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mircea_popescu: Mats_cd03 right ?
mircea_popescu: btw moiety_ http://trilema.com/2011/pisicute/
assbot: Pisicute pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
moiety_: mircea_popescu: they are so tiny! so cute, but they need some biscuits
moiety_: are they yours?
moiety_: googles not translating well for me D;
moiety_: perhaps mine are just fat cats
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 11 @ 0.06700542 = 0.7371 BTC [+] {2}
moiety: ffs freenode
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27366 @ 0.00082545 = 22.5893 BTC [+]
Mats_cd03: for future reference, the no poo pills i was referring to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loperamide
assbot: Loperamide - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
asciilifeform: Mats_cd03: interesting case of the kind of thinking that gave us, e.g. DXM
Mats_cd03: i may have used it a few times to punish a thief in the office
asciilifeform: Mats_cd03: 'let's take a drug that's been known for 5,000 years, but is too much fun; nip at the structure a bit until we have a - anti-diarrheal, cough suppressant, etc. that's almost as good as opium.'
Mats_cd03: thats p much how rx research works no?
Mats_cd03: brute force all of the things. see what works, rinse, repeat.
asciilifeform: Mats_cd03: not necessarily - where in nature do you find, e.g. ssri
asciilifeform: talking about the goal, vs. the process
Mats_cd03: o
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: SSRI came from... Benadryl!
asciilifeform: sure.
asciilifeform: dxm, loperamide, etc. solve what might be called 'fiat problems'
Mats_cd03: after 1 no pill a day for 4 days during a field exercise, i was literally full of shit
penguirker: New blog post: http://trilema.com/2014/people-us-dollars-are-not-worth-a-fifth-of-a-bitcent-stop-selling/
Mats_cd03: i used a scale...my poop was 4.6 pounds
asciilifeform: in both examples, ordinary opium is the champ
asciilifeform: interestingly, sometimes the pharma folks fail: they spent some years trying to cough up a dopamine reuptake inhibitor that doesn't reduce to a synthetic cocaine, and, afaik, gave up ☟︎☟︎
asciilifeform: 1) pick a problem 2) ban solution 3) ??? 4) profit! ☟︎
asciilifeform: this is why the 'optimize for patentability' process is an inevitable crock of shit. when the scamz0rs can't enclose the commons - they torch them.
moiety: is it just me or does the trilema header change more frequently these days?
mike_c: the latter.
mike_c: Mats_cd03: hopefully you weighed yourself before and after and didn't pile your shit on some poor scale.
moiety: thanks mike_c
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BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: They founf a dopamine and norepinephrine reuptake inhibitor in Bupropion. Note the substitution that was made... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bupropion
assbot: Bupropion - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: so weak as to be almost useless.
BingoBoingo: (The interesting part is the picture... check the ring)
asciilifeform: which is the way usg likes it.
Mats_cd03: mike_c: har har
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Not useless, just... dangerous in actually useful amounts.
asciilifeform: ~= useless.
moiety: i get the kitten post now. good work mircea_popescu lol you need to source some ar ones.
asciilifeform: btc folks who expect to 'can have problems' from daring to demonetize the dollar should contemplate gedankenexperiment - what'd happen to a nation that 'demonetizes'... cocaine. (that is, establishes dirt-cheap production & distribution.) if your starfish doesn't quiver at the thought of the 'problems you can have' then...
moiety: bupropion is given rarely here as an antidepressant but more as an anti smoking thing, as its not licensed in the same was as in the us
moiety: way*
asciilifeform: learn how alchemists were treated back when influential folks thought that alchemy might work
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the basic idea behind the 'antidepressant' market is at least as mistaken as the phlogiston theory. so what kind of result can be expected.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Of course, well at least it has been since MOAIs fell to the wayside.
BingoBoingo: ;;google new nardil sucks
gribble: Old Nardil Vs. New Nardil - Emsam and other MAOIs - Crazy Talk ...: <http://www.crazymeds.us/CrazyTalk/index.php/topic/5897-old-nardil-vs-new-nardil/>; Nardil and Dry Mouth - Depression: <http://depression.emedtv.com/nardil/nardil-and-dry-mouth.html>; Drug Ratings for NARDIL - Ask a Patient: (1 more message)
BingoBoingo: Seems drugs can have problems too
BingoBoingo: moiety: Here Bupropion is used frequently when people discover aspects of the SSRI side effect profile.
asciilifeform: e.g. impotence
BingoBoingo: impotence, inability to orgasm,... the full set is rather large
asciilifeform: the basic formula of antidepressant market: 1) http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-06-2014#722631 2) side effects are a gift from the gods: 10 side effects - 10 kinds of pill you can now sell. ☝︎
assbot: #bitcoin-assets log
asciilifeform: i've met folks taking 5+ psych meds, mostly against... each other
mircea_popescu: moiety those were babies
BingoBoingo: It's usually how things work
asciilifeform notes similarity to the software 'industry'
moiety: i had a patient that was on so many conflicting medications his liver was shutting down. every time i saw him, he was thinner and felt worse and they just wouldn't do anything. i'm worried what happened to him since i left
BingoBoingo: The only significant problem with MAOIs was they prevented selling the patient other drugs... at least drugs that aren't amphetamines
mircea_popescu: <mike_c> Mats_cd03: hopefully you weighed yourself before and after and didn't pile your shit on some poor scale. << freezer bags ftw
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BingoBoingo: !b 1 ✂︎
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform << i don't see it. columbia.
Mats_cd03: dafuq am i going to do with freezer bags
asciilifeform: columbia << not a military giant who can make the 'demonetization' stick globally.
asciilifeform: a la brits/opium/19th-c.
moiety: they have started bowel screening here for the 50+. you get cardboard sticks and instructions to shit on your bagged hand and smear it on a chart with said sticks, which you do over the course of X days and send it off to the GP
moiety: poor postmen
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well now that all depends.
mircea_popescu: you can buy cocaine can't you ?
asciilifeform: cocaine demonetization is, of course, gedankenexperiment. nobody interesting is particularly well-positioned to benefit from it, and so it won't happen - just as cardboard full-height replica of eiffel's tower won't happen.
moiety: Mats_cd03: use it like a mit lol
mircea_popescu: fun fact : psychiatrists with child practices occasionally get to see cases of prepubescent kids that anally masturbate with their shit and end up with serious constipation issues
mircea_popescu: apparently it's a thing
mircea_popescu: (documented for centuries etc)
asciilifeform: herr doktor freud
Mats_cd03: wat
Mats_cd03: for fucks sake
mircea_popescu: Mats_cd03 welcome to -assets, where you broaden
mircea_popescu: your horizonts.
asciilifeform: (coke is no more difficult to churn out by the gigaton than, e.g. progesterone. do you see it at local pharmacist for a penny a dose? didn't think so. because it is a kind of chemical / international fiat currency. with all of the features that come with such.)
mircea_popescu: notrly. sugar is a better comparison
mircea_popescu: coke is an agro product. and for that matter, quite similar to sugar
mircea_popescu: so your gedanken experiment could well be carried out in a world where coke is the currency and sugar is illegal.
mircea_popescu: http://www.imperialsugar.com/vintage-imperial-sugar/vintage-commercials
assbot: Vintage Commercials | Imperial Sugar
asciilifeform: could easily become the same kind of 'agro product' as... insulin.
asciilifeform: (bacterium is energetically-cheaper than plowing fields)
mircea_popescu: i wonder.
mircea_popescu: if this were true coke market in the us would be like meth market
mircea_popescu: it's not.
asciilifeform: genetically diddling e-coli is tricky.
TheNewDeal: wait are we talking about Coke or coke
asciilifeform: c
TheNewDeal: I was going to say, Coke is verrry similar to sugar
TheNewDeal: still won't see it for 1 cent at your local whatnot
mircea_popescu: actually coke is very similar to fructose
asciilifeform: coke market in the us would be like meth market << nope. bioreactor (aside from somebody having to jump the hurdle and produce the transgenic critter in the first place) is a considerably more cerebral undertaking than grignard reaction in a garage.
TheNewDeal: fructose is sugar
TheNewDeal: subset
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you say this on the basis of what.
asciilifeform: a world where coke is the currency and sugar is illegal... an agro product << point of the second (e. coli) gedankenexperiment isn't that the planet needs a gigaton of coke (perhaps it does, but i digress) but would be to profit maximally off the 'demonetization.'
mircea_popescu: people microbrew, god love them.
asciilifeform: which 'this' ?
mircea_popescu: "is a considerably more cerebral"
asciilifeform: aha
asciilifeform was involved in a (failed) project to churn out butyrylcholinesterase via transgenics.
mircea_popescu: ya but i mean...
mircea_popescu: before every hick set his garage on fire trying to make meth
mircea_popescu: people thought organic synthesis is a cerebral endeavour
mircea_popescu: now they have a reality show abvout it
asciilifeform: it is again - when the one-step precursors are unavailable
asciilifeform: (the hicks don't start with a bag of carbon, a bottle of water...)
TheNewDeal: or you just have to know people that steal a gigaton of the precursor?
asciilifeform: in this scenario, the 'cerebral' work was done for you - by the folks who built the plant which churns out pseudoephedrine by the gigaton
mircea_popescu: "Current meds: lamotrigine 300mg, topiramate 325mg, buspirone 60mg, protriptyline 60mg, EPA 600mg, methylphenidate 5-10mg, lorazepam 1mg PRN
mircea_popescu: Past meds (likely incomplete): Abilify, clonazepam, desipramine, diazepam, Gabitril, lithium, Neurontin, Paxil, prochlorperazine, Provigil, Prozac, Risperdal, Seroquel, Serzone, Strattera, Trileptal, Zyprexa"
mircea_popescu: poor livers.
asciilifeform: poor cns.
TheNewDeal: who has this list?
mircea_popescu: what cns ?
TheNewDeal: central nervous system
asciilifeform: central nervous
mircea_popescu: http://crazy-meds1.blogspot.com << this guy
assbot: Batshit Crazy & Medicated for your Protection
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i know dude. the idea is there's no such thing in there
asciilifeform: lol
asciilifeform: if before dr. mengele got to him - there was - certainly not after.
TheNewDeal: I like this guy alreadh
asciilifeform: (likely that, in the future, folks will view today's medical profession in much the same light we see herr mengele)
TheNewDeal: many currently do
mircea_popescu: medical profession maybe not, but the "mental health" "professionals" definitely.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11700 @ 0.00082498 = 9.6523 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: by and large, they 'are only following orders' - as described by, e.g. TLP. but still.
TheNewDeal: tlp?
asciilifeform: ;;google the last psychiatrist
gribble: The Last Psychiatrist: <http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/>; The Last Psychiatrist Archives: <http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/archives.html>; The Last Psychiatrist: Who Bullies The Bullies?: <http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2014/05/cyberbll.html>
TheNewDeal: gribble quit it with the ">;" crap
nubbins`: can't leave a dangling <
BingoBoingo: http://crazy-meds1.blogspot.com << this guy << His pre-CNS collapse occupation if you read deep enough, Big Iron Programmer.
assbot: Batshit Crazy & Medicated for your Protection
nubbins`: makes sense
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform people hung for just following orders at nurnberg
mircea_popescu: one day people will hang for just following orders in what once was washington, dc, too.
asciilifeform: aye.
nubbins`: more for following the wrong ones
mircea_popescu: exactly.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo that's right.
nubbins`: which is why one should avoid being placed in situations where one can be easily ordered
mircea_popescu: just like turing.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` naive copout that. you're always ordered.
mircea_popescu: the only solution is to pick a good sovereign and stick to it.
nubbins`: or rather, where the enforcing of said ordering is a common occurrence
asciilifeform: 'you commit atrocities with the sovereign you have, not the sovereign you wish you had.' (apologies to mr bush)
nubbins`: unfortunately, picking a good sovereign likely requires you to pass through the hands of the worst sovereign of them all (int'l border control)
mircea_popescu: maybe
asciilifeform: good sovereign << a cryptozoological animal
mircea_popescu: ;;google "is a source of immense satisfaction to me"
gribble: Use immense in a sentence | immense sentence examples: <http://sentence.yourdictionary.com/immense>; It gives me immense pleasure to inform all the members and ...: <http://www.b-u.ac.in/bu-icai/syllabus.pdf>; Immense | Define Immense at Dictionary.com: <http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/immense>
mircea_popescu: check it out, google has managed to erase history. the only winner of nurenberg doesn't exist in the brave new world.
asciilifeform: lol
Apocalyptic: mircea_popescu, are you ordered too ?
mircea_popescu: no, i'm an asshole.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> good sovereign << a cryptozoological animal << this reduces to saying there's nothing to live for.
asciilifeform: some of us live for the unicorn hunt.
nubbins`: the meat is so tasty
mircea_popescu: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/18/Okapi2.jpg
asciilifeform: even should it be necessary to genetically diddle goats to obtain said beast
nubbins`: i've seen one of those in person
nubbins`: in uh
nubbins`: in mammal
nubbins` shrugs uncomfortably
nubbins`: meanwhile, in vancouver: http://i.imgur.com/qKcGpzi.jpg
TheNewDeal: hahaha
asciilifeform: can't dig it up in nature? build. unless we have hands solely to jack off with.
TheNewDeal: most definitely the latter
asciilifeform: dovetails nicely with the discussion of recombinant cocain-excreting e.coli.
mircea_popescu: lol such dude
TheNewDeal: gimme somma dat
moiety: http://metro.co.uk/2014/06/17/rolf-steiner-cow-gets-stuck-on-roof-in-swiss-alps-4764420/
assbot: Rolf Steiner: Cow gets stuck on roof near Swiss Alps | Metro News
moiety: this cow needs some time in the park
nubbins`: cow chilling park
BingoBoingo: Suggested sidebar link http://metro.co.uk/2014/06/17/ouch-man-slaps-an-opossum-gets-a-handful-of-400-porcupine-quills-4765333/
assbot: Brazilian man slaps an opossum, gets a handful of 400 porcupine quills | Metro News
asciilifeform: philosophy of building with own hands >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ji4t6QQn8KM << english translation in 'show more' tab
assbot: - /You are a Man ( ) - YouTube
moiety: oh nubbins`, i watched quite a few films when i was internetless. This is really good: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1242460/ (also shutter island and inception but i think i'm the only one in the world who hadn't seen those yet)
assbot: We Need to Talk About Kevin (2011) - IMDb
moiety: how on earth did that man get the two confused
[]bot: Bet created: "Suarez to stay at Liverpool" http://bitbet.us/bet/949/
TheNewDeal: and inception returns to mediocrity after you watch it a couple more times
TheNewDeal: was great the first time, good the second, ...
moiety: i don't understand how anyone could have found it confusing
TheNewDeal: most people are... stupid?
moiety: fair point
TheNewDeal: or lack attention spans that last 120+ minutes
TheNewDeal: some combination
moiety: most people don't watch memento the full way through or complain it doesn't make sense either
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell organofcorti nice site btw
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: http://organofcorti.blogspot.com << he's like the mike_c of mining
assbot: Neighbourhood Pool Watch
BingoBoingo: And he's been doing it for quite a while
nubbins`: http://i.imgur.com/BxIRSGj.jpg
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo kinda how one gets good yeah
TheNewDeal: moiety momento was quality
moiety: i thought so too TheNewDeal
[]bot: Bet created: "A pool will have at least 51% of the Bitcoin network" http://bitbet.us/bet/950/
TheNewDeal: ridiculous http://kotaku.com/decades-later-someones-discovered-a-new-super-mario-br-1591884544?utm_campaign=Socialflow_Kotaku_Facebook&utm_source=Kotaku_Facebook&utm_medium=Socialflow
assbot: Decades Later, Someone's Discovered a New Super Mario Bros. Glitch
TheNewDeal: so does that 51% have to occur over a week time period?
TheNewDeal: faack gotta go to sleep
[]bot: Bet created: "Silk Road Coin Auction Extravaganza" http://bitbet.us/bet/951/
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla o look at that, 179:144
kakobrekla: you will never reach my registration date!
mircea_popescu: damn
mircea_popescu: I WAS BUSY THAT MAY DAMNIT
mircea_popescu: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 306422 | Current Difficulty: 1.1756551916903952E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 306431 | Next Difficulty In: 9 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 hour, 11 minutes, and 36 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 13448095222.7 | Estimated Percent Change: 14.38809
mircea_popescu: sooo 14 seems certain huh.
mike_c: unless.. http://bitbet.us/bet/871/bitcoin-difficulty-to-fall-in-2014/
assbot: BitBet - Bitcoin difficulty to fall in 2014 :: 1.3 B (62%) on Yes, 0.81 B (38%) on No | closing in 6 months 1 day| weight: 91`228 (100`000 to 1)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.21959695 = 1.5372 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: yeah i guess.
BingoBoingo: http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nhl-puck-daddy/did-la-kings-fans-take-out-lapd-drone-during-stanley-cup-party-135942533.html
assbot: Did LA Kings fans take out LAPD drone during Stanley Cup party? | Puck Daddy - Yahoo Sports
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5775 @ 0.00082669 = 4.7741 BTC [+]
penguirker: New blog post: http://www.bcoinnews.com/kncminer-expects-ship-20nm-week/
mike_c: hmph. well, maybe 14 is for sure :)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 15000 @ 0.0000985 = 1.4775 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: knc kinda delivers don't they
BingoBoingo: Often broken and shitty product, but yeah
asciilifeform: miner... delivers << still seems analogous to... if toilet paper were always shipped lightly-used.
mircea_popescu: lol
cazalla: knc bet might just get there heh
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8885 @ 0.00082679 = 7.346 BTC [+] {2}
benkay: http://nsapwn.com
assbot: NSA Pwnage Calculator
asciilifeform: benkay: related: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ja9OGmaGwoo << translation: 'who is stronger? elephant, or whale?'
assbot: - YouTube
trinque: benkay: that makes me think govt control of BTC is hard to avoid
Mats_cd03: 21:29 <•TheNewDeal> gribble quit it with the ">;" crap << your client sucks, mine parses it correctly
Mats_cd03: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 306432 | Current Difficulty: 1.346258011452534E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 308447 | Next Difficulty In: 2015 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 3 days, 21 hours, 24 minutes, and 19 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 53850340580.2 | Estimated Percent Change: 300.00015
Mats_cd03: lol?
Mats_cd03: ;;math 1.3462^1.04
gribble: Error: The "Math" plugin is loaded, but there is no command named "1.3462^1.04" in it. Try "list Math" to see the commands in the "Math" plugin.
Mats_cd03: ;;math 1.3462**1.04
gribble: Error: The "Math" plugin is loaded, but there is no command named "1.3462**1.04" in it. Try "list Math" to see the commands in the "Math" plugin.
Mats_cd03: fuck you
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4664 @ 0.00082725 = 3.8583 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10060 @ 0.00082725 = 8.3221 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43350 @ 0.0008237 = 35.7074 BTC [-] {3}
moiety: http://lovemeow.com/2014/06/cat-and-lynx-become-inseparable-friends/ :D
assbot: Cat And Lynx Become Inseparable Friends
assbot: [MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 500 @ 0.00227025 = 1.1351 BTC [+] {3}
Apocalyptic: ;;calc 1.3462**1.04
gribble: 1.36230380511
Apocalyptic: Mats_cd03, ^
FabianB: mircea_popescu: jurov: it should do bait << it should do mp approved bait. <-- it kind of does now, even probably not what you expected
BingoBoingo: !up Vexual
BingoBoingo: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 306443 | Current Difficulty: 1.346258011452534E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 308447 | Next Difficulty In: 2004 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 4 days, 10 hours, 50 minutes, and 3 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 11878747551.5 | Estimated Percent Change: -11.7647
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2980 @ 0.00082725 = 2.4652 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.20023447 = 0.6007 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21750 @ 0.00082464 = 17.9359 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40750 @ 0.00082731 = 33.7129 BTC [+] {2}
moiety: !up Vexual
moiety: !up Vexual
Vexual: ohai
moiety: hai :]
Vexual: whats new?
Apocalyptic: so Argentina is refusing to pay some US hedge funds some settlement on their debt
Vexual: yeah i read that 1.5 bn
Vexual: can't afford it ?
moiety: what will happen next?
Vexual: they will still not afford it
moiety: will it just stalemate?
Apocalyptic: apparently they sent a couple of lawyers to NY
Apocalyptic: to "discuss" the matter with the judge that ordered them to pay
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.2001 = 0.6003 BTC [-]
Apocalyptic: Vexual, apparently it's more like 15 bn in total
Vexual: o
Apocalyptic: the 2 funds in question are indeed owed 1.4, but this settlement will trigger payments to others funds too
Apocalyptic: from what I read
Apocalyptic: central bank reserves in USD are 28,5 bn
Apocalyptic: kind of a big chunk
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.18952502 = 0.7581 BTC [-] {4}
Vexual: i guess they owe germany gold then?
Vexual: nothing a few thousand men couldn't scratch off the surface in a month
Apocalyptic: speaking of germany and gold
Apocalyptic: I wonder how much US sent them back so far
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 71 @ 0.02999989 = 2.13 BTC [+] {2}
Vexual: fucking nada
moiety: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-27884323
assbot: BBC News - Hidden painting found under Picasso's The Blue Room
Vexual: those suits sent to ny will do well to slow proceedings
Vexual: no wonder that guy sells for big money
moiety: buy one, get one free!
Vexual: a proper old picasso print can be had for 1nc
Vexual: or real coin even
fluffypony: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=655464.0
assbot: [HAVELOCK] DataTank Mining: 1.2MW 3M Novec Immersion Cooled 2PH Mining Container
fluffypony: so now everyone is rushing to verify that this is "nothing like Neo & Bee"
fluffypony: gotta love that group due diligence
fluffypony: "aving been in communication with these guys a bit I can say that they are definitely not NEO & BEE types. These guys definitely know what they are doing and they have proven that they can deliver since they have already done so. Unlike many offerings, their technical skills and abilities are pretty well proven."
moiety: because technical ability stops you running off with peoples monies
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15200 @ 0.00082789 = 12.5839 BTC [+] {2}
moiety: !up Vexual
fluffypony: obviously
Vexual: hif is buy now?
Vexual: looks like havelocks answer to ghash
Vexual: and it'd be timed exactly right if not for the 3-6 month deployment time
fluffypony: yeah
Vexual: but it smells like catpiss and the cat is technique
Vexual: pankakke?
jurov: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 306455 | Current Difficulty: 1.346258011452534E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 308447 | Next Difficulty In: 1992 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 4 days, 12 hours, 20 minutes, and 48 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 12833387688.7 | Estimated Percent Change: -4.67364
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12450 @ 0.00082264 = 10.2419 BTC [-]
Vexual: the prospectus has anxpro on a cg container, are they affiliated?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SHA] 25 @ 0.042 = 1.05 BTC
Vexual: plus token white dude, dollar exchange, mining, stock market
Vexual: ;;8ball
gribble: One would be wise to think so.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.21889486 = 0.8756 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.21929955 = 1.0965 BTC [+] {4}
pankkake: "their technical skills and abilities are pretty well proven" => same was said about kslaugther, presented as some rock star entrepreneur and engineer (when he was neither)
mircea_popescu: fluffypony neobee TYPES mind you.
mircea_popescu: these schmucks have sunk in the research and classifieds the typology nao.
mircea_popescu: the archetype of the neobee being, of course, that antonoderpulous guy.
Apocalyptic: pankkake, so was Zhou
fluffypony: yeah
fluffypony: well I had my say on the thread
fluffypony: and, of course, jimmothy is being retarded: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=655464.msg7375512#msg7375512
assbot: [HAVELOCK] DataTank Mining: 1.2MW 3M Novec Immersion Cooled 2PH Mining Container
pankkake: his blind hate for anything MP
mircea_popescu: wait im involved ?
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: I dared to mention that a WoT presence might be a good starting point
jurov: "it was pretty hard to not reach a positive ROI by now with most asics." this doesn't have anything to do with mp
mircea_popescu: lol how's wot mp related
Apocalyptic: fluffypony, "Additionally, don't confuse the possibility of them being fiat profitable with them being Bitcoin profitable" too many derps don't distinguish between the two and will generally eagerly settle for the former
mircea_popescu: also most asics actually got no +roi.
mircea_popescu: $bait
pankkake: I don't mean made by MP
mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic that's a problem, yeah.
pankkake: !up Vexual
mircea_popescu: the stupidity of people holding bitcoin is the one thing that can hurt bitcoin (as evidenced by say the pirate debacle, or by the fact that a million fucktarded stoners managed to give the usg a gift of 20k ish btcs)
mircea_popescu: luckily that tends to be a self-limiting problem
mircea_popescu: FabianB how does it do bait ?
pankkake: I hope you're right
mircea_popescu: pankkake well, it's finite see. the only way they can do something stupid in the first place is by giving it away
mircea_popescu: that's the definition of self limiting
mircea_popescu: Vexual: can't afford it ? << actually, they could, they just dun want to.
mircea_popescu: moiety: what will happen next? <<< probably us court will try to confiscate various argentine assets in various countries, further straining its relations with the world.
mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic: I wonder how much US sent them back so far << the us had more sense than to put a clause in there that the matter is to be judged according to frankfurt law.
mircea_popescu: "They have something better than WOT. Real names and real business experience." ahahaha help me rwanda.
fluffypony: I know
Apocalyptic: mircea_popescu, in the meantime i read that they are planning to get 50% back to frankfurt in a matter of seven years or so
Apocalyptic: so it's too soon to tell how it's going
mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic they're also planning tobalance the budget
mircea_popescu: over about the same timeframe
mircea_popescu: or wait, was that, they're planning to actually send congress a budget at all, like required by law ?
Apocalyptic: <mircea_popescu> Vexual: can't afford it ? << actually, they could, they just dun want to. // yeah they could at the expense of roughly half their USD reserves
mircea_popescu: fluffypony " Given how reliant this company is on paying backend costs in fiat" I don't follow this part.
mircea_popescu: why would fiat costs pose a problem ? it's quite clear why fiat revenues are a problem for reits etc, but costs ?
mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic right.
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: in other words, if they were paying staff and rent in Bitcoin they could present a business plan with amounts in Bitcoin
fluffypony: but they're reliant on the exchange-rate-at-the-time costs are due
mircea_popescu: so ?
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: http://blog.spagni.net/posts/2014-04-28/
assbot: How to fail gracefully as a Bitcoin business
fluffypony: having fiat-denominated expenses is not in and of itself bad, but they're going to sink virtually the entire amount into fiat costs up-front
fluffypony: to pay for equipment etc. etc.
mircea_popescu: o well say it like that then
mircea_popescu: that makes sense.
fluffypony: -1 point for fluffyclarity
mircea_popescu: "by investing in this company you're buying chunks of a dollar-denominated investment, because they mostly plan to sell your bitcoin and pay off fiat costs."
fluffypony: yarp
mircea_popescu: it's funny tho, that completely disqualifies thyem from any sort of experience or competence in the field
mircea_popescu: quite contrary to that derps claims.
mircea_popescu: luckily we have years of amassed history and discussion to establish what competence/experience are, what they do and how they look like.
mircea_popescu: Mark Serbu told us, “I refused to sell my rifles to the NYPD, and when I talked about it online, it blew up like crazy. Everybody liked the idea of a gun law biting the government on the ass. There are only two manufacturers of semi-automatic 50-caliber rifles in the US, and neither will sell to the NYPD. This is like, ‘Screw you, New York.’ People are less safe without our rifles to protect you.
mircea_popescu: i had no idea they used the barrett as an anti-personnel device on the streets of the asphalt jungle
mircea_popescu: the army mostly uses it to blow up explosives iirc
BingoBoingo: Also works on trucks
mircea_popescu: i guess it'd work on anything short of a tank
BingoBoingo: Pretty much anything not specifically designed to prevent it working, with exception as defined by the laws of physics (mountains, clouds, the sun...)
mircea_popescu: i suppose the wanna-be cool dorks love it because it's so BIG and it looks JUST LIKE IN TH MOVIES OMAYGAWD
mircea_popescu: god help you if you have to use the thing indoors tho
mircea_popescu: fluffypony btw that article is quite useful
mircea_popescu: but srsly, make better urls.
fluffypony: I have already, will go fix past articles a bit later
mircea_popescu: a cool.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: But expensive things with niche uses when less expensive more general purpose tools of quality are available is the American way!!!
mircea_popescu: One thing to note is that, generally speaking, a Bitcoin/altcoin mining operation is strictly profitable from a fiat perspective. Anyone who thinks they’re profitable from a BTC perspective needs to take a cold, hard look at the data for the past few years, and needs to couple the historical data with the inevitable delays when pre-ordering mining equipment. << this is quite true.
mircea_popescu: bitcoin mining is a perfect avenue for large players to dodge tax, whcih is why the hash is going quite so nuts.
fluffypony: yes
mircea_popescu: rack up the fiat expenses so you don't make a profit, take the bitcoin home.
fluffypony: but it serves no practical purpose as an investment vehicle for those already holding Bitcoin (or who are buying Bitcoin on a monthly basis with their fiat earnings)
mircea_popescu: on top of that there's some... maybe 1-2% by now, amateurs that get to jerkoff to the thought that they're "just as much a part of bitcoin AS ANYONE"
mircea_popescu: they used to be 10% earlier this year. then again they used to be 100% a coupla years ago
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo only recently. didn't use to be.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves so is atc taking over the ltc role ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: American's didn't have the too much money problem until recently though (1950's) Kids who grew up with that mindset run the show nao though... or at least imagine they do
mircea_popescu: sad but true
BingoBoingo: All of these people who grew up when the rest of the world was crippled now imagine it still is.
BingoBoingo: %book
atcbot: 35k@250 2k@240 16k@235 | 5k@150 49k@143 175k@142
mircea_popescu: how did the volume go again ?
mircea_popescu: %help
atcbot: %t | %ticker | %book | %diff | %tx <tx_id> | %bal <address> | %mined | %block <block_height> | %lb | %tslb | %cm | %ptp | %help | %h
mircea_popescu: %t
atcbot: [X-BT] Bid: 150 Ask: 235 Last Price: 235 24h-Vol: 7k High: 235 Low: 150 VWAP: 156
mircea_popescu: aha
mircea_popescu: %diff
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 715369.85 Est. Next Diff: 430638.11 in 667 blocks (#36288) Est. % Change: -39.80
Apocalyptic: it's in quiet mode before the diff retarget
Apocalyptic: will bring the hoppers back
mircea_popescu: seems so yeah.
mircea_popescu: funny tho the lockstep way it works. 1k - 4k - 1.5k - 5k - 2k - 7k - 5k diff sort of thing
mircea_popescu: seems the hopper's "optimisation" is nothing but a dream in their head
mircea_popescu: since they'll be counting the "high" 5k as "low" six weeks later anyway
mircea_popescu: might as well just have mined all through.
Apocalyptic: well the hooper's "optimisation" is disturbed by unbalanced's plan somehow
mircea_popescu: course this is a fact people who aren't familiar with atc history probably easily miss.
Apocalyptic: dunno if he started earlier than this diff period though
BingoBoingo: %t
atcbot: [X-BT] Bid: 160 Ask: 235 Last Price: 235 24h-Vol: 7k High: 235 Low: 150 VWAP: 156
mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic i suspect it's only disrupted by the fact that atc has the sort of backing that makes it not go anywhere. it's nailed straight to the sun as it were.
mircea_popescu: this bit of info'd quite change the optimisation, if they had it.
BingoBoingo: %book
atcbot: 35k@250 2k@240 16k@235 | 250k@160 500k@151 5k@150
Apocalyptic: mircea_popescu, it may well be so
Apocalyptic: http://www.boursorama.com/actualites/pour-la-cour-des-comptes-il-faut-baisser-le-nombre-de-fonctionnaires-ba3764c288078d33b05b57007f1062dc
assbot: Pour la Cour des comptes, il faut baisser le nombre de fonctionnaires
Apocalyptic: french people finally wake up
BingoBoingo: %t
atcbot: [X-BT] Bid: 160 Ask: 201 Last Price: 160 24h-Vol: 7k High: 235 Low: 150 VWAP: 156
mircea_popescu: hahaha
mircea_popescu: how many are they anyway ? 20mn ?
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 607.51, Best ask: 609.0, Bid-ask spread: 1.49000, Last trade: 609.0, 24 hour volume: 8473.12848309, 24 hour low: 586.84, 24 hour high: 616.0, 24 hour vwap: 604.991375459
Apocalyptic: i wouldn't hazard a guess, too much for sure
pankkake: Apocalyptic: la Cour des comptes has been saying smart things for years, and has been ignored all the way
Apocalyptic: yeah pankkake
pankkake: http://www.lexpress.fr/actualite/societe/les-intermittents-du-spectacle-occupent-la-cour-des-comptes_1499906.html
assbot: Les intermittents du spectacle occupent la Cour des comptes - L'Express
BingoBoingo: %tslb
atcbot: -9 minutes and 49 seconds
mircea_popescu: ahahaha
BingoBoingo: ^ mod6 negative %tslb???
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BingoBoingo: !b 3 ✂︎
pankkake: (translation : highly subsidied fake artists occupy the Court of Accounts)
BingoBoingo: %book
atcbot: 2k@240 16k@235 50k@201 | 250k@160 500k@151 5k@150
BingoBoingo: http://www.computerworld.com.au/article/547767/unisys_phasing_decades-old_mainframe_processor_x86_chips/
assbot: Unisys phasing out decades-old mainframe processor for x86 chips - Computerworld
pankkake: http://boingboing.net/2014/06/16/i-stopped-a-10-million-dollar.html
assbot: I stopped a ten million dollar robbery - Boing Boing
jurov: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2014/06/03/the-secret-service-wants-software-that-detects-social-media-sarcasm-yeah-sure-it-will-work/
assbot: The Secret Service wants software that detects social media sarcasm. Yeah, sure it will work. - The Washington Post
jurov: "Ability to detect sarcasm and false positives," the request reads.
Apocalyptic: jurov, at this point it must be trolling
jurov: Apocalyptic why? i wouldn't put it past them?
BingoBoingo: Maybe the headline is the test? Secret Service collecting references to it as data to feed the beast...
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves you need a comment permalink, because nao i can't say thestringpuller;'s got a prettry interesting comment up there at http://devilsadvocate.biz/crabs-in-the-bucket/?replytocom=75#respond
assbot: Crabs in the Bucket
mircea_popescu: i could use some *people* that reliably detect my sarcasm
BingoBoingo: It's a hard problem in text
mircea_popescu: it's a hard problem irl, too.
mircea_popescu: ajhahaha that robbery link above :
mircea_popescu: Bill said, “We’ll lend $10 million IF we get the full $25 million on any default.” Here were the other terms Bill said.
mircea_popescu: - 15% interest, paid quarterly
mircea_popescu: - the full loan is due back in two years
mircea_popescu: - $600,000 fee paid to Bill up front.
mircea_popescu: - Bill wanted 25% of all the upside on the full $25 million in shares for the next ten years.
mircea_popescu: now THATs robbery.
BingoBoingo: How was the borrower agreeing to that not a red flag that they were a fake
mircea_popescu: it kinda is.
mircea_popescu: anyway, the post sounds legit. it's pretty much how something like that'd go.
BingoBoingo: Kinda the Roger Ver story, except he still praises and pays the loons that fleece him
mircea_popescu: “I have an idea,” I said, “I know the guy who wrote that letter. I’ll write to him and ask him if he wrote that letter. This way he independently verifies.” << the wot.
mircea_popescu: quote that to forum derp. this is exactly what we fucking do here, day in, day out.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-06-2014#708635 ☝︎
assbot: #bitcoin-assets log
pankkake: !up Vexual
pankkake: Vexual: why still not on the wot?
BingoBoingo: fluffypony: Also get rid of that discus shit
pankkake: not that you could be easily faked
fluffypony: BingoBoingo: I hate all the other jekyll comment plugins
BingoBoingo: fluffypony: Just have a send all comments to X@Y.Z email address
fluffypony: too much like hard work
fluffypony: :-P
fluffypony: I'll see if there's something new out for jekyll that is non-JS-ish
BingoBoingo: Or... Just use Wordpress comments
fluffypony: I will never install Wordpress again. EVER.
BingoBoingo: Not the whole thing, just the comment form
pankkake: I've seen some automated systems to do it, finally. proper comments was the only thing I would miss with a static blog
pankkake: I haven't tried those yet though
fluffypony: there's this: https://github.com/mpalmer/jekyll-static-comments
assbot: mpalmer/jekyll-static-comments GitHub
fluffypony: not wild about it, tho
BingoBoingo: ;;google site:trilema.com the hottest idea in bitcoin
gribble: Probably the hottest business idea of the moment in BTC… pe ...: <http://trilema.com/2012/probably-the-hottest-business-idea-of-the-moment-in-btc/>; Bitcoin pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/category/bitcoin/>; Some basic discussion of Bitcoin macroeconomy pe Trilema - Un ...: <http://trilema.com/2013/some-basic-discussion-of-bitcoin-macroeconomy/>
fluffypony: oh this is something I never noticed: https://blog.caurea.org/2012/03/31/this-blog-has-comments-again.html
assbot: caurea.org
fluffypony: it does an email address per post
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.2199997 = 1.1 BTC [+]
fluffypony: will take a looksie again when I have time
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-06-2014#719018 to go with above link ☝︎
assbot: #bitcoin-assets log
mircea_popescu: <BingoBoingo> fluffypony: Also get rid of that discus shit << srsly.
BingoBoingo: The reason to use wordpress is that it's the standard. Doing it right is hard, but all of the usefull standards are.
mircea_popescu: he's prolly tried wp past 1.x and got burned by how shitty it is
BingoBoingo: 2.X for some values of X isn't bad. Same with 3.X with caveat, that for some values of X.
mircea_popescu: http://38.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_md2bx746Pd1r2b8jbo1_400.jpg << trap house!
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo ya i meat 2 not 1 my bad
fluffypony: ;;ping
gribble: pong
fluffypony: so I asked Jimmy Boy: "I'll turn that around and ask you to list 3 mining operations that were Bitcoin profitable. To simplify, you can just list the asset, what the IPO share price was, and what BTC dividends to date would have been for 1 BTC invested."
fluffypony: to which he responds: "Petamine, asicminer, 100th mine, and most people who bought bfl hardware, AM hardware, knc hardware, bitmain hardware, a1 clones, avalon hardware, bitfury hardware."
fluffypony: apparently buying hardware == investing in an asset.
mircea_popescu: fluffypony he went to the us school of diversive argumentation.
fluffypony: and apparently "The whole internet is a web of trust."
fluffypony: he didn't read my comments AT ALL
mircea_popescu: serious politician : "name one policy your demagogy implemented that served the public"
fluffypony: stupid fucktard.
BingoBoingo: fluffypony: Maybe ask why hes till isn't Bitrich
pankkake: 100th mine was profitable?
mircea_popescu: twerp : "guncontrolobamacareglobalwarmingsmokingbanclimatechangederpyherpyderpderpherp"
mircea_popescu: costs him about 100x less to run the mouth than it costs you, and so... he's using it.
mircea_popescu: this is why, incidentally, giving people a voice is such a bad idea.
mircea_popescu: the only thing it yields is a vicious circle of ever decreasing marginal investment in speech
pankkake: also people who bought bfl profited?!
mircea_popescu: what a healthy society needs are lemon laws for speech.
fluffypony: lemon laws!
xmj: mircea_popescu: lemon laws?
xmj: as in, The Market For Lemons ?
mircea_popescu: problem with trying to implement that however is that it's too fucking sweet for whoever's in charge to hijack it into oppression of dissent
mircea_popescu: so basically society only works for as long as society enforces some sort of equivalent by itself. which is also why there can never be a society of "laws not men".
mircea_popescu: men are needed to keep language meaningful.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 7724 @ 0.00008136 = 0.6284 BTC [-] {6}
BingoBoingo: Sorta like the dilema by which Bitcoin is great for a well lawed and ordered society yet incredibly hostile to regulation
mircea_popescu: well you can't cutthe knife
BingoBoingo: Plenty of tools cut knives.
mircea_popescu: sure. but nothing cuts itself. evntually you get to a prime mover.
mircea_popescu: bitcoin can't be regulated because it regulates you.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9400 @ 0.00082119 = 7.7192 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: Cake cutting for the lonely https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBU9N35ZHIw
assbot: The Scientific Way to Cut a Cake - YouTube
mircea_popescu: incidentally, what's the us black slang to denote a woman in her 20s that spends her life naked in the household of some local lord / trap star ?
mircea_popescu: or so common & obvious it really doesn't need a word for itself
fluffypony: a pie chart is called a camembert chart in French?
fluffypony: awesome
mircea_popescu: hehehe
BingoBoingo: The latter it seems from my limited knowledge
pankkake: fluffypony: fun thing, it's called just "un camembert", not even "graphe en camembert"
mircea_popescu: imo this should be backported to english
fluffypony: agreed
mircea_popescu: "his camemberts looked like blocks of fucking swiss"
fluffypony: hah hah
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i wonder how they manage to shoot videos tbh. if i were living the limited lifespan of a rappar, i couldn't give less of a shit as to what tv convntions are.
mircea_popescu: all my videos feature shots of the nekkid ladies
mircea_popescu: must seem so fucken plastic & fake. "whyz dese bitches dresst anyway?!?!"
pankkake: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snoop_Dogg%27s_Doggystyle
assbot: Snoop Dogg's Doggystyle - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
FabianB: <+mircea_popescu> FabianB how does it do bait ? <-- not exactly, i mean this:
FabianB: $depth mpoe
empyex: FabianB: Want a bash? http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?quote=91 Or use a valid MPSIC!
assbot: #bitcoin-assets bash
mircea_popescu: aok
mircea_popescu: but pankkake ... why'z dem bitchez dresst ?!
mircea_popescu: also wtf shitty chopjob
BingoBoingo: !up Vexual
BingoBoingo: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 306472 | Current Difficulty: 1.346258011452534E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 308447 | Next Difficulty In: 1975 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 4 days, 2 hours, 17 minutes, and 31 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 13957917818.7 | Estimated Percent Change: 3.67937
BingoBoingo: http://bitbet.us/bet/901/fifa-world-cup-2014-goal-in-under-10/#c3100
assbot: BitBet - FIFA World Cup 2014: goal in under 10 mins :: 0.19 B (57%) on Yes, 0.14 B (43%) on No | closed 13 hours 27 minutes ago
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo it god paid out already neh ?
BingoBoingo: Yeah, amazing how sometimes events make the errors irrelevant.
mircea_popescu: :p
BingoBoingo: I was kinda hoping Ghana would have won that one
BingoBoingo: American Cities are now more valuable as set pieces than as functioning locations http://www.slate.com/articles/arts/culturebox/2014/06/transformers_premake_documentary_age_of_extinction_inspires_guerrilla_video.html
assbot: Transformers Premake documentary: Age of Extinction inspires guerrilla video essay (VIDEO).
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 12 @ 0.21999999 = 2.64 BTC [+] {3}
BingoBoingo: Detroit and Chicago are cheaper stand ins for China than... China
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 64 @ 0.23955234 = 15.3313 BTC [+] {6}
mircea_popescu: hahaha
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.245 = 2.45 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: Jimmothy http://drgrumpyinthehouse.blogspot.com/2014/06/1207-am.html
assbot: Doctor Grumpy in the House: 12:07 a.m.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 26 @ 0.24384615 = 6.34 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: ahahaha epic
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12700 @ 0.00082825 = 10.5188 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: "I was shaking. We had spoken to Evil on the phone." ahaha dude how fucking overdramatic can altucher get.
mircea_popescu: a fraudster stands to evil in the relationship an army major stands to the government.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.22000065 = 2.2 BTC [-] {3}
BingoBoingo: I dunno if even a Madoff level fraudster makes it as an officer candidate in the Evil Army
mircea_popescu: well what is evil army ?
mircea_popescu: evil is traditionally used as the catchall for anything anyone perceives as contrarian or enmitous and isn't readily reducible.
BingoBoingo: Well, in the heirarchy I imagine Pol Pot makes Colnel... barely
mircea_popescu: davout http://fr.anco.is/2014/06/16/the-security-fail-blockchain-wont-tell-you-about/ << good points, but the blockchain wallet usecase isn't storying a lot of btc.
assbot: The security fail blockchain won’t tell you about | fr.anco.is
mircea_popescu: actually pretty much the only usecase i'm aware of is when you want to do basically the equivalent of issuing yourself a limited preloaded card.
mircea_popescu: i never use the cards associated with my various business accounts, ever. but if they came with a diy kit where i could create my own subcards, preload them and discard them... maybe, just maybe.
fluffypony: I've been wanting the same
mircea_popescu: irk ?
fluffypony: even if it's only creating virtual cards initially
fluffypony: load amounts in
BingoBoingo: Yeah, a decent low fee prepaid card is basically a money condom
fluffypony: and use them online for a month or two
mircea_popescu: no fucking way am i sharing an account that may well have fiddy million in it with some random guy with a pony tail in whatever restaurant
fluffypony: and then abandon them
mircea_popescu: no matter how ridiculous counting fiddy hundred dollar bills may look to the sort of people i don't fuck anyway
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BingoBoingo: !b 1 ✂︎
mircea_popescu: people do stupid sht like that all the time, too.
mircea_popescu: ever want to get a kickass car ? it's simple : buy a red jacket and a cap, sit by the entrance to an expensive restaurant
mircea_popescu: you'll get a free ferrari in five minutes flat.
fluffypony: lol
mircea_popescu: guy just hands you the key and walks off.
mircea_popescu: "o, he thought you were the vallet". well that's fine, you thought he was santa.
mircea_popescu: as joelkatz would say, "common misunderstanding"
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BingoBoingo: !b 6 ✂︎
mircea_popescu: Yiannis Chrysanthou, a security researcher who recently completed his MSc thesis on modern password cracking, was able to crack the password "Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn1."
mircea_popescu: fuck me that sounds scary
mircea_popescu: up until you realise some total dork took a line off lovercraft, as-is.
jurov: http://explo.yt/post/2014/02/26/Bruce-Schneier-passwords-fail exactly as i wrote
assbot: Bruce Schneier passwords fail - serialized delusions
mircea_popescu: ayup
mircea_popescu: !up ansc
mircea_popescu: ;;google romanian dicelist
gribble: Romanian Dicelist pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/romanian-dicelist>; Climax pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/climax>; On Making High-Entropy Paper Wallets | When Bitcoin Met Pete: <http://bitcoinpete.com/2014/03/14/on-making-high-entropy-bitcoin-paper-wallets/>
mircea_popescu: i really recommend that thing. fucking special characters rock for the purpose.
jurov: !up Vexual
Vexual: hehe
jurov: !down Vexual
jurov: hehe
BingoBoingo: !up Vexual
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mircea_popescu: !b 7 ✂︎
BingoBoingo: Bash hasn't updated in a while... is it on Mats_cd03's no poop pills?
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: wasn't jurov modded ?
mircea_popescu: lazyboi!
jurov: !down mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: you tryin' to go down on me ?
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BingoBoingo: !b 2 ✂︎
mircea_popescu: https://bitcointa.lk/index.php?topic=579498.msg6386721#msg6386721 << pretty epic shit.
assbot: [ANN] Altcoin Casinos | Invest | | Bitcointa.lk
mircea_popescu: why's that guy not in here ?
mircea_popescu: someone invite him
mircea_popescu: "Due to the fake account troll below this post has been moved." ahahaha
mircea_popescu: ;;rated fluffypony
gribble: You rated user fluffypony on Mon May 26 08:18:51 2014, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: I don't know him but his wife sends me selfies..
mircea_popescu: ;;rate fluffypony 2 Businessman that now owes me a steak.
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating for user fluffypony has changed from 1 to 2.
fluffypony: lol
ansc: mp: what are your thoughts on icbit.se ?
mircea_popescu: ;;google trilema icbit.se
gribble: Icbit.se, the bucket shop pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/2012/icbitse-the-bucket-shop/>; Security Comparison of Bitcoin-Denominated Instruments ... - Trilema: <http://trilema.com/2012/security-comparison-of-bitcoin-denominated-instruments-exchanges/>; Bitcoin pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/category/bitcoin/>
mircea_popescu: that's a year or two old by now. perhaps things changed. not sure why they would have.
mircea_popescu: ahahaah that thread just gives and gives and gives.
mircea_popescu: should be fucking framed. " Are you finished? Your wrong.", trhen guy goes back and edits it once it's pointed out
ansc: interesting piece. from that perspective, nothing has changed. no need to update. thank you for the link.
mircea_popescu: the boon #bitcoin-assets bestows upon they who come seeking wisdom is great indeed.
ansc: haha right. i must say i do agree.
mircea_popescu: fluffypony what's the xxxprofit story ?
BingoBoingo: %book
atcbot: 2k@240 16k@235 50k@201 | 250k@160 500k@151 5k@150
fluffypony: the dude seems like a reasonable guy, he's very open about that and the appliance thing being fiat businesses, but I think he's struggling to find anyone around him willing to invest because, hey, porn site
BingoBoingo: %ticker
atcbot: [X-BT] Bid: 160 Ask: 201 Last Price: 201 24h-Vol: 7k High: 235 Low: 150 VWAP: 157
Vexual: link?
fluffypony: I told him to get on here and get in the WoT as it'll help with future ventures
punkman: https://icbit.se/node/69 always in beta (TM)
assbot: Price Calculation Fix | ICBIT - Bitcoin Exchange and Futures Market
mircea_popescu: what, i love pron sites. heck, im STILL trying to get in touch with that pleasantly uninhibited chick from reddit.
mircea_popescu: whatver her namne was
mircea_popescu: ;;notes
gribble: I currently have notes waiting for agentx24, anarkitty, bakinat, buanzo, EricNakamoto, fbastage, frankenmint, Immukization, MurphyLawn, newyorkadam, nubbins, nubbins`i, organofcorti, Phinnaeus, plezoh, ryepdx, sic_nic, starsoccer9, ThickasTheives, unbalanced, and weenfan.
Vexual: lol lowecase me is gone
mircea_popescu: anarkitty. hey, this creates a new usecase for gribble. leave a note for osmeone, remember their name.
BingoBoingo: https://bitcointa.lk/index.php?topic=639298.0
assbot: Full Dox: BTC-ARBS.COM (and their undeniable links to HYIPs) | Bitcointa.lk
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo for what it's worth the dilemma is irreducible.
BingoBoingo: !up ansc
mircea_popescu: on one hand, the slipped up theory is convincing. on the other hand, the sort of scammer/internet fraudster depicted often tries to run a hosting business on the side
mircea_popescu: so it may be a clueless noob that got a GREAT webhosting offer
ansc: anyone seen this latest idiocy: http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/290ed010-f567-11e3-91a8-00144feabdc0.html?siteedition=intl#axzz34snzDqLe
assbot: Financial Times | Error | Akamai Error
ansc: ok anyway, it's about the fed imposing exit fees on bond funds.
mircea_popescu: not surprising.
mircea_popescu: actually... i think it was predicted here months ago :p
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: It is indeed astounding how the bad habits of both groups align this way
BingoBoingo: A and B are indistiguishable at x,y because they do the same thing at that point.
BingoBoingo: !up Vexual
BingoBoingo: I wonder if herbi will ever try his hand at ATC again
Vexual: didn't you take all his moneys?
BingoBoingo: Vexual: Sure, at the time, but noa his is busy with OMG acquisitions!!! in his most recent messages.
Mats_cd03: lol you're a douche
BingoBoingo: Mats_cd03: Douches are good, they are a force for cleansing
punkman: this curses stuff is enough to make me curse, but it's getting there: http://i.imgur.com/Jj0xIdi.png
fluffypony: punkman: looks great
Vexual: neato
BingoBoingo: Nice punkman
ansc: interesting that the odds are so much in favor of btc with brk/a trading @189k
punkman: now it tells me when I've already bet on a proposition and calculates the total along with hypothetical bets. Handy for topping up a bet
BingoBoingo: Nice
ansc: so one could calculate the implicit interest rate of btc based on these probabilities
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8142 @ 0.00082492 = 6.7165 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: ansc: Well, I think the tool being tried for the effort at large now is f.mpif
BingoBoingo: !mpif
assbot: BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021664 BTC (Total: 433.28 BTC). Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.00021703 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: !jd mpif
assbot: Current MPIF account balance on Just-Dice: 171.02517117 BTC; +0.16054045 BTC (+0.0940%) since last check 11h 38m 47s ago.
Naphex: BingoBoingo: we're going live with EUR/USD next week. will you be sticking to ron or going for EUR/USD?;p
punkman: did klye re-ipo?
BingoBoingo: punkman: We can all hope so
BingoBoingo: Naphex: It depends on how the book looks. I'll prolly announce the June or July statement if I've moved into that pairing or not, pending consultation with the general manager. I'll watch at for least weeks, emphasis plural, before making a decision.
BingoBoingo: Naphex: In BTC/Fiat I am exceedingly cautions
BingoBoingo: I inhere the properties of cautions
Naphex: probably best:p
BingoBoingo: Naphex: I'm trading by hand so any moves into fiat occur only when I'm awake and ready to put in a lower bid very soon after fulfillment. << As this in in the chan it is an official disclosure. Nao.. Good luck figuring out my sleep wake cycle... if there is a discernable one.
Naphex: i don't trade at all
BingoBoingo: I as mentioned before really didn't start until I beat herbi. Before I occasionally bet substituting exchanges for bookies.
Naphex: how are you likeing it doing it as a full time job?
Naphex: or not full time
BingoBoingo: I do this pretty much as I mention in the statements. It's a thing... I do it. I'll offer a range of more than most actual work the lowest performing civil servants do, but still less than nubbins` when he is in extreme focused art mode. (I estimate that to be between 0 and all of the hours in a week)
thestringpuller: what hppened to pity the pool?
BingoBoingo: ?
thestringpuller: its down for me
thestringpuller: !up Vexual
BingoBoingo: %diff
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 715369.85 Est. Next Diff: 430092.04 in 660 blocks (#36288) Est. % Change: -39.88
BingoBoingo: Really?
thestringpuller: yea
BingoBoingo: %tslb
atcbot: 21 minutes and 6 seconds
thestringpuller: can you reach atc.pitythepool.com
BingoBoingo: I wouldn't know how. My fumbling attemps at mining never met going to a pool
BingoBoingo: http://www.slate.com/blogs/weigel/2014/06/17/sen_claire_mccaskill_dissects_dr_oz_for_weight_loss_scams.html
assbot: Sen. Claire McCaskill dissects Dr. Oz for weight loss scams.
BingoBoingo: http://www.collegehumor.com/post/6973365/i-cant-believe-they-made-trophies-for-these-things
assbot: I Can't Believe They Made Trophies For These Things - CollegeHumor Post
BingoBoingo: I think one of the most important moments of my development was when as a child I learned the trophie store is an actual place
cazalla: that's a memory i have too.. i use to play soccer, cherished the ribbons and trophies, figured out you could buy yourself the biggest and engrave anything for doing nothing killed the motivation to play
Naphex: cazalla: the trick to being pro is getting paid to play :)
Naphex: not trophies
Naphex: you can scam trophies on everything :P
cazalla: i actually played with a pro, he got dumped from the aussie team this world cup though
cazalla: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luke_Wilkshire
assbot: Luke Wilkshire - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
cazalla: he bought me a he-man for my 7th birthday party
BingoBoingo: cazalla: I took away that anyone can have anything engraved and realized you can conceal success.
Naphex: mircea_popescu: http://stirileprotv.ro/stiri/social/lov-moneda-virtuala-a-tiganilor-pe-care-nu-stiu-s-o-foloseasca-ce-stiu-romii-din-stefanesti-despre-banul-de-pe-internet.html
assbot: "Ce sa facem noi cu loveaua?". Moneda tiganeasca de pe internet pe care supusii lui Cioaba nici nu stiu sa o foloseasca
Naphex: a must see :))
Naphex: Romanian Gypsy king releases gypsy coin
Naphex: called LOV
Naphex: :))
Naphex: cryptocurrency :)
fluffypony: lol really?
fluffypony: that's hilarious
Naphex: Gypsy King said next month he has meeting with US VP
Naphex: and his gonna mention LOVECoin
Naphex: they want it recognized like baitcoin
Naphex: true story
Naphex: watch the video:P
BingoBoingo: too late http://www.cryptodefense.org/#!mission/cerb
assbot: The Cryptocurrency Defense Foundation
BingoBoingo: The abject poverty of too much money http://www.slate.com/blogs/bad_astronomy/2014/06/18/nasa_funding_new_senate_bill_will_keep_us_relying_on_russians_for_rides.html
assbot: NASA funding: New Senate bill will keep us relying on Russians for rides to space.
pankkake: "us"
Naphex: http://www.cryptodefense.org/#!mission/cerb
Naphex: sry bad key :o
punkman: lolpatents
punkman: 'Amazon patents 1-click blockchain transaction'
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9061 @ 0.0008265 = 7.4889 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 25 @ 0.0687777 = 1.7194 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 26 @ 0.069 = 1.794 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: Naphex ahahaha
mircea_popescu: nice punkman
mircea_popescu: <thestringpuller> what hppened to pity the pool? << ddos wars raging
mircea_popescu: peterl has an excellent point here http://trilema.com/2014/introducing-the-d-series/#comment-101367
assbot: Introducing the D. series pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: all sorts of arbitrages suddenly open
ThickAsThieves: [04:54] <+mircea_popescu> ThickAsThieves so is atc taking over the ltc role ? /// well it *should* take over the role of all other coins of no distinction
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7300 @ 0.0008265 = 6.0335 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: <+mircea_popescu> ThickAsThieves you need a comment permalink ///hrm, i'm not sure how to enable such ... ?
ThickAsThieves: <+mircea_popescu> incidentally, what's the us black slang to denote a woman in her 20s that spends her life naked in the household of some local lord / trap star ? /// gold digger, groupie, slut -- i'm not sure proper word exists, not that this is even a common thing
ThickAsThieves: <gribble> Sent 1 week, 0 days, 11 hours, and 38 minutes ago: <BingoBoingo> Altcoin is holding me back. /// hehe, how can i help?
chetty: http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/us-patent-office-cancels-redskins-trademark-registration-says-name-is-disparaging/2014/06/18/e7737bb8-f6ee-11e3-8aa9-dad2ec039789_story.html
assbot: U.S. Patent office cancels Redskins trademark registration, says name is disparaging - The Washington Post
bitcoinpete: chetty speaking of bad words: he/she
bitcoinpete: http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/06/17/vancouver-school-boards-genderless-pronouns-not-likely-to-stick-if-history-is-any-indication/?__federated=1 ☟︎
assbot: Vancouver School Board’s genderless pronouns xe, xem, xyr not likely to stick, if history is any indication | National Post
nubbins`: "a woman in her 20s that spends her life"
thestringpuller: nubbins`: do you have a tracking number for the shirt btw?
nubbins`: chetty: cue the "counterfeit" redskins jerseys / memorabilia
nubbins`: thestringpuller: sorry, was waiting a couple days to see if more orders came in. shirt's getting printed today. tracking is too costly, most people opt out
nubbins`: you can add it if you like tho, i think it's around an extra $10
thestringpuller: ah
thestringpuller: we can discuss, i like tracking
nubbins`: $20 shipping for $15 shirt :D
nubbins`: oh and hey, did you say you wanted the #b-a / freenode text on the back?
chetty: re:redskins decision// que the counterfeit everything, trademarks just became a joke
nubbins`: ;;calc just became XD
gribble: Error: invalid syntax (<string>, line 1)
nubbins`: i mean, uh
nubbins`: just became XD
mike_c: who is 'rethink-your-strategy'? that is some skilled trolling.
mike_c: pankkake?
pankkake: no
nubbins`: http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/06/17/vancouver-school-boards-genderless-pronouns-not-likely-to-stick-if-history-is-any-indication/?__federated=1
assbot: Vancouver School Board’s genderless pronouns xe, xem, xyr not likely to stick, if history is any indication | National Post
pankkake: "We are approve of this message." https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=655464.msg7378988#msg7378988
assbot: [HAVELOCK] DataTank Mining: 1.2MW 3M Novec Immersion Cooled 2PH Mining Container
pankkake: nubbins`: French would drive them mad
nubbins`: ils seraient rendus fous XD
nubbins`: "they" generally works but would sound odd in a group setting
bitcoinpete: nubbins`: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-06-2014#723409 ☝︎
assbot: #bitcoin-assets log
nubbins`: ah haha i'm a dickhead
pankkake: the worst is job names. some can be gendered, some not, and even the French don't know what to do of them
nubbins`: chanteuse!
bitcoinpete: lol just 25 minutes late to the party
bitcoinpete: i suppose you want the cake now too?
nubbins`: D;
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 144 @ 0.06580291 = 9.4756 BTC [-] {13}
bitcoinpete: http://www.coindesk.com/bitcoin-roadshow-swag-special-car-giveaway-in-trek-america/ << these guys are from our local meet-up
assbot: North America's Bitcoin Roadshow Offers Free Car as Grand Prize
bitcoinpete: they're basically driving a kia across north america to "raise awareness"
bitcoinpete: then giving away the car or $10k worth of bitcoins
bitcoinpete: as fucking if someone takes the beat-up car instead of the coins
bitcoinpete: maybe mpex or bitbet should slap their logo on the side of this thing
bitcoinpete: i'm sure spots are for sale for an outrageous amount of money ;)
mike_c: ThickAsThieves: what do you think about creating seeds.therealaltcoin.org with node seeds.
mike_c: it's like this, you just add a bunch of A records: http://mxtoolbox.com/SuperTool.aspx?action=a%3abitseed.xf2.org&run=toolpage
assbot: Network Tools: DNS,IP,Email
pankkake: the seeds I configured in the client are probably not working anymore
mike_c: they don't appear to be returning anything
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18100 @ 0.00082933 = 15.0109 BTC [+] {2}
fluffypony: mike_c: dnsseeds don't work that way
fluffypony: they're dynamic with a low TTL
mike_c: don't work what way?
fluffypony: not hard-coded
pankkake: not necessarily
fluffypony: it's a round-robin list that's dynamically refreshed on an ongoing basis ☟︎
mike_c: well that sounds like a nice enhancement eventually
pankkake: I've done all my altcoins with simple A records I updated myself
pankkake: but yes that requires knowning about the nodes
mike_c: but right now we are at ground zero with seeding.
fluffypony: here's the source
fluffypony: https://github.com/sipa/bitcoin-seeder
assbot: sipa/bitcoin-seeder GitHub
fluffypony: not exactly rocket-science stuff
fluffypony: and easy to adapt
mike_c: so.. you're saying you'll run it ;)
mike_c: seeds.fluffypony.org
fluffypony: lol
fluffypony: if someone gets the source code working I'll gladly throw it on a box
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 17 @ 0.065 = 1.105 BTC [-]
mike_c: core dev? any spare time to port to altcoin-seeder?
thestringpuller: ;;bc,stats
thestringpuller: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 607.11, Best ask: 608.95, Bid-ask spread: 1.84000, Last trade: 608.95, 24 hour volume: 8276.71700325, 24 hour low: 592.7, 24 hour high: 616.0, 24 hour vwap: 607.271648243
gribble: Current Blocks: 306507 | Current Difficulty: 1.346258011452534E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 308447 | Next Difficulty In: 1940 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 4 days, 2 hours, 3 minutes, and 25 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
Mats_cd03: lol
punkman: that was a good pedicure, now I need a haircut
punkman: damn barber retired, gotta find a new one
chetty: http://www.infowars.com/supreme-court-agrees-to-rule-on-limiting-first-amendment/
assbot: » Supreme Court Agrees to Rule On Limiting First Amendment Alex Jones' Infowars: There's a war on for your mind!
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 206 @ 0.0289003 = 5.9535 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: punkman i hate it when that happens
nubbins`: i've been cutting my own hair for about 7 years now
nubbins`: sometimes it turns out terrible :D
Naphex: nubbins`: why would somebody cut their own hair?
nubbins`: what an odd question
nubbins`: why would anyone do anything for themselves?
punkman: it's one of those things you can't do very well on your own
Naphex: yes but why not just pay someone to do it
Naphex: you don't have to pay attention and maybe you get a sweet skull massage :)
punkman: Naphex, I cut them myself last couple of times, with a little help from the girl, since the barber is not around
punkman: my biggest problem is the shitty shampoo everyone has
mircea_popescu: nubbins` sucks his own cock, eats his own cooking, he's a solipsist.
punkman: and they use too much of it too
Naphex: :))
asciilifeform: i know plenty of people who cut their own hair.
asciilifeform: usually with electric razor.
Naphex: anything with electric razor or bald doesn't count:P
mircea_popescu: Naphex wears a pompadour.
mircea_popescu: I SEEN IT
chetty: we are on to hair cuts? what happened to the fingernail polish, ladies?
nubbins`: if i could suck my own cock i wouldn't be wasting my time on irc
fluffypony: nubbins`: you'd be on TV?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 22 @ 0.0289004 = 0.6358 BTC [+]
nubbins`: heh
nubbins`: mp, i think that's not the first time you've called me that
mircea_popescu: what rly ?
nubbins`: maybe. not that surprising i guess
mircea_popescu: chetty http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/92/Charles_Dana_Gibson00.jpg
nubbins`: Naphex: i don't pay someone else to cut my hair for the same reason i don't pay someone else to cook my food
mircea_popescu: what, never ?
nubbins`: nah, just generally
nubbins`: me going to a barber for a haircut would make as much sense as going to a restaurant for a bowl of cereal
mircea_popescu: very small head ?
nubbins`: bike helmet says XXL
thestringpuller: ;;ident
gribble: Nick 'thestringpuller', with hostmask 'thestringpuller!~leflor@99-39-97-12.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net', is identified as user 'thestringpuller', with GPG key id 0FF2943DA179E169, key fingerprint 6ACE36E786F39A4ADC4506DE0FF2943DA179E169, and bitcoin address None
chetty: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-06-18/putin-advisor-proposes-anti-dollar-alliance-halt-us-foreign-aggression
assbot: Putin Advisor Proposes "Anti-Dollar Alliance" To Halt US Aggression Abroad | Zero Hedge
mircea_popescu: http://www.listafirme.ro/polimedia-srl-22530016/
mircea_popescu: check out graph. to teh moonz!
mircea_popescu: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 306518 | Current Difficulty: 1.346258011452534E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 308447 | Next Difficulty In: 1929 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 4 days, 8 hours, 19 minutes, and 45 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 15413140721.7 | Estimated Percent Change: 14.48876
mircea_popescu: nuts.
Naphex: 18:24 <+nubbins`> i've been cutting my own hair for about 7 years now
Naphex: 18:24 -!- mjr_1 [~Thunderbi@] has joined #bitcoin-assets
Naphex: 18:24 <+nubbins`> sometimes it turns out terrible :D
nubbins` nods
nubbins`: and then i can't even fix it because i throw out all my scissors and clippers when i'm done :(
nubbins`: unlike a barber shop, where you can come in the next day for a free tune-up if you don't like what they've done
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] [PAID] 27.09655160 BTC to 9`095 shares, 297928 satoshi per share
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 30 @ 0.02033915 = 0.6102 BTC [-] {7}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.69867315 BTC to 9`095 shares, 18677 satoshi per share
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 457 @ 0.01949056 = 8.9072 BTC [-] {13}
mircea_popescu: ;;seen korbman
gribble: korbman was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 15 weeks, 5 days, 22 hours, 32 minutes, and 46 seconds ago: <Korbman> or else I wouldn't be on here haha :P
Mats_cd03: chetty: nails in da coffin
mircea_popescu: https://bitcointa.lk/threads/dattank-mining-any-chip-any-hardware-any-currency.330080/page-4#post-7067314 << is this guy actually using the dot to represent scalars (ie, as opposed to vectors) or wtf notation is that
assbot: DatTank Mining: any chip, any hardware, any currency | Page 4 | Bitcointa.lk
mircea_popescu: first derivative ?
fluffypony: still a better post than Jimmothy's comment on GPG
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 40 @ 0.06329633 = 2.5319 BTC [-] {4}
mircea_popescu: no argument but im fucking curious, it makes no sense
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: with 30k usd profit, it is not too adventurous a guess that polimedia does not house mpex ?
mircea_popescu: course not
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6664 @ 0.00082981 = 5.5299 BTC [+] {2}
punkman: Fun fact: out of 10310 bitbets, only 313 have lost money betting on the winning side, and only 100 of those had a weight of 10k ☟︎
punkman: *more than 10k
mircea_popescu: and total value lost ?
punkman: 1.55 BTC
mircea_popescu: heh. out of 10k.
punkman: pretty good
mircea_popescu: whoa uspo cancelled redskins trademark ?!
mircea_popescu: bwahgah
mircea_popescu: o look, south africa actually uses the ancient dce concept. nao i don't need to fumble trying to explain to people what domicile means anymoar! just reference south african law!
mircea_popescu: thank you internets
punkman: another tidbit: 52.3 % of bets picked the winning side, with total gain of 2644 BTC
mircea_popescu: total net gain ?
punkman: yes
mircea_popescu: interesting.
punkman: total amount in 9393 BTC, gain 2633 BTC
mircea_popescu: punkman you gonna collect all this in a blog post ?
punkman: it will be in the app
mircea_popescu: and what's average time ?
fluffypony: heh
fluffypony: we're cool that way
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: I still use DCE when drawing up an MoU for a freelancer in another country
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31650 @ 0.00082842 = 26.2195 BTC [-] {3}
fluffypony: hard habit to break
mircea_popescu: i thought it was mostly forgotten as a legal term cca 1898 or something
moiety: ah chicago http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/chicago-nuns-take-strip-club-to-court-for-raucous-music-used-condoms-and-neon-lights-9545855.html
assbot: Chicago nuns take strip club to court for 'raucous music, used condoms and neon lights' - Americas - World - The Independent
benkay: dce?
mircea_popescu: benkay http://blog.spagni.net/posts/2014-04-28/ grep domicilium
assbot: How to fail gracefully as a Bitcoin business
fluffypony: benkay: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domicilium_citandi_et_executandi
assbot: Domicilium citandi et executandi - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
mircea_popescu: anyway, imo the fiat approach is naive.
fluffypony: everyone seems to be doing it lately
fluffypony: valuing things entirely in fiat
fluffypony: and then almost as an afterthought "ohey, fundraising is in Bitcoin and so are dividend payments"
mircea_popescu: yeah, that's totally a good reason :D
fluffypony: lol
mircea_popescu: what i mean is specifically this : that the construction of recourse and remedy on the infrastructure of fiat is not going to work.
mircea_popescu: if it were going to work, fiat-based intl merchants wouldn't have such a fucking headache.
mircea_popescu: consider the earlier case described by altucher.
mircea_popescu: why did "bill" and everyone else involved seem to think that once the 10mn is wired, that's it, the fraudster won ?
mircea_popescu: why, specifically because the fiat method does not work.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.06899789 = 0.69 BTC [-]
fluffypony: I agree with that - it was more to show that personal liability is always an option on the fiat side (reckless trading etc.), so this idea that you can burn a registered company and walk away and start a new one is also flawed
fluffypony: because that's the other thing that seems to be big, especially on the forums
fluffypony: "I can show business registration papers so therefore"
mircea_popescu: depends if you make a business of it or not.
fluffypony: like registering a business in and of itself makes it flawless
mircea_popescu: if you do, you can. if you're random joe blow you can not, but then again this stuff is not for you anyway,
fluffypony: yep
asciilifeform: burn a registered company and walk away and start a new one << interesting historical degenerate case: russia during lenin's 'NEP' - 20s - folks would close a firm immediately prior to tax day, open new one the day after with same assets
benkay: "CAN I HAVE BITCOINZ NOA?" << lol
mircea_popescu: so it's really a blind alley : those on whom it'd work are probably the same set that think "bitcoin is bad" or w/e
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform and even so soviet tax collection was better than the tsar's.
asciilifeform: ('nep' was an experiment with limited 'backslide' into capitalism)
asciilifeform: result was a miniature preview of the 'roaring '90s'
mircea_popescu: which brings an interestin point.
punkman: mircea_popescu: average time from winning bet placement to resolution is 42 days
mircea_popescu: i wasn't watching at the time, but did ayone in the early 90s/late 80s say hey, lenin's nep previewed what'll happen here ?
mircea_popescu: punkman ty!
asciilifeform: oh sure they did
asciilifeform: plenty of folks knew exactly how it would roll.
mircea_popescu: ;;calc (2633 / 9393) ** (42/365)
gribble: 0.863856328733
mircea_popescu: 86% pa.
fluffypony: btw benkay - http://stealth.openwall.net/xSports/shocker.c
fluffypony: docker breakout PoC
punkman: 9393 was only the winners' input btw
benkay: "don't run strange"
asciilifeform: http://cryptome.org/2014/06/nsa-spiegel-snowden-14-0618.pdf << 200 pgs. of new crapolade ☟︎
benkay: crapolades
benkay: accocraps
benkay: derpocalypse
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20500 @ 0.0008269 = 16.9515 BTC [-] {3}
asciilifeform: all the good bits carefully censored out.
chetty: http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/Graffiti-Suspect-Francisco-Canseco-Tagged-Courtroom-263528431.html
assbot: Brazen Graffiti Suspect Tagged Courtroom: Officials | NBC 7 San Diego
benkay: http://trilema.com/2014/people-us-dollars-are-not-worth-a-fifth-of-a-bitcent-stop-selling/#footnote_1_55053 // not strong, someday smart.
assbot: People! US Dollars are not worth a fifth of a Bitcent. STOP SELLING! pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
chetty thinks MP has been reading tea leaves again// "- I suppose you’ve never learned of the law that protects people’s rights and propety…"
chetty: goes so nice with theft of redskins trademark
asciilifeform: as i understand, not quite stolen yet - just some of the bolts holding it down removed.
asciilifeform: there are still state-level trademarks, afaik
chetty: the states stand up so well to the feds these days
asciilifeform: http://imgur.com/48WRuJ6,W7nuzd8#0
assbot: turdomatic - Imgur
asciilifeform: ^ choice turdlets
punkman: asciilifeform: what's that
asciilifeform: punkman: snippets from the new spiegel collection
chetty: asciilifeform, greping for ips? wish I had some time for funs
Naphex: mircea_popescu: lol http://fundatiabitcoin.ro/
assbot: Fundatia Bitcoin Romania | Sustine Bitcoin
fluffypony: lol
asciilifeform: Radu Georgescu << gecad ?
Naphex: yes
Naphex: or coinzone or whatever
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 90 @ 0.01979875 = 1.7819 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.06550729 = 0.6551 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 25 @ 0.06323412 = 1.5809 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17600 @ 0.00082375 = 14.498 BTC [-] {4}
mthreat: asciilifeform: that nsa-spiegel-snowden PDF is pretty interesting. It seems like Germany is basically part of the "five eyes" countries, which would make it "six eyes"
asciilifeform: mthreat: the bnd thing is old hat.
asciilifeform: muppet state.
asciilifeform: (not to be confused with 'puppet state')
benkay: <mircea_popescu> incidentally, what's the us black slang to denote a woman in her 20s that spends her life naked in the household of some local lord / trap star ? // video ho in the rap industry
benkay: punkman: that's lookin all right man
mike_c: yeah, very cool. when do we get to play with it?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4850 @ 0.00082603 = 4.0062 BTC [+]
davout: how does this guy get resolved if the auction is kept private? --> http://bitbet.us/bet/951/silk-road-coin-auction-extravaganza/
assbot: BitBet - Silk Road Coin Auction Extravaganza :: 1.39 B (58%) on Yes, 0.99 B (42%) on No | closing in 1 week 1 day| weight: 92`453 (100`000 to 1)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 45 @ 0.0635 = 2.8575 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 12 @ 0.06349999 = 0.762 BTC [-] {3}
los_pantalones: does anyone know if the us govt has control the private keys on the silk road wallets ?
los_pantalones: i was always under the impression that they didn't have control of that
asciilifeform: los_pantalones: dpr might be sitting on a stake as we speak, coughing up the keys
los_pantalones: hmm
los_pantalones: color me skeptical
mike_c: possiblity? SR coins can be sold now. DPR coins can't be sold until conviction.
mike_c: ianal
los_pantalones: yes, i think that is true
los_pantalones: but still only theoretically
fluffypony: that's the way I understood it too
los_pantalones: fluffypony you understood that was the process or that the feds do not have the private keys
los_pantalones: or both
fluffypony: both
los_pantalones: tyvm
los_pantalones: i thought i was crazy
fluffypony: they don't have the keys (at least not that they've admitted to), but once they have them they can beat the keys out of him with a wrench
fluffypony: Joe "The Plumber" Kazinsci will work his wrench magic on DPR
los_pantalones: ha, idk, i don't doubt they will try
los_pantalones: but if it comes AFTER the conviction
los_pantalones: why would he care
los_pantalones: "welcome to jail for life"
FabianB: $traded
empyex: FabianB: Traded in last 24 hours: S.MPOE X.EUR
benkay: ;;later tell BingoBoingo herbi's back?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
chetty: http://www.coindesk.com/list-possible-silk-road-bitcoin-bidders-allegedly-leaked-us-marshals/
assbot: List of Possible Silk Road Bitcoin Bidders Allegedly Leaked by US Marshals
asciilifeform: 'Avarus, Inc. (“we”, “us”, “our”) was incorporated under the laws of the State of Delaware on September 20, 2010. The Company was originally organized as a “blank check” shell Company to investigate and acquire a target company or business seeking the perceived advantages of being a publicly held corporation.' << lol!
trinque: chetty: amateurs
davout: the list is genuine
punkman: mike_c: fresh out of the oven https://bitbucket.org/abfg/bitbet.py/src
assbot: abfg / bitbet.py / source / — Bitbucket
mike_c: nice
punkman: no it's 15kb of pure horror
kakobrekla: title = AttrMap(Filler(Text(['BITBET.PY', '\n', 'DELUXE EDITION'],align='center'),valign='middle'), 'banner') < WIN
kakobrekla: only amazing edition can top that
punkman: there's some work to get to AMAZING
punkman: why isn't the hashbang working, how do I linux?
mike_c: don't you need a space?
mike_c: #! /usr/whatever
mike_c: doesn't look like it, ignore me.
punkman: oops forgot chmod +x
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9350 @ 0.00082697 = 7.7322 BTC [+] {2}
nubbins`: heh
nubbins`: nanotube, first name on the list
Naphex: so there is a list of bidders
Naphex: pretty interesting
Naphex: anyone did any intel on the bidders yet?
thestringpuller: nanotube is an associate professor
thestringpuller: never really knew his real name
Naphex: anyone got the full bcc?
los_pantalones: i think that was the full list
los_pantalones: don't think there were any bcc
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 18 @ 0.06943859 = 1.2499 BTC [+] {2}
los_pantalones: !up 1337
FabianB: 1 != l
los_pantalones: !up 1337
chetty: !up l337
l337: oh, thanks chetty
chetty: yw
l337: why couldn't you do it, los_pantalones?
FabianB: because 1 != l
l337: ah, didn't notice that
l337: regarding this http://trilema.com/2014/people-us-dollars-are-not-worth-a-fifth-of-a-bitcent-stop-selling/
assbot: People! US Dollars are not worth a fifth of a Bitcent. STOP SELLING! pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
l337: is MP pricing bitcoin @ $10k, did I get that right?
chetty: well he is making a point about not selling cheap if you got em to hold
chetty: I dont think we actually have very good price signals atm
bitstein: We don't.
l337: what would constitute a good price signal tho?
punkman: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7909791
assbot: Code Spaces data and backups deleted by hackers | Hacker News
punkman: clown-based backups
fluffypony: "Our backups were powered by Usagi"
fluffypony: I wish that was in there :(
punkman: better link http://beta.slashdot.org/story/203503
assbot: Code Spaces Hosting Shutting Down After Attacker Deletes All Data - Slashdot
davout: los_pantalones Naphex i have 21 more e-mail addresses in mine
los_pantalones: oh, fo realz? why didn't they get dox'd with the rest ?
los_pantalones: and are you bidding or just asked them a question ?
los_pantalones: sorry, per'aps that was something i shouldn't have asked
chetty: davout, +1 spy skills
davout: there are a few addresses that have no associated name, a couple folks that lead to multiple google hits
davout: also no, i'm not bidding, and i didn't inquire
los_pantalones: oh, got it
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16541 @ 0.00082894 = 13.7115 BTC [+]
chetty: !up l337
FabianB: l337: if you lurk a few month you'll know better
l337: will do
FabianB: l337: if you don't look short-time you might realize it's not current fiat/btc price that matters
l337: I seem to know that already, it's the long-term value I am interested in
fluffypony: long-term I already know the price of Bitcoin
fluffypony: by the time we hit 2030
fluffypony: 1 Bitcoin will = 1 Bitcoin
fluffypony: you heard it here first
fluffypony: tell your kids
Mats_cd03: shit, nigga
fluffypony: Mats_cd03: I'm a regular prophet
fluffypony: ;;8ball will 1 Bitcoin = 1 Bitcoin by the time we hit 2030?
gribble: One would be wise to think so.
fluffypony: even gribble knows.
FabianB: too many miners don't
l337: it must be painful spending it once the dollar goes to shit
chetty: whats a dollar?
jurov: hi all, any news around X.IDIFF.JUN?
mike_c: no settlement announcement yet
mike_c: i assume that means it will be capped.
FabianB: $depth X.IDIFF.JUN
empyex: FabianB: [X.IDIFF.JUN] Bids:
empyex: FabianB: [X.IDIFF.JUN] Asks: 4806 @ 0.01189900 100000 @ 0.01190000 1 @ 0.01200000
mike_c: dangerous trading on settlement day.
davout: chetty: "whats a dollar?" <<< just a letter away from a collar
fluffypony: chetty: it's like Bitcoin but centralised and it has a random annual inflation set by this centralised issuer. also no block reward, lame.
jurov: yes, it's frozen on coinbr and I would like to close it today, tmrw will be mostly afk
mike_c: mircea_popescu hasn't said anything
jurov: that's why i'm asking
mike_c: just highlighting him :)
jurov feels derpy nao
asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hs_DORLTWLU
assbot: Nassim Taleb on Anti-Fragility - YouTube
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: ^ finally forced myself to read that book - not a fan. despite not really disagreeing with the arguments (to the extent the man bothered to make arguments)
asciilifeform: it is very reminiscent of the 'atheism books' one finds in u.s. shops. if you were never a christian, they're a total snore.
asciilifeform: herr taleb alternates between ruminating on his personal sense of brilliance and excellent pedigree, and... punching a boxer's bag. how much fun to watch a man punch a bag?
jurov: ;;calc 4250217919*2.9
gribble: 12325631965.1
jurov: def capped
mike_c: i would hope so. diff flipped on the 18th though.
jurov: did it? lol
mike_c: but since it hasn't been announced yet, i assume capped.
mike_c: (and i may or may not be talking my book here)
fluffypony: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=656861.msg7383469#msg7383469
assbot: CRYPTNEY- Bringing Crypto Currency to the Masses!
fluffypony: "If you are on my investors mailing list this is the email number. Please cross check.
fluffypony: To confirm email please match numbers.
fluffypony: Private investor email #134252"
fluffypony: lol
fluffypony: who needs gee pee gee when you have sekrit kodez on forumz
mike_c: if only there were a way to verify who wrote an email..
fluffypony: mike_c: I know
punkman: yo dawg I heard u like difficulty: "The header is signed with the coinbase transaction's private key, and the hash (SHA256(SIG(header, privkey))) of that signature is smaller than a second difficulty parameter Y. "
fluffypony: it would be a marvellous invention
punkman: http://hackingdistributed.com/2014/06/18/how-to-disincentivize-large-bitcoin-mining-pools/
assbot: How to Disincentivize Large Bitcoin Mining Pools
fluffypony: someone should add that
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9800 @ 0.00082643 = 8.099 BTC [-]
Mats_cd03: http://youtu.be/jaRsJvZgg2s
assbot: ZHU - Faded (ODESZA Remix) - YouTube
dignork: punkman: this proposition does not solve anything really. gigahash will run his private servers to solve the second puzzle, happily keeping 99% of hashing power.
punkman: I'm sure it's braindamaged
punkman: too long, didn't read
dignork: tl;dr version: we add another puzzle with controllable difficulty, which pool will have to solve, but it uses privkey, so he won't outsource it.
punkman: ah thx ;)
Mats_cd03: https://soundcloud.com/soundremedy/moby-almost-home-sound-remedy-remix
assbot: Moby - Almost Home (Sound Remedy Remix) by Sound Remedy on SoundCloud - Hear the worlds sounds
mircea_popescu: <punkman> 9393 was only the winners' input btw << well yes.
mircea_popescu: * chetty thinks MP has been reading tea leaves again// << the funny thingbeing... i don't even drink that much tea :D
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> ^ choice turdlets << ahahaha the ips are the lulzy part.
mircea_popescu: <Naphex> tre' sa fie si puletii nostri in rind cu puletii lor, nu se poa'.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 14 @ 0.065 = 0.91 BTC [-]
Naphex: mircea_popescu: omu numa prostii observa si invata vad ca
Naphex: :)
Naphex: at some point maybe people will wise up and stop comming into bitcoin like its hipster web3.0
mircea_popescu: ok so believe it or not, trilema credits just had its first hash collision. two guys with very reasonable emails + their ips hash as the same thing. who knew.
Naphex: the cookie hashing scheme seemed a bit lacking
mircea_popescu: Naphex not gonna happen. remember patriciu thinking he's going to be rich by copying berlusconi (adevarul),
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8100 @ 0.00082578 = 6.6888 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: or that sad sad mic.ro debacle ?
mircea_popescu: ;;google moartea ca o veste buna
gribble: Octombrie 2010 pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/2010/10>; Lifespiel pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/category/lifespiel/>; La mormantul lui ARSENIE BOCA. Parintele a lasat cu limba de ...: <http://intamplarisavante.wordpress.com/2010/11/28/la-mormantul-lui-arsenie-boca-parintele-a-lasat-cu-limba-de-moarte-ca-nimeni-sa-nu- (1 more message)
mircea_popescu: bah
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2010/moartea-ca-o-veste-buna/
assbot: Moartea ca o veste buna pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: that should prolly be in english
Naphex: doubt it would sound that good in english
Naphex: romanian has a good way of adding feeling into writing :)
mircea_popescu: i guess so.
mircea_popescu: los_pantalones: does anyone know if the us govt has control the private keys on the silk road wallets ? << they claim they do.
mircea_popescu: sort -of, kinda.
penguirker: New blog post: http://trilema.com/2014/xidiffjun-has-settled-2/
mircea_popescu: fluffypony: they don't have the keys (at least not that they've admitted to), but once they have them they can beat the keys out of him with a wrench << this is a dubious proposition at best.
mircea_popescu: the difference between us being, of course, that i've had occasion to beat things out of people.
TheNewDeal: MP, i thought the US has the wallets, but they do not have the password to unencrypt
mircea_popescu: all too often it goes like http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-d5yU-aQ34
assbot: CASINO(1995) TORTURE SCENE.. - YouTube
Naphex: here is a question, will USMS send the bitcoin to the winer or give him private keys/paper wallet?:)
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal right.
TheNewDeal: surprised he didn't have it backed up anywhere?
TheNewDeal: I am surprised *
mircea_popescu: they don't have the EXCLUSIVE now do they
mircea_popescu: info wants to be free.
mircea_popescu: for all the usg knows, we all have a copy, and the keys, and are sitting here lolling at their punk ass.
TheNewDeal: what do you mean exclusive, like the sole copy?
mircea_popescu: ya
mircea_popescu: punkman: no it's 15kb of pure horror << lol make it longer!
mircea_popescu: btw, if the usms manages to get SCAMMED out of the sale...
fluffypony: needs moar whitespace!
mircea_popescu: o boy. that'll be the lol of all time.
fluffypony: http://i.imgur.com/at1Klvk.jpg
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13013 @ 0.00082547 = 10.7418 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller: never really knew his real name << http://trilema.com/2011/fetele-bitcoin-ului-episodul-iii/ like.
assbot: Fetele bitcoin-ului, episodul III pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
asciilifeform: usms manages to get SCAMMED << had urge to bet on this, immediately after the press release. then understood that probably 'badBet.'
mircea_popescu: gotta read trilemaz.
mircea_popescu: punkman: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7909791 << clearly usagi has a future.
assbot: Code Spaces data and backups deleted by hackers | Hacker News
BingoBoingo: Bitpay continues burning money at an alarming rate http://valleywag.gawker.com/there-will-be-a-bitcoin-ncaa-bowl-game-1592534915/+laceydonohue
assbot: There Will Be a Bitcoin NCAA Bowl Game
mircea_popescu: Mats_cd03: shit, nigga << my words exactly :D
Naphex: mircea_popescu: was that interview in romanian or translated?
TheNewDeal: 3 year sponsorship... dman
mircea_popescu: translated. nanotube doesn't yet speak it
BingoBoingo: TheNewDeal: So 3-10 million burned
mircea_popescu: o hey, less than neobee
TheNewDeal: maybe even less
mircea_popescu: course, cyprus advertising is kinda useless
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo 2.5ish afaik
mircea_popescu: jurov: hi all, any news around X.IDIFF.JUN? << was announced.
mircea_popescu: mike_c ^
mike_c: i saw. wise decision.
BingoBoingo: 2.5 ish is stil close to 10% of their last fundraising round
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: herr taleb alternates between ruminating on his personal sense of brilliance and excellent pedigree, and... punching a boxer's bag. how much fun to watch a man punch a bag? << kinda why i wanted him to come here.
mircea_popescu: it's my estimation that he's like a russian hound running with pudels,
mircea_popescu: which is the worst thing that can happen to the hound. the poodles... well... what do they care.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo btw, do you know about how much a round COSTS ?
mircea_popescu: <mike_c> i saw. wise decision. << haha why, did it make you moneyz ?
mike_c: it might have :)
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: No, but I assume it costs a lot of sweat and treasure... and equity
mircea_popescu: fluffypony: who needs gee pee gee when you have sekrit kodez on forumz << epic lol
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo it costs money.
mircea_popescu: you gotta pay all sorts of people, and generally upfront fees.
mircea_popescu: this is why corps that blow a round and surivive are so rar.
mircea_popescu: e
mircea_popescu: also exactly where the vc wants them : once they're in the ring they pretty much gotta close, no matter what the termsheet.
mircea_popescu: the other side of course has no such constraints.
mircea_popescu: "Confirmado: no hay precio para el dólar. Nadie vende, solo compran a $ 12.30".
TheNewDeal: called that xdiff june was underrated
mircea_popescu: the peso looks well in trouble lol
TheNewDeal: which peso? so many
mircea_popescu: argentine
mircea_popescu: this country is getting so fucken sweet...
benkay: lol except for the machinery
benkay: how on earth are you supposed to run a machine shop when they hold your mills at the border?
mircea_popescu: "Overall, it provides a gentle fix to the recent GHash fiasco"
mircea_popescu: derp.
mircea_popescu: i guess scammers and academics will never stfu are they
benkay: seriously mircea_popescu how can one have a good time without CNC machinery?
mircea_popescu: why without ?
benkay: how to get a big-boy mill into ars?
mircea_popescu: The header is signed with the coinbase transaction's private key, and the hash (SHA256(SIG(header, privkey))) of that signature is smaller than a second difficulty parameter Y.
mircea_popescu: how the fuck can current miners preserve ths investment lmao
mircea_popescu: benkay you import it, like anything else ?
benkay: except that it gets stopped at the border.
mircea_popescu: "This mechanism is easy to devise following a community discussion that establishes the principles"
mircea_popescu: holy hell already.
mircea_popescu: benkay who told you this ? and why ?
mircea_popescu: anyway, gotta broadway nao. laters.
benkay: some argentinian. to keep me from doing things?
TheNewDeal: you can't import cnc equipment into argentina?
benkay: the word i got was that large, tech-heavy equipment gets stalled at the border. ☟︎
TheNewDeal: who's going to run a cnc shop? I work on cnc equipment at the moment
benkay: but i'd just looooooove to plop down 600k to test the theory.
benkay: it's on the list of things to buy, TheNewDeal .
TheNewDeal: we could import it in parts and then bujild it
TheNewDeal: you*
benkay: hue
TheNewDeal: ewe
dignork: just funny: http://techcrunch.com/2014/06/18/bitcoin-auction/
assbot: US Marshall Accidentally Reply-Alls Anonymous Bitcoin Auction Bidders In Email Fiasco | TechCrunch
TheNewDeal: noooo way
TheNewDeal: oh that's lame, they showed the email with blacked out names
dignork: TheNewDeal: dunno who blacked the names, somebody got the full list though
TheNewDeal: techcrunch did
dignork: usms later said that these are not bidders, just people that where asking for clarifications
TheNewDeal: or at least that is what the article claims
TheNewDeal: in other news, "US Marshal only spelled with one L"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5136 @ 0.00082459 = 4.2351 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: benkay: i hear they'll let your machine through if you bring it as... carry-on baggage
TheNewDeal: good luck with that
TheNewDeal: you're asking for many questions from people who will be very suspicious and will not understand your answers
asciilifeform carried a fat oscilloscope and ominous-looking crate with sample boards through u.s, german, romanian customs; nobody blinked an eye
asciilifeform: i suppose if your cargo looks immediately valuable, you might have problems.
TheNewDeal: thats ridiculous
TheNewDeal: o-scope was phat though
jurov: you should have painted it as doomsday device
TheNewDeal: nuclear warning
asciilifeform: take analog scope, glue fins.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 51 @ 0.068 = 3.468 BTC [+] {2}
TheNewDeal: how expensive is an analog scope?
asciilifeform: TheNewDeal: if you make the right friends - free.
asciilifeform: TheNewDeal: if you want a new unit with reasonable bandwidth - a few $K.
TheNewDeal: thats what I was seeing when I looked it up. quite amazed
asciilifeform: it'll put you over the weight limit for most airlines, though.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.06987478 = 0.6987 BTC [+]
TheNewDeal: 50 pounds?!?
asciilifeform: approx
TheNewDeal: whaaaaat
asciilifeform: varies.
TheNewDeal: thats ridiculous
asciilifeform: analogue scope has its virtues. as i understand, most tech types own both kinds.
TheNewDeal: what do they have in university labs? I always assumed those ones were very inexpensive
asciilifeform: TheNewDeal: usually chinese digital scopes, like mine
TheNewDeal: ahhhh
asciilifeform: depends on the uni
TheNewDeal: of course
asciilifeform: mine must've had a good payola year, because they had costly hp units
TheNewDeal: oOo
BingoBoingo: http://arstechnica.com/security/2014/06/hacker-infects-synology-storage-devices-makes-off-with-620000-in-dogecoin/
assbot: Hacker infects Synology storage devices, makes off with $620,000 in Dogecoin | Ars Technica
TheNewDeal: ascii why did you say that buproprion is useless?
asciilifeform: TheNewDeal: useless is perhaps wrong word
asciilifeform: pharmacologically weak, like 'nonalcoholic' beer, rather.
asciilifeform: you can get 'real' dopamine reuptake inhibitors - but in dark alley, not pharmacy. ☟︎
assbot: Last 4 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2Q980S5.txt )
BingoBoingo: !b 4 ✂︎
BingoBoingo: I'm telling you that cholorine atom on the ring is the only thing holding it back from greatness and success in the back alley
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: snip it, add a methyl, ---> methcathinone
asciilifeform: (brief career as antidepressant in ussr)
TheNewDeal: what is the way to rate a dopamine reuptake inhibitor
asciilifeform: now a kitchen favourite in usa
asciilifeform: *snip methyl
BingoBoingo: It's really amazing how many catecholemine affecting drugs are merely the base chemical with various things snipped or tacked on...
BingoBoingo: Entirely different effects built from the same core https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propanolol#mediaviewer/File:Propranolol-skeletal.svg
assbot: Propranolol - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
asciilifeform: http://imgur.com/JlsaEDI << drug for ThePoor (tm)
assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
BingoBoingo: lol
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: http://i34.tinypic.com/34sqzx2.jpg
TheNewDeal: you two are ridiculous
jurov: dudes and gals, you were really in bashful mood recently
jurov: 22 quotes added
Naphex: "The Amazon phone is finally here: Amazon unveils the Fire Phone" -> http://boygeniusreport.files.wordpress.com/2014/05/bgr-amazon-smartphone-kindle-fire-phone.jpg?w=952&h=575&crop=1
Naphex: so.. iphone with windows ui, got it
Naphex: lousy name for a product though, fire phone
mike_c: i think amazon runs custom droid builds
jurov: !up justlurking
jurov: !up dignork
punkman: but jurov he only wanted to lurk
justlurking: thanks jurov; I'm here pre-Yeshiva
BingoBoingo: justlurking: Another one of Pete's jews?
benkay: lol
TheNewDeal: lol
BingoBoingo: justlurking: You could do the thing I did, pick a silly name and then later find out you are stuck with it.
justlurking: probably?
benkay: that will definitely happen.
benkay: pick a name you like and use it.
justlurking: yep, starting my 6 month indoctrination thanks to pete