MJR_: good morning everyone
MJR_: crazy about bitfloor
MJR_: but bound to happen i guess
mircea_popescu: MJR_ im resisting the urge to search through logs for me going "don't use bitfloor" at people.
MJR_: eh, it wasn't really a problem
MJR_: its the only exchange i've used
MJR_: everyone got their money out
MJR_: i believe at the moment you can still withdraw using the site..
MJR_: though trading is done
MJR_: I am sorry to announce that due to circumstances outside of our control BitFloor must cease all trading operations indefinitely. Unfortunately, our US bank account is scheduled to be closed and we can no longer provide the same level of USD deposits and withdrawals as we have in the past. As such, I have made the decision to halt operations and return all funds.
MJR_: Over the next days we will be working with all clients to ensure that everyone receives their funds. Please be patient as we process your request.
MJR_: founder - bitfloor.com
MJR_: there was a different announcement...
mircea_popescu: what of the people who were going to get repaid out of the exchange comissuion ?
Scrat: it's ok, your punishment is 10 whips
assbot: ok, get in the asswhippin line
MJR_: yeah not sure about them...
MJR_: i am going to talk to roman soon, i was texting with him
MJR_: and want to see if we can help him move offshore
kakobrekla: you think its worth saving bitfloor after all that happend there MJR_
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2800 @ 0.00070303 = 1.9685 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: maybe you are better off supporting TH wackos
jurov: well.. same happened to gox, multiple times... and we are so not supporting it :D
MJR_: i never said support
troc: <MJR_> there was a different announcement... ... ...
kakobrekla: if you help the nazis arent you supporting them?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11650 @ 0.00070303 = 8.1903 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7350 @ 0.00071248 = 5.2367 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: but im not saying you shouldnt support roman
MJR_: i meant not financially support, but offer some advice and maybe help set some things up
MJR_: so for me that is a big difference
MJR_: also, if you can get it back up again and retain customers, you could conceivably get a revenue share
MJR_: for whatever you did to get it back up again
jurov: well, btc to usd exchanges can fail many times and there will still be interest
kakobrekla: iirc preetymuch everyone was capped out
jurov: unlike my bitfunder endeavors... mpoe bonds scared everyone
jurov: and difficulty futures proll exhausted pool of BFLievers
kakobrekla: you should have some discount for them
MJR_: a guy in my office just preordered now
MJR_: i'm like "what?!?!?"
KRS1: Mine should be here any day......
MJR_: got 3 virtex 6's that i'm trying to get something going on...still
kakobrekla: its gonna be october for sure just not 2012
MJR_: BFL shocks the world by actually shipping something in 2020
gribble: Error: Problem retrieving gox lag. Try again later.
MJR_: after most people had already forgotten they were waiting
jurov: just in case they want to hedge against difficulty skyrocketing ;)
kakobrekla: MJR_ but he paid a lot more than preorders for half the spec?
MJR_: don't know what he paid...but i think he just likes to get hardware
kakobrekla: 13:49.33 ( MJR_ ) after most people had already forgotten they were waiting
MJR_: he got the raspberry pi before that
kakobrekla: "oohhh i forgot i ordered this what a nice suprise to self"
MJR_: jurov: ah ok, good idea
MJR_: aren't diffs too expensive?
jurov: no, just lowered the offer from 0.19 to 0.16
MJR_: i was going to say that i should map out the absolute upper bound of difficulty over the time period
MJR_: it can only go up by 4X
MJR_: wait...take that back 4X every 2016 blocks
jurov: nice, let me know... i'll write it into prospect
MJR_: did you guys see on avalon?
MJR_: you can order 10k chips
MJR_: 2 million megahashes
gribble: There are currently 53900872 bitcoins demanded at or over 0.0 USD, worth 19947846.5096 USD in total. | Data vintage: 116.2202 seconds
bitesak: roughly 3 million more than yesterday?
troc: almost 20M, is that an ath ?
gribble: There are currently 111956.4 bitcoins offered at or under 260.0 USD, worth 16801704.7573 USD in total. | Data vintage: 22.0432 seconds
MJR_: lol if you could get all those chips up and running....you would make back your bitcoins in a week
MJR_: very good deal for hardware people
KRS1: ;;eightball how long would it take to get all those chips up and running
gribble: The answer is certainly yes.
gribble: Error: Failed to retrieve current block bounty. Try again later.
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.33 BTC [+]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 90.96450, Best ask: 90.99000, Bid-ask spread: 0.02550, Last trade: 90.99000, 24 hour volume: 269857.74349601, 24 hour low: 80.74999, 24 hour high: 98.77799, 24 hour vwap: 90.37506
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.333 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.35 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 700 @ 0.00346247 = 2.4237 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20155 @ 0.00070162 = 14.1412 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19500 @ 0.00071041 = 13.853 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 3 @ 0.17889 = 0.5367 BTC [-]
gribble: There are currently 189993.3 bitcoins demanded at or over 50.0 USD, worth 12716075.1439 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0064 seconds
Chaang-Noi: i think d3 is going to be wrong.. i think we will see 500 before 50
gribble: There are currently 131290.56 bitcoins offered at or under 500.0 USD, worth 23276051.5885 USD in total. | Data vintage: 30.6232 seconds
ThickAsThieves: if you were a market maker, why might you post huge big walls from 60-80, and also ask walls under 100?
ThickAsThieves: essentially holding price both higher and lower than it might go naturally?
Chaang-Noi: but with 20 million usd on the books i dont think so
Chaang-Noi: hell im happy if we stay here for a year
Chaang-Noi: i sodl enough at $200 plus (my ltc) to live for a few years:)
Sinbios: there's no "wall" under 100, just a bunch of people trying to sell
Chaang-Noi: we will not see 50 for a while if ever
ThickAsThieves: but why is that buyer propping price up, rather than buying?
Sinbios: there are only two big bid orders, one at 80 and one at 70
taub: i see buying beeing absorbed right now
Sinbios: if those disappear for whatever reason 50 isn't out of reach
taub: you can also buy them with euros truffles
taub: it's just that the biggest market is in dollars
Chaang-Noi: the volume is mostly in usd, but the euro market and even yuan market will drag the dollar price around
taub: and even most of europeans trade it in usd i think
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 500 @ 0.00346246 = 1.7312 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 700 @ 0.00346247 = 2.4237 BTC [+]
Chaang-Noi: yes the bid walls can give up waiting and buy, but we were just at $50, why but now?
Chaang-Noi: we dont have panic buying right now, but we might again over $130
ThickAsThieves: for 2 or 3 days, someone has been constructing this price, yet not letting it break the overall downward trend
ThickAsThieves: this manipulator WILL spend these dollars, and it WON'T be at these prices he constructed
Scrat: truffles: you'd be surprised at how fast things move nowadays
deadweasel: truffles: i agree, we see the internal rot, but nationstates power will remain in our lifetimes.
taub: market has been kinda shaking, especially this week
ThickAsThieves: what i think is that someone is manipulating, making up a large % of bid book,
taub: and i dont think fiat currencies can live forever when all central banks are printing money like crazy
taub: you dont need bitcoin to kill fiat, fiat will kill itself the way it's going
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9389 @ 0.00071248 = 6.6895 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15218 @ 0.00072 = 10.957 BTC [+]
taub: i dont really like to think about that future where fiat breaks down, dont think it will be non violent
ThickAsThieves: is that he doesnt have enough coins to crash it at a higher price
deadweasel: thats not crash, it's a bitcoin sneeze
gribble: There are currently 189923.91 bitcoins demanded at or over 50.0 USD, worth 12726343.8662 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0065 seconds
Scrat: would take a lot of balls to have 10million on gox
ThickAsThieves: maybe they are using all the fees you pay them to control price
Sinbios: ThickAsThieves: ...then what incentive does that person have to hold the price up instead of just letting it fall to $0.01 and buy it up then
Scrat: how do you prove that an exchange is manipulating the price, provided that they are doing it right
Sinbios: i don't understand what you're trying to say. what crash coins?
ThickAsThieves: they know exactly how many coins are needed to crash it to any price
Scrat: if it's gox they dont even need to hold anything
Scrat: they can change a value in the database
ThickAsThieves: they can simply play with whatever the average balance is
Scrat: only top management would know
ThickAsThieves: but cmon you guys have to see that this price is constructed
ThickAsThieves: there is no reason other than manip, to make bid walls that big
Sinbios: the market is constantly manipulated
Scrat: Sinbios: there's a big difference
Scrat: whale vs. the exchange themselves
Sinbios: who said it's the exchange?
Scrat: if the latter is true we're in deep shit
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11600 @ 0.00072335 = 8.3909 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11000 @ 0.00072397 = 7.9637 BTC [+]
Scrat: this is a "what if"
Sinbios: then why are you speculating?
ThickAsThieves: dont you remember how 2 days ago we were at about 70, then a 15k wall appeared?
Scrat: because it's not falsifiable either
Sinbios: god's not falsifiable either, are you speculating it's god keeping the price up
Scrat: I have a theory xenu might be buying btc, so yes
Sinbios: ThickAsThieves: who cares? maybe it's some guy with deep pockets who thinks it's actually worth 70 and now 80 a coin
Sinbios: just be prepared that it might disappear at any time and act accordingly
Sinbios: because it's pointless speculating and you're just going to whip yourself into an anxious frenzy
Scrat: i'm very calm actually
Sinbios: i mean stop caring that it might be manipulation, because it is 100% manipulation
Sinbios: i'm guessing most people are going with the latter, which might be why you don't get any replies when you ask if you're crazy
ThickAsThieves: ive been talking about this with others for a couple days now
troc: share more thoughts or evidence ?
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.365 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.36 = 2.72 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.35 = 2.7 BTC [-]
Scrat: ThickAsThieves I have a counter argument
Scrat: that sort of manip would require someone working at gox who is competent
Scrat: in fact im always trolling
ThickAsThieves: i have done this kind of thing with stocks on bitfunder
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 92.60000, Best ask: 92.60001, Bid-ask spread: 0.00001, Last trade: 92.60000, 24 hour volume: 258868.97500742, 24 hour low: 83.00000, 24 hour high: 98.77799, 24 hour vwap: 90.79159
ThickAsThieves: yes, the person must be a functional member of the economy
ThickAsThieves: and then have them be so convinced they actually react
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 4 @ 1.3998 = 5.5992 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.43 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.45 BTC [+]
orkaa: i've got to find this
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.4599 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 10 @ 1.46 = 14.6 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: if i am right, i think the only possible outcome is a big crash when the manipulator gets to the point where he barely has enoush coins to control a crash
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3199 @ 0.00072157 = 2.3083 BTC [-]
Sinbios: like i said, it's 100% manipulation. it's the nature of this market, deal with it or go home
Sinbios: good thing i don't have to deal with it
ThickAsThieves: i guess some hard advice can be made from this theory, if you see those walls at 80 and 70 disappear, watch out
ThickAsThieves: but i dont think they are that dumb to be that obvious
Sinbios: [08:40:04] <Sinbios> just be prepared that it might disappear at any time and act accordingly
MJR_: people expecting a drop?
Sinbios: truffles: hold onto long positions hoping it'll keep going up?
sturles: Cloudflare error messages from the MtGox API isn't a good sign. DDoS again? Prepare for impact?
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 221 @ 0.00408 = 0.9017 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 122 @ 0.00409 = 0.499 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: blockchain.info was hit with ddos to their servers that are supposed to be hidden by cloudlfare
ThickAsThieves: so its possible cloudflare has been compromised ot something
assbot: [BTCTC] [RSM] 34 @ 0.0028 = 0.0952 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [RSM] 49 @ 0.0029 = 0.1421 BTC [+]
savetheinternet: ThickAsThieves: it's not very hard to get cloudflare to reveal the site's IP address
assbot: [MPEX:^OIX] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 24.03032819 / 24.03032819 / (5 shares, 5.40 BTC), 30D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC)
pgp: i'm with ThickAsThieves - manipulation is EASY with enough money and half a brain...
jurov: kids, don't bring -anal here =)
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 92.22000, Best ask: 92.97000, Bid-ask spread: 0.75000, Last trade: 92.22000, 24 hour volume: 241621.59434693, 24 hour low: 83.00000, 24 hour high: 98.77799, 24 hour vwap: 90.96920
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1673 @ 0.00071041 = 1.1885 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10159 @ 0.00069581 = 7.0687 BTC [-]
pgp: wow -slow day in bitcoin land
assbot: [BTCTC] [ESECURITYSABTC] 4 @ 0.34 = 1.36 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ESECURITYSABTC] 1 @ 0.29502 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: 2. Only Gox would know how big of a bid wall is needed to force a floor
lippoper1: you don't think the wall has moved up?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3900 @ 0.00069463 = 2.7091 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 57 @ 0.00409 = 0.2331 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 33 @ 0.00382 = 0.1261 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 50 @ 0.00381 = 0.1905 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 100 @ 0.0038 = 0.38 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 94 @ 0.00373 = 0.3506 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 44 @ 0.003724 = 0.1639 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 489 @ 0.003501 = 1.712 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 6189 @ 0.0035 = 21.6615 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 1 @ 0.18 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 100 @ 0.0035 = 0.35 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 6 @ 0.3201 = 1.9206 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.32000007 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1000 @ 0.00310002 = 3.1 BTC [-]
gribble: Error: "later" is not a valid command.
gribble: Error: "pm" is not a valid command.
gribble: support: 91, 86 | targets: 100-102, 105, 110-113, 120, ..., 50% retracement at 160, new highs? | updated by OneFixt at Apr 18 2013, 08:08 UTC ( tips:
http://bit.ly/YnxUM4 ) | disclaimer:
http://bit.ly/129bYJ6 | this is not investment or trading advice | #bitcoin-analysis | 6 hours, 11 minutes, and 50 seconds ago
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 92.90002, Best ask: 92.97000, Bid-ask spread: 0.06998, Last trade: 92.97000, 24 hour volume: 213470.79482426, 24 hour low: 83.00000, 24 hour high: 96.40386, 24 hour vwap: 90.61458
gribble: There are currently 191320.39 bitcoins demanded at or over 50.0 USD, worth 12858409.5504 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0071 seconds
gribble: There are currently 59494.14 bitcoins demanded at or over 75.0 USD, worth 4890302.23197 USD in total. | Data vintage: 7.4589 seconds
gribble: There are currently 99247013 bitcoins demanded at or over 0.0 USD, worth 19912477.3474 USD in total. | Data vintage: 25.8990 seconds
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 5 @ 0.43000001 = 2.15 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 2 @ 0.43 = 0.86 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 3 @ 0.4271666 = 1.2815 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 2 @ 0.425 = 0.85 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 6 @ 0.42 = 2.52 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 3 @ 0.417 = 1.251 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.4 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 3 @ 0.3989 = 1.1967 BTC [-]
lippoper1: let me put in a quick buy order for 100k bitcoins
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9425 @ 0.00068035 = 6.4123 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 22 @ 0.0041 = 0.0902 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.32000006 = 0.64 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.32000001 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 10 @ 0.32 = 3.2 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.32 BTC [-]
gribble: There are currently 99252549 bitcoins demanded at or over 0.0 USD, worth 20327226.4718 USD in total. | Data vintage: 37.1946 seconds
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 94.30000, Best ask: 94.39000, Bid-ask spread: 0.09000, Last trade: 94.22000, 24 hour volume: 198258.25230075, 24 hour low: 83.00000, 24 hour high: 95.70000, 24 hour vwap: 90.69850
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5100 @ 0.00068035 = 3.4698 BTC [-]
bitesak: I have never seen so many millions in bids
gribble: There are currently 105104.93 bitcoins offered at or under 260.0 USD, worth 16053671.2769 USD in total. | Data vintage: 34.9561 seconds
error4733: first time 20M$ bids !! this is huge
gribble: There are currently 99252722 bitcoins demanded at or over 0.0 USD, worth 20351513.2657 USD in total. | Data vintage: 73.3459 seconds
MJR_: is this the first time?
bitesak: over the last 2-3 days, its increased by 5 million
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 3 @ 0.306 = 0.918 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 29 @ 0.261 = 7.569 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 8 @ 0.2602 = 2.0816 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.2601 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.2601 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.25 = 0.5 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 10 @ 0.25 = 2.5 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 7 @ 0.24 = 1.68 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1000 @ 0.00310001 = 3.1 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1000 @ 0.00300502 = 3.005 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1000 @ 0.00300501 = 3.005 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2000 @ 0.003005 = 6.01 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2600 @ 0.003 = 7.8 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 3000 @ 0.0029 = 8.7 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1000 @ 0.00288242 = 2.8824 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 500 @ 0.00275 = 1.375 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1000 @ 0.00270003 = 2.7 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2000 @ 0.00270001 = 5.4 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 474 @ 0.0027 = 1.2798 BTC [-]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 94.00000, Best ask: 94.19998, Bid-ask spread: 0.19998, Last trade: 94.00000, 24 hour volume: 194747.98048834, 24 hour low: 83.00000, 24 hour high: 95.70000, 24 hour vwap: 90.73874
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2310 @ 0.00068475 = 1.5818 BTC [+]
lippoper1: Bitcoin exchange BitFloor shuts its doors, promises to return everyone's money
lippoper1: and you know how you can't break promises
lippoper1: Do you think it has anything to do with this? Bitfloor Hacked, $250,000 Missing | Bitcoin Magazine
lippoper1: Bitfloor, the fourth largest exchange dealing in US dollars, has just announced that it has been hacked, and the service has taken a loss of 24,000 BTC
Bugpowder: a good chance he stole the money the first time
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 50 @ 0.00339 = 0.1695 BTC [+]
MJR_: why would you steal the money, then go back to running the exchange
MJR_: no one lost money at bitfloor yesterday
MJR_: except he gave the money out
Bugpowder: have people been able to withdraw?
MJR_: in fact you can still withdraw currently
MJR_: you have to wait for ACH
MJR_: that is what he meant by "i am giving all the money back"
MJR_: it means he's giving all accounts their money
MJR_: in fact he texted me to tell me to withdraw any btc i have
Bugpowder: cause there might not be enough for the last person
MJR_: the hacking incident is completely unrelated to him closing
MJR_: he owes those people x number of coins
MJR_: nothing to do with current accounts
Bugpowder: why do new accounts have preference over old accounts
MJR_: he has a debt to them
MJR_: considering him getting hacked was over a year ago
MJR_: i personally did all my exchanging there
MJR_: and never had one problem
MJR_: bank account closed
MJR_: more than likely recent upsurge of volume in cash...raised some eyebrows
MJR_: so i think they closed his bank account or something like that
MJR_: no details, but it has to do with fincen regs i think
MJR_: or at the very least AML
lippoper1: I heard he was talking to another bank and might re-open in 4 weeks
MJR_: if he can figure out the AML stuff, compliance with fincen regs
MJR_: i wouldn't talk to a bank so i could have them help me operate illegally
MJR_: no, has been since inception
MJR_: or technically since fincen released guidance
MJR_: again hacking had nothing to do with closing
lippoper1: hacking was just to hurt his reputation
MJR_: i would talk to a bank so they could help me implement KYC and AML
lippoper1: you're syaing they didn't make off with 24k BTC though?
jborkl: diablo-d3 , how long till the auction ends?
MJR_: i'm still getting mt gox data
MJR_: its flying in on the api
MJR_: i'm just watching market data
gribble: Error: Problem retrieving gox lag. Try again later.
MJR_: someone needs to restart gribble
gribble: There are currently 99252456 bitcoins demanded at or over 0.0 USD, worth 20514882.8485 USD in total. | Data vintage: 20.9792 seconds
pgp: gox is down hard, huh?
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 997 @ 0.01 = 9.97 BTC [+]
pgp: you'll have another chance
Bugpowder: I thought the buy wall at 70 was fake
assbot: [BTCTC] [LTC-MINING] 1 @ 0.34589 BTC [+]
lippoper1: gonna use that liquidity to buy it up at whatever price gox comes back with
gribble: There are currently 101606.17 bitcoins demanded at or over 69.0 USD, worth 7989462.52678 USD in total. | Data vintage: 85.4055 seconds
gribble: There are currently 99261721 bitcoins demanded at or over 0.0 USD, worth 20535034.3746 USD in total. | Data vintage: 98.7360 seconds
MJR_: is 20mil a new high?
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 1 @ 0.000699 BTC [+]
MJR_: i'm still getting good data
Scrat: MJR_: cached by cloudflare
MJR_: how does cloudflare cache a websocket stream
MJR_: nope, the socket.io is working beautifully so far
MJR_: been running since this morning
MJR_: of course it isn't super readable, but i can make it out if i stare at the right spots
MJR_: it just started lagging
pgp: Gox = WORST EXCHANGE ON PLANET
Bugpowder: Gox = BEST BITCOIN EXCHANGE ON PLANET
pgp: now that bitfloor and bitcoin24 are gone, soon gox will be ONLY bitcoin exchange on planet
taub: campbx should make their site less ugly meby the'd get some customers
pgp: campbx will like be next to fold
Doffx: Why would it fold?
taub: i'm not sure, they seem pretty legit and in check with legal stuff
taub: and they've been up for 2 years almost now
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 95.90000, Best ask: 95.97999, Bid-ask spread: 0.07999, Last trade: 95.97999, 24 hour volume: 176637.04484907, 24 hour low: 83.00000, 24 hour high: 95.91100, 24 hour vwap: 90.73430
Doffx: yeah that's why I asked.
gribble: support: 91, 86 | targets: 100-102, 105, 110-113, 120, ..., 50% retracement at 160, new highs? | updated by OneFixt at Apr 18 2013, 08:08 UTC ( tips:
http://bit.ly/YnxUM4 ) | disclaimer:
http://bit.ly/129bYJ6 | this is not investment or trading advice | #bitcoin-analysis | 7 hours, 57 minutes, and 10 seconds ago
pgp: govt will crack down
pgp: CTFC will want to regulate
pgp: bitfloor prolly closed because of FinCEN
Doffx: Tell it to go regulate the real criminals it keeps letting off the hook
Doffx: Wait CTFC are the criminals
taub: nothing against russians, but the fact that you can just take bitcoins and close up shop... who knows, maybe if t hey got enough in deposits they'll suddenly claim a "hack" or something... but that's the danger with any exchnage
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2000 @ 0.00275213 = 5.5043 BTC [-]
pgp: doesn't change the fact that running an axchange in the US will be a real headache
taub: i love this cascade of little breakouts
pgp: unless you have deep pockets and scall
taub: yep, maybe max keisers one wil be good, london based
taub: they usually are really liberal with their financial regulations
Doffx: I doubt they do it that way
troc: blockchain and gox had to shutdown their uk bank accounts
Doffx: They will let more people get in to BTC create a giant calamity in wich people lose tons then find some people to tell how they lost it all and how unfortunate they are.
Doffx: Then they will outlaw all crypto coins
Doffx: for our own protection
pgp: outlaw - no... make it really difficult to convert fiat to crypto, yes...
pgp: not sure how you can actually outlaw bitcoin... at least in US...
pgp: i think that in the end there is a strong first ammendment argument to be made that bitcoin is a form of speech
taub: label them as hiyt or what they are called
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 95.74999, Best ask: 95.96230, Bid-ask spread: 0.21231, Last trade: 95.96230, 24 hour volume: 175919.78736906, 24 hour low: 83.00000, 24 hour high: 96.00000, 24 hour vwap: 90.72937
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 464 @ 0.00275213 = 1.277 BTC [-]
gribble: There are currently 99263832 bitcoins demanded at or over 0.0 USD, worth 20523346.483 USD in total. | Data vintage: 93.8686 seconds
gribble: There are currently 101929.89 bitcoins offered at or under 265.9 USD, worth 16175085.4369 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0077 seconds
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9400 @ 0.00068475 = 6.4367 BTC [+]
gribble: There are currently 99264378 bitcoins demanded at or over 0.0 USD, worth 20874550.2445 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0196 seconds
Scrat: how the fuck did this jump sky high in 1 day
troc: is this gox getting round to bumper subscriptions from the ath 10days ago ?
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.39 = 2.78 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 1.36 = 4.08 BTC [-]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 96.50001, Best ask: 96.54000, Bid-ask spread: 0.03999, Last trade: 96.54000, 24 hour volume: 167037.83440532, 24 hour low: 83.00000, 24 hour high: 97.59000, 24 hour vwap: 91.04704
punkman: "It is time for something new. A new big business and a very serious Company, which can not be fuc***! We will be back for sure!"
gribble: smickles was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 weeks, 0 days, 1 hour, 28 minutes, and 41 seconds ago: <smickles> a bitcoin atm could be the easiest way to send money to a friend, each of you just goes to an atm
gribble: support: 91, 86 | targets: 100-102, 105, 110-113, 120, ..., 50% retracement at 160, new highs? | updated by OneFixt at Apr 18 2013, 08:08 UTC ( tips:
http://bit.ly/YnxUM4 ) | disclaimer:
http://bit.ly/129bYJ6 | this is not investment or trading advice | #bitcoin-analysis | 9 hours, 8 minutes, and 17 seconds ago
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.29 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 12 @ 1.28 = 15.36 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 1.275 = 3.825 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3940 @ 0.00068475 = 2.6979 BTC [+]
Doffx: I always wondered when this would start happening
Doffx: Banks finally saying eff you, closing that account buh bye Exchange.
Doffx: I wonder how hard it would be to make a Bank
Doffx: FUnd it just for Bitcoin trade
Doffx: Bet it would be near impossible
lippoper1: they've taken millions of dollars of pre-order funds
Doffx: Uhh, I think we would notice that fairly quickly.
lippoper1: while scaring potential miners because of their mystical pink unicorn like ASICS that could ship at any minute now
lippoper1: they just want their portion of the fees aciilifeform
Doffx: They are getting the fees
lippoper1: i'm sure once they get a little slice of heaven they'll stop being so jealous
Doffx: It cost you every time you transfer money so they were making money off BTC but losing in another way much bigger if BTC actually got adopted as a true payment sytem
pgp: fiat banks don't want to deal with BTC exchanges
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.252 = 2.504 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.241 = 2.482 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.24001 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.24 BTC [-]
Doffx: They stand to lose Power, Control, and Money if BTC was adopted.
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.24 BTC [-]
Doffx: I think the Power is the most important part.
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.23 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.211 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.2 BTC [-]
Doffx: Wow, glad I ditched mine yesterday.
Doffx: bought a 8 at 72, then sold at 1.30
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 8 @ 1.2 = 9.6 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 9 @ 1.2 = 10.8 BTC [-]
Doffx: Now to get a bunch more cheap!
lippoper1: Why is ASIC MINER doing so bad Doffx?
Doffx: Its not, people are just speculating.
Doffx: Its up quite a bit
Doffx: I just wanted to get out at the peak
Doffx: I was just day tried for a fast btc, worked out this time.
Doffx: err day trading weps
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.00001 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 15 @ 1 = 15 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 468 @ 0.00069463 = 0.3251 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 3 @ 0.335 = 1.005 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 4 @ 0.44 = 1.76 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 4 @ 0.199 = 0.796 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.23397 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.96503 BTC [-]
jurov: "Kenna is seeking to partner with a local bank to open an exchange in the country."
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 4 @ 0.96502 = 3.8601 BTC [-]
gribble: 1 BTC = 95.10000 U.S. dollars = 72.9070837 Euros
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22300 @ 0.00072228 = 16.1068 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 293 @ 0.00072397 = 0.2121 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18807 @ 0.00073 = 13.7291 BTC [+]
gribble: support: 91, 86 | targets: 100-102, 105, 110-113, 120, ..., 50% retracement at 160, new highs? | updated by OneFixt at Apr 18 2013, 08:08 UTC ( tips:
http://bit.ly/YnxUM4 ) | disclaimer:
http://bit.ly/129bYJ6 | this is not investment or trading advice | #bitcoin-analysis | 11 hours and 51 seconds ago
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1D: 0.0027 / 0.00294867 / 0.00346247 (20988 shares, 61.89 BTC), 7D: 0.0027 / 0.00347087 / 0.00439999 (88231 shares, 306.24 BTC), 30D: 0.0027 / 0.00340411 / 0.005598 (1807229 shares, 6,152.01 BTC)
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 3 @ 0.16 = 0.48 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 7 @ 0.159 = 1.113 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.19987 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.199879 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.2 BTC [+]
iz: i know the answer to this one; it does each of it's transactions in the blockchain
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6193 @ 0.00073 = 4.5209 BTC [+]
pgp: 24h volume back down to 135k at gox...
gribble: There are currently 99273220 bitcoins demanded at or over 0.0 USD, worth 21139142.3182 USD in total. | Data vintage: 15.7309 seconds
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 3 @ 0.4 = 1.2 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 5 @ 0.399 = 1.995 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 10 @ 0.39890001 = 3.989 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 2 @ 0.3989 = 0.7978 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 15 @ 0.395 = 5.925 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 2 @ 0.39 = 0.78 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 3 @ 0.38 = 1.14 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 7 @ 0.38 = 2.66 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 50 @ 0.37 = 18.5 BTC [-]
Doffx: Is tradehill up and running currently?
soypirate: what's the deal with s.dice. anyone have a guess for where the price is going?
soypirate: sorry, i see that someone just asked that
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2707 @ 0.00073338 = 1.9853 BTC [+]
soypirate: what's the safest bet for like 10btc right now: s.dice or BTC-BOND?
soypirate: will s.dice go back up, or do you guys think it will go down before it goes back up?
jurov: the outcome will be the same, no?
soypirate: i guess you're right... weird question.
jurov: i'd buy s.dice to expect more profit... but you need strong nerves, its movememnts defy all logic
soypirate: I feel with s.dice that, the way the btc/usd price has been wild, the dividends will not really pay for the profit loss in terms of share to btc resale value...
jurov: neither btc-bond will do that
soypirate: you mean, the dividends don't pay for the loss in share value?
jurov: you can't expect them to
jurov: s.dice has nothing to do with usd
jurov: if you fear btc crash so much, do some spreadsheet yourself and buy some puts instead
soypirate: in as much as affecting the value of BTC
jurov: or divide the investment
jurov: s.dice firmly captured a part of btc economy and any usd movements affect it mildly at most
soypirate: yeah, I was about to say, it was at 0.006 and went to 0.003 during the latest btc/usd bubble
soypirate: so, long-term would be better to trade a few for m.poe or something?
joecool: same could be said about mtgox
joecool: both have been proven to be run by idiots
jurov: who are you talking to? tiberiusiv? i am ignoring him for a reason
joecool: lol last time i was in here you were calling mircea a gypsy over and over and telling us he makes a living stealing chickens
jurov: for example i have ignored after he came up with this: <tiberiusiv> mircea has lost in 1month probably more bitcoins then 95% of this channel hold combined.
jurov: such "fact" i know for certain was just some ass pull
gribble: support: 91, 86 | targets: 100-102, 105, 110-113, 120, ..., 50% retracement at 160, new highs? | updated by OneFixt at Apr 18 2013, 08:08 UTC ( tips:
http://bit.ly/YnxUM4 ) | disclaimer:
http://bit.ly/129bYJ6 | this is not investment or trading advice | #bitcoin-analysis | 12 hours, 43 minutes, and 6 seconds ago
dub: soypirate: the ass fell out of s.deuce well before the latest bubble
dub: for the reason we all know but don't like to say
dub: jurov nearly got there
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 2 @ 1.82 = 3.64 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 1 @ 1.3789999 BTC [+]