_popescu: http://pastebin.com/E2pKFuJS << log from before assbot logged
ozbot: Feb 06 20:13:15 <mircea_popescu>http://polimedia.us/dtng/c/src/136012108784.jpg - Pastebin.com
bounce: tell it the potus
mircea_popescu: mar 2013
mircea_popescu: TomServo i don't have that many ideas, i just reuse a few.
mircea_popescu: !up chetty
assbot: Voicing chetty for 30 minutes.
chetty: TomServo, I have a friend in Mexico with a small farm, already using BTC to buy/sell locally
benkay: ;;eauth benkay
gribble: Request successful for user benkay, hostmask benkay!~user@2600:4402:c002:3::854:fb5e. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/2AFA1A9FD2D031DA
davout: benkay: http://nakedcellist.org/
davout: i'll just leave this here
benkay: ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:fcb305dbacd9bdd66cdd9bad1d0db50c29c66d1ecf1d4853a00bd0c0
gribble: You are now authenticated for user benkay with key 2AFA1A9FD2D031DA
asciilifeform: re: potus, whores:
asciilifeform: ;;google plumpy interns taking turns many wonderful returns
gribble: Ex-Googler Being Micromanaged | Sergey's Crawler Fast as Light ...: <http://blogoscoped.com/archive/2005-11-28.html>; THE GOOGLE STORY. DAVID A. VISE WITH MARK MALSEED ...: <http://yanko.lib.ru/books/internet/google_story.htm>; The Google Story | Sotheavy Chea - Academia.edu: <http://www.academia.edu/1269744/The_Google_Story>
benkay: right on davout
mircea_popescu: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFtflcbcDF0
ozbot: Pizda Cu Motor By JeLLeU - YouTube
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10150 @ 0.00088068 = 8.9389 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: http://publiceditor.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/05/08/warren-buffett-joe-nocera-and-fessing-up-to-readers/
benkay: ;;ident princessnell
gribble: Nick 'princessnell', with hostmask 'princessnell!d0b9aa4a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.208.185.170.74', is identified as user 'princessnell', with GPG key id 460D29821C8956A4, key fingerprint 4CD44F67A64D9DFBD0E0E0CA460D29821C8956A4, and bitcoin address None
benkay: ;;rate princessnell first princess of bitcoin
gribble: Error: 'first' is not a valid integer.
mircea_popescu: god help you if you live in a soviet revolutionary state and dare piss on the politburo's most recent taxidermy exhibit.
benkay: ;;rate princessnell 1 first princess of bitcoin
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user princessnell has been recorded.
benkay: ;;gettrust assbot princessnell
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask princessnell!d0b9aa4a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.208.185.170.74. Trust relationship from user assbot to user princessnell: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=princessnell | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=princessnell | Rated since: Thu May 8 16:20:29 2014
mircea_popescu: i should bash the very valid gribble observation. "first" is indeed not a valid integer.
benkay: !down princessnell
benkay: now up yourself, princessnell /msg assbot !up
princessnell: woo! finally wotxcore
princessnell: thank you benkay
mircea_popescu: we accept women in the treefort now ?!
mircea_popescu: what is this, puberty ?
princessnell: there goes the neighborhood
princessnell: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics/wp/2014/05/08/federal-election-commission-approves-bitcoin-donations-to-political-committees/
ozbot: Federal Election Commission approves bitcoin donations to political committees
chetty: lmao, thats not new MP
davout: mircea_popescu: there are already a couple
benkay: trolled u all.
mircea_popescu: davout that's ok, women should be a couple.
davout: XD
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.465 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 272 @ 0.041 = 11.152 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42150 @ 0.00087711 = 36.9702 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: o look at that, tsla trading 170s ?!
mike_c: panic sell!
mircea_popescu: did they have a battery explode and burn a bunch of 5 yo blonde white girls ? or what ?
mircea_popescu: wasn't it trading 250s ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0315 = 0.1575 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0748989 = 0.1498 BTC [+]
mike_c: yes, and it beat estimates last quarter
mircea_popescu: mike_c didja identify the event that lead to that 30% drop btw ?
mircea_popescu grins.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.03199983 = 0.16 BTC [+] {4}
mike_c: btcalpha wrote an article on tesla.
mike_c: price dropped 30%
mircea_popescu: makes sense
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0315 = 0.1575 BTC [+] {2}
asciilifeform: !up chetty
assbot: Voicing chetty for 30 minutes.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 97 @ 0.00446586 = 0.4332 BTC [-] {2}
mike_c: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 299762 | Current Difficulty: 8.0008721359681635E9 | Next Difficulty At Block: 300383 | Next Difficulty In: 621 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 3 days, 20 hours, and 0 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 8688849012.3 | Estimated Percent Change: 8.59877
benkay: !up blueocean
assbot: Voicing blueocean for 30 minutes.
benkay: blueocean: you know if you join channels before you turn on your hostmask we can all see where you're connecting from
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23200 @ 0.00087711 = 20.349 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0740001 = 0.148 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 3 @ 0.0425 = 0.1275 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.074 = 0.148 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 1 @ 0.145 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.074 = 0.148 BTC [-]
benkay: http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702303417104579544072639525550?mg=reno64-wsj&url=http%3A%2F%2Fonline.wsj.com%2Farticle%2FSB10001424052702303417104579544072639525550.html
benkay: "Mr. Anderson acknowledged that technical hurdles and cost considerations have turned the initial vision into a distant dream."
benkay: cold fusion, asteroid mining..."just ten years away!"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 4 @ 0.0425 = 0.17 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 101 @ 0.0410297 = 4.144 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.074 = 0.148 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 3 @ 0.0425 = 0.1275 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: ;;later tell mike_c http://bitbet.us/stats/ + ?json is up
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34850 @ 0.00087706 = 30.5655 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: benkay two weeks!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49750 @ 0.00087655 = 43.6084 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 3 @ 0.1333333 = 0.4 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: ;;rate csshih 1 Flashlights delivered
gribble: Error: For identification purposes, you must be authenticated to use the rating system.
BingoBoingo: ;;rate csshih 1 Flashlights delivered
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user csshih has been recorded.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 9 @ 0.0425 = 0.3825 BTC [+]
TomServo is thankful for not having to pray for BingoBoingo's testicles.
asciilifeform misread as 'fleshlights'
BingoBoingo: flashlights may or may not be euphamism
pankkake: http://www.coindesk.com/bitcoin-foundation-announces-blockchain-awards-shortlist/ top lel
mike_c: kakobrekla: looking good!
pankkake: http://games.slashdot.org/story/14/05/08/1910227/the-next-unreal-tournament-totally-free-developed-by-public Epic copying MiniGame
ozbot: The Next Unreal Tournament: Totally Free, Developed By Public - Slashdot
mike_c: an award for "best ATM design".. awesome.
pankkake: is "ATM" used outside of the US?
mike_c: what do you call them?
pankkake: I believe it means ass to mouth to most of the world
mike_c: heh.
pankkake: distributeur, i.e. distributor
mircea_popescu: !up michiel_l_
assbot: Voicing michiel_l_ for 30 minutes.
michiel_l_: hi mircea_popescu, thx
mircea_popescu: yw
kakobrekla: mike_c your glasses are now facebook glasses http://newsroom.fb.com/news/2014/03/facebook-to-acquire-oculus/
kakobrekla: but you prolly already knew that.
davout: hory shet http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=xCghuT0Cx7E#t=249
fluffypony: pankkake: we use ATM here
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19150 @ 0.00087672 = 16.7892 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: http://txdoc.tumblr.com/post/74764238292
ozbot: Married White Wives Love BBC
fluffypony: I'm starting to suspect that the bulk of the AMC "investors" need their heads read
mircea_popescu: a btc psychiatrist would do brisk biznis
jurov: they need what?
jurov: ah psychiatry...but who'd pay for that ? their "investors"?
jurov starts IPO for dotcoin psychiatric examination
jurov: best when disguised on bitcoin bourse itself
fluffypony: of cours
jurov: !up mjr_
assbot: Voicing mjr_ for 30 minutes.
jurov: poor mjr_
jurov: i fear his satoshi squares got regulated
mike_c: kakobrekla: yeah, not happy about that.
fluffypony: wtf
fluffypony: I got accused of being MP *again*
fluffypony: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=462370.msg6621186#msg6621186
ozbot: [ActiveMining] Official Shareholder Discussion Thread [Moderated]
davout: "jurov starts IPO for dotcoin psychiatric examination" <<< shut up and take my money
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20150 @ 0.00087672 = 17.6659 BTC [+]
jurov puts his blackhat on and goes after kakobrekla
jurov: http://bitbet.us/stats/1JfDCqAV5EGtVx1tezT79uocfThcJviAKS/?json is not valid json
jurov: ValueError: Expecting , delimiter: line 1 column 1338 (char 1337)
jurov: 1337, but invalid
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35800 @ 0.00087593 = 31.3583 BTC [-]
davout: jurov: seems to load fine for me
kakobrekla: jurov argues double quote is not properly escaped or some such
jurov: mea culpa,
jurov: i copypasted it instead of properly fetching it
pankkake: fluffypony: it's amazing how the MP paranoia spread
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
fluffypony: yeah
fluffypony: it seems to be the knee-jerk reaction when someone says something you don't agree with on the securities sub-foru
fluffypony: *forum
pankkake: my psychologist take is that it's more convenient to have one dissenter. you're more right because numbers
pankkake: or paid by someone. activemining "trolls" were said to be paid by… hashfast
pankkake: I wonder why pbkdf2 has such a horrible name. perhaps a NSA conspiracy so no one uses it
davout: http://techcrunch.com/2014/05/08/bitpay-index/
ozbot: BitPay Is Raising $30M At A $160M Valuation From Index, Richard Branson | TechCrunch
pankkake: I'm not sure why they would even need that
davout: pankkake: probably getting msb licenses in 50 states
davout: might not even be enough
davout: expanding to europe
pankkake: well, I hope it's something like that
davout: cutting a middle-man by opening an exchange
davout: who knows
pankkake: BitPay already werks in EU
davout: like the msb license thing?
pankkake: probably not
davout: bitpay has an office in amsterdam, they're not licensed in any way which is going to be necessary for them
davout: if they want to do business in europe
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4337 @ 0.00087672 = 3.8023 BTC [+]
mike_c: http://jsonlint.com/ didn't complain
ozbot: JSONLint - The JSON Validator.
mike_c: oh, sorry, missed backtrack
pankkake: what is there to lint in json? it's a pretty strict format
mike_c: nothing to 'lint', it's just a handy verifier
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.03159196 = 0.1264 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 8 @ 0.0313001 = 0.2504 BTC [-] {2}
kakobrekla: even jsonlint doesnt fail on jurovs url
mike_c: yeah, it's right (like jurov said)
mircea_popescu: * jurov starts IPO for dotcoin psychiatric examination << this
mircea_popescu: you could like, take their money anbd then provide help in the ipo threa
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30150 @ 0.00087977 = 26.5251 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: <fluffypony> I got accused of being MP *again* << and what's your point ?
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: that the accusation makes no sense
mircea_popescu: https://imgur.com/gallery/IVAts?no-script=true << if anyone needs visual aids for the tardstalk forum
ozbot: Girls are graceful, god dammit. - Imgur
mircea_popescu: ;;ud sense
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=sense | something you can make, but only if you are born with it, althoug everyone has 5, some people can have 6 or more as well. You can also have a sense...
ozbot: Urban Dictionary: sense
mircea_popescu: never heard of it.
fluffypony: it's like they are honestly convinced that the only person who could be critical is you
fluffypony: anyone else who is critical must be you
mircea_popescu: don't take it so hard : maybe anyone whose head works must be me.
fluffypony: well my reply got deleted by the thread moderator
mircea_popescu: serves you right, me.
fluffypony: apparently I wasn't circlejerky enough
fluffypony: how dare I question the Great Kennith
mircea_popescu: who ?
fluffypony: Sir Kennith Slaughter
fluffypony: Owner Extrodinaire
mircea_popescu: lol is the spelling accurate ?
fluffypony: nfi
fluffypony: maybe it's Kenneth
mircea_popescu: wait, you are actually in the active miner thread arguing with people ?
fluffypony: I was for all of 2 posts
fluffypony: 3 maybe
mircea_popescu: ::rate fluffypony -1 has no inkling of a clue as to what time management is
fluffypony: hah hah
pankkake: I do not check the "remember me" case anymore, it helps
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 77 @ 0.00603234 = 0.4645 BTC [-] {8}
pankkake: http://www.businessinsider.com/apple-to-buy-beats-2014-5
ozbot: Apple To Buy Beats - Business Insider
jurov: flyypy hopes to get on your payroll
jurov: *fluffy
fluffypony: jurov: I was actually trying to be helpful, I just get a bit snarky and sarcastic when I'm being helpful to morons
fluffypony: apparently they didn't appreciate my wit.
mircea_popescu: so i've been having this weeklong discussion with this polish economist guy. the results are the most fucking improbable shit. for instance... i just comitted to the proposition that there's no such thing as "fixed income" and the whole class is nonsense.
mircea_popescu: i will end up kidnapped by senior finance types and fucking burned at the stake for my numerous heresies.
fluffypony: lol
kakobrekla: ;;later tell artifexd bitbet.us/browse/ now supports ?json
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10288 @ 0.00088023 = 9.0558 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: at any rate, i tell you, this is why i'm in bitcoin. like once or even twice a month i have this "omfg i can not believe what i'm arguing" moment.
mircea_popescu: entirely novel experience for me.
mircea_popescu: also this line appears in the log as #666555
mircea_popescu: 111 to go.
fluffypony: nice
kakobrekla: 109
kakobrekla: who will be the lucky winner
mircea_popescu: urmom 108 ?
dub: 1'm in bitcoin cause ur mom is in bitcoin and im in ur mom
fluffypony: deep
fluffypony: very deep
mircea_popescu: in urmom.
fluffypony: ;;seen urmom
gribble: I have not seen urmom.
fluffypony: damn straight, gribble.
mircea_popescu: https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu/status/464545309935542272
ozbot: Twitter / Mircea_Popescu: "<dub> 1'm in #bitcoin ...
mircea_popescu: ;;google 97
gribble: HOT 97 | Where Hip Hop Lives: <http://www.hot97.com/>; 97 (number) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/97_(number)>; 96.9 Buffalo's 97 Rock - Buffalo: <http://www.wgrf.com/>
mircea_popescu: wikipedia has a page dedicated to the number 97 ? bouvard & pecuchet live!
mircea_popescu: ~This article does not cite any references or sources.~
mircea_popescu: 97 (ninety-seven) is the natural number following 96 and preceding 98.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18759 @ 0.00088089 = 16.5246 BTC [+] {3}
fluffypony: sleep time, night
jurov: https://media.gractions.com/314A5A5A9ABBBBC5E3BD824CF47C46EF4B9D3A76/5f8d4168-c36a-4f78-b048-f5d48b18dc0a.pdf
jurov: ^ about silkroad 2.0 and clones
kakobrekla: mp: the title on the bet is expanded now
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla love you!
jurov: About assassination market: The target that had “amassed” the biggest bounty surprised us. That person is not an elected official. We decided to not include that person’s name here
jurov: hm... any guess?
mircea_popescu: me ?
jurov: lol
jurov: i actually don't know myself
jurov: We will say that the fund to assassinate
jurov: this person was up to 124.22 bitcoins, or around $124,220
jurov: imo not very serious
benkay: ben bernanke?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 157 @ 0.07612777 = 11.9521 BTC [+] {9}
jurov: he is elected in some sense, no?
mircea_popescu: notrly, but they prolly don't know what words mean so ok
mike_c: karpales?
mike_c: *eles
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 91 @ 0.07776858 = 7.0769 BTC [+] {4}
jurov: i don;t have access to tor atm, someone else can check... but it's fun to guess, no?
jurov: i'm guessing bieber
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 350 @ 0.00051 = 0.1785 BTC [-]
moiety: evening
mircea_popescu: moiety hey
moiety: how's your day been?
mircea_popescu: jurov maybe it's satoshi
mircea_popescu: pretty great
pankkake: the guy won't add things like bieber
pankkake: and the assmarket hasn't seen much action even after the news coverage
pankkake: IIRC number one is bernanke, second obama
kakobrekla: <assbot> [MPEX] [S.BBET] 350 @ 0.00051 = 0.1785 BTC [-] < clearly i should not be adding any more features to bbet, shareholders have spoken.
benkay: today's fun adventures in openssl!
kakobrekla: in fact, let me undo todays work right away!
benkay: on one of the many many many api's available for derping through openssl, loading the public key in first and then the private key results in garbage out
benkay: BUT DONE THE OTHER WAY IT WORKS!
benkay: kakobrekla: also for some reason my rss reader started complaining about bitbet.us/rss/new/ today.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.03103945 = 0.2483 BTC [-] {4}
pankkake: http://i.imgur.com/BPTVguN.png
moiety: site was attacked yesterday. up and fixed now though
kakobrekla: benkay anything specific ?
benkay: trying to figure it out :(
benkay: it's a derpy reader.
artifexd: mircea_popescu: There's an entire website dedicated to how numbers are interesting: http://numbersapi.com/ There's lots of cool stuff in there.
moiety: pankkake: seems some's dead pools are more popular than others lol
artifexd: For example: http://numbersapi.com/199/trivia
artifexd: kakobrekla: Sweet. Thanks!
mircea_popescu: artifexd yeah but...
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla lol
artifexd: I only brought it up because you were talking about number entries in wikipedia
mircea_popescu: but i mean... a collection of trivialities is not an encyclopedia
artifexd: I didn't mean to imply that it was. It is just a source of useless (but interesting to me) information. That's it. I didn't mean anything deep or important. Just a "hey, there's this thing that you may, or may not, find interesting".
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 76 @ 0.07852529 = 5.9679 BTC [+] {6}