benkay: a contract covering work for pay is an interesting beast. should it include an address for payment so that when published in the event of breach anyone can verify that payment was not made?
benkay: this is a purely theoretical question.
mircea_popescu: it's a field in which a lot of experimental work still has to be poured before we really know
benkay: and jurov how dare you intimate that anyone sent me any btc?! i live in the states! they'd put me in the gasenwagen!
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.0220031 = 0.22 BTC [-]
benkay: i disavow receipt of any btc.
danielpbarron: i include the address in the signed contract for exactly that reason
benkay: handles are getting creative.
benkay: are there any -assets blessed crypto-only exchanges?
assbot: Open letter to federal scum - Pastebin.com
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.0220031 = 0.22 BTC [-]
benkay: princessnell: is that real life?
princessnell: benkay 'if you see it in MOTHERBOARD, it's so'
artifexd: I could really use some advice. I find myself in a position that I, honestly, never expected.
artifexd: The company for which I work is being bought.
artifexd: It is a small company. Less than 20 people.
artifexd: Any thoughts or advice for me? Is there any extra information I can provide that would help get better advice?
mircea_popescu: off twitter : Her: “Will you try a veggie burger for lunch?” Me: “Sure, if the bun's made out of steak.”
mircea_popescu: artifexd you could help a lot by explaining what exactly are you trying to get advice for
dignork: artifexd: M&A is fun, if you are bought by a bigger company, try to inflate your position now, might get moar money
mircea_popescu: sleeping with the acquirer's wife ? keeping your red stapler ? how to cook a veggie burger with a steak bun ?
artifexd: That's the thing. I don't know what advice I need.
artifexd: Goal number 1: As much money in a lump payment as possible.
Azelphur: mircea_popescu: I wanna know how to cook a veggie burger with a steak bun, sounds tasty.
artifexd: Goal number 2: Maintain the autonomy that I have enjoyed for the last few years.
artifexd: I figure the lump sum payment I get from stock options is already set, right?
dignork: artifexd: stock options, check taxing, you might want to hold them off
artifexd: It isn't an amount that will make me independently wealthy, but it will greatly improve my current situation.
dignork: artifexd: i'm not a real accountant :), but you should consult one, move to IRA maybe, dunno.
artifexd: "Inflate my position" What does that mean? The company is small enough that everyone knows my contributions.
dignork: for a larger company, your previous "rank" might change your salary, so in your interests to achieve highest rank possible
dignork: it's a game though, if you are too high-ranked, they might fire you, due to position duplicity
dignork: so don't be a CFO for example
artifexd: If it makes a difference, I'm a programmer/coder/developer. My official (self-appointed) title is "Deviser and Artifex".
mircea_popescu: artifexd listen, you need to hire a tax attorney at this point.
mircea_popescu: there's no way you can get pertinent advice without the details.
mircea_popescu: blow a few grand on hiring someone, it';s the right time to do it.
mircea_popescu: you'll discover, even if you overpay today, you'll discover in time you wouldn't have undone it.
artifexd: Correction: That *is* pertinent advice.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 300 @ 0.0042 = 1.26 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: and other than that, have an open and relaxed negotiation strategy. tell the acquirer's expert that you aren't interested in anything but a position with the authonomy you enjoyed previously, and they can let you know.
artifexd: Any recommendations for what to ask them? I mean, what are things that are in question when one company acquires another? For example, it didn't even occur to me that my salary would change, as mentioned by dignork
mike_c: is the sale a good thing or is it because the company is struggling?
dignork: artifexd: some larger company have lame rules defining allowed salalry limits per rank, hope your case would be different
artifexd: It has long been the stated goal of our ceo to get bought.
artifexd: "Long" meaning "since I came onboard"
atcbot: [X-BT] Bid: 187 Ask: 277 Last Price: 278 24h-Vol: 128k High: 280 Low: 159 VWAP: 188
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i dunno what your noise issue is man, i used to live with the large ventilated felix
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 203 @ 0.00420001 = 0.8526 BTC [+]
assbot: "Iron Felix" meets the Odhner calculator
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no lol, this closet sized pdp-clone wannabe
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.47925 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: apparently it doesn't even exist on the internet it was so sikrit
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.095 = 0.57 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: this was actually homebrew, originally made by the atomic physics folks at magurele
mircea_popescu: eventually it just became a toy for students to play with
mircea_popescu: they had this huge round air vent thing, kinda comfortable to sit in
assbot: this is why distributed exchanges are doomed to failure
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform anyway, decay experiments, i dunno if you know, are - or were ? - this particular brand of evil.
mircea_popescu: "well, by midnight we should have about twelve ticks or so"
assbot: Mgurele - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
assbot: Symbolics 3620 - Computing History
mircea_popescu: i suspect the problem had a lot more to do with them being plagued by bob becks than anything intentional.
assbot: Why Did Symbolics Fail? | Software and Innovation
mircea_popescu: weinreb's passing actually makes me think about the following
mircea_popescu: willy-nilly the various blogs left by various people important in 2015, if still extant,
mircea_popescu: have gone through a long list of conservatorships and whatnot
mircea_popescu: this isn't something we're really too apt to handle, the material published on their own blogs by meanwhile long dead people
mircea_popescu: right. the time's advanced enough for this problem to start showing at the edges
mircea_popescu: i mean even the notion of a blog is maybe 20 years old tops. that's within reasonable lifespan.
mircea_popescu: nor do they have any sort of a clue as to how and why and what and so on
mircea_popescu: we're perhaps approaching a strange "collapse of the roman empire" situation from an entirely different angle
mircea_popescu: "At the MIT Artificial Intelligence Lab, fifteen researchers shared a computer with a .001 GHz CPU and .002 GB of main memory."
mircea_popescu: "We had great success amongst primary customers. I think we could have found a lot more of them if our marketing had been better. For example, did you know that Symbolics had a world-class software development environment for Fortran, C, Ada, and other popular languages, with amazing semantics-understanding in the editor, a powerful debugger, the ability for the languages to call each other, and so on? We put a lot of
mircea_popescu: work into those, but they were never publicized or advertised."
mircea_popescu: " We at Symbolics were slow to acknowledge this. We believed our own “dogma” even as it became less true. It was embedded in our corporate culture. If you disputed it, your co-workers felt that you “just didn’t get it” and weren’t a member of the clan, so to speak. This stifled objective analysis. (This is a very easy problem to fall into — don’t let it happen to you!)"
assbot: The public burning of Bob Beck pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: Also, a lot of Symbolics sales were based on the promise of rule-based expert systems, of which the early examples were written in Lisp. Rule-based expert systems are a fine thing, and are widely used today (but often not in Lisp). But they were tremendously over-hyped by certain academics and by their industry, resulting in a huge backlash around 1988. “Artificial Intelligence” fell out of favor; the “AI Winter
mircea_popescu: they mismanaged pretty much every aspect of market dominance.
mircea_popescu: course... i seem to also remember some massive rms drama
assbot: Rebuttal to Stallmans Story About The Formation of Symbolics and LMI | Software and Innovation
mircea_popescu: "Meanwhile, back at Symbolics, there were huge internal management conflicts, leading to the resignation of much of top management, who were replaced by the board of directors with new CEO’s who did not do a good job" i dunno..
mircea_popescu: "Symbolics signed long-term leases on big new offices and a new factory, anticipating growth that did not come, and were unable to sublease the properties due to office-space gluts, which drained a great deal of money."
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.0041 = 0.41 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: "or example, remember that the first viable Windows O/S, release 3.1, came out in in 1990"
mircea_popescu: "And while I’m setting the record straight, the original (TECO-based) Emacs was created and designed by Guy L. Steele Jr. and David Moon. After they had it working, and it had become established as the standard text editor at the AI lab, Stallman took over its maintenance."
mircea_popescu: (granted, my interest in this sort of minutia is faint)
mircea_popescu: o look at that asciilifeform... not a whole lot of confidence.
mircea_popescu: there's these things people like doing, like say rubbing their scrotum. and then there's these other things people don't like doing, like cooking and cleanning.
mircea_popescu: clearly thus therefore cooking and cleanning is stupid, and definitely not something one should learn or study or do well
mircea_popescu: because nobody ever has to put effort where they already suck, because they don't suck, it's just the problem that's unworthy of attention.
mircea_popescu: and so they end up with the stupidest contributor doing the most important parts : interfacing with the world.
mircea_popescu: it is very easy to interface with a computer : it's pinned down in place, mechanical and stupider than you.
mircea_popescu: it is insanely difficult to interface with the world, mostly because the world is principally made out of people smarter than you will ever be.
moiety: I'm turning in, night everyone :]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.095 = 0.285 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: "The Economist @TheEconomist · 2h The far-right may triumph in the EU parliament elections but they won't achieve much there"
mircea_popescu: how about the right accomplishes firing your wife, dear economist, from her "womens studies" uni position ?
[]bot: Bet placed: 1 BTC for Yes on "Cardano to Ship in 2014 (
http://bitbet.us/bet/859/)". Odds: 98(Y):2(N) by coin, 98(Y):2(N) by weight. Total bet: 1.1 BTC. Current weight: 99,989.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.46500005 = 0.93 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 45 @ 0.0220031 = 0.9901 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 60 @ 0.03214332 = 1.9286 BTC [-] {11}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 42 @ 0.03300804 = 1.3863 BTC [+] {5}
F40PH: nooooooooooooooo waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 493.79, Best ask: 494.58, Bid-ask spread: 0.79000, Last trade: 494.58, 24 hour volume: 29696.05623876, 24 hour low: 447.63, 24 hour high: 500.0, 24 hour vwap: 476.724107341
[]bot: Bet placed: 50 BTC for Yes on "Bitcoin to surpass Berkshire as an investment (
http://bitbet.us/bet/786/)". Odds: 86(Y):14(N) by coin, 87(Y):13(N) by weight. Total bet: 1307.03879007 BTC. Current weight: 80,465.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 1020 @ 0.0041 = 4.182 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.47923092 = 2.3962 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 6 @ 0.03949161 = 0.2369 BTC [+] {2}
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 494.67, Best ask: 496.5, Bid-ask spread: 1.83000, Last trade: 496.5, 24 hour volume: 29266.10215098, 24 hour low: 451.01, 24 hour high: 500.0, 24 hour vwap: 476.739040274
artifexd: Idea for a bet: Total bet on 786 to exceed 2500BTC
artifexd: Sure. If you have that kind of cheddar to throw around, sure.
artifexd: That would make for a nice S.BBET dividend.
assbot: BitBet - Bitcoin difficulty at or above 2B before Feb 2014 :: 1750.25 B (93%) on Yes, 136.67 B (7%) on No | closed 3 months 3 weeks ago
mircea_popescu: i'd guess the berkshire bet will have reached half its total bet sum sometime this autumn
benkay: boo. finger macro fail.
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 492.02, Best ask: 493.62, Bid-ask spread: 1.60000, Last trade: 494.0, 24 hour volume: 26225.50220859, 24 hour low: 454.38, 24 hour high: 500.0, 24 hour vwap: 476.830339419
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 12 @ 0.0220031 = 0.264 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00420006 = 0.42 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 19 @ 0.0229989 = 0.437 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 27 @ 0.03949984 = 1.0665 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 9 @ 0.095 = 0.855 BTC [+]
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 493.75, Best ask: 494.0, Bid-ask spread: 0.25000, Last trade: 494.0, 24 hour volume: 25806.57301911, 24 hour low: 454.38, 24 hour high: 500.0, 24 hour vwap: 476.842344556
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 494.0, vol: 25806.57301911 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 481.2, vol: 16732.93168 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 495.24, vol: 19831.56670882 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 499.0, vol: 129.10944697 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 489.076903, vol: 5655.75180000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 493.79, vol: 24.98197601 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 482.880017, vol: 176.91035795 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)
assbot: 66% of Dutch want old currency the Guilder back. Mere 26% supports status quo of Netherlands as member of EU.
http://t.co/rlboTfPV16 bitcoinpete: "For the 13 months he spent at Allenwood Federal Correctional Complex and the span he spent before then awaiting trial, Auernheimer is asking the government to pay his current market-determined rate of 1 BTC an hour, amounting to 28,296 bitcoins, or $13,200,000 USD as of this writing."
bitcoinpete: Isn't moiety only getting 1 bitcent an hour? and this dude wants 100x that
BingoBoingo: ;;later tell danielpbarron I'm coming around to the idea that it i probably best to keep your bitcoin wallets away from your nodes.
BingoBoingo: bitcoinpete: But Weev is a great freedom fighter.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 39 @ 0.03893267 = 1.5184 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.095 = 1.9 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: ;;later tell danielpbarron I also don't think it is possible to build bitcoind/qt on any platform without throwing at least an error.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 9 @ 0.038115 = 0.343 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 11 @ 0.095 = 1.045 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 11 @ 0.03949979 = 0.4345 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 9 @ 0.47899999 = 4.311 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.095 = 0.38 BTC [+]
assbot: Everything Is Broken The Message Medium
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.479 = 1.916 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.095 = 0.95 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 11 @ 0.03949979 = 0.4345 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 37 @ 0.03820692 = 1.4137 BTC [-] {8}
fluffypony: replace VS with XCode and you have the same issue on OS X
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 1 @ 0.127 BTC [-]
fluffypony: I just got your reddit reply...sent 3 hours ago...I should check that more regularly
moiety: scotland has sun! I'm in shock :]
assbot: Hotel room fun - Imgur
punkman: guess kitty went to sleep now
moiety: new satire page Britain Furst
punkman: that's a furst rate turban
pankkake: TradeFortress is now known as "Free hugs! ♥" on scamtalk
assbot: [BitFunder] BTCINVEST - Low risk investment fund | Market cap: 2000+ BTC
pankkake: goat started the trend, I guess
fluffypony: and put "aka Tradefortress" as his description
fluffypony: at least he dropped the BitBet affil link out of his signature
moiety: "His posts seem a tad strange" lol
fluffypony: anarkitty is in the room - she sent me a message on Reddit 3 hrs ago, so presumably she's asleep now
mircea_popescu: wait idle for 4 hours on webirc and she didn't get cut off ? helluva great connection she's got
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 494.94, Best ask: 494.99, Bid-ask spread: 0.05000, Last trade: 494.94, 24 hour volume: 23878.21163108, 24 hour low: 455.07, 24 hour high: 500.0, 24 hour vwap: 484.900683671
fluffypony: yeah, will take a bit of doing to get through the wall at 500
moiety: why do I never get the ping timeout thing? is it my client?
mircea_popescu: bitcoinpete: Isn't moiety only getting 1 bitcent an hour? and this dude wants 100x that << if people could make a bitcoin/hour sitting in a us prison we'd definitely need to increase the block rewards.
gribble: I have not seen anarkitty.
fluffypony: so when she got here and tried to talk...lol...
mircea_popescu: pankkake: TradeFortress is now known as "Free hugs! ♥" on scamtalk << why is it always the scammers that push the purely formal "be nice to people" angle ? o wait! because that's how mimicry works, and that's what they are!
moiety: weev said himself “because it's fucking hilarious to demand money from feds for a McVeigh Memorial grove,” adding “I honestly think we need to build statues of them just to piss off federal agents really.”
moiety: and i still dont believe he is a scammer.
moiety: i don't think he did though and i believe he reimbursed what he could out of his own funds
assbot: Bitcoin Transaction eb37287bdebf6b52553f1538e7c46e0ec4f1cd4701d5c17ad9f6047a0fa52814
moiety: i wasn't really watching the forum through all of this, i knew him in a different capacity
pankkake: he probably lost them throught CoinLenders. still a scam, running a fractionnal reserve is a scam
moiety: i was a mod at coinchat then he just gave the thing to me when he left
moiety: cus everyone flipped out when it went offline
moiety: no, not an argument, just what i feel
mircea_popescu: yeah. the problem is that this take in 4k btc, take a vacation for half a year then come back and split a btc or two to the idiots is really very good business.
mircea_popescu: and if it becomes socially acceptable bitcoin will become entirely sealed off to the poor.
moiety: lots of people close due to hacks (whether true or not) and don't reimburse anything
mircea_popescu: and none of them may come back, ever again, in any capacity.
mircea_popescu: sooner or later people will come to the realisation that reputation is worth a helluva lot than money,
mircea_popescu: which was in fact truth, plain as day, for as long as the state was weak and the hansa and its successor guilds ruled supreme.
fluffypony: it's hard to say with any degree of certainty that he didn't con people out
cazalla: tradefortress was on national tv talking about the loss, almost having a laugh
cazalla: well, lives/lived here, probably an asian student
cazalla: i'll see if i can find the recording
assbot: Australian bitcoin user TradeFortress says site hacked, $1 million in virtual currency stolen - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)
moiety: i know fluffypony it's just too hard for me to believe that
fluffypony: for that amount of money even the most straight-laced individual would have a hard time not wanting to lift a little
fluffypony: and once you've stolen a little it snowballs into "how can I steal the whole lot"
fluffypony: the reason this doesn't happen in big companies is because of the number of people involved
fluffypony: when you have 1 person holding millions?
mircea_popescu: the only reason it doesn't happen, as long as it doesn't, is that they don't actually have access to it.
mircea_popescu: basic corp governance, nobody may write checks on the corp account.
mircea_popescu: see, you simply can not write a check. at all. no sig whatsoever
mircea_popescu: corp only pays specific types of things to specific types of people and that's that.
mircea_popescu: which is why random nobodies can't b2b. because for the corp, it's too much like simply being stolen from
mircea_popescu: so you gotta have a big corp to sell overpriced shit to another big corp
mircea_popescu: this happens to also be why i'm quite so powerful. sure there's other people with money on twitter, VCs or whatnot.
mircea_popescu: the difference is that i can write a check for ten millioin dollars to a stripper, if i feel like it
mircea_popescu: bitcoingirl ok but make it quick cause i gotta go to town in a few minutes.
fluffypony: moiety: and just to re-iterate, I don't know the guy, so I'm not judging his character either way, I'm just saying that *anyone* with sole control over that amount of money would have a tough time staying honest
BingoBoingo: I just can't get over TF losing a decade from his age by becoming insolvent.
moiety: i totally understand that. I'm the way I am because I didn't know the business of it all, i knew the character and thats why it's so hard for me to believe
cazalla: TF probably finished his degree and like a lot of international students, pull a fast one on credit cards etc etc and piss off back home to avoid paying back the debt
fluffypony: moiety: whenever someone gets arrested for huge amounts of fraud, pedophilia, whatever, they interview all his neighbours and friends and they're always like "we're so shocked, he's such a nice guy!"
mircea_popescu: cazalla has an excellent theory, i had no idea he's another zhou tong
fluffypony: most of the people I'd trust with any portion of my money are not particularly "nice" people. Approachable, sure, and always reasonable, but not nice by any definition of the term.
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 494.68, Best ask: 496.65, Bid-ask spread: 1.97000, Last trade: 494.68, 24 hour volume: 23910.36995140, 24 hour low: 455.2, 24 hour high: 500.0, 24 hour vwap: 484.977061657
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell anarkitty hey there. ima be out for a few hours, but please don't go anywhere, i wanna talk to you whjen i'm back. you can talk to me directly by going /query mircea_popescu whether you have voice or not.
bitcoingirl: does anyone have a guess on what drove the price up 10% yesterday?
assbot: A Guillotine On a Stick That Lets You Play Caesar With Slugs
BingoBoingo: bitcoingirl: It was probably people on twitter telling Gavin to shut up that did it.
bitcoingirl: you sure it wasn't the Fox Business interview?
fluffypony: the reality is that the market is poised for movement
fluffypony: and then someone tried to start a rally, wasn't massively successful, but it picked up a bit of steam
fluffypony: broke through the wall at 475, and stopped short of breaking through 500
bitcoingirl: how does someone try to start a rally? what did they do exactly to move the market?
fluffypony: bitcoingirl: buy a significant quantity of Bitcoins, setup structured buy walls below market value to create the illusion of demand, all sorts of things can be done to try get it going
fluffypony: the market either reacts or it doesn't
fluffypony: and it can turn on them just as quickly as succeed
fluffypony: still, at 3 day scale the MACD looks promising
assbot: Charles Plosser thinks there’s a ticking time bomb at the Fed - Capitol Report - MarketWatch
fluffypony: bitcoingirl: like if someone puts up a bunch of offers to buy Bitcoin at $450 each totalling $200k, when the market is at $460, that's a buy wall
fluffypony: it can make sellers move their offers up higher because they think it's an indicator of demand
fluffypony: but it can also backfire and people can sell into the buy wall faster than the trader can pull it
BingoBoingo: Trying to shape supply and demand can be a way to lose a lot of money quickly though.
fluffypony: bitcoingirl: the movement started on Bitstamp
bitcoingirl: where would you monitor the price if your trading on bitstamp
fluffypony: lots of traders have tools they've bought / built / whatever
fluffypony: for the casual observer such as myself
assbot: BitcoinWisdom - Live Bitcoin/Litecoin charts
fluffypony: use a 3d or 1d (3 day / 1 day) scale to get a more macrocosmic view
fluffypony: and in Settings turn the MACD indicator on
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 497.0, vol: 23912.05813220 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 486.66, vol: 13113.52364 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 495.4, vol: 18927.31535076 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 500.38, vol: 116.33922507 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 492.354216, vol: 5361.20070000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 490.84583, vol: 24.23311087 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 495.9725, vol: 200.09617222 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)
bitcoingirl: what is this gribble that keeps coming up?
fluffypony: especially at a 3 day scale the MACD seems to indicate that some upward movement is due...or it'll just settle back down
BingoBoingo: bitcoingirl: It's a bot that reports information.
moiety: saves you roaming around, you can do a lot in-channel
bitcoingirl: sorry if these seem like dumb questions - I'm just jumping in WOT
fluffypony: bitcoingirl: which part, the market info from gribble?
assbot: The round stones beneath the earth... have spoken through the fire.
assbot: [MPEX:S.NSA] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 0.00013 / 0.00013 / 0.00013 (3150 shares, 0.41 BTC), 30D: 0.00013 / 0.00014409 / 0.00015 (11359 shares, 1.64 BTC)
gribble: Nick 'moiety', with hostmask 'moiety!~moiety@unaffiliated/moiety', is identified as user 'moiety', with GPG key id 6DF881D6696B6111, key fingerprint E64F1CD74C9F7F955A892A646DF881D6696B6111, and bitcoin address None
moiety: gribble must have had a huff while i was asleep?
BingoBoingo: assbot pulls up tickers for various bitcoin related assets
moiety: i usually check ident when i wake up too, and this morning i just thought, nah it'll be fine lol
bitcoingirl: if i want to short BTC, what would be a good strategy?
fluffypony: bitcoingirl: every time I've tried doing any sort of short-term trading I've lost money...I'd avoid that space unless you have tons of experience
fluffypony: bitcoingirl: I'm a major shareholder in a group of companies
fluffypony: sure, occasionally and for very specific reasons
assbot: On Matters of Merchant Adoption | When Bitcoin Met Pete
fluffypony: this part: "I learned it last summer when I spent 3 BTC on a $450 case of wine in Kelowna. Today, I could’ve bought that case for 0.64 BTC, and probably more like 0.1 BTC before long, then 0.001 BTC, etc."
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0325 = 0.1625 BTC [-]
Apocalyptic: <bitcoingirl> if i want to short BTC, what would be a good strategy? // borrow them from someone
assbot: BitBet - Bitcoin to surpass Berkshire as an investment :: 1120.86 B (86%) on Yes, 186.18 B (14%) on No | closing in 8 months 4 weeks | weight: 80`354 (100`000 to 1)
pankkake: if irsii, a tip: /last -hilight -new
pankkake: hm, it's lastlog. so not irssi
assbot: Irssi - The client of the future
fluffypony: all their cards look like poor Amex knockoffs
BingoBoingo: fluffypony: And what do the cards even do?
assbot: Wallet Services | American Bitcoin Inc.
fluffypony: "hey look how cool I am, member of the American Bitcoin elite, proud Foundation bronze member, free Ross Ulbricht!"
fluffypony: BingoBoingo: that paragraph breaks my brain
BingoBoingo: fluffypony: Click one of their register buttons and see how they accept payment
Apocalyptic: fluffypony, funny thing it does no longer do that on me
Naphex: quick #bitcoin-assets poll: Second FIAT currency, EUR or USD?:D
dexX7: theamericanbitcoincompany.com vs "american bitcoin >community" lol
dexX7: what's that anyway? foundation 2.0?
assbot: Ebay asks all users to change passwords| Reuters
BingoBoingo: dexX7: Broke ass thing that aspires to be what the foundation imagines it is
Duffer1: sounds about as legit as the first one
Duffer1: no i dunno, i've never heard of them until just now
pankkake: I tried to change my eBay password a few weeks ago. I didn't work.
dexX7: worked for me, too
fluffypony: thestringpuller: no, it's on my list, day got away from me a little
moiety: my internet just had a tantrum and fucked off for a minute or two
moiety: i can't remember my ebay password and I'm locked out of my google account to reset it
BingoBoingo: Oh, the perils of relying on other people's computers for so much.
dub: check if your password is on tpb
danielpbarron: BingoBoingo, why shouldn't my wallet be with my full node?
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: I like the idea of separating roles.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1910 @ 0.00011557 = 0.2207 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 70 @ 0.00599991 = 0.42 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.47949 = 0.959 BTC [+]
danielpbarron: does bitcoind let me create a transaction on one machine, and sign it on another/
BingoBoingo: You pass it to the node. bitcoind could probably be abused into doing that. Armory does that well. Electrum effectively does that if you only have it connect to the node at 127.0.0.1
BingoBoingo: I think electrum has an offline solution for transaction signing.
BingoBoingo: I haven't dug into bitcoind that much. I just run it as a dumb node, making sure it plays nice with the network and then largely letting it be.
danielpbarron: it sounds like the thing I want has yet to be written
BingoBoingo: There's probably a command line option to push a raw transaction on the network in bitcoind.
dexX7: danielpbarron: this is possible, but difficult with bitcoind because it doesn't let you sign unless you synced completely afaik
assbot: petertodd/python-bitcoinlib GitHub
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 19 @ 0.0224999 = 0.4275 BTC [-]
danielpbarron: assbot is definitely not posting MPEX stuff; all I've seen for the last 24 hours is havelock trades
assbot: Webcast: Beyond Security: Getting to Know OpenBSD's Real Purpose
artifexd: moiety: My understanding is that there are two definitions of "scammer". One from the business owner's point of view (dishonesty or theft). One from the investor's point of view (failure to pay obligations). The popular view here is from the investor's point of view because it doesn't matter *why* someone didn't pay their obligations. That person should not
artifexd: be trusted with further money.
assbot: Bitcoiners Upset at Apple Understand Neither Apple's Business Model nor Bitcoin
artifexd: "Furthermore, putting bitcoins on your phone is probably the goddamn stupidest thing that I've ever heard of. Bitcoins are going to be the world's reserve currency4, and as such fated to rise to prices per coin that dwarf even the outlandish Winklevoss' most media-hungry "predictions". To leave such a precious commodity within reach of anyone with a USB
artifexd: cable5 and a gun to scare you off your phone is the height of idiocy."
jurov: "BREAKING: Bitcoin conference participants robbed with USB cable on gunpoint"
BingoBoingo: Let us never forget Tortilla's conference where he lost thousands of bitcoins to a sauna
atcbot: 0k@285 63k@278 25k@277 | 33k@187 55k@156 10k@155
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 455357.13 Est. Next Diff: 149204.27 in 687 blocks (#32256) Est. % Change: -67.23
assbot: Roumenv Rouming - Zbavn a zajmav obrzky - smart girl
chetty: The Obama administration has quietly adjusted key provisions of its signature healthcare law to potentially make billions of additional taxpayer dollars available to the insurance industry if companies providing coverage through the Affordable Care Act lose money.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 3 @ 0.03896326 = 0.1169 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: I AM HODLING | Bitcointa.lk
mike_c: asciilifeform: variant 1 - powerful machine, must sing, like 'harley davidson'; << how else do you know it's working!
mike_c: machines gotta earn their keep
mike_c: kakobrekla: note busted link in log because it is hyperlinking the parantheses
moiety: ffs my net keeps going off
artifexd: mike_c: I also changed the bot to not put the links in parenthesis. Thanks for pointing that out.
dexX7: danielpbarron: oh hey, correction: you actually can quite easily sign raw transactions offline with bitcoind, but you need to supply the scriptpubkey of inputs, see
http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=bxrEyqbt for an example
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.033 = 0.165 BTC [+]
assbot: The FBI Is Struggling to Hire Hackers Who Don't Smoke Weed
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.095 = 0.95 BTC [+]
punkman: ""I have to hire a great work force to compete with those cyber criminals, and some of those kids want to smoke weed on the way to the interview,""
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 130 @ 0.00412962 = 0.5369 BTC [-] {6}
mike_c: is the problem that the cyber criminals have better weed?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 120 @ 0.00409875 = 0.4919 BTC [-] {2}
punkman: yeah the gov-approved weed is crap
kakobrekla: ist gov approve <insert stuff here> crap ?
chetty: hmm doesn't gubermint approved= bad for you?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00415503 = 0.4155 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 1017 @ 0.00402367 = 4.0921 BTC [-] {7}
assbot: U.S. government to grow 1,430 pounds of weed for DEA-registered research
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 70 @ 0.03343256 = 2.3403 BTC [+] {3}
dub: smoked too much weed to remember weed conversion tables
assbot: Compassionate Investigational New Drug program - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 15 @ 0.095 = 1.425 BTC [+]
dub: 9 ounces a month is some smoking
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 50 @ 0.03372386 = 1.6862 BTC [+] {7}
BingoBoingo: dub: But if it is crappy government weed...
punkman: the Mississippi guy started with mexican ditchweed
dub: thats a joint every hour 15 hours a day
dub: yeah you inhale through your mouth generally
BingoBoingo: kakobrekla: The government only approves suppositories
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 491.53, Best ask: 491.8, Bid-ask spread: 0.27000, Last trade: 491.8, 24 hour volume: 21195.10084630, 24 hour low: 469.64, 24 hour high: 500.0, 24 hour vwap: 486.155141349
dub: th ecanned joints are 0.5g so 17 joints/dey
dub: thats like dub at 18 territory
dub: getting close at least
BingoBoingo: 17 times a day is rather often to put something up up the ass.
pankkake: well then there's a market for an automated suppository gun, in the form of a butt plug
assbot: Data Pirates of the Caribbean: The NSA Is Recording Every Cell Phone Call in the Bahamas - The Intercept
assbot: Woman's car attacked by self-identified 'high elf' battling evil | Local & Regional | KATU.com - Portland News, Sports, Traffic Weather and Breaking News - Portland, Oregon
soros: kakobrekla: nothing particular, thinking of merging that foundation of mine with TBF
BingoBoingo: soros: What's your foundation? Basement, slab, pier and post?
assbot: Snowden’s First Move Against the NSA Was a Party in Hawaii | Threat Level | WIRED
assbot: Bitcoin2014_AnnualMembersMeetingTranscript.pdf - Datei ber Box freigegeben
moiety: if i have to eauth one more time today imma eat gribble
assbot: George Soros' fund sells its stake in JPMorgan Chase in 1Q14 » Market Realist
assbot: Bitcoin difficulty update
moiety: i thought thats why i didn't ping time out?
mike_c: has anyone made money ever going short diff? unstoppable force.
BingoBoingo: mike_c: Only a few anomalous difficulty BitBets
rithm: there were a few weeks in 2011 where you could short the diff?
rithm: maybe fewer in 2012
soros: kakobrekla: Open Society Foundation with The Bitcoin Foundation
kakobrekla: the only thing you want to do with TBF is to run, as fast and as far as you can.
rithm: they aren't cashflow positive and they are burning through their initial endowment
rithm: that's what the report says
soros: kakobrekla: quite the contrary, TBF would be a perfect fit to join me and my buddies. in fact, they may already have joined us.. ;)
fluffypony: except the child molesters, presumably
rithm: oh yeah the brock landers child sex thing too
BingoBoingo: soros: Is it the Brock Pierce sex thing, srsly
assbot: 20 Million Bees Swarm Delaware Highway After Tractor-Trailer Crash
assbot: Cisco chief urges Obama to curb NSA surveillance activity| Reuters
assbot: George Soros: The United States Must Stop Resisting The Orderly Decline Of The Dollar, The Coming Global Currency And The New World Order
assbot: The Saga of Bloodninja
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.46004823 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 105 @ 0.0042499 = 0.4462 BTC [+]
chetty: oic, soros thinks btc will be the nwo currency :P
soros: chetty: not "will be".. try "is"
rithm: why else would i have been hoarding bitcoins for years before these retarded millionaires caught on
HeySteve: soros, why not the basket of gold, SDRs, rubles, yuan, dollars, etc.?
soros: HeySteve: been there, done that
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 24 @ 0.03805341 = 0.9133 BTC [-] {5}
HeySteve: k soros gl getting central banks to accept loss of control over rates and money supply
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.0008848 / 0.00090406 / 0.00094991 (467313 shares, 422.48 BTC), 7D: 0.0008848 / 0.00095919 / 0.00100536 (4425468 shares, 4,244.88 BTC), 30D: 0.00083786 / 0.00093955 / 0.00101 (23668180 shares, 22,237.54 BTC)
assbot: Last trade for S.MPOE on MPEX was at 0.00088856 BTC [-]
HeySteve: lol peter schiff has changed his tune about bitcoin
benkay: ;;later tell bitcoingirl a pox on your uncritical republication of fundation noise
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 492.57, Best ask: 493.19, Bid-ask spread: 0.62000, Last trade: 493.32, 24 hour volume: 18368.13937592, 24 hour low: 478.0, 24 hour high: 500.0, 24 hour vwap: 486.155141349
HeySteve: I just got a press release, cgcardona, no link as yet
cgcardona: what's he have to say? How did he change his tune?
assbot: Peter Schiffs Gold Company | Euro Pacific Precious Metals
cgcardona: "Well ok there is intrinsic value :p"
assbot: Euro Pacific Precious Metals Now Accepts Bitcoin | Peter Schiffs Official Gold Blog
mjr_: we were just talking about that
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 2.42771748 BTC to 8`548 shares, 28401 satoshi per share
HeySteve: heh well better late than never for Peter Schiff I guess. he's one of the saner "talking heads" out there
cgcardona: "PETER SCHIFF—TAKE MY BITCOIN!1!!1" -noone ever
mjr_: and...i guess if we had to stop and say i told you so to everyone who got bitcoin wrong...
HeySteve: true princessnell. still waiting for paul krugman to come around :P
princessnell: heysteve they will be first in line for redemption after the rev
assbot: BBC News - eBay makes users change their passwords after hack
cgcardona: yea minimum order of $5000. Where can I buy smaller quanitites of precious metals w/ btc?
cgcardona: i'd love to pick up just a few coins but don't really want to drop $5000
HeySteve: cgcardona, there's amagi metals, coinabul and a few others
cgcardona: i thought I had checked out amagi and they also required a min of 200oz of silver. checking now again....
rithm: buying metal with cyprtocurrency is a terrible idea that usually has worked in someone else's favor
rithm: historically that's my perspective
HeySteve: fluffypony, so ebay was hacked Feb - Mar and only found about it now?
fluffypony: we all changed our passwords earlier, someone posted a link about an eBay notice going out
rithm: the metal loses value as a function of time and the bitcoin does not?
rithm: historically speaking, since both have only existed for x
rithm: gold might be an anomoly but not by much
cgcardona: yea I'm not thinking of moving from btc to gold as an investment. the bulk of my assets are in btc and will remain there. i was more thinking getting some precious metals just as collectors items.
cgcardona: that's why i only wanna order a couple
rithm: amagi shipped 10 ounces of gold in 6 days
rithm: that's my only experience
cgcardona: oh ok cool. so they will ship less than 200 oz. great to know. thanks rithm
rithm: silver is worthless
HeySteve: no way, rithm. kills werewolves
rithm: it killed 'em for 35$ and now it kills them at $19
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 30 @ 0.03307369 = 0.9922 BTC [-] {5}
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 494.02, Best ask: 494.22, Bid-ask spread: 0.20000, Last trade: 494.02, 24 hour volume: 18063.26901568, 24 hour low: 478.0, 24 hour high: 500.0, 24 hour vwap: 491.460861006
assbot: Sailor convicted of hacking websites from aboard aircraft carrier | Ars Technica
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 21 @ 0.038 = 0.798 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 42 @ 0.0042 = 0.1764 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: 74% of Wall Street believes /hashtag/Bitcoin?src=hash will become an alternative currency, according to Bitcoin Trust survey:
http://t.co/ODjtwSV7an moiety: i think my router had a heart attack today? seems ok now
assbot: BNP Paribas Risks Client Flight as Ban on Transfers Looms - Businessweek
mircea_popescu: basically the us is turning into venezuela on the rather transparent and quite flimsy pretext of...
mircea_popescu: im not sure even what exactly, was it "money laundering" ?
mircea_popescu: bitcoingirl: what is this gribble that keeps coming up? << she's adowable isn't she.
danielpbarron: <+BingoBoingo> Coinabul's a scam << someone i deal with is currently waiting for them to ship and it's been weeks or months at this point
mircea_popescu: fluffypony: the most trusted name in Bitcoin? << well, anyone can claim anything right ?
mircea_popescu: and the consumer is gonna learn that claiming is not worth much
mircea_popescu: exactly like the claims of jurisdiction his government keeps making aren't worth much.
kakobrekla: fluffypony: the most trusted name in Bitcoin? < ognasty obv.
assbot: Airbnb Loves Sharing So Much, It Agreed to Subpoena On Illegal Hosts
assbot: EBay says client information stolen in hacking attack| Reuters
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla he meant some "american bitcoin corp" website some kid put up last week
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo they had no option, really. theyt're a bunch of party clowns (literally) out to make money.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Of course, but it's funny to see that the clowns realized holding out for a grand jury would fall even flatter on their audience
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron: assbot is definitely not posting MPEX stuff; all I've seen for the last 24 hours is havelock trades << looking into it
mike_c: fwiw, kako's feed hasn't reported any trades for 27 hours
assbot: [MPEX:S.BBET] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 0.00047 / 0.00049937 / 0.00051499 (48838 shares, 24.39 BTC), 30D: 0.00047 / 0.00050069 / 0.00054 (51695 shares, 25.88 BTC)
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: Let us never forget Tortilla's conference where he lost thousands of bitcoins to a sauna << ahjahaha.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.4789999 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.47952666 = 1.4386 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 400 @ 0.00047 = 0.188 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: mike_c: has anyone made money ever going short diff? unstoppable force. << i think a few bets wonthat way, but still. drop in bucket.
mircea_popescu: so did y'all teach perianne how to make moneyz shorting bitcoin or what.
mircea_popescu: rithm: they aren't cashflow positive and they are burning through their initial endowment << exactly.
mircea_popescu: people familiar with the taking down of gox will perhaps recognise the pattern.
rithm: sounds unviable to me
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.47979 = 1.4394 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: HeySteve: lol peter schiff has changed his tune about bitcoin << but obviously no apology.
princessnell: mircea_popescu well enough. assigned to project about how bitcoin will help the poors.
mircea_popescu: princessnell: heysteve they will be first in line for redemption after the rev << i was going to say something like that.
mircea_popescu: princessnell that is pretty fucktarded. why are you wasting your time ?
BingoBoingo: princessnell: It will help them by providing better masters.
princessnell: well, i'm also lurking here so it's not a total waste rite rite
BingoBoingo: Also by boosting the sales of sharpie markers
mircea_popescu: cgcardona there's no way you can't buy gold directly from miners in australia
cgcardona: w/ bitcoin. not w/ a service i'm aware of. but sure potentially
cgcardona: plus I'm only looking for some small collectibles. nothing at scale.
mircea_popescu: rithm: it killed 'em for 35$ and now it kills them at $19 << epic lmao.
fluffypony: they'll be a collectors item in 3 years
pankkake: physical dogecoins, a real shibe with a private key tatooed in the ear?
mircea_popescu: they'll be worthless in 3 years, but they can suck you off in the meanwhile.
cgcardona: I can send back some kahealani niihau ;-]
fluffypony: just minted coins, not actual Dogecoins
HeySteve: I looked at shipping krugerrands but there's a low allowance on what one can send annually
HeySteve: I believe any number of gold rounds can be sent, but insurance and shipping charges will be steep
mircea_popescu: HeySteve i imagine the amagi / coinabul / whoever else pays the same exact fees
cgcardona: i'm positive that whichever one was recently on Reddit/bitcoin (i think amagi) requires min of 200oz of silver cause I checked that day.
HeySteve: hmm, that's true. I've been meaning to follow up on gold for bitcoin, we don't mine silver here though
mircea_popescu: thye look like they were designed by a 15yo with a pirated illustrator.
mircea_popescu: fluffypony so the anarkitty character never said a word huh.
HeySteve: lol @ physical dogecoins. so bad it's good, I want one
cgcardona: i was there in 2005 for the high times cannabis cup. i'd like to go back when it's warmer
ThickAsThieves: had to turn down a few government jobs since my visit ;)
assbot: The FBI Is Struggling to Hire Hackers Who Don't Smoke Weed
ThickAsThieves: it didnt get very cold at night so everyone was out all night
moiety: i hope you took pictures ThickAsThieves
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16250 @ 0.00093352 = 15.1697 BTC [+] {4}
cgcardona: God the Pretty Lights show I say in Dec in SF was off the freaking hook
cgcardona: he was touring w/ a full band. Very insane.
ThickAsThieves: i started writing an elaborate theory about systems and economies and bitcoin and reputation
ThickAsThieves: need to go back and see if it was high genius or just highness
assbot: Nadya Labi: How a Militia Grew on a Military Base : The New Yorker
chetty: eBay today revealed that attackers "compromised a database containing encrypted passwords and other non-financial data" between late February and early March. The database included names, e-mail addresses, home addresses, phone numbers, and dates of birth.
benkay: everyone must gee pee gee
benkay: "everybody must get hashed"
chetty: Woman Refused Medicine Because ObamaCare System Says She Is a Man
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Of course. They tend to be more open to suggestion.
assbot: Step Toward Liberating Electronic Devices From Their Power Cords - Slashdot
BingoBoingo: Laser Pistol fire in the streets inches closer.
BingoBoingo: According to one soldier interviewed by the U.S. Army Criminal Investigation Command, “The entire S-2 section”—the intelligence group in Aguigui’s squadron—“had knowledge of Aguigui’s plans and many were willing to be a part of it.”
mircea_popescu: ahh, minty lemonade made out of your own mint from your own garden.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3700 @ 0.00093283 = 3.4515 BTC [-]
assbot: Why Garden? So You Can Write Cheques To Strippers. | When Bitcoin Met Pete
mircea_popescu: well honestly... if i get a bitcoin a day, like weev...
Duffer1: MP is satoshi and is being extradited to US!
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.479795 = 1.9192 BTC [+] {2}
fluffypony: Satoshi Nakamoto = SN = NS backwards = N->M and S->P
mircea_popescu: sit in the shade 3-4 years, write a coupla books and another 10k trilema posts, come out with moar bitcoins than well... hm.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9300 @ 0.00093544 = 8.6996 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: All of the sad girls waiting in your basement...
punkman: moving the harem can't be easy
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0225 = 0.1125 BTC [+]
assbot: Belgium bans Bitcoin Financial products in Bitcoin prohibted – deadline July1st | The Bitcoin News - Decentralised Bitcoin and Crypto News
pankkake: "Goofy drama aside - wish him all the best. Even if controversial, would donate to a legal fund aimed at preventing extradition and assume a good few others would, too."
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 4 @ 0.10838749 = 0.4335 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 530 @ 0.00425481 = 2.255 BTC [+] {8}
assbot: MPEx owner in danger of being extradited to US to face charges
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5450 @ 0.00093566 = 5.0993 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 150 @ 0.00570066 = 0.8551 BTC [+] {3}
pankkake: should be subtitled "for entertainment only"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7800 @ 0.00093283 = 7.2761 BTC [-]
Duffer1: Transistor is my new favorite thing, this game is amazin
pankkake: someone sent me 0.001 BTC to an address I only used to widthdraw from Cryptsy
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 39 @ 0.00443 = 0.1728 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2505 @ 0.00093283 = 2.3367 BTC [-]
mike_c: that's expensive tracer dust
assbot: "You are more likely to die in a plane crash than click on a banner ad." /msweezey at /hashtag/wistiafest?src=hash
princessnell: ;;later tell bitcoinpete hayek and #b-a is a killer combo
pankkake: mike_c: yeah, and it doesn't trace anything now. paid for more than the tx fee to move it
mike_c: mingle with your funds? see where they go?
mircea_popescu: oh in the sense it's going to end up in a composite tx ?
mike_c: but why couldn't they just do that with the funds already there.
pankkake: that would only make sense if the address was empty, but used before, I guess
mircea_popescu: i suppose you can inadvertently show two addresses as being in the same wallet, this way. except a) why would you not keep multiple wallets if you want this and b) why wouldn't you fake it just to mess with the tracer
assbot: "You are more likely to die in a plane crash than click on a banner ad." /msweezey at /hashtag/wistiafest?src=hash
assbot: Bitcoin Transaction 771a80f9c62f971a8dd02fa342f5c1856c8b39a7d5d7feb527489984f651670a
mike_c: some kind of dividend payment?
pankkake: but doesn't explain why I got it
fluffypony: did you buy shares in their mining thing?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 638 @ 0.0009308 = 0.5939 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 37 @ 0.12856755 = 4.757 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 32 @ 0.00443 = 0.1418 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7500 @ 0.000932 = 6.99 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 200 @ 0.03942322 = 7.8846 BTC [+] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2890 @ 0.00011599 = 0.3352 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2026 @ 0.00093079 = 1.8858 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6000 @ 0.000932 = 5.592 BTC [+]
assbot: Drone memo author doesn't understand justice : Column
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 237 @ 0.095 = 22.515 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 100 @ 0.095 = 9.5 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 58 @ 0.095 = 5.51 BTC [+]
stompysteve: did i get a voice because you like my name :) lol
mike_c: i count 4 mikes in channel. bring it steve army.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3200 @ 0.00093072 = 2.9783 BTC [-]
HeySteve: steve army may be outnumbered but never outwitted!
gribble: Current Blocks: 301960 | Current Difficulty: 8.8534163091278E9 | Next Difficulty At Block: 302399 | Next Difficulty In: 439 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 days, 11 hours, 51 minutes, and 49 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 10489485769.8 | Estimated Percent Change: 18.47953
mike_c: isn't stevie a girl's name?
pankkake: there's a fair amount of davids too
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 52 @ 0.095 = 4.94 BTC [+]
mike_c: stevie wonder's real name is stevland
stompysteve: i havnt open bitcoinqt in like 5 months it doesnt show how far i am in verifying blocks any idea how long it will take
stompysteve: i thought it showed you a lil loading bar with how far back you were
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.095 = 0.19 BTC [+]
assbot: BBC News - French rail network admits train blunder
pankkake: SNCF Fret, the business transport of SNCF, also often manages to *lose* cars
pankkake: SNCF Fret is an endless… trainwreck
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.4798 = 1.4394 BTC [+]
assbot: On the Origin of White Power | The Primate Diaries, Scientific American Blog Network
assbot: Outside in - Involvements with reality » Blog Archive » Quote notes (#80)
mircea_popescu: this is just scheduled ircing. my ai power is so great, i have prepared responses in advance to anything you might inquire
jborkl_: so the Bitcoin foundatation spends $150k a month
jborkl_: so in 18 months they will be broke, sounds exactly correct as far as vc logic goes
rithm: lighting cigars with fresh hundreds can get expensive though amirite
mike_c: mp's irc ai: why did bitcoin go up?
jborkl_: well, the foundation will be broke, heh
fluffypony: I guess they're counting on a meteoric rise in BTC value
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jborkl_: has the foundation even been around a year?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform is that an old indy from like the 386 era ?
jborkl_: and how many people have they been trhough/resigned already? heh
rithm: they duped me out a few btc for their initial endowment
rithm: like the report says
mircea_popescu: the ark one ? where you can use the whip on the annoying chick in the original university setting ?
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rithm: hey bitcointalk.org forums have a large operating tho iirc
rithm: thermos gonna regulate
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mircea_popescu: princessnell he gets blown out of the water pretty thoroughly in that sciam piece.
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princessnell: mircea_popescu i mean its a masterful smear if that's what yr getting at
mircea_popescu: i've never read his book. but! the notions that a) there's three races ; b) that "whites" are in any sense "English" or c) that somehow passivity and civilisation correlate...
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform lotta 30something women with reddit accounts on your street.
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princessnell: mircea_popescu are you asking for a competent review?
mircea_popescu: princessnell sure. alternatively, for backing of the "straight lies" theory
princessnell: '"Wade does not say Caucasians are better per se, merely better adapted (because of their genes) to the modern economic institutions that Western society has created, and which now dominate the world’s economy and culture." < lie
mircea_popescu: princessnell you will notice that this wasn't on my list of three things. i discarded it as stupid anyway
princessnell: a) race is a degree of genetic relatedness. as such there is no limit to the number of categories you can create (alternatively no maximum that bounds it). wade painstakingly explains his use of "three races" heuristic and provides ample genetic evidence to support.
mircea_popescu: princessnell i got b from the slide. "He then explains why white people are better because of their genes. " mutates into "The second problem with Wade’s argument about the gentility of the English". this to me indicated the original fails to distinguish.
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mircea_popescu: but for the record : english *speakers*, in which category *both* uk and us citizenry are minorities, is in its turn a minority in european affairs.
mircea_popescu: which are a majority but not a supermajority of whiteness
princessnell: mircea_popescu a farewell to alms was strengthened by the son also rises
mircea_popescu: anyway, a race is not merely a degree of genetic relatedness. a race is a culturally recognised such degree. which is why you can't make the nell race just by having a lot of kids with random people.
princessnell: that is the point of the book! genes + cultural social behaviors
mircea_popescu: anyway, as far as white is concerned, the bulgarians are probably more important than the us folk.
mircea_popescu: which you know... i strongly suspek neither reviewer nor reviewee even heard of to begin with
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assbot: overview for asciilifeform
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2995 @ 0.000932 = 2.7913 BTC [+]
jborkl_: added next diff, block found by- still adding pool info have about half- finishing up live charting of btce,bitstamp and btcchina
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10756 @ 0.00093162 = 10.0205 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4500 @ 0.0009312 = 4.1904 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.095 = 0.95 BTC [+]
assbot: My soon to be wife wants a percentage of my bitcoin holdings, what to do? : Bitcoin
mod6: yeah, srsly, run fast.
rithm: my wife of x years has no interest in mine
rithm: why does his non-wife of 0 years so interested
fluffypony: my assets were established in our ANC before we got married, and so were my wife's
mike_c: this seems like an easy problem. give her whatever percentage she wants and adjust the amount of coin she knows about accordingly.
fluffypony: if we get divorced those declared assets in the ANC cannot be touched, fin.
davout: fluffypony: what's an ANC ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.0225505 = 0.2255 BTC [-] {2}
davout: who needs that now we have bitcoin
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.095 = 0.19 BTC [+]
fluffypony: davout: at this juncture you still have to have some semblance of compliance with the law of the land...but I'd be interested to see a landmark case where the wife demands her portion of BTC and the husband refuses to hand over privkeys
mike_c: if i get a divorce i get 50% of her WoW gold
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0225004 = 0.1125 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.032502 = 0.1625 BTC [-] {2}
mike_c: plus all the best armor
jborkl: if you cant spend them they are not yours is the old saying in bitcoin rt
davout: i'm required to share assets, not multiply arbitrary secret numbers in case of divorce :-)
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mircea_popescu: anyway. the entire prenup thing is ridiculous in the west because of this "can't be unconscionable" approach to contract law.
mircea_popescu: so you know, it won't protect you, but you can have the piece of paper if you wish.
fluffypony: I'm glad I live in a country where if someone burns themselves with coffee at McDonalds the best they can do is write a complaint on Hello Peter (customer service site) and get a form response from McDonalds
fluffypony: "We are so sorry to hear you burnt your gonads. Please accept this coupon for a Large Quarter Pounder with Cheese."
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 437 @ 0.095 = 41.515 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 21 @ 0.0225 = 0.4725 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 96 @ 0.095 = 9.12 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 90 @ 0.095 = 8.55 BTC [+]
bitcoinpete: fluffypony: pls to not have children who you also feed our poison to
bitcoinpete: in other good news, our fair province is unstrapping itself to the usa and restrapping itself to china
mike_c: sorry, it would take some serious tectonic shifts for that to happen.
rithm: china and russia have vowed to destoy the petrodollar yo
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4900 @ 0.0009347 = 4.58 BTC [+]
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 493.47, Best ask: 493.56, Bid-ask spread: 0.09000, Last trade: 493.56, 24 hour volume: 7875.02991908, 24 hour low: 484.09, 24 hour high: 499.1, 24 hour vwap: 492.207013094
benkay: y'all are asshats. my girl's got her own btc.
bitcoinpete: benkay: a whole one? that's like an hour's prison time
rithm: moar CNG fracking plz!
benkay: i'm the one going to jail.
benkay: she's going to have to get the brood and honored grandparents to ars.
bitcoinpete: benkay: you can't blame the states for that one
mike_c: bitcoinpete: i didn't mean tectonic as a metaphor. you're attached.
benkay: cannot be done with frozen assets.
bitcoinpete: mike_c: attached with thousands of kilometers of nothing in between.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40200 @ 0.0009357 = 37.6151 BTC [+] {6}
mike_c: we probably would get lost in the woods
bitcoinpete: ya, we're like russia without the cultural history
rithm: communications sensitive type
mike_c: telling about is inevitable (as you know). now amounts..
rithm: sharing and providing are two completely different things
rithm: kinda how the ceo provides a paycheck and only shares what is relevant
rithm: buy let's be real ceo's don't provide anything of value tho amirite
benkay: <mike_c> telling about is inevitable (as you know). now amounts.. // i share allocation to the nearest ten percent, updated once per...year. at most.
benkay: and in buckets only of low and high risk
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mike_c: my wife knows two things. 1) i'm not telling her. 2) i'm not going to divorce her. so it works out.
bitcoinpete: "So, was Tuesday’s 10% leap in the bitcoin price triggered by good news – the favorable comments about bitcoin from a Fed advisory board, perhaps, or news of Circle’s launch at the Bitcoin 2104 conference?" << bwahahaha
bitcoinpete: or maybe it was news that the us was charging chinese spies with shit
benkay: or the bears could just be done.
benkay: but please, let's all opine more about what's driving the day's market irrationality.
bitcoinpete: humans love stories almost as much as we love fucking
mike_c: more like "humans" freak out when they don't understand something. when people ask me about why the market moved I give them the time-tested answer: God.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9200 @ 0.0009312 = 8.567 BTC [-]
bitcoinpete: mike_c: the contemporary version is: science.
assbot: Budweiser, Coinbase Partner to Give Free Bitcoin to Concert Attendees
bitcoinpete: these muricans need to stop giving away $10 of coin here and $10 there. strippers are a waaay better investment
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 5 @ 0.129 = 0.645 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11900 @ 0.0009312 = 11.0813 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.095 = 0.95 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1263 @ 0.00011921 = 0.1506 BTC [+] {4}
mircea_popescu: <bitcoinpete> yes, i'm sure it was all circle hype << dudes wanna matter. who's to tell them they won't ?
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 288 @ 0.095 = 27.36 BTC [+]
bitcoinpete: seems like people either show up here or disappear and not a lot in between
moiety: i think freenode had another fit
moiety: and am i the only nonmarried person left on the planet
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 68 @ 0.095 = 6.46 BTC [+]
moiety: mp doesn't count, he has too many to marry
bitcoinpete: ;;later tell princessnell thanks for the reads!
moiety: he's a dark horse, you never know with him
moiety: no one would marry gribble the amount you have to fucking auth
moiety: you don't count, you have too many to marry!
moiety: no i meant you couldn't marry them all
bitcoinpete: mircea_popescu: this, i did not know about gribs
moiety: i suppose i will just have to get more cats and read reddit more
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4850 @ 0.00093384 = 4.5291 BTC [+]
moiety: is it just me that gets really bored of reddit?
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5700 @ 0.00093553 = 5.3325 BTC [+]
bitcoinpete: it's asciilifeform that's the big moldbug fan, right?
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assbot: Mouthbreathing Machiavellis Dream Of A Silicon Reich | Blog | The Baffler
bitcoinpete: "In short, Moldbug reads like an overconfident autodidact’s imitation of a Lewis Lapham essay—if Lewis Lapham were a fascist teenage Dungeon Master."
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bitcoinpete: the rest of the article is about some anticapitalist tranarchist (transgender anarchist) who became a hard-right seditionist and created a petition to put eric schmidt in the white house as "ceo of america"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7650 @ 0.00093384 = 7.1439 BTC [-]
bitcoinpete: asciilifeform: lol maybe in part 2 of this epic series
HeySteve: "so spurious it was deleted from wikipedia." lol
HeySteve: checking out this Moldbug guy, sounds interesting
dignork: asciilifeform: they where probably underage