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BingoBoingo: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/26o47f/please_report_this_person_to_twitter_they_are/chsy3ir
assbot: _niko comments on Please report this person to twitter. They are threatening Andreas saying they will kill him.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1168 @ 0.00009427 = 0.1101 BTC [-] {7}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3832 @ 0.00009031 = 0.3461 BTC [-] {11}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 5000 @ 0.00009004 = 0.4502 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20400 @ 0.00089755 = 18.31 BTC [+] {2}
joecool: lol
joecool: https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu < looks like twitter got mad
assbot: Twitter / Account gesperrt
jurov: !up tych0
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 5000 @ 0.00009 = 0.45 BTC [-] {6}
jurov: !up mius
BingoBoingo: I swear the Buttcoin people offer more insightful commentary into Bitcoin than r/bitcoin
jurov: !up duke_
duke_: what does it mean
duke_: i can talk now ?
jurov: yes
duke_: amazing
duke_: amazing
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 6500 @ 0.0000899 = 0.5844 BTC [-] {9}
jurov: BingoBoingo: that's not surprising
cgcardona: asciilifeform: this is you right? http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1108 nice post
assbot: Loper OS » A Review of MPEx, the Bitcoin Stock Exchange.
tych0: o_o
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 50 @ 0.0042805 = 0.214 BTC [+]
mike_c: talk about a battle of retard nations. twitter vs bitcointalk. which is worse? bitcointalk banning mpoe-pr or twitter banning mircea?
pankkake: twitter is democratic/witchhunt ban
mike_c: some employee had to pull the trigger, no?
pankkake: also, probably won't last
pankkake: I don't think so
pankkake: mass report/block does this
BingoBoingo: mike_c: I think bans are probably automated when a landslide of reports from a TOS violating reddit witchhunt occur
mike_c: interesting.. so the mob can silence anyone.
mike_c: (on twitter)
csshih: it's twitter
csshih: what did you honestly expect
mike_c: idk. they aren't even public yet. i guess i expected more of a laissez faire attitude.
mike_c: wait, brain fart. of course they are public. ok, nevermind.
cgcardona: mike_c: thye're public https://www.google.com/finance?q=NYSE:TWTR
assbot: Twitter Inc: NYSE:TWTR quotes & news - Google Finance
cgcardona: ah heh
cgcardona: you just beat me
csshih: lol
cgcardona: yea public company === 'LAWYERS'
cgcardona: i was at Trulia before/after the IPO and there was a noticable difference
cgcardona: still a very cool company FWIW but def a difference before/after the IPO
asciilifeform: cgcardona: this is you right << aye
cgcardona: yes, good post
asciilifeform: cgcardona: story behind that post. one day, mpoe-pr (first contact) writes to me, asks, 'mr. p found your piece re: btc interesting, have a free demo of his mpex system, write us a review.' so i had test drive, wrote review.
asciilifeform: then ended up... here.
asciilifeform: at the time, i was a very pessimistic skeptic of any btc-based system driven by human hands (vs. mechanically decentralized a la the blockchain)
asciilifeform: given as the only stock exchange widget i was aware of was... glbse.
asciilifeform: hence the very dour tone of the piece - 'mpex will work great until it won't' etc
Mats_cd03: https://soundcloud.com/rac/edward-sharpe-home-rac-mix
assbot: Edward Sharpe & The Magnetic Zeros - Home (RAC Mix) by RAC on SoundCloud - Hear the worlds sounds
asciilifeform: year and half later, mpex still wurks, mp is alive.
mike_c: although he did get extradited out of romania
asciilifeform: by ocelots.
asciilifeform: (they wanted to be petted)
Mats_cd03: thanks ThickAsThieves
asciilifeform: ;;later tell moiety there are cats in argentina found almost nowhere else - oncifelis guigna, in particular
gribble: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Salzkatze.jpg
assbot: File:Salzkatze.jpg - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
BingoBoingo: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Leopardus_pajeros_20101006.jpg
assbot: File:Leopardus pajeros 20101006.jpg - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
BingoBoingo: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d0/Leopardus_guigna.jpeg
asciilifeform: ^ possibly the rarest of all felids
BingoBoingo: Well, with the exception of some of the only in captivity big cats
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.0975 = 0.975 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: http://www.wildcatconservation.org/wild-cats/south-america/argentina-cats-photo-gallery/
assbot: Argentina Cats Photo Gallery - International Society for Endangered Cats | International Society for Endangered Cats
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5979 @ 0.00089031 = 5.3232 BTC [-] {2}
moiety: these lil folks are amazing asciilifeform! i thought they looked like the sand cat in head shape, same genus :] like sand cats with more patterns
moiety: why must they attach cameras to cat traps? D;
asciilifeform: moiety: 'camera trap' doesn't trap anyone
asciilifeform: it's just a camera with a motion sensor.
Duffer1: ;stamp
Duffer1: what's that command?
moiety: oh! i thought they were capturing them physically as well lol. oh, i'm really glad you said that
BingoBoingo: Like the camera trap at the gas station
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 576.61, Best ask: 578.79, Bid-ask spread: 2.18000, Last trade: 578.8, 24 hour volume: 9053.01241487, 24 hour low: 563.45, 24 hour high: 582.26, 24 hour vwap: 574.023886742
Duffer1: ah
Duffer1: ;;gox
gribble: Error: "gox" is not a valid command.
Duffer1: "
asciilifeform: moiety: the radio-collared beasts obviously had to be caught first.
Duffer1: hehe
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 578.8, vol: 9053.01241487 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 562.002, vol: 5720.20893 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 578.35, vol: 7717.89279627 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 582.63, vol: 21.9567761 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 572.790004, vol: 3703.02700000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 576.26171, vol: 5.45939888 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 569.7981, vol: 48.00656821 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)
BingoBoingo: ;;more
gribble: 574.149058219
moiety: asciilifeform: but i had thoughts of scared looking people in puffer caots like with the manuls rather than them sitting frightened in a trap all night til the morning
moiety: puffer coats*
BingoBoingo: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=fuck+you+money
assbot: Urban Dictionary: fuck you money
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4711 @ 0.00089759 = 4.2285 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: Manuls are on the move http://newswatch.nationalgeographic.com/2014/02/15/discovery-of-first-pallas-cat-in-nepal/
assbot: 403 Forbidden
moiety: i saw him! good christmas present for the photographer :D this one is extra fluffy too. if they lived here, i would go searching
asciilifeform: pet the manul (tm)
BingoBoingo: I can imagine the Pallas Cat becoming an invasive species in Scotland at $500k/BTC
moiety: there's a cat they only discovered in 1992. black footed cat, though it's only the pads that are black.
moiety: we should have the manul as a national animal instead of the fricking unicorn
BingoBoingo: Ah, here in Illinois our mascot seems to be corruption of the wrong sort.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16689 @ 0.00090035 = 15.0259 BTC [+] {2}
moiety: sounds fun... isn't that the way with anywhere with politicians?
BingoBoingo: moiety: We have a rather direct line from the Governor's mansion to Jail.
moiety: scandalous!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59158 @ 0.00089509 = 52.9517 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 9 @ 0.46330438 = 4.1697 BTC [-] {6}
BingoBoingo: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/30/illinois-governors-in-pri_n_2581182.html
assbot: Illinois Governors In Prison: 4 Of State's Last 7 Governors Were Convicted, Imprisoned
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.46330087 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 3 @ 0.03350001 = 0.1005 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.46330044 BTC [-]
moiety: BingoBoingo: 4/7... im not sure if this is good they are being caught there or bad that theres so many?
moiety: !up poutine
moiety: hello
poutine: Hi
moiety: how are you? are you new to assets poutine?
moiety: !up HeySteve
moiety: !up decimation
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4462 @ 0.00090144 = 4.0222 BTC [+]
poutine: moiety, Nah, I had found the channel through someone embedding an ASCII shout out in a nonstandard tx on the blockchain
poutine: spoke to some members before
decimation: !down decimation
decimation: Thanks moiety
decimation: http://www.iclarified.com/41077/renesas-to-sell-display-chip-business-to-synaptics-not-apple
assbot: iClarified - Apple News - Renesas to Sell Display Chip Business to Synaptics, Not Apple?
decimation: Apple had been in talks to acquire Renesas' entire 55% stake for an estimated 50 billion yen ($479 million).
moiety: poutine: ah kk. there's a wiki page on the channel homepage in the topic. what do you do?
decimation: WTF. So Apple is willing to offer $0.5 billion for an actual fabbed silicon company, while Google paid $3.2 billion for Nest, which had 50,000 overpriced (and underfeatured) thermostats shipped?
poutine: moiety, Well I recently familiarized myself with several aspects of the source code, and have been writing some custom transactions myself, https://blockchain.info/tx/15c2b9bc3b93e0c0a037c5fa8402d0e34e13d3bb0ce7fca65888e5d24e597dcc is a recent one. Just taking an interest in the core functions of the cryptocurrency and the communities surrounding it
assbot: Bitcoin Transaction 15c2b9bc3b93e0c0a037c5fa8402d0e34e13d3bb0ce7fca65888e5d24e597dcc
moiety: np decimation, sorry i didn't check seeif you could self up. i bet Apple is pissed ..and I wonder how much more Synaptics offered
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.48 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: Google paid $3.2 billion for Nest, which had 50,000 overpriced << somebody's butt buddy needed his pockets filled.
decimation: My point is that $450 million is really cheap for a leading silicon fab firm
decimation: I can't think of any better proof that our "economy" is just a "USG friends & family plan"
cgcardona: apple bought beatz. crazy
moiety: poutine: well there's a lot to learn and this is a good place to have your ears open :]do you use btc in your working life at all?
poutine: No, but I am developing some cluster based transactional services for it
moiety: google don't seem to have purse strings though, they just buy everything
asciilifeform: diesel bus in usa costs about 300k.
asciilifeform: ;;calc (450*10**6) / (3*10**5)
gribble: 1500
asciilifeform: 450 mil buys a 'greyhound' fleet.
moiety: poutine: transactional services?
moiety: asciilifeform: with or without windows?
asciilifeform: gasenbus?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 5 @ 0.03574966 = 0.1787 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 573.9, Best ask: 574.9, Bid-ask spread: 1.00000, Last trade: 573.7, 24 hour volume: 8078.38968169, 24 hour low: 563.45, 24 hour high: 582.26, 24 hour vwap: 573.657383249
mircea_popescu: egalite fraternite stabilite
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: How has the adjustment to the new time zone been?
mircea_popescu: well it turns out i was living on argentine time when in romania
mircea_popescu: so now i wake at like 8am
decimation: asciilifeform: is your point that a greyhound fleet should yield the same revenue as the #10 silicon fab?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: tried to blind a flir drone? gasenwagen. << im still boggled by what's involved into weaponizing this. seems more like a bureaucrat striving to limit imagined risks than anything sane
asciilifeform: decimation: either direction
mircea_popescu: \cgcardona: the header on trilema changed again? i thought it was once a quarter << i made an exception
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: not hard to destroy $maxint camera if 10w+ laser aimed by skilled marksman.
decimation: lasers are cheap too
asciilifeform: the buggers love to mount fisheye lenses, too
mircea_popescu: typical drone flies 10k feet up
mircea_popescu: it's not eye visible
mircea_popescu: you'd have to aim at it with computerized system
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: that'd be a bomber. not a city police camera
mircea_popescu: o that shit ?
decimation: I bet binoculars would work
mircea_popescu: those are cheap tho
asciilifeform: choppers fly low, as well
asciilifeform: over here, i can almost see the people inside.
mircea_popescu: yeah, but it's still hard to get it with a laser.
decimation: well, in DC they have crazy airspace restrictions
mircea_popescu: camera is still a sq inch
dub: you know bill gates can shoot down mosquitos with lasers
asciilifeform: aeronautic cameras have gigantic objectives
dub: automated dron takedown is probably easier
decimation: as for lasers on aircraft, you don't neet to blind the pilot - simply dazzle
mircea_popescu: dub, coming out h
mircea_popescu: of his glasses glass ?
mircea_popescu: decimation, dazzle my foot, they fly on auto anyway
mircea_popescu: pilot is more there to tell the stewardesses to fasten their seatbelt than anything
decimation: actually I bet that's less true for helicopters than commercial aircraft
dub: fuckwits pointing these thinks at passenger aircraft is a real problem
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: now i wake at like 8am << yer in my time zone now, minus the dst crap
dub: it even happens here in sensible land\
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, how about that!
decimation: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qantas_Flight_32
assbot: Qantas Flight 32 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
decimation: Captain de Crespigny concentrated on flying and managing the aircraft and monitoring the (100 ECAM) checklists being actioned by the First Officer. The supernumerary pilots monitored all actions and assisted where necessary.[23]
decimation: Humans exist to monitor the autopilot's turds
decimation: the cause of the engine failure: a Rolls Royce failed to manufacture an oil tube properly
decimation: I suspect that a jet engine manufacturer is worth less than a bus fleet too
mircea_popescu: decimation, so he was there telling the stewardesses when to take their belts off when suddenly a mountain hit it
asciilifeform: i like to convert sv vc crapolade to bus units
mircea_popescu: http://static3.businessinsider.com/image/5339a8dbeab8ea952ef6ac9a-1200/better-than-being-for-sale-at-least.jpg
mircea_popescu: +bitcoin
decimation: rolls royce made 3 greyhounds worth of profit last year http://www.rolls-royce.com/news/press_releases/2014/13022014_2013_full_year_results.jsp
assbot: Rolls-Royce Holdings plc 2013 Full Year Results - Rolls-Royce
decimation: which is only 91% of Google's Nest offer
decimation: I guess Rolls Royce should have made dumbass thermostats, it would have been more profitable
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: how many rolls royces did whatsapp make ?
asciilifeform remembers reading, horrified, as a child, about some south american dictator giving his chum an unlimited bank account. now lives in a place where this is, more or less, SOP.
mircea_popescu: mike_c: talk about a battle of retard nations. twitter vs bitcointalk. which is worse? bitcointalk banning mpoe-pr or twitter banning mircea? << actually, me on twitter was prolly against their business model. mpoe-pr on btctalk is also against their business model.
decimation: well, Rolls Royce had a profit of $2,940mn before tax in 2013, so $19bn for whatsapp is 6.4 years of Rolls-Royce profit, or 1.5 years of revenue
asciilifeform had a shoebox full of toilet paper infla-money as a kid - https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9A%D0%B0%D1%80%D0%B1%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B5%D1%86#mediaviewer/%D0%A4%D0%B0%D0%B9%D0%BB:Ukraine-1991-Bill-1-Obverse.jpg
decimation: Rolls Royce should ditch making engines and start making dumbass apps and stuff
cazalla: those laser pointers are considered a weapon in some states of australia
decimation: I have a modest collection of Weimar notes
cazalla: there was also a hand in your laser amnesty when it came in
asciilifeform: decimation: it's somewhat more educational when you watch your parents try to buy groceries with them
assbot: [MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 111 @ 0.00254047 = 0.282 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: cazalla: did they confiscate dvd-r drives?
decimation: yes, it feels like that time will come in the US some day
mircea_popescu: assbot: Illinois Governors In Prison: 4 Of State's Last 7 Governors Were Convicted, Imprisoned << isn't it time for a whore governor ?
mircea_popescu: decimation, you comparing profit to implied mkt cap ?
decimation: well, I guess the rule of thumb I was taught was for a private company, a reasonable offer is about 5 years revenue
mircea_popescu: decimation: My point is that $450 million is really cheap for a leading silicon fab firm << definitely a good buy yes
asciilifeform: what can one infer about a town where someone bought a fat house for $100, and someone hired a whore for $100k ?
asciilifeform: (re: semiconductor house & thermostat folks)
decimation: I donno, I guess it seems like in the world of building electronics, it takes lots of hard work and expensive trained staff to make a few percent profit per annum
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, that it's chicago ?
decimation: where in other more bezzle-oriented industries you can have massive profit margins for little effort
mircea_popescu: decimation, the difference being that if you like your profit you can keep your profit.
mircea_popescu: ahaha
decimation: yeah that's true, the the bezzle-world you have to dance by the money-printer's tune
BingoBoingo wonders where the infant laser marksmanship training occurs
mircea_popescu: you certainly can't send a few ks to a specialist butcher to bring you random derp's head on a platter.
decimation: the head of the FSB or whoever certainly could
mircea_popescu: yes well. apple is not that. just a humble biz.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well, this fall's gubernatorial election could bring a surprise similar to the UKIP win
decimation: I don't buy that the UK masses have suddenly turned against thier progressive overlords
decimation: asciilifeform speaking of bezzle, have you seen what it costs to transact property in Maryland?
decimation: even beyond the mortgage game, one has to pay %5-7 of the house cost to sell
mircea_popescu: ;;google mircea popescu
gribble: Mircea Popescu (Mircea_Popescu) on Twitter: <https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu>; Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/>; MPEx - Bitcoin: <https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/MPEx>
mircea_popescu: meh.
mircea_popescu: on some searches trilema now outranks twitter, fucking finally.
mircea_popescu: shoulda threatened someone sooner.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25550 @ 0.00090444 = 23.1084 BTC [+]
decimation: maybe you can pay an SEO expert :)
mircea_popescu: if he has nice tits.
decimation: I find your remark about the lack of classics scholarship in the US interesting
decimation: I'm looking for a classical education for my kid, and the options are not great
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35257 @ 0.00090911 = 32.0525 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: not in th eus at an yrate.
decimation: do-it-yourself seems about the only option in the us
dub: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=626694.msg6982144#msg6982144 in which jimmothy admits he has less than half a btc
assbot: XBTec Announce. New ASIC manufacturer
decimation: Montaigne was forced to learn Latin before French
mircea_popescu: actually the russians prolly have the best classics depts atm
mircea_popescu: leningrad/moscow
mircea_popescu: dub lol good find
decimation: "After these first spartan years, Montaigne was brought back to the château. The objective was for Latin to become his first language. The intellectual education of Montaigne was assigned to a German tutor (a doctor named Horstanus who could not speak French). His father hired only servants who could speak Latin and they also were given strict orders to always speak to the boy in Latin. "
decimation: http://www.gradesaver.com/selections-from-the-essays-of-montaigne/wikipedia/life/
assbot: Selections from the Essays of Montaigne Wikipedia | Life | GradeSaver
mircea_popescu: anyway, the argentinio-brasileiro amorous congress, 4th edition (today) requires my presence. so i bid you all a very good hasta manana
asciilifeform: decimation: wouldn't know. never bought real live property.
asciilifeform ragged dervish, owns shirt on his back.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34000 @ 0.00090215 = 30.6731 BTC [-] {3}
asciilifeform: decimation: 'gradesaver' ?!?!
decimation: yeah I thought that link was hilarious :)
decimation: The only people who win in the property market on the East coast are the real estate agents & banks
decimation: on the other hand, the gov't subsidizes mortgages...
decimation: The US "financial system" mostly works by convincing the masses to stick their heads in the lion's mouth, on the understanding that he will decline to chomp down
decimation: or, convincing them to wear a particular master's chains, because the alternatives could be worse...
asciilifeform: https://medium.com/message/81e5f33a24e1
assbot: Everything Is Broken Medium
decimation: is that a yellow russian teletype machine in the background?
decimation: that article is amusing. The idea that the "normals" can "wake up" and do something about their situation is silly.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19550 @ 0.00090394 = 17.672 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21037 @ 0.00090005 = 18.9344 BTC [-] {3}
bloctoc: would it be possible to get snowden elected to the bitcoin foundation?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13433 @ 0.00089964 = 12.0849 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: bloctoc: Would be an improvement
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 123 @ 0.03013323 = 3.7064 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 12 @ 0.01998127 = 0.2398 BTC [+] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 13 @ 0.03013323 = 0.3917 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.04954094 = 0.2477 BTC [-] {2}
BingoBoingo: http://gizmodo.com/what-will-happen-when-all-paris-traffic-slows-to-19-mil-1580711098
assbot: What Will Happen When All Paris Traffic Slows To 19 Miles Per Hour?
kakobrekla: http://dpaste.com/3GMB291/
assbot: dpaste: 3GMB291
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.46330058 = 2.7798 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.46330044 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: kakobrekla: Just lovely
kakobrekla: o hey at least someone likes it
BingoBoingo: Well the story has a moral, Islands suck.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7400 @ 0.000898 = 6.6452 BTC [-]
thestringpuller: still up BingoBoingo lol
thestringpuller: LOL
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27200 @ 0.00089705 = 24.3998 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24450 @ 0.0008966 = 21.9219 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5000 @ 0.00089647 = 4.4824 BTC [-]
cgcardona: yo
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 10 @ 0.03574975 = 0.3575 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 73700 @ 0.00090171 = 66.456 BTC [+] {3}
xmj: moin
cgcardona: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 566.23, Best ask: 568.27, Bid-ask spread: 2.04000, Last trade: 566.43, 24 hour volume: 9539.88459486, 24 hour low: 563.45, 24 hour high: 582.1, 24 hour vwap: 572.303696715
fluffypony: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=629755.0
assbot: BMF has lost access to it's wallet
fluffypony: please can someone explain how you don't have the wallet.dat backed up
fluffypony: and this:
fluffypony: "How the remote backups which I had running via cron disappeared was never explained or commented on."
fluffypony: why would you trust your backup infrastructure to your hosting company?
fluffypony: system backups should go to a company whose sole purpose is to maintain backed up data
fluffypony: with an additional daily / weekly / monthly delta mirrored to infrastructure under your direct control
cgcardona: ouch
joecool: but it's much easier to throw hosting co under the bus
joecool: "it's arij's fault i have no backup strategy!"
fluffypony: yeah
fluffypony: seriously, wtf. even a retard can put the wallet.dat on DropBox and be 99% safer than this
fluffypony: pankkake is going to love this
joecool: However it means we can never prove a legal claim to money owed to us by HashKing, AmazingRando, Ian Bakewell, BitcoinRS, etc. << ie. i'm going to sue bitvps for potential losses on money people owe me but might never pay
fluffypony: joecool: sounds good - don't you want to IPO that claim so people can invest in potential repayments?
joecool: seems to be the thing to do
fluffypony: mircea_popescu:anyone with a reddit presence want to start a subreddit ? <- I've found /r/BitcoinSerious to be really good, just not enough subscribers to keep the discussion flowing at pace
punkman: mornign
joecool: good thing reddit is fickle, yesterday they were trying to "ban mp from the internet" after he threatened a spiritual leader
joecool: today they'll probably praise him for his insight
joecool: :)
xmj: are any of you into gaming Frequent Traveller systems?
punkman: who has time for that
joecool: xmj: i haven't really gotten into it so much, flyertalk is the place to go for that
xmj: where do I find that?
joecool: xmj: with a search engine
xmj: #flyertalk would have been too easy
joecool: yeah this is a forum, not IRC channel
joecool: punkman: even if it's not cost savings, it helps to understand the systems in order to save time if you are a frequent traveler
xmj: too bad.
xmj: what I want to achieve is getting a LuftHansa Frequent Traveller card without spending _too_ much.
joecool: (and staying in better places is nice too)
xmj: LuftHansa + SWISS all the way.
xmj: woot
xmj: joecool: thanks for the hint, that site is awesome
joecool: xmj: np, might wanna bookmark slickdeals and fatwallet too as they sometimes carry related info (FT wins though for travel specific advice)
xmj: joecool: I just want to make 34'000 M&M Miles this year
xmj: ...and get someone else to foot its bill :))
joecool: xmj: you can do pretty well gaming credit card introductions to get miles, i dunno what your credit situation is
xmj: joecool: I was thinking on getting an American Express for this exact purpose
xmj: i'm living in a country whose minimum wage is 300EUR/month, and make a few orders of magnitude. so that's going to be feasible
joecool: ah ok, def check what amex offers in your country, i know it's different regionally (i have a blue cash and anytime i'm out of the US nobody has ever seen one before)
joecool: but i don't pay annual fees, don't agree with it, they make enough off merchant fees, that's why i don't have charge :)
punkman: xmj, living in greece or passing through?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47850 @ 0.00089729 = 42.9353 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20863 @ 0.00089537 = 18.6801 BTC [-]
xmj: punkman: business trip
xmj: punkman: living in Estonia.
xmj: punkman: check xmj.me
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 12 @ 0.0195 = 0.234 BTC [-]
xmj: joecool: I've looked into AmEx pricing, it's reasonable IF I can use it for most daily purchases.
joecool: not sure about acceptance rate in estonia
fluffypony: https://twitter.com/DEVOPS_BORAT
assbot: DevOps Borat (DEVOPS_BORAT) auf Twitter
fluffypony: "For increase revenue we are introduce paywall between dev team and ops team."
fluffypony: brilliant
fluffypony: "In startup we are have immediate open for frontend Erlang engineer."
fluffypony: lol
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15250 @ 0.00089193 = 13.6019 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: !up PoUpA
mircea_popescu: fluffypony, lol just erlang ?
mircea_popescu: asm frontent!
jurov: perl.asm
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6800 @ 0.00089312 = 6.0732 BTC [+]
fluffypony: lol
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13900 @ 0.00089388 = 12.4249 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: imagine if you're hired to maintain an old codebase, and upon going through the tarball the first thing you notice is a file claled
mircea_popescu: c.py.asm
fluffypony: lol
fluffypony: .cgi
mircea_popescu: i could imagine scarier things, but not easily
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14972 @ 0.00089293 = 13.3689 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: decimation:
mircea_popescu: that article is amusing. The idea that the "normals" can "wake up" and do something about their situation is silly. << they can, i have experimentally verified this.
mircea_popescu: they do need to be women, willing to relocate and live as slaves for a few years. but those aside, yes, they can.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8428 @ 0.00088923 = 7.4944 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: "Hello. This is the letter I never expected I would have to write, primarily because I never saw this coming." lol usagi is such win
mircea_popescu: lol hashking, amazingrando, all of gigavps' friends.
mircea_popescu: xmj: i'm living in a country whose minimum wage is 300EUR/month, and make a few orders of magnitude. so that's going to be feasible << out of gaming fidelity rewards ?
mircea_popescu: "i am a free diner sugar packets baron!"
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell namworld so what's the bvps side of the usagi drama ? how did his server get shut down ?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: "all the bitcoins in it have been lost. The total estimated damage is about $10,000 in realized costs". so he held 20 btc ?
Apocalyptic: mircea_popescu, link to that usagi letter please ?
mircea_popescu: sure. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=629755.0
assbot: BMF has lost access to it's wallet
mircea_popescu: he still can't spell its
Apocalyptic: thank you
mircea_popescu: !up Anon29486307
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: maybe he means "BMF has lost access to it. Is wallet."
mircea_popescu: http://bitcoinassetsreception.wordpress.com/2014/05/28/contact-summary-18-25-may/ << o look a tthat, moiety reports.
assbot: Contact Summary 18-25 May | #Bitcoin-Assets Reception
mircea_popescu: lotta activity.
mircea_popescu: fluffypony, such correct muchly.
fluffypony: usagi == borat devops?
fluffypony: "18/05 21:33: Call from France; how to pronounce manul."
mircea_popescu: lmao
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell bitcoinpete no response from the coindesk expert huh. because yeah, that totlaly works.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: pankkake, how do i see backwards pages of the blogs assimilation ?
jurov: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=629755.0 << arij
assbot: BMF has lost access to it's wallet
ThickAsThieves: <+mircea_popescu> pankkake, how do i see backwards pages of the blogs assimilation ? <<< use a feed reader
ThickAsThieves: http://feedly.com/
assbot: feedly: your news. delivered.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves, i was just looking at your blog. if i want to go back in your post history to see if you posted anything about prev conference to link in announcement of 3rd edition
mircea_popescu: how do i do it ?
mircea_popescu: and i dun wanna use a feed reader, i was gonna use that webpage.
ThickAsThieves: there's a search icon at top right
xmj: mircea_popescu: no. IT job
mircea_popescu: but suppose i dun know what im searching for, other than,
mircea_popescu: "historically ordered list of all articles"
ThickAsThieves: the home page has all articles
ThickAsThieves: and when there's more it's paginated
mircea_popescu: mircea_popescu: forward soviet! << last words i see
mircea_popescu: does it do one of those js autloads ?
ThickAsThieves: of all posts, no
ThickAsThieves: it'd only load older posts on click to next page
ThickAsThieves: at least, that's normal wp behavior
mircea_popescu: hm somehow i don't see a next page
ThickAsThieves: because i have no more posts
ThickAsThieves: ;)
xmj: mircea_popescu: what do you do?
mircea_popescu: oh i c.
mircea_popescu: xmj, i run mpex.
ThickAsThieves: i've got like 20 post ideas saved as drafts though, so, in time
xmj: whats that, again?
ThickAsThieves: www.mpex.co
xmj: 352/355 packets received (99.2%) -240.691 min / 1962.406 avg / 3211.902 max
xmj: welcome to Athens Airport wifi.
cazalla: so I read my son books each evening, reading him a fire engine book tonight, found it amusing that the firemen rock up and start stealing anything not nailed down, not a person being rescued to be found http://imgur.com/fqmT5Kj
assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
mircea_popescu: it's the bitcoin securities exchange
Apocalyptic: they still have wifi in Athens ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 1000 @ 0.000525 = 0.525 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: cazalla, ITAMS r most important
mircea_popescu: also people are tough to draw.
xmj: ah
xmj: mircea_popescu: what software stack do you run it on?
mircea_popescu: you'll have to review the quite abundant logs / articles discussing the matter etc.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves, hey, wanna do free pr advice for a moment ?
ThickAsThieves: i can try
ThickAsThieves turns on coffee maker
mircea_popescu: so if people without a clue ask such questions and i gruf at them, i'm being an asshoe. if i answer, they figure we're now eating from each other's plate.
mircea_popescu: what wisdom can your god offer to resolve this dilemma ?
ThickAsThieves: which questions?
mircea_popescu: as above.
ThickAsThieves: i found your answer suboptimal
ThickAsThieves: as i think you do too
mircea_popescu: i do too.
ThickAsThieves: my instinct is to approach it as customer service
ThickAsThieves: not PR
mircea_popescu: yes, but i'm not either.
mircea_popescu: and this chan is neither, either.
ThickAsThieves: indeed
mircea_popescu: nor will i become either on the pressure of happy ignorance. nor should the chan.
ThickAsThieves: however, it does purport to be a resource of info
mircea_popescu: not per se.
ThickAsThieves: and if we cant tell a person what mpex is
mircea_popescu: that'd be the wiki
ThickAsThieves: i mean...
ThickAsThieves: however
jurov: xmj: http://explo.yt/category/MPEx
assbot: MPEx - serialized delusions
ThickAsThieves: the software stack,
mircea_popescu: no, this chan is only as a sidepoint an info resource
ThickAsThieves: normally when you have a perfect post to link, you do
ThickAsThieves: do you not have one for mpex's software?
mircea_popescu: it's an info source in the sense the nyse floor is an info source : for some, for the privileged.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves, not in that context, no.
ThickAsThieves: do you believe one should exist?
mircea_popescu: i currently don't. people who were around long long ago, when the year was 2012 and bitcoin was young know. i intend to maintain it as such, both in recognition of their privilege, and due to the fact that noobs really have no business knowing, or asking.
ThickAsThieves: fair enough
ThickAsThieves: so extend your belief into policy
mircea_popescu: bitch being im not even sure it's a good idea
xmj: alright
ThickAsThieves: well thatd be mine
mircea_popescu: the infinite complexity of managing revolutionary systems ;/
mircea_popescu: xmj, don't take it too bad, it really isn;t about you.
xmj: mircea_popescu: your call to maintain privacy as to what stack you use
mircea_popescu: it's not privacy.
mircea_popescu: it's opression.
xmj is an oppressed minority
mircea_popescu: aaaactually, the funny part is, you're an opressed majority.
jurov: xmj don't hold your breath, from the glitches i've seen he clearly uses perl
mircea_popescu: kinda the reason we love bitcoin : it makes opressed majorities unavoidable.
xmj: i'm a white cis alpha male. I'm the minority.
mircea_popescu: what's cis again ?
ThickAsThieves: MPEx's overall software strategy is not supplied, some info is avaiable to appropriate interlopers
xmj: hetero sexual.
jurov: opposite of trans
xmj: you know, not trans.
jurov: xmj, most trannies are hetero
mircea_popescu: cis-jordan sudden;y makes sense
xmj: trans-fats...
xmj: mircea_popescu: do you keep the OS you're running it off just as secret?
mircea_popescu: i wonder if a "do trans fats make you a fag" study could get a grant
ThickAsThieves: xmj you ar emissing the [oint a bit
mircea_popescu: xmj, i dun recall anything was ever released.
cazalla: check your bitcoin privilege! (glad i grabbed that domain today)
ThickAsThieves: mp feels you havent established ground to ask those kinds of questions
xmj: ThickAsThieves: no, I'm reframing the point. That's something else.
mircea_popescu: cazalla, which ?
cazalla: bitcoinprivilege.com
ThickAsThieves: and he's trying to sort how to be tactful saying so for the future
xmj: ThickAsThieves: Save yourself the interpretation.
cazalla: i'll prob just forward it to a porno tube
xmj: I don't think mircea_popescu needs an interpreter.
ThickAsThieves: you exhibit otherwise
ThickAsThieves: my mistake
mircea_popescu: what can an interpreter ever hurt.
xmj: If he doesn't want to satisfy my curiosity I'll eventually get bored.
mircea_popescu: haha. oh this place is littered with the free time of they who thought so too.
mircea_popescu: incidentally, the raging socialist terminology seems to be quite useful.
mircea_popescu: once you deconstruct the unexamined, forced ideas that all that stuff is somehow "bad", suddenly opression and privilege become quite meaningful.
mircea_popescu: a somwewhat similar career to "frustrated" i guess.
xmj: I know, that's why I always 'check my privilege' once I get out of bed.
mircea_popescu: i wonder how long until chavs start wearing privileged bling badges
ThickAsThieves: sounds like a decent brand idea
mircea_popescu: seems only the shortness of rappers imagination/clue that is keeping this from exploding. a guy rapping about just how privileged he is and so on would prolly kill
ThickAsThieves: Prileged Clothing
xmj: what's a chav?
ThickAsThieves: v
ThickAsThieves: ;;google chav
gribble: Chav - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chav>; Urban Dictionary: chav: <http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=chav>; chav: definition of chav in Oxford dictionary (British & World English): <http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/us/definition/english/chav>
xmj: ThickAsThieves: it's been around for ages. we call it 'tailored suit'
ThickAsThieves: ;;ud chav
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=chav | chav. Picture this a young lad about 12 years of age and 4 ½ feet high baseball cap at ninety degrees in a imitation addidas tracksuit, with trouser legs tucked ...
mircea_popescu: on that entertainment holy grail that is 20something womyn with spider webs on their vulva
mircea_popescu: xmj, uk white trash.
xmj: mircea_popescu: a rapper's target audience not being as privileged as he is, he has to convince them he came from the hood
mircea_popescu: since the uk doesn't have poor black people, and the indians actually have a culture of their own, unlike africans.
xmj: like j-lo trying to convince people she's still from the block.
mircea_popescu: that's 90s.
mircea_popescu: look at how well the contrary approach does in asia
cazalla: mircea_popescu: white privilege rap has already been doing http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gdVRlM-kSx8#t=71
assbot: Macklemore - White Privilege - YouTube
mircea_popescu: gunwhatever style it was
cazalla: done*
xmj: ahh
mircea_popescu: cazalla, oh ? so not going too well then ?
xmj: true
xmj: tho i believe that gangnam style guy was frontin'
mircea_popescu: an' struttin' ?
xmj: ;;ud strutting
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=strutting | ... strutter · Strutterball · strut that stuff · Struttin' a chip · strutting · Strutting Leo · Struttin' That Ass · Struttle · Struttling · strutton · struttstep ... strutting isn't defined.
xmj: 1595/1600 packets received (99.7%) -240.691 min / 2127.537 avg / 4237.288 max
ThickAsThieves: S&P ranked TSLA as junk
ThickAsThieves: heh
mircea_popescu: lol
fluffypony: lol
mircea_popescu: but so it is neh ?
xmj: we're moving, talk soon
ThickAsThieves: they just want cheap sharez
fluffypony: pump and dump irl?
jurov: is that irl?
fluffypony: or just fantasy
fluffypony: caught in a landslide
fluffypony: no escape from reality
jurov: inb4 "i sent the email irl"
Apocalyptic: depends if there is a nigger.txt attachement I guess
fluffypony: ;;later tell moiety can a manul do this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOyZojbYUEA
assbot: Jenga Cat - YouTube
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: im just a poor boy
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 5 @ 0.03574 = 0.1787 BTC [+]
jurov: ;;later tell nubbins` now i know what goes to b-a shirts: CHECK YOUR BITCOIN PRIVILEGE
gribble: The operation succeeded.
fluffypony: jurov: I'd pay for that!
fluffypony: ;;later tell asciilifeform http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/smartwatches.png
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: and here it is : http://trilema.com/2014/the-conference-third-edition/
assbot: The conference, third edition pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: fluffypony, you bringing blondy ?
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: definitely
mircea_popescu: jurov, how about you ? wanna check out the new world ?
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: better to spend a few days taking in the sights before or after conference?
mircea_popescu: well if you have the time, fly to istanbul on wed, derp around the town, fly to argentina fri, fly back wed or something
fluffypony: we'll have time, but will probably do a 2-3 week stint of South America
mircea_popescu: that also works.
fluffypony: I want to see the Amazon up close
fluffypony: wow interestingly enough, the cheapest business class flight from Cape Town to BA seems to be Turkish Airlines
fluffypony: so may actually end up spending a few days in Istanbul anyway
mircea_popescu: its the best connection.
mircea_popescu: i didn't idly recommend it.
fluffypony: never flown Turkish Airlines before, though - did you fly them to BA, mircea_popescu?
mircea_popescu: yes.
mircea_popescu: they're currently the best airline imo
mircea_popescu: lufthansa was this, a decade ago.
punkman: do they have shisha on the plane?
mircea_popescu: basically, in the 90s british ruled, but then their ceo reitred and lufthansa promoted an excellent guy as ceo
mircea_popescu: so then lufthansa owned the 00s.
mircea_popescu: but then THAT guy retired, and meanwhile turkish took over.
mircea_popescu: but no, no smoking on turkish plane. ridiculous huh.
fluffypony: lol
penguirker: New blog post: http://trilema.com/2014/the-conference-third-edition/
punkman: it'd be nice though, could charter a jet and stock some nargiles
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2493 @ 0.00088929 = 2.217 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: punkman, you showing btw ?
punkman: if I'm not irrelevant by March, I'd love to visit Argentina
mircea_popescu: (yes, im going to lie in wait and ambush everyone :D)
mircea_popescu: punkman, just bring some links with you, you'l be fine
mircea_popescu: fluffypony, if you get in touch with more people coming and you all agree on a time, getting an itanbul-ba chartered jet is prolly more than feasable.
mircea_popescu: get 5-6 people chipping in it's not even expensive.
fluffypony: that's not a bad idea
mircea_popescu: and if you find someone who doesn't need theirs that day...
mircea_popescu: you'll prolly come out cheaper than flying coach
mircea_popescu: o btw, if you do fly through istanbul, pay them the 20 bucks or w/e it is for priority service in airport.
mircea_popescu: makes difference.
fluffypony: ok plane can take 10-16 people
fluffypony: round trip should be around $221 110 - $282 861
mircea_popescu: ;;calc 282 / 16
gribble: 17.625
mircea_popescu: call it a meh day in vegas.
fluffypony: one of my friends is the CEO of Air-Tec, I'll ping him when I get a chance and find out if they have any jets available
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.47 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: and now the quest is on as to who'll be the first vip
fluffypony: is there a prize?
mircea_popescu: hm i guess not
Naphex: o/
mircea_popescu: Naphex, you coming btw ?
[]bot: Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "Bitcoin network difficulty > 14Bn on Bastille day" http://bitbet.us/bet/677/ Odds: 86(Y):14(N) by coin, 81(Y):19(N) by weight. Total bet: 131.11816472 BTC. Current weight: 8,996.
Naphex: where too?
Naphex: to*
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/the-conference-third-edition/
assbot: The conference, third edition pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
Naphex: yeah deff
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52900 @ 0.00088877 = 47.0159 BTC [-] {3}
Naphex: will VIP include monster parties?
mircea_popescu: well depending on your definition of monster.
ThickAsThieves: http://www.streetinsider.com/Insiders+Blog/DISH+%28DISH%29+Becomes+Largest+Company+to+Accept+Bitcoin/9533029.html
mircea_popescu: o hey tat. you coming ? :D
Naphex: :))
ThickAsThieves: probably, gonna wait for BTC to go up first though ;)
ThickAsThieves: i wanna try the wine
mircea_popescu: yeah i guess that's also a contest, who gets in the btc-cheapest.
mircea_popescu: and the wine is pretty good, bu tthe steak
mircea_popescu: oh man the steak.
mircea_popescu: easily best steaks i ever had, and im a ny old guard sort of guy
ThickAsThieves: steaks were never really a part of my life
fluffypony: I'm with TAT, I'll hold till the July-ish spike before paying
pankkake: well, they aren't made of horses for once
ThickAsThieves: i'm from a seafood town
ThickAsThieves: never acquired the taste
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves, every other place here is a sushi joint, you'll be fine
mircea_popescu: their ceviche rocks.
mircea_popescu: pankkake, you coming btw ?
pankkake: I hope I can make it, this is going to heavily depend on my personal situation, so I'm waiting
mircea_popescu: aite.
mircea_popescu: ahaha reading BingoBoingo's blog i find the us is actually planning to retire the a-10 ?!
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 13 @ 0.019675 = 0.2558 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.0975 = 0.4875 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: pity we're not more advanced, i'd like to buy them
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.04954094 = 0.2477 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24121 @ 0.00089523 = 21.5938 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 3 @ 0.034901 = 0.1047 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.46225 = 0.9245 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: "Clearly Mircea has been reading BtcAlpha and picked up some good ideas on where to invest his coin. Let's look at the risks and rewards of the fund." << mwahaha
mircea_popescu: !jd mpif
assbot: Current MPIF account balance on Just-Dice: 166.47902454 BTC; -0.21872334 BTC (-0.1312%) since last check 1d 20h 35m 41s ago.
mircea_popescu: OMG
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12400 @ 0.00089648 = 11.1164 BTC [+]
fluffypony: from the tome of #bitcoin-otc, someone is trying to build a payment gateway or something, and wants to add anti-fraud measure in
fluffypony: "[14:16:42] kamaradski: hmm as another possibility, could i for example check the IP of the wallet and crosscheck it with the computer that is makeing the sale ?"
mircea_popescu: yes. ===.
mircea_popescu: at least i guess now we know the guy has no idea what cold wallets are, and so if anyone ever feels like taking his half bitcoin...
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11050 @ 0.00089603 = 9.9011 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: http://dpaste.com/3GMB291/ << this is excellent
assbot: dpaste: 3GMB291
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0975 = 0.195 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 14 @ 0.03574 = 0.5004 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: http://www.wired.com/2014/05/dfwtbj/
assbot: This Is What Happens When You Hack and Extort the ‘Bitcoin Jesus’ | Enterprise | WIRED
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17300 @ 0.00089648 = 15.5091 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves, what, a mc donalds supervisor waits in a fire door holding a laptop bag ?
mircea_popescu: “Sir, I am sincerely sorry. I am just a middleman. I was being told what to tell you,” the hacker told Ver soon after the bounty was posted, before later asking: “Are you going to order a hitman to kill me now?”
mircea_popescu: this has SA lulz writted all over it.
mircea_popescu: i guess wired needs more experienced editors.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.46031666 = 2.7619 BTC [-] {3}
ThickAsThieves: the whole article is retarded, the headline makes it out to be something more than the random event it was
ThickAsThieves: guy gets personal account hacked, blackmail fails (maybe)
ThickAsThieves: seems it wasnt even a "bitcoin" hack of a "jesus" if the hacker only asked for 37btc
mircea_popescu: i suppose i should put 100 btc on andreas' head nao, for greater lulz.
ThickAsThieves: then reddit can IPO a mp bounty
mircea_popescu: then i can ipo a reddit bounty
mircea_popescu: MAD MAX
fluffypony: lol
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 569.0, Best ask: 569.35, Bid-ask spread: 0.35000, Last trade: 569.0, 24 hour volume: 9599.06964488, 24 hour low: 560.05, 24 hour high: 582.1, 24 hour vwap: 570.67018641
fluffypony: ThickAsThieves: they'll send people to Romania
fluffypony: it will take some time for them to realise
mircea_popescu: ;;calc 1320/570.67018641
gribble: 2.31306984566
mircea_popescu: fluffypony, maybe they off mpoe-pr instead.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 69 @ 0.00389912 = 0.269 BTC [-] {4}
fluffypony: heh heh
Apocalyptic: did she stay there btw ?
ThickAsThieves: she said she's leaving too
fluffypony: Apocalyptic: http://thewhet.net/2014/farewell-romania/
assbot: Farewell, Romania | The Whet
ThickAsThieves: romania, rode hard and put away whet
mircea_popescu: buncha american tourist/assasins derping about timisoara
mircea_popescu: that'd be a sight
Apocalyptic: ThickAsThieves, I see
Apocalyptic: so I get she didn't left with MP ?
ThickAsThieves: i think she said back to the US?
ThickAsThieves: i dont recall
ThickAsThieves: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/26s1i5/can_you_lose_a_fortune_by_mistyping_a_bitcoin/
assbot: Can you lose a fortune by mistyping a bitcoin address? (spolier: no) : Bitcoin
ThickAsThieves: fukn reddit lol
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25579 @ 0.00089262 = 22.8323 BTC [-] {2}
pankkake: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=222746.msg7009590#msg7009590 havelock innovation : zero bitcoin buyback
assbot: [BitFunder] - KENILWORTH - Real World Mining Opportunity with Bitcoins
mircea_popescu: <ThickAsThieves> romania, rode hard and put away whet << ok this was pretty good.
fluffypony: "I cant afford to call Australia as I'm in Canada."
mircea_popescu: "I cant afford to call Australia as I'm in Canada."
mircea_popescu: yea lol.
mircea_popescu: forum investor : can't call overseas. meanwhile on bitcoin assets, people are chartering jets.
mircea_popescu: such a world of privilege.
ThickAsThieves: the next post is great too
ThickAsThieves: lol
pankkake: isn't calling landlines anywhere free or almost?
ThickAsThieves: "i'm still like this;
ThickAsThieves: 30% actM
ThickAsThieves: 60%AM
ThickAsThieves: 35% labcoin
ThickAsThieves: 5% wildcards (kenilworth petamines etc.)
ThickAsThieves: i got a good feelin!"
ThickAsThieves: so many percents!
mircea_popescu: labcoin and actm ftw
ThickAsThieves: yknow, i told Ukyo Kenilworth was a scam before it even listed...
pankkake: Vexual had some insight on those real mining businesses IIRC
fluffypony: I know people who run mining operations here, I would never invest in them in a million years
fluffypony: clawback is ridiculous, something like 35 years
mircea_popescu: what's clawbaclk for the innocent ?
fluffypony: lol
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 3 @ 0.1000067 = 0.3 BTC [-] {2}
fluffypony: clawback to pay off all the money they've had to spend digging and buying equipment
mircea_popescu: so basically privilege dtranche ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 10 @ 0.0347561 = 0.3476 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=222746.msg7013727#msg7013727 << ahaha ok fluff rocks
assbot: [BitFunder] - KENILWORTH - Real World Mining Opportunity with Bitcoins
thestringpuller: BitFunder, haven't heart that name in quite some time.
thestringpuller: fluffypony tell me about the fluff
fluffypony: lol
thestringpuller: the cool thing about build a bear
thestringpuller: is you get to give the bear a little stuffed heart
mircea_popescu: we should be doing more humiliatory charitable things like this.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 6 @ 0.1000001 = 0.6 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2010/bani-pentru-piariste/ << this is me a few years ago, in the depths of the crisis, offering money to (romanian) "pr" chicks.
assbot: Bani pentru piariste pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: on the condition they take a selfie with their "pr" "diploma" and sign a statement that they've wasted their time being stupid, and other such.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 25 @ 0.04954094 = 1.2385 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 25 @ 0.0196 = 0.49 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 25 @ 0.03013323 = 0.7533 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 26 @ 0.04954094 = 1.2881 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 26 @ 0.0196 = 0.5096 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 26 @ 0.03013323 = 0.7835 BTC [-]
fluffypony: our friend in -otc discovers the WoT
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 10 @ 0.04954094 = 0.4954 BTC [-]
fluffypony: "[15:09:15] kamaradski: i will have a read on how to open a company account there"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 17 @ 0.03013323 = 0.5123 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 16 @ 0.04954094 = 0.7927 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.03013323 = 0.3013 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: http://pastebin.com/yWC8znLp << this is the core, with eng;lish version
assbot: Back when I was a girl I was stupid. I imagined anything that glitters is gold. - Pastebin.com
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.03013323 = 0.1808 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 4 @ 0.04954094 = 0.1982 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.03013323 = 0.1205 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.44214124 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: http://money.cnn.com/2014/05/29/investing/gdp-economy/index.html
assbot: The U.S. economy shrinks, but it's not a big deal - May. 29, 2014
mircea_popescu: derp title.
mircea_popescu: "our team lost every match this year. it's not a big deal"
mircea_popescu: of coursre it isn't. by now nobody gives a shit about that loser team.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.44 = 1.32 BTC [-]
fluffypony: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/26ruw6/tens_of_thousands_of_belgian_savers_see_money/
assbot: Tens of thousands of Belgian savers see money disappear from their bank. : Bitcoin
mircea_popescu: o boy.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16668 @ 0.0008893 = 14.8229 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20300 @ 0.00088808 = 18.028 BTC [-]
Apocalyptic: "People think it is ridiculous they have to pay tax on a gain they never made.
Apocalyptic: welcome to socialism" pretty much
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 900 @ 0.00088658 = 0.7979 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: retrospective taxing of tax free funds, back to 2008
mircea_popescu: ;;rate belgium -10 scammer country.
gribble: Error: User doesn't exist in the Rating or GPG databases. User must be GPG-registered to receive ratings.
mircea_popescu: you heard it here first folks : belgium doesn't exist.
Apocalyptic: <mircea_popescu> retrospective taxing of tax free funds, back to 2008 // France has done much worse
Apocalyptic: they retrospectively taxed PEA, back to something like 9 years
Apocalyptic: oh nvm, they just actually tried
Apocalyptic: didn't come through eventually
jurov: they were better without govt
Apocalyptic: they just taxed life-insurance contracts at a rate of 15,5 % for every deposit after 1997
Apocalyptic: that's pretty lulzy
mircea_popescu: life insurance is pretty much a dead racket anyway.
mircea_popescu: the secular economic incentives that drove it in the 1900-2000 period are just about gone.
mircea_popescu: "The January through March period often tends to be the slowest for growth, he noted, and this year, colder than usual weather stunted retail sales, international trade and the housing market."
mircea_popescu: how the fuck does cold weather stunt the housing market.
mircea_popescu: this is like hot weather stunting icecream and bikini sales.
Apocalyptic: that's the excuse placeholder they used for pretty much everything
mircea_popescu: but wasn't global warming supposed to solve that problem ?
Apocalyptic: heh
mircea_popescu: if cold weagther is stunting the economy...
mircea_popescu: it's like what, we're in 1860 and if it snows the horse and buggy can't get to the market so no potato sales this week ?
mircea_popescu: wtf bs nonsense is this.
mircea_popescu: cold weather increases consumption. otherwise africa'd be europe and europe africa.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 17 @ 0.0975 = 1.6575 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: but it's no fun to report "supply is exceeding demand"
mircea_popescu: the press used to be more like "the government has fucked up, which is unsurprising conjsidering the congenital retards and ordinary criminals it's made up of"
mircea_popescu: at least, that's the press i grew up with.
jurov: i'd understand retail as people don't like to go shopping when it's cold and dark outside, but housing?
mircea_popescu: what this bullshit they do in english is supposed to be i have no idea.
mircea_popescu: jurov, and why not you know ? shop got lights and ac
jurov: nah, better sit at home and watch tv
mircea_popescu: incidentally, it's supposedly winter here
mircea_popescu: 16ish degrees
mircea_popescu: everyone's wrapped up to their eyebrows, local chicks hang out indoors with coat on "cause they're cold"
mircea_popescu: i have half a mind to print my collection of babes frolicking nude in snow as building sized posters and hang them up one night
mircea_popescu: prolly prop up argentina gdp a good 1% as everyone runs to buy hot coffee and fur coats.
jurov: you see. plus if you were more southerly, with shorter days...
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SF1] 201 @ 0.00072019 = 0.1448 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 10 @ 0.0347562 = 0.3476 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SF1] 786 @ 0.0007001 = 0.5503 BTC [-] {9}
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: have you read any of AnonyMint's blog posts?
fluffypony: http://www.coolpage.com/commentary/economic/shelby/Demise%20of%20Finance,%20Rise%20of%20Knowledge.html
assbot: Demise of Finance, Rise of Knowledge
fluffypony: that one, in particular
mircea_popescu: notrly.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SF1] 1000 @ 0.00069962 = 0.6996 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: because in its purest form, knowledge can not be held in a store-of-value (a.k.a. money) and money can only represent some quantity of hard resources and manual labor.
mircea_popescu: derp.
mircea_popescu: so s.mpex is worth 0 and so on. weaksauce.
punkman: you gotta wrap it up in a patent
punkman: then it's supposedly worth something
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.431 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.43 BTC [-]
chetty: mircea_popescu: because in its purest form, knowledge can not be held in a store-of-value (a.k.a. money) and money can only represent some quantity of hard resources and manual labor.// the folly of not having a classical education
bitcoinpete: mircea_popescu: ya, hilarious radio silence from crawley and coindesk. not even a reddit thread. jeez
fluffypony: bitcoinpete: you need to threaten to kill more people
bitcoinpete: i don't think crawley is popular enough that people even care
bitcoinpete: i coulda threatened him to till the cows came home
bitcoinpete: and the result woulda been the same
bitcoinpete: i dug into him pretty well, i thought
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11800 @ 0.00089116 = 10.5157 BTC [+] {2}
bitcoinpete: decimation: Montaigne was forced to learn Latin before French << this is a neat story. makes one want to explore the feasibility of this for bp jr...
bitcoinpete: joecool: today [reddit]'ll probably praise [mp] for his insight << too much humble pie for the socialist brain
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21700 @ 0.00089386 = 19.3968 BTC [+]
penguirker: New blog post: http://devilsadvocate.biz/crabs-in-the-bucket/
thestringpuller: bitcoinpete: you still there?
bitcoinpete: yup
chetty: cool about the crab pot, I was trying to describe that a couple days ago and people didn't believe me about the crabs :)
asciilifeform: fluffypony: re: smart watches comic: believe or not, i use a (circa 1970s) mechanical watch.
thestringpuller: my grandpa left my dad a watch like that
thestringpuller: i really want a mechanical watch, something about not needing electricity to power a clock...
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: pr diploma << wtf!?
thestringpuller: especially after learning the history of pendulum clocks
thestringpuller: (and how difficult it was to tell time on the sea)
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: this particular one self-winds when moved around; these used to be common.
thestringpuller: it uses your body's motion to wind?
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: right
thestringpuller: :D that's cool tho
asciilifeform: this kind of watch used to be sold everywhere.
asciilifeform: pretty good mechanical quality - after 35 years it needed a new spring and some oil; runs today.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 36 @ 0.0197999 = 0.7128 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 9 @ 0.03013323 = 0.2712 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 9 @ 0.04954094 = 0.4459 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: turns out it can still be found, for about 100 usd.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: buenos aires? no patagonian yurts? no oncifelis?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7600 @ 0.00088833 = 6.7513 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37000 @ 0.00088833 = 32.8682 BTC [-]
xmj: gentlemen
xmj: The WiFi in FRA is even worse than in ATH.
xmj: 271/287 packets received (94.4%) 166.054 min / 4054.517 avg / 26091.449 max
chetty: asciilifeform, I think thats conf #4
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 9 @ 0.03013323 = 0.2712 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 9 @ 0.0197999 = 0.1782 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 9 @ 0.04954094 = 0.4459 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: chetty: thought #4 was in kazakhstan, with manuls.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 117 @ 0.00411999 = 0.482 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.03013323 = 0.1205 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 15 @ 0.04954094 = 0.7431 BTC [-] {2}
chetty: asciilifeform, lol, well by #4 maybe its on mars
asciilifeform: http://boingboing.net/2014/05/27/peter-wattss-the-scorched-ea.html
assbot: Peter Watts's The Scorched Earth Society: A Suicide Bomber's Guide to Online Privacy - Boing Boing
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 9 @ 0.03013324 = 0.2712 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 51 @ 0.00412 = 0.2101 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: in other news:
asciilifeform: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Truecrypt-end
assbot: User contributions for Truecrypt-end - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 21 @ 0.0197899 = 0.4156 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 9 @ 0.0301004 = 0.2709 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 9 @ 0.04954094 = 0.4459 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9138 @ 0.00088601 = 8.0964 BTC [-]
mike_c: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 303181 | Current Difficulty: 1.0455720138484837E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 304415 | Next Difficulty In: 1234 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 2 days, 0 hours, 10 minutes, and 30 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 10944979969.1 | Estimated Percent Change: 4.67935
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 21 @ 0.0301004 = 0.6321 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 9 @ 0.0197899 = 0.1781 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 9 @ 0.04954094 = 0.4459 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 9 @ 0.03008924 = 0.2708 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 9 @ 0.0197899 = 0.1781 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 9 @ 0.04954094 = 0.4459 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.03 = 0.15 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.04954094 = 0.2477 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.0975 = 0.2925 BTC [+]
bitcoinpete: if the bitbet bot only posts >1 btc bets, assbot should only post >1 btc trades
bitcoinpete: enough of the havelol spam
bitcoinpete: heya bitstein
bitcoinpete: bitstein: !up
bitcoinpete: !up bitstein
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21606 @ 0.00088596 = 19.1421 BTC [-]
mike_c: hm. this is bitcoin-assets, not gamblers anonymous :)
mike_c: trades are a bit more important than bets.
bitcoinpete: mike_c: are trades on havelock different than bets now?
Mats_cd03: havelock sucks why does it matter
bitcoinpete: ;;rate bitstein 1 new blood
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user bitstein has been recorded.
mike_c: trades on everything are no different than bets. but still.
bitstein: Howdy
bitcoinpete: mike_c: right, so if we're cutting down spam, let's cut it down
bitcoinpete: bitstein: what's new?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 6 @ 0.04954094 = 0.2972 BTC [-]
bitstein: Just enjoying exquisite Bitcoin fan art: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/26sdzr/andreas_m_antonopoulos_part_of_my_new_series_of/
assbot: "Andreas M Antonopoulos," part of my new series of art work. : Bitcoin
bitcoinpete: lol that's some creepy shit
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.0197899 = 0.1187 BTC [-]
bitcoinpete: if mp comes back to twitter, that's his new background
bitstein: The zeros look like sperm. It's unsettling.
bitcoinpete: http://i.imgur.com/7zg1g9E.jpg
bitcoinpete: and his eyes… the green
bitcoinpete: https://twitter.com/pdacosta/status/472031173284073472
assbot: Recovery! U.S. economy shrank 1% in fourth quarter, revised data show. http://t.co/QRqS3qofZl http://t.co/g8hAf0zLvn
bitcoinpete: how can the us not even fudge data anymore
bitcoinpete: if piketty can do it...
bitcoinpete: http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/society/thomas-pikettys-capital-hailed-as-an-unread-classic-2014052987018
assbot: Thomas Piketty’s Capital hailed as an unread classic
bitstein: “Put it next to my Malcolm Gladwells, The God Delusion and that Steve Jobs biography and bang, I’m a fucking polymath."
fluffypony: ok so
fluffypony: we have a Bitcoin Jesus
fluffypony: and Andreas is the Bitcoin God?
fluffypony: this is not a very fun cult, I'm already bored with its self-appointed leadership
bitcoinpete: fluffypony: then let's have a thai-stylez coup!
jurov: fluffypony: no place for satoshi in the pantheon?
fluffypony: jurov: apparently not
fluffypony: bitcoinpete: I'll chief weapon is surprise...
chetty: satoshi would probably be banned
fluffypony: chetty: he'd have to IPO his way in
thestringpuller: ;;lastlog thestringpuller 5
gribble: Error: "lastlog" is not a valid command.
thestringpuller: UGH
Mats_cd03: lol
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3000 @ 0.00088601 = 2.658 BTC [+]
moiety: i broke my irc client! i don't even remember how this one works properly
moiety: also, that's an amazing cat fluffypony!! :o I'll have to train marvin to play poker or monopoly to compete
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 2.19062341 BTC to 9`109 shares, 24049 satoshi per share
chetty: http://www.coindesk.com/argentine-central-bank-issues-warning-burgeoning-bitcoin-ecosystem/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+CoinDesk+%28CoinDesk+-+The+Voice+of+Digital+Currency%29
assbot: Argentina's Central Bank Issues Warning to Burgeoning Bitcoin Ecosystem
chetty: He explained that in countries like Argentina, Venezuela and Nicaragua, with their closed economies and strict financial controls: “Those are the markets where bitcoin volatility actually looks really good!”
benkay: man i pay no attention to irc for a day and MOUNTAINS of text emerge
artifexd: I'm 3 days behind and feel the exact same thing.
benkay: i was out for dinner with a DoD guy last night and marvelling at what darpa flushes down the drain
benkay: "here kid! 100M! 3 years! here's your contact at boeing, your contact at raytheon, and a list of smarty pants software folk we like into whose maw you should flush those fresh greenbacks!"
benkay: don't talk to me about sterilization, ben.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 49 @ 0.003923 = 0.1922 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 16 @ 0.42200002 = 6.752 BTC [-] {3}
benkay: i'm game for a chartered plane from istanbul.
fluffypony: ok well Paramount Business Jets are putting together a more comprehensive quote
benkay: <mircea_popescu> pity we're not more advanced, i'd like to buy them // two years? three?
fluffypony: on a Gulfstream G-IV or similar
benkay: <mircea_popescu> ... assassins // nice
fluffypony: they reckon that 12-14 people is optimal
benkay: <pankkake> Vexual had some insight on those real mining businesses IIRC // lolwut
xmj: gentlemen.
benkay: morning sir
xmj: benkay: can I borrow your bullshit detector for a second?
benkay: har well the lease on that thing ain't going to pay itself
benkay: but we can settle up later - hit me
xmj: benkay: read through http://xmj.me/#hireme
assbot: Johannes Meixner | Introduction
xmj: i've essentially cut out all the details formerly listed and replaced it with nebulous blaaa
benkay: all i really want to see are code samples
xmj: yeah, not what I care about
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 24 @ 0.02915904 = 0.6998 BTC [-] {8}
benkay: but it looks fine man
xmj: I am interested in determining if it's bullshit and nebulous enough
benkay: i'd strip out rules for life
xmj: not gonna happen
pankkake: xmj: you replaced your 4K GPG key by a 2K one?!
asciilifeform: rip 'darkcoin' - http://www.coindesk.com/darkcoin-price-turmoil-network-issues-emergency-fork
assbot: Darkcoin Price in Turmoil Following Emergency Fork, Network Issues
benkay: not really triggering my bullshit radar
benkay: but i'm biased, you've corrupted my thinger
xmj: pankkake: I replaced a broken 4K key which I couldn't use to encrypt things, yes.
xmj: benkay: anchoring is easy
fluffypony: asciilifeform: the dev is an idiot, tho
xmj: pankkake: 2K was recommended by a *very* paranoid person as "good enough"
benkay: "for today"
xmj: pankkake: http://pgp.mit.edu/pks/lookup?op=vindex&search=0x496A9D706250D402 My other day.
assbot: Search results for '0x496a9d706250d402'
xmj: day/key
pankkake: yes, it probably doesn't matter, but the replacement was surprising
xmj: benkay: I mostly use it to make others believe a mail was sent by me.
xmj: believe/trust
xmj: and for this purpose.. 2K is "good enough"
benkay: okay enloggified
benkay: and just in time for client calls
benkay: thestringpuller: http://devilsadvocate.biz/crabs-in-the-bucket/ // ThickAsThieves needs help with slang
assbot: Crabs in the Bucket
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.42200004 = 4.22 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 9 @ 0.42121071 = 3.7909 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.421 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29200 @ 0.00088696 = 25.8992 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.42200129 BTC [+]
pankkake: http://www.google.com/diversity/
assbot: Diversity Google
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.4211 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: I guess I'm going to try to get in on this waiting game of go to the conference for the BTC cheapest. Maybe I'll be able to set aside a couple months and hoof it there.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: pan-american highway ?
asciilifeform: complete with jungle path
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I haven't checked paths yet. Was just planning on waking south and improving my spanish.
BingoBoingo: Probably load up on a bunch of malarone
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.029 = 0.145 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: Sorry, you came on just at the end of my being awake.
jurov: lol andreas schildbach is just leaking "Mycelium Entropy" rng for printing paper wallets
jurov: gizmo
jurov: most likely satanic
BingoBoingo: lol
BingoBoingo: jurov: Satoshi probably fits into the trinity as Casper the Holy ghost.
asciilifeform: link?
jurov: no link yet
asciilifeform: let's guess:
asciilifeform: atmel atsha204.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-02-2014#487950 ☝︎
assbot: #bitcoin-assets log
jurov: correction: it's andreas petersson not schildbach
jurov: curent slide "Using TOR for DDoS protection"
asciilifeform: lol!
jurov: mycelium wants to hide their proprietary server behind tor as ddos mitigation? good luck
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.421 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.0975 = 0.975 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: Usagi makes Dr foreskin ssound like a genius https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=629755.msg7017133#msg7017133
assbot: BMF has lost access to it's wallet
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19962 @ 0.00088833 = 17.7328 BTC [+]
pankkake: most of the forum does
pankkake: I really hate usagi's attitude of never blaming itself
pankkake: and wtf at that backup system
BingoBoingo: Right, and his building a webwallet fetish. Maybe Tradefortress was just Usagi having a couple of lucid months?
fluffypony: pankkake: right? because every single Bitcoin n00b post on Bitcointalk and Reddit advocates multiple backups of wallet.dat, how does he now know this?
pankkake: it's just the basics of backups. keep it offsite and preferrably offline. he had neither
pankkake: it's understandable to lose your own stuff, but when you manage others money, you should take every precaution
BingoBoingo: And once again there's the whole why was the wallet on a fucking server problem.
Apocalyptic: is this guy even in the WoT ?
Apocalyptic: ;;gettrust usagi
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user Apocalyptic to user usagi: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 3 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=Apocalyptic&dest=usagi | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=usagi | Rated since: Mon Jun 18 12:33:55 2012
Apocalyptic: ;;rate usagi -2 shouldn't handle other's people money
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of -2 for user usagi has been recorded.
Apocalyptic: ;;rate usagi -2 shouldn't handle other people's money
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating for user usagi has changed from -2 to -2.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22700 @ 0.00089417 = 20.2977 BTC [+] {2}
kakobrekla: asciilifeform every played with cadr emulator? i keep crashing the thing.
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: yes. and it's very crashy.
kakobrekla: ever*
kakobrekla: aha
kakobrekla: ok so its not me
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: keep in mind that CADR lacks 80% of the good stuff (vs. smbx version)
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: at one point, i wanted to build something modern based on the (recently) bsd-licensed cadr - but quickly learned that it is a fool's errand
kakobrekla: why?
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: the system internals turned out to be an obscene morass of hacks, partly from being the product of drunken undergrads, but mainly because the machine itself was a very baroque edifice (a mountain of hand-wired ttl, with all the engineering compromises one might expect from such a thing)
fluffypony: ok had a rant at usagi
fluffypony: I feel better now
pankkake: I refuse to post in self moderated threads
kakobrekla: asciilifeform you mean the code that the found on the tapes or something else
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: main discomfort is the very narrow bus (32 bit, incl. type tags)
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: the code is intimately tied to the hardware (published recently as hand-drawn schematics, then converted to verilog by a mr. brad parker)
Apocalyptic: fluffypony, I highly suspect your post won't last long
fluffypony: Apocalyptic: probably
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: parker wrote the cadr emu.
kakobrekla: yes, i see.
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: he also has an emu for texas instruments lisp machine (one of the handful of firms who licensed the original cadr)
mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic, you coming btw ? did i ask you ?
Apocalyptic: mircea, you didn't, not sure yet
kakobrekla: asciilifeform does it work any better or is it not public
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: it was on his site, last i checked. sorta works.
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 567.45, Best ask: 569.0, Bid-ask spread: 1.55000, Last trade: 567.45, 24 hour volume: 8788.36962058, 24 hour low: 560.05, 24 hour high: 582.1, 24 hour vwap: 570.384690245
mircea_popescu: ;;calc 1320/570.384690245
gribble: 2.31422761265
BingoBoingo: http://developers.slashdot.org/story/14/05/29/1530254/openssl-to-undergo-security-audit-gets-cash-for-2-developers
assbot: OpenSSL To Undergo Security Audit, Gets Cash For 2 Developers - Slashdot
mircea_popescu: as if.
mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic, well, ba is pretty kick ass, so try :D
jurov: asciilifeform yes he shown it without dover, it's the atmel
Apocalyptic: hehe, no doubt it is :)
jurov: *cover
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25841 @ 0.00088945 = 22.9843 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: jurov: how'd i guess.
asciilifeform: jurov: death by laziness.
asciilifeform: as if it took actual thinking to build a simple analogue rng.
asciilifeform: i really can't fathom the purpose of buying a mystery meat hardware rng. if you're willing to eat mystery meat, why not use the vlsi turd found in current cpu? ☟︎
kakobrekla: http://digital-forensics.sans.org/summit-archives/2010/18-lord-cryptanalysis.pdf (slide 23)
asciilifeform: why buy a dongle.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, you coming to ba next year btw ?
mircea_popescu: and kakobrekla you should see the brazilians man.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: aye. unless i've gone broke & starved by then.
benkay: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 567.9, Best ask: 568.82, Bid-ask spread: 0.92000, Last trade: 567.9, 24 hour volume: 8783.17094660, 24 hour low: 560.05, 24 hour high: 582.1, 24 hour vwap: 570.381638655
jurov: what about brazilian men?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i'll post a pgp turdlet as comment, soon as i'm done destroying some battery holders here (mechanical strength test)
mircea_popescu: jurov, actually i saw some pretty guys in the street
mircea_popescu: which is very rare for me
kakobrekla changes his title to Somali Faggot
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, splendeed
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 131 @ 0.00200609 = 0.2628 BTC [-] {5}
BingoBoingo: http://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/29/business/eli-lilly-takes-step-toward-making-cialis-an-over-the-counter-drug.html?ref=business&_r=0
assbot: Log In - The New York Times
mircea_popescu: Sherlockcoin
mircea_popescu: this, believe it or not, exists.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 13 @ 0.029 = 0.377 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: elementary!
chetty: <jurov> what about brazilian men?// men are as rare here as anywhere else in the world
jurov: lolk
mircea_popescu: bitcoinpete: i don't think crawley is popular enough that people even care << i had no idea the guy existed before you wrote.
mircea_popescu: "Battle rapping is a somewhat popular hip-hop subculture in the US and Canada, but mostly unrepresented in North Florida." << til nf is not in the us o rcanada
mircea_popescu: mexico ftw!
princessnell: howdy bitstein
bitstein: hey
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: pr diploma << wtf!? << they have this in ro.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: on the wash. d.c. trains, there are now spammy ads for all kinds of exotic diploma - in 'homeland seekoority!' even.
asciilifeform: but that's all post-collapse.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: buenos aires? no patagonian yurts? no oncifelis? << do you want internet o sin internet.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: afaik iridium works fine down there
fluffypony: http://np.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/26snkg/buttcoiner_paints_a_graven_image_of_andreas/
assbot: Buttcoiner paints a graven image of Andreas - possible breach of the Buttcoin commandments : Buttcoin
mircea_popescu: xmj, world's best is esl nonsense. make it world's foremost
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I haven't checked paths yet. Was just planning on waking south and improving my spanish. << i think if you start now you coul dprolly hike to buenos aires
thestringpuller: No wife BingoBoingo ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 97 @ 0.00417 = 0.4045 BTC [+]
benkay: ;;gettrust bitstein
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask bitstein!48b66859@gateway/web/freenode/ip. Trust relationship from user benkay to user bitstein: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=bitstein | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=bitstein | Rated since: Thu May 29 11:37:42 2014
asciilifeform: last i recall, path from us to ar goes through at least one live fire zone
asciilifeform: so, promised to be an exciting hike.
asciilifeform: buy kalash on the way, sell prior to checkpoint?
chetty: saw a guy here recently that came on a motorcycle from Alaska
asciilifeform: chetty: a certain mr. kevin sanders, as i recall
asciilifeform: guinness recordsman
diametric: asciilifeform: discussing traveling to AR?
asciilifeform: diametric: BingoBoingo confessed an interest in going by land.
asciilifeform: diametric: from usa.
diametric: how american does he look. I'm very american looking and sounding. I'm not sure I'd survive such a trip.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo is, if i recall, american
asciilifeform: lives somewhere in the 'martian wasteland' central part of country.
chetty: http://moto-mikey.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/CH_11Feb14_003.jpg
asciilifeform: chetty: if i recall, there is a gap in the road, somewhere in central america, that cannot be crossed by ordinary 4-wheeled motor
asciilifeform: and that the mud stretches of the road are only passable in dry season.
chetty: yeah the Darien Gap (Panama to Colombia)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22750 @ 0.00088732 = 20.1865 BTC [-]
chetty: this guy took a boat for that
asciilifeform still seems to be permitted on airplanes. but remembers road, for the 'dark future of hello kitty.'
asciilifeform: http://www.darkeye.net/~fredrik/fun/more/hk40k.jpg
asciilifeform: i'd bet that, paradoxically, riding motorbike is safer in the darien gap than on american streets.
asciilifeform: (the machines are sometimes called 'donorcycles' here. drivers routinely end up crunching under oncoming garbage trucks, etc.)
asciilifeform: and how did the idea come about that venturing abroad is a suicidally courageous thing to do for americans ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49400 @ 0.00088735 = 43.8351 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: last i checked, even the poorest piss-ant city in the world is full of u.s. folks, taking pictures, and much of the time their greatest worry is pick-pocket - and mosquito.
punkman: https://scontent-b-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/t1.0-9/10325209_10152428280613948_5188819898633255264_n.jpg
BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: Nah
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I am actually thinking I might be able to depart as late as January if I concede to taking the occasional bus.
BingoBoingo: diametric: I tend to survive on the strength of my beard
chetty: public transport is great: http://antiguaguatemala.unwireme.com/chicken-bus-guatemala/
assbot: Riding the Chicken Bus: Public Transportation in Guatemala
nubbins`: ;;later tell jurov nevermind your privilege, check your cold wallet ;D
gribble: The operation succeeded.
nubbins`: also: hi
BingoBoingo: Now nubbins` is a person I could see having issues making the overland trip, living in the continent's cold storage as he does.
nubbins`: i live on an island, my options for overland trips are quite limited
nubbins`: besides, the Send An Artist To The Conference Fund currently sits at 0 BTC
nubbins`: which is the bigger problem
nubbins`: (and i'll have you know it's a balmy 5C today)
BingoBoingo: Fuku Google maps, can't calculate directions between St Louis and Buenos Aires.
thestringpuller: ;;later tell benkay I think John C understood trap.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
thestringpuller: aka ThickAsThieves
diametric: does it have you canoeing doing the Mississippi river
diametric: down*
BingoBoingo: E tu, bing.
BingoBoingo: diametric: They refuse to calculate the trip.
BingoBoingo: It's like Google and Bing want to keep people here.
BingoBoingo: http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/north-koreans-allowed-google-maps-3619937
assbot: North Koreans allowed Google Maps for first time - to look up directions to concentration camp - Mirror Online
BingoBoingo: Google apparently only takes people further from freedom
fluffypony: nubbins`: we have a phrase for the b-a t-shirts
fluffypony: "Check your Bitcoin privilege", I believe it was
asciilifeform: nork camp is self-service now?
benkay: i'm not wearing a white t with black letters on it
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Appears so.
BingoBoingo: Then again so is US "Disney Reprogramming Camp"
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: afaik that one's still voluntary.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: But for how much longer?
asciilifeform waits for black buswagen to disneyland
asciilifeform: 'mouseschwitz' (allegedly, actual name used by employees off the record)
BingoBoingo: High School Classmate once did "Summer Work Program" there, was never the same again.
benkay: mausenwagen
asciilifeform: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/3a/Art_Spiegelman_-_Maus_(1972)_page_1_panel_3.png
benkay: quite the book
BingoBoingo: http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/jurisprudence/2014/05/douglas_laycock_gets_smeared_lgbtq_groups_attack_on_the_university_of_virginia.html
assbot: Douglas Laycock gets smeared: LGBTQ groups’ attack on the University of Virginia law professor has a chilling effect.
nubbins`: benkay who wants to wear a white tee, anyway
nubbins`: now a black tee with white letters, on the other hand..
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: People in warmer climates tend to develop aversions to black tees during the summer months.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15750 @ 0.00089456 = 14.0893 BTC [+] {2}
mike_c: BingoBoingo: colombia is the problem.
BingoBoingo: mike_c: Columbia sounds fun.
BingoBoingo: Texas is probably the problem.
mike_c: it'll give you directions through panama, and then from ecuador to BA
mike_c: but google doesn't do colombia
BingoBoingo: Ah
mike_c: Looks like 7500 miles plus whatever it takes to get through colombia. you better leave now!
nubbins`: i've been to colombia
nubbins`: fun fact, you can't travel overland to south america
nubbins`: the darien gap between panama and colombia is generally considered impassable
nubbins`: you can get a boat from panama to a town in colombia called Turbo, but even that is pretty sketchy
BingoBoingo: http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/medical_examiner/2014/05/amazon_illegal_drugs_muscle_relaxants_steroids_prescription_drugs_delivered.html
assbot: Amazon illegal drugs: Muscle relaxants, steroids, prescription drugs delivered to your door.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: same idea as the famous 'inca gold' tea of the '80s.
BingoBoingo: I guess I'll be taking some buses
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: or the root easter eggs in apple's ios turdware
asciilifeform: that is, works, until the peanut gallery catches on, someone rats it out.
asciilifeform: in a sane world, the rat would be found hanging from an overpass, every time.
asciilifeform: but no - the morons love to be 'protected' (from self)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16159 @ 0.0008868 = 14.3298 BTC [-] {2}
BingoBoingo: This Darien gap I sounding like the one part of the trip at least that I might want to try committing to crossing on foot.
BingoBoingo: (loaded up with substantial amounts of malarone and ivermectin of course)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8941 @ 0.00088555 = 7.9177 BTC [-]
nubbins`: oh, speaking of morons
nubbins`: http://www.cbc.ca/whitecoat/2014/05/26/time-for-a-national-vaccine-registry/
assbot: Time For a National Vaccine Registry | White Coat, Black Art with Dr. Brian Goldman | CBC Radio
jurov: peter surda seriously considers reporting his cryptostocks trades and dividends to autrian tax authority
jurov: my brain melted
jurov: those austrians....
asciilifeform: volunteer gasenwagen. is it free if it takes > 1/2 hour, like pizza in the old days?
mircea_popescu: diametric: how american does he look. I'm very american looking and sounding. I'm not sure I'd survive such a trip. << on the positive side, if you do survive it, you'd be looking normal.
mircea_popescu: jurov, well, he;s a theoretical economist like right ?
mircea_popescu: so let him report five bt cworth of trades
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: at least one fellow i know thought that going to timis was a daring thing
asciilifeform: as if polar expedition
mircea_popescu: so you're an adventursome fellow now.
chetty: "how american does he look.", its not the look its the smell that gives you away as american
asciilifeform: obligatory: http://www.antarctic-circle.org/Shackadvert2.jpg
mircea_popescu: nubbins`: besides, the Send An Artist To The Conference Fund currently sits at 0 BTC << now this is unfair.
asciilifeform: chetty: i thought it was the 'sprechen sie englisch'
chetty: well after a couple years out of us I could tell americans by smell
nubbins`: mircea_popescu tell me about it ;(
nubbins`: TANJ
mircea_popescu: some guy's name seriously is... laycock ?
nubbins`: TANCSSOP, too
asciilifeform: chetty: soap ?
nubbins`: (there ain't no courtroom-style sketches of participants)
kakobrekla: not that soap is like pussy.
nubbins`: slippery and with occasional stray hairs stuck to it?
mircea_popescu: o gawd
BingoBoingo: Darien Gap keeps sounding more and more funwww.justiciaypazcolombia.com/Se-intensifican-operaciones.html
chetty: asciilifeform, nope its from the high chemical content of the food, you can smell the preservatives most americans eat all the time
mike_c: plus we shower more than once a week
mircea_popescu: "how to seem american : eat your deodorant"
asciilifeform: chetty: i was recently told that many folks over here no longer rot when dead - like saints were once said to.
asciilifeform: (preservatives)
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: http://www.ihavebitcoins.com/featured/argentine-bitcoiners-brush-central-bank-warning/
assbot: Argentine Bitcoiners brush off Central Bank warning - I Have Bitcoins
chetty: jajajajajajaj
fluffypony: so you arrive
fluffypony: and there's a central bank warning about Bitcoin
mircea_popescu: a well.
asciilifeform: mentions a mr casares
mircea_popescu: lets get twitter to ban bcda
fluffypony: lol
mircea_popescu: i guess usagi is the finest example that mere age in the space counts for nothing,
mircea_popescu: he was being loled at by mpoe-pr and deprived FOR EXACTLY THE SAME REASONS 3 years ago
mircea_popescu: "*shrug* Thanks for your opinion, but you don't know what you are talking about. Try designing a web wallet sometime. You need to keep what happened here in perspective. You are flying off the handle at me because someone spilled coffee on a raid "
mircea_popescu: this guy should be on #bitcoin-dev
asciilifeform: somebody still uses webwallets !?!?11
Apocalyptic: asciilifeform, he builds them !
mircea_popescu: that's a summary of 80% or so of what the power rangers have to say
BingoBoingo: RAID is not a backup or data protection strategy
mircea_popescu: fud slander.
mike_c: how would he know it was coffee unless he did the spilling! get your broomsticks.
asciilifeform: re: webwallets, obligatory:
asciilifeform: 'If the deer comes out of the forest and walks up to the hunter, it is not proper hunting, and this is not proper con artistry or grift or embezzlement or any other term we use to describe proper works of evil. If the victim, at the sight of the economic predator, goes into doggie submission, we must stop discussing the phenomenon in terms of conflict and consider whether what we are observing might be some stra
asciilifeform: nge instance of symbiosis.'
asciilifeform: (orlov)
mircea_popescu: mike_c, has it.
asciilifeform remembers to stuff a new drive in raid rail
mircea_popescu: raid can actually be backup if you want it to
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: it isn't a backup or whatever strategy, it's a 'you can't buy disks that aren't garbage for years now' strategy.
asciilifeform: essentially everyone i know who gives a damn about retaining whatever bits on his workstation has some form of raid
BingoBoingo: I'm a pretty big fan of just a bunch of disks
BingoBoingo: Varying capacities, models, and manufacturers.
BingoBoingo: The stuff that makes most RAID setups complain.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: never heard so much as a squeak of complaint out of my old '3ware'
fluffypony: but seriously, it's a 100kb file
fluffypony: how hard is it to backup
BingoBoingo: Just the summer after highschool working in a data recovery shop back in the early 0's turned me off of the raid concept
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5055 @ 0.00088555 = 4.4765 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: it isn't a backup mechanism - one uses raid to keep working when disk croaks, without losing day
mircea_popescu: fluffypony, real men wallets are > 10mb
joecool: BingoBoingo: mixed batches work better in the long run, i had a batch of 4 WD drives from the same lot, 100% failure rate in about a year
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: ok so he'd need to split it into a bunch of 1.44mb ZIP files
mircea_popescu: mixed batches same model is the way to go ya. and platter not ssd
asciilifeform: joecool: samsung 'spinpoint' is good for 2-3 yrs. easy. sadly, no longer made.
asciilifeform: (of continous spin time)
joecool: then again i also like mdraid over most hw raid
BingoBoingo: (Atm my storage longevity strategy in the portable involves an SSD with substantial unallocated space for firmware to fall over into
joecool: so it's very tolerant of what you throw at it
BingoBoingo: For less portable things I just sync directories across disks
joecool: BingoBoingo: do you actually set up the reserved space with hdparm or just leave free space?
asciilifeform: considering that a gentoo box can take a week to provision, i rather like raid.
BingoBoingo: joecool: I generally just leave freespace and hope for the best.
joecool: same, wasn't aware you could tell the firmware to reserve space until recently
mircea_popescu: it shouldnt be relied on
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the most annoying thing about ssd isn't even the limited burn cycles, but the abrupt and catastrophic failure of controller.
mircea_popescu: better drives use it, but you never know
joecool: asciilifeform: well HD's can have that issue too, just not super common
asciilifeform: i suppose folks with infinite money now use mirrored ssd setups.
joecool: logic board used to toast on certain older models, then you needed an exact donor and cross fingers to recover
asciilifeform: joecool: this no longer works on current disks (controller firmware stores calibration parameters unique to the platters.)
joecool: but yeah sure, raid is cheap insurance, much cheaper than data recovery
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: That is the big concern, but... It's the portable so only space for one internal disk.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: portable ought to be considered expendable, anyway.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: It is. It doesn't get the good secrets.
asciilifeform envisions portable ssd with zap wire
joecool: the good stuff i keep offline or on other devices (ie. my pgp keys are on smartcard), media i keep on my server and access it wherever with sshfs
joecool: never saw the need to have a TB of space in a laptop
BingoBoingo might need to get a still more expendable portable for next year when crossing the Darien and evading FARC
asciilifeform: laptop with 'grenade' pin probably crossed the mind of everyone who read the dpr/ulbricht papers.
BingoBoingo: Or thermite bag with sparking device.
joecool: i was just going to say that
asciilifeform: no time to stuff in bag, in the field.
joecool: asciilifeform: you pack the thermite inside and have a way to trigger ignition?
joecool: don't need much
asciilifeform: joecool: in my experiments, plain old magnesium strip will do - so long as it's attached to an exposed die.
asciilifeform: joecool: if you know basic glass blowing, you can package it in a neat little bulb - a la the old-style camera flash cartridges.
BingoBoingo: Oh, I was thinking bag of thermite inside laptop opposite logic board and storage. Kensington lock slot repurosed for inserting a sparking striker which is then turned like a key
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36000 @ 0.0008852 = 31.8672 BTC [-] {2}
asciilifeform: last thing you want, in a false alarm, to set your desk on fire
BingoBoingo: Wait, does noone else have asbestos pad protecting their desk?
asciilifeform: laptop might even be... on your lap - when fired.
asciilifeform: for stationary setups, the traditional asbestos safe works fine.
mike_c: probably tough to get it through security as well
jurov: why not go full way with nuclear device?
jurov: mutually assured destruction ftw
asciilifeform: jurov: the motorcycle fellow in stephenson's 'snow crash', yes
BingoBoingo: jurov: nuclear device emits on the spectrum, can be located. Aluminum and rust not so much.
asciilifeform: http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m1m6gbN8N71qk01v6o1_500.png
asciilifeform: ^ camera bulb mentioned earlier
asciilifeform: (you don't want visible pyrotechnics, smoke, if captured alive. and if you aren't keen on surviving being captured alive, invest in cyanide tooth, not thermite)
kakobrekla: but the you dont get too see the view from gasenwagon
kakobrekla: then
asciilifeform: there's also opsec value in misleading the enemy into thinking he's captured an intact device.
BingoBoingo: Spz. unfortunately timed battery fire?
BingoBoingo: Mr. Officer you shoudn't have startled the laptop like that.
asciilifeform: folks captured with a burning laptop are liable to get rectothermed on the spot
asciilifeform: (naturally depends on enemy - your mileage may vary)
joecool: buy a sony, less questions asked
BingoBoingo: http://www.gomerblog.com/2013/06/361/
assbot: Thousands of Paranoid Schizophrenics Released from Mental Hospitals | Medical Satire - GomerBlog
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 14 @ 0.029 = 0.406 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: http://www.gomerblog.com/2014/05/rehab/
fluffypony: http://i.imgur.com/q8wbvDT.jpg
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13900 @ 0.00088481 = 12.2989 BTC [-] {2}
nubbins`: heh.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20300 @ 0.0008848 = 17.9614 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: so the story with tc is now confirmed fucked?
mike_c: tc?
kakobrekla: truecrypt
kakobrekla: i mean falsecrypt
mike_c: ah. it's pathetic, but tc == techcrunch to my brain. of course, it has been confirmed fucked for a long time.
kakobrekla: long time being couple of hours ?
joecool: kakobrekla: i thought it was the case for a couple years now, or is this a case of rumors turning into fact?
diametric: asciilifeform: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1874173687/cryptome-global-archives
assbot: Cryptome Global Archives by John Young and Deborah Natsios — Kickstarter
kakobrekla: rumors or not it was considered a standard.
kakobrekla: luks also appears to be unadited
mike_c: kakobrekla: sorry, i meant techcrunch has been confirmed fucked for a long time :)
kakobrekla: ah
diametric: nobody knows for sure, but for the truly paranoid, its best to stay away.
diametric: this whole thing feels like lavabit
diametric: but likely with more waterboarding
kakobrekla: good thing i donated a week ago. now im on the list of supporters err i mean terrorist.
joecool: kakobrekla: prepare to receive a dose of freedom
kakobrekla: and democracy
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 3 @ 0.0353997 = 0.1062 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 12 @ 0.0353999 = 0.4248 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34000 @ 0.0008848 = 30.0832 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 3 @ 0.03420017 = 0.1026 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 25 @ 0.00511 = 0.1278 BTC [-]
thestringpuller: !ticker m f.mpif
assbot: [MPEX:F.MPIF] 1D: 0.00021726 / 0.00021726 / 0.00021726 (8000 shares, 1.74 BTC), 7D: 0.00021726 / 0.00021726 / 0.00021726 (9529 shares, 2.07 BTC), 30D: 0.000215 / 0.00021529 / 0.00021726 (1162009 shares, 250.17 BTC)
mircea_popescu: !up DefectiveNu
mircea_popescu: btw argentine sushi is fantastic
thestringpuller: japanese people are in argentina?
mircea_popescu: oya
Apocalyptic: <CyrusV> any romanians out there? trying to let you guys know about #bitcoin-romania
Apocalyptic: romanians discovering bitcoin ?
mircea_popescu: i think the guy's been around for a while.
mircea_popescu: nick seems familiar.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 20 @ 0.00552506 = 0.1105 BTC [-] {6}
mircea_popescu: http://thecoinfront.com/andreas-antonopolous-threatened-with-murder-over-twitter/
assbot: The CoinFront Andreas Antonopolous Threatened With Murder Over Twitter | The CoinFront | Bitcoin News
mircea_popescu: is that an airgun ?
fluffypony: that picture
fluffypony: is awesome
fluffypony: needs to be the header on Trilema on May 28th each year
fluffypony: we'll call it "AA Day"
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: too much fucking hassle to keep chaging the headers
mircea_popescu: tho considering changing it to tits
fluffypony: "The exorbitant membership fee, 30 BTC, coupled with the fact that their twitter account hasn't been touched since last June, suggests that the exchange is defunct, or at least no longer being actively promoted. "
fluffypony: such defunct
fluffypony: every stock exchange in the world has an active Twitter account
fluffypony: tut tut
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: who is this fuckwit anyway ?
mircea_popescu: "Brad Edwards is a professional blogger with work published on many different platforms. Writing on a wide range of topics, from digital marketing to new music to health and nutrition, Brad's interest in Bitcoin and monetary reform is part of what inspired the genesis of The CoinFront. W"
mircea_popescu: i guess the part where professional = being paid has kinda gone away past decade or so huh
mircea_popescu: i'm a professional shitter, with shits flushed in many different toilets over 5 continents
fluffypony: lol
mike_c: a dozen 50 word posts a day. my idol.
mircea_popescu: anyway, in wha tfucking world 30 btc is exorbitant ? srsly nao
mircea_popescu: there's 13mn bit coins sloshing around, and these twerps with 10 btc between them dare speak ?
penguirker: New blog post: http://trilema.com/2014/visual-buenos-aires/
benkay: mircea_popescu: where did you find good sushi?
mircea_popescu: benkay, murasaki, viamonte 500 y san martin 4312 3370
mircea_popescu: tiny place. mostly gooks eating there.
nubbins`: hey, me too!
mircea_popescu: there's another on san martin and florida
nubbins`: (re: shitting)
nubbins`: only australia and antarctica evade me
mircea_popescu: nubbins`, plus you shat moose sausage
nubbins`: more than once
mircea_popescu: whoa me too!
mircea_popescu: wait gooks are koreans
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0975 = 0.195 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: how do you say japanese again ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I though gooks were more southeast asian.
nubbins`: in korean? i can't recall
BingoBoingo: Koreans are moons, Japs are just Japs, occasionally slants
mircea_popescu: nubbins`, no, in white thrashian
nubbins`: not sure
mircea_popescu: japs huh. not bad.
nubbins`: "japs" was popular circa ww2
nubbins`: as it happens, "ars gratia artis" is very, very common in japan
nubbins`: hang around harajuku bridge on a sunday, i dare ya to find a hat laid out
mircea_popescu: but it sucks
mircea_popescu: i WANT to give them some money.
mircea_popescu: wtf.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 28 @ 0.02807619 = 0.7861 BTC [-] {9}
nubbins`: so hire 'em ;D
nubbins`: wait, you're not allowed to express your personal values in public? ;(
mircea_popescu: me ?
mircea_popescu: anyway, i want something between ignore and marry. like a pat on the butt or something you know ?
jurov: .fail and .wtf TLDs launching, anyone?
mircea_popescu: urmom.fail sounds kinda good
nubbins`: perhaps a brief word of appreciation
mircea_popescu: dude.wtf
mircea_popescu: nubbins`, interrupting a performance to note my mostly irrelevant appreciation seems too out of character.
nubbins`: applause helps, if you can stand to wait til the end
mircea_popescu: money tho. i mean i get it, they're discreet, they don't ask for it, they don't do it for the money etc. im fine with al lthat.
mircea_popescu: but the ystill got rent to pay neh ?
nubbins`: maybe they have a sponsor
nubbins`: a patron, if you will
mircea_popescu: maybe.
nubbins`: maybe this is their day job, and also their recreation
nubbins`: who knows!
mike_c: some people take money as an insult. pro tip: don't ever try to bribe a hawaiian.
mircea_popescu: i don't trust that sort of people.
mike_c: me neither. it was odd.
nubbins`: too bad :(
mircea_popescu: they'll fuck up spectacularly and pretend like they didn't.
mircea_popescu: cause in their own estimation they did just fine.
nubbins`: i think your venn diagram needs adjusting
mircea_popescu: no u
nubbins`: D:
mircea_popescu: anyway, going to bother more locals and gorge on more sushi
mircea_popescu: hasta luego
nubbins`: track down a chifa restaurant
nubbins`: cheers
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.45387926 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34500 @ 0.00088521 = 30.5397 BTC [+] {3}
Namworld: When are governments going to enter the 21st century?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 71 @ 0.00421404 = 0.2992 BTC [+] {2}
Namworld: I'd swear they're still stuck a few decades in the past.
dub: I'm waiting for someone to build the bitcoin like consensus network for electoral systems
benkay: ew electoral systems
dub: use it to push out the decision making though
Naphex: mircea_popescu: so how is security in argentina, vs Timisoara?
BingoBoingo: !up Pierre_Rochard
BingoBoingo: http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_world_/2014/05/29/one_weird_trick_to_boost_your_country_s_gdp_overnight_count_drugs_and_prostitution.html
assbot: One weird trick to boost your country's GDP overnight: Count drugs and prostitution.
Naphex: http://np.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/26snkg/buttcoiner_paints_a_graven_image_of_andreas/
assbot: Buttcoiner paints a graven image of Andreas - possible breach of the Buttcoin commandments : Buttcoin
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52948 @ 0.00088832 = 47.0348 BTC [+] {3}
jborkl: http://www.bcoinnews.com/chart-2/
assbot: | Bitcoin news
Naphex: ass raped by jquery?:o
Naphex: how does that happen
BingoBoingo: https://www.craigslist.org/about/best/bal/208055878.html
assbot: best of craigslist: A Note to Renters from the Evil Landlord
punkman: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/117088046/do-i-sound-gay-a-documentary-about-finding-your-tr
assbot: Do I Sound Gay? A Documentary About Finding Your True Voice by David Thorpe — Kickstarter
fluffypony: k I go sleepz
Naphex: gn o/
Naphex: i just woke up, 30mins ago:P
fluffypony: lulz
fluffypony: it's 1:30am
fluffypony: that's sleeps time
Naphex: slept through the day
Naphex: still bit through the flu
fluffypony: that sucks
fluffypony: I hate that
fluffypony sends Naphex pillz
Naphex takes pills, doubles down, kills it with a shot of whiskey
Naphex faints
thestringpuller: real men don't faint
thestringpuller: they pass out
BingoBoingo runs Naphex to the Pokemon center
thestringpuller: ^- exactly
Naphex has a fit, breaks some classes. Passes out, very manly
Naphex: like a fucking tank
punkman: I had a nice 3 hour siesta
punkman: but that's too much, messes with the schedule
HeySteve: <+thestringpuller> real men don't faint
HeySteve: <+thestringpuller> they *black* out <-fixed!
HeySteve: and on that note, it's whisky time!
Naphex: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YyDqoLimejg
assbot: Luniz - I Got 5 On It Lyrics - YouTube
dub: Ardbeg day on saturday
punkman: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pw2b24JvOIc
assbot: UltraCoin: The Great Financial Disintermediator - YouTube
punkman: "a virtual Goldman Sachs on top of Bitcoin"
punkman: "basically I'm building a more efficient financial system"
HeySteve: Reggie Middleton's Ultracoin?
dub: is that the rest of that deathbylolipop guys face?
HeySteve: that guy is trying to patent certain types of smart contract, real dick move if you ask me
punkman: just saw a freelance ad he posted, should probably dig the logs for previous discussion
HeySteve: that's not the way we do things in FOSS, Reggie >:(
punkman: he can patent all his crap what do we care
HeySteve: yeah, it's just really cheeky and irritating
punkman: http://boombustblog.com/blog/item/9217-bitcoin-volatility-as-a-store-of-value-the-opportunity-threat-proposition-to-money-center-banks
assbot: Payment Processors, Patents and a Dollop of Healthy Paranoia
HeySteve: Ultracoin seems to aim at similar things as Open Transactions
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 4 @ 0.0342001 = 0.1368 BTC [-]
HeySteve: OT seems further along though