assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 13 @ 0.04455639 = 0.5792 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19231 @ 0.00082318 = 15.8306 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12150 @ 0.00082204 = 9.9878 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19819 @ 0.00082356 = 16.3221 BTC [+] {2}
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 511511.43 Est. Next Diff: 382007.64 in 1850 blocks (#38304) Est. % Change: -25.32
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TheNewDeal: I'm getting really excited for this silk road auction. Can't wait to see how it goes down
benkay: makes perfect sense, mo
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15500 @ 0.0008255 = 12.7953 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 50 @ 0.0444018 = 2.2201 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 50 @ 0.0444 = 2.22 BTC [-]
Mats_cd03: why bring babies when you can bring a carton of dinosaur eggs
moiety: ya, i am so glad they cleared that one up
moiety: i was marooned on the sofa for some time due to a rather fast large spider travelling around my livingroom floor
bloctoc: has anyone discussed how they decided to purchase 200BTC worth of BPAY?
mike_c: huh? looks like ~25btc
TheNewDeal: I think it's slightly absurd because the whole F.Derp is just in its beginning stages
assbot: [MPEX:D.BPAY] 1D: 0.25 / 0.25 / 0.25 (100 shares, 25.00 BTC), 7D: 0.25 / 0.25 / 0.25 (100 shares, 25.00 BTC), 30D: 0.25 / 0.25 / 0.25 (100 shares, 25.00 BTC)
bloctoc: not saying it's absurd, it's a serious question.
bloctoc: the detail page has 900 shares, the overview has 100 shares if I'm reading it right, then something's amis
mike_c: those are the shares mp is offering for sale
mike_c: he offered 1000, 100 have been bought
bloctoc: 25 BTC I can see not feeling too bad if you guess wrong.
bloctoc: but feeling good if you guess right
bloctoc: of course, it's probably more sophisticated than that
benkay: one might consider...hedging.
TheNewDeal: well BPay shares can be sold at a later date, no?
bloctoc: I don't see how anyone would be able to hedge bpay today
bloctoc: they would have to be sold at a later date since there are no buy orders yet.
benkay: D.BPAY or the actual shares?
benkay: what, hold btc's not a good enough hedge?
benkay: D.BPAY is a hedge against the fartup cirkus producing something with market value in the next year or w/e
Mats_cd03: on the subject of bets, write a proper proposition and that can be your hedge.
benkay: buy F.DERP, buy D.*, ams hedged
TheNewDeal: F.Derp was made to short the basket of derps
bloctoc: proposition on bitbet you mean?
benkay: yeah, F takes you short, D takes you long
benkay: hedging against their bringing something to market is betting that they do
TheNewDeal: the strange thing is how the D pays out
benkay: please correct me, bloctoc
benkay: what's strange about it, TheNewDeal ?
bloctoc: I thought S.MPOE was F.DERP and I don't see F.DERP Am I Right?
TheNewDeal: in a theoretical scenario, a company pays for the worth of the startup
TheNewDeal: so the stock of the acquirer shouldn't really change
TheNewDeal: Example was. If Bitpay is worth 1Billion usd, FB forks over 1 Billion USD, FB valuation stays same
TheNewDeal: in reality, FB stock is volatile, could potentially have a large shift in the 30 day period
bloctoc: benkay where did you discover F.DERP?
assbot: BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021746 BTC (Total: 434.93 BTC). Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.00023849 BTC [+]
bloctoc: I see it - this whole hedging discussion makes sense now. thanks
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benkay: for a second i was hoping to learn something there :D
benkay: maybe mircea_popescu comes by later to school me
TheNewDeal: did my explanation make any sense about an acquisition type event?
bloctoc: you had me until "FB Stock is volatile". Meanwhile I understand the concept of hedging, I just didn't realize when I asked the question that there was such a thing as F.DERP
benkay: can't have puts without calls, etc
Mats_cd03: nothing to do with law, this is how it works
bloctoc: not legally where I live anyway..
benkay: no no, the market just falls over with one and not the other
benkay: naked shorts bad, covered shorts good
benkay: going long without commensurate short options is cuh-fukken-razy
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 25 @ 0.04285624 = 1.0714 BTC [-] {3}
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TheNewDeal: The site profits off total volume, not someone forking over a risky bet on one side
TheNewDeal: Also, why is it said that BitBet "fronts" .1 BTC on the bet? I thought they split .1 BTC, some portion going to the original bettor, and the other portion is a wager that will pay the site
Mats_cd03: the bet is seeded. look at the first two wagers for each bet
benkay: ;;later tell TheNewDeal you had it right the first time
Mats_cd03: o...join leaves r disabled on my client ffs
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 50 @ 0.04202638 = 2.1013 BTC [-] {6}
benkay: there's always tab-complete, Mats_cd03
Vexual: i think kako might anuerism
benkay: eh, that's his problem
benkay: i guess yours then as well
benkay: kakos problems are all of our problems
Vexual: it might make it harder to bet not chinese on the ladies tennis
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 77300 @ 0.0008239 = 63.6875 BTC [-] {2}
cazalla: tired, missus is out getting hair done so im stuck with baby
Vexual: did you see big clive palmer with al gore?
cazalla: nah, i don't follow it closely nor do i vote
Vexual: he flew gore in to stand next to him at a press conference and give the nod to repealing the carbon tax with a view to setting up interational emmissions trading
cazalla: on his own dime or taxpayers?
Vexual: well there are no details
cazalla: you would've loved dinner last night, crumbed rabbit, pan fried for 5 and then into oven for 30m
Vexual: he rolled up to parliment in his vintage silver shadow a few weeks back, van morrison blasting, hopped out and gave a speech to the waiting press about how politicians should pay for their own cars
Vexual: what did you have with it?
cazalla: and some thai dipping sauce from coles heh
cazalla: have a bunch of livers to make pate with on weekend too
Vexual: rabbit pate is a thing?
cazalla: supposedly, i've never had or made it before, i've been keeping livers frozen as it didn't seem worthwhile to make a small amount and i butcher them as needed so it's not like i have a lot of livers at once
cazalla: i can't imagine it taste too different from chicken pate etc
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 22 @ 0.04100001 = 0.902 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 16 @ 0.04100002 = 0.656 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 38 @ 0.041 = 1.558 BTC [-]
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 23 @ 0.04050001 = 0.9315 BTC [-]
Vexual: I'll have the Lapin Braisé
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 82100 @ 0.00082367 = 67.6233 BTC [-] {6}
benkay: so how much did the rabbit go for?
benkay imagines thepyruvatebay.se
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12700 @ 0.00082588 = 10.4887 BTC [+]
Vexual: its about $16kilo dressed
moiety: I've been thinking about salmon since you left
moiety: i'm gonna have to get some today
Vexual: skin on needs to be fryed hard on that side
Vexual: yeah but if it's not fried fast enough it's chewy
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mircea_popescu: this sushi place i go to has salmon skin rolls, i'm like... wtf, make me an orange and banana peels salad next
Vexual: i remove it just for knife skills
cazalla: i wish i could buy skin only
Vexual: the diff in price at the shop is more than the knife skills and the weight combined
moiety: they left the scales on haddock once in a restaurant i as at. i don't know if it was a mistake or that happens anywhere in the world but just.. no.
Vexual: cazalla, remember these people probabl;y get real atlantic salmon too
mircea_popescu: "it's like airbnb of messaging and uber of boarding houses rolled into a joint and whazzup dude ?"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12500 @ 0.00082588 = 10.3235 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: moiety: i was marooned on the sofa for some time due to a rather fast large spider travelling around my livingroom floor <<< ahahaha so cute
cazalla: Vexual: how about aussie salmon :P ugh
mircea_popescu: bloctoc: they would have to be sold at a later date since there are no buy orders yet. << actually that 25 was a buy order iirc
Vexual: i love me some aussie salmon
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal: Example was. If Bitpay is worth 1Billion usd, FB forks over 1 Billion USD, FB valuation stays same << this is an example out of the "spherical chicken in vacuum" variety.
cazalla: Vexual: i always throw them back
Vexual: what are you trying to catch?
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal: The site profits off total volume, not someone forking over a risky bet on one side << nobody prevents you from covering the short end after bet is approved.
mircea_popescu: if you figure your odds are 2:5 put 2 btc on the short odds then put .8 on the long odds and there you go.
moiety: scottish salmon is lovely cazalla
Vexual: mircea_popesu:saw your blog salmon, looked nice and fat; was it local?
dub: I dont think aussie salmon has anything to do with salmon
cazalla: Vexual: tailor, whiting, bream, kingies
cazalla: get some leather jacket too
cazalla: aussie salmon is a great game fish but shitty eating
dub: cazalla: if aussie salmon is what I think it is then you are probably fucking it up
cazalla: Vexual: depends on time of year and where I am, I don't do much fishing down here in Melbourne, more so when I go up Sydney with my brother/father
Vexual: its called kahawai in nz
dub: you need to bleed it
cazalla: dub: maybe I am but I've tried numerous times and it always taste awful
Vexual: did you ever smoke it?
Vexual: well its an oily fish, so it smokes well
cazalla: i mean, you can get it at the fish market for 2.99 a kg that's how bad it is
moiety: smoked salmon is gorgeous
dub: its not oily if you bleed it
Vexual: where are you from dub?
mircea_popescu: <dub> its not oily if you bleed it << he's found the cure for colesterol.
Vexual: in australia we call what you know as salmon ocean trout
Vexual: and it'll slap you in the face its so good
Vexual: but then theres aussie salmon, which isnt salmon
Vexual: but thats what we call it
benkay: Vexual what's wrong with you
benkay: when did you start making sense
benkay: who's taken over Vexual's computer?
benkay: o wait i read that in the log!
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dub: just about got my cholesterol bled out on the way home
dub: pulled out from outside bar, dodge slow traffic lane, wot in clear lane, oncoming bbw buts across gab in slow lane into mine
dub: ABS engaged, no seatbelt yet, jimmies retracting
BingoBoingo: What, was the sidewalk to narrow for this bbw?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 22 @ 0.04498489 = 0.9897 BTC [-] {2}
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 511511.43 Est. Next Diff: 402819.45 in 1812 blocks (#38304) Est. % Change: -21.25
Vexual: can't evenm tut at the devs
davout: "in australia we call what you know as salmon ocean trout" <<< i saw already opened oysters being sold there Oo
Vexual: sydney oysters are really good, its a thing
Vexual: and yes, they are provided open, because you are not an otter
BingoBoingo: What, I'm hairy and spend a lot of time in the water
Vexual: yes you can probly open an oyster, but in polite company..
Vexual: ok leave his unshucked
moiety: so are btc-e scam now? or have i just been unlucky?
moiety: i withdrew via wire transfer. its £91 short
punkman: moiety, one of these days btc-e will disappear, don't be a bagholder
moiety: wasnt planning on using it again, just a one off thing for quickness...stupidly
moiety: 1018/ 1003 after fees. 911 received
punkman: maybe there's an extra moiety fee
moiety: i cant find anything else like this on them at all
Vexual: bank wire are expensive, i dont know about btce
moiety: i'll hunt them down with manuls if thats the case
moiety: btce says 1.5% fee which was accounted for though Vexual
davout: Vexual: "and yes, they are provided open, because you are not an otter" <<< men open their oysters
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20500 @ 0.00082555 = 16.9238 BTC [-]
moiety: o apparently they just add another £100 fee on
BingoBoingo: moiety: Does Scotland have capital controls?
moiety: not that i know of but apparently its a worry in independence
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 511511.43 Est. Next Diff: 405267.07 in 1803 blocks (#38304) Est. % Change: -20.77
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 98 @ 0.19660978 = 19.2678 BTC [+] {9}
assbot: Vallance +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6800 @ 0.00082297 = 5.5962 BTC [-]
gribble: Nick 'Vallance', with hostmask 'Vallance!~Admin@209.222.5.229', is identified as user 'Vallance', with GPG key id 6F25D26878495E5B, key fingerprint 13E5460851BAFFA53AC574336F25D26878495E5B, and bitcoin address None
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21000 @ 0.00082267 = 17.2761 BTC [-]
Vallance: Well, just trying to become more pro-active about using the WoT and I follow MPOE quite a bit and enjoy the opinions this channel shares.
Vallance: It's becoming increasingly more difficult to find a place to have an intelligent conversation about Bitcoin in public on the internet.
BingoBoingo: Vallance: What other sort of stuff do you do in the republic of Bitcoin?
Vallance: Myself and a couple others run a small Bitcoin exchange known as BitSpot. It's not an exchange as in the sense of BitStamp or BTC-E, it's more in the sense of CoinMama or the former BitInstant
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Vallance: We were hoping to target our suburban town and cause a good stir but our physical business traffic isn't near what we hoped.
Duffer1: i've never heard of coinmama
Vallance: They've been around for a little bit, the main thing about them is that they accept credit cards and debit cards.
Vallance: I have no idea how it's working out for them though.
BingoBoingo: Ah, Ashland is in the inconvenient part of Kentucky
Vallance: Yeah, it's almost like trends and technology are a couple years behind for most people here.
Vallance: Although I do believe there are large sums of people who could benefit from Bitcoin in the area
BingoBoingo: Kind of hoping Ashland was closer to Paduca which would be a reasonable drive
Vallance: Yeah, the farthest someone has came to us has been from Cincinatti
Vallance: It's something we're working on, yes.
Vallance: It's just the problem with juggling the legalities and how things would "technically" work.
Duffer1: what happens when paypal enters the room and says "thanks for warming my seat."
bloctoc: I heard today from reliable sources that gas stations don't want a phone that close to their pumps. needs to be bluetooth.
Vallance: Well, the vision I have in mind is to form somewhat of a decentralized liquidity network that anyone could become a part of either through a stake in the liquidity or operating an ATM.
BingoBoingo: Vallance: A physical location in the US and an investment solicitation... seems dangerous...
Vallance: Yeah, that's why we have the brakes on.
Vallance: Thinking of re-structuring our business affairs
Duffer1: i hear argentina is nice :P
Vallance: The truth is we started out just as anyone would with Bitcoin trading I suppose
punkman: most people start with the CSS
Vallance: Next thing you know it snowballs into a real business
bloctoc: Do you have an indication that ATMs are providing liquidity?
bloctoc: I haven't seen anyone boasting about how much money their ATM is making.
Vallance: I believe the ATMs will build good infrastructure for Bitcoin and associate it with new people
Vallance: Also the ATMs would help lower the costs of transaction fees that people are facing by using Western Union & MoneyGram
punkman: so where are you at now, roughly how much BTC volume per month?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 48 @ 0.04749499 = 2.2798 BTC [+]
Vallance: A decent day is around $10,000 worth of volume a day. I know it's not huge, but we don't want to promote more than we can handle.
BingoBoingo: Vallance: Honestly I'd kill the Invest page now
bloctoc: $10,000 through an ATM? or is that on the internet?
BingoBoingo: And start flensing the javascript on the site.
bloctoc: yeah that's a nice thing you got going
Vallance: You're right, I will turn it off right now, just totally forgot in all honesty. We're understaffed.
punkman: you don't want to use Counterparty either
pankkake: ;;ticker --market bitcoin-central --vol
Vallance: I've had a lot of chats with the founders of Counterparty and Counterwallet, I feel pretty good about their platform.
Vallance: I'm honestly surprised about how it's not more popular?
Vallance: Besides Counterparty I only have experience with Mastercoin, which I'm not a big fan of
bloctoc: Vallance are you providing KYC/AML as part of your network? I'm asking because I have a Lamassu
pankkake: well mastercoin is made by people who don't know what they are doing, counterparty is in a slighly better position
Vallance: The people who run our ATMs (or could even be theirs) would just need to handle cashing out the machine and maintenance
BingoBoingo: So... What's the procedure if I just drive in with a shoebox full of cash?
Vallance: At an ATM or within our office?
Vallance: We haven't had anyone drive in with a shoebox yet
Vallance: You would be surprised at the old, nearly looking homeless people who have sold us a handful of Bitcoin though
Vallance: Didn't even know how to transfer it
Vallance: Scan your ID and sign a piece of paper
BingoBoingo: Person comes in with a shoebox of cash, and a printout of an address to pay to with a GPG signature.
punkman: Vallance, register with gribble, you can probably pick up some good volume marketmaking on OTC
Vallance: That's what I did, I've been really wanting to become more active here.
Vallance: I've lurked the irc logs and the trilema blog quite a bit.
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Vallance: We're really trying to re-work our current system and way of handling things first and foremost. We started with the p2p trading and the problem is we're still operating in that fashion. People enjoy the broker-client relationship but it just doesn't scale that well.
BingoBoingo: Vallance: P2P trading is probably where the better margins are.
BingoBoingo: If you go exclusively mass market Paypal eats your lunch and people who hate paypal settle for BitStamp's two cans, a string, and a rectal probe
Vallance: I know, it's really insane at how hard it is to move money around the USA.
BingoBoingo: If you were to offer a network of atms across a region, maintain an office for inperson service, and have some limited interaction with the web you could carve a nice niche.
Vallance: If it was up to me then I would've moved to Panama, but my wife wasn't having it.
Vallance: I'm honestly open to anywhere else but here
BingoBoingo: Also, since money transmitting across the whole US is a pain, just license in kentucky, a few neighboring states, and the rest of the US can be serviced by other people.
BingoBoingo: At a minimum probably grab licenses for Illinois, Ohio, and Tennessee
Vallance: As far as geographical area, I don't see any real competition in any of those areas, including Kentucky.
Vallance: or anyone showing interest yet
BingoBoingo: Well, the midwest and mid south are underserved.
Vallance: We've had quite a few people travel about 100 miles to exchange
Vallance: What blows my mind is the type of people we've encountered that is involved in Bitcoin
BingoBoingo: I'd consider the 6-8 hour drive if I had fiat to dispose of.
Vallance: Also most of our online business is composed of small transactions ranging from $100-$300
Vallance: That is where we make our margins, it isn't that much to them.
Vallance: At the end of the day though it adds up for us
Vallance: In the works of trying to negotiate a deal with Western Union that would allow people to send us payments through their service as a "Bill Payment" so they would only have to pay $5
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pankkake: so they moved up from dogs. great.
Vallance: Even if the child survives what about the loud deafening bang and flash that happened right over top of him
Vallance: I'm sure that will have a permanent effect
punkman: BingoBoingo: and you want to drive around with shoeboxes full of cash
punkman: you aren't even gonna make it to the gasenwagen
punkman: Vallance, you can !up yourself now
BingoBoingo: punkman: You can still fit a lot of pennies in a shoebox
punkman: BingoBoingo: I suppose they won't care so much about dogecoins
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11200 @ 0.00082267 = 9.2139 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: punkman: Vending machines are still a think. Probably the best way for a vending machine operator to get bitcoin from vending machines is... Exchanging the cash directly.
Vallance: I had someone contact me a couple months ago about KYC/AML Identification services. They may have been a new company, can't clearly remember. They are supposed to streamline and handle all your compliance requirements for you when interacting with customers on exchanging funds.
Naphex: Vallance: i'm not sure how many people will handover 3rd party data
Naphex: or how many exchanges/bussiness will want a 3rd party holding highly private data
Vallance: It's honestly one of the things that I'm most torn about. In all reality I want to know as least as possible.
Vallance: I just want to know if the money you're sending is good, that's all I would like to know but then the government and state have to get involved.
Naphex: one of the problems with 3rd party validation, is who would get goverment wrath. I doubt they'd be going after the validation service instead of the exchange
Naphex: everyone just attacks the person who moves the money, so might as well just do your own AML/KYC
Vallance: The only real problem as far as moving money has went has been with Chase Bank, they're horrible.
Vallance: Credit Unions are the ideal people to bank with but unfortunately my preferred one around here isn't a part of the CU Swirl Network
Vallance: Hey, does anyone know what is going on with UpDown.bt ?
Naphex: Vallance: never heard of it before, is that binary options?
Vallance: I seen a few accusations fly around at Bitcointalk.org, I've been following their business seeing how it goes since they came out
Vallance: Yeah but they don't publish their feeds and now it doesn't even seem like they are paying out immediately (that's something I don't understand with automated services and Bitcoin)
Vallance: The biggest thing of it all is that they are a Gold Member at the BitcoinFoundation
Naphex: well flashing a Bitcoin Foundation Gold Member
Naphex: is in no way a sign of trust :)
Vallance: They were shilling for them in a couple press releases on TBF
pankkake: so they still vouch for services - they have learned nothing
Vallance: but what gets me is that they don't even show where they are getting their data from, or will they disclose it
Vallance: They were very open about that.
punkman: Vallance: does uptdown.bt start the timer when they see your tx at zero conf?
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Naphex: punkman: probably, i'd suck to do 60seconds binary options with 3 confirmations :)
Vallance: I've only tested it like twice with small amounts, I don't remember.
pankkake: they're in my non-bitcoin web of trust
BingoBoingo: Vallance: Are you or your business in the foundation?
punkman: pankkake: do they start the timer at zero conf?
pankkake: I don't know, I never used it myself
punkman: can't believe no one cares to put this in their FAQ
Vallance: The TBF hasn't even done anything positive for Bitcoin, all they have done is promote companies that end up ripping people off.
Vallance: They also made themselves a target to be slaughtered by the media because of their scandals
pankkake: " We use the time of the transaction from
http://blockchain.info/ to determine the exact second where the option was created, and then we use the list of mtgox transactions that is available via the
http://Bitcoincharts.com/ mtgox historic API to determine both the opening price and the closing price of the option. "
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pankkake: " In case of lag from blockchain.info timestamp, we will use the timestamp from our own client. We will always check for the earliest possible timestamp we can get to ensure you have the smoothest experience possible. "
punkman: pankkake: cool, just gave it a try
Vallance: Okay so planefinder.net is telling me there are 4786 planes in the air and UpDown.bt is telling me 6318
Vallance: Flightradar24.com is saying around 6,300
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punkman: good, Marissa's bet needs some drama
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Vallance: Shares move down 9 percent after she overslept, lol.
Vallance: Why wouldn't you just come up with a bullshit story, i'd imagine it's hard enough being a female CEO of a tech company.
pankkake: perhaps it is the bullshit story
Duffer1: 9% because someone was late?
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pankkake: not that I've done serious IQ tests
davout: pankkake: i think mensa requires 150 or sthg
cazalla: oh wow, pokerstars was sold for 4.9b
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12618 @ 0.00082182 = 10.3697 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25882 @ 0.00082272 = 21.2936 BTC [+] {2}
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 566.96, Best ask: 569.0, Bid-ask spread: 2.04000, Last trade: 569.0, 24 hour volume: 8263.87757571, 24 hour low: 554.45, 24 hour high: 572.87, 24 hour vwap: 563.04930274
atcbot: [X-BT] Bid: 199 Ask: 278 Last Price: 279 24h-Vol: 70k High: 279 Low: 222 VWAP: 258
assbot: BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021746 BTC (Total: 434.93 BTC). Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.00023849 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43592 @ 0.0008251 = 35.9678 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22673 @ 0.00082369 = 18.6755 BTC [-] {3}
punkman: but they are all profitable in lols
pankkake: no, ThickAsThieves. Namworld issued on BTC-TC
pankkake: the two loans I know of, on BitFunder, defaulted
mircea_popescu: lol the butthurt of the world financial system @ argentina is palpable. order a payment to argentine anything ? "risk flagged transaction". why ? o, well... because we dun want argentina to has moneyz. won't you reconsider ?
mircea_popescu: chetty boehnerheaded will be a thing. longer than boneheaded, but it's worth it.
pankkake: right; so my question here was more rhetorical: what next, since they won't be able to borrow anytime soon?
pankkake: of course, I remember the early "greece should default" voices and they were right
mircea_popescu: they will, and they are. just, not from the western block.
BingoBoingo: Well, Argentina buys some F.MPIF and backs their currency with that
pankkake: oh, that's why canada closed just-dice in retaliation
assbot: Introducere BTCXchange.ro - YouTube
mircea_popescu: anyway, what's next. real estate shock and possibly another currency
Naphex: mircea_popescu: haha, i ment the content. just uploaded it
mircea_popescu: Naphex a ok. so what's this for ? tv doesn't take 143 second clips now does it ?
Naphex: mircea_popescu: nah, TV will have something different
Naphex: also need some better voiceover for tv
mircea_popescu: yeah the woman sounds like she's had a lot of fun in her youth.
Naphex: as well multi-currency is in testing, its gonna go live sometime next week.
Naphex: straight with EUR and USD support
assbot: The scary thing, I more inclined to believe this than the louder mining manufacterers are getting their acts together
http://t.co/rjLcP6YjPO assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27404 @ 0.00082225 = 22.5329 BTC [-] {2}
pankkake: indeed apparently, the less a manufacturer advertises the more it delivers
ThickAsThieves: <+moiety> i withdrew via wire transfer. its £91 short /// I've heard some places are taking taxes out automatically without saying so, is the 91 equivalent to some income tax rate or such?
ThickAsThieves: <+bloctoc> I haven't seen anyone boasting about how much money their ATM is making. /// I've seen some data from Robocoin users that do quite well - paid off their machines in 1-3mos
mircea_popescu: <pankkake> indeed apparently, the less a manufacturer advertises the more it delivers <<< not just in mining.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.0477 = 0.954 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: <+punkman> good, Marissa's bet needs some drama /// lol this is how news looks when you piss of an advertiser
ThickAsThieves: <+mircea_popescu> to me it looks like a bloody spamsite. /// or at least made by amateurs
assbot: Website-uri ce n-au nici o vina. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 49 @ 0.0477 = 2.3373 BTC [+]
pankkake: tried to translate a comment. "deci iti faci toti trollarii numai din ciocolata? :)" => "So you do all trollarii only chocolate? :)"
pankkake: alternative is "So you do all trollarii only Business cards? :)"
ThickAsThieves: this Mayer article just brings to light how consistently useless CNET is
Naphex: pankkake: romanian has a way of carrying meaning into sentences that will prolly never translate :)
ThickAsThieves: sucks that she;s the first CEO that was ever late to a function
BingoBoingo: Has CNET ever been useful for anything other than discovering which flip phone can maintain contact with a tower?
Naphex: pankkake: "So you build all your trolls only of chocolate?" :)
pankkake: oh. so trollarii really means troll (that's why I tried to translate) :)
pankkake: I wonder if community manager is ever a real job. I've only seen interns do it
mircea_popescu: troll in english taken as is by romanian (because romanian considers all languages merely badly spoken, more retarded cases of using romanian) and then flexion applied
punkman: it's trollari in greek too
mircea_popescu: but yeah, you can have a whole language out of applying romanian grammar to english lexemes
mircea_popescu: dar da, poti haza o whoala limba din aplicarea grammarei romane pe lexeme englezesti.
mircea_popescu: <pankkake> I wonder if community manager is ever a real job. I've only seen interns do it << it's generally what you hire slaves under training collars to do as their first thing.
pankkake: intern, slave, what's the difference? :)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30900 @ 0.00082018 = 25.3436 BTC [-] {3}
pankkake: great, France just approved a law where books are more expensive if bought online
pankkake: because how dare you buy your books outside of crappy stores with no choice
mircea_popescu: i find it very amusing that france, one of the most socialist places in the history of the world,
pankkake: not that it will change in any way how I shop. more money for amazon in the end… lol
mircea_popescu: is actually also one of the most rabidly conservative.
pankkake: that's what I tell my fellow Frenchmen. the right is fairly popular, but also fairly socialist
pankkake: and the French are clearly afraid of everything
mircea_popescu: it's almost as if they regret 1984 isn't a thing. either as depicted in fiction or as enacted by the soviets, they want the dull gray concrete damn it
pankkake: protect us from Anglo-Saxon culture, homosexuals and the free market, etc.
pankkake: and immigrants, how could I forget
ThickAsThieves: "PAMM technology allows a trader to open a "Slave" Account and follow a trading strategy of another professional and experienced bitcoin trader (Master)." "Using PAMM Account rating, charts and feedback from other traders you can easily tackle the tough task of selecting a successful and professional Master to follow." ~BTC-e
pankkake: (despite the majority of immigrants being white people from the EU)
pankkake: ThickAsThieves: OMG really? I love it
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves "how to select a losing strategy out of an array of moves made by people who opveral made money"
pankkake: but they used Slave and Master
pankkake: maybe they code in Django and are upset
Azelphur: oh god not the slave and master thing again
mircea_popescu: "at this company we have a strict insulting variablespace policy. all functions are to be named in reference of parts of female anatomy. all variables are to be named in reference of parts of male anatomy."
ThickAsThieves: So the manipulators on BTC-e dont even need to schedule pumps anymore
pankkake: it's how most developers I know write test code
Azelphur: the annoying part is that master and slave have been around since the dawn of time, it's a technical term and you can't just go write random bullshit, this is what people don't seem to get
mircea_popescu: Azelphur i beg your pardon ? they have changed the world!
Azelphur: If you say "set the jumpers on that drive to replica" nobody has a fuckin clue what you are on about
Azelphur: mircea_popescu: haha, indeed *facedesk*
pankkake: especially since it would be wrong to say replica then!
mircea_popescu: pankkake maybe we should start doing this preemptively.
mircea_popescu: start calling stupid bitches "replicas". like you know, knockoff watches.
pankkake: you already called developers fungible :(
mircea_popescu: works incredibly well you know ? schmuck comes in here to mouth off xmj style crap, "replica, please!"
chetty: hmm so what do we call stupid bastards ...there are more of them ya know
mircea_popescu: need something that doesn't end in a thus tickling my expectation it's a feminine romanian noun.
assbot: who the fuck sent 10.8 BTC to the "correct horse battery staple" brainwallet? : Bitcoin
BingoBoingo: chetty: You call the stupid dudes basic bitches
xmj: i love mircea_popescu
xmj: he's really pleasant.
ThickAsThieves: Convicted Heavy Metal ‘Christian’ Singer Admits Being Atheist, Duped Fans to Sell Music
assbot: BitBeat: Why Bitcoin’s Scoring in Argentina - MoneyBeat - WSJ
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 18 @ 0.045 = 0.81 BTC [-]
Duffer1: someone duped a zealot in order to sell something
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 575 @ 0.0408204 = 23.4717 BTC [-] {16}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 135 @ 0.0401001 = 5.4135 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: Hospitals Soon See Donuts-to-Cigarette Charges for Health - Bloomberg
chetty: not unexpected, but its still creepy
assbot: The problem of enforcement pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37100 @ 0.00081968 = 30.4101 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: o look, pantera and silbert are actually making sane investments.
ThickAsThieves: i wonder if i'm the guy who had the same trilema credits hash or whatever as someone else
ThickAsThieves: my cookie didnt work for a few days, then it did, but now i only have 4 credits left, or maybe thats' just the guest credits
mircea_popescu: the collision was, some guy made an order, trilema came back "pay x". he didn't. months later, other guy made order, trilema said "pay x" same x.
ThickAsThieves: So to distill your post, are you saying that we give up freedom for i-cant-believe-its-not-freedom because it's easy/comfortable/safe and now you want some real-butter IRC because you tasted real-butter bitcoin? Or are you just pointing out that people typically think they are more free than they really are (or, at least, willing to acknowlege).
mircea_popescu: im pointing out that now it just became cheaper to have actual freedom
mircea_popescu: and so irrespective of anyone's wish, that's what we'll do.
moiety: ThickAsThieves: I've heard some places are taking taxes out automatically without saying so, is the 91 equivalent to some income tax rate or such? << totally can't pinpoint exactly. in one breath they say it's their fee, in the next it's the banks but i've never had fees from my bank for incoming before. lesson learned.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves to round out this point, do you know how justice worked in classical greece ?
mircea_popescu: well basically, anyone having a problem with someone could sue before the city. the arguments reduced to "the other party sucks". if the suit was successful the other party was banished (killed, originally, but then they softened).
ThickAsThieves: like maybe it's just incantbelieveitsnotfreedom, just in a bigger box
mircea_popescu: now contrast this with the very invasive modern style, as epitomised by the us system : you're allowed out of prison as long as you promise to not x y z
chetty: the counter party risk is something we really need
mircea_popescu: there's this constant negotiation and apportioning of things.
mircea_popescu: the greeks didn't have it. it was an all or nothing affair.
mircea_popescu: either you sue this guy under the title that he's basiclaly human waste,
mircea_popescu: whereas in english law you had a billion different causes for action. you can sue saying "this is a nice guy that has my cow"
ThickAsThieves: surely some bribed and pulled strings and framed people
mircea_popescu: famously plato tried to bribe the jury with 30 minae in socrates' case
mircea_popescu: anyway. it's my understanding that it's that apportioning that's the cause of evil.
mircea_popescu: just like an artisan is exactly NOT the guy who has a three ring binder telling him how to move and what shovel to use when, as per company policy
mircea_popescu: a free man is exactly NOT the guy who has to make a deal as to anything with anyone. none of this "to fly on the plane you must turn off your portable perfume dispenser" bs.
ThickAsThieves: while i dont disagree, it does kinda feeling we're just bitching that liars and scammers exist
ThickAsThieves: well you are arguing for transparency, truth, efficiency, "realness"
chetty: The court said Thursday that President Barack Obama exceeded his authority when he invoked the Constitution's provision on recess appointments to fill slots on the National Labor Relations Board in 2012.
chetty: ThickAsThieves, truth is cheaper
chetty: ThickAsThieves, well it grows on you :)
mircea_popescu: where's that hobbes quote about how everyone's life is basically the result of surrender to the state, which may at its option dispose of it ? thus everyone's a slave ?
mircea_popescu: fundamentally, it used to be cheaper to surrender, now it's cheaper to not. fundamental change of paradigm
Vexual: i ordered braised rabbit
ThickAsThieves: maybe it took the bullshit of our current state for someone to inspire to create Bitcoin, in turn, maybe you are the next Hitler
mircea_popescu: the problem with being hitler is that you can actually reach this point where you've read too much to be one.
chetty: the cycles will go around, probably wont be MP but hitler will come again, someday
ThickAsThieves: maybe your vision for the world has horrible implications
ThickAsThieves: and someone needs to come along and fix it after youve gotten your way
pankkake: I see plenty of potential Hitlers
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14350 @ 0.00081941 = 11.7585 BTC [-] {2}
ThickAsThieves: has the topic of this NK comedy movie been brought up here?
assbot: North Korea threatens war on USA over 'gangster filmmaker' Seth Rogen and James Francos Kim Jong-un assassination movie - People - News - The Independent
ThickAsThieves: Government warns of 'merciless' retaliation if US doesn't ban the actors' comedy
mircea_popescu: hm, i dun has a vision. what am i, some sort of reformer ?
chetty: long live the breakage
thestringpuller: ;;later tell nubbins` You got a hook up on printing cardboard cutouts?
mircea_popescu: pankkake: wait you can buy F.DERP too? << yeah, next month
mike_c: bitcoin side almost done. expect to ship it tmw.
ThickAsThieves: "War of Life will offer one block of 500`000 (five hundred thousand) shares for a nominal value of 0.00003 BTC each, for a total equity value of 15 BTC starting on June 25th, 2014."
mircea_popescu: well it's not done it before the 25th, so there we go :D
mircea_popescu: i must be a native asshole the way i phrase these things, i had fully intended it be done yest, but look that it actually supports eventual reality.
moiety: D; was my passport money! another day, another lesson though right :]
mircea_popescu: anyway, the story is, was gonna do it yest but wanted to have bitcoin active so waiting a little for mike.
mircea_popescu: i see no real downside in holding it back a day or w/e
mircea_popescu: other than not doing what i had intended / you thought i said! what i actually said however, is starting on.
assbot: Anonibet Talks Bitcoin Foundation Membership, World Cup Contest
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves it's like, "tvs from 59.99". doesn't mean any tv in the shop is 60 bux
gribble: ┌━ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ *pew!* *pew!* *pew!*
ThickAsThieves: the difference with not firing the ipo when you said you would is i gotta spend more time watching the orderbook to get in, which i suppose could be your plan, letting bids swell
chetty: omg, MP got a date wrong, hang him
mircea_popescu: ok, sorry everyone! the order shall fire at, lemme see here
gribble: ┌━ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ *pew!* *pew!* *pew!*
chetty: non-bitcoin scams: Bloomberg reports that China’s chief auditor discovered 94.4 billion yuan ($15.2 billion) of loans backed by falsified gold transactions
gribble: 1 XAU = 1315.500000000000 USD = 2.31598035246 BTC
Duffer1: isn't there a bitbet it'll close at under 1k by the end of the year?
ThickAsThieves: i was trying to chart BRK.B today because of the new bitbet, it's well-priced
Duffer1: you probably wouldn't win very much :P
mircea_popescu: artifexd can []bot take a search and return the result from bitbet ?
ThickAsThieves: BRK.B shareprice just hit the top of a longterm channel, but it's a steep one so it could get to $135 still
Duffer1: what do you think of tesla closing at 250+ ?
ThickAsThieves: a new batch of people discovered he has a solar co too, so that exploded upward too
Duffer1: i like the nature of elons projects
ThickAsThieves: but similar in that he's doing what makes sense to him and fuck otherwise
Duffer1: by the time i'm even aware of an offer the speculators have driven price beyond all reason
pankkake: I got banned from /r/litecoin, and before that had posts stealth-deleted. they're bagholding so hard!
Duffer1: 800k market cap my bleeding arsehole
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15700 @ 0.00082107 = 12.8908 BTC [+]
pankkake: it's the power of asshole pumping
Duffer1: there's only 18.4 btc buys on mcxnow
ThickAsThieves: my guess is you can squeeze out about 10% of an altcoins market cap if you sell no faster than 10% of the time it's existed
[]bot: Bet placed: 3 BTC for No on "Gold <= 1000 USD in 2014"
http://bitbet.us/bet/785/ Odds: 15(Y):85(N) by coin, 19(Y):81(N) by weight. Total bet: 4.77957601 BTC. Current weight: 60,446.
Duffer1: i'm not a gambler, but that one doesn't seem like a risk at all
pankkake: didn't gold go from 2000 to 1something some year ago?
pankkake: I unfortunately bought gold just before
assbot: Government Sale of Bitcoin Establishes Fungibility Precedent
assbot: The Bitcoin Economy's 'Backbone' Is Bitstamp, An Exchange Run By Two Young Slovenians - Forbes
pankkake: wait their lanyards say "fucking amazing"
kakobrekla: >“We’re the backbone of the entire Bitcoin industry,” says Kodrič, 25, who’s wearing a black t-shirt with “Zero Excuses” in fluorescent green capital letters.
moiety: he won't even allow his reflection to be snapped :P
moiety: thanks. i hope it's enough. i was trying to be as connected as possible over the move.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.79952895 BTC to 9`635 shares, 18677 satoshi per share
kakobrekla: thats prolly more phonecalls than i had in a year
moiety: lol me too normally XD
assbot: DSON - Doge Serialized Object Notation
moiety is becoming allergic to anything doge - can't click
moiety: bahahaha omg just took a drink, coffee everywhere
benkay: <mircea_popescu> it just doesn't pay. // how is this not a default? am i missing the sarcasm?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.19494037 = 1.9494 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 25 @ 0.04397947 = 1.0995 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: DogeCoin and Dystopia | Bingo Blog
pankkake: thestringpuller: with the url, I was thinking "this may be a json like doge but that's such a silly thing why do I even think about that"
pankkake: I love it. it has a bunch of libs too
punkman: 26-06-2014 Pending More YES than NO on this bet
kakobrekla: has been tried on numerous occasions, never was or will be accepted
BingoBoingo: moiety: You didn't watch the horror video did you?
moiety: i've banned myself from streaming but its only 35 so will do now
moiety: jesus christ is the dogers in lego form
BingoBoingo: I recommend against watching it if you enjoy your eyes and ears
moiety: why the fuck have people been telling me this movie is good?
BingoBoingo: moiety: Because you run a dogecoin cam site on the side?
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 511511.43 Est. Next Diff: 395074.76 in 1754 blocks (#38304) Est. % Change: -22.76
moiety: nah it's still there. I had to make them a dedicated room for cam spam.
moiety: half? did you try to exit the plane half way?
ThickAsThieves: it was one of those shitty systems where you cant initiate a movie from anytime you want
moiety: do you really wish you had seen it form the start? 35 seconds was enough for me to want to peel my own skin off
BingoBoingo: It really is the worst socialist propoganda I've been exposed to.
ThickAsThieves: the only thing worth taking from the movie is that song
moiety: i can now thank BB for two of the most awful things i have ever seen and cannot unsee
moiety: jesus they can't be helped: "i need an online wallet" "don't use an online wallet, use dropbox!" *facedesk*
moiety: BingoBoingo: first sharpie bum boy, now lego scarring, don't make it a hattrick please. i value my sanity.
pankkake: moiety: encrypted wallet.dat on dropbox is certainly more secure - actually I can't find any drawback in terms of security or privacy
BingoBoingo: pankkake: Well other than the frequent dropbox security breaches let everyone know you have a wallet.dat
moiety: just no to dropbox out of principle
assbot: The Laundry Quarters Delivery Startup Is Dead (And in Hell?)
pankkake: oh, I hate dropbox, I consider that everything you put there is public
moiety: dropbox: so insecure we wrote a paper to prove it
pankkake: BingoBoingo: at least they decided to end it early
BingoBoingo: The comments are the best "I admire their "give up" attitude." "Not enoug people give up"
assbot: Overcoming Bias : Fail Faster
punkman: ;;buy 10000 ATC @ 0.02 BTC
pankkake: that 2 BTC sports bet rule is harsh
atcbot: 65k@280 30k@279 50k@278 | 972k@199 750k@175 216k@160
pankkake: understandable, just saying there might be less expensive solutions
pankkake: I don't bet on sports, I would bet on starcraft but I ended up being the only one (and losing)
BingoBoingo: I don't think any of the line books that tried e-stuff were able to keep it up
ThickAsThieves: <+pankkake> I don't bet on sports, I would bet on starcraft but I ended up being the only one (and losing) /// it's kinda surprising how little Bitcoin has penatrated the gamer community
pankkake: perhaps because gamers seldom penetrate (ha ha!)
pankkake: but anyway, gamers were mining quite early, but perhaps they sold early too
jborkl: Hi, got your message thestringpuller
jborkl: I think in Korea Starcraft betting was popular
pankkake: I don't use steam but I often see gift codes for sale in btc
jborkl: thestringpuller : Thank you also
assbot: Google turns on its crazy modular phone in public for the first time | The Verge
pankkake: I'm not sure the concept will ever be practical but I'd really like it. that's why I like full grown PCs
pankkake: I don't have to find the best compromise, I just have the best
ThickAsThieves: The stock was priced near the top of its range at $24 a share and quickly rose to $30 in early trading, meaning the company is worth a little more than $3 billion.
empyex: FabianB: Traded in last 24 hours: S.MPOE
moiety: i wish steam would accept btc
moiety: i do like steam, must admit
kakobrekla: >I'm not unable. I'm unwilling. There is a difference. I won't bother you with details of licenses and fiduciary duties, blah, blah, blah... Instead I will just say that any recommendation I gave could be viewed as a conflict of interest due to my affiliation with something that could be irrationally misconstrued as a security. Therefore, I am not willing to give you a recommendation on a specific investment, only to educate you so th
kakobrekla: may be better prepared to choose one for yourself.
kakobrekla: >due to my affiliation with something that could be irrationally misconstrued as a security < got that shit right.
mike_c: you arguing on tardtalk again?
mike_c: that did sound funny. link?
assbot: Jury indicts Campus Habitat owner | Carbondale Times
BingoBoingo: Dude buys thing, then buys thing again from himself
mike_c: hah. that is humor. "At first I started investing in these things because I thought I was actually helping the bitcoin ecosystem. It turns out I've been helping the twat-waffles of the bitcoin ecosystem."
mike_c: i don't know what a twat-waffle is, but he sounds right to me.
assbot: [HAVELOCK:SMG] 1D: 0.00004912 / 4.92E-5 / 0.00005000 (1100 shares, 0.05412084 BTC), 7D: 0.00004912 / 4.931E-5 / 0.00005016 (1340 shares, 0.06607088 BTC), 30D: 0.00004000 / 5.6E-5 / 0.00007570 (15620 shares, 0.87466372 BTC)
mike_c: ;;calc 0.00004912 / 0.000091
assbot: Why Do You Invest? : BitcoinStocks
mike_c: havelock share of s.mg is worth 54% of a mpex share of s.mg.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.04397982 = 0.8796 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7300 @ 0.00082511 = 6.0233 BTC [+]
assbot: If you’re one of the numerous Buenos Aires printing shops I’ll be harassing over the day pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
gribble: Nick 'mircea_popescu', with hostmask 'mircea_popescu!~Mircea@pdpc/supporter/silver/mircea-popescu', is identified as user 'mircea_popescu', with GPG key id 8A736F0E2FB7B452, key fingerprint 6160E1CAC8A3C52966FD76998A736F0E2FB7B452, and bitcoin address None
assbot: Bitcoin’s Most Controversial Startup | I Travel Easy
mike_c: you know what makes an article easier to read? italicizing the entire thing.
chetty: that is like the like worst article evea
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves: i think that was bottom < something like that
pankkake: ThickAsThieves: PMed him. we'll see
pankkake: that article looks like a spambot creation
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla: >“We’re the backbone of the entire Bitcoin industry,” says Kodrič, 25, who’s wearing a black t-shirt with “Zero Excuses” in fluorescent green capital letters. <<< ahahaha epic
punkman: shouldn't that say "CANS + STRING"
punkman: maybe another tshirt for nubbins to print
assbot: Summary 26 May-25 June | #Bitcoin-Assets Reception
ThickAsThieves: a set of shirts, where one shirt has a can and half a string, and the other shirt has the other can
moiety: :D sorry it was such a long time span
mike_c: heh. or one can on front, one on back, string wraps around your side.
moiety: i wouldve like nubbins` to print a top with #bitcoin lower back and then wee shorts with -assets on the arse
ThickAsThieves: <+BingoBoingo> #BITCOIN-ASSETS: All Cans, No String /// sounds like a slogan for strip joint
ThickAsThieves: hilarious, now media says SELL! "Barclays has given Netflix an Underweight rating, with a price target of $390, which is around 11% lower than its current stock price."
ThickAsThieves: We'd like to make at least 11% on this trade, thank you kind public.
mircea_popescu: pankkake: moiety: encrypted wallet.dat on dropbox is certainly more secure - actually I can't find any drawback in terms of security or privacy << stock "encrypted" wallet leaks a lot of metadata.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves fwiw i don't see the case for netflix. what are they going to do ?
moiety: gpg is the only encryption for me :D
pankkake: compared to online wallet, all the same - you're leaking to the online wallet
mike_c: netflix is doing good original content. it's a new HBO.
mircea_popescu: "Young male founders must all be drinking the same Soylent. Either that or they have a hard time…" USING THE NOGGIN ?
mircea_popescu: mike_c you know what tried that ? the original company hiring the pierce muppet as a male twink escort.
ThickAsThieves: it wont be long before TV is computer and channels are websites, etc, just as netflix gains ground, theyll gain competition from all over
mircea_popescu: you know how people used to make a living writing books ? and you know how it wasn't long before all books were blogs and whatnot ?
ThickAsThieves: i think they can surive and even grow in the long term, i just wouldnt invest in them long term
chetty: *GERMANY ENDING VERIZON CONTRACT, CITING NSA: AP
ThickAsThieves: verizon emailed me saying they are sad i'm gone today, and that theyve change
Duffer1: imo they'll need to do a lot better than what they currently offer
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves i did say the case tho. i mean, grow, sure, fine. doing what ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10549 @ 0.00082432 = 8.6958 BTC [-] {2}
Duffer1: ah thought you meant broadband
cuwirebeard: And just as govts burn(ed) books theyll burn...internets!
ThickAsThieves: curation of original content, convenience -- the new equivalent of a good TV channel
mircea_popescu: Subject: Your FED TAX payment (ID:03SIRS815097882) was Rejected
mike_c: i got a paper version of that scam recently
mike_c: actually got me for a second.
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mircea_popescu: pankkake: understandable, just saying there might be less expensive solutions << perhjaps, but you gotta understand, there's no game in the world that's cheaper than 1k.
ThickAsThieves: how much do you guys think the SR coins will auction for?
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves: that i could play in with friends << private bet is your friend.
BingoBoingo: I honestly wouldn't be surprised if Silbert bid above market
ThickAsThieves: problem is no one i know in dota uses bitcoin, and oddly a couple weeks ago they just all stopped signing on
mircea_popescu: depends who buys it. if any non alligned buyer actually makes a serious offer, upwards of 25mn. if nobody gets involved and the original plan can proceed, 15mn or so.
atcbot: 65k@280 30k@279 50k@278 | 972k@199 750k@175 216k@160
benkay: <mircea_popescu> benkay just ftr i based your sarcasm :D // pardon?
benkay: my goal is to have at least 5 in the top-of-all-time
benkay: bash kinda has silly dynamics what with winner-taking-all
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mike_c: no reason to go to 1 on that. should have been 80k, 90k.
mircea_popescu: At the risk of stemming the stimulating debate revolving around OGNasty's smartiferous proposition "losing money on various bitcoin investings is teh road to riches,"
assbot: Havelock Securities At A Glance: The SRS BZNZ Edition
mircea_popescu: smartiferous should totally be a thing. the ooze of ferrous craneus
ThickAsThieves: it is happening tomorrow after all, and who knows what info will leak
assbot: BitPagos Raises $600,000 Seed Round to Boost Bitcoin Use in South America - Venture Capital Dispatch - WSJ
Apocalyptic: mircea_popescu, you must !up via pm prolly
mircea_popescu: NO! I SHALL SAY UP IN HERE AGAIN unless assbot appeases me
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mircea_popescu: mike_c havelock share of s.mg is worth 54% of a mpex share of s.mg. << nuts huh
mike_c: probably overvalues havelock share.
mike_c: it's not even a share of s.mg. it's a share of a unit of havelol's smg fund. but the discount is counterparty, plus the difference of havelock investor opinion vs. mpex investor opinion (or IQ).
mircea_popescu: so basically poor investor can lose 50% ayear even with an achor ?
mircea_popescu: is this one of those "made roi hand over fist" ognasty situations ?
mike_c: well, they made money on a fiat basis :D
assbot: Argentina pag el vencimiento de los bonos reestructurados | Axel Kicillof, Litigio con los holdouts - Infobae
mircea_popescu: argentina paid its conversion debt and is going to stiff the vulture funds.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26300 @ 0.00082355 = 21.6594 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: Peronism, The Falkland Islands, Financial Shennanigans, Argentina is basically the Eric Cartman of International Intrigue
assbot: [MPEX] [D.BPAY] 65 @ 0.23999999 = 15.6 BTC
ThickAsThieves: "I was an idiot and assumed that the "random" button on brainwallet.org was truly random, but it clearly is not. My coins were taken by someone who is clearly smarter than myself and this is completely my fault by creating Bitcoin addresses on a website that I assumed was safe. There's a $20k life lesson that I'll never forget, that's for sure. Also, to elaborate, I did not use the
ThickAsThieves: passphrase functionality on brainwallet.org, I used the random button to create the addresses."
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30750 @ 0.00082541 = 25.3814 BTC [+] {3}
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 511511.43 Est. Next Diff: 401594.40 in 1735 blocks (#38304) Est. % Change: -21.49
assbot: Why the 1929 Chart Is a Bunch of Nonsense - MoneyBeat - WSJ
ThickAsThieves: i love how their main argument is that the % is much less severe than portrayed, like everything would be daisies if the market dropped 40% or whatever
assbot: Time to Officially Stick a Fork in That 1929 Chart - MoneyBeat - WSJ
ThickAsThieves: (note they used same scale they said was no good before)
ThickAsThieves: theyve also time-shifted the red line forward to look further laong
nubbins`: esp. the wrapping around the side
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nubbins`: ;;later tell thestringpuller you mean like life-size cardboard cutouts? the kind you'd find at a Lord of the Rings premiere?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18731 @ 0.0008256 = 15.4643 BTC [+] {2}
nubbins`: tough to ship, i always thought they got those things made locally
nubbins`: you thinking full-color prints?
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pankkake: author of the article kills himself, 6 bullets in the head
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mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves nice lol. "it is time, once and for all" too.
ninjashogun: thanks kakobrekla. I don't remember exactly who I spoke to in here before, if we've spoken and you trust me enough for voice you can give me whatever WoT rating with assbot is necessary and justified based on our interaction for me to type Up.
ninjashogun: I just registered on WoT today, because I've started discussing trades elsewhere. I haven't traded on anyone from here before, though I've connected with real-world people (real identities).
kakobrekla: hey at least some words came out of this one
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves i like how the original title included "scary" but then editors took it out
mircea_popescu: "“I have been in this business for over 43 years, yet I do not ever recall getting as slammed with the same email as many times as I have about"
mircea_popescu: yeah dude totally, recall the email slamming of 1959 ?
mircea_popescu: "Here’s a look at the chart comparing point moves and percentage moves. On a percentage basis, this spooky comparison doesn’t look quite so frightful."
mircea_popescu: " Daniel Wiener, chief executive at Adviser Investments in Newton, Mass., blamed the Internet"
mircea_popescu: “The reason why this bothers me is twofold – first, it frightens investors into making poor decisions – big decisions that will have a major impact on their mental health and financial condition well into the future. Second, the more we see this kind of pornography, the more likely it is to have an impact on crowd psychology and become a self-fulfilling prophecy. "
mircea_popescu: clearly. i blame asciilifeform. he wrecked the us economy.
mircea_popescu: "It’s like putting a disturbed, isolated teenager in front of violent first-person shooter video games all day. If we know that most Americans are scared to invest in their own future, what’s the reason to fuel that fear even further? Sadism? Or just plain exploitative greed?”"
mircea_popescu: dude, exploitative greed. teenager. videogames. it's got it all.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves that was the one most lulzy piece of lulz i have seen in my entire life. ty vm.
mircea_popescu: pankkake: author of the article kills himself, 6 bullets in the head << 6 mysterious bullets to the head that'll make you believe there's a god ?
mircea_popescu: we were starting to think you got like a regular job orsomething
mircea_popescu: "Frankly, it’s time to put the “scary parallels” between now and 1929 to rest. This isn’t 1929. Not even close. Anyone who tells you differently is talking nonsense."
mircea_popescu: "hey us economy, remember that time in 1929 when you had lupus ?
mircea_popescu: well this time ain't that time. ain't even close. now you got bladder cancer."
hanbot: was watching logs, wondering if they eventually went out and asked the homeless people what they thought of that chart, mircea_popescu
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39039 @ 0.00082466 = 32.1939 BTC [-] {2}
hanbot: and no, it's not for "helping" with anything other than ostrich impressionism
benkay: princessnell and hanbot at once?
hanbot: now there's a catchy pasta name
mircea_popescu: they're starting to miss numbers in the paint-by-the-numbers set.
benkay: there's a pun in there
moiety: i finally have curtains with poles and everything :D homelyness ftw
moiety: how are you liking argentina hanbot? settled in?
moiety: yeah lol curtain poles... there were just blinds up before when i moved in
hanbot: it's a nice country, good coffee. haha, curtaindancing?
moiety: i could stick a red light in the window see what happens i guess XD
moiety: he may well be! but mine don't look like that
hanbot: i'm having a hard time getting past the juxtaposition of butt and flossing o.O
moiety: i didn't even notice the floss... not gonna lie
moiety: someone clever hid all his bath towels, good work.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13200 @ 0.00082315 = 10.8656 BTC [-] {2}
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 92 @ 0.0166 = 1.5272 BTC [+]
cazalla: does anyone know a Shane Stevenson, Matthew K (don't know last name) behind the recent cointree.com.au exchange?
pankkake: I was going to say "this pic looks like gummo". but it's gummo :(
assbot: [MPEX] [S.WOL] 500000 @ 0.00004005 = 20.025 BTC {7}
bitstein: I really liked Spring Breakers.
pankkake: I watched it because of the music
assbot: Pastiches ... consommer sans modration - Temps
assbot: Bethlehem - Schuld Uns'res Knoch'rigen Faltpferd - "Gummo" ('97) Soundtrack - YouTube
pankkake: I've read "La vie sexuelle de Tintin", that was quite a WTF
mircea_popescu: time once and for all to put la vie sexuelle de tintin once and for all to rest.
punkman is contemplating starting a clothing label called cans+string
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bitstein: Not yet. I think it opens on July 4th for that party. I'll probably go.
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mircea_popescu: justusranvier "We’ll see why nobody uses arbitrarily-complex verbal contracts in practise by looking at what happens when something goes wrong." << this is nonsense. marriage is always and in all places the most complex contract, and almost always verbal.
mircea_popescu: one of the best things about a lot of floor space and stuff like parquet is that you can go for long chair rides
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mircea_popescu: in the news : whatsapp revenue climbs to record 3.8 bn for quarter 2 (about $8500 per user), making the ~250mn profit trickling down to facebook slightly better than what it'd have got if it simply bought gilts for 20bn.
justusranvier: mircea_popescu: I consider marriage contracts to be relatively simple, especially the verbal ones before the state started getting involved.
justusranvier: If a contract is fully specified in some tangible form, then the amount of entropy in the explaination is inversely proportional to the simpleness.
mircea_popescu: so by this measure marriage contracts are the most complex contracts that can exist.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not even going there, we supplement "meaningful" to serve his position.
justusranvier: Marriage: party A provides resources. Party B provides certainty of genetic lineage.
justusranvier: If either side fails to perform the contract no longer exists.
justusranvier: Before the State took over and made things rediculous
mircea_popescu: yesterday i had a girl over, and the local girl and the new girl managed the use of the kitchen together.
mircea_popescu: According to a TechCrunch article, Zuckerberg's vision for Internet.org was as follows: "The idea, he said, is to develop a group of basic internet services that would be free of charge to use – 'a 911 for the internet.' These could be a social networking service like Facebook, a messaging service, maybe search and other things like weather. Providing a bundle of these free of charge to users will work like a gateway
mircea_popescu: drug of sorts – users who may be able to afford data services and phones these days just don’t see the point of why they would pay for those data services. This would give them some context for why they are important, and that will lead them to paying for more services like this – or so the hope goes."
mircea_popescu: this has got to be the most fucktarded business model i ever read.
mircea_popescu: so what, the reason i don't; buy an android tho i could afford to buy the engineer designing it is that... wait for it... it never occured to me to get... internet weather ?
justusranvier: The spooks want Total Information Awareness. Zuckerberg is paid to get as many people as possible to opt in to surveillance.
punkman: it would be a perfectly fine business model if they'd make some money from their crappy ads
justusranvier: As long as he keeps getting more people to voluntarily give him their data, he keeps getting paid
mircea_popescu: justusranvier but that's your theory. i am a businessman, i read what's written.
mircea_popescu: punkman right ? remember the days back when 1% CTR was LOW ?
mircea_popescu: hey mike_c you got like 10 btc with your name on it! s.wol mktcap like 400 atm.
punkman: I could indeed make money while I was sleeping then
mike_c: mircea_popescu: sweet! new ATH
justusranvier: mircea_popescu: As you said, the business model on it's face is retarded. There's no way it could legitimately generate a profit.
justusranvier: Facebook et al have been like that from the beginning
mircea_popescu: now this is true... i guess facebook just used the capital judiciously.
mircea_popescu: "if you gave us all this money for nothing, now here's 3x as much nothing"
justusranvier: So if it's not possible for them to legitmately generate profits, and they continue to as business, then at some point the most plausible explaination is their profit somes from some other source
mircea_popescu: btw, anyone read zuck's 10 page whitepaper on future of internets last year ?
mircea_popescu: justusranvier not necessarily. pirate didn't have "some other source"
justusranvier: So Booz Allen Hamilton has one of their subsidaries start buying up analytics from advertising firms. Those firms become Facebook's customers.
justusranvier: Money gets transferred cleanly from three-letter-agency to Facebook without any obvious trail.
justusranvier: As long as you've got a buyer hidden somewhere with (effectively) infinately-deep pockets, then they can just put out RFQs and let it appear as if the "free market" has spontaneously formed an industry.
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punkman: justusranvier: hidden things aren't what they used to be
mircea_popescu: the general rule is that no bureaucracy can hide anything.
mircea_popescu: only people can hide, starting with the salami and ending where you please.
Mats_cd03: asciilifeform: 3 hours spent trying to convince you he understands the usb stack better than you do. hilarious
assbot: C3TV -Seeing The Secret State: Six Landscapes
punkman: dude takes some incredible photos
benkay: <mircea_popescu> when something goes wrong... people fuck. // and when things go right...
assbot: Trevor Paglen :::: WORK
assbot: The Last Psychiatrist: Who Bullies The Bullies?
mircea_popescu: "This cover story details #young #vulnerable #feminist writer Amanda Hess's frustration with disinterested male law enforcement when, after writing an article about receiving rape threats from a troll, she received rape threats from a troll."
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 29 @ 0.0439594 = 1.2748 BTC [-]
Mats_cd03: "and then he stalked her on Facebook!" the humanity
mircea_popescu: "Anonymity makes the internet mean and gives trolls= men too much power."
mircea_popescu: oh boy, am i ever so grandiosely positioned for that one. can't wait.
mircea_popescu: You may at this point roll your eyes epileptically and retort, "well, who cares 'what the system wants', the fact is anonymity does embolden the lunatics, shouldn't we try to restrict it?" Great question, too bad it's irrelevant. You've taken the bait and put all your energy into accepting the form of the argument. The issue isn't whether we should abolish online anonymity, since this will never happen. For every Ameri
mircea_popescu: can senator trying to curb anonymity there's going to be a Scandinavian cyberpirate who will come up with a workaround, and only one of them knows how to code. Besides, there's no power in abolishing anonymity, the power is in giving everyone the pretense of anonymity while secretly retaining the PGP keys to the kingdom.
mircea_popescu: look at that, guy groks things enough to know pgp is the correct reference ?
Mats_cd03: This is the subtle shift: what starts out as "misogyny is bad" becomes "anonymity facilitates misogyny."
Mats_cd03: crystallized something i have felt for a long time but am not eloquent to describe
RSM: we have ~129BTC in the wallet but have to pay £15k soon for 1(GH/s) of Scrypt ASIC's off AlphaT
RSM: plus have 5(TH/s)@5kW hashing
mike_c: ;;calc .0006 / .000985
mike_c: i guess the market says there is a 40% chance you'll steal all the coin
RSM: 796 has nowhere near the any speculators like BCT did
RSM: lol I've been hear since 2011
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RSM: why steal now after 4 years
mike_c: i don't think you will, the market does.