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hanbot: in bootstrapping adventures, it looks like the flow for a machine that knows to v to get vtools going is like so: grab some ancient v, ie mod6's v.py, use it to press phf's vtools vpatch, then eat phf's v.py "updated for vtools", then press vtools to keccak head. anyone feel like spotting this for me?
a111: Logged on 2019-02-17 15:50 mircea_popescu: some time to look at things and consider matters will be needed ; but i specifically want to hear something from asciilifeform ave1 bvt diana_coman phf spyked trinque
mircea_popescu: some time to look at things and consider matters will be needed ; but i specifically want to hear something from asciilifeform ave1 bvt diana_coman phf spyked trinque ☟︎☟︎☟︎☟︎☟︎
asciilifeform: ( try it, by clicking from phf's log )
asciilifeform: in ru there are some decent microscopists ( not the 1 phf went to, but apparently others. ) for instance, very recently found that К1801 ( sovok 'pdp-11' single-chip ) was ~not~ in fact a photoclone of dec's (only the early '80s demo ver was!) but , turns out, entirely indigenous orc design, with coupla x ~fewer~ transistors and yet faster max clock ☟︎☟︎☟︎
asciilifeform: ohai phf
trinque: phf: ^ this familiar at all?
a111: Logged on 2019-02-12 06:29 phf: asciilifeform: there's also sgi machines with their famously well built x11 implementation. i believe there's no source for that one though
mircea_popescu: phf you mean on the logs ?
asciilifeform: phf et al : 1 of asciilifeform's ancient backburner crackpotteries is... an iron x terminal. ( these -- existed, but would be imho useful to have a proper one, that 1) runs off rom 2) can drive N large displays )
a111: Logged on 2019-02-09 20:15 mircea_popescu: in short -- i don't merely wish to import x and then end up in bullshit "kde vs gnome" faux "dilemma"s of the femstate ilk. i wish to import x in such a way as to have a sane stack. which is why i wanna saddle phf with it.
a111: Logged on 2017-06-17 03:45 phf: it still works though when xterm is asking you for password because xterm doesn't know it's a password entry, and doesn't do a grab
a111: Logged on 2017-06-17 03:45 phf: but if you were to actually repeat that same exercise when gnupg pinentry is asking you for password you'll see that it doesn't work
a111: Logged on 2017-06-17 03:44 phf: if you simply load an x app, attach it to root, and start grabbing all the events then you can come to same conclusion as any random chick with a blog "omg all teh events"
a111: Logged on 2017-06-17 03:28 phf: sina: could you explain the difference between how keylogger issue manifests in x11 vs. how wayland prevents it, with some technical details?
a111: Logged on 2017-06-17 03:36 phf: see architecturally wayland and x11 couldn't be more different. x11 supports a special network protocol that lets clients from different sources connect to the same instance of x. for example you can have a client from a different user on the same machine or a client from a network source (like over ssh)
mircea_popescu: in short -- i don't merely wish to import x and then end up in bullshit "kde vs gnome" faux "dilemma"s of the femstate ilk. i wish to import x in such a way as to have a sane stack. which is why i wanna saddle phf with it. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: it would be, which is why i'm tryna volunteer this guy. hey phf you about ?
mircea_popescu: the one thing gabriel ladel did manage, get phf ranting about cairo, sgi, x, permission models, where the fuxck was it
mircea_popescu goes to dig for phf 's original x rant... that thing was something else.
trinque: hanbot: two things. one, you'll need to build phf's vtools and have that available in the build environment. the build wont generate a genesis.vpatch without it.
BingoBoingo: Mocky: The things it plugs into tend not to work the way expected on other systems. phf and pete_duskenski both ran into this iirc
asciilifeform: imho this is great format ( tho phf hasn't baked the eater of it yet )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if you do, get the x60 ( asciilifeform , phf, using w/ patched bios & old gentoo )
asciilifeform: ohai phf
mircea_popescu: phf linked, yes.
lobbesbot: phf: Sent 1 week, 0 days, and 15 hours ago: <asciilifeform> plox to snarf ch.16, ty
mircea_popescu: hey phf ben_vulpes and, i guess Framedragger : can i prevail upon you to have (just one) logotron recognize [url][anchor] syntax and render it as <a href=url>anchor</a> instead of the literal ?
a111: Logged on 2017-01-25 17:57 asciilifeform: unrelatedly, if phf or anybody else has a copy of mulisp-90, plz to post.
mircea_popescu: i expect phf at the very least will muchly love a republican drakma.
asciilifeform: nao this is interesting ( i assume both of you used phf's modern vdiff, which as far as anyone knows is 100% deterministic and dun import 'locale' crapolade like the ancient one did )
asciilifeform: incidentally i expect that results from 'does ffa build' carry over to errybody who is currently using a ffa-derived gpr config ( this includes diana_coman , iirc , and possibly phf )
a111: Logged on 2016-08-02 16:13 mircea_popescu: phf allow me to quote to you from modern tolkien : "The heir apparent, Crown Prince Maha Vajiralongkorn, is poorly regarded in Thailand and the succession has clouded the brows of not only the Thai political elite, but the Thai people, who believe a period of substantial instability will follow the King's death"
shinohai: I am observing new trb node I hadn't seen previously, from "Mir Telematiki Ltd" .... is phf?
asciilifeform: meanwhile, http://btcbase.org/patches/ffa_ch16_miller_rabin.kv << ty phf !
asciilifeform: !Q later tell phf plox to snarf ch.16, ty
asciilifeform: phf: eh it's just pcb xray, not micrograph of ic
asciilifeform: ( also possibly of phf interest, the scsi replacement gadget is an a++ win, full docs at http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2943 )
asciilifeform: phf: on other front entirely, you may find interesting, asciilifeform built an xray machine, some time in coming weeks when i get coupla otherwise free hrs, will take pics of the bolix..
asciilifeform: ty phf !
asciilifeform: phf: canhaz ch15 snarf plox ?
asciilifeform: wb phf
a111: Logged on 2017-12-19 18:13 phf: i supper proper presentation of fg schematics in a v-tron is either in the style of the marine chronometer book i have next to me or not at all. "taking first the essentials, c is the escape wheel. the escapement consists of the bar E, carrying the two projections e, e' etc". everything else ought to be handled separately
a111: Logged on 2017-02-17 04:27 phf: re "apprentice as watchmaker" i picked up first edition of The Marine Chronometer by Gould. i would call it "delightful"
a111: Logged on 2018-10-11 17:08 asciilifeform: !Q later tell phf i recently found that lcd panel made by (defunkt) 'pixelqi co', pq3qi-01 , is still sold by chinese ( i have nfi if clones, or old stock ), ~100 $ ea; the thing toggles from 1024x600 colour/backlit into a 3072x600 greyscale reflector thing, worx with various lappies ( sadly not x60, it's a 16:9 )
a111: Logged on 2017-06-06 19:40 asciilifeform: mod6, phf , et al : http://nosuchlabs.com/pub/ada/horsecocks.tar.gz << i dun recall posting this before, so here it will live, for nao : unofficial release of mmaptron
a111: 2019-01-09 <phf> http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-06#1885092 << i have a couple and the first one i bought i think had that issue, i didn't bother replacing it, and after first cleaning i believe it went away, or possibly i stopped noticing. the one at my office definitely has clean clicks on all they keys, so if it bothers you perhaps worth replacing
asciilifeform: !#seen phf
asciilifeform: iirc phf attempted also to use it, to make a framebuffer driver in ada, but i dun recall if he ever returned with output
a111: Logged on 2018-11-16 23:13 asciilifeform: phf: the 'horsecocks' one requires pointerism to be enabled; the new one does not
a111: Logged on 2018-12-19 19:31 mircea_popescu: phf i expect the accumulated value of the whole pile of "secrets" is about 0. and i further expect the entire value of the whole bolix stack neatly approximates the value of my stock of pogos.
mircea_popescu: phf pre-symbolics the "theorems" were "how do i computer" in general. those guys weren't playing around with custom fpga in their garage that they failed to sell. they were basically figuring out how to build a von neumann machine that can do things, which they did
mircea_popescu: the shaver shaves universally -- it's not one shaver for phf and a diff one shaver for pizarro.
asciilifeform: phf plox to snarf ch15.
a111: Logged on 2019-01-09 11:07 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-08#1885856 << i was having some trackpad issues in india (macbook's trackpad would stop working after about an hour outside), which made me contemplate problems of mousing at sea, which made me think that it's likely that someone makes rugged trackballs for industrial application. imagine my surprised when i discovered that someone actually does.
a111: Logged on 2019-01-08 16:45 asciilifeform: in other esoterica, on gentoo 'xinput' dumps list of mice, and then 'xinput --set-prop yermousenumber 269 -1' switches off mouse-acceleration. ( possibly phf already knew this, but gives 9000x moar usable roller )
a111: Logged on 2019-01-09 11:09 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-08#1885844 << you can also switch between three acceleration modes by, i believe, holding middle button and clicking right button (or similar, should be in the manual)
a111: Logged on 2019-01-09 11:14 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-06#1885092 << i have a couple and the first one i bought i think had that issue, i didn't bother replacing it, and after first cleaning i believe it went away, or possibly i stopped noticing. the one at my office definitely has clean clicks on all they keys, so if it bothers you perhaps worth replacing
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-09#1886060 << ah ty phf , precisely what i wanted to learn ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-01-06 15:36 asciilifeform: hey phf, does the left switch on your cst billiard ball seem muffled vs the right ? i can't decide if mine's defective or not, just noticed last night..
a111: Logged on 2019-01-08 16:45 asciilifeform: in other esoterica, on gentoo 'xinput' dumps list of mice, and then 'xinput --set-prop yermousenumber 269 -1' switches off mouse-acceleration. ( possibly phf already knew this, but gives 9000x moar usable roller )
a111: Logged on 2019-01-08 16:48 asciilifeform: i dunno how phf ended up into it tho, iirc he dun cad
a111: Logged on 2019-01-09 04:53 hanbot: billymg, phf: in billymg's latest mp-wp vpatch (http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-07#1885285), i see the old "\ No newline at end of file" spew on two of the touched files (was symptom of bug last yr: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-25#1786014). still indicative of proablem with presser/patch?
a111: Logged on 2018-02-25 19:25 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-25#1785986 << i thought that it was just a helpful warning, but upon reflection i realized that this is actually a bug. investigating it further i took a wrong direction on a diff's command line flag switch, and as it stands if you see this warning it
hanbot: billymg, phf: in billymg's latest mp-wp vpatch (http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-07#1885285), i see the old "\ No newline at end of file" spew on two of the touched files (was symptom of bug last yr: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-25#1786014). still indicative of proablem with presser/patch? ☝︎☝︎☟︎
asciilifeform: might be interesting ( phf? ) to have a filter toggle that only shows people who are still alive
asciilifeform: i dunno how phf ended up into it tho, iirc he dun cad ☟︎
asciilifeform: in other esoterica, on gentoo 'xinput' dumps list of mice, and then 'xinput --set-prop yermousenumber 269 -1' switches off mouse-acceleration. ( possibly phf already knew this, but gives 9000x moar usable roller ) ☟︎☟︎
a111: Logged on 2017-12-15 01:57 phf: asciilifeform: http://downloads.cornall.co/ibm-capsense-usb/ is that what you used for your model f?
asciilifeform: ( found via phf's link from coupla yrs ago )
a111: Logged on 2019-01-04 15:12 asciilifeform: in other olds-noose, asciilifeform installed a http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-27#1674958 , and it's pretty great. ty phf !
asciilifeform: ^ phf, amberglint, possibly other 'junkyard wars' folx ^
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: phf is 9000x moar genius spy than asciilifeform , evidently -- i tried 9000 ways to sweet-talk dks into 'lemme into that warehouse', summed to 0
a111: Logged on 2019-01-06 09:42 phf: i agree that the secrecy approach doesn't work, i wasn't the driver behind it, i was skeptical about it, but i wanted to see it play out, and it failed spectacularly. i did the relevant manual labor and promised not to share what i got out of it. and yes if i thought about it, the blood oath puts me in the position of the very same whisperers, where whatever i have i can't make use of. my vague comments about old men and gold chests are
a111: Logged on 2019-01-06 09:41 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-19#1881941 was previously lost on me, so my committment outlay is a given, with the inevitable conclusion of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-19#1881910 i figured that out before the tmsr conversation, so the whole thing was just a public reveal of my idiocy, salt on the wound if you will
a111: Logged on 2019-01-06 09:44 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-05#1884837 << remote work, but you also have to remember that i moved away much later in life than you did, i have a very large meat wot here
a111: Logged on 2019-01-06 09:42 phf: the result of reflecting on the idiocy of the whole secrecy approach: i basically got suckered by promises of future great reveals, did free work while also locking myself into the selfsame structure.
asciilifeform: hey phf, does the left switch on your cst billiard ball seem muffled vs the right ? i can't decide if mine's defective or not, just noticed last night.. ☟︎
a111: Logged on 2019-01-06 09:47 phf: asciilifeform: also snarfed
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-06#1885072 << danke schon, phf. and i aint gonna kick you when yer down, we can always come back to the thread laters. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: phf i'm not going to pass in silence over the obvious "check it out, there's no women in phf's fambly, he's taking care of the last one by own hand" comment ~because~ i like you.
a111: Logged on 2019-01-05 16:44 asciilifeform: i admit that i'm at least a little curious how phf finally managed escape velocity from the bigzone, but if he doesn't feel like spilling re subj, also won't cry.
a111: Logged on 2019-01-05 14:38 mircea_popescu: so, phf : how about you start clearly communicating yourself, beginning with a complete, correct and true to life adnotation of said discussion in your own hand, because this "ima go meditate on things until everyone involved forgot what i was meditating on" isn't a workable approach to intellectual life.
lobbesbot: phf: Sent 1 week, 2 days, 6 hours, and 13 minutes ago: <asciilifeform> plox to snarf ch. 14b into http://btcbase.org/patches , ty !
a111: Logged on 2019-01-05 16:40 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-05#1884626 << i suspect phf is hunting elk in kamchatka, or similar , atm ( i.e. still waiting for http://btcbase.org/patches?patchset=ffa refresh , so i dun think he's been at console much recently )
asciilifeform: i admit that i'm at least a little curious how phf finally managed escape velocity from the bigzone, but if he doesn't feel like spilling re subj, also won't cry. ☟︎
a111: Logged on 2019-01-05 14:38 mircea_popescu: so, phf : how about you start clearly communicating yourself, beginning with a complete, correct and true to life adnotation of said discussion in your own hand, because this "ima go meditate on things until everyone involved forgot what i was meditating on" isn't a workable approach to intellectual life.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-05#1884626 << i suspect phf is hunting elk in kamchatka, or similar , atm ( i.e. still waiting for http://btcbase.org/patches?patchset=ffa refresh , so i dun think he's been at console much recently ) ☝︎☟︎
asciilifeform: ( phf if yer stuck, pleez say on what ? )
asciilifeform: the 1 phf went to implement and not yet came back with.
a111: Logged on 2018-10-06 23:51 phf: asciilifeform: i don't have binary diffing even in prototype form, if you could adaize your needleman-wunsch i could add it to vtools, the way i did with diana_coman's keccak
mircea_popescu: so, phf : how about you start clearly communicating yourself, beginning with a complete, correct and true to life adnotation of said discussion in your own hand, because this "ima go meditate on things until everyone involved forgot what i was meditating on" isn't a workable approach to intellectual life. ☟︎☟︎
a111: Logged on 2018-12-19 20:09 phf: you're constantly in logs, confused as to how anyone can get anything from anyone, yet now you're questioning my methods.
mircea_popescu: which leaves phf ; who's doing an excellent job maintaining very elegant and well done extant infrastructure, and a very terrifyingly poor job at communicating himself.
asciilifeform: feels hefty and nearly 'bakelite', like a solid 1980s periph. i can see why phf picked it up.
a111: Logged on 2017-06-27 05:12 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-27#1674891 << i've been using that one for a while, with a https://www.amazon.com/CST2545-L-Trac-Wired-Performance-Trackball/dp/B00EEFK5QQ trackball in the middle. i'm pretty happy with that setup. i've figured out how to get the firmware out of the controller, so i'm hoping to customize some of the keys (that are otherwise useless)
asciilifeform: in other olds-noose, asciilifeform installed a http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-27#1674958 , and it's pretty great. ty phf ! ☝︎☟︎
asciilifeform: phf i expect these will work in your 'xl' also.
diana_coman: asciilifeform, phf updated with my sigs for FFA ch7 and ch8: http://ossasepia.com/reference-code-shelf/#selection-627.0-665.43
asciilifeform: diana_coman: hm , i thought phf had the older ones still in there