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pgp: whoa
Bugpowder: 81
Bugpowder: is coming
thestringpuller: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 82.23450, Best ask: 83.00000, Bid-ask spread: 0.76550, Last trade: 82.23450, 24 hour volume: 172174.43696469, 24 hour low: 83.12000, 24 hour high: 102.00000, 24 hour vwap: 92.56464
thestringpuller: itss hit 90 overnight
thestringpuller: just you see
Bugpowder: There will be bounces
Bugpowder: short lived pathetic little things
Bugpowder: so unlike the bounces of yesteryear
pgp: we'll see - off to get a drink - will have to monitor situation from cell phone (blows)
orkaa: btw, anyone got a nexus 4?
orkaa: mine just doesn't like the mtgox app
orkaa: crashes on startup
kakobrekla: huh
kakobrekla: mtgox qualitat
ThickAsThieves: even the bounces are almost gone
Bugpowder: thats becuase the selloff's haven't gotten violent enough. yet.
Bugpowder: If we drop to 50 there will be a bounce
Bugpowder: every bounce with a lower high
Bugpowder: every dip a lower low
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.37 = 0.74 BTC [+]
Bugpowder: http://bcove.me/qwi5k6ap
Bugpowder: video of the bombing
Bugpowder: ;;bids 0
gribble: There are currently 49607416 bitcoins demanded at or over 0.0 USD, worth 12514542.8959 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0087 seconds
Bugpowder: ;;asks 99999999999
gribble: There are currently 161806.29 bitcoins offered at or under 99999999999.0 USD, worth 125033136860.0 USD in total. | Data vintage: 2.8288 seconds
taub: this is more like it
taub: :D
thestringpuller: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 82.20000, Best ask: 82.39999, Bid-ask spread: 0.19999, Last trade: 82.40000, 24 hour volume: 181286.53123402, 24 hour low: 81.11000, 24 hour high: 102.00000, 24 hour vwap: 91.99549
thestringpuller: ;;ticker
taub: mtgox humming along nicely
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 82.00000, Best ask: 82.23300, Bid-ask spread: 0.23300, Last trade: 85.07394, 24 hour volume: 181765.32662977, 24 hour low: 81.11000, 24 hour high: 102.00000, 24 hour vwap: 91.96967
taub: why no lag suddenly?!?! maybe they finally released the brakes...
thestringpuller: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 82.46070, Best ask: 82.50000, Bid-ask spread: 0.03930, Last trade: 82.50000, 24 hour volume: 182869.62756165, 24 hour low: 81.11000, 24 hour high: 102.00000, 24 hour vwap: 91.91353
ThickAsThieves: sdice rallying pretty hard
Bugpowdurr: no surprise there
Bugpowdurr: but that will only be supported if betting volume actually picks up
Bugpowdurr: and buy back in lower
Bugpowdurr: I would rather cash out of coins
Bugpowdurr: and then move to s.dice when bet volume is shown to be up again
ThickAsThieves: i guess it depends where it lands
Bugpowdurr: people are front-running S.DICE
Bugpowdurr: and it's low volume
Bugpowdurr: its not a bad idea
Bugpowdurr: but not a home run either
thestringpuller: Bugpowdurr: you done with btc?
Bugpowdurr: hell no
Bugpowdurr: no
Bugpowdurr: I just want more
thestringpuller: lol
jborkl: bid ask gox 88 81
jborkl: nm
Bugpowdeer: I will buy the winkelvoxen's stack when they capitulate
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9600 @ 0.00071101 = 6.8257 BTC [-]
Bugpowdeer: btw - got some c302t's on the market, CHEEP!
ThickAsThieves: hehe
thestringpuller: ;;next
gribble: expecting to test 93, then to test 98 if 93 breaks, then testing 100 and targetting 103-105 | updated by OneFixt at Apr 15 2013, 18:43 UTC ( tips: http://bit.ly/YnxUM4 ) | disclaimer: http://bit.ly/129bYJ6 | this is not investment or trading advice | #bitcoin-analysis | 2 hours, 43 minutes, and 17 seconds ago
thestringpuller: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 82.00001, Best ask: 82.21000, Bid-ask spread: 0.20999, Last trade: 82.00001, 24 hour volume: 184460.54915531, 24 hour low: 81.11000, 24 hour high: 102.00000, 24 hour vwap: 91.82169
ThickAsThieves: I have some O.USD.P089T
thestringpuller: ;;bids 80
gribble: There are currently 6374.6862 bitcoins demanded at or over 80.0 USD, worth 513716.693315 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0041 seconds
thestringpuller: ;;asks 90
gribble: There are currently 10789.73 bitcoins offered at or under 90.0 USD, worth 939197.07045 USD in total. | Data vintage: 7.8740 seconds
jurov: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 231525 | Current Difficulty: 7672999.920164138 | Next Difficulty At Block: 231839 | Next Difficulty In: 314 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 day, 20 hours, 4 minutes, and 12 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 8928892.15082 | Estimated Percent Change: 16.36768
taub: pop pop pop
jborkl: uh oh
taub: omg lol those sells
taub: cooldown imminent
pizzaman1337: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 76.40000, Best ask: 76.48000, Bid-ask spread: 0.08000, Last trade: 76.48000, 24 hour volume: 202039.77755624, 24 hour low: 76.00000, 24 hour high: 102.00000, 24 hour vwap: 90.72171
pgp2: wow
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 1 @ 1.22 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 78.00000, Best ask: 78.75000, Bid-ask spread: 0.75000, Last trade: 78.75000, 24 hour volume: 202039.77755624, 24 hour low: 76.00000, 24 hour high: 102.00000, 24 hour vwap: 90.72171
Scrat: ;;title https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K2ku1A5Ox8U
gribble: Blame it on MT.GOX - YouTube
taub: BTC bought: [tid:1366062491912230] 12.00000000 BTC at $76.10000
taub: BTC sold: [tid:1366062708031449] 9.15686140 BTC at $79.00000
taub: quick scalp :3c
Namworld: yeah
Namworld: with so much movements, easy to flip for a few USD
error4733: ;;next
gribble: expecting to test 93, then to test 98 if 93 breaks, then testing 100 and targetting 103-105 | updated by OneFixt at Apr 15 2013, 18:43 UTC ( tips: http://bit.ly/YnxUM4 ) | disclaimer: http://bit.ly/129bYJ6 | this is not investment or trading advice | #bitcoin-analysis | 3 hours, 15 minutes, and 54 seconds ago
pgp2: lol
jurov: all so unreal... since 9 April till today went travelling without access to my own mpex account, figured that won't be problem
jurov: of course, mayhem ensues in exactly that time frame
taub: http://krautchan.net/files/1366062103001.jpg
error4733: !bids 69.9
error4733: !bids 69.9
error4733: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 72.00000, Best ask: 72.90000, Bid-ask spread: 0.90000, Last trade: 72.90000, 24 hour volume: 215607.09679741, 24 hour low: 73.31000, 24 hour high: 102.00000, 24 hour vwap: 89.77153
Scrat: ;;bids 69.9
gribble: There are currently 17121.238 bitcoins demanded at or over 69.9 USD, worth 1234402.44978 USD in total. | Data vintage: 47.0863 seconds
Scrat: oh shit
jcpham: ;;market sell 10000
gribble: A market order to sell 10000 bitcoins right now would net 732027.7637 USD and would take the last price down to 71.5100 USD, resulting in an average price of 73.2028 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 103.7943 seconds
taub: looks like we're goign for 40
error4733: i use to pm gribble, it's confusing !bids work
taub: er, 50
kakobrekla: yes 50 before 40
pizzaman1337: ;;goxlag
gribble: MtGox lag is 1.852667 seconds. During this time, light travels 0.00371272392451 AU. You could have sent a bitcoin from Jupiter to its third largest moon, Io (0.002819 AU).
Namworld: MtGox really fixed the lag good
joecool: lol
Namworld: No more 300-30000 seconds of lag on panic buy/sell
Namworld: I ranges from 0-10 second
error4733: satoshi kid's play with his wallet
b0n1: haha ;)
Bugpow: ;;bids 0
gribble: There are currently 49577235 bitcoins demanded at or over 0.0 USD, worth 11076918.2758 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0122 seconds
Bugpow: ;;asks 999999999
gribble: There are currently 163292.17 bitcoins offered at or under 999999999.0 USD, worth 3921203220.22 USD in total. | Data vintage: 2.6129 seconds
Bugpow: ;;asks 100
gribble: There are currently 35249.319 bitcoins offered at or under 100.0 USD, worth 3244397.7273 USD in total. | Data vintage: 45.8733 seconds
Bugpow: kiss 100 goodbye
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 17 @ 0.48399999 = 8.228 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3600 @ 0.00071199 = 2.5632 BTC [+]
KRS1: are there options for short?
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 5 @ 0.899 = 4.495 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 200 @ 0.0006 = 0.12 BTC [-]
thestringpuller: !ticker m s.mpoe
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00067807 / 0.00069653 / 0.00071199 (321008 shares, 223.59 BTC), 7D: 0.00065356 / 0.00069955 / 0.000735 (2738441 shares, 1,915.70 BTC), 30D: 0.00059218 / 0.0006853 / 0.00077505 (9950306 shares, 6,818.95 BTC)
Bugpowder: nice little bounce here
Bugpowder: glad my friends will be able to get out above 80
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.895 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 0.89 = 1.78 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3213 @ 0.00071004 = 2.2814 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.87021 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3401 @ 0.00071004 = 2.4148 BTC [-]
deadweasel: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 77.21200, Best ask: 77.21210, Bid-ask spread: 0.00010, Last trade: 77.21210, 24 hour volume: 235487.22898511, 24 hour low: 71.51000, 24 hour high: 102.00000, 24 hour vwap: 87.89123
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.8702 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 1 @ 0.10179 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2000 @ 0.00071199 = 1.424 BTC [+]
deadweasel: that remains to be seen
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 1 @ 1.22 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: scraped another 42btc out of stocks and sold above 80
assbot: [BTCTC] [RSM] 5 @ 0.0016 = 0.008 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7251 @ 0.00070461 = 5.1091 BTC [-]
jurov: got btctalk PM with disguised link to proxy to get my password
jurov: wonder how many users will fall for it
Doffx: Hell I am always afraid I will fall for one
Namworld: I want to scrape BTC out of my stocks too
Doffx: why would you want to sell it now? Think its going much lower?
Bugpowder: Sell the bounces
Bugpowder: bounce back to 87 is pretty likely. 94 plausible. 100 unlikely.
thestringpuller: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 83.70000, Best ask: 83.71000, Bid-ask spread: 0.01000, Last trade: 83.71000, 24 hour volume: 228798.11579488, 24 hour low: 71.51000, 24 hour high: 102.00000, 24 hour vwap: 87.58152
jurov: ;;eightball bounce
gribble: Yes!
jurov: yay
thestringpuller: Bugpowder: you are supposed to be neural scientist
thestringpuller: not hedgefund man
thestringpuller: ;;seen smickles
gribble: smickles was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 week, 4 days, 7 hours, 37 minutes, and 14 seconds ago: <smickles> a bitcoin atm could be the easiest way to send money to a friend, each of you just goes to an atm
ThickAsThieves: stringpuller, still getting goxed by smickles?
ThickAsThieves: getting smickled?
ThickAsThieves: most of the btc i got out was bonds i had with Deprived, he bought them back from me like a champ
Bugpowder: he is the only non bitcoin-assets guy with half a brain
Bugpowder: actually he is full brain
thestringpuller: smickles is like overwhelmed doing people's taxes for btc
thestringpuller: likely*
Namworld: Deprived has a bond?
jurov: hehe i made him once-a-lifetime offer to license coinbr code for 90BTC
jurov: he refused
jurov: *shrugs*
ThickAsThieves: yes LTC ATF
ThickAsThieves: has bonds
ThickAsThieves: LTC ATF B1
ThickAsThieves: denominated in btc
thestringpuller: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 79.10000, Best ask: 79.57928, Bid-ask spread: 0.47928, Last trade: 78.00000, 24 hour volume: 231528.75561906, 24 hour low: 71.51000, 24 hour high: 102.00000, 24 hour vwap: 87.45454
thestringpuller: too many speculatrs :(
Bugpow: do we get one more bounce up here?
Bugpow: or back to tankage?
thestringpuller: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 80.63830, Best ask: 80.65190, Bid-ask spread: 0.01360, Last trade: 78.80000, 24 hour volume: 234374.31191872, 24 hour low: 71.51000, 24 hour high: 102.00000, 24 hour vwap: 87.29248
thestringpuller: maybe
pgp: nice to see a little volume coming back into the market...
Bugpow: huge volume
pgp: down from here I think
Bugpow: Well my friends have another 600BTC on the way to gox
pgp: we got our dead cat bounce already
Bugpow: for dumpage
Scrat: i seriously think that volume figure is bogus
Bugpow: why?
pgp: scrat: why?
Bugpow: There are serious bids and asks getting destroyed right now
pgp: right
Bugpow: this is actually the highest volume period ever, excluding the free 48 hour period
pgp: yes, i noticed that too
Bugpow: 40,000 BTC / hr
pgp: ;;next
gribble: buy targets: 74, 68, 54 | upper target 85-88, reversal up if we stay above 85 | updated by OneFixt at Apr 15 2013, 22:54 UTC ( tips: http://bit.ly/YnxUM4 ) | disclaimer: http://bit.ly/129bYJ6 | this is not investment or trading advice | #bitcoin-analysis | 44 minutes and 29 seconds ago
pgp: ;;eightball $32 bitcoin?
gribble: It shall be.
pgp: i KNEW it
pgp: bids are evapotaing...
Bugpow: now OneFixt is talking some sense
pgp: evaporating..
Bugpow: too bad he told you that AFTER it dumped
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.13999 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 15 @ 0.14 = 2.1 BTC [+]
OneFixt: Bugpow: i stepped out for an hour =(
Bugpow: ha!
OneFixt: one hour in like 2 weeks
OneFixt: and bam
Bugpow: ;;bids 0
gribble: There are currently 49590076 bitcoins demanded at or over 0.0 USD, worth 11742910.623 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0078 seconds
Bugpow: ;;asks 99999999999
gribble: There are currently 150494.7 bitcoins offered at or under 99999999999.0 USD, worth 125027833971.0 USD in total. | Data vintage: 10.6874 seconds
Bugpow: coins for sale going down
pgp: sell the bounce!
pgp: man, a LOT of coin sloshing around...
pgp: low lag is such a novelty...
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.484 BTC [+]
Bugpow: they must have upgraded their servers actually
Bugpow: otherwise lagged out
assbot: [BTCTC] [RSM] 6 @ 0.00159 = 0.0095 BTC [-]
pgp: 3day chart on bitcoinity tells the story in no uncertain terms... lower lows and lower highs...
pgp: you could almost set your watch to it...
pgp: they did upgrade their severs during the "cool down"...
pgp: problem was that they came back up with "free" trading for 2 days which killed them...
Bugpow: nice bidwall now
Bugpow: very happy my friends are going to get out above 80
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 4 @ 0.484 = 1.936 BTC [+]
pgp: PSA - sell the bounce!
ThickAsThieves: CampBX got a new logo
ThickAsThieves: it's not bad but kinda outta place with the site design
ThickAsThieves: https://campbx.com/main.php
wences: ;;goxlag
gribble: MtGox lag is 1.143437 seconds. During this time, light travels 0.00229143494544 AU. You could have sent a bitcoin across the outer diameter of Saturn's rings (0.0024 AU).
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1000 @ 0.00439999 = 4.4 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 83.47901, Best ask: 83.48000, Bid-ask spread: 0.00099, Last trade: 83.47900, 24 hour volume: 235906.16414531, 24 hour low: 71.51000, 24 hour high: 102.00000, 24 hour vwap: 87.05151
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3050 @ 0.00070866 = 2.1614 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 1 @ 0.18617 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 3 @ 0.17 = 0.51 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 1 @ 0.152 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 347 @ 0.00070461 = 0.2445 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3498 @ 0.00069916 = 2.4457 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 2 @ 0.41 = 0.82 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9084 @ 0.0006988 = 6.3479 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6709 @ 0.00069835 = 4.6852 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.871 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.8707 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.87 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 0.86 = 2.58 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 5 @ 0.83 = 4.15 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.8261 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.826 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.826 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 3 @ 0.00428 = 0.0128 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3091 @ 0.00069835 = 2.1586 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7259 @ 0.00069763 = 5.0641 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 6 @ 0.41 = 2.46 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.8709 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 17 @ 0.01 = 0.17 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 5 @ 0.10179 = 0.509 BTC [+]
pgp: it is QUIET in here... are those crickets i hear?
kakobrekla: *tubleweed*
kakobrekla: tumble*
mircea_popescu: stubbleweed lol
Bugpowdurr: i'll be back in a bit
assbot: [BTCTC] [RSM] 10 @ 0.00159 = 0.0159 BTC [-]
pgp: you know, I really wish all charting products offered logarithmic scales... especially for volatile assets...
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 5 @ 1.22 = 6.1 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 4 @ 1.22 = 4.88 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 4 @ 1.22 = 4.88 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 3 @ 1.22 = 3.66 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 2 @ 1.19 = 2.38 BTC [-]
thestringpuller: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 73.20000, Best ask: 74.00000, Bid-ask spread: 0.80000, Last trade: 74.00000, 24 hour volume: 244430.28357478, 24 hour low: 71.51000, 24 hour high: 102.00000, 24 hour vwap: 86.06528
thestringpuller: ;;bc,24hprc
gribble: 86.18
thestringpuller: jurov:
thestringpuller: where is you
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.88999 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 6 @ 0.89 = 5.34 BTC [+]
KRS1: somebody's fixin to buy $14K of litecoins
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 2 @ 0.49 = 0.98 BTC [+]
KRS1: actually $15K
thestringpuller: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 74.43000, Best ask: 74.90000, Bid-ask spread: 0.47000, Last trade: 74.95000, 24 hour volume: 246451.24074112, 24 hour low: 71.51000, 24 hour high: 102.00000, 24 hour vwap: 85.94777
thestringpuller: ;;next
gribble: 74-80 range | buy targets: 74, 68, 54 | resistance 85-88, upper target in case of breakout mid-90s - 100 | updated by OneFixt at Apr 16 2013, 1:06 UTC ( tips: http://bit.ly/YnxUM4 ) | disclaimer: http://bit.ly/129bYJ6 | this is not investment or trading advice | #bitcoin-analysis | 37 minutes and 35 seconds ago
KRS1: that thing accurate?
thestringpuller: this is not investment or trading advice <<<<< what do you think?
KRS1: thats different than the tool being accurate
thestringpuller: it's not a tool a guy updates it
thestringpuller: every so often
KRS1: it was a simple question, didnt ask if it was good advice just if it was accurate or not
KRS1: chill
thestringpuller: It's like a weather forecast...
KRS1: ok cool i understand those pretty well..thanks-
thestringpuller: ;;bc,24hprc
gribble: 86.00
thestringpuller: stop being such a meanie
thestringpuller: ;;seen smickles
gribble: smickles was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 week, 4 days, 10 hours, 7 minutes, and 6 seconds ago: <smickles> a bitcoin atm could be the easiest way to send money to a friend, each of you just goes to an atm
splnkr: way to look, glad i heard that idea
thestringpuller: ?
splnkr: bitcoin atm isn't just for getting money out of your account, but also for transferring it to anyone else
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 6 @ 0.46 = 2.76 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.36500018 = 0.73 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 4 @ 1.049 = 4.196 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 1.66110001 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 4 @ 1.6611 = 6.6444 BTC [-]
pgp: getting kinda frothy out there!
ThickAsThieves: whatcha mean?
pgp: pick up in volume, large market orders order on both side... market trying to decide which way it wants to go...
pgp: kinda like my kids splashing around in the bathtub... frothy...
ThickAsThieves: hehe
ThickAsThieves: nice time to play
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13700 @ 0.00070213 = 9.6192 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 500 @ 0.00071199 = 0.356 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: well the gold chart makes me feel better
kakobrekla: i guess another trait of slovenes
kakobrekla: should be added to definition of sloveny
pgp: lol
pgp: ok, so we're at 75... poll: were are we at 24 hours from now?
ThickAsThieves: 65
KRS1: thanks to you fine people i know a bit more than i did about Slovenia and how embarrased i was to confuse it with Somalia..especially geographically.
pgp: krs1: lol
kakobrekla: thanks to our PM id rather be in somalia
mircea_popescu: ahahaha somalia
KRS1: =(
joecool: mircea_popescu: how's romania?
KRS1: Many Americans are ignorant about other countries, ours is so big many cant even name all of our states.
mircea_popescu: sorta 50 miles east of somalia.
joecool: mircea_popescu: it's sorta a non-popular country to see on IRC
mircea_popescu: orly ?
joecool: yeah
pgp: in case you didn't know, the balkan mafia runs this channel
KRS1: I do know a few things about Romania.
kakobrekla: lol
mircea_popescu: there;'s evenb a freenode romanian server what arte you talkin' about
KRS1: Any tourist destinations there for the Dracul interests?
joecool: yeah I know there is, I VPN there too, i assumed it was because you don't have laws or something
mircea_popescu: we just don't have american nazism.
ThickAsThieves: you mean romanians dont hate americans?
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 4 @ 0.89 = 3.56 BTC [+]
joecool: i'm assuming romanians know more about americans than americans know about romanians
ThickAsThieves: romanians probly know more about americans than americans know about americans, we dumb
mircea_popescu: well... they think they do at the very least.
pgp: curiously, I have a trio of romanian developers who have worked for me for 8 years... sponsored 2 of them for h1b's... we joke about romanians in my offic all he time... in a nice way, of course...
joecool: ask an american what they think of romania, the answer will probably be around the lines of "isn't that a place where gypsies and wizards roam around?"
mircea_popescu: gypsies kinda all left for france.
ThickAsThieves: my only impression of romania is that video mp showed of dudes fucking with the kid who stole the bike
KRS1: joecool: u are probably right
ThickAsThieves: like some kinda eurpoean bronx
pgp: transylvania - that's what americans know about romania
joecool: mircea_popescu: i thought france was a muslim country now
KRS1: pgp was spot on
mircea_popescu: no that's the uk.
KRS1: and the weather is always dreadful
mircea_popescu: well... i'm from transylvania actually.
ThickAsThieves: i like dreadful weather
ThickAsThieves: rain
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KRS1: mircea popescu: i bet you can pull some bitches too
orkaa: it's finally improving here in eu
mircea_popescu: it's not dreadful. it's sort of like hm... virginia maybe.
KRS1: like a tow truck
orkaa: after 8 months of winter
orkaa: brr
joecool: well would be worse, canada is mostly cold and snow
ThickAsThieves: virginia has distinctive weather?
mircea_popescu: kinda my point.
ThickAsThieves: hehe
pgp: mp: how much time did you spend abroad? did you live in the US?
kakobrekla: sure only 8 moths of winter, wasnt there like 14?
KRS1: lol joecool wizards and gypsies lol yep
ThickAsThieves: were you born in a vampire castle?
KRS1: I am not far from Miami, FL we have a lot of culture here
ThickAsThieves: culture = lotsa spaniards?
KRS1: Cubans mostly, but a big mix of everyone..and i mean everyone
mircea_popescu: pgp yeah.
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mircea_popescu: what does "a lot of culture" mean ?
pgp: timisoara kinda like NYC right now... http://www.weather.com/weather/today/Timisoara+ROXX0040:1:RO
ThickAsThieves: good question
ThickAsThieves: must mean he is not cuban
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orkaa: kakobrekla, climate is different in your secluded village
pgp: lol
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ThickAsThieves: everywhere has culture
KRS1: Umm..means, a good mix of food/dancing/special interest groups of nationalities/people you will meet on the streets who could be from anywhere really..but a lot of Cubans...a lot of folks from the Caribbean..but also people from many parts of the world.
orkaa: slovenia's really nice these days
orkaa: http://instagram.com/p/YIg9mfCFrl/#
ThickAsThieves: where i am, its nascar and pickup trucks
orkaa: took this today
kakobrekla: zokijevo morje lol
pgp: oh shit - gox taking a crap
KRS1: I have studied with students from abroad, Egypt, Japan, everywhere.
mircea_popescu: i fail to see how this is culture.
mircea_popescu: culture mostly means written shit 500 years old or older.
mircea_popescu: you mean a lot of ethno stuff ?
KRS1: It has to be written? I have learned much about food from Jamaicans, dance from Cubans, poetry from folks from the U.K..
KRS1: Music from Brazil..
mircea_popescu: yes culture has to be written. else it's maybe civilisation
mircea_popescu: if you mean buldings or whatnot.
mircea_popescu: if it's neither then it's folklore.
KRS1: Ok I had the wrong definition of culture then..
KRS1: The Cubans make delicious food.
mircea_popescu: thuis is kinda the advantage of vbeing american/english
mircea_popescu: comparatively everyone makes great food.
orkaa: lol
mircea_popescu: even the canadians, if only marginally.
KRS1: Even the British? ;)
ThickAsThieves: nah poutine is nasty
ThickAsThieves: as is candaian bacon
mircea_popescu: that shit's sweet
ThickAsThieves: bleh
mircea_popescu: who ever heard of sweet meat ;/
pgp: english have worst cuisine - hands down
KRS1: thats real big here mircea popescu
orkaa: yep
orkaa: their breakfast
joecool: yeah english food is pretty bad
KRS1: really big...took someone from Brazil to help me realize most of how we prepare meat here is sweat..
mircea_popescu: sucks.
KRS1: yeah, gets ...bleh
ThickAsThieves: i like spicy foods (any kind of spice, not just hot), Thai, Indian, portuguese
pgp: errr, guys, i think we're gonna break 70 here....
joecool: KRS1: live without carbs for a couple months, will change entirely how you feel about sweet things
KRS1: never ate Indian food I like..
kakobrekla: fuck the price, gimme some horse meat
mircea_popescu: i love lamb tikka masala
KRS1: Carbs is the one thing I can't break away from..wish I could.
KRS1: I go mad.
orkaa: mmm, horse meat
ThickAsThieves: i'd die without carbs, vegan
pgp: carbs are killing me....
joecool: eh it's like a drug, there's a withdrawal from it, but then it doesn't matter
mircea_popescu: ^
orkaa: i'll have to treat myself with a horse burger soon
KRS1: I need to try to get over that hump.
dub: ThickAsThieves: was it you that linked thugkitchen.com?
ThickAsThieves: never heard of it
dub: if not, good vegan food blog
kakobrekla: omg vegan srsly
joecool: heh vegan = cancer
ThickAsThieves: thx!
KRS1: joecool: what?
dub: kakobrekla: read teh blog anywya
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla must kidnap vegans, feed them slanina.
joecool: KRS1: raises cancer risk
KRS1: no shit
kakobrekla: mircea_popescu crossed my mind before
pgp: yes
ThickAsThieves: thats bullshit cmon
KRS1: wow...i gotta hit teh google on that one
orkaa: mircea_popescu, http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-fj3S53HuS6g/TuJ1RicnxkI/AAAAAAAAAOA/SmT71hseD78/s1600/Lamb+Tikka+Masala.jpg
orkaa: is this it?
orkaa: nomnomnom
pgp: vegan = higher risk of cancer - recent study...
dub: sample image http://24.media.tumblr.com/5df3e6568fcd5f6c0f41b797a3b17c9c/tumblr_mjl3p5VkRK1r4qrdyo3_1280.jpg
mircea_popescu: orkaa looks kinda shitty but maybe.
orkaa: pgp, urlpls
ThickAsThieves: bullshit study
pgp: j/k
joecool: ThickAsThieves: it's not, start reading this blog, plenty of studies linked http://high-fat-nutrition.blogspot.com/
ThickAsThieves: look up proportion of meat eaten in a country compared to cancer levels
pgp: 70 gone
pgp: i guess my crystal ball isn't broken afterall...
dub: also http://24.media.tumblr.com/193181a821cfcd98d3c7a65edd04c843/tumblr_mjl3p5VkRK1r4qrdyo4_1280.jpg
orkaa: dick cancer, lol
ThickAsThieves: i will say that for some reason lately ive had trouble with energy, vegan and 3 hrs sleep isnt working :/
orkaa: just saw a guy on reddit had one
joecool: probably your insulin levels going fucking mad
joecool: riding that rollercoaster all day
pgp: 68
mircea_popescu: i have a slave used to be vegetarian.
dub: now she gets a little sausage erryday?
ThickAsThieves: lol
joecool: ! awesome, romania has slavery still
pgp: lol
pgp: 67
mircea_popescu: dub now she eats prosciutto
mircea_popescu: and cooks beef.
pgp: 66
kakobrekla: some biggish dumps yea
ThickAsThieves: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 66.10000, Best ask: 66.80000, Bid-ask spread: 0.70000, Last trade: 66.10000, 24 hour volume: 275365.83424234, 24 hour low: 66.55000, 24 hour high: 102.00000, 24 hour vwap: 84.22094
dub: I had some proper prosciutto recently, almost couldnt take it
dub: and I'll eat anything
ThickAsThieves: ;;eightball Will being vegan kill me?
gribble: Unlikely.
pgp: jesus h christ...
mircea_popescu: it's great, what.
dub: home cured, never beeen near regrigeration
joecool: well the being vegan part won't kill you, the cancer you get from it will
dub: pretty much scraping maggots off it to eat
joecool: :D
ThickAsThieves: prosciutto is deliciois
ThickAsThieves: delicious
ThickAsThieves: as is chourico
ThickAsThieves: no vegan options for that stuff
pgp: ;;eightball is ThickAsThieves REALLY a vegan?
gribble: It is possible.
ThickAsThieves: vegan 1 yr
ThickAsThieves: vegetarian 7
mircea_popescu: dub whart maggots ?!
dub: ThickAsThieves: have you seen the tofu meat replacement shitchina comes out with?
ThickAsThieves: not sure
dub: 'vegetarian pork chops' etc
dub: they take tofu and flavour the shit out of it with nuclear waste
kakobrekla: lol
ThickAsThieves: hehe
ThickAsThieves: not the biggest tofu fan
orkaa: meh, tofu
pgp: yes... with U235
ThickAsThieves: we buy blocks sometimes
dub: tofu rules
ThickAsThieves: and cook ourselves
orkaa: yeah, me too
ThickAsThieves: like it firm
dub: tofu is the shit
orkaa: but you have to deep fry it to be eatable
dub: try using it in baking
ThickAsThieves: i hate baking
ThickAsThieves: i'm a stovetop guy
pgp: My wife like tofu - show's up on the dinner table now and again
ThickAsThieves: like most
mircea_popescu: tofu is illegal in romania.
pgp: lol
dub: gf hates tofu but I sneak it in here and there
mircea_popescu: also being a vegetarian, and other faggotry.
pgp: the food of freedom?
ThickAsThieves: lol
KRS1: pgp: so you never really have to eat out huh ;)
pgp: ?
pgp: I live in NYC
mircea_popescu: he eats her out like everyone else, what.
KRS1: your comment about tofu-
KRS1: lol mp got it
ThickAsThieves: everyone eats our his wife?
mircea_popescu: ouch
pgp: lol
orkaa: her cheese?
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orkaa: damn
mircea_popescu: unintended misinterpretations ftw.
ThickAsThieves: lol
pgp: lol
pgp: good one
pgp: 72
mircea_popescu: so what's the ny-boston bombings score so far ?
mircea_popescu: i lost count.
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orkaa: have you seen the nasty pics?
ThickAsThieves: there are nasty pics?
orkaa: NSFL: http://apina.biz/100150
mircea_popescu: i've not looked. i'll survive uninformed.
orkaa: might be better, yep
ThickAsThieves: there's a big event in jacksonville this weekend
ThickAsThieves: called OneSpark, with bombs in the logo...
ThickAsThieves: feel bad for those guys...
pgp: that can't be real
ThickAsThieves: www.beonespark.com
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dub: mircea_popescu: never watched a beheading vid?
mircea_popescu: sure, back in 1990s
pgp: I have seen that
mircea_popescu: seen one seen all imo
ThickAsThieves: i remember watching faces of death as a kid
ThickAsThieves: i survived
pgp: me
pgp: me too
joecool: boston fails it so hard, they shut down the city for lite brights, not even bother to check for bombs -_-
dub: faces of death lol
dub: staged as fuck
ThickAsThieves: never went back and watched as adult
ThickAsThieves: probly true
dub: the satanists eating girl scene LOL
ThickAsThieves: mostly i remember them eatying monkey brains
joecool: http://imgur.com/a/riTdO/ << more nsfl pics, the link above i believe that's same guy pic #3
ThickAsThieves: tapping the skull
ThickAsThieves: or maybe that was indian jones?
joecool: not dead, grabbing leg stub though
ThickAsThieves: lol
ThickAsThieves: indiana*
dub: yeah the monkey brains thing is real
pgp: boston photos are fucked up...
dub: meh, go look up some shit from whereve 'murica has started a war
pgp: the dude sans leg is brutal...
ThickAsThieves: ok see i thought i saw all kindsa blood on the ground on the news, i was like did someone explode?
joecool: heh this would be business as usual in israel
jcpham: Taking a beating today
pgp: 3 day low, btw
joecool: ThickAsThieves: aljazeera thought it was a gas main explosion
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 274 @ 0.00069745 = 0.1911 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1050 @ 0.00069735 = 0.7322 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7374 @ 0.00069447 = 5.121 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3202 @ 0.0006941 = 2.2225 BTC [-]
orkaa: so no terrorists took responsibility yet?
Diablo-D3: orkaa: Im thinking it was home grown
ThickAsThieves: they said something about a dark man trying to access secure area
ThickAsThieves: yes it was that vague
dub: inb4 gun nuts protesting 2nd ammendment shit
orkaa: 'dark man'
orkaa: of course
dub: haha
ThickAsThieves: fuckin dark people, get ya every time
dub: africanised killer bees
Diablo-D3: ThickAsThieves: yeah its like
Diablo-D3: a dark skinned man
Diablo-D3: with possible accent
dub: no niggers in boston
Diablo-D3: wearing black hoodie and clothing
joecool: dub: they call them haitians, they drive the taxis
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joecool: this is what it's like in bawston
ThickAsThieves: dpends what part
Diablo-D3: bawwstan
ThickAsThieves: i lived in southie and west boston, pretty different
Diablo-D3: and the news WAS reporting a third bomb at the jfk library
Diablo-D3: and now no one is talking about
Diablo-D3: wtf happened
Bugpowder: WHHHHeeeeee
joecool: plenty of nigs in murderpan
dub: Diablo-D3: like hte plane that hit the pentagon
ThickAsThieves: spent some time in jamaice plain too
ThickAsThieves: lotsa dark men there
ThickAsThieves: jamaica*
joecool: this is why the red line is disconnected from there
Bugpowder: seen this?
Bugpowder: http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=072_1366065507
ThickAsThieves: horrible
Diablo-D3: dub: yeah pretty fucking much
kakobrekla: i see a coke bottle
Diablo-D3: dub: fucking supernigger hijacked a cruise missile or some shit
orkaa: kakobrekla, it sure is dark
ThickAsThieves: in southie, they actually have flyers in shops for bareknuckle boxing matches, or at least they used to...
kakobrekla: hm?
ThickAsThieves: pics of two scrawny 20 yos
joecool: haven't had a lot of time in southie, mostly back bay
ThickAsThieves: boston is a great city, for a city
orkaa: btw, poor north korea, they're off the headlines today
joecool: went drinking in southie a few times, it's like full-retard boston
ThickAsThieves: yeah
ThickAsThieves: i lived on one of those alley streets
ThickAsThieves: rented an attic room from a single mom who smoked pot in her bathroom
joecool: pretty much hated the time i was there, hate the city, hate that it shuts down pretty much at midnight, hate the people, hate the accent, yeah all pretty horrible
joecool: only plus side is you can actually walk, it's pretty small
ThickAsThieves: commuting is a nightmare
ThickAsThieves: and the cold
ThickAsThieves: gawd
joecool: rent was crazy high too
ThickAsThieves: like any big city
pipeline: uh
pipeline: not every big city has bad commuting
joecool: boston is especially bad
pipeline: yes
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joecool: but i guess there could be worse, boston is low on my list of cities to drive in
pipeline: boston traffic is terrifying
joecool: but it's not philly or montreal bad
pipeline: i would rather drive in philly
pipeline: at least if i had an armored car
pipeline: the traffic in philly is pleasant by comparison
pipeline: and the roads more or less are straight, not cow-paths from the 16th century
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.89899 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: hehe
joecool: well yeah armored car in philly is a good idea
joecool: fuck using a gps unit
joecool: those roads defy all logic and science
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 200 @ 0.00065 = 0.13 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 142 @ 0.000689 = 0.0978 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 696 @ 0.00069 = 0.4802 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 129 @ 0.000691 = 0.0891 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 100 @ 0.000695 = 0.0695 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 182 @ 0.000697 = 0.1269 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 18 @ 0.000698 = 0.0126 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 704 @ 0.000698 = 0.4914 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 2 @ 0.0007 = 0.0014 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 394 @ 0.000709 = 0.2793 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 100 @ 0.000709 = 0.0709 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 100 @ 0.00071 = 0.071 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 1500 @ 0.000712 = 1.068 BTC [+]
joecool: just don't make the mistake of hopping into camden at night
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 588 @ 0.000714 = 0.4198 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 30 @ 0.00073 = 0.0219 BTC [+]
joecool: that's a city they should just burn to the ground
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 50 @ 0.000746 = 0.0373 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 30 @ 0.000747 = 0.0224 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 2 @ 0.00075 = 0.0015 BTC [+]
joecool: easier to build a replacement
ThickAsThieves: hmmm this is gonna go lower faster than i thought
orkaa: hm, i should go to sleep
orkaa: i can hear the morning busses
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 80 @ 0.00079 = 0.0632 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 8 @ 0.00081 = 0.0065 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 41 @ 0.00081 = 0.0332 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 100 @ 0.00089 = 0.089 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 8 @ 0.0009 = 0.0072 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 50 @ 0.00096 = 0.048 BTC [+]
dub: wat
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 8 @ 0.00097 = 0.0078 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 10 @ 0.001 = 0.01 BTC [+]
Bugpowder: It might go faster than expected
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 182 @ 0.00364763 = 0.6639 BTC [-]
Bugpowder: now that people see the inevitable coming up to meet them
Bugpowder: the last bubble chart is very clear
Bugpowder: people will probably try to front run it
Bugpowder: I know I did
kakobrekla: i agree
kakobrekla: also the pullback might be slightly faster
ThickAsThieves: i think there are a lot of people waiting for the bottom
ThickAsThieves: wonder how log it will last once we hit it
ThickAsThieves: long*
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3312 @ 0.00071199 = 2.3581 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4970 @ 0.0006941 = 3.4497 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10330 @ 0.00069311 = 7.1598 BTC [-]
Bugpowder: remember, the psychological perspective of immediate post-pop last time was probably very similar to what we naturally are thinking now
Bugpowder: step ahead
Bugpowder: we need to think like the people 3 weeks after the pop
dub: ;;goxlag
gribble: MtGox lag is 0 seconds. During this time, light travels 0.0 AU. You could have sent a bitcoin ... nowhere, really (0 AU).
dub: gox right click unfucked the lag eh
jcpham: Easy peasy
dub: ;;next
gribble: looking for retracement to 86 | buy targets: 74, 68, 54 | resistance 85-88, upper target in case of breakout mid-90s - 100 | updated by OneFixt at Apr 16 2013, 1:44 UTC ( tips: http://bit.ly/YnxUM4 ) | disclaimer: http://bit.ly/129bYJ6 | this is not investment or trading advice | #bitcoin-analysis | 1 hour, 44 minutes, and 48 seconds ago
kakobrekla: Bugpowder thats prolly somewhat true but certain conditions have changed
Bugpowder: conditions have changed
kakobrekla: is one of the reasons why its going down faster
Bugpowder: bitcoin is in a much better place
jcpham: so what did gox do to fix the lag
Bugpowder: of course, the valuation is 8x
jcpham: Or did everyone just give up?
Bugpowder: volume is extremely heavy
Bugpowder: they fixed the lag
dub: jcpham: new hardware, higher min trade, trade rate limits
Bugpowder: must have
jcpham: I thought so too
Bugpowder: dub oh? higher min trade and rate limits?
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 16 @ 0.00421 = 0.0674 BTC [+]
dub: Bugpowder: yeah according to that neofutur shill
joecool: well new hardware didn't do shit tbh, rate limiting and putting a check to stop people bidding with empty wallets seemed to help
joecool: still sucks though
joecool: everything they do is crappy bandaid solutions
dub: I dont thing the balance check is in yet
joecool: support has a 3 day backlog, verifications has ~2 week backlog
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 14 @ 0.519 = 7.266 BTC [+]
joecool: i'm guessing they spent a good amount of money on pizza parties and don't have enough to fund all deposits
Bugpowder: luckily wire transfers out have 0 backlong
Bugpowder: backlog
joecool: so it's a cycle of sweating and eating pizza
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 0.89899 = 1.798 BTC [-]
dub: tux collection of diamond 20 sided dice
Bugpowder: lol
Bugpowder: I just bought 2500 magic cards for some used 5850s
dub: and gold leafe yugio cards
kakobrekla: dunno a friend of mine has been waiting sepa withdrawal 3 weeks now from gox
joecool: i tell them it's a 50/50 on whether they will be successful or in jail in a year
mircea_popescu: goes to 20/80 if you make it 3 years.
Bugpowder: wire
Bugpowder: the
Bugpowder: money
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 11 @ 0.899 = 9.889 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: sepa is a wire.
Bugpowder: is it?
mircea_popescu: yeah
Bugpowder: y so slow then?
mircea_popescu: cause idiocy.
mircea_popescu: but basically it's faster cheaper wire.
kakobrekla: they are saying they are capped out at the polish bank iirc
Bugpowder: well they seem to have their shit together with US intl wire, at least for bofa
kakobrekla: which is bull
Bugpowder: what banks DON'T WANT you to wire them money?
kakobrekla: its a withdrawal to be nitpicky
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 4 @ 0.89998 = 3.5999 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: basically you can't initiate a sepa wire except from an european bank or subsidiary
mircea_popescu: and mtgox is illegal in europe
mircea_popescu: that'd be the rub.
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 9 @ 0.89999 = 8.0999 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: anyway, catch all of you tomorrow.
dub: peace
Bugpowder: this selloff is brutal
Bugpowder: dude!
Bugpowder: you are going to miss the climax
Bugpowder: Bugpowder's investment return plot
Bugpowder: (brought to you by MPEx)
kakobrekla: :D
dub: wall moved lower
dub: fuck
kakobrekla: so bug, whats 3 weeks from now
dub: kinda want to sell here and rebuy but thsi asshole is gonna trap me
Bugpowder: 3 weeks from now is 40
Bugpowder: 1st guess
Bugpowder: need to think about it of course
Bugpowder: It has been shown that if you make a guess, pause, reconsider, then make a second guess, then average those two guesses, you are more accurate
kakobrekla: good info
Bugpowder: the average beats both the first or second guess, even if you have the same information
Bugpowder: I hope all my friends got out
Bugpowder: I told them all to sell this morning.
Bugpowder: dub I think there will be a bounce
dub: yeah
Bugpowder: this downward move is too violent
dub: it will be right after I sell
Bugpowder: yes
kakobrekla: lol
Bugpowder: you never want to sell after a selloff has been going for quite a while
Bugpowder: but I would exit on the next sustained up move
Bugpowder: if I still had coins
Bugpowder: (not advice)
jcpham: Exit permanente?
ThickAsThieves: looks like we'll lose 60 soon
jcpham: That doesn't sound fun at all
dub: yes officer, this dude named after tim leary's herion metaphore on the internet gave me trading advice
dub: heroin*
jcpham: I did my ten percent metal thing this morning closer to 100
Diablo-D3: *metafore
jcpham: Still waiting on the big bubble
dub: Diablo-D3: orly
jcpham: I think dub's phonetic is more
kakobrekla: well luke will be reasonably priced soon
Bugpowder: oh my
Diablo-D3: kakobrekla: we're selling luke? to who?
Bugpowder: dub lol
kakobrekla: id get rid of him for free, but his coins are 25$ a pop
dub: I suspect you'd have to pay to have him taken away
dub: expecially now his loyal mouth breathing fanbase is realising what a spineless piece of shit he really is
ThickAsThieves: lol clarkmoody cant keep up with gox now
ThickAsThieves: how things have changed
ThickAsThieves: here comes 60
Bugpowder: hooooly fuk
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assbot: [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 1 @ 0.15999 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 42 @ 0.00085 = 0.0357 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: soooo 50 tonight?
Bugpowder: hmm
Bugpowder: time to update my bid positioning
pgp: happening faster than i thought...
BingoBoingo: $30 tonight?
pgp: bp: what do you think?
Bugpowder: bounce off 50
Bugpowder: or a little before
ThickAsThieves: ugh i had a bid up at 65 i forgot about :/
ThickAsThieves: just 10btc
Bugpowder: lol
ThickAsThieves: guess i'll throw it into sdice or something
ThickAsThieves: myabe ltc
ThickAsThieves: nah
ThickAsThieves: hehe
BingoBoingo: ;;bids 31
gribble: There are currently 119758.3 bitcoins demanded at or over 31.0 USD, worth 5378138.64252 USD in total. | Data vintage: 76.0023 seconds
pgp: thought I was going to bed, but... not now!
pgp: started nibbling...
Bugpowder: combo should really be posting funny shit on the way down too
Bugpowder: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_hFTR6qyEo
Bugpowder: comboy
Bugpowder: who's got balls
pgp: how bout that ... new low... a little sooner than I expected, but hey...
Bugpowder: come on hit 51
Bugpowder: ;;goxlag
gribble: MtGox lag is 4.718365 seconds. During this time, light travels 0.00945555063055 AU. You could have sent a bitcoin from Saturn to its largest moon, Titan (0.00802 AU).
kakobrekla: you gonna play the bounce ?
Bugpowder: yeah if it hits my bid
ThickAsThieves: just did :)
Bugpowder: ThickAsThieves: 70 might be a bit rich actually… People will definitely want to buy at 50, but at 69? At 69 people are probably counting their blessings that they can sell the bounce.
mircea_popescu: Bugpowder you're making the mistake of thinking "people" are like you.
mircea_popescu: the vast majority of bitcvoin holders don't give a shit what the price is.
Bugpowder: I have made very few mistakes tonight
Bugpowder: actually
Bugpowder: and the vast majority are in a panic
mircea_popescu: sigh.
Bugpowder: the big dogs might not be
mircea_popescu: the 1% or so bitcoins that are held by noobs really don't matter in any serious discussion.
Bugpowder: are you talking people or talking total bitcoins
mircea_popescu: total bitcoins.
Bugpowder: that's different
mircea_popescu: this is money. people don't matter.
mircea_popescu: well...
Bugpowder: half the top 500 addresses didn't move during the whole bubble
Bugpowder: I saw that somewhere
mircea_popescu: exactly.
mircea_popescu: buncha noobs got tjhemselves into a tizzy. nobody really caresd.
Bugpowder: but if they didn't move on the way up or the way down, they aren't participating in the market
mircea_popescu: the mtgox "market" is very decoupled from economic reality, as it happens.
Bugpowder: and my goal is to make $ and coins from the price movement
mircea_popescu: i don't imagine a recoupling is ever likely at any rate.
mircea_popescu: i know your goal is to try and speculate, but this makes you not part of bitcoin in any meaningful sense.
Bugpowder: hence, the people that are market participants are the people I'm thinking about, since they are pushing the price around.
mircea_popescu: well...
Bugpowder: Define meaningful
deadweasel: i'd rather be profitable than be part of something in a meaningful sense.
mircea_popescu: Bugpowder meaningful, as in having a price signal. you're currently unable to make any sort of judgement as to what bitcoin price should be other than "what are others thinking"
mircea_popescu: thus you're not participating in price formation
mircea_popescu: you're merely participating in volatility formation.
mircea_popescu: deadweasel nothing wrong with that.
mircea_popescu: the only problem is that it doesn't work longterm. might as well play s.dice.
deadweasel: i agree. but for some reason this has worked out better.
Bugpowder: I think economic activity associated with bitcoin currently supports a price of ~30
mircea_popescu: well, that's the nature of chance. sometimes it works.
mircea_popescu: conversely, the nature of people is to infer patterns in chance.
Bugpowder: and we will see an undershoot on that
deadweasel: you think undershooot 30?
mircea_popescu: Bugpowder ok, but you think this based on what ?
Bugpowder: based on the stability of price at around 15 pre-bubble, and the growth in bitcoin infrastructure since then
mircea_popescu: see ? this is all "What others think"
Bugpowder: I'm 'adding liquidity'
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1833 @ 0.00070824 = 1.2982 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7618 @ 0.00071 = 5.4088 BTC [+]
dub: ;;calc [ticker --vol]*[ticker --avg]
mircea_popescu: let's look at this past week (dear lord, it is ONE WEEK) from a macro perspective. buncha noobs poured 20-25 mn into the fiat/btc exchanges. miners took out a few mn of that, exchanges took out a few mn out of that too as fees.
gribble: 37198356.7324
mircea_popescu: rest was split out back among the noobs.
mircea_popescu: i bet you the EV of the bubble is < the EV of S.dice.
dub: 40mn volume today
Bugpowder: for a n00b
mircea_popescu: dub that's not how it works tho.
Bugpowder: sure
mircea_popescu: Bugpowder well macro is macro.
dub: ;;calc [ticker --vol]*[ticker --last]
gribble: 34220690.9548
Bugpowder: and from a long term EV perspective, buying at 260 is still positive
dub: lie dat?
mircea_popescu: probably. if by long term one means more than a year or a few.
mircea_popescu: dub most of the trades count as wash trades in this perspective.
Bugpowder: IFF you don't consider future buy in
Bugpowder: potential future buy in costs
mircea_popescu: we're talking net inflows, the fact someone makes bets worth 10 btc on s.dice doesn't mean he has bet a total over 1 btc
Bugpowder: If you are ignoring volatility and bubble formation and popping, (which was obvious both during and in hindsight) then you may be making an EV positive play, but it is far far far from the best EV + play.
KRS1: that all sounds very positive to me
mircea_popescu: KRS1 it is, kinda.
mircea_popescu: Bugpowder in the end it all boils down to "it's an -ev game" and "everybody thinks they're special".
KRS1: wow i've learned a thing or two since i've been here
mircea_popescu: sure, they are. till they aren't.
Bugpowder: I agree actually
Bugpowder: everyone does think there special
Bugpowder: when they are winning
mircea_popescu: kinda how the human brain is made to work i think
Bugpowder: I maintain that luck has a huge role to play here
mircea_popescu: well absolutely.
mircea_popescu: hence the -ev / s.dice discussion
mircea_popescu: o wow, huge iran quake.
mircea_popescu: i wonder if their concrete prefab building can take it.
Bugpowder: although my brain tells my that I must be more skilled than the market
mircea_popescu: 7.8 15 minutes ago
Bugpowder: I wouldn't believe it if this was a mature financial market
mircea_popescu: it is a bounty of information and case study for actual economical discussion however.
mircea_popescu: for instance : the common wisdom is that capital controls help volatile macrofinancial situations.
mircea_popescu: well... mtgox is the most extreme case of capital controls i've ever seen implemented.
mircea_popescu: did not help.
deadweasel: we actually make very few decisions with our conscious mind. our unconscious makes the decision and the consciousness creates a story around it make so it feels special about 'making' the decision.
Bugpowder: but the seductive argument is that the current state of bitcoin pricing is based on new market participants with little experience, and by using information asymmetries, like spending 12 hours a day on #bitcoin-assets, I can beat them.
mircea_popescu: leaving aside the quite typical cypriot failure mode of capital controls (ie, corruption), it still doesn't work.
mircea_popescu: deadweasel sorta like dreams work.
deadweasel: so if you know a subject well enough and long enough (10,000 hours i think), the instinct can be correct when you're conciously not sure.
deadweasel: yeah, but it's how we work ALL the time.
Bugpowder: thank you Malcom Gladwell :)
mircea_popescu: Bugpowder i always suspected the "fight" or "Game" representation of markets is an artefact of the american mind and has nothing to do with market reality.
deadweasel: lol
deadweasel: Bugpowder: you got me.
deadweasel: :D
deadweasel: i'm Malcom Gladwell.
ThickAsThieves: also consider that the market price is manifesting itself from people doing what they think other people think people are doing
Bugpowder: I wonder how that guy that quit his job to play 10000 hours of golf is doing.
deadweasel: he's probably very relaxed.
ThickAsThieves: a map has been provided in the bubble chart
ThickAsThieves: we're just following/leading it
mircea_popescu: sounds like torture
deadweasel: work now, sign on in a bit.
Bugpowder: ThickAsThieves: I would argue though that the dynamics of bubble formation and popping have such similarities that there must be common stages of collective emotion that drive them
ThickAsThieves: at this point how do you separate that
ThickAsThieves: now we think all bubbles are alike
mircea_popescu: Bugpowder we have, of course, newton's famous quote.
Bugpowder: well anyone can draw a plot
Bugpowder: and label it with descriptors of emotion
Bugpowder: doesn't make it right
ThickAsThieves: right but knowing what a bubble looks like, allows us to construct it
mircea_popescu: not really.
Bugpowder: but there IS something there.
mircea_popescu: this is like saying knowing what democracy looks like we can now construct it.
Bugpowder: mircea_popescu: quote?
ThickAsThieves: nah
mircea_popescu: 1. we don't really know what it looks like ; 2 we've never constructed it.
ThickAsThieves: i dont mean it an intentional way
ThickAsThieves: i mean our behavior facilitates it
Bugpowder: maybe democracy is harder to construct than a spec bubble
Bugpowder: takes higher order thinking, reasoning debate
Bugpowder: bubbles are just raw emotion driven asset valuation
ThickAsThieves: the speculators note that when i bubble pops, this and that happens, making it much more confident behaior
Bugpowder: ThickAsThieves: I certainly have used the last bitcoin bubble chart to inform my position for this one.
Bugpowder: it went better than expected
ThickAsThieves: thus you are also manifesting it
Bugpowder: right
ThickAsThieves: my point
Bugpowder: sure
ThickAsThieves: we all sat here waiting for 50
ThickAsThieves: obv it had to come
Bugpowder: just, when you personally manifest it, be early :)
mircea_popescu: Bugpowder "I can calculate the motions of the heavenly bodies, but not the madness of people."
Bugpowder: ah yes
mircea_popescu: and something being simple does not make it easy.
Bugpowder: need Dr. Selden for that
mircea_popescu: such as, airplanes were made in the 1900s. ants are still not made.
Bugpowder: Seldon
ThickAsThieves: i do think we'll strike an anomaly against the bubble template
ThickAsThieves: as bitcoin is still bitcoin, unique
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves to put it simply : the more close to common thought you are, the less likely it is to be correct. the further out you are the higher chances for you to be wrong. this is how thinking about bubbles works.
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.95 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 0.95 = 2.85 BTC [+]
ezdiy: also '' Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one. ,,
ezdiy: however this line thinking is actually useless to quantify bubless, because you can get the shape right
ezdiy: but never the timescale :(
thestringpuller: ;;seen smickles
gribble: smickles was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 week, 4 days, 19 hours, 46 minutes, and 7 seconds ago: <smickles> a bitcoin atm could be the easiest way to send money to a friend, each of you just goes to an atm
Bugpowder: ezdiy: yup, that's why averaging out and averaging in are useful concepts
Bugpowder: Can't pick the top
Bugpowder: but you can tell you are probably in a bubble and peel off some gains on the way up
mircea_popescu: i think statistically the difference between the strategy of averaging in and the strategy of timing the top
Bugpowder: EV is the same
mircea_popescu: is the same as the difference between the strategy of martingale and the strategy of playing s.dice
Bugpowder: ?
ThickAsThieves: mp, re: common thought, isn't it a different situation when the very game IS common thought (speculation)
Bugpowder: possibly
mircea_popescu: actually the proof of this would be a huge step forward in economic theory.
Bugpowder: I think it boils down to psychology
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves i'm always wary when someone proposes something is different from something else.
mircea_popescu: we just don't have that many different things available.
ezdiy: mircea_popescu: martingale is for truly iniform random walk
ThickAsThieves: speculation is being at the front of the herd, rather than the back, where the wolves are
ThickAsThieves: (thinking out loud)
mircea_popescu: replace wolves with terrorists.
mircea_popescu: (ie, imagined threat). nao what ?
Bugpowder: If you give someone a 50/50 chance of making $1,000,000 or a 100% change of making $500,000, unless they already have many million in the bank, they will invariably pick the sure bet.
ThickAsThieves: well its all game again
Bugpowder: similar thing in settlement negotiations
mircea_popescu: Bugpowder also someone will tend to represent a 49/51 chance as a 33/66 chance and a 1/99 chance as a 0/100 chance.
thestringpuller: ;;seen smickles
gribble: smickles was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 week, 4 days, 19 hours, 50 minutes, and 28 seconds ago: <smickles> a bitcoin atm could be the easiest way to send money to a friend, each of you just goes to an atm
mircea_popescu: this as a restatement of taleb's ideas.
Bugpowder: sure
Bugpowder: well, taleb may be restating our ideas
Bugpowder: cause I didn't read that yet
mircea_popescu: he is, he is.
mircea_popescu: well... the old black swan. 'it never happened therefore it's impossible" fallacy.
mircea_popescu: 1/99 really is 0/100 after 72 tries or somesuch
Bugpowder: in settlement negation, client management and selection is essential for optimizing firm revenue under contingency model
Bugpowder: You want a client that already is rich
ezdiy: Bugpowder: until you're overrun by competition which caters to long trail :)
Bugpowder: so when a defendant finally raises the settlement offer from 1MM to $10MM, the client doesn't piss himself and take the money
BitHub: come join us at #oracles&rogues where we perform miracle readings and premonitions
BitHub: mircea hi :)
mircea_popescu: ello
ezdiy: moar crystal balls, yay
BitHub: yes but this one is lulz
mircea_popescu: Bugpowder this is incidentally why i never raise offers. i make an offer. any further discussion is met with a deduction from the offer.
BitHub: especially the slang
mircea_popescu: works with women, too. ask her out. she fails to accept... well... he'll have to work at it next time.
mircea_popescu: haha i missed an s in there to great benefit.
ezdiy: mircea_popescu: i'm afraid this is not universally acceptable *g*
Bugpowder: you need a client that can say, fuck 100% at 10MM, let's try for the 30% shot at 100MM
ezdiy: try that with any self-respecting woman
ezdiy: or human, for that matter lol
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10700 @ 0.00071 = 7.597 BTC [+]
BitHub: is the site issues all good now mircea?
BitHub: well the ddos bs, same guy as gox?
Bugpowder: ezdiy: works will all women
ezdiy: yeah
ezdiy: daddy issues ftw
ezdiy: :)
Bugpowder: most men too
ezdiy: well, generally works with doormats of all walks of life
Bugpowder: not just doormats.
KRS1: heh doormats
BitHub: i only trust asicminer
Bugpowder: There is a lot of truth in 'The Game'
BitHub: pua?
Bugpowder: yah
BitHub: heh
BitHub: i enjoy that
Bugpowder: of course, you must be savvy enough to adapt it to your own style
BitHub: niel strauss
BitHub: neil
pgp: morning
Bugpowder: and now deal with everyone know about The Game
BitHub: better off reading robert greene books tho
ezdiy: Bugpowder: in it's core, it's artificial price inflation
ezdiy: Bugpowder: youre making scarce something which is in reality not scarce at all
ezdiy: smart women realize that :)
BitHub: read his art of seduction
mircea_popescu: ezdiy it only works with self respecting people.
BitHub: he's the real master
Bugpowder: which is tricky, because doing the meta-game game usually doesn't not go well.
Bugpowder: I read all this shit when it was just on that web forum
mircea_popescu: they're the only ones that can go yes or no on the first presentation and stick to it.
Bugpowder: way before the books
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1300 @ 0.00070023 = 0.9103 BTC [-]
Bugpowder: I went from having NO women, to 2 hot girlfriends at the same time
BitHub: women are very easy
Bugpowder: although a part of my integrity died
mircea_popescu: Bugpowder why not tell them ?
Bugpowder: heheh
mircea_popescu: what ?
Bugpowder: early days
mircea_popescu: a
Bugpowder: I was not ready for that at 20 yr old
BitHub: have you developed your inner game yet?
mircea_popescu: girls don't mind eating a girl out once they figure out it's safe.
BitHub: don't listen to mircea when it comes to girls
mircea_popescu: yeah, i agree.
Bugpowder: I am retired from the game
BitHub: probably hasn't been with one for a while
BitHub: just be yourself
mircea_popescu: ahaha
BitHub: its simple
ezdiy: BitHub: why not? this sort of talk leads to guys one-upping each other
ezdiy: gradually
ezdiy: its hilarious
mircea_popescu: ezdiy no u.
BitHub: maybe im neggin him ;)
Bugpowder: lol
mircea_popescu: BitHub this chan has a strict no fag policy.
BitHub: or that alpha male technique thingy
ezdiy: mircea_popescu: awww. are we negging? :)
ezdiy: /insert relevant xkcd/
BitHub: heh better ban yourself then
mircea_popescu: i don't smoke.
BitHub: just run off with peoples bits yeah?
mircea_popescu: heh.
BitHub: i kid, i love you
Bugpowder: beta male move there BitHub
Bugpowder: supplication
BitHub: that's how easy it is
mircea_popescu: can't he love me ?
BitHub: just showing example
BitHub: but at the end of the day right its a numbers game
BitHub: either you like daddy, or piss off
Scrat: ;;ticker --last
gribble: 58.41000
BitHub: new girls turning 18 every day
ezdiy: depends on what youre looking for
BitHub: listen
ezdiy: till 25, people are looking just for a cheap fuck
BitHub: you know why people get gf's and wives etc
mircea_popescu: you do ?
BitHub: because they're poor and scared to die alone
ezdiy: yep
Bugpowder: hmmm
Bugpowder: can't agree with that
BitHub: its true
mircea_popescu: everybody dies alone.
ezdiy: BitHub: whats worse, there are rich people who die alone
BitHub: work on your bank account
ezdiy: in the true sense
Bugpowder: 1) positive influence on life, 2) understanding, 3) having kids
BitHub: give it away
Scrat: disregard bitches, acquire satoshi
Scrat: is what i say
ezdiy: Scrat: :))))
mircea_popescu: heh. i guess the rebellious youth of these days no longer reads sartre & co huh.
Bugpowder: those would be my top 3 reasons for a wife, in some order.
BitHub: anyway my point is, be a man and work on making money
BitHub: teh girls will cum
Bugpowder: Work on something
Bugpowder: doesn't need to be money
Scrat: b-b-but im still a poor beta fag
Scrat: t-t-thanks bitcoin-assets
mircea_popescu: srsly. learn how to handle a whip and rope.
Bugpowder: but you gotta be good at something
BitHub: lul mircea
Bugpowder: science don't pay
ezdiy: BitHub: not much money needed actually
BitHub: why
BitHub: ezdiy at last 1 million
BitHub: least
ezdiy: BitHub: it might come as a surprise, but shallow women are mostly interested int *things*
mircea_popescu: because more girls need a good whipping than need money at all.
BitHub: then you can relax
ezdiy: ie visible signs of social status
ezdiy: ie piss poor, but a good car
ezdiy: etc
BitHub: anyway lil off topic, i actually really enjoy all the different bitcoin assets
BitHub: and analysing them
BitHub: any good ipo's coming up? i'm only feeling asicminer at the moment
Bugpowder: <crickets>
Bugpowder: ZIGZAP 2.0
thestringpuller: well smickles has goxxed me
Scrat: BitHub: mine
Bugpowder: coinbullshitter.com
Scrat: it will rox your sox off
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller i thought he was getting out of brokering ?
BitHub: scrat?
Bugpowder: he probably should if he locks you up for weeks
BitHub: lul bug
BitHub: Scrat, hook me up
BitHub: scam me and i'll you tho
ThickAsThieves: BitHub, do you realize that you're repeatedly looking for confirmation that ASICminer shares are a good buy?
BitHub: i already have heaps
ThickAsThieves: you know what that means right?
ezdiy: self-assuring circle jerks are a good thing
mircea_popescu: notrly.
BitHub: well name another asset then
Scrat: BitHub: well, not yet released
Bugpowder: 24hr volume, 545,000BTC
BitHub: should i put all my btc into ziggap?
Bugpowder: this is what happens with no lag
Bugpowder: BitHub: It's a long tail play
BitHub: or maybe should i put all my btc into BAKEDwell
ThickAsThieves: you should be looking for reliable stocks that are tied to USD
BitHub: i praise asicminer because its a legit asset
Scrat: ;;ticker --last
gribble: 56.91000
Bugpowder: ZIGZAP, BAKEWELL distressed assets and litecoin.
ThickAsThieves: since USD is going up
BitHub: i want to get your guys opinions on good and trusthworth bitcoin companies that are floating assets
BitHub: i mean shares
ThickAsThieves: asicminer may be the most stable, but you are essentially locking yourself in to BTC/USD value
ThickAsThieves: which you may have noticed is plummeting
BitHub: yes
BitHub: so during these times of suicides, isn't it better to be collecting divs? and the demand for stable asset is there, so alot of people pumping, allowing you to golden parachute out later when btc price picks up again?
ThickAsThieves: :/
ThickAsThieves: not sure where to start
Bugpowder: S.DICE could be good
ThickAsThieves: you really think divs will outweigh your loss in BTC/USD value?
Bugpowder: but you really need that betting volume to pickup
Bugpowder: it hasn't yet
ThickAsThieves: Bug, check again
mircea_popescu: @DalaiLama It’s unrealistic to think that the future of humanity can be achieved only on the basis of prayer, what we need is to take action.
mircea_popescu: i guess another religion confronts its intellectual bankruptcy.
ThickAsThieves: BTC In doubled 2 days ago, quadrupled last night
Bugpowder: kik
Bugpowder: deepceleron whale watch
pgp: I agreed SDICE is the a defensive USD/BTC play
kakobrekla: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=38711.msg1853130#msg1853130
Bugpowder: what da fuck is this plot doing? http://blockchain.info/charts/balance?address=12N3m1zR6dkovEZ8fP9LkZkbgtKVX6iGwd
ThickAsThieves: lol
Bugpowder: I think calling that guy a 'whale' is being a little generous.
pizzaman1337: that chart is awesome
ThickAsThieves: that is a time travel plot
ThickAsThieves: revisionist charting?
Scrat: lol
Bugpowder: I'd restrict whales to someone with proven 10k btc in a set of addresses and is hammering s.dice for bets of >100BTC for long stretches.
pgp: impossible chart?
ThickAsThieves: skyline of Tokyo 3030?
Scrat: http://i458.photobucket.com/albums/qq302/North_Nitro/HURRDURR.png
ThickAsThieves: lol
ThickAsThieves: maybe double spend attempts causing that chart?
Bugpowder: ;;calc 550000*.003*2
gribble: 3300
Bugpowder: ;;calc 3300*60
gribble: 198000
Bugpowder: mtgox only making $200,000 today
kakobrekla: bummer
pgp: interesting to note that at bitfinex, they have changed margin rules - they use to offer 5x - I guess that didn't work out so good for them... they still have 400k lent out in margin, but at an average annual rate of ONLY 84% - used to be consistently over 300%... Sentiment indicator?
kakobrekla: hmm
kakobrekla: interesting indeed
pgp: i'll be they go smoked trying to liquidate some margin accounts....
mircea_popescu: i am boggled anyone'd take that thing seriously.
mircea_popescu: they are using the bitcoinica codebase they've stolen ffs.
mircea_popescu: what more ? what more could one do to be untrustworthy ?
Namworld: Well as long as someone can fix the security issues of the script (unless funds were actually stolen by the admin)... although it casts some serious doubts about the safety of such a thing.
Namworld: meh
mircea_popescu: no.
mircea_popescu: currently bitcoin contains this throng of idiots who literally have no standard.
mircea_popescu: if you go by them there is ABSOLUTELY NOTHING one can do to fuck up.
mircea_popescu: this will ensure bitcoin's failure on the long term if allowed to continue.
mircea_popescu: there must be standards, and if those standards are breached the person must be dead.
pizzaman1337: dead?
mircea_popescu: dead.
Scrat: pk'd
mircea_popescu: there's currently absolutely nothing jared kenna can do to become a bitcoin business person again.
mircea_popescu: nothing at all.
mircea_popescu: repaying all his debts ? nope, doesn't do it.
mircea_popescu: build a temple to satoshi ? mnope, doesn't do it.
mircea_popescu: you scam, you're dead.
Namworld: I didn't say it was good, I said it COULD be possible to reuse some failed codebase if someone fixed it. Not that I think this is likely to have occured.
mircea_popescu: but! they didn;t obtain permission!
mircea_popescu: the bitcoinica victims, one of their avenues to recover something of their lost money
mircea_popescu: would have been codebase licensing. for fixing etc.
Namworld: yeah but that's not happening regardless, does it?
mircea_popescu: doesn't seem likely. i have no idea who'd fix ror code.
kakobrekla: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=38711.msg1853238#msg1853238
kakobrekla: idiots
kakobrekla: srsly
kakobrekla: that is why bitcoin is fucked
Namworld: Maybe I should read more about these cases, but I can't care enough to go and do it.
kakobrekla: "young enterpreneurs and still learning their business"
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla how much you got locked there ?
kakobrekla: fuck you.
kakobrekla: 30k
kakobrekla: not much but eh
mircea_popescu: "young entrepreneurs learning the business" heh.
mircea_popescu: that's exactly what i[m talking about.
mircea_popescu: "he's a young dentist learning dentistry".
mircea_popescu: on your teeth motherfucker. this is okay. because most retards are tauight how to write and nothing else, then given internet access.
Bugpowder: New Major Lazer out today. noice
Namworld: Honestly, if someone is going to make an exchange or anything without much experience, make it clear BTC withdrawals will take a long time to process. Because there won't be a hotwallet.
kakobrekla: i am talking fiat money here
kakobrekla: the tx is 'pending confirmation' for days now
kakobrekla: fuck you and give me my money
Namworld: eh... that's no good either
pgp: holding up fiat is just plain bad business...
kakobrekla: Namworld the problem is
kakobrekla: noone who is sane
kakobrekla: would make fiat exchange
kakobrekla: in the FIRST PLAE
kakobrekla: PLACE
mircea_popescu: lol
pgp: BTC, expecially large amounts, i understand. Do you prefer convenience or security?
pgp: bounce!
pgp: got a little longer overnight - scale seller over 65 methinks
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.83501 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.835 BTC [-]
pgp: gox 24h volume at 547k... that's HUGE...
unbalanced: ;;seen jurov
gribble: jurov was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 5 hours, 2 minutes, and 57 seconds ago: <jurov> no wonder everyone uses ;;next
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 1 @ 1.24999998 BTC [+]
pgp: future fiat exchange will need blessing of govt and prolly a banking license to be truly succesful
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1118 @ 0.00071387 = 0.7981 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6682 @ 0.00071 = 4.7442 BTC [-]
pgp: friendly jurisdictions like panama, malta, gibralter, costa rica, even
error4733: or just use ripple instead !
Bugpowder: pgp No lag = more trades
BitHub: bitcoinmilf
BitHub: scrat ?
BitHub: let me know about teh asset
Namworld: 547k... impressive
deadweasel_work: are we going to bounce around this week and still return to 30$?
deadweasel_work: or is 50 the bottom?
thestringpuller: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 59.00100, Best ask: 59.92000, Bid-ask spread: 0.91900, Last trade: 59.89000, 24 hour volume: 547666.44717794, 24 hour low: 50.01000, 24 hour high: 98.22700, 24 hour vwap: 68.89155
error4733: ;;next
gribble: 57-58 support | resistance: 70, 77, 85-88 | upper target in case of breakout mid-90s - 100 | highest targets 111-113 | updated by OneFixt at Apr 16 2013, 10:40 UTC ( tips: http://bit.ly/YnxUM4 ) | disclaimer: http://bit.ly/129bYJ6 | this is not investment or trading advice | #bitcoin-analysis | 2 hours, 7 minutes, and 48 seconds ago
Namworld: I'd be surprised 50 is the bottom
Namworld: Also I don't understand how this support/resistance is calculated...
Namworld: This data looks dubious
pgp: ;;bids 30
gribble: There are currently 130246.66 bitcoins demanded at or over 30.0 USD, worth 5550385.33549 USD in total. | Data vintage: 8.8607 seconds
pgp: ;;bids 90
gribble: There are currently 0 bitcoins demanded at or over 90.0 USD, worth 0.0 USD in total. | Data vintage: 19.9924 seconds
pgp: ;;asks 90
gribble: There are currently 51116.173 bitcoins offered at or under 90.0 USD, worth 3911649.1496 USD in total. | Data vintage: 32.4811 seconds
ThickAsThieves: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 59.29001, Best ask: 59.66249, Bid-ask spread: 0.37248, Last trade: 59.66249, 24 hour volume: 547741.83685989, 24 hour low: 50.01000, 24 hour high: 98.22700, 24 hour vwap: 68.88007
ThickAsThieves: 50 isnt bottom
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 3 @ 0.47000001 = 1.41 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 2 @ 0.47 = 0.94 BTC [-]
pgp: ;;next
gribble: 57-58 support | resistance: 70, 77, 85-88 | upper target in case of breakout mid-90s - 100 | highest targets 111-113 | updated by OneFixt at Apr 16 2013, 10:40 UTC ( tips: http://bit.ly/YnxUM4 ) | disclaimer: http://bit.ly/129bYJ6 | this is not investment or trading advice | #bitcoin-analysis | 2 hours, 15 minutes, and 16 seconds ago
ThickAsThieves: 14 hours ago: There are currently 35974.547 bitcoins offered at or under 100.0 USD
ThickAsThieves: ;;asks 100
gribble: There are currently 68671.866 bitcoins offered at or under 100.0 USD, worth 5613040.35424 USD in total. | Data vintage: 63.7432 seconds
Bugpowder: deadweasel: I suspect we could bounce as high as 90 in the next few days, but also expect to see 30 or below sometime in the next 3
assbot: [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 1 @ 0.09001 BTC [-]
Namworld: We've accumulated a nice 68k BTC asks under 100 USD/BTC. It keeps raising, bids keeps lowering. Looks like mostly people cashing out right now.
Bugpowder: 3 months
error4733: ;;bids 49.9
gribble: There are currently 33142.458 bitcoins demanded at or over 49.9 USD, worth 1740332.85768 USD in total. | Data vintage: 89.1672 seconds
ThickAsThieves: ;;market --sell 20000
gribble: A market order to sell 20000 bitcoins right now would net 1080445.3355 USD and would take the last price down to 51.0000 USD, resulting in an average price of 54.0223 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 115.8273 seconds
ThickAsThieves: ;;market --sell 30000
gribble: A market order to sell 30000 bitcoins right now would net 1585346.9489 USD and would take the last price down to 50.0000 USD, resulting in an average price of 52.8449 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 0.0009 seconds
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 2 @ 0.45 = 0.9 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 2 @ 0.445 = 0.89 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 2 @ 0.441 = 0.882 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 4 @ 0.44 = 1.76 BTC [-]
Bugpowder: similar level of bids were there when I went to bed
deadweasel_work: Bugpowder: that follows previous bubble behavior, no?
ThickAsThieves: so 50 would only be bottom if no one dodges falling price
Bugpowder: got cleaned out then bounced to 66 in the space of 3 hours
Namworld: yeah
Bugpowder: deadweasel_work: yes. That's really the only thing I'm going on here.
error4733: when you try to compare with 2011 bubble, dont forget MTgox hack ! less than a week after crash
Bugpowder: true
Bugpowder: well… get ready for a hack then!
Bugpowder: :)
Namworld: well we've had lots of bounce. People each time hoped for a quick rise back so they could sell their BTC they bought at a premium.
ThickAsThieves: lol
Namworld: http://bitcoincharts.com/charts/mtgoxUSD#rg10zigHourlyztgSza1gEMAzm1g10za2gEMAzm2g50zv
Namworld: Still looks strongly bearish
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.BBET-PT] 1 @ 0.00195 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: yep ADX also falls whenever buying increases
pgp: i agree, though I think we could break out here to upper 60's
pgp: then come back down
Bugpowder: Trend is yo friend
Bugpowder: when it was going up, buy the dips, buy calls
Bugpowder: when its going down, wait it out, or take short term long positions on sharp selloffs, selling the bounce, if you must trade
Namworld: yeah
ThickAsThieves: we'll plateau or slight slope until buying/volume subsides, then dumping will resume
Bugpowder: The beatings will continue until morale improves
Scrat: ;;eightball will we stabilize
gribble: What are you asking me for?
ThickAsThieves: ;;eightball Will we see 40 in less than 24 hours?
gribble: NO.
ThickAsThieves: :(
Namworld: ;;eightball Will we see 40 USD/BTC in less than 24 hours?
gribble: It is so.
ThickAsThieves: oh it thought i meant something else
Scrat: if I were filthy rich I'd make a bot that trades based on gribble's eightball, just for kicks
ThickAsThieves: maybe age
Namworld: He must have confused 40 for something else
ThickAsThieves: :)
ThickAsThieves: my birthday is soon, not 40 just yet
thestringpuller: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 59.89701, Best ask: 59.91000, Bid-ask spread: 0.01299, Last trade: 59.91000, 24 hour volume: 549138.33281102, 24 hour low: 50.01000, 24 hour high: 98.22700, 24 hour vwap: 68.83756
thestringpuller: ;;bc,24hprc
gribble: 69.26
ThickAsThieves: ;;gribble If you gave 3 wishes, could I wish for more wishes?
gribble: yes I am gribble. why do you keep bothering me?
ThickAsThieves: fine
ThickAsThieves: ;;eightball If you gave 3 wishes, could I wish for more wishes?
gribble: It is so.
error4733: ;;eightball will satoshi come back ?
gribble: Naturally.
error4733: ;;eightball will satoshi say it was a big joke ?
gribble: The outlook is good.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 1 @ 1.05000003 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8550 @ 0.00070758 = 6.0498 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6900 @ 0.0007028 = 4.8493 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1400 @ 0.0006965 = 0.9751 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2650 @ 0.00069512 = 1.8421 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 5 @ 0.09 = 0.45 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 1 @ 0.07201 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [MININGCO.ETF] 1 @ 0.62 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 35 @ 0.06 = 2.1 BTC [-]
kmoneylongshanks: anyone heard anything from the people behind crypto trade?
ThickAsThieves: just that they like moving their open date
Bugpowder: coinlab?
Bugpowder: :)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5139 @ 0.00071387 = 3.6686 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 5 @ 0.00421 = 0.0211 BTC [+]
pgp: upside breakout?
Bugpowder: falling asleep over here TBH
Bugpowder: lets see it hit 62
thestringpuller: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 61.00102, Best ask: 61.69899, Bid-ask spread: 0.69797, Last trade: 61.00102, 24 hour volume: 552465.69282423, 24 hour low: 50.01000, 24 hour high: 98.22700, 24 hour vwap: 68.74805
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 20 @ 0.00377 = 0.0754 BTC [-]
thestringpuller: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 61.49999, Best ask: 61.50000, Bid-ask spread: 0.00001, Last trade: 61.49999, 24 hour volume: 553160.98601480, 24 hour low: 50.01000, 24 hour high: 98.22700, 24 hour vwap: 68.72244
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 60 @ 0.0036 = 0.216 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: http://www.google.com/search?q=scott+locklin&tbs=qdr:d lol
mircea_popescu: i wonder if he learns by it. ☟︎
pgp: all this 0.01 shit on the gox book is ridiculous...
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5087 @ 0.00071387 = 3.6315 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4312 @ 0.00071404 = 3.0789 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: it speaks volumes
ThickAsThieves: badoom
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 5 @ 0.88 = 4.4 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=130982.msg1850804#msg1850804 <this explain the nethash going down lately
ThickAsThieves: avalon is unplugging units and shipping
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.89999 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.89999 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 0.89999 = 2.7 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.851 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves interesting.
ThickAsThieves: ;;nethash
gribble: 65688.1558736
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 1000 @ 0.01 = 10 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 1060 @ 0.01 = 10.6 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.86 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.855 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.85 BTC [-]
Bugpowder: Rally looks great on the M1
Bugpowder: then I switch to M15
pgp: 68 i sprolly top
pgp: if it clearly 60's, there's a pretty good shot at upper 70's , i think
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.83 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.8222 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 5 @ 0.81003 = 4.0502 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 5 @ 0.81002 = 4.0501 BTC [-]
Namworld: lol, who trades on M1?
Namworld: I know I don't...
Bugpowder: me
Bugpowder: last night
pgp: and me
kakobrekla: scalpers
pgp: there are cycles within cycles...
pgp: c'mon
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 1 @ 1.15 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 1 @ 1.15 BTC [+]
pgp: wow
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 10 @ 0.81 = 8.1 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 15 @ 0.8 = 12 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 0.8 = 1.6 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.792 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 12 @ 0.79101 = 9.4921 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 0.79101 = 2.373 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 30 @ 0.791 = 23.73 BTC [-]
Namworld: these PUTs are pricey
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 7 @ 0.790001 = 5.53 BTC [-]
Namworld: anyone selling better priced PUTs?
pgp: they are impossibly priced - all put > 1 by bot
Namworld: yeah
Namworld: although at half the strike value, they're worth 1 BTC already...
Namworld: but still
Namworld: best puts are in the money at 32 USD/BTC
mircea_popescu: pgp 1 is a max for calls, it has no particular relaiton to puts.
thestringpuller: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 60.97661, Best ask: 61.50000, Bid-ask spread: 0.52339, Last trade: 61.84948, 24 hour volume: 562839.81439493, 24 hour low: 50.01000, 24 hour high: 97.69000, 24 hour vwap: 68.46823
assbot: [MPEX] [O.USD.P050T] 5 @ 1.080704 = 5.4035 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5000 @ 0.00069802 = 3.4901 BTC [-]
pgp: $avg
mpexbot: pgp: 68.88
assbot: [MPEX] [O.USD.C062N] 3 @ 0.80630438 = 2.4189 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5600 @ 0.00069512 = 3.8927 BTC [-]
jcpham: http://forum.kink.com/thread/33662
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8007 @ 0.00069311 = 5.5497 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: Bitcoin is a deadly pyramid scheme!
pgp: mp: i understand that puts can be > 1, but if you look at it from a USD perspective all the put are guranteed losers, right?
mircea_popescu: how so ?
pgp: am i right in assuming that O.USD.P050T is "best" put right now?
mircea_popescu: well... what's a best put ?
ThickAsThieves: the one with the lowest break even i suppose would be the "safest"
pgp: lowest implied vol? just want to walk through an example
ThickAsThieves: which would be somewhere around P074
mircea_popescu: ok, let's try the example then. [MPEX] [O.USD.P050T] 5 @ 1.080704 = 5.4035 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: if you atm have 5.4035 btc, their value is whatever, 300 bucks.
pgp: yes...
ThickAsThieves: sry ignore me
ThickAsThieves: was looking atcalls
mircea_popescu: if you keep it as btc and btc goes to $6, you have 30 bucks. so from a fiat perspective lost 90% of your fortune.
mircea_popescu: if you trade it for puts and btc goes to $6, you now have 44/6 * 5 = 35 btc or so.
mircea_popescu: even if you count those at $6 each, it's hardly a loser compared to 30 bucks.
ThickAsThieves: best put atm is 89
pgp: 35 BTC * 6 = $210
pgp: I started with $300
pgp: no way to win in fiat terms
mircea_popescu: yes well, you didn't. you started with 5 btc.
mircea_popescu: the easy way to get 300 is to sell out.
mircea_popescu: basically the bot is of the opinion BTC is fucked,
mircea_popescu: on the strength of what it saw in the charts.
mircea_popescu: this is something we've been discussing at length yest i thought ?
pgp: look at the trade in the sense that I start in fiat and end in fiat - guaranteed loser
ThickAsThieves: no puts or calls are really worth it atm
mircea_popescu: as far as the bot is concerned, bitcoin is a dead horse it would seem.
assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 2 @ 0.00063 = 0.0013 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: that was the entire point of yest's convo
assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 8 @ 0.00062 = 0.005 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: bit is scurred
pgp: if we used your prices, converted to USD and computed like convention option in USD, all puts are guaranteed losers...
ThickAsThieves: bot*
ThickAsThieves: so sell btc instead
ThickAsThieves: bot does not want out business
ThickAsThieves: our*
mircea_popescu: more like "nothing that goes from 20 to 260 and then down to 60 has a future"
mircea_popescu: which, on the strength of that alone, i find difficult to contest
ThickAsThieves: meh
mircea_popescu: and the bot only sees graphs, charts and so forth.
ThickAsThieves: a little obtuse imo
mircea_popescu: it doesn't make judgements as of technology etc.
mircea_popescu: well ofcourse. it's a bot after all.
ThickAsThieves: it could still be making money
ThickAsThieves: if it was smarter
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 15 @ 0.0042 = 0.063 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 14 @ 0.00421 = 0.0589 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 157 @ 0.004285 = 0.6727 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: bot is an instrument in the volatility game, yet goes to bed when things get volatile
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 52 @ 0.004287 = 0.2229 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: yes. just like the guy on first base is an instrument in the game of baseball
mircea_popescu: yet he leaves the field once somebody takes out a machete.
ThickAsThieves: lol
jborkl: micrea_popescu can you clear a deposit
mircea_popescu: one of the key factors eveeryone has to consider when promoting idiocy,
ThickAsThieves: is machetes
mircea_popescu: whether it's pirate idiocy like gigavps did, or price idiocy like keiser & co did, or simple technical idiocy like pushing tradehill or coinbase etc :
mircea_popescu: as stupidity is promoted, sense simply leaves.
ThickAsThieves: like you said, we already discussed this, so I shouldnt beat the dead horse, but in the end the bot is flawed
ThickAsThieves: not a horrible crime
mircea_popescu: im not terivbly sure it's flawed.
mircea_popescu: we are looking into it, but overall it's a difficult argument.
mircea_popescu: anwyay. deposits flushed.
guruvan: I wouldn't let most any of my own automated trader bots trade in this market
mircea_popescu: the chief idea here is that mechanisms that exist to make this a market, and serious, and worth money, and respectable,
mircea_popescu: can be wrecked by people being idiots.
mircea_popescu: inasmuch as people behave idiotically they have not the right to functioning mechanisms, nor are entitled to actual service.
guruvan: swing machetes made of USD around wildly in the air
mircea_popescu: i guess the one most bitter lesson btc will force down people's throats is that elusive personal responsibility thing.
mircea_popescu: that conservatives always roil about and socialists keep pretending to have never quite heard of.
ThickAsThieves: didnt know the bot was so political
guruvan: maybe the bot should tweet
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: nature of the world is political sadly.
assbot: [MPEX] [O.USD.P059T] 90 @ 0.2 = 18 BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [O.USD.P059T] 18 @ 0.2 = 3.6 BTC
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.861 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: 17:22.30 ( coinmaster ) [MtGox] BTC 66.920 USD (-1.280 USD)
kakobrekla: 17:22.34 ( coinmaster ) [Stamp] BTC 74.780 USD (+0.780 USD)
kakobrekla: lulz
kakobrekla: /rally -on
kakobrekla: !r CyrusAFK
mircea_popescu: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZaOhMk1r5I
kakobrekla: well
kakobrekla: we have some buying happening
kakobrekla: 76
kakobrekla: 77
kakobrekla: lmao
kakobrekla: 78
ThickAsThieves: hold for my deposits plzzzzz
kakobrekla: someone wanted 10k btc
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.80101 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.801 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 5 @ 0.790301 = 3.9515 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 0.7903 = 1.5806 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 0.7903 = 1.5806 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 0.790233 = 2.3707 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 5 @ 0.790202 = 3.951 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.7902 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 5 @ 0.7901 = 3.9505 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 9 @ 0.79 = 7.11 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: so everything's back to normal!
ThickAsThieves: buy buy buy ;)
ThickAsThieves: lag is back?
ThickAsThieves: ;;goxlag
gribble: MtGox lag is 8.284369 seconds. During this time, light travels 0.0166017827196 AU. You could have sent a bitcoin one full loop along the orbit of the Moon around Earth (0.016 AU).
ThickAsThieves: got pizza on the processor again
ThickAsThieves: So now they freez at high price
ThickAsThieves: to influence markets
ThickAsThieves: to buy
ThickAsThieves: for another big dump
ThickAsThieves: ;;goxlag
gribble: MtGox lag is 2.067305 seconds. During this time, light travels 0.0041428560733 AU. You could have sent a bitcoin from Jupiter to its third largest moon, Io (0.002819 AU).
bgupta: ddos?
joecool: quality
bgupta: feels ddos-like since sites other mtgox are acting wonky
joecool: that's the upgraded hardware
joecool: doing its job
pgp: and back down again
bgupta: other than mtgox
thestringpuller: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 71.13370, Best ask: 71.19999, Bid-ask spread: 0.06629, Last trade: 71.30500, 24 hour volume: 599982.61592459, 24 hour low: 50.01000, 24 hour high: 96.41990, 24 hour vwap: 68.47706
ThickAsThieves: burnside wake up!
assbot: [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 1 @ 0.1551 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.USD.P059T] 4 @ 0.2 = 0.8 BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [O.USD.P059T] 1 @ 0.2 BTC
pizzaman1337: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 77.00000, Best ask: 77.19000, Bid-ask spread: 0.19000, Last trade: 77.00000, 24 hour volume: 604694.37166289, 24 hour low: 50.01000, 24 hour high: 96.35000, 24 hour vwap: 68.48964
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2000 @ 0.00365 = 7.3 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1000 @ 0.00365001 = 3.65 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1000 @ 0.00355003 = 3.55 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.USD.P059T] 15 @ 0.2 = 3 BTC
KRS-1: looking much better
assbot: [MPEX] [O.USD.P059T] 3 @ 0.2 = 0.6 BTC
pgp: 24h volume is 614k on gox - my, my, that's a lot of coin
assbot: [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 1 @ 0.14399 BTC [-]
Namworld: pgp: I have traded over 2500 BTC on ~250 BTC...
Namworld: 614k is probably less than actual BTC traded, probably a good chunk of back and forth
Namworld: Fortunately...
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 4 @ 0.43 = 1.72 BTC [+]
error4733: ;;next
gribble: 57-58 support | resistance: 70, 77, 85-88 | upper target in case of breakout mid-90s - 100 | highest targets 111-113 | updated by OneFixt at Apr 16 2013, 10:40 UTC ( tips: http://bit.ly/YnxUM4 ) | disclaimer: http://bit.ly/129bYJ6 | this is not investment or trading advice | #bitcoin-analysis | 5 hours, 39 minutes, and 17 seconds ago
Namworld: ...
assbot: [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 1 @ 0.14399 BTC [-]
Diablo-D3: ;;next
gribble: 57-58 support | resistance: 70, 77, 85-88 | upper target in case of breakout mid-90s - 100 | highest targets 111-113 | updated by OneFixt at Apr 16 2013, 10:40 UTC ( tips: http://bit.ly/YnxUM4 ) | disclaimer: http://bit.ly/129bYJ6 | this is not investment or trading advice | #bitcoin-analysis | 5 hours, 44 minutes, and 6 seconds ago
Diablo-D3: oh nice
kakobrekla: this is not nice
kakobrekla: you are not polite
kakobrekla: behave.
jurov: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 75.00000, Best ask: 75.20000, Bid-ask spread: 0.20000, Last trade: 75.00000, 24 hour volume: 619256.52243863, 24 hour low: 50.01000, 24 hour high: 95.99999, 24 hour vwap: 68.57269
jurov: 95? when?
kakobrekla: yesterday
Namworld: yeah
assbot: [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 1 @ 0.14399 BTC [-]
jcpham: http://jcph.am/2013/04/15/good-love/
jcpham: more blog
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2112 @ 0.0036 = 7.6032 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1000 @ 0.00350001 = 3.5 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.USD.P059T] 13 @ 0.2 = 2.6 BTC
assbot: [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 1 @ 0.15 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: hm
kakobrekla: i just switched that video to 2.30 or smth
kakobrekla: whats that garbage
assbot: [MPEX] [O.USD.P059T] 2 @ 0.2 = 0.4 BTC
kakobrekla: failing to imitate outcast
jcpham: cats in heat murdering each other
joecool: HIV
jcpham: marvin gaye after that
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.14 BTC [-]
error4733: ;;asks 89.9
gribble: There are currently 28254.964 bitcoins offered at or under 89.9 USD, worth 2384060.18064 USD in total. | Data vintage: 34.7650 seconds
KRS-1: ;;bids 80
gribble: There are currently 0 bitcoins demanded at or over 80.0 USD, worth 0.0 USD in total. | Data vintage: 46.6460 seconds
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1000 @ 0.00340001 = 3.4 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.USD.P059T] 4 @ 0.2 = 0.8 BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3740 @ 0.00069482 = 2.5986 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 1 @ 0.14001 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 1 @ 0.14 BTC [-]
Scrat: ;;ticker --vol
gribble: 625728.90077261
Scrat: sick
error4733: ;;asks 89.9
gribble: There are currently 24685.39 bitcoins offered at or under 89.9 USD, worth 2107078.45197 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0031 seconds
ThickAsThieves: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 80.25100, Best ask: 80.44815, Bid-ask spread: 0.19715, Last trade: 80.44815, 24 hour volume: 629746.79613590, 24 hour low: 50.01000, 24 hour high: 95.90000, 24 hour vwap: 68.70007
ThickAsThieves: ;;next
gribble: 57-58 support | resistance: 70, 77, 85-88 | upper target in case of breakout mid-90s - 100 | highest targets 111-113 | updated by OneFixt at Apr 16 2013, 10:40 UTC ( tips: http://bit.ly/YnxUM4 ) | disclaimer: http://bit.ly/129bYJ6 | this is not investment or trading advice | #bitcoin-analysis | 6 hours, 7 minutes, and 6 seconds ago
error4733: ;;eightball 90$ today ?
gribble: The answer is def-- oooh! shiny thing!
Bugpowder: it was just a temporary setback guys
Bugpowder: moving ALL IN
Namworld: ;;eightball Will price go down to 40 USD/BTC today?
gribble: The answer is certainly yes.
error4733: go home eightball u'r drunk
error4733: still 70% cashed out bug ?
mircea_popescu: lol
Bugpowder: nope
Bugpowder: 100%
Bugpowder: actually
assbot: [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 1 @ 0.17999 BTC [+]
Namworld: 100% cashed out... sounds like me
assbot: [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 2 @ 0.18 = 0.36 BTC [+]
Bugpowder: need to cash out the proceeds from the call sales
assbot: [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 1 @ 0.1885 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 6 @ 0.19 = 1.14 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 100 @ 0.19 = 19 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 10 @ 0.37 = 3.7 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: you are moving in at 80?
error4733: he wait for 30
kakobrekla: 18:48.24 ( Bugpowder ) moving ALL IN
Bugpowder: joking
Bugpowder: sorry
kakobrekla: well i wouldnt be suprised tbh
error4733: ;;asks 89.9
Bugpowder: hee hee
gribble: There are currently 20219.645 bitcoins offered at or under 89.9 USD, worth 1753446.30424 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0031 seconds
Bugpowder: I just wish I hadn't sold what I picked up at 52 and 51 last night
Bugpowder: good trade needs good entry, check, good exit, FAIL.
kakobrekla: exit is the bigger part of the trade
error4733: ;;goxlag
gribble: MtGox lag is 18.6353 seconds. During this time, light travels 0.0373449325488 AU. You could have sent a bitcoin ten times between Earth and Moon (0.0257 AU).
Bugpowder: OK. Final Ponzi Plot update. Future updates will start from $1 again.
Bugpowder: http://i.imgur.com/weHoYzJ.png
Bugpowder: dope track http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSaYQc3z7us
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4000 @ 0.00069482 = 2.7793 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2013/because-most-people-are-idiots-in-spite-of-never-manning-up-and-admitting-to-it/#comment-92759
mircea_popescu: there's a bunch of people looking to verbally invest into btc
Bugpowder: lol
mircea_popescu: i'm getting a few dozen a week by now.
mircea_popescu: i wonder what's the headcount of bullshit artists at today. 4bn ? 7bn ?
Bugpowder: You know what's cooler than claiming a $100,000 investment in BTC? Claiming a $10,000,000 investment.
mircea_popescu: you know what's more idiotic than claiming you're a millionaire while begging for free pizza ?
Bugpowder: no imagination these days.
Bugpowder: gotta think big peopel!
kakobrekla: i think some became millionaries by begging for free pizzas
error4733: some became millionaries with 2 pizzas
kakobrekla: yeah mp you really should have picked a different dish
kakobrekla: pizzas have implications.
thestringpuller: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 74.20000, Best ask: 74.38000, Bid-ask spread: 0.18000, Last trade: 75.00000, 24 hour volume: 643361.01494130, 24 hour low: 50.01000, 24 hour high: 94.67089, 24 hour vwap: 68.78895
Bugpowder: One of the more exciting moments from last night... http://i.imgur.com/2cJLOTO.png
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla they do ?! what ?
mircea_popescu: o nm lol.
mircea_popescu: yeah. baklava.
kakobrekla: yeah i pasted a link to the book when it was showing that
kakobrekla: but dub said 'wut'
Bugpowder: yes and I capped it
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 1 @ 0.00065 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 200 @ 0.00064 = 0.128 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 5 @ 0.00063 = 0.0032 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 40 @ 0.00062 = 0.0248 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: >>http://i.imgur.com/2cJLOTO.png
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 250 @ 0.00061 = 0.1525 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: did you name it LOTO ?
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 20 @ 0.000609 = 0.0122 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 1 @ 0.000608 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 726 @ 0.000608 = 0.4414 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 99 @ 0.000607 = 0.0601 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 4 @ 0.0006 = 0.0024 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 200 @ 0.0006 = 0.12 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: there goes the 50-100k investment ;/
Bugpowder: nope
kakobrekla: cause it was a lottery
Bugpowder: its the new YOLO
kakobrekla: hehe
Bugpowder: 646,000 BTC / 24hr
Bugpowder: just keeps rising
kakobrekla: good sign i guess
Bugpowder: lack of lag is nice
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 1 @ 0.00058 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 3725 @ 0.000566 = 2.1084 BTC [-]
jcpham: my wife just brought me a sandwich and walked out\
Bugpowder: I wonder how much added liquidity is a result of the reduced fees from couting all the volume during the free trade period towards current fee schedule.
Scrat: jcpham: sounds like a good wife
jcpham: i'm speechless
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 16 @ 0.003811 = 0.061 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: jcpham you need to start with domestication early
kakobrekla: thats is the trick
Scrat: it's just the whales playing with each other
Scrat: they will get bored
jcpham: it has bacon on it too
error4733: she know you have hard time
kakobrekla: theyll get borred and go back fapping sdice
Scrat: the bugpowdery whales
deadweasel_work: well you already married her, all you can do now is eat your sandwich
jcpham: ikr
jcpham: need to do something for her
kakobrekla: return empty plate?
jcpham: perfect plan!\
error4733: ask for a second round, best compliment ever
deadweasel_work: just tell her you love her and don't dutch oven her. that should be good for a while.
Scrat: "blow me while i day trade honey"
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 0.837 = 1.674 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: so is jcpham dead from cyanide poisoning yet ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6750 @ 0.0006891 = 4.6514 BTC [-]
error4733: did she ask how reddem a private key yesterday ?
unbalanced: Bugpowder, what's the red USD scale in that last plot? USD/BTC? Thousands? I think I get the blue scale.
jcpham: sadly she knows the passphrase to my wallet
Bugpowder: fold gain in $ terms
jcpham: ...if only she knew how to mount an encrypted truecrypt container
error4733: so its 5 letter max ! sounds a bad passphrase !
bitesak: ;;bids 0
gribble: There are currently 52749739 bitcoins demanded at or over 0.0 USD, worth 12462919.8992 USD in total. | Data vintage: 17.3470 seconds
error4733: 16M$ yesterday :/ sick sick
Bugpowder: 10M early this morning
unbalanced: Ah, it was just the $ on the axis labels throwing me off.
Bugpowder: I'm losing faith in the predictive power of this indicator
kakobrekla: there is a lot of noise
unbalanced: So the plot ends at 25x in USD terms, 3x in BTC terms. That'll do, pig. That'll do.
Bugpowder: it sounds so small when you say it like that
unbalanced: (Has anyone seen the movie "Babe"? No?)
Bugpowder: the talking pig movie?
Bugpowder: no
unbalanced: File it under famous movie understatements.
unbalanced: The pig saves the farm, incredible achievements transpire, and the perpetually grumpy farmer finally says something positive.
unbalanced: http://stream.pleated-jeans.com/post/8902740029/thatll-do-pig
kakobrekla: lol
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 2 @ 0.51 = 1.02 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 1 @ 0.19499 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 113 @ 0.195 = 22.035 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 10 @ 0.80599 = 8.0599 BTC [-]
jcpham: http://online.wsj.com/article/PR-CO-20130416-909009.html
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.805 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.801 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.801 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 20 @ 0.791 = 15.82 BTC [-]
Scrat: binary bets :/
pgp: binany options is like satoshi dice... negative EV
assbot: [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 1 @ 0.19899 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 1 @ 0.15001 BTC [-]
Bugpowder: Back to 70
mircea_popescu: well pretty much every scam has to be tried out at least once
Bugpowder: did u see the million dollar bitcoin homepage
Bugpowder: ?
deadweasel_work: lol, just read bitcoin-assets.com again. "- don’t slap yourself [in public] (yes you DeadWeasel), it’s spammy"
pgp: thinking about getting long? http://www.bing.com/videos/watch/video/bad-idea-jeans/17w5aaq4o
kakobrekla: us only
mircea_popescu: Bugpowder the million dollar bitycoin ? or the bitbillion ?
mircea_popescu: or bitmillions or w/e the fuck ? thye kinda run together by now
Bugpowder: http://www.milliondollarbitcoinhomepage.com/faq.php
Bugpowder: The faq is pretty embarrassing... suprised he hasn't taken it down yet.
Bugpowder: Filling up fast. http://www.milliondollarbitcoinhomepage.com/index.php
mircea_popescu: heh. is this a buttcoin parody ?
kakobrekla: i bought it all and painted gray
mircea_popescu: "14.04.2013
mircea_popescu: Website Traffic
mircea_popescu: The site traffic is growing every day! Today almost 1,000 uniques and counting. Be the first to pick up your spot on the homepage. Prime time to pick the best spots =)"
deyyo: lol at the faq….that is so retarded
Bugpowder: he should seed the page with some fake ads
Bugpowder: put an mpex and mtgox ad on there
Bugpowder: give it some cred
mircea_popescu: he did ?!
mircea_popescu: Available: 1,000,000 Busy: 0
mircea_popescu: where ?
kakobrekla: im just trying to see how much it costs to write fuck you there but its expecive as shit
Bugpowder: he should
Bugpowder: not clever enough
jcpham: http://i.imgur.com/9uxIPKb.png
jcpham: I WIN
Bugpowder: the street musician ALWAYS has some money in the hat
mircea_popescu: he's not smart enough to make a buck busking
mircea_popescu: hence why he's on the internet.
mircea_popescu: also, 100 dollars per pixel ? what's this to do with bitcoins.
jcpham: shrug i got bored of drawing dicks
jcpham: doesn't minesweeper for shit
joecool: 8======>~~~~~~~~
jcpham: never found a single mine
kakobrekla: lol
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: thats because you're so good at it.
jcpham: drawing dicks or playing minesweeper ;)?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 3 @ 1.71 = 5.13 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 1.70000001 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 5 @ 1.7 = 8.5 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: yea
kakobrekla: finding dick patterns in the freemine zone
joecool: that's a minesweeping tactic
jcpham: here's a funny story
jcpham: this one time i was sitting around this campfire
joecool: the dicks i mean
jcpham: this 12 year old kid blurts out
jcpham: "that fire looks like satan's penis!"
jcpham: i say
jcpham: "excuse me, were you thinking about dicks just now?"
jcpham: everyone laughs at kid
pgp: kid commits suicide...
jcpham: yeah...
jcpham: poor guy was broken in front of his peers
Diablo-D3: the only proper response to that is "I was thinking how your mom fits mine perfectly"
pgp: only response
mircea_popescu: that awkward moment when you're watching a vid of some girls going down some stairs and exlaim "wait a second, this is that hotel in belgrade"
mircea_popescu: only to immediately realise that a. yes it is, b. they're getting banged and c. that's actually when you were there.
mircea_popescu: worse than satan penis. now people think i'm going senile.
jurov: how does that follow?
jurov: you forgot you filmed them?
mircea_popescu: i didn't film it
mircea_popescu: i was just there in case they needed money to replace destroyed underwear etc.
joecool: sounds reasonable
deadweasel_work: my underwear is in tatters: 1GdtkZzhZTzBssUq6bnE27cz4rv5SJ4sr5
mircea_popescu: must have proof first miss.
jurov: deadweasel you whore, how is my job?
deadweasel_work: it's in the queue.
jurov: don't tell me you fapped hard and spranied wrist again :)
mircea_popescu: this time he was tryhing something new
mircea_popescu: and sprained his thumb
deadweasel_work: new AND exciting!
mircea_popescu: "This is not the case here. Paying the 30BTC doesn’t mean that other people can then trade via me and I will be able to earn commissions from their trades."
mircea_popescu: according to new research.
jurov: where? i so want to troll them that i paid for special broker license
mircea_popescu: on trilema
mircea_popescu: people have found the article where some doods who explain how $600 is way too much are being hammered, and want to add their own "$3000 is too much" contributions.
mircea_popescu: basically the internet is this place where funny just grows. like a sort of agar for humor.
KRS-1: or fungus
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5060 @ 0.00069482 = 3.5158 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1315 @ 0.00069802 = 0.9179 BTC [+]
jurov: Yes, you’re correct. For reselling MPEx account, you need special broker license from exclusive reseller such as CoinBr.com. To obtain it, please send 99 BTC to CoinBr662GWdiqVz8mXJUnYjWZbBchKAb .
jurov: ftw
mircea_popescu: no 1 ?
mircea_popescu: you started your own scamcoin ?
jurov: no, just issuing mpex broker licenses
jurov: lets see what happens nao
gribble: MtGox lag is 0 seconds. During this time, light travels 0.0 AU. You could have sent a bitcoin ... nowhere, really (0 AU).
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 69.22100, Best ask: 69.98000, Bid-ask spread: 0.75900, Last trade: 69.22100, 24 hour volume: 657938.34800807, 24 hour low: 50.01000, 24 hour high: 93.00998, 24 hour vwap: 68.33931
deadweasel_work: don't forget the monthly upkeep fee.
jurov: that's there, in fine print
mircea_popescu: i wonder if the two are the same one guy.
jborkl: holy shit, you see unconfirmed transactions
jborkl: 5674
jborkl: well a block just went through, still over 5000
mircea_popescu: yeah.
Bugpowder: I see 962
jborkl: well, it just randomly changed for me also, now at 1100
jborkl: back to showing 5300
Scrat: ahahah
Scrat: ;;title https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=IbSOHwCOnG0#t=304s
gribble: Keiser Report: Magic of Bitcoin Gathering (E432) - YouTube
Bugpowder: not for me
kakobrekla: is this a parody on MTG?
Bugpowder: Wow. I never actually watched Max. He really looks and sounds like a troll.
Bugpowder: like a real troll
Scrat: you never know with max keiser
Scrat: poe's law applies
joecool: lol for real
joecool: i wonder if he lives under a bridge, i notice there's a bridge in the background behind him
jcpham: who's got a bridge for sale?
kakobrekla: no cause he sold his coins in time :)
jcpham: pretty sure keiser pumped and dumped already
jcpham: can't listen to him anymore
Namworld: Selling bridge! Only 200000 BTC!
deyyo: i couldn't watch him for more than 10 seconds...
Namworld: Yeah, I'm sure he sold near the top
deyyo: he just looks and sounds retarded
Scrat: i have overlayed gollum on max keiser
Scrat: proportions match perfectly
Namworld: He looks like gollum, but with more hairs and not yet as skinny
error4733: some of you already bought something on bitmit ?
kakobrekla: its still better than half of the shit you find outthere about bitcoin
error4733: i need btc on my account before bidding or i can fill my account after & pay ?
Bugpowder: hmmm... gox is over 80% http://bitcoinity.org/markets/list?currency=ALL&span=24h
Bugpowder: I thought lower
Namworld: Scrat, maybe if Bitcoins dies one day, when all BTC are lost to lost keys, he'll have the last cascacius coin, the last bitcoin, saying "My Precious"
pgp: "krugman is a complete bimbo"
kakobrekla: o lloky bitpay guy in the keiser show
kakobrekla: looky*
kakobrekla: he is everywhere
Scrat: Namworld :'(
deadweasel_work: scrat, link us to gollum keiser?
kakobrekla: $vwap
mpexbot: kakobrekla: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=Ji7dHBNm
Scrat: sorry I exited photoshop in disgust
Scrat: mtgox x232 3,021.3251 @ 68.73813904 USD
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.51499989 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: also wtf "even if you were to take over the network people would see it comming....... you cant fllip a switch and take 51% of the network"
kakobrekla: is he retarded?
kakobrekla: srsly
kakobrekla: even the big stars get it wrong
kakobrekla: fucked
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 1 @ 0.000699 BTC [+]
pgp: that is not what prisoners dilemma is all about - is it?
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla who;s rthat ?
mircea_popescu: sounds a lot like the internet is not like a truck argument.
kakobrekla: the bitpay dude
kakobrekla: on the keiser show
pgp: ridiculous...
pgp: does he really have a .ru email address?
Namworld: [15:13] <kakobrekla> also wtf "even if you were to take over the network people would see it comming....... you cant fllip a switch and take 51% of the network"
Namworld: Well... if someone were to do that... that's exactly how they'd do it.
Diablo-D3: exactly
Diablo-D3: thats how I'd do it if I wanted to
pgp: critical level here
Diablo-D3: and I'd leave the shit on just enough to make it work
Diablo-D3: and then flip it back off
kakobrekla: luckly for us it doesnt matter what you would do
pgp: actually, isn't hashing power now more concentrated than ever?
Namworld: yes
Diablo-D3: pgp: wont be after asicminer unleashes a 200th load all over your face
Namworld: Mostly in ASICMINER's hands
Namworld: they'll reach 51% at this rate
pgp: right - so... that doesn't seem so secure to me...
pgp: that's the reason yifu started avalon, right?
pgp: down we go...
pgp: c'mon - sell, sell, sell!
mircea_popescu: pgp yea.
mircea_popescu: Namworld i think avalon is delivering.
pgp: so, extrpolate into the future - how does the mining shit play out?
Namworld: good
Namworld: going to add some balance
Namworld: BFL failed at that
mircea_popescu: i imagine more people will make more chips.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3975 @ 0.00070239 = 2.792 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2925 @ 0.0006891 = 2.0156 BTC [-]
punkman: then the cheapest electricity qina
punkman: *wins
pgp: watch out below
pizzaman1337: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 65.94000, Best ask: 66.00100, Bid-ask spread: 0.06100, Last trade: 66.30000, 24 hour volume: 664521.94526845, 24 hour low: 50.01000, 24 hour high: 91.00000, 24 hour vwap: 68.15425
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.366 = 0.732 BTC [-]
jcpham: to good to be true? https://cloudhashing.com/contracts/indefinite-contracts
jcpham: Using our powerful ASIC cloud, we simplify the mining process for you.
alex1234567: Luke-Jr: pingh
Luke-Jr: ?
mircea_popescu: jcpham sounds like it.
jcpham: luke-jr what do think about this cloudhashing scam
tk993: I'd say, yeah, sounds too good to be true, jcpham.
alex1234567: Luke-Jr: can you by any chance do hardware based c coding?
jcpham: i can't get behind their economic model
Luke-Jr: jcpham: even if it weren't a scam, it defeats the point of mining even more than centralized pools
Luke-Jr: alex1234567: what?
alex1234567: Luke-Jr: programming chips etc
jcpham: doesn't seem any worse than asicminer
Luke-Jr: jcpham: well, ASICMiner has the same problem
Luke-Jr: had*
Namworld: ;;bids 0
gribble: There are currently 1.0566017e+09 bitcoins demanded at or over 0.0 USD, worth 11861233.5045 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0078 seconds
Namworld: I switched gribble to e+ numbers
ThickAsThieves: noooooo
Namworld: Of all bids, Me: 1 billion, Rest of the world: 56.6 millions
Namworld: I won
ThickAsThieves: thats hideous
Namworld: Where's my trophy for stupid achievements
mircea_popescu: 8==D
ThickAsThieves: 8==D ~o ~o ~o on your e+
Scrat: ~°
Bugpowder: American Airlines DDOS? http://www.aa.com/homePage.do
Bugpowder: unlikely I'm sure
ThickAsThieves: ;;asks 100
gribble: There are currently 62882.521 bitcoins offered at or under 100.0 USD, worth 5473189.36504 USD in total. | Data vintage: 84.2062 seconds
ThickAsThieves: ;;bids 0
gribble: There are currently 1.0566017e+09 bitcoins demanded at or over 0.0 USD, worth 11859030.3747 USD in total. | Data vintage: 91.7733 seconds
ThickAsThieves: so lame
jborkl: there is something else with AA, they asked the FAA to ground all the flights?
kakobrekla: ;;bids 1
gribble: There are currently 710752.61 bitcoins demanded at or over 1.0 USD, worth 11622897.2427 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0074 seconds
ThickAsThieves: :/
Scrat: bear sperm ~.
Scrat: bull sperm ~°
Scrat: ok ill go away now
Namworld: It's not lame. I represent like 95% of the bids orderbook in BTC denomination now.
Namworld: ;;bids 0
gribble: There are currently 1.0565969e+09 bitcoins demanded at or over 0.0 USD, worth 11854275.4436 USD in total. | Data vintage: 107.0922 seconds
Namworld: hmm...
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6800 @ 0.00070244 = 4.7766 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: i hope you made the orders in .001 btc increments.
Namworld: 0.01BTC minimum lol =P
Namworld: Would have been fun actually
Namworld: 0.00001 USD minimum bid... 0.0000001 cost per bid
Namworld: Well that would have killed gox's engine
jborkl: I am assuming SD is undergoin a DDOS attack now
Namworld: ;;bids 0
gribble: There are currently 1.0565969e+09 bitcoins demanded at or over 0.0 USD, worth 11830042.4309 USD in total. | Data vintage: 11.4155 seconds
Namworld: hey, I removed the order...
Namworld: slow gribble
xait9: assbot
Namworld: ;;bids 0
gribble: There are currently 56594480 bitcoins demanded at or over 0.0 USD, worth 11572274.4877 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0086 seconds
Namworld: back to 56 million demand
Namworld: There ya go ThickAsThieves
ThickAsThieves: thank yo sir
ThickAsThieves: i just think the E concept is tarded
Namworld: Not my fault gribble does it
ThickAsThieves: i suppose it has real purpose in larger math
ThickAsThieves: but not for me :)
pgp: can't gribble be formatted with 000 seperator
Namworld: not without complaining to the right person
pgp: who is that?
Bugpowder: E is preferred
Bugpowder: learn math
pgp: lol
mod6: HEH
ThickAsThieves: i didnt see anyone fighting for the e
ThickAsThieves: in that example it only obfuscates anyway
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.85397 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.85398 BTC [+]
jcpham: http://www.nextnewdeal.net/rortybomb/researchers-finally-replicated-reinhart-rogoff-and-there-are-serious-problems
pgp: another nice feature would be something like ;;depth 40% where it give ;;bids last*(1-.4) and ;;asks last*(1+.4)
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 1 @ 0.01299 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 1 @ 0.013 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 1 @ 0.014 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 8 @ 0.014898 = 0.1192 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 100 @ 0.014899 = 1.4899 BTC [+]
Bugpowder: hmm
Bugpowder: interesting idea
jurov: ;;bids 0.9
gribble: There are currently 722721.79 bitcoins demanded at or over 0.9 USD, worth 11548332.3198 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0095 seconds
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.85398 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 0.854 = 1.708 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 8 @ 0.85999 = 6.8799 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.8649 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 0.87387 = 2.6216 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11500 @ 0.00069338 = 7.9739 BTC [-]
jcpham: http://www.forbes.com/sites/steveforbes/2013/04/16/bitcoin-whatever-it-is-its-not-money/
mircea_popescu: duh.
mircea_popescu: in other news, http://o.onionstatic.com/images/5/5425/original/700.hq.jpg?2506
Lyspooner: Money is most optimal when it is fixed in value just as commerce is facilitated when we have fixed weights and measures. When you buy a pound of hamburger you expect to get 16 ounces of meat. An hour has 60 minutes. A mile has 5280 feet. These measurements don’t “float.”
Lyspooner: wait, an ounce floats, right?
jcpham: that's forbes staff btw
jcpham: not the bloggers
mircea_popescu: that's actually forbes.
jcpham: yeah.
mircea_popescu: Malcolm Stevenson
Scrat: A mile has 5280 feet < lol
Scrat: what a retarded measurement system
Scrat: using that to make a point
jcpham: damn your decimals!
mircea_popescu: anyway, the usual set of ignorant/half informed nonsense people do these days
mircea_popescu: im getting kind of meh'd even considering it.
jcpham: dawwww i like seeing these old smart people look dumb
mircea_popescu: "our currency collapsed against this thing therefore this thing can't be used to price hamburgers in"
mircea_popescu: whoop de doo. logic.
mircea_popescu: the fact that the dollar is insanely volatile these days has little bearing on anything other than... the dollar itself.
pgp: 666k 224h gox volume...
assbot: [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 1 @ 0.19889 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 1000 @ 0.01 = 10 BTC [+]
Lyspooner: mircea_popescu, you do a good job of chronicling those articles or instances of great stupidity. please keep this steve forbes article in your archives for future reference
assbot: [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 3 @ 0.1989 = 0.5967 BTC [+]
Namworld: lol
Namworld: people just want my BTC-BOND, do they?
mircea_popescu: im not gonna. guy's entitled to being stupid ocasionalyl, he has a name.
Namworld: I was recalling it because price was rising too much in my taste. Now I put it back available and people buy.
jborkl: looks like it is going to be approx 300w for a single, whenif they show up
jborkl: 8800w for a minirig, even though those are not shipping
jcpham: 8.8 kW wtf
Bugpowder: warm!
jcpham: most US homes/places of business aren't wired for that
jcpham: not even remotely
kakobrekla: so when do they pay the 1k btc chairty bet?
jcpham: that can't be serious
jcpham: source?
kakobrekla: apparently he forgot to delete this one too https://forums.butterflylabs.com/article-comments/182-article-bfl-offers-1000-btc-charity-if-we-miss-our-power-targets.html
pgp: wow
kakobrekla: https://forums.butterflylabs.com/content/123-bfl-offers-1000-btc-charity-if-they-miss-their-power-targets-comments4.html
jcpham: up front investment to support power usage
kakobrekla: ok
kakobrekla: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=119338.0
kakobrekla: here it is
kakobrekla: not deleted
kakobrekla: maybe im jumpy
jborkl: that power draw is as correct as far as I know
jcpham: jborkl that's an insane number for a minirig
jborkl: consistent with what has been said
jborkl: I am not saying it is not insance
jborkl: insane
jborkl: just relaying the news
jcpham: yeah i know my bad
jcpham: those fuckers at bfl are batshit
jborkl: people are going to have to deal with heat, power , proper cooling, babysitting
jborkl: and that is without a host
jcpham: it would need 7 power cords going to maxxed out terminal is a US home
jcpham: more likely 220v though
jcpham: no clue what sort of support you'd need for that
jcpham: i bet i ask an electrician tomorrow though
jborkl: I have places for all of mine, already drawing a bunch from GPU's
jborkl: 480v with a transformer
pgp: then we'll shart to hear the stories of how the bfl asics catch on fire...
jcpham: so 480v
Diablo-D3: did someone say 480v?
jcpham: that's new service from the electric co for most people
Diablo-D3: well
Diablo-D3: its industrial service
jcpham: yeah residential gtfo
Diablo-D3: 240v is usually what comes down off the poles and then its phase split into two 120vs
Namworld: oh wow... the quote: "We don’t really know how this coin is created. You can’t have a functional money without a basic transparency."
Diablo-D3: Namworld: what?
Namworld: http://www.forbes.com/sites/steveforbes/2013/04/16/bitcoin-whatever-it-is-its-not-money/
jcpham: is terrible don't read it
Diablo-D3: oh fucking forbes
Diablo-D3: no one even listens to their shit anymore
jcpham: it's steven himself Diablo-D3
Diablo-D3: steven forbes doesnt actually exist
Diablo-D3: its a persona made up by the company
jcpham: apparently the blockchain and mining is totally opaque
mircea_popescu: lol does the 10kw include the fans ?
jcpham: yikes
jcpham: i bet it doesn't
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 0.87 = 1.74 BTC [-]
jborkl: lol, I bet it does not either
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 0.87387 = 1.7477 BTC [+]
jborkl: you would also need a pretty big ventilation to draw out that heat
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 5 @ 0.87389 = 4.3695 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.89997 BTC [+]
jcpham: it's no good all-around
mircea_popescu: http://petercearle.com/2013/04/the-following-exchange/
mircea_popescu: i'm making friends
jcpham: they were selling a 1.5 kW plug it in anywhere device
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 5 @ 0.89998 = 4.4999 BTC [+]
pgp: unless you can use it to reduce you're heating bill in the winter...
Diablo-D3: >1.5KW device
Diablo-D3: on 120v?
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.89999 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 8 @ 0.925 = 7.4 BTC [+]
jcpham: i thought the minirgis came in under 1.5
mircea_popescu: tbh i don't know how you can get 10kW installed comercially.
Diablo-D3: because that might not pass federal requirements
mircea_popescu: i mean... i think you need your own transformer.
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: pretty much you call up the power company and ask
jborkl: I have my own , but I am commercial
jborkl: it is big
mircea_popescu: Diablo-D3 around here you can get 380V triphase installed just on asking
jcpham: well the point is the minirig was a consumer device but now it seems commercial
mircea_popescu: but it won't carry more than about 6kw i don't think
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: I think you're missing the concept
mircea_popescu: on the upside it costs < 1k to have it put in
Diablo-D3: volts * amps = watts
mircea_popescu: yea ?
Diablo-D3: you told me volts and watts but not amps.
Diablo-D3: 380v triphase can handle 6kw, it just depends entirely what your amperage is
mircea_popescu: yes well... eu residential power is 220 v and < 20 amps
Diablo-D3: thats per circuit, mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: commercially you can get (easily) 380 volts and i think it carries about 120 amps max
Diablo-D3: you have 40, 60, 80, whatever amps coming into your house
jcpham: yeah i'm saying like home wiring can't even handle it
mircea_popescu: Diablo-D3 you have 20.
jcpham: 20 amp 30 amp max
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: I said into the house, as in, for all the cirucits
mircea_popescu: yes.
Diablo-D3: you have a shitty house if you only have 2 circuits
Diablo-D3: 120v in the US is typically 15a, 18a max
mircea_popescu: 20 amps at 220 volts is over 4kw, which is considered sufficient
Bugpowder: Tesla's home single charger is 240v/40A/10kW
Bugpowder: Their dual is 240v/80A/20kW
Diablo-D3: Bugpowder: depends which one, you CAN buy superchargers for home use
Bugpowder: so it can be done
jcpham: 240 works w/ the 80AMP
Diablo-D3: its just going to be fun talking your electric company into doing it
jcpham: inside wiring can't handle 80
Diablo-D3: yeah what jcpham said
jcpham: it's to much. you have to build the facility to house 8.8kW
Bugpowder: looks like $2000 plus installation costs
jcpham: right the opossite of what they initially sold
Diablo-D3: I have 6 or 7 120v circuits, and 6 240v 30a circuits
mircea_popescu: jcpham soubnds like it.
Diablo-D3: and this is a small apartment.
jcpham: you are wired sir Diablo-D3
Diablo-D3: I think 120v 40a actually goes into the circuit breaker box though
mircea_popescu: Diablo-D3 there is no way you can draw 40kw off your apt grid right now.
Diablo-D3: (the 240s are double 120 breakers)
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: of course not
Diablo-D3: it'd be fun to try though
jcpham: i've got 2 meters, 4 acres and 5 buildings and i think i only have one 240 drop to each meter
mircea_popescu: it'd be arson to try.
mircea_popescu: even on copper wiring, calc the heat.
mircea_popescu: jcpham sounds more like it.
Diablo-D3: anyhow, you said 360v at 120 amps?
mircea_popescu: europe has 220 and 380
Bugpowder: Seems like you can get 90A in your garage, if you pay an electrician. http://webarchive.teslamotors.com/display_data/home_connector_installation.pdf
Diablo-D3: you do realize thats 45.6kw right?
mircea_popescu: and 120 is i think nomional max. you won't get it more than you get 1mbps internet or w/e
jcpham: ;;calc 8800\360
gribble: Error: unexpected character after line continuation character (<string>, line 1)
mircea_popescu: Diablo-D3 it also is a commercial installation.
jcpham: ;;calc 8800/360
gribble: 24.4444444444
jcpham: 30 amp
jurov: i can't follow, where are these kilowatts announced?
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: yeah but you were trying to put 6kw on it
mircea_popescu: i was discussing normal house wiring. which is about 4kw tops.
Diablo-D3: Bugpowder: btw, yes, due to what tesla is doing, you can now get higher end chargers installed
jcpham: 4kw tops but you aren't going to be using 120v at that point
mircea_popescu: 220!
jcpham: yeah
Diablo-D3: Bugpowder: they'll work with your electric company to get it done for you
mircea_popescu: look! europe has residential 220 v / 20 amp power
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: yeah, europe is weird
mircea_popescu: and 380v triphase at about 100+ amps, which you have to install speciallly.
jurov: you just need thicker wires
Diablo-D3: jurov: well, kind of
jcpham: i think europe requires 380 or multiple 220v drops
Diablo-D3: you need LESS copper as voltage goes up to maintain the same wattage
mircea_popescu: this is what you can do out of the box pretty much. otherwise you have to get on the list for a transform station being builrt
mircea_popescu: which is i think half a year lead time
jcpham: surely bfl does intend to ship a device drawing more than 4kW
jcpham: surely not
jcpham: that's be stupid
jcpham: *doesn't
mircea_popescu: well if they do it [retty much won't run in yurp
Diablo-D3: it wont run in the US either
mircea_popescu: or rural us, or asia, or anywhere else.
Diablo-D3: we dont have 240v sockets typically