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BingoBoingo: OpenPGP may be what the spec is called now, but GPG seems to be the only implementation that matters.
asciilifeform: here's an idea: generalize the altcoin concept and bake a turing-complete workfunction spec right into the protocol.
bgupta: mircea_popescu: discussed previously? In IRC or elsewhere? (My issue with current implementations, is the key lengths they support are too short, but the latest version of the spec seems to address that)
bgupta: Only issue I see with opengpg/gpg smartcards is that although the latest spec supports 4096bit keys, the current shipping devices don't..
BingoBoingo: Fuck this is why Bitcoin needs a mother fucking Spec.
mircea_popescu: so then 900 watt 440 gh is indeed in spec neh ?
mircea_popescu: i forget what the spec was supposed to be
jborkl: "KNC support just emailed me back saying that 440 ghash (what 50btc reports), 900 watts from the wall, and chip temps of 65-72c in a 58F room are 'within spec'...Not awesome."
mircea_popescu: there, spec. why live on rumors.
asciilifeform: without saying much more, the quick answer is: if some part of the draft spec seems illogical / bizzare / 'couldn't physically wurk', the answer is generally 'the obvious fix.'
ThickAsThieves: making a spec, out on the open
Duffer1: ya i saw that, they're really taking mining spec scam to a whole 'nother level
fractal_: the unit must be > 400Gh, and < 400W.. the unit did not meet this performance spec
fractal: mp: if bitfury sehipped more hardware, they changed the spec, and the bet was a yes..... you've contradicted yourself.
fractal: heres another bullshit sentence -- "credibly show their sample ASIC chip working to specification" what is the specification? what is the timestamp of the spec? what if Labcoin changes spec during the bet?
fractal: it failed to meet that spec
ozbot: BitBet - Hashfast will deliver ASIC devices to spec before November 1st
mircea_popescu: http://bitbet.us/bet/507/hashfast-will-deliver-asic-devices-to-spec-before/
Neil: Closest I've seen to a spec is the wiki, and that's full of holes and exceedingly vague in places
Anduck: jurov: the "will ship their 25ghash and 400gash units in time".. if there wasn't any 400 ghash units ordered in the first orders... but it's been proven that it can be built (why wouldn't it be possible? just attach the cards) and it will meet the spec
Anduck: since it's proven that 400gh unit will meet the spec
fractal: Anduck: No, its not. The bet says nothing of a KIT. it says a mining unit. Somehing that is a single prodcut attacted..... 2 seperate products adding up to more then 400Gh mean that the manufacturer missed performance spec for that unit
kleeck: Yes. What I'm seeing is the classic, "Oh come on, we all knew the intended bet!" Which isn't a sound defense. The debate must center around the words used to describe the bet. If the product is a "mining unit" and meets the spec in the bet, then Anduck is correct, else fractal is correct.
kleeck: Are the assembled kits meeting spec once made into a mining unit?
kleeck: So, they are getting kits instead of completed devices and those devices are meeting spec?
fractal: Anduck: Shipping additonal hardware because the company missed spec does not mean that there is a 400Gh UNIT
fractal: i'm trying to look at all the angles here. from what i read on the forums, it seems like punin himself has admitted it will miss spec numbers.... i guess he can lose the 10BTC, probably making 1000's w/ bitfury
Diablo-D3: came out with ver 4 of the SD spec
kakobrekla: who knows how many times will they change spec
kakobrekla: anyway no gh/w spec :\
Diablo-D3: bobbabad: instead they're written against the spec, and the spec sucks
ThickAsThieves: fleshing it out into a larger spec
ThickAsThieves: as education/reference/spec
kakobrekla: i havent checked 'spec'
ThickAsThieves: and then rework it into your spec
ThickAsThieves: hiding and reposting ask walls that were spec'd in the IPO
ThickAsThieves: The footer banner needs a spec as well
mircea_popescu: i guess i made a confusing spec originally in that i didn't correctly separate things for ppl.
ThickAsThieves: is this black edging some kind of shadow on the crest box or something, or just an awkward way to make your original spec not wrong ;)
jurov: imho, spec and scalability plan
mircea_popescu: but looky here : run a bfl bet ? bfl changes spec.
ThickAsThieves: (Gavin Andresen) I don’t foresee us formally creating a spec within the next year … actually really at all. There are so many things to work on, I would rather spend time actually developing the code than creating a spec.
ThickAsThieves: What is your opinion of libbitcoin, and are there plans to create a formal spec for Bitcoin?
ThickAsThieves: http://www.no-spec.com/
pizzaman1337: div spec for what?
kakobrekla: yes, ill ping you with div spec today
mircea_popescu: way to blow a spec lol
sikbwoy: looking for marking making opportunities on emerging BTC exchanges spec ASICMINER options
dub: which is, of course, no spec
dub: obviously for any future bets the spec those order holders agreed to last week applies
dub: inhies: fwiw the advertised specs wrt that bet are obviously the initial spec BFL released when they took their first order
inhies: kakobrekla: you said theres a spec for assbot. is there some way i could parse the trade data and send it to assbot ?
kakobrekla: i gave him the spec
benkay: is bitcoind team actively working on a spec?
benkay: to a spec?
kakobrekla: 18:58.28 ( @marco ) it is looking like we will help getting the spec in order once development slows down a little
kakobrekla: 18:57.58 ( @marco ) bitcoind is the spec essentially
kakobrekla: 18:57.57 ( @jy-p ) if you check out the godoc and comments, btcwire encodes a lot of the spec-related info
kakobrekla: 18:57.32 ( kakobrekl ) do you have any spec written? im asking because bitcoind does not
benkay: whaddaya mean by got spec?
kakobrekla: i wonder if the got spec
asciilifeform: i.e. you need actual brains to make a useful object, to spec
davout: if we don't have a proper spec by 1.0 i'm out :-)
mircea_popescu: dub lol basically bfl has found the way to prevent being humiliated by nondelivery bets : create spec confusion.
mircea_popescu: inhies rthey hadn't changed their spec midmarch yet had they ?
kakobrekla: also says _FINAL_ spec
mod6: eventually they'll get us that spec and some more dev's will be off to the races on their own client
kakobrekla: MJR_ but he paid a lot more than preorders for half the spec?
Bugpowder: maybe democracy is harder to construct than a spec bubble
Diablo-D3: the original scrypt spec doesnt allow the sizes Im talking about
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: there will be a spec, yes.
mircea_popescu: Diablo-D3 if you actually take satoshi's stuff, write A SPEC and then have some implementations
mircea_popescu: doesn't matter. spec at the time of the bet being created counts.
eyes: the spec on BFL has changed since the bet was made
KRS1337: does btc drive ltc or something or is this spec
Bugpowder_: let's be serious here. People are so desperate to get in on something 'cheap' that might explode in price, they are driving up another spec bubble in litecoin
mircea_popescu: the current troop is really sinking their future by not doing spec work now, while they still can
mircea_popescu: and then finally when 1.0 is released that's after a spec has been made
Chaang-Noi: http://images.search.yahoo.com/images/view;_ylt=A2KJkCGyuVVRDiwAfjKJzbkF;_ylu=X3oDMTBlMTQ4cGxyBHNlYwNzcgRzbGsDaW1n?back=http%3A%2F%2Fimages.search.yahoo.com%2Fsearch%2Fimages%3Fp%3Dlotus%2Bcar%26fr%3Dsfp%26fr2%3Dpiv-web%26tab%3Dorganic%26ri%3D109&w=1600&h=1200&imgurl=www.autocarsight.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2011%2F10%2F2012-Lotus-Exige-S.jpg&rurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.autocarsight.com%2Ftag%2Flotus-exige-s&size=320.2+KB&name=2012+Lotus+Exige+S+Spec
mircea_popescu: and of the 5 they're not really getting 100%, and the chips dont work to spec.
mircea_popescu: Chaang-Noi ya dude, totally. the fact that they failed to meet spec is something that makes me jelly.
kakobrekla: he asked for spec i have him spec
mircea_popescu: midnightmagic wwithout having talked to the man, it is my impression he basically wrote a spec and then hacked together a mcguyver implementation he didn't think much of
mircea_popescu: "So please, lets just admit we aren't up to spec and have never been up to spec, and focus on getting there instead of pretending that "the world is after all perfect, if requiring a little adjustment" is a bastion of software engineering."
jurov: midnightmagic you think writing spec from code is work for mokyes?
midnightmagic: Then do it. Do the work that the devs can't or won't, and build the spec.
mircea_popescu: i never got the spec and i never started caring.
jurov: yes, spec+compliance tests. personal performance is tangential
mircea_popescu: they try to maintain the client above the spec. this shall not stand.
jurov: no proof. just that 0day happens independently from spec
mircea_popescu: spec stands to code in the same relationship contract stands to trade.
Lyspooner: what's a spec
mod6: So, what I'm saying is, I think it's a really good thing to create a spec, and then everyone can punch eachother in the nuts over it until its perfect. This is the way to go.
mircea_popescu: we can pretty much derive a spec from there.
mircea_popescu: then once we have spec they can fix their fucked codebase and release a proper client
jurov: and who will do the spec? have any allies to do it together?
mircea_popescu: jurov atm the plan ios to push for spec
benkay: you mentioned something about the dev team starting work on a spec?
BingoBongo: There's the long fight over what the spec is, and then theres the awkward grace period until the spec forces people to leave the old code controlled version (unless crisis compells it earlier)
mircea_popescu: Ukto they were 60gh each, by spec iirc