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asciilifeform: it is not the same exact algo, no. but it is same from my pov, in that it is NOT the 'find b-bit random R and test for primality, potentially forever, until found prime'
diana_coman: hmm, I suppose I could run a trial test on a batch of generated public exponents with co-prime rather than strict prime requirements, to see what small factors are there but not sure if this will say a lot really in itself; fwiw I don't feel particularly comfortable with the idea of a non-prime public exponent but I don't have mathematical proof for weakness introduced, hence my question
shinohai: I shall have to purchase a pin meter and hire the services of 10-20 women to test this hypothesis .....
lobbes: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-02#1732242 << shit. So it is. Looks like I fail the intelligence test, as per: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-02#1732028 ☝︎☝︎
diana_coman: asciilifeform, possibly I managed to screw it up in an even more basic way; here's the test function itself (this one gets called repeatedly for each key and each message)
asciilifeform: mod6: what diana_coman has is as close as fathomable to a virginal gpg where you can still make such a test
asciilifeform: plz consider posting your test harness, diana_coman
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: consider how doping test picks up pot-smoking (chix in particular) months after the fact
mircea_popescu: loller http://www.loper-os.org/pub/clue3.jpg <<->> http://trilema.com/2011/test-de-cultura-vizuala-16/
Raven_Zero: !! register test
asciilifeform: the canonical test is dd if=/dev/yourfg | hexdump -C -v
asciilifeform: entirely possible that you got a defective cable, i do not test the cables, only the FG
mircea_popescu: what pantsuit theory passes laugh test ?
asciilifeform: theories generally oughta pass laugh test imho
mircea_popescu: and in other lulz of all time, a terribly bad test "for fascism" gives me 43%, ie fellow-traveller status.
ben_vulpes: leaning on intuition here; feels odd to me that the "randomly would exceed" value is so round on so many of your test runs, but it's gotta be weakness in my statistics intuition
Guest29647: test.
Guest29647: Test.
mircea_popescu: might as well test it.
asciilifeform: ( because otherwise you are making entirely new voodootron from scratch, will need test sets, etc )
asciilifeform: fwiw there is a quite short ada serpent existing, passes the test set ( and branch-free ). ☟︎
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: check this out, the 'vuln test' is... https://github.com/crocs-muni/roca/tree/master/roca/tests << spoiler: checks fp against enumerated badness
a111: Logged on 2017-10-14 10:23 apeloyee: asciilifeform: do you plan to test how much information about operands leaks as difference in power consumption? It looks plausible that multiplying 0*0 and maxint*maxint consume different amount of power.
apeloyee: asciilifeform: do you plan to test how much information about operands leaks as difference in power consumption? It looks plausible that multiplying 0*0 and maxint*maxint consume different amount of power. ☟︎
asciilifeform: mod6: whichever type of test you're making, it certainly won't hurt.
mod6: that's more of a higher-level, functional style test.
mod6: ive been writing unit test for ffa
asciilifeform: or hm, there's gotta be a mistake in my test, bbl
asciilifeform: ( in our concrete case, r, a random , and p, a primorial -- for the pre-mr litmus test )
asciilifeform: when i say 'week' it does not mean on a particular test.
apeloyee: anyway, I was saying that, if spending a week, may spend a small fraction of the time on the supposed-deterministic test
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if it were physically possible as the sole primality test, we'd all use.
mircea_popescu: well, so defined it must gcd as primality test.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this is demonstrably true re r-m test tho.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if ~probabilistic~, not 'same' test
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but the test that takes longer and costs more does not consist of manic re-measuring of the same one length, repeated millions of times.
asciilifeform: when submarine is built, meant to last maybe 20yrs, test takes much longer than week
asciilifeform: apeloyee: i don't actually see how 'test for a week' is crackpottery when speaking about a key that is intended to stand up for 50 years ( or longer )
apeloyee: doesn't run in geological (e.g. saxena) time << if you have faith in generalized riemann hypothesis and correctness of work on deterministic miller test - you have it. I don't, but running test for a week is imo greater crackpottery than believing in that.
asciilifeform: i'm not aware of a fully deterministic test that doesn't run in geological (e.g. saxena) time
apeloyee: at that cost, may also do the deterministic miller test then.
asciilifeform: and moreover for long-term key genning, imho a week or longer probabilistic primality test is not inappropriate.
apeloyee: maple did a deterministic test
asciilifeform: i suspect that for any probabilistic test, you can construct a boojum (e.g. you know that he will do 300 rounds, you make one that needs 301 )
asciilifeform: apeloyee: each individual test has to be fixedtime though. then -- yes.
asciilifeform: this is why ultimately entire primality test algo must be constant time, just like the other pieces.
asciilifeform: for miller rabin you may end up ACCEPTING the test
asciilifeform: *variability allowed not in the test, but in output
asciilifeform: there must be no variability in the time the ~test~ takes.
asciilifeform: apeloyee: no contradiction. the variability of time is in the ~test~, not the output result , which naturally will vary depending on what rng gave you
apeloyee: on a different topic, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-08#1722429 and http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-05#1721484 seem to contradict each other. what's an initial sieve for if the algo must run in fixed time? i've interpreted it as "successful test must run in fixed time, failures can be variable-time", and make proposal accordingly. ☝︎☝︎
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-07#1722405 << in no case can the 'cheap initial primality test' primorial exceed the size of current ffa width. thinkaboutit. ☝︎
asciilifeform: mod6: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/0k78K/?raw=true << example from asciilifeform's torture room, of what his test looks like
mod6: btw, do you have a simple test harness setup for this just to assert some known output values?
phf: test
lobbes: excited to test it out, although 100% of my payments have been in ecu so far. Perhaps will change now though
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: These are more typically. Hold button, trivial test of "familiar with idea of heavy equipment or not"
mod6: I had one result that was 10%, the rest 25%-50% : http://www.mod6.net/fg/fg-test/fg-test.html
asciilifeform: ( back to yoke test -- it is somewhat tricky, you need ~very~ good cabling, and very short, for the clocks to sync properly )
asciilifeform: i'm still waiting to hear of somebody other than myself, doing the yoke test
mod6: that's what you use to test in parallel right?
trinque: deedbot wallet ready when I perform a privkey generation ritual after fg final test.
a111: Logged on 2017-09-19 19:34 asciilifeform: i thought that at this point everybody just does the 5min litmus test
asciilifeform: i thought that at this point everybody just does the 5min litmus test ☟︎
ben_vulpes: and in other things american hospitals are willing to charge a tidy hundo to use a single item of: http://www.ebay.com/itm/McKesson-Rapid-Diagnostic-Test-Kit-Medi-Lab-Performance-Strep-A-CLIA-Waived-2-/122676899273?hash=item1c901cedc9:g:DzcAAOSw9ENZpvbV
asciilifeform: ( did anybody, for example, test what happens if rails are wet ? encrusted with foreign matter, e.g. soot from fire? 9,000 variants )
mats: https://youtu.be/QO_zXuOQy6A?t=51s USN test fires two railgun rounds within seconds of each other
a111: Logged on 2017-09-12 23:52 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-12#1713184 << in ffaworld, a < or > or == comparison is not only a subtraction (O(N)) but another O(N) test for nullity (xor all the words together)
a111: Logged on 2017-09-16 15:31 asciilifeform: in other olds ( i dun think i posted this measurement ) the NAIVE modular exponentiator takes 51.3 seconds per 4096b a*b mod m , on the 'standard' test box
asciilifeform: in other olds ( i dun think i posted this measurement ) the NAIVE modular exponentiator takes 51.3 seconds per 4096b a*b mod m , on the 'standard' test box ☟︎
a111: Logged on 2017-09-12 23:11 mircea_popescu: 2. a fine example of how "i work for the web man" rots the brain, is that in an implementation of the above discussed mod-distributiver, the "common" consensus impulse would be to add a test, make sure the list elements respect the condition of <modulus. this however is very much the wrong thing ; and it is a tmsr-graduate level question to explain why and wherefore.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-12#1713184 << in ffaworld, a < or > or == comparison is not only a subtraction (O(N)) but another O(N) test for nullity (xor all the words together) ☝︎☟︎
mircea_popescu: 2. a fine example of how "i work for the web man" rots the brain, is that in an implementation of the above discussed mod-distributiver, the "common" consensus impulse would be to add a test, make sure the list elements respect the condition of <modulus. this however is very much the wrong thing ; and it is a tmsr-graduate level question to explain why and wherefore. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: 1. multiply x and y ; 2. count bits of result ; 3. count bits of modulus ; 4. multiply modulus with count2 - count3 and test if larger than result. if not, substract. if yes, multiply with count2-count3-1 and do the same. repeat until result smaller than modulus.
asciilifeform: ( recall also 'frozen chicken test' in aviation )
asciilifeform: good test
ben_vulpes: myeah, dent test don't make so much sense applied to ceramics
ben_vulpes: different ~everything; what, make me a strand of wood fiber as thin as spider silk and let's test it
asciilifeform: the original c proggy came with 'test vectors'
PeterL: I threw together http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/JWVm6/?raw=true so that I could test out my keccak by hashing a file
asciilifeform: PeterL: out of curiosity, how didja test this item ?
mircea_popescu: shoulda done the test, actually mattered irl.
asciilifeform: and fwiw the 1 serious open question i know of , that could be answered with costly machine -- is the al schwartz eotvos test. pretty low energy, at that.
asciilifeform: can't get to the shell either. this is moar of a 'chineseness test' -- 'board is unusable unless you put jumper back on right-over-there'
mircea_popescu: now this man... he had a set of 9V lightbulbs. and so as any good respectable citizen i sat down with the dead man's dragon pile, to TEST everythiung I got. yes ? ☟︎
asciilifeform: phf: if you're content to test parker's cadr, your existing xilinx board oughta do the job
shinohai: https://github.com/owocki/pytrader <<< "My test portfolio was initialized with a 1 BTC deposit, and after 2 months and 23,413 trades, exited with 0.955 BTC. The system paid 2.486 BTC in fees to poloniex."
mircea_popescu: phf the brezier test looks very credible actually.
fyr: My "urbit-turd" is ultimately on a test-net, and doesn't have live keys
asciilifeform: dun forget to test, ben_vulpes
asciilifeform: hey, even hiv test is illegal in idjotland 'unless by licensed agent'
asciilifeform: ( and for so long as 1 honest unit exists, for yoke test -- to even a child, working with bare hands )
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: it was one of those "please to submit your version details" so... i did. can't recall if i actually clicked the "emergent consensus" button seriously or in jest, or if it was something that the hosts ticked, but it was definitely a test to see if they'd keep it up or not. looks like they have.
mod6: Occasionally when I'm trying to do a test or some such thing.
asciilifeform: mike_c: be sure to test'em
mircea_popescu: sooo... everyone got klined accidentally, test run for whenever ?
asciilifeform: the sufferers almost always turn up to labour under elaborately usgtronic delusions of, e.g., 'their' ( sitting Safely In Their cardboard house or usg.bank box , naturally ) 'gold' ( do they consider melting, or whatever other test ? ) 'belongs' ( until preet says so ) to them...
ave1: asciilifeform: I would probably not have thought about the L > 8 test otherwise
mircea_popescu: valica_ i would teach crypto as a graduate level item for the top of the class in math and kids from physics who test in. and nobody else.
a111: Logged on 2017-08-15 18:44 lobbes: Interesting seeing teh different approaches. Instead of primality test, I just iterated through a static list/array of primes (I figure that list ain't changing anytime soon). Here's my potato code: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/X0jSt/?raw=true