pankkake: it would have to be something truly unfixable in Bitcoin
pankkake: or a wholly different codebase at least
pankkake: I do follow some altcoin development - even donated to some ;)
mircea_popescu: <pigeons> its not the first scrypt coin with no premine, that was fairbrix, and coblee started litecoin cause fairbrix got 51%ed too many times << few know this
ozbot: i'd like to buy some Hashing power hashing for FTC
mircea_popescu: lol @best marketing phrase. what is it, litecoin makes your tits float ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [LABCO] 220 @ 0.00055445 = 0.122 BTC [+] {4}
pankkake: I'd like to start a 51% attack pool. the only goal is to destroy
mircea_popescu: eh forget it. ltc is not to blame that it attracts idiots.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.76 = 3.04 BTC [-]
pankkake: my reservations are mostly technical
mircea_popescu: pankkake Luke-Jr became famous through doing the same thing coupla years ago. or trying... i don't recall if he succeeded.
pankkake: by subverting his pool power so I heard
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mircea_popescu: so it'd cost me what, 0.1 btc/hour to maintain a 51% attack on ltc indefinitely ?
pankkake: it's scrypt, I guess values aren't comparable
pankkake: I tried to guess the cost, estimated litecoin's power to 38124 Radeon 7970
pankkake: so that should be an investment of 17 155 800 USD is behind the network ($450 per card for counting the other components)
pankkake: and thus you need half of that to attack it
mircea_popescu: dexX7 i've not been paying much attention to ltc since prolly 2012
mircea_popescu: anyway, the notion that 1k diff is worth 10mn in gear is ludicrous.
mircea_popescu: now i understand whty all the noob fury for pushing ltc : it allows them to live the illusion that their worthless gear is to be counted at 450 a board.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [LABCO] 1302 @ 0.00077447 = 1.0084 BTC [+] {6}
nubbins`: what, you mean there isn't an insatiable demand for used gfx cards that have been melting themselves mining btc for the past few years?
nubbins`: it's almost like it's a solution in search of a problem
Luke-Jr: pankkake: mircea_popescu is a troll; my pool was not involved
mircea_popescu: by the same rationale, a good pricing for the radeons would be 50 cents a piece.
pankkake: Luke-Jr: well the rumor is there!
pankkake: but if you create a pool to destroy altcoins I'd mine on it… if I actually had anything capable of :)
Luke-Jr: pankkake: waste of my time
Luke-Jr: pankkake: the hope with that one instance was that it'd deter the scammers
pankkake: well, some people just like to watch the world burn
mircea_popescu: well i guess more research is needed here. i can't readily point to proof.
MTBmanTT: I just dont understand the "push" with ltc- being a n00b to this world, ive never heard of it until the BTC forums.
Luke-Jr: MTBmanTT: it's a popular scam because it hasn't broken yet
mircea_popescu: MTBmanTT basically it makes sense on some level to have a reserve implementation.
Luke-Jr: mircea_popescu: there's no reserve implementation in litecoin, it's just a dumb clone
mircea_popescu: obviously idiots flock there just like they flock to btc. ltc has the disadvantage that it gets all the idiots that got broken uin btc, too
MTBmanTT: ah, I just figured it was there to make GPUs feel useful again, to in turn exchange for btc..... but that sounds more reasonable
Luke-Jr: if SHA256d breaks, it does too since it uses it for everything but the POW
pankkake: mircea_popescu: yes, while I used to think that, litecoin isn't a different implementation
mircea_popescu: Luke-Jr depends how hardcore do yo uwant to get. one could say bitcoin isn't really a bitcoin either, just a dumb prototype.
nubbins`: i thought btc was a prototype for mastercoin
Luke-Jr: nubbins`: if you want to argue that, use freicoin as an example :p
Luke-Jr: yeah, and a bunch of other stuff
mircea_popescu: while it's a good idea to try it so it's trioed, im convinced demurage is a bad idea.
dexX7: mircea_popescu: i just wanted to exploit this rare situation of "lecturing you" :) scrypt is designed in a way that the bottleneck is rather the amount of fast accessible memory than computational speed and people say "litecoin is fpga/asic resistant" for that reason
mircea_popescu: dexX7 people say many things. meanwhile, 16gb boards aren't too expensive
Luke-Jr: mircea_popescu: yeah, I think inflation works better
Luke-Jr: dexX7: normal scrypt is; litecoin's variant is not
Luke-Jr: dexX7: and scrypt requires just as much memory to verify as to search, so it's not a proof-of-work
mircea_popescu: i have no idea. perhap a coin without the reward halving would win out on that score.
dexX7: ah okay, i'm not familiar with the underlying details
Luke-Jr: the BitShares guys came up with an actual memory-hard PoW algorithm, though I'm not convinced if it's solid or not yet
pankkake: Yacoin (yes, Yet Another Altcoin) has a memory-intensive scrypt
pankkake: and the memory requirements go up
Luke-Jr: pankkake: to verify as well
MTBmanTT: ok, this maybe really dumb and for that I'm sorry- but what is the point to all these other alt currencies? hopes that it becomes the next, or second bitcoin?
Luke-Jr: asciilifeform: the goal of memoryhard is that it the SDRAM would perform equally well with any host
mircea_popescu: Luke-Jr since you mention them, do you also know the drama re charles guy quitting invictus ?
Luke-Jr: MTBmanTT: to scam people into paying for them
Luke-Jr: MTBmanTT: convince a loser it's going to succeed, and that he'll make big bucks by buying early
mircea_popescu: MTBmanTT the inca cola example controls. they're there just in case you run out of coke somehow.
Luke-Jr: mircea_popescu: no, I didn't even hear of that
Luke-Jr: asciilifeform: well, I never said scrypt is a good algo :p
mircea_popescu: all this delicious drama going to waste unknown. no wonder the alt coins aren't going anywhere.
Luke-Jr: asciilifeform: just that's the goal of a memoryhard algo
mircea_popescu: it's a fucking naive goal it's what it is. but anyway.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> 1st fellow to bake an altcoin that's actually interesting will win (something.) << he'll win my attention, for sure.
Luke-Jr: mircea_popescu: before SHA256d ASICs, it would have been a worthwhile goa.l
Luke-Jr: mircea_popescu: that's why
pankkake: mircea_popescu: did you look at ppcoin?
mircea_popescu: Luke-Jr yes, but only in the naive perspective. "oh, maybe things never happen". memory still was the cheapest use of silicon even before the sha256d was actually implemented.
Luke-Jr: pankkake: the altcoin that never accomplished decentralisation
pankkake: the checkpoints are a thing of the past, though I'd like some serious auditing of proof of stake
mircea_popescu: do you have any idea how hard this'd be to implement ?
mircea_popescu: will the protocol support recursion in the workfunction ?
mircea_popescu: this was the most amusing instance of being trolled while i know im being trolled.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.76 = 1.52 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5243 @ 0.00088553 = 4.6428 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6557 @ 0.00088112 = 5.7775 BTC [-] {2}
MTBmanTT: Has anyone here used CEX? I know there is alot of back n fourth about them, but honestly ive been doing ok- almost have a whole btc, def. beats faucet crap
MTBmanTT: then again, Iam sure most of you have some actual money to work with in btc world :P
dexX7: what's the connection of cex and faucets?
MTBmanTT: On Mpex exchange, is that for 1K and above as well?
MTBmanTT: @dex, nothing really I am just a broke kid trying to earn a little is all...was wondering if I am just spinning my tires on something like CEX
mircea_popescu: anyway, so upon research the entire "luke-jr attacked litecoin" thing boils down to, back in april luke had no idea i had put the kaibosh on mtgox at the secret march meeting. thus he got all excited upon hearing mtgox intends to go die into altcoin heaven, and started a campaign of wiki editing and trolling the ltc dev chan. he didn't actually 51% ltc or anything.
MTBmanTT: lol ooook, ill be waiting outside if thats the case
kakobrekla: no he couldnt have done much to ltc, he has sha256 pool not scrypt, not compatible
Luke-Jr: mircea_popescu: lol, troll
Luke-Jr: of course he doesn't, he never did
Luke-Jr: and trolls tend to hate me
nubbins`: everyone is a troll except you
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla lmao at XVII + nineteen = on the bash site.
ozbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
MTBmanTT: I waiting for a faceplant wont lie
kakobrekla: do we have lots of labcoin 'investor' readers?
kakobrekla: im still thinking about the anal prolapse one.
mircea_popescu: you get to spend a lot of time pondering anal prolapse.
mircea_popescu: also i just negged the labcoin bash because it's banal and unfunny
VanCleef: shut up, labcoin is going to recover damn it
nubbins`: can't get a home run with every swing, ya know
nubbins`: not sure if relevant or if i've taken too many allergy pills
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8581 @ 0.00088531 = 7.5968 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [LABCO] 458 @ 0.00079499 = 0.3641 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 7 @ 0.40979571 = 2.8686 BTC [-] {4}
ozbot: Who Does Number Two Work For? - YouTube
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4870 @ 0.00088395 = 4.3048 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.76 = 3.04 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4820 @ 0.00088395 = 4.2606 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 27 @ 0.00732 = 0.1976 BTC [-]
bloctoc: anyone want to discuss why someone bought USD 320 calls on MPEX? seems ambitious
bloctoc: scratch that expires on friday.
bloctoc: looks like they spent ~3 btc
Vexual: it's probably just mp trying to get on cia payroll, hes all balls brains and suit
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 53 @ 0.00271 = 0.1436 BTC [+]
bloctoc: maybe it's CIA paying mp for a look at the books.
bloctoc: balls, brains, suite and what we believe to be a swisher sweet.
Vexual: whats a swisher sweet?
Vexual: do cartier make brethmints now?
bloctoc: cheap sugar laced cigar you generally store at the gas station at 3AM after drinking since noon.
Vexual: i don't know what he smokes, but he keeps cartier luxury mild for the ladies
Vexual: i wouldn't go that far, smooth yes
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13300 @ 0.00088446 = 11.7633 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2909 @ 0.00088811 = 2.5835 BTC [+] {3}
Vexual: kano's antique katana was no match for the swift decisive loafer to his gonads. Aspegers was cured temporarily at a range of 50 metres. The sword was sold on ebay with no reserve.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 200 @ 0.00744629 = 1.4893 BTC [+] {5}
ozbot: N.W.A. - Straight Outta Compton (EXPLICIT VERSION) - YouTube
Vexual: have you seen her play mircea?
Vexual: does she play wimbledon now?
Vexual: coz thats some champagne and strawberry scenery
Vexual: itd be a pity if she was alergic
mircea_popescu: she probably gets laid about as much as the average computer geek does.
Vexual: well if it wasnt vigourous, im sure her trainer would say it was a waste of time
mircea_popescu: funny thing is, serena williams is prolly her personal nemesis
mircea_popescu: wiped her in the finals twice i think. or mebbe three times
Vexual: is her tennis game good? excitting as her body?
Vexual: whats her prize money total?
Vexual: more importantly, whens she in a grand slam?
Vexual: im gonna get a case of gin and put a big bet on for her win
mircea_popescu: you're probably going to get great ods, as she was wiped this year in au open, rg, wimbledon and us open. she goes like 1st 1st 2nd 4th
Vexual: well with the gin ana d the tv, i cant really lose
Vexual: watching her win at wimbledon from ther stands would be better
ozbot: Snoop Dogg : Sign - Video Dailymotion
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3550 @ 0.00088165 = 3.1299 BTC [-] {2}
Vexual: especially with a grand on at 50 to 1
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.76 = 3.04 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1994 @ 0.00088543 = 1.7655 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 10614 @ 0.00230278 = 24.4417 BTC [-] {7}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 80 @ 0.00748 = 0.5984 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 300 @ 0.00748 = 2.244 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 60 @ 0.00748 = 0.4488 BTC [+]
Vexual: ahh london in the summer
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.76 = 3.8 BTC [-]
Vexual: you can keep zurich and frankfurt
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.40979999 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 545 @ 0.00748 = 4.0766 BTC [+] {3}
Vexual: it goes london, mumbai, sydney
Vexual: id put san fran in there for satoshi, but bitcoin has no hoome
Vexual: mainly me, but i know youre listening kako
Vexual: and i can see the logs
ozbot: Dirty Cash(Money Talks) - YouTube
Vexual: if you're running out of hard drive, feel free to kick me to save on log space
kakobrekla: hd space is practically free these days
Vexual: ive got to replace my 40 gb system drive for the blockchain now
Vexual: im not sure if i buy a 256 ssd or 2tb hdd
VanCleef: is it possible to sue satoshi for coming up with the bitcoin mining scam?
Vexual: i missed the e, i type so fast
Vexual: and my found dell keyboard is encrusded with spilled cocktails
VanCleef: SEC wants to charge satoshi for the bitcoin mining scam
Vexual: satoshi gets stopped at airports, but doesn no crimes
Vexual: didnt even spend the old money ever
Vexual: sec's continued relevance can be measured in months
Vexual: gotta get me a honeywell
Vexual: black is s atupid colour for a kb
VanCleef: i need me some dot matrix action
Vexual: dutch are you saying get solid state with the 99 gybe?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.4098 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.76 = 1.52 BTC [-]
Vexual: foor old 40 samsung, hot but no failures ever
Vexual: no bad secor in 7 years
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.76 = 2.28 BTC [-]
Vexual: i would gess he was gorn in the eighties
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6836 @ 0.00088543 = 6.0528 BTC [+]
ozbot: Black Lagoon - Revy's Sound Advise - YouTube
ozbot: Balalaika's Bad Day - YouTube
Vexual: cmon kako, put me on the bash, you know its clever
Vexual: half that shits about litecoin
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 5 @ 0.4098 = 2.049 BTC [+]
ozbot: Waltzing Matilda (Australia Day 2009 Live) - YouTube
ozbot: Iggy Azalea - Work (Explicit) - YouTube
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 998 @ 0.002709 = 2.7036 BTC [+]
ozbot: Waltzing Matilda - YouTube
ozbot: GANGgajang - Sounds Of Then (This Is Australia) - YouTube
ozbot: Kylie Minogue - Waltzing Matilda (2000) - YouTube
Vexual: as tastry a strumpet kylie is, i give you this
ozbot: Men At Work-Land Down Under - Video Dailymotion
ozbot: Dirty Deeds Done Dirt Cheap by AC/DC (with lyrics) - YouTube
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 1 @ 0.1216 BTC [-]
ozbot: ACDC - Highway To Hell with lyrics - YouTube
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.76 = 2.28 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 2 @ 0.132705 = 0.2654 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 688 @ 0.00017005 = 0.117 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 15 @ 0.00745 = 0.1118 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.76 = 2.28 BTC [-]
pankkake: Labcoin shareholder: "I'm really disappointed、angry、despair、depress."
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1300 @ 0.00222849 = 2.897 BTC [-] {7}
Vexual: if you gave money to a mentally ill person tho buy an icecream and they failed in the endeavour would you be surprised
gribble: There are currently 438217.22 bitcoins demanded at or over 0.1 USD, worth 15860381.9766 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0094 seconds
gribble: There are currently 6145.4144 bitcoins offered at or under 200.0 USD, worth 1214062.07692 USD in total. | Data vintage: 28.4765 seconds
ozbot: 267731249.48242 | Next Diff in 1052 blocks | Estimated Change: 34.6435% in 4d 18h 26m 40s
gribble: There are currently 24241.38 bitcoins offered at or under 1000.0 USD, worth 6378279.99773 USD in total. | Data vintage: 105.9737 seconds
kleeck: I take mentally ill people's money on the reg.
_Neil: Litecoin collapsed below 0.01 BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13570 @ 0.00088444 = 12.0019 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [XBOND] [PAID] 0.69348300 BTC to 1`386`966 shares, 50 satoshi per share
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2344 @ 0.00088198 = 2.0674 BTC [-]
pankkake: well it did already a few times on mcxNOW
Vexual: 2 blockchains are neccessary
Apocalyptic: pankkake, wonder where our friend skinnkavaj is
pankkake: I guess if you want to experiment you can have a merge mined coin, it is much safer
pankkake: Apocalyptic: well, I doubt he said it wouldn't go under; his idea is that it will go up later
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.73 = 7.3 BTC [-]
pankkake: I mean, if I ever wanted to buy an altcoin falling that I did believe in, that's what I would do
pankkake: I don't see a reason to buy right now, I'll just wait and watch the prices
pankkake: with bitcoins I don't like to wait because I don't trust my fiat in exchanges, but with altcoins it's fast
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 20 @ 0.0074475 = 0.149 BTC [-] {3}
pankkake: just trying to help you skinnkavaj :)
Apocalyptic: pankkake, my guess is he's fully loaded in ltc and can't buy more anyway
pankkake: you can assume everyone's telling you to buy is selling, by default :p
Apocalyptic: of course he bought some days ago, at 0.1* levels, trolling shit now
pankkake: well buying at 0.01* isn't so bad. I'm glad I sold those I got at 0.03 or something :) (thankfully they were invested and I didn't lose BTC-wise)
Vexual: litecoins current primary fucntion is cleaning dirty bitcoin for crims
Vexual: and silroad got busted
pankkake: Vexual: indeed, but any altcoin can do that
pankkake: actually, more obscure blockchains are probably better; though having a small spread is obviously good
pankkake: hmm I guess I could write some software to find the best altcoin to launder by looking at orderbooks
Vexual: well if some aspbergers find the windows box or blackberry or whatever with the seized silkroad keys on it, you migth want some overpriced ltc asks somewhere
Vexual: you could make a tumbler that works
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 87 @ 0.0074 = 0.6438 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 8 @ 0.07497499 = 0.5998 BTC [+] {3}
Vexual: some of those exchanges tell the fbi to fuck off for sport
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 322 @ 0.001155 = 0.3719 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 60 @ 0.00746 = 0.4476 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.40999996 BTC [+]
gribble: Current Blocks: 265069 | Current Difficulty: 2.677312494824211E8 | Next Difficulty At Block: 266111 | Next Difficulty In: 1042 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 4 days, 23 hours, 39 minutes, and 19 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 360668416.691 | Estimated Percent Change: 34.71286
pankkake: why was "Coinbase Will Integrate Litecoin" rejected for Too late? did they add it?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 176 @ 0.00264918 = 0.4663 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 42 @ 0.0026492 = 0.1113 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 131 @ 0.0071 = 0.9301 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 374 @ 0.001155 = 0.432 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 42 @ 0.00747 = 0.3137 BTC [-]
Rulother: Hey I need some software to record activity on my desktop, gots to make a demo for my company, any suggestions?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 3 @ 0.4098 = 1.2294 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 4 @ 0.380015 = 1.5201 BTC [-] {2}
Troic: maybe on windows, I use it on *nix
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 10 @ 0.075 = 0.75 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 25 @ 0.70617118 = 17.6543 BTC [-] {14}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 229 @ 0.00701404 = 1.6062 BTC [-] {12}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 3 @ 0.380015 = 1.14 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 370 @ 0.00671326 = 2.4839 BTC [-] {14}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 105 @ 0.00661999 = 0.6951 BTC [+] {3}
KRS1-: good morning from the U.S.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 99 @ 0.00660602 = 0.654 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 250 @ 0.0066 = 1.65 BTC [-]
nubbins`: although technically it's one minute past noon here
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 150 @ 0.00664987 = 0.9975 BTC [+] {11}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 189 @ 0.00088 = 0.1663 BTC [-]
topace: and your extra half hour time zone
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 200 @ 0.0065 = 1.3 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 7 @ 0.4 = 2.8 BTC [+]
nubbins`: the sun rises earlier in st. john's ;)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 61 @ 0.00609487 = 0.3718 BTC [-] {11}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.69000001 BTC [-]
skinnkavaj: Do you think that in one years LTC is completley dead, no one is talking about it
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5023 @ 0.00087842 = 4.4123 BTC [-] {3}
skinnkavaj: everyone forgot about mtgox, coblee with coinbase and his chinese brother running the btcchina exchange
skinnkavaj: And ltc was just something hip for 2 years
pankkake: well, I do think the hype phase is done yes
dexX7: can you create some am bets and spam the forum?
skinnkavaj: pankkake: So LTC in one year has crashed even more?
dexX7: i was thinking about something like "gen 2 will be delievered before xx" and "am gen 2 has a lower power consumption than bitfury, knc and x" or so
pankkake: skinnkavaj: hard to know, but its market cap will be probably closer to other altcoins
pankkake: hmm I guess, but it's highly subjective, hard to say what is "gen 2" without proper announcments
skinnkavaj: pankkake: There is no way everyone will forget about Mtgox, Coinbase and Btcchina exchange.. The hype has not even begun.
pankkake: but I'll try to think about it :)
pankkake: what are some fiat exchanges going to bring, when you can very easily do fiat=>btc=>ltc anyway? the btc=>ltc step really isn't incovenent
pankkake: btc-e and kraken already tie it to fiat
skinnkavaj: The reason why Bitpay is not using LTC is beacause of lack of support from mtgox
pankkake: Coinbase can probably help with that, along with bringing web wallets I guess
skinnkavaj: Everyone has gone around waiting for MTgox
skinnkavaj: do you think that LTC will go under in value?
pankkake: is coinbase using mtgox? how are they getting their USD?
skinnkavaj: Look this is no secrete, coblee has even asked bitpay why no LTC.. yeah because no big exchange
pankkake: that makes no sense, as it is very easy to do ltc=>btc=>fiat
pankkake: sure, you lose a bit with fees and spread
pankkake: hmm coinbase's buy price is $182 while mtgox's is $192
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 192.50002, Best ask: 193.50076, Bid-ask spread: 1.00074, Last trade: 193.69972, 24 hour volume: 22260.28449495, 24 hour low: 181.00013, 24 hour high: 197.39005, 24 hour vwap: 190.41948
TomServo: It'd be nice to gribble start quoting bitcoinaverage.com or some such.
pankkake: at least stop using mtgox by default, especially for commands where you can't chose
dexX7: bitcoinaverage.com is indeed a great website
TomServo: Indeed, love the big "ignore gox price" button
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 12 @ 0.68833333 = 8.26 BTC [-] {2}
skinnkavaj: So pankkake is now speechless about LTC
pankkake: so it is possible *now* even without a directly tied to fiat exchange, because it's so easy to exchange altcoins
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 546 @ 0.00115054 = 0.6282 BTC [-] {7}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 158 @ 0.00691894 = 1.0932 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 25 @ 0.007 = 0.175 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 101 @ 0.007 = 0.707 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX:S.NSA] 1D: 0.00028 / 0.00028 / 0.00028 (100 shares, 0.03 BTC), 7D: 0.0001 / 0.0001 / 0.00028 (4737175 shares, 473.74 BTC), 30D: 0.0001 / 0.0001 / 0.00028 (4737175 shares, 473.74 BTC)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5944 @ 0.00087714 = 5.2137 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 96 @ 0.007 = 0.672 BTC [+] {2}
jurov: Ukyo, I'd like to reissue CoinBr.iDiff-E but wanted to get verified first... but still waiting :(
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.67419999 = 3.371 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 39 @ 0.39999999 = 15.6 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 6 @ 0.4 = 2.4 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 443 @ 0.00087714 = 0.3886 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 10000 @ 0.00218491 = 21.8491 BTC [-] {21}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.40999995 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MG] 4461 @ 0.00015 = 0.6692 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 2 @ 0.4 = 0.8 BTC [-]
dub: ;;ticker --market all
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD last: 192.99999, vol: 22501.56130459 | Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 177.03, vol: 26599.82333438 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 169.28, vol: 11013.007 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 178.0, vol: 5013.0485047 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 168.50, vol: 865.87779979 | Volume-weighted last average: 181.143683516
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.705 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 39 @ 0.0068 = 0.2652 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 19 @ 0.07 = 1.33 BTC [-] {2}
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 193.00000, Best ask: 193.73999, Bid-ask spread: 0.73999, Last trade: 193.74000, 24 hour volume: 22645.45965562, 24 hour low: 182.55231, 24 hour high: 197.39005, 24 hour vwap: 190.98508
gribble: There are currently 7726.7519 bitcoins offered at or under 200.0 USD, worth 1529282.36191 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0015 seconds
MobGod: can ahyone tell me what the command would be to check a price?
kakobrekla: but anyway, !ticker <exchange> <symbol>
MobGod: kakobrekla doesn't matter maybe a general price
assbot: [MPEX:S.BBET] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 0.00061999 / 0.00061999 / 0.00061999 (5000 shares, 3.10 BTC), 30D: 0.0005 / 0.00054865 / 0.00061999 (43300 shares, 23.76 BTC)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.4 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK:AM1] 1D: 0.66000000 / 0.73022396 / 0.78799900 (95 shares, 69.37127654 BTC), 7D: 0.52700020 / 0.65301904 / 0.85799990 (1412 shares, 922.06288531 BTC), 30D: 0.52700020 / 0.91519381 / 1.76899999 (3196 shares, 2924.95942608 BTC)
ozbot: 267731249.48242 | Next Diff in 986 blocks | Estimated Change: 35.2315% in 4d 10h 24m 6s
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 100 @ 0.0011499 = 0.115 BTC [-]
dub: im sure google is happy to "protect" any content they can
deadweasel: they certainly have the infrastructure to beat cloudflares abilities..
deadweasel: i have no resources that need protect, so it's just curiousity.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 19 @ 0.0068 = 0.1292 BTC [-]
ozbot: BitBet - Litecoin to fall below .01 BTC before 2014
assbot: [HAVELOCK:AM1] 1D: 0.66000000 / 0.72694694 / 0.78799899 (89 shares, 64.69827754 BTC), 7D: 0.52700020 / 0.65301904 / 0.85799990 (1412 shares, 922.06288531 BTC), 30D: 0.52700020 / 0.91519381 / 1.76899999 (3196 shares, 2924.95942608 BTC)
Bunnyh: lol, the ltc troll awakens
nubbins`: is that low / last / high, errr..?
skinnkavaj: Bunnyh: I will be here in this channel until LTC is 0.1
MobGod: so does anyone know who i can use now that btct is gone ?
MobGod: kakobrekla so no more back doors
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 329 @ 0.00114002 = 0.3751 BTC [-] {4}
nubbins`: you mean massive csrf vulnerabilities that existed on a bunch of exchanges until recently?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 103 @ 0.00114 = 0.1174 BTC [-] {2}
pankkake: investors like it in the back door
phungus: I want to find a copy of that porno movie
phungus: the original "Behind the Back Door"
pankkake: Bunnyh: I'm actually surprised no one is trying to bet after the fact
kakobrekla: people do learn if you take their money.
pankkake: it looks like the last bets were a lesson, yes :)
MobGod: kakobrekla so nothing really out there
MobGod: i'm asking what people are using now
MobGod: i'm sure they all didn't goto mpex
kakobrekla: no, most of them are still playing on other exchanges
deadweasel: although I'm sure there are plenty with back-door in the title.
phungus: that is a distinct movie from the one I'm talking about
phungus: Behind the Back Door is different and lower budget
phungus: but I think it may have had Ginger Lynn in it
phungus: that was like, the first porno I ever watched
deadweasel: ditto for me on the Green Door. first..... of MANY.
phungus: yeah this came from my friend's dad
phungus: my own dad didn't do porno
deadweasel: haha. OMG i hope my non-existent children don't find my browser history.
MobGod: kakobrekla i think they are closed also
kakobrekla: MobGod play exchanges tend to do that.
MobGod: kakobrekla ok than to ask the question correctly any play exchanges around right now
pigeons: bitfunder is only closed to "united states persons"
pankkake: it's closed to anyone wanting to be anonymous, too
pigeons: another good play exchange is havelock
kakobrekla: and also closed to anyone who doesnt want to use some 3rd party site for deposits
pigeons: doubt you can be anonymous or a united states person or entity there either
pankkake: it's also closed to anyone who value having a >50% chance of getting back their coins
phungus: havelock is not accepting new listings
phungus: until they figure out regulations
phungus: BitVPS is Shit out of luck right now
pigeons: hey how about just-dice for the man then
ozbot: BitBet - Havelock will announce US restrictions by Guy Fawkes Night
pankkake: it's funny that weexchange supports gpg authentication, but if you enable it, you are locked out of your account
pankkake: as there is no way to actually use it
pankkake: by support, I mean there is an option
pankkake: and of course, good luck getting *any* support
nubbins`: weexchange is why i never had a bitfunder account
nubbins`: who wants to sign up for two new things at once?
kakobrekla: idiots doing idiotic things, nothing new in the btc world.
pankkake: well, I created an account, luckily never put coins
pigeons: ooh i have a good play exchange if you liked btct. crypto-trade.com sells "shares" in his "ddos prevention biznas" and the exchange itstelf in ltc and btc
pigeons: yeah cryptostocks, which will never get hacked cause its run by vircurex
pigeons: oh relatively new one cex.io
pigeons: hey what about the nasty fan club?
kakobrekla: and BFL has preorders security exhcange
dexX7: "build in ponzi" lol
dexX7: mcxnow is just an altcoin exchange, nothing more
dexX7: they don't want securities
pigeons: dexX7: they have a security called "FEEshares"
kakobrekla: i think BFL preorders are the way to go
pigeons: i would get in on some litecoin ASICs
dexX7: oh wait. is the bfl preorder exchange already up?
dexX7: yeah, probably tomorrow or the day after
pankkake: even bfl fails at exploiting its failures
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.73999989 = 1.48 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 3165 @ 0.00109016 = 3.4504 BTC [-] {8}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 1645 @ 0.00109 = 1.7931 BTC [-]
FabianB_: 21:53 < pankkake> it's funny that weexchange supports gpg authentication, but if you enable it, you are locked out of your account
FabianB_: pankkake: i didn't use it for a while, but it used to work like this: put "gpg" in the password field instead of your password
FabianB_: pankkake: then you can authenticate via gpg
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 5 @ 0.39 = 1.95 BTC [-]
FabianB_: don't know why Ukyo never documented it
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.74 = 1.48 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.73999989 = 1.48 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.73999989 = 2.96 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.73999989 = 1.48 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.73999989 BTC [-]
Ukyo: FabianB_: if you enabled gpg, you must use 'gpg' as password when you login
Ukyo: was a broken method to get to gpg auth method at login
Ukyo: the new weex site just has you log in normally and then do gpg auth
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 100 @ 0.00114765 = 0.1148 BTC [+] {3}
FabianB_: Ukyo: np for those who know i guess
the20year: Ukyo: What are asset issuers expected to do with regards to our assets on BF if we personally are located in the US? I can't verify due to living in the US, unless you want me to get the nominee director verified.
Ukyo: you can verify regardless of where you are
Ukyo: and if you are an issuer, regardless you should be verified
the20year: but won't verifying that i'm in the US lock me out?
Ukyo: besides, with the new weex licensing coming up, if you are us you will wanna be verified
Ukyo: regardless a us based account will be locked out of buying
Ukyo: weather you verify or not
Ukyo: if you are not verified
Ukyo: you will be locked out
jurov: btw, i have inquired about being a BF broker for these poor US citizens... but as there is no api the prospect is moot
jurov: but if offline broker os okay, you can approach me anyway ;)
Ukyo: there is api. just the trade function is still in testing
Ukyo: i cant give you permission to be a broker.
Ukyo: not an area of discussion i can have
jurov: what if i wont ask?
the20year: are you going to go to ip filtering soon?
Ukyo: the20year: as for continuance of assets, I should have more info soon
Ukyo: the20year: already checking for ip
the20year: or is the weex threshold good enough for your lawyers?
Ukyo: but once nov1 hits, if your not weex verified, ip wont matter
the20year: I have this feeling your legal team and mine are telling us the same things :(
the20year: i'll get those docs out to weex right now
Ukyo: btw, if you have issuer docs, for corp info, open a ticket and post it
Ukyo: to have it filed on your asset data
the20year: i'm waiting for our HK seal and stuff, we're doing the nominee director thing and it's taking longer than I had hoped
Ukyo: they have finally been initiated
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 100 @ 0.00108001 = 0.108 BTC [-]
dexX7: damage computers >D
ozbot: Bitcoin price surges to post-crash high | Technology | theguardian.com
jborkl: I guess you have had a busy couple weeks ukyo
the20year: i just wish i had more capital access
jborkl: no, the run from $10 -$266 wore me out
jborkl: I do not even look at the price anymore
the20year: I posted something about capital investment and had a bunch of people chime in telling me I was stupid for asking for money from investors
jborkl: $266 to what $52 the next day
the20year: "Work hard, save your money till you have enough to do what you want" was the most common response i got
the20year: Will a weapons permit count towards the govt issued photo ID Ukyo?
Ukyo: i knwo texas permit looks almost identical to state id
Ukyo: and drivers license
Ukyo: for now, i would assume no
Ukyo: i mean, you can upload it
Ukyo: i can pass the request to lawyers
Ukyo: and mebbe in a week or two get an answer for you
the20year: it's a county issued ID approved by the state
Ukyo: i didnt say i would deny it
Ukyo: just said I would have to get it approved
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14800 @ 0.00087613 = 12.9667 BTC [-] {2}
the20year: Ukyo: will asset owners be able to transfer shares, not buy/sell, but transfer?
Ukyo: only to not us users
Ukyo: only to non US users
the20year: specifically , if a shareholder wants to just send back their shares
Ukyo: limitations do not distringuish between issuer and user
Ukyo: it does not understand. all issuers are just users
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kakobrekla: >>There are always a lot of unknowns... I'm doing my best to keep our growth rate ahead of the overall network while at the same time introducing new sources of BTC donations. The end of the year should prove to be very exciting for NastyFans. Giving up our BFL orders at this point just isn't going to happen. I would think at the very least they will be reselling at a premium for people in the bullet run. Also, we got up to a 25% discount
kakobrekla: >>discount on our Monarch orders (some lower because of a 10% order transfer fee).
kakobrekla: so wait, BFL takes 10% for transfers!?
jborkl: yes, if your order was after March 2013?
jborkl: if it was before the transfer fee is 0
kakobrekla: now its just scammers left scamming each other
jborkl: March/aPRIL SOMETHING LIKE THAT
kakobrekla: i was thinking of their preorder exchange thingy
gribble: A market order to sell 36000 bitcoins right now would net 5604020.9133 USD and would take the last price down to 125.1200 USD, resulting in an average price of 155.6672 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 70.1064 seconds
jborkl: as far as I know it is free to transfer orders to other people
jborkl: the upgrade to 28nm is 10%
jborkl: the upgrade from uselessware to Vaporware is only 10% limited time offer
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 24 @ 0.00664 = 0.1594 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 2 @ 0.40999996 = 0.82 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 569 @ 0.0011002 = 0.626 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 258 @ 0.0011488 = 0.2964 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 100 @ 0.00114979 = 0.115 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 100 @ 0.0011498 = 0.115 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 12 @ 0.14298166 = 1.7158 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 13 @ 0.14419845 = 1.8746 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 5 @ 0.40999996 = 2.05 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 106 @ 0.00114979 = 0.1219 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 5 @ 0.40999996 = 2.05 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 5 @ 0.40999996 = 2.05 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.74899979 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 37 @ 0.0065777 = 0.2434 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 39 @ 0.00664994 = 0.2593 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 103 @ 0.00114979 = 0.1184 BTC [-] {2}
Diablo-D3: now icebreaker is trying to back out and say he was complaining based on outdated information
Diablo-D3: I think someone higher up in the food chain told him to stfu or get banned
dub: obama himself most likely
KRS1: ;;market sell 38211
gribble: A market order to sell 38211 bitcoins right now would net 5894950.9038 USD and would take the last price down to 122.4534 USD, resulting in an average price of 154.2737 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 0.0034 seconds
Jere_Jones: Diablo-D3: What are you talking about?
Diablo-D3: Jere_Jones: icebreaker is saying that Im stealing assets from him even though hes admitted hes no longer a dmc shareholder
Jere_Jones: Having been historically annoyed by icebreaker, I am always looking for something solid to back up my dislike. In this case, I couldn't find anything though. But I was looking for something on bitcointalk.
Diablo-D3: its all in pm, although hes trying to drag yochdog and ukyo into it