assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5700 @ 0.00085519 = 4.8746 BTC [-]
gribble: Current Blocks: 305334 | Current Difficulty: 1.1756551916903952E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 306431 | Next Difficulty In: 1097 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 0 days, 14 hours, 50 minutes, and 0 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 12251801307.5 | Estimated Percent Change: 4.21254
BingoBoingo: I really don't think we are making it to a third adjustment.
BingoBoingo: The trend says yes, but the externalities say no.
BingoBoingo: lol, is that Dogecoin trying to build some interest?
BingoBoingo: Anyone ever front you that billion Doge to take a short position?
mircea_popescu: in spite of all the pretense as to "exchanges" and tips and whatnot, it'd seem 99%+ of all doges are actually held by the admin group
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15450 @ 0.00085428 = 13.1986 BTC [-] {3}
benkay: huh check out that registration date
kakobrekla: dunno then why silicon valley isnt silicon anymore.
assbot: Snowdenbot wasnt just for TED, now lives in his ACLU lawyers office | Ars Technica
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SHA] 5 @ 0.042 = 0.21 BTC
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Some people instead of just doing IRC get a small car instead?
assbot: US Marshals step in, thwart efforts to learn about cell tracking devices | Ars Technica
BingoBoingo: Yeah. Amazing how records request can have problems.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35100 @ 0.00085407 = 29.9779 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21522 @ 0.00085677 = 18.4394 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: Major terrorism trial could be held in secret for first time in UK legal history | Law | theguardian.com
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6550 @ 0.00086204 = 5.6464 BTC [+] {2}
Blazedout419: omg so who is going to buy into sha on havelock?
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> imagine a manufacturer of, say, ups, or tv, whatnot, posting an update like this. << this is a 2012 comment.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> this is also the answer for why 'heartbleed' was necessary, considering that usg has at-will access to root certs << not that simple.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SHA] 50 @ 0.042 = 2.1 BTC
assbot: Major terrorism trial could be held in secret for first time in UK legal history | Law | theguardian.com
mircea_popescu: on one hand, the legal principle that dorks a la mari reid & her crew may be kept secret will logically extend to defendants, too.
mircea_popescu: now any terrorist and any tax evader has good title to refuse any sort of information sharing, much like the prosecutor's own men do.
mircea_popescu: moreover, they have very little option in the matter, as their safety strictly depends on this sort of secrecy.
mircea_popescu: basically, technology has already made the state impossible, just at the time bitcoin showed up but mostly unrelated to it.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.26079984 = 1.304 BTC [+] {2}
Mats_cd03: asciilifeform sees monsters in the shadows
Mats_cd03: like it costs the telcos money to staff people responding to LEO requests for access
Mats_cd03: and mitm is just simpler in execution
Mats_cd03: i was under the impression the equipment for this kind of thing was approaching <$1000
Mats_cd03: i generally presume incompetence before malice
dub: femtocells, meh you get to use your handset
dub: thats up to provider
Mats_cd03: neat, ill have something else i can do with the device im ordering
assbot: HakShop — HackRF Pre-Order
dub: well if you're counting minutes on your mobile, im sorry
Mats_cd03: asciilifeform is probably going to tell me im getting ripped off
dub: nobody has a hardline these days so its a valid offering
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform thye're not so considered in europe but idem gohing extinct
dub: I have pots signal on my dsl line but I couldnt tell you the number
mircea_popescu: (trivial to tap too. if you think gsm cypher is bad, try headset-and-hairpins)
Mats_cd03: poor cell tower coverage, necessary to have a working phone in an emergency (e.g. elderly person), zombie apocalypse, etc
Mats_cd03: i suppose i should scale it back to natural disaster
dub: the emergency service arguemtn for pots is fast becomming irrelevant as teh network becomes less resilient
Mats_cd03: and how is it becoming less resilient
dub: you're not wired back to a full CO anymore and the cabinet has no better battery than a cell tower
dub sheds a tear for his DMS100 days
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22850 @ 0.00086895 = 19.8555 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9200 @ 0.00086895 = 7.9943 BTC [+]
assbot: [Havelock] Bitcoin Difficulty Derivative (BDD) | Page 19 | Bitcointa.lk
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17699 @ 0.00086062 = 15.2321 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: <Mats_cd03> and how is it becoming less resilient << no comms network is as resilient as the internet
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35050 @ 0.00085359 = 29.9183 BTC [-] {3}
gribble: Current Blocks: 305362 | Current Difficulty: 1.1756551916903952E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 306431 | Next Difficulty In: 1069 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 6 days, 19 hours, 24 minutes, and 50 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 12309778451.9 | Estimated Percent Change: 4.70569
cgcardona_: ok just wanted to check if this nick had any messages
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 627.91, Best ask: 629.8, Bid-ask spread: 1.89000, Last trade: 627.9, 24 hour volume: 9746.28690195, 24 hour low: 615.0, 24 hour high: 645.0, 24 hour vwap: 629.9017398
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24600 @ 0.00085786 = 21.1034 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: "The problem here is not the diagnosis, which I share, nor the proposed solutions, which are proper and potent to repel the growing democratic sickness that chokes human creation. Bitcoin provides us a critical escape from forced trust in unaccountable monopolies. However, trust in transactions, per se, should not be the object of ire and in fact cannot be if we want to participate in beneficial ways. Distributed ledg
mircea_popescu: ers obviate the need for trust in the money changers, but humans are still trust-seeking and Bitcoin is still money and money is still trust. In a post-Bitcoin world, trust will become more important than ever."
gribble: You rated user princessnell on Sun May 11 18:26:16 2014, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: procurer for the #bitcoin-assets dungeon..
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating for user princessnell has changed from 1 to 2.
BingoBoingo: Defintely on the ball in ways Ms boring isn't. Forbes picked the loser.
atcbot: 20k@264 16k@260 35k@250 | 49k@143 175k@142 34k@140
assbot: The Coinion | Bitcoin's Finest News Source
BingoBoingo: You'd think the incentive your PR dropped for them on the forum would have got them reaching for 300 in a year
assbot: Introducing: The Coinion, Bitcoin's Finest News Source! Onion-clone for Bitcoin
assbot: the shit triangle - Mystery of the Mundane
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27950 @ 0.00085786 = 23.9772 BTC [+]
Vexual: I left a shit triangle next to a dumpster last night
Vexual: that sounded funnier in my head
Vexual: is THAT the shit triangle?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23820 @ 0.00085172 = 20.288 BTC [-] {4}
decimation: princessnell's essay is a good read indeed
assbot: Bitcoin Is Great, But It Won’t Fix Our Monkey Brains | The mlaut
decimation: "Trying to supplant our nature with technology is a losing prospect that gets it completely backwards." << what's amusing is that much of the ruling ideology of the USG is exactly this
decimation: nearly every gov't department wants to find ways of removing actual human accountability for problems while finding a way to produce government ex machina
decimation: well, anyone with a basic understanding of human nature will realize that humans attempt to shirk responsibility if they think they can get away with it
decimation: waiting around and doing nothing while you hope a magic "process" or "committee" or "standarization" will do your job constitutes at least 50% of western officeworker employment
Vexual: developed any printer filaments lately?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59000 @ 0.00085271 = 50.3099 BTC [+] {3}
davout: morning asseteers and asseteerettes
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 17 @ 0.0235999 = 0.4012 BTC [+]
decimation: Vexual: what do you mean by printer filaments? 3d printers?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43813 @ 0.00084823 = 37.1635 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 11 @ 0.0699998 = 0.77 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SHA] 5 @ 0.042 = 0.21 BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19800 @ 0.00085065 = 16.8429 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42537 @ 0.000843 = 35.8587 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1950 @ 0.000825 = 1.6088 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.24228941 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 105 @ 0.00229967 = 0.2415 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0675001 = 0.135 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.06769949 = 0.677 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 52 @ 0.02826731 = 1.4699 BTC [+] {3}
diana_coman: thanks BingoBoingo, I think I actually should be voiced if I get auth
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 22 @ 0.06999999 = 1.54 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41788 @ 0.00082685 = 34.5524 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.07 = 0.49 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 174 @ 0.00229957 = 0.4001 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 129 @ 0.00229967 = 0.2967 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.2608866 = 0.7827 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.2608886 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 9 @ 0.2608887 = 2.348 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07 = 0.35 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31900 @ 0.00083011 = 26.4805 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07 = 0.14 BTC [+]
Namworld: Dafuq youtube... giving me before my video a 1 hour ad video about Bitcoin, "Ride the Great Coming Wave"... Such a scammy ad.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8744 @ 0.00083011 = 7.2585 BTC [+]
davout: 33a89ace5b971c3ed5862af1cbe272da
☟︎ assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.2608887 BTC [+]
Mats_cd03: ;;later tell vexual no is that something i should care about
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13036 @ 0.00083814 = 10.926 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: <+mircea_popescu> someone translate this ? /// looks Antifragile-inspired (i started reading it yesterday)
assbot: Dear conference organizers: my wife says I have enough t-shirts and you should start giving out trousers. Thank you for understanding.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4464 @ 0.00083624 = 3.733 BTC [-]
assbot: LEGO Creator: MINI Cooper Designer Video - YouTube
assbot: Let's Bring Back the Fax Machine | Motherboard
davout: in case someone was lulz-deprived
dub: and one of them posting 400btc for your head
fluffypony: princessnell favourited my tweet, I'm well on my way to Internet fame :-P
davout: i'm waiting for phinneaus to show up on -assets again, so i can pierce him a second butthole in front of everyone
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39687 @ 0.00083753 = 33.2391 BTC [+] {3}
davout: ;;gettrust assbot starsoccer
davout: o, you can already voice yourself ><
davout: kakobrekla: boiled down version goes something like this
dub: the dude has <70 IQ, the end?
davout: "davout stole 1132 BTC from me, so let's do something really smart here, if someone manages to make him cough up that amount, he can send me 732 BTC and keep 400 BTC for himself"
davout: which boils down even further ti "donate 400 BTC to me"
dub: 'but I'll settle for US$50k!'
dub: now forum rocket scientists are like, SO IF I SEND YOU $50K YOU SEND ME 400BTC?!
davout: starsoccer: i already have someone willing to do it for only 100 BTC, sorry!
starsoccer: you send him 50k USD then we split 400btc so you get 200btc and i get 200btc
davout: kinda fun going into the office and have everyone be like "o hai, you have a 400 btc contract on your head" :D
dub: HIRE SOME SERBS TO GET IT
dub: this sardokan guy is sure he is getting paid
davout: dub: he's being sardokanastic
dub: ah, I was teetering that way but I err on the side of retard
mircea_popescu: i feel so left out. who's sandokan ? other than some bollywood action star from the 80s
assbot: Sandokan Tribute - YouTube
davout: he's a french guy that i've met a couple of times, also forumite
assbot: New 400 BTC Bounty Pales Roger Ver's 37.6 BTC Bounty for Return of Stolen BTC
mircea_popescu: decimation: waiting around and doing nothing while you hope a magic "process" or "committee" or "standarization" will do your job constitutes at least 50% of western officeworker employment << the best part is that this used to actually work, a century or so ago.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17000 @ 0.0008361 = 14.2137 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: blackwhite the reason you can't say anything is that you';re not in assbot's l2 wot. have you been reading the logs or just idling idly ?
mircea_popescu: davout what's the backstory on "At the onset of the InstaWallet fiasco, all three URLs didn't have a bitcoin wallet associated with the generated pages. It wasn't till after I brought it to Boussac's attention that the lesser bitcoin-containing wallet was well-document that it mysterious had the associated wallet address visible on the URL generated site. This is why they refuse to release the name of the forensics aud
mircea_popescu: itor(s) because there wasn't one (or more, according to Boussac), in spite of them saying they couldn't because of some fuckin' idiotic NDA clause." ?
blackwhite: I have just been busy so primarily just reading once in a while. Was more involved earlier.
blackwhite: but getting back to getting more involved again.
mircea_popescu: blackwhite right. so meanwhile the channel is +m, to get voice you have to pm assbot !up which only works if you're trusted to any degree by someone assbot trusts.
davout: mircea_popescu: what specific part of the story are you curious about ?
mircea_popescu: well let's see. instawallet had a system whereby ownership is proven by url. the guy had 3 urls. what was not associated with what ?
mircea_popescu: his generative grammar is quite bizarre, i can't follow statements like "all three didn't" worth a crap.
davout: two of his URLs matched to nothing, pretty simple
Apocalyptic: <mircea_popescu> phin put a 400 btc bounty on davout's head !? //looks like it
mircea_popescu: davout what do you mean his and what do you mean nothing
davout: i mean "SELECT COUNT(*) FROM wallets WHERE key = '<phinns wallet key>'" == 0
mircea_popescu: in other news, "Following massive rainfalls in Misiones, Argentina, and Santa Catarina and Paraná, Brazil, the famous Iguazú Falls are now overflowing, carrying 46,300 cubic meters per second—33 times the usual water flow rate."
mircea_popescu: davout uh. so then how is it possible he thought he had something there ?
davout: i dunno, and tbh i would like to know too
davout: some people fell for the "oh hey, here is our tor hidden service for instawallet, deposit bitches"
Apocalyptic: "BTW, I would not rule out the possiblity that Boussac himself is a victim of davout to some extent" who's Boussac again ?
davout: except we didn't have a tor hidden service
mircea_popescu: davout so is it possible whoever broke in deleted some records too ?
davout: i checked for that against a few backups
davout: one of the first things i thought of
pankkake: What is it about FRENCH GUYS and Bitcoin?
pankkake: Karpeles, those Dealco guys out of HK, now these scammers
davout: i don't really recall from the top of my head
davout: i tried to find partial url matches too
mircea_popescu: well were they a week older than the live db ?a month ? more ?
davout: i tried to search by balances
davout: a month or two i think
mircea_popescu: so as best you can determine, there's a month+ interval where according to phinn he had 1k+ btc, but according to your db he had not ?
davout: hence me asking for the deposit addresses and/or the funding transactions
davout: that's what the backups convey
assbot: As estan las Cataratas del Iguazu con la crecida - YouTube
mircea_popescu: so did you say this to him ? did you get any sort of response ?
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: he gets asked to prove he deposited 1100+ BTC into Instawallet, providing a transaction ID or a signed BTC addy that sent it or ANYTHING, and he just ignores those requests or talks around them
davout: i asked him "o hey, maybe it could help me if you gave me the deposit addresses"
davout: the idea being that i could have checked against backups of bitcoind wallets as well with such an information
davout: well that's kind of what i figured, and i also figured he'd be too dumb to explore the blockchain by himself
assbot: Vitalik Buterin reveals Ethereum at Bitcoin Miami 2014 - YouTube
davout: so i went there and used tracked all the addresses linked in any way to the unique IW cold storage address
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: sure, BUT if he EVER sent money from Instawallet to someone (say as payment for something) and message'd or email'd them the transaction ID he'd have that, he'd have SOMETHING that could be used
mircea_popescu: davout so he does not make a specific claim to either address or transaction, he makes a specific claim as to balance and to url which can't be verified, is the thing ?
davout: once i had a massive collection of addresses i checked for an address whose received totals matched the balances he claimed, to no avail
davout: took a few days for the script to reverse-explore the chain from the CS address
fluffypony: every thread that's popped up that I've read has him claiming those two Instawallet URLs (plus a third that had 0.825 BTC or something that he disregards), but no further evidence
mircea_popescu: this seems a fools errand as im sure his balance didn't come in one chunk.
davout: ended up with around ~100k addresses to check, none of them received the amounts he mentions in the timeframe he mentions
davout: mircea_popescu: no, because i checked for totals
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: davout's talking about searching for the total received for each address in a timeframe
davout: fluffypony: not the received total in a timeframe actually, the received total, and then i checked manually the actual deposits against these addresses
davout: because the guy is pretty specific, 1000 BTC and 132 BTC, sent in december 2012 to an instawallet address
davout: he even provides the exchange rate at the time, this way i'm sure it's not 2011 or whatever
mircea_popescu: i don't see much substance to his claim it'd be coming out of 1DavouTAsveznCFHsz688xvbrRAq4u2qm8 going to 16d1yGrEDqSY1xhCnAUWrkahGY2mkWdAYk
fluffypony: yeah it's almost like he thinks it impossible that davout could independently have 1k BTC and it *must* come from him
mircea_popescu: fluffypony but if you look at the incoming to that addy, there's no matching chunk
assbot: Bitcoin Transaction 84c505049bb782b490cc3fb7633238082afb2a2ec21bf1ea0596d6cbc2a61c1e
davout: mircea_popescu fluffypony he can go ask jgarzik, the guy paid me 5678 BTC back in the day, also i got into bitcoin at such a time that i mined some blocks on a goddamn CPU
mircea_popescu: but anyway davout so why is he claiming you won't release the liquidator;'s name ?
mircea_popescu: that's exactly contrary to normal procedure, what's that all about ?
davout: he's imagining there is a liquidator
davout: i never said there was one, i said there had been an audit
davout: it was a post-mortem security audit
davout: the guy is very confused
davout: i stopped answering him because i saw he could not grasp some very simple things
davout: i explained to him how a shared wallet works, later he refers to it as mumble-jumble
mircea_popescu: "Reserved to announced that I have reunited with my lost investment."
davout: he's definitely not francophile
mircea_popescu: no but i mean he makes these sentences that break my parser all the time
fluffypony: pankkake: I'm betting yes on "tttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttt"
mircea_popescu: "Ideally, I prefer to have the entire 1,132 BTC, sans the 400 BTC bounty amount, paid in full to me, but knowing that sometimes arbitration takes place, I'm willing to settle for a minimal amount, with anybody acting as liaison to broker their reward up to 100% of what I may finally recognize. The minimum I'm welling to settle for is $50K USD via BTC or fiat to compensate for my initial investment and the mega hours I
mircea_popescu: have put into this fiasco, not to mention the stress."
mircea_popescu: wait so the bounty is out of lol wtf how does this work
fluffypony: *if* he gets it he'll pay out 400 BTC or something
davout: the guy is confused, my only hope is that he lawyers up, so that someone can finally talk some sense into him
fluffypony: the whole arrangement is confusing as hell
mircea_popescu: so basically what he';s trying to do here is send davout to the forum collections agency ?
davout: also, for the sake of keeping a public record, the script i used to explore the blockchain in order to try and find his deposit address, none of the two i was looking for appeared
assbot: Private Paste - Pastie
fluffypony: maybe he's hoping that by throwing enough of a tantrum davout will just throw money at him
davout: mircea_popescu: instawallet's former cold storage address -> 1FrtkNXastDoMAaorowys27AKQERxgmZjY
mircea_popescu: fluffypony generally i kinda like phinn, he's very diligent, quite passionate and an off the path sort of thinker
mircea_popescu: davout service address is a postal address where one receives service of process
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: yeah I'm talking purely about the way he's treating this particular issue, not in general
fluffypony: the constant stream of new threads doesn't play into his favour
davout: also, our server hard drives were given to law enforcement when we filed our complaint back in april 2013
mircea_popescu: davout so make a single post in that thread, containing paymium's service address, a statement that you've tried to the best of your ability to identify his claims but didn'
mircea_popescu: t so far manage to do so and a optionally a link to here to detail that.
davout: in other words, it would simply be best if the guy sued
mircea_popescu: there doesn't seem to be much room for any sort of mediation
fluffypony: once the body of evidence is presented his lawyer would (one hopes) be able to explain things to him
chetty: so basically he is claiming a deposit with no actual evidence he made it? Wonder if that would work with my bank?
fluffypony: give it a spin, let us know how it goes
davout: gotta get off, i'll be back later tonight if someone wants to discuss this further
gribble: I currently have notes waiting for agentx24, anarkitty, bakinat, bcb, bitcoingirl, cevidad, frankenmint, Immukization, jtrunerbtc, kyledrake, moiety, MurphyLawn, nubbins, nubbins`, nubbins`i, Phinnaeus, RainMan28, ryepdx, starsoccer9, ThickasTheives, and vexual.
gribble: Phinnaeus was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 week, 1 day, 11 hours, 30 minutes, and 54 seconds ago: <Phinnaeus> later
mircea_popescu: I don't understand why phinnaeus would pay 400BTC for 50K$, but I can write the agreement with him and make the deal : Davout will send to trusted escrow 50K$ (in dollard or BTC) Phinnaeus will send to escrow 400 BTC when escrow have both, he will send me 400 BTC and send Phinnaeus is 50K$. I will then send 300 BTC to Davout. We will all waive the right to terminate this agreement and to all actions regarding the insta
pankkake: my experience of the forum is that there is no shortage of high profile delusional scammers, that of course don't think themselves as such
pankkake: but davout being a mod there, I don't trust him either!
fluffypony: he mods the French sub-forum, it's not exactly a position of power
pankkake: it comes with a special status
assbot: Go out french moderator !
mircea_popescu: i dunno what to make of this personally. i kinda like phinn and all, but so far this claim of his is not going too far.
mircea_popescu: i don't doubt he had 1k or so btc at some point, and i don't doubt he genuinely lost it somehow.
mircea_popescu: certainly better than trying to hijack bitcoin's for the purpose of communication.
mircea_popescu: assbot: Dear conference organizers: my wife says I have enough t-shirts and you should start giving out trousers. Thank you for understanding. << lol someone ain't wearing undies ?
mircea_popescu: "I got swept up in the mania last November and dared to invest my life saving into purchasing 1 bitcoin, just as it was near peak. That turned out to be a terrible purchase for me"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.0707059 = 0.2121 BTC [+]
fluffypony: "the price didn't move in the direction I expected in 6 months! suicide time!"
mircea_popescu: I bought several at $1.000, many others at $550, but at the end, I am a looser in term of financial results.
mircea_popescu: But absolutely Hodling. Never sold any Bitcoin, only bought and HODL
TomServo: something awful, I would guess
mircea_popescu: well because they're pretty irrelevant by now, so you wouldn't normally know.
mircea_popescu: but yeah, originally it was all "o, how the bitcoiners don't understand basic socialism as canon accepted by everyone"
mircea_popescu: then it was "o the press in its quest for bullshit is betraying the holy canon of socialism"
mircea_popescu: by now it's sunk into the depths of pathetic : trying to get a thread going, which gets 6 pages out of which 2/3 is their kindling
mircea_popescu: i mean any half-literate scammer in sierra-leone can get a good flamewar raging for 500 pages in two weeks, the self appointed cream of teh internets slash intellectual core of progressivism can't even get to 12 ?!
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 12 @ 0.070706 = 0.8485 BTC [+]
gribble: Current Blocks: 305435 | Current Difficulty: 1.1756551916903952E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 306431 | Next Difficulty In: 996 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 6 days, 4 hours, 28 minutes, and 19 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 12414329811.7 | Estimated Percent Change: 5.59499
ThickAsThieves: you know it's just gonna explode during the diff before the bet
mike_c: spoken like a man who has been creamed in the past betting against difficulty
mircea_popescu: he got it pretty bad at some point i recall, what was it, 50 btc ?
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mike_c: echo "td { overflow: hidden; }" >> bitbet.css
mircea_popescu: fluffypony they finally figured out that 60% return rate isn't really such a good number ?
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assbot: BitBet - Difficulty over 21Bn by Summer's end 2014 :: 0.6 B (55%) on Yes, 0.48 B (45%) on No | closing in 2 months 1 week| weight: 90`314 (100`000 to 3)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.06800105 = 0.136 BTC [-] {2}
moiety: i've had such a disater moving! i've had no internet
moiety: lol well i am finally in and almost out of the other one
moiety: relying on transport help is not good for moving
mircea_popescu: lol so i moved across the ocean faster than you did across town ?
mike_c: kakobrekla: does opera render diffrently on proposition page? those crazy titles go off my screen
moiety: I'm sorry i didn't even have email. flipping library is being refurbed. how is everyone?
moiety: lolpretty much mircea_popescu i ran out of funds half way and was in this empty flat for a few days
mircea_popescu: pretty great. you have the logs of all time to go through now :D
mircea_popescu: but yeah, i wasn't in rift for about a month, people were throwing a fit
[]bot: Bet placed: 1 BTC for Yes on "Difficulty over 21Bn by Summer's end 2014"
http://bitbet.us/bet/877/ Odds: 73(Y):27(N) by coin, 73(Y):27(N) by weight. Total bet: 2.175 BTC. Current weight: 90,308.
moiety: honestly i wish id had the logs when i had no internet lol have you all settled in now then mircea_popescu?
kakobrekla: doesnt your browser know of word-wrap: break-word;
mike_c: you mean "word-break: break-word;"
fluffypony: I think I'm going to try that this w/e and report back
fluffypony: advantage of having a vegetarian wife: more for me
mike_c: break broken, looks like you fixed it?
fluffypony: of course, she'll probably outlive me by 20 years, but c'est la vie
mircea_popescu: actually someone should make a lolpost about "break the age glass ceiling! women should be killed off by the government so that on average they live as long as men!!11"
kakobrekla: mike_c i just made your browser reload css
mike_c: versioned statics are good.
mike_c: working now, thank you for hitting ctrl-r for me.
mircea_popescu: moiety you still have a btc with me, got an address yet ?
moiety: i do but there's a lot of time left
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6500 @ 0.00083601 = 5.4341 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: re propositions and rss, do you ppl want pending and approved/rejected sources or just the latter
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2907 @ 0.00083601 = 2.4303 BTC [-]
mike_c: that would be more json than rss
kakobrekla: if i would be the author if it, id kill myself.
mircea_popescu: mike_c doesn't rss have field extensibility ? you gotta use cdata ?
mike_c: it's more that rss is for updates. so you have entry for pending, then later an entry for approved/rejected?
fluffypony: Gaven Andresen answered a question on Reddit, it's nice to know Redditards have switched from religious metaphors to pop culture:
assbot: kinoshitajona comments on [Serious] I couldn't answer this question when discussing Bitcoin with my Dad: Isn't it sometimes beneficial to allow governments to stabilise their currency if there is uncontrollable inflation/deflation due to unavoidable events? Wouldn't a global currency cause poorer countries to be left behind?
mike_c: how will argentina issue worthless bonds in bitcoin??
mike_c: maybe bitbet propositions issue is simply solved by showing all props for last 30 days.
mike_c: instead of just 50 or whatever
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SF1] 333 @ 0.00035999 = 0.1199 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SF1] 384 @ 0.00035979 = 0.1382 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12950 @ 0.00082939 = 10.7406 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: of fucking course a global currency would cause poorer countriesd to be left behind
assbot: As estan las Cataratas del Iguazu con la crecida - YouTube
mircea_popescu: that is the fucking point of currency and more generally life on earth. so that lazier kids get left behind in footbal practice, and that dumber kids get left behind dating
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benkay: if it gets you in a barrel and over the falls sign me up
benkay: i like this part of the logs where i can ignore the derping about some idiot trying to scam davout
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.87487208 BTC to 8`766 shares, 21388 satoshi per share
benkay: wait that was hardly any logs at all
mike_c: i like how the query parameters are order-dependent :D
benkay: positional url parameters
mike_c: very pythonic, *args and **kwargs
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7550 @ 0.00082137 = 6.2013 BTC [-]
benkay: "yeah sure, i'll take whatever you throw at me."
benkay: "just a big gaping hole over here - please to insert datadicks"
assbot: New 400 BTC Bounty Pales Roger Ver's 37.6 BTC Bounty for Return of Stolen BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25600 @ 0.00082466 = 21.1113 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SF1] 415 @ 0.00035978 = 0.1493 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SF1] 387 @ 0.00035957 = 0.1392 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SF1] 645 @ 0.00035769 = 0.2307 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27700 @ 0.00082137 = 22.7519 BTC [-]
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http://imgur.com/jmcSFTx) assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SF1] 850 @ 0.00035501 = 0.3018 BTC [-] {2}
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http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=bigtip Apocalyptic: mircea_popescu, the salmon looks really delicious, so far I knew how to cook a similar dish, without the wine and spice though
mircea_popescu: but anyway, salmon isvery tolerant. you can eat it raw, you can eat it cooked to any degree
gribble: unbalanced was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 26 weeks, 0 days, 2 hours, 21 minutes, and 53 seconds ago: <unbalanced> Little Bitcoin icon on the package and everything
mircea_popescu: oft times ill just put it to fire for a few minutes and have it for breakfast
Apocalyptic: <mircea_popescu> why without the wine and spice ? // that's the way I learnt it
chetty: wine is not a usual ingredient of teriyaki
chetty: but to be fair he did say it was heretic version :) and sounds pretty good
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5047 @ 0.00082466 = 4.1621 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3803 @ 0.00082466 = 3.1362 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31597 @ 0.00082955 = 26.2113 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: Ok so here's a story : BitBet curently has 19 World Cup bets open. The average bet on these is .175 (excluding house and mpif), like so .79, .44, 0, .21, .60, .10, .54, .03, 0, 0, .01, 0, .05, .28, .01, .04, 0, .11, .11. Now, on top of these, there's no less than 30 bets pending approval on WC, pretty much "X country will advance from groups".
mircea_popescu: obviously mods wanted to consult. now, in the spirit of being in argentina and these people loving the wc, i ok'd the whole bulk
mircea_popescu: but, let me point out, this is pretty horrible business for bitbet, per se. and obviously, i'll be using this data to inform further decisions on what to accept.
mircea_popescu: so logically a) if you wonder later why your zeroconf sports bet got rejected by mods, the reason ios probably here and b) if you want to see sport bets on bitbet, this is a bad time to sit and watch and a great time to get involved.
mike_c: sport bets do fine on bitbet (see nba finals bets). soccer on the other hand..
mike_c: Bet created: "Much grass will grow while waiting for somebody to score a goal"
mike_c: you argentines should be watching manu ginobli beat the crap out of lebron.
mircea_popescu: obviously also a great time to affliate bitbet, but then again, i couldn't even find an affiliate manager at all
mircea_popescu: apparently everyone wants to sit on his ass and derp on reddit about things, nobody wants to work anymore
mike_c: an awesome argentine basketball player currently winning the nba finals.
mike_c: there's a couple frenchies winning too.
mike_c: amazingly, after getting drilled in the ribs, one of the frenchies did not immediately give up but played through!
nubbins`: what exactly is an affiliate manager, anyway
nubbins`: also, what's pacific salmon like? i've only ever had atlantic :(
nubbins`: except for that one time in japan, but that was a long time ago and also my first sushi experience
nubbins`: so the whole thing is a bit rose-colored
mircea_popescu: and an affiliate manager is a guy who knows a lot of affiliate marketeers who trust him.
nubbins`: i swear i didn't confuse argentina with chile :(
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i don't even know what the state of the industry is anymore. 20 years ago you had the legitimate folk and then the dumb noobs pretending, much like in bitcoin
mircea_popescu: maybe in the meanwhile it died, i dunno. probable, judging by the fact that everyone i used to know back then is off the grid.
mircea_popescu: anyway, in 1994 a good affiliate could send you even 100k clicks which'd convert upwards of 10%
kakobrekla: i think lots of such people moved to seo and such
benkay: <mike_c> sport bets do fine on bitbet (see nba finals bets). soccer on the other hand.. // implying footie's not a sport?
mircea_popescu: im prettysure they were doing plenty of seo whatever back then
assbot: BitBet - Yankees to get most all-star selections :: 0.03 B (25%) on Yes, 0.09 B (75%) on No | closing in 3 weeks 5 days | weight: 94`494 (100`000 to 1)
assbot: BitBet - Billy Hamilton Rookie of the Year :: 0.08 B (45%) on Yes, 0.09 B (55%) on No | closing in 4 months 3 weeks | weight: 96`230 (100`000 to 1)
assbot: BitBet - Dee Gordon, Most Stolen Bases 2014 :: 0.07 B (70%) on Yes, 0.03 B (30%) on No | closing in 3 months 4 days | weight: 92`205 (100`000 to 1)
assbot: BitBet - Nadal to win French Open :: 0.13 B (59%) on Yes, 0.09 B (41%) on No | closed 1 week 1 day ago
mircea_popescu: basically this is the best proof bitcoin is populated by nerds
benkay: sports betting is a mass thing anyways, isn't it?
assbot: BitBet - A golfer from USA will win the 2014 Masters :: 0.06 B (47%) on Yes, 0.07 B (53%) on No | closed 2 months 2 days ago
assbot: BitBet - OKC Thunder to top NBA regular season rankings :: 0.03 B (30%) on Yes, 0.07 B (70%) on No | closed 2 months 1 day ago
assbot: BitBet - Joel Embiid to be #1 NBA Draft Pick :: 0.22 B (71%) on Yes, 0.09 B (29%) on No | closing in 1 week 5 days | weight: 90`156 (100`000 to 75`000)
kakobrekla: well that kuka bet was kinda interesting until it was shown its scripted
diametric: i can't wait for the berkshire bet to resolve.
assbot: BitBet - An Eastern Conference team will win the NBA Finals :: 0.97 B (43%) on Yes, 1.28 B (57%) on No | closed 1 week 5 days ago
assbot: BitBet - Spurs to win 2014 NBA Finals :: 0.8 B (41%) on Yes, 1.13 B (59%) on No | closed 1 week 17 hours ago
kakobrekla: but yea, bitcoin people only interested in bitcoin.
mike_c: well, that's not quite true. you do keep one of the house bets.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SHA] 10 @ 0.042 = 0.42 BTC
kakobrekla: new categories: difficulty, price action, stocks, arrests.
mircea_popescu: well guess what! in the past year there's exactly one sports bet that went over 5. you know which ?
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla definitely sports don't merit their own category im thinking.
kakobrekla: but it helps to keep that part separated from the good part
mircea_popescu: the way I figure it, if the wc set fails to attract 500 btc total pool, we'll just ditch sports as a category and mostly reject all proposed sports bet without zeroconf
kakobrekla: perhaps yea if its presented circle like
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla do me a favour, calculat ethe sum pool over the sports bets past 365 days
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes, but that's the same bitcents they do here
mike_c: another: they aren't used to betting on games parimutuel style
los_pantalones: i can say the bitbet contracts don't really do it for me
mircea_popescu: mike_c the other way to formulate this is, sports bettors are not motivated by the money. they expect specific sorts of services provided
mircea_popescu: los_pantalones drinks, tits, streaming game, betting tips, a whole atmosphere such as it is
los_pantalones: we spoke briefly about this before, bitbet is well suited to get an accurate prediction
mike_c: contract bets. with bids/asks.
los_pantalones: there is vol in the expectation of the outcome of the event during the event, the price moves
los_pantalones: where you can only bet one side, so bitbet already better in that regard
mircea_popescu: im not sure why you think what you're describing isn't already present on bitbet.
mike_c: it doesn't have fixed odds
mircea_popescu: los_pantalones let me translate what you just described in bitbet terms.
mircea_popescu: so, on 1st of month bet MP vs LP is made. game is set for 5th. bet closes on 7th.
los_pantalones: looking at bosnia will advance to group stage, the betting closes 23-06-2014, is that after the last potential match
los_pantalones: i was under the impression the bet closed before the event
mircea_popescu: one hour later, weight being 84,500 you decide to buy more LP
mircea_popescu: then you want to push the other way ? bet a little more on mp. so its now 58k to 37k
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla that can't be past year. it must be all time
mircea_popescu: los_pantalones which is why i need a bunch of fucking affiliates
mircea_popescu: to explain this to people, who otherwise would be betting
assbot: BitBet - Brazil will win FIFA World Cup 2014 :: 0.49 B (26%) on Yes, 1.41 B (74%) on No | closing in 1 day 6 hours | weight: 486 (100`000 to 1)
mircea_popescu: AND the beauty of parimutuel is that you can always adjust your exposure to a pot %
mircea_popescu: you wish to have 1% of the pot, you can make sure you do no matter what happens
mike_c: *provided infinite capital.
mircea_popescu: mike_c provided you own the % of total world capital that you wish your % of the pool to be
mircea_popescu: if you own 1% of all bitcoin, you're guaranteed a 1% slice of any bet pool you ever wish to have.
mircea_popescu: anyway, this bitchfest of mine has yielded quite actionable advice from the chan that's +IQ
mircea_popescu: specifically, i'll make the mods put close dates for sports bets AFTER the event.
benkay: too bad about that mircea_popescu bitbet, eh
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla hey listen, we take the close date on the recent WC batch from 24th to 26th ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.25037377 BTC [-]
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mircea_popescu: just do it like this : current resolutrion date becomes close date
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.25036387 = 0.5007 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 13 @ 0.02982307 = 0.3877 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: i wonder if people's cvs will end up including links to ba logs where i go "my bad"
benkay: mine has the links to my few good ideas
los_pantalones: oh come to think of it, i love the decay feature of the bitbet on a live event
mircea_popescu: los_pantalones yes but 100k to 1 is too much for sports.
los_pantalones: prevents all the last minute people glomming onto the trade
mircea_popescu: consider our case. bet is made on 1st. weight is 100k. if someone puts 10 btc on it then, it's sealed.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2200 @ 0.0000628 = 0.1382 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: but if the most it collects is the few bicents we mostly get currently,
mircea_popescu: then a few bitcoin bets during the event make sense, even if they're 1/10 weight
mircea_popescu: so from now on, sports bets will end at 10k, and close after the event.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4576 @ 0.00082137 = 3.7586 BTC [-]
los_pantalones: mircea_popescu, you are a gentleman and a scholar, tyvm
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.25038479 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: this should also work nicely with []bot's live streaming of bets.
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mircea_popescu: no idea what i'll do with this entertainment section tho, it's even more fucked up than sports currently.
mircea_popescu: Confirmed total: 14820 BTC. so like 1.482 btc average pool
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 616.93, Best ask: 618.88, Bid-ask spread: 1.95000, Last trade: 616.93, 24 hour volume: 8565.07142918, 24 hour low: 613.71, 24 hour high: 640.79, 24 hour vwap: 623.452038028
benkay: more girls naked in public please and less...horrorshow.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.25038589 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.25039089 = 0.5008 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.25039599 = 0.5008 BTC [+]
jurov: i hate how this question comes to me at exactly such moment.. S.MPOE dividend was not paid yet?
kakobrekla: <mircea_popescu> wait is that a heart or a butt < buartt
jurov: and thus, "it's in the logs" meme was born.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17327 @ 0.00082239 = 14.2496 BTC [+] {2}
jurov: it's possible to have direct links for a category?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36400 @ 0.00082672 = 30.0926 BTC [+]
jurov: i want to spam around with "bet on worldcup nao", such link would help
jurov: ofc it should accept ?ref
jurov: lol kakobrekla, that was very exhausting answer
kakobrekla: categories are linked from single bet view
jurov: i see, it's helpfully nod underlined
gribble slaps kakobrekla with a parenthetical clay
mircea_popescu: "I have no interest at all in shooting 4K for adult. It's all I can do to make some of these models look good in "HD". It's way too much definition for some girls"
jurov: can't you at least make the link bluish?
assbot: Bitcoin Transaction 7ecad9a3e67bebda52c0bdafb53863938b86e30e58eb179aec747903b50baa2d
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35995 @ 0.00083099 = 29.9115 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: VC Firm Makes Bid for FBIs Seized Silk Road Bitcoins
assbot: Log In - The New York Times
jurov: lol i read the link as "loses gpg primary"
chetty: first time in history that a 'party leader' lost in a primary, maybe there is hope for the ussa
assbot: Boeing Tumbles as Cantor Loss Clouds Ex-Im Banks Future - Bloomberg
chetty: well it prolly wont make a drop of difference, but it feels good for a split second
TomServo: It should be noted that the FBI has a lot of bitcoins to sell. In addition to drug-tainted Silk Road coins, the FBI has a much bigger stash: an estimate from Casey Research puts the figure between 5% and 10% of all bitcoins in circulation.
TomServo: ^ First I've heard of that, is this common knowledge?
mike_c: ;;calc 132000 / 12000000
mircea_popescu: TomServo its neither common knowledge nor actually ever documented
mircea_popescu: it is perhaps true, in that they've been mining like crazy
TomServo: mircea_popescu: Don't worry, I've got an alarm set to check in with you, in what - 49 years now? For your proof. :P
chetty: fbi informants demand to be paid in bitcoin!!!! (pass it on, makes a great rumor)
only: anyone know what is happening?
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only: mircea_popescu nope, sorry, am reading them right now
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 13 @ 0.0299996 = 0.39 BTC [+]
only: good biz for Eliptic, I guess
chetty: last time oil was getting this high we had a market crash ..............look out below
assbot: Clever piece of code exposes hidden changes to Supreme Court opinions — Tech News and Analysis
mircea_popescu: im going to make sure and raise this objection to the us supreme court's competence in any case before it, that it is unqualified to sit as a court because it scams with its published decisions.
assbot: Paddington - Official Trailer - The Weinstein Company - YouTube
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1127 @ 0.00082844 = 0.9337 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i dunno how someone could seriously propose they're a chief justice and not gpg sign
mircea_popescu: it's like some broad in new york cca 1700 pretending she's a fashion guru and not washing
BingoBoingo: Approving the Billy Hamilton bet was a mistake. There's no attractive reason to go in on yes, even as a longshot. He's fast whis is exciting, but fast doesn't win any "of the year" awards.
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.070706 = 0.1414 BTC [+]
princessnell: benkay specifically, of medium/long-term loan guarantees from G-7 export credit agencies
princessnell: there's a ton more subsidies that aren't counted
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07 = 0.14 BTC [-]
benkay: so this is why the peso isn't doomed.
princessnell: mircea_popescu this graph is meant to address a specific policy issue. but sure someone should be keeping tabs on that.
davout: pankkake: "it comes with a special status" <<< a mod in a local section of the forum isn't much more than a glorified janitor
davout: pankkake: granted i get access to some additionnal derpage in the form of access to the "staff" section
davout: (also donators, where goat made some splendid display of butthurt)
fluffypony: BingoBoingo: I saw a great baseball play a few days ago - huge hit into outfield, outfielder duffs the catch (bounces off his glove), has this brief moment of confusion before running after it and lobbing it all the way back to home base, and the batter is run out. Now I can't find it. Jog any memories?
mike_c: the new price chart is awesome. i <3 atc.blockr.io
fluffypony: los_pantalones: that throw was insane, I couldn't believe the distance it covered, and it looked like such a lazy lob
BingoBoingo: fluffypony: That happens at least once a week probably...
atcbot: 16k@260 35k@250 2k@240 | 49k@143 175k@142 34k@140
assbot: Cardinals turn triple play with bases loaded
los_pantalones: if the pitcher starts to go into his pitching motion towards the plate
BingoBoingo: All of the great completely subjective calls live in baseball
Apocalyptic: los_pantalones, note that he can properly pull out of the pitching motion
BingoBoingo: Delay of game is another one of those things called too infrequently. By the book the pitcher has 12 seconds to unload the ball
los_pantalones: i like yelling "Defensive 3 seconds" at bball games too
los_pantalones: i'm that horrible person that shouldn't be there in the 1st place
BingoBoingo: At least it isn't the traditional Philadelphia throwing of batteries.
BingoBoingo: The meta-game of trying to call Tommy Johns surgeries well in advance is also an interesting game.
assbot: Harrison Ford Injured on the 'Star Wars: Episode VII' Set - Hollywood Reporter
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0238 = 0.119 BTC [+]
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 715369.85 Est. Next Diff: 489020.64 in 1120 blocks (#36288) Est. % Change: -31.64
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 586.5, Best ask: 588.7, Bid-ask spread: 2.20000, Last trade: 586.5, 24 hour volume: 14120.94970484, 24 hour low: 586.0, 24 hour high: 635.0, 24 hour vwap: 614.907414164
mike_c: feds are scaring people
gribble: Current Blocks: 305478 | Current Difficulty: 1.1756551916903952E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 306431 | Next Difficulty In: 953 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 5 days, 16 hours, 8 minutes, and 34 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 12475321178.3 | Estimated Percent Change: 6.11378
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kakobrekla: bitcoinpete im always as loaded up as i can be.
bitcoinpete: fluffypony: when we can fund nasa for a year with a single btc, i say we ipo that thing
fluffypony: bitcoinpete: why not IPO the IPO right now?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19464 @ 0.0008283 = 16.122 BTC [-]
jurov: first, only and fluffy
kakobrekla: many hater here but our statistic say all:
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fluffypony: then you can use your SafeFluffs to trade on Fluffmade
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fluffypony: kakobrekla: sounds like a typical HYIP
kakobrekla: Apocalyptic , the best forum in the universe (fuck maddox yeah) many hater here but our statistic say all:
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davout tips some floge to kakobrekla fluffypony bitcoinpete and Apocalyptic
davout: let's invite flotcoin and have some fun
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32100 @ 0.00082576 = 26.5069 BTC [-] {2}
davout: <+fluffypony> Flogecoin of course <<< this
davout: floge -> "The hole left behind from a penis piercing" <<< don't forget to floss!
bitcoinpete: mircea_popescu: fluffypony you spend entirely too much time on usagi. << is that possible?
fluffypony: so after S.LIMBS I think mircea_popescu is going to have to do an F.LUFFY
bitcoinpete: f.luffy: the enterprise solution for the starship enterprise
dub: f.luffer a spinoff from klyemax
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29200 @ 0.00082988 = 24.2325 BTC [+] {2}
jurov: like, hentai with black characters?
fluffypony: F.LUFF - First Best Greatest Africanized Spacepronz
bitcoinpete: jurov: precisely. then sell it back to the chinese civilizers there
assbot: USMS Asset Forfeiture Sale
kakobrekla: -assets should make a bid, like 29500.
bitcoinpete: "On Monday, June 30, 2014, by 5:00 P.M. EST, the USMS will notify the winning bidder/bidders that their bid/bids has/have been selected."
fluffypony: kakobrekla: you need $200k as a deposit just to bid
jborkl: mike_c would you give me your opinion of the blue blocks on bcoinnews
mike_c: this does not include DPR coins, so.. they don't have control of them?
gribble: Bitstamp | A market order to sell 29501 bitcoins right now would net 9166242.2850 USD and would take the last price down to 1.4500 USD, resulting in an average price of 310.7095 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 26.0473 seconds
gribble: Bitstamp | This order would exceed the size of the order book. You would buy 18158.097 bitcoins, for a total of 19094927.9273 USD and take the price to 99999.9900. | Data vintage: 45.2129 seconds
davout: nice dip! x.eur to the moon!
assbot: Target breach: Cyberinsurance is a mess.
kakobrekla: mircea_popescu you mean the bankster ?
bitcoinpete: this sale will provide some of the best price signal in months
mike_c: "Transfer Fees. Any transfer fees associated with the transfer of the bitcoins will be paid by the buyer."
mircea_popescu: "The USMS will not transfer bitcoins to an obscene public address, a public address apparently in a country restricted by the Office of Foreign Assets Control (OFAC), a public address apparently associated with terrorism, other criminal activities, or otherwise hostile to the United States."
mike_c: hah! kako's bid doesn't count. i'm lowering my bid to 29499
fluffypony: so they won't transfer it to my 1fuck address?
kakobrekla: anyway at the rate btc is going this will be pocket money by friday
BingoBoingo: wait fluffypony you've never seen my vanity address?
mircea_popescu: "its very easy to fuck members serious, hard work -please dont talk shit without any evidence."
mike_c: i hope warren buys them all
mircea_popescu: scammer : here's a link to a list of registered businesses. we're the 5th
assbot: Man arrested for parodying mayor on Twitter files civil rights lawsuit | Ars Technica
mircea_popescu: "BurtW - be honest and say the true, nobody scammed you, you sent to a other address your bitcoins"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17100 @ 0.00082565 = 14.1186 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: Actual auction dealbreaker "All interested parties must first register with the USMS."
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo it's piss anyway. some us side fund will buy it, sell it to us, then lose the records. usms can suck it.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: And through all of this the Marshalls will be powerless to keep the coins from vulgar addresses that have yet to be imagined.
TheNewDeal: I hope the price drops like a rock until that auction then just skyrockets back up
pankkake: understandable, no one should take their users serisously
pankkake: well I bought at 480 EUR, hoping to quickly trade it. anothe fail
pankkake: as long as bitcointalk is a thing btc will stay <1000
pankkake: oh, so a VIP restricted thing. nothing about me in that one?
mircea_popescu: <TheNewDeal> I hope the price drops like a rock until that auction then just skyrockets back up << lol
pankkake: somehow I feel usagi knew something, and that's why he deleted his post about me "deleting" my posts
Apocalyptic: <pankkake> somehow I feel usagi knew something // I have trouble to believe that
davout: pankkake: the guy is vip?
davout: i really don't get the fetish -assets has for this usagi guy
pankkake: I'm not kidding, the majority of them ran scams
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 53 @ 0.0238 = 1.2614 BTC [-]
pankkake: davout: me neither, they just haven't kept up with the new breed of fail
pankkake: it's just that usagi is "still there"
mircea_popescu: <davout> i really don't get the fetish -assets has for this usagi guy << he's diligently stupid and has been for a long time.
davout: mircea_popescu: at least he's reliable
pankkake: but you know there's a guy with huge green trust that still has posts saying pirate isn't a ponzi
assbot: Sep 05 00:10:53 *copumpkin throws usagi an ito integral Sep 05 00:12:22 <mirce - Pastebin.com
pankkake: pretty much all VIPs defaulted at some point
assbot: USMS Asset Forfeiture Sale
assbot: Image tagged in lawgs - Imgflip
TheNewDeal: I'm gonna try and promote that one for the next week or so
chetty: lmao take an hour off and I{m way behind around here
pankkake: "Cash. The bid must be an all cash offer. Bids that are contingent on financing terms of any kind will not be considered." eh
jborkl: davout : Usagi came up with the zero risk asset class - class a is owned by class b - class b is owned by class c and class c owns a and b so there is no risk
TheNewDeal: oh my gosh. 200k is forfeited to the USMS if you don't secure a bid
fluffypony: didn't realise he's been an ass-hat for *that* long
Apocalyptic: mircea_popescu, so much pretense in that usagi log extract
davout: mircea_popescu: haha nice paste
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.02372075 = 0.2372 BTC [-]
davout: pankkake: didn't find much
fluffypony: my favourite thing about those logs is how dub hasn't changed
davout: pankkake: he did start a "Donator money" thread but that's about it
fluffypony: Apocalyptic: he told me that *I don't even know* the stuff he's working on, and by trolling *I've messed up and am going to miss out big* on his super-sekrit stuff
davout: wasn't he that guy that wanted to start some sort of pottery-related business?
pankkake: if he's writting a web wallet as he claims, he will have a hard tard convincing he's not inputs.io 2.0
pankkake: anyway, the web wallets fails make me sad. I think offchain transactions have their uses
fluffypony: when that comes up he says he's not writing a web wallet and "you don't even KNOW the stuff I'm writing that's so amazing it'll make the queen's testicles fall off"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.06992995 = 0.2797 BTC [-] {4}
dub: he IPO'd a pottery kiln
davout: fluffypony: was looking at usagi's last posts, laughed at the "sometimes a cigar is just a cigar" pic, then i looked at who posted it :D
mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic that's how 2012 was all around. that's how people like hearn and maxwell ended up with the notion they're useful or whatever.
fluffypony: davout: sometimes I'm inspired to troll :-P
mircea_popescu: <fluffypony> my favourite thing about those logs is how dub hasn't changed << yup he still delivers.
davout: hory shet, last trade at 411 EUR on BC
pankkake: why can't you manipulate the price davout :(
pankkake: or at least tell me in advance
davout: pankkake: go introduce yourself in the losers thread i guess
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 558.02, Best ask: 560.0, Bid-ask spread: 1.98000, Last trade: 555.55, 24 hour volume: 16603.12684761, 24 hour low: 555.55, 24 hour high: 630.36, 24 hour vwap: 602.737963932
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.249 = 1.743 BTC [-] {2}
mike_c: who wants to buy a spy house?
assbot: U.S. Marshals Selling Russian Spy House in New Jersey
mthreat: i'm not sure which is funner to look at, bitpremier or US Marshals
mircea_popescu: The house is listed for sale at $444,900 through Fast Track Real Estate Co. of Waldwick, N.J. Built in 1950, the 1,830 square-foot house has four bedrooms, one and a half bathrooms, a recently-updated kitchen, a garage and an unfinished basement.
mircea_popescu: ill be damned if i pay half a million paperthings for something with "one and a half" bathrooms
mike_c: no no, you just pay $10k and live a life of indentured servitude to the bank.
Azelphur: I'm just imagining a bathroom with a half-cylinder toilet and 50% of a shower
mike_c: is this not a thing outside US? half-bath means no shower.
mircea_popescu: mike_c 4 bedrooms, that's what, between 6 and 12 people ?
Azelphur: mike_c: never heard that in UK, also we generally have no bathrooms without a shower, usually it's the bath that gets dropped
mike_c: 4 bedrooms to me means: master bdrm (2 people), two kids room (2 people), and an office.
mike_c: well, four walled off rooms with doors.
mike_c: then living room/dining room/kitchen/laundry room, etc.
mike_c: plus a basement! it's a steal.
mike_c: montclair is ritzy. pricey town.
mircea_popescu: what's so ritzy about it ? seems a dorm town like any other
mircea_popescu: does it have some world class cabaret i never heard of or something ?
mike_c: it's got old money. enormous mansions.
mike_c: you get to mow their lawns for money.
mike_c: plus the schools are good (comparatively), etc.
mike_c: parents and russian spies
mircea_popescu: "come live in this shitty house that's overpriced instead of underpriced as it should be, because you pay less-than-class for out-of-class items, always. just so you can imagine your kids get better education"
mircea_popescu: if people used the noggin, a 10k house in a neighbourhood with 30k average houses would sell for 9 not for 11
mircea_popescu: it can be 11 when it's in the 3k average neighbourhood
mike_c: here 10k house in 30k neighborhood sells for 25
mike_c: and 10k house in 3k neighborhood sells for 5
davout: mike_c: "you get to mow their lawns for money." <<< or feincoin
dub: here 10k hours in 30k hood sells for 90k
mircea_popescu: <mike_c> and 10k house in 3k neighborhood sells for 5 < no it doesn't
mircea_popescu: all the best-in-class mansions are overpriced for being best-in-class
mircea_popescu: you think the guy with the "largest house in north hollywood" is taking a discount because it's so big ?
[]bot: Bet placed: 2.5 BTC for No on "Bitcoin price above $800 before July"
http://bitbet.us/bet/799/ Odds: 21(Y):79(N) by coin, 28(Y):72(N) by weight. Total bet: 6.06199681 BTC. Current weight: 17,391.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SHA] 5 @ 0.042 = 0.21 BTC
assbot: BitBet - FIFA World Cup 2014: goal in under 10 mins :: 0.09 B (68%) on Yes, 0.04 B (32%) on No | closing in 3 weeks 5 days | weight: 96`193 (100`000 to 1)
TheNewDeal: oh my price is just jumping around, so fun
pankkake: 0031 penguirker> .131 BTC @ 406.00 EUR ▼ 24H LOW
pankkake: 0045 penguirker> .120 BTC @ 445.00 EUR ▲
pankkake: 0046 penguirker> .200 BTC @ 415.00 EUR ▼
kakobrekla: bitcoin central is not scammy enough, no vol.
mike_c: nobody made that ISIL takes baghdad bet huh. looking interesting.
fluffypony: pankkake: you're supposed to follow that up with "b-c is bankrupt! forum mod is scammerz!"
jurov sold for 494 this time xD
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 575.5, Best ask: 575.61, Bid-ask spread: 0.11000, Last trade: 575.61, 24 hour volume: 21827.38410632, 24 hour low: 550.61, 24 hour high: 630.36, 24 hour vwap: 595.568343633
davout: pankkake: 15 EUR spread, looks legit
davout: the advantage is that everybody knows bc is definitely not faking volume :D
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5879 @ 0.00082574 = 4.8545 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 21 @ 0.02341 = 0.4916 BTC [+]
gribble: Current Blocks: 305489 | Current Difficulty: 1.1756551916903952E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 306431 | Next Difficulty In: 942 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 5 days, 13 hours, 46 minutes, and 30 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 12463166408.2 | Estimated Percent Change: 6.01039
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.0023302 = 0.233 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 63 @ 0.0231492 = 1.4584 BTC [-] {4}
TheNewDeal: using $615 predrop and $580 current price, the US Marshalls has lost approximately $1 Million USD since their announcement a few hours ago.
benkay: nobody ever accused a bureaucrat of understanding the implications of their actions except maybe mircea_popescu
benkay: ;;google regulator disproportionate
benkay: ;;google regulator disproportionate trilema
assbot: Its Time To Publicly Execute Ronald McDonald · Clickhole
mike_c: don't tweet that link, you'll get banned
pankkake: I was one of the few kids that never went to mcdonalds
pankkake: and since I wasn't brainwashed early, I can't make it past the smell
pankkake: I'm not sure it's smell. it's like greasy air
pankkake: you can sense humidity, and you can sense greasidity
mircea_popescu: pankkake> I'm not sure it's smell. it's like greasy air << it's the smell. boiled hooves.
pankkake: I used to walk past a mcdo every day. it was like 100 meters away, but it was down to the road I was on - it fucking stinked
pankkake: working there = worst than a nuclear plant
BingoBoingo: At least the nuclear plant acknowledges they handle hazardous substances.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 88687 @ 0.00081908 = 72.6417 BTC [-] {4}
kakobrekla: eh, bigmac is only mildly radioactive.
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 555.35, Best ask: 556.32, Bid-ask spread: 0.97000, Last trade: 555.0, 24 hour volume: 23591.28559995, 24 hour low: 550.0, 24 hour high: 630.36, 24 hour vwap: 593.12308676
assbot: My risk assessment of Bitstamp - Pastebin.com
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 13 @ 0.070706 = 0.9192 BTC [+]
assbot: Introducing the D. series pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
assbot: Discourse (discourse) auf Twitter
benkay: "hijacking in browser page search is a crime punisheable by FUUUUUUU"
TheNewDeal: found a good line in that "risk assessment"
TheNewDeal: I've not talked about Bitfinex since this isn't a sales pitch for them. I've not talked about how they offer leveraged margin trade as well as normal exchange. Nor have I talked about the p2p lending platform where people who don't want to trade can earn swap interest on USD or BTC balance. I've also not mentioned the 5 order types they have: limit
TheNewDeal: , market, stop, trailing stop, fill or kill; nor about the OCO orders or hidden orders. Bitfinex is truly way ahead of the curve.
mike_c: i was way off. even with my backup guess
davout: TheNewDeal: yeah, that was amazing
davout: fluffypony: fun fact, it's also run by a french dude
mike_c: my guess was that mpex picked up a new strategic investor.
mike_c: well, unannounced yet!
mircea_popescu: not happening, that sort of thing. they come and line up when i say
mircea_popescu: gotta maintain marketplace discipline, as well as all know our own place in this world.
mircea_popescu: fluffypony he's also not mentioning the part where bitfinex is a scam ran by the marginally retarded on stolen code.
mircea_popescu: "24/04/2014 Since so many people are asking privately about my opinion of BTC/USD price direction so I thought I would write something for everyone."
mircea_popescu: leaving aside the part where his "opinions" turn out to be wrong, "hits:533"
mircea_popescu: ya dude, totally so many people. it's like a downpour of people.
mircea_popescu: good thing he hosted it on pastebin with like the minimal features and all, i know of no server setups even dedicated that could have served 533 people since april.
mike_c: well, 1 btc ain't what it used to be anyway :)
assbot: Bitcoin Transaction e6a777345ccb5e65ca496a1ef123710f5f17f21d695563be47d1846635cf20d3
mike_c: hopefully that's the right address and not some haxor
mircea_popescu: you were nuts giving me even odds on a prop like that btw. i mean srsly, am i known for predictability or what,.
mircea_popescu: i think we're seriously the most charitable people in bitcoin :D
mircea_popescu: mike_c when you say backup guess, do you mean you had two human language strings hash to the same md5 ?
mike_c: no, just i had another thought about what it might be that wasn't in the hash (or the bet)
BingoBoingo: It's not unimaginable... For that md4 would have made more sense though
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40000 @ 0.00082574 = 33.0296 BTC [+]
mike_c: not secret, but haven't i been wrong enough today? :)
mike_c: now i'm thinking about how to combine x.eur and d.bpay..
mike_c: but i guess they are both short BTC
mike_c: i can't create either one
davout: not for dirty muricans
mike_c: after all the nice things i said about frenchies today.
davout: that was the first thought i had when reading the d.bpay example
davout: buying it would be at the same time betting on bitpay's success and against btc appreciation
mircea_popescu: davout the people who invested in bitpay took the same bet really.
mircea_popescu: leaving aside the fact that they very well can't buy even 10mn worth of btc.
davout: how did people bet against btc by investing in bitpay?
mike_c: ;;calc 30000 * [ticker --last]
davout: i'm either understanding this wrong, or parsing it wrong
davout: hopefully if i do both i benefit from double negative
mike_c: like you just said.. it's a bet on bitpay and against btc appreciation.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3321 @ 0.00082574 = 2.7423 BTC [+]
davout: you mean it's betting against btc because you pick a bitpay investment over a btc investment?
mircea_popescu: davout yes, because they're fuckwitted leeches and instead of helping grow btc they just try to leech it for fiat profit.
davout: i was understanding this a bit differently
mircea_popescu: davout i know. that's kinda how the mpex synthetics ruin the life of these people : they make understanding what's going on so much easier.
davout: the way i was understanding it was "investing in potato crops is betting against btc appreciation" or at least depreciation of btc relative to potato crops
mircea_popescu: mike_c also, this is a dilemma crafted for your shoesize. so, reits are bad right ? how about seits ? where s stands for ... shit i guess.
davout: right as in "you got it" or right as in "oh god, where do we start?"
mircea_popescu: davout right as in what you say is true but it doesn't have much to do with the previous
mike_c: i will be interested to see how low you have to sell it to get buyers
mircea_popescu: i'm not incentivised to sell it too low, i don't need the liquidity.
mircea_popescu: it's sufficient for my strategic needs for it to be under par.
davout: for all you know they might be keeping fees in btc, no?
davout: that'd imply a correlation between their value and the btc fiat rate
mircea_popescu: obviously they're not cash-positive if they need 30mn now on top of the 10mn before and the 2.8mn before that or w/e it was.
mike_c: if they were profitable enough they wouldn't have taken investment..
mircea_popescu: mike_c and notice that my lines are so very much longer too :D
mike_c: i was doing something else