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asciilifeform: in other lulz, "GET /faq HTTP/1.1" 200 8124 "http://milrev-rannub.urbit.org/~~/talk/"
mircea_popescu: dojos now ?
mircea_popescu: they're never going to run out of other people's words to try and steal and sell, are they.
mircea_popescu: fucking hot topic, "and THIS is a pirate" "no, it's not" "19.95"
asciilifeform: pretty sure they've by nao stolen every single word in anglodictionary, up to 5 letters an' counting
mod6: https://koinswag.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/MPSilver.png
asciilifeform: lol!
mircea_popescu: kek what is that in the background, rocket launchers ?
asciilifeform: do we know who was this maker
mircea_popescu: i vaguely recall tshirts being made at points
mod6: no idea, it's been around for a while tho...
mircea_popescu: tho tbh i'd prefer it modeled on tits.
asciilifeform: https://koinswag.com/shop/bitcoin-t-shirt/mpex-bitcoin-t-shirt/ apparently also
deedbot: http://trinque.org/2017/09/25/fuckgoats-tested/ << trinque - FUCKGOATS tested
asciilifeform: oh hey hey hey lbj!!
mod6: i like the mpex shirt too hehe. but aha, tits would be sweet.
mod6: MPEx = ( . Y . )
mod6: or something
asciilifeform: btw ain't it riotously scandalous that the dieharder d00d never showed up here ?
asciilifeform: i and iirc a few other folx -- wrote
mod6: yeah, would have been proper.
shinohai: !#s http://www.ru.j-npcs.org/usoft/WWW/HOWTO/mini/Clock
a111: 0 results for "http://www.ru.j-npcs.org/usoft/WWW/HOWTO/mini/Clock", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ru.j-npcs.org%2Fusoft%2FWWW%2FHOWTO%2Fmini%2FClock
mircea_popescu: this "i'm more important than the world" is the easiest delusion.
mircea_popescu: they're by their nature sweet, but this one's like truffles to the pigs.
asciilifeform: trinque: updated FG www with link to your review.
asciilifeform: this makes 3 .
trinque: cheers
mod6: nice trinque
asciilifeform: i'm still waiting to hear of somebody other than myself, doing the yoke test
asciilifeform: because -- unsurprise, i hope -- if yer FUCKGOATS were replaced with an identical-looking ftmeadegoats en route, it would pass (perhaps even 'prettier') the dh, ent, etc tests, as the original
asciilifeform: even after being lethally boobytrapped.
asciilifeform: another suggested experiment for FG owners is http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-24#1703042 .☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-08-24 17:16 asciilifeform: btw you can make this right now by attaching 2 hg tilt switches to a fg , 1 on each end ( b/w the middle and the +v pins )
asciilifeform: ^ incidentally : if you can get hall-effect switches, these will work even better ( the important thing is for whatever switch to be 'bounce-less', contact-bouncing creates predictable, in theory, temporal patterns )
asciilifeform: ( back to yoke test -- it is somewhat tricky, you need ~very~ good cabling, and very short, for the clocks to sync properly )
asciilifeform: FG-II rng will prolly have 4 pins, 1 for shifter pulse, to make yoking ultra-easy at ~0 cost.
asciilifeform: ANOTHER useful advice to every fg owner is to verify that the cpld shitstream in yer unit, is in fact == to the one asciilifeform signed.
mod6: asciilifeform: so far, i've only gone to the extent of unplugging both RNG-TWs and ensuring that the SAD lamp does what it should.
asciilifeform: i'd be surprised if anybody's, at this early point, isn't... but this is by far the cheapest and easiest method for enemy to tamper, and leaves 0 physical trace
mircea_popescu: "Chi square distribution for 1048576000 samples is 217.95, and randomly would exceed this value 95.52 percent of the times."
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: in the torture room , i get a pretty flat distrib of chisqr values
mircea_popescu: me2
mod6: that's in the 'suspect' range no?
mircea_popescu: wtf is this
mircea_popescu: Monte Carlo value for Pi is 3.141491330 (error 0.00 percent).
asciilifeform: i see 5 ... 95 range approx. flatly.
mircea_popescu: !~calc (3.141491330 - pi)/pi * 100
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: (3.141491330 - pi)/pi * 100 = -0.0032252300334771494
mircea_popescu: !~calc pi
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: pi = 3.141592653589793
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: technically the idjit util is right tho, it's below 0.01% err
mod6 checks his results
mircea_popescu: ya.
mircea_popescu: counterintuitvely, the 4th decimal of pi should be within a 100th of a 100th
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-23#1660236 << oblig thread☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-05-23 01:04 asciilifeform: asciilifeform used 'dieharder' to reject a handful of screamingly defective analogue units , but currently isn't sure that it's good for much re a ~working~ one
mod6: I had one result that was 10%, the rest 25%-50% : http://www.mod6.net/fg/fg-test/fg-test.html
mircea_popescu: anyway, item seems fine.
asciilifeform: it chronically bothers asciilifeform , that there is actually nothing to compare fg to
asciilifeform: unlike literally every other instrument i have
mircea_popescu: heh. count your blessings.
mircea_popescu: and in other epic pix : http://files.cinemacenter.ir/images/0b1m007w1zswc6qjspdg.jpg check out the lt checking out the ukr slut while she's going "omfg, are there more coming still ? this will be a long night."
mod6: get your wienerschnitzels ready
mircea_popescu: !!up eo
deedbot: eo voiced for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: hey.
eo: hullo
mircea_popescu: !!register your key ftr.
deedbot: 6160E1CAC8A3C52966FD76998A736F0E2FB7B452 is already registered as mircea_popescu.
mircea_popescu: then ill rate you and you'll be able to self-voice.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform chick came by in march and then a few days ago, my records show, none of you hardasses thought to up her.
asciilifeform: ain't n00bz supposed to pm somebody an' ask ?
mircea_popescu: i suppose.
mircea_popescu: eo so what do you know of teh republic ?
eo: @mircea_popescu only what i read in your blog posts
mircea_popescu: i see. soo... wanna argue about anything ?
eo: that's tough. i'm only here because i already agree with most of your content.
mircea_popescu: weird, we dun generally find much fault with yours, notwitstanding in theory we should!
mircea_popescu: !!up elaineo
deedbot: elaineo voiced for 30 minutes.
asciilifeform: meanwhile, vex writes in, in au, with https://archive.is/Pyln1 : 'One of the country's top universities has warned maths students not to use the term 'marriage' when referring to a well-known theorem because the word may cause 'offence.''
mircea_popescu: why would anyone stick around after that is incomprehensible.
danielpbarron: !!key cruciform
deedbot: http://wot.deedbot.org/4E18288CAA6A98F4C51066053B6F4A8387D54AC6.asc
danielpbarron: !~later tell cruciform http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/u5Dhj/?raw=true
jhvh1: danielpbarron: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: in other lullies, https://www.ebay.com/i/232493884604
BingoBoingo: !~later tell mircea_popescu http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/f2zCx/?raw=true
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: https://gensteel.com/steel-building-kits/strip-malls << Anyone know a place to plop one of these outside NATO near transit cable to make datacenter?
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: http://www.apc.com/shop/us/en/products/Prefabricated-IT-Data-Hall-500kW-97-Racks-Perimeter-CW-Cooling-Mod-Distrib-480V-60Hz/P-PFMIEA500C2N097A perhaps a more suitable prefab?
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: Prefab strip mall has shorter walk to coffee shop, provided a coffee data tenant rents space
ben_vulpes: it is a sad truth that all data centers i have been in have sadder coffee production facilities than even starbucks.
ben_vulpes: also use windows. also in usshitistan.
BingoBoingo: Really [coffee shop][datacenter (studio apartment carveout)][scooter dealer] is imagined layout
BingoBoingo: for the moment
BingoBoingo: If locale has enough people who feel entitled to protective road cage to justify 4-wheel dealership, locale prolly sucks for building building
ben_vulpes: under that analysis, should probably do fork/heavy equipment/rental+dealership instead of scooter dealership
BingoBoingo: Nah, the customers there are demanding and suspicious. Not to mention keeps existential threats to datacenter too close.
BingoBoingo: Re-reading of the moment http://trilema.com/2014/the-problem-of-enforcement/
ben_vulpes: existential threats, yes, but in their docile state!
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: Few have meaningful locks on them. Only docile because passerby have anxiety about starting up unattented equipment.
BingoBoingo: Anyways, it's hard to meaningfully lock a door when excavator sleeps within 100 yards of door. Doesn't leave much time to take position with anti-materiel rifle before it closes range
ben_vulpes: lol ok ok
BingoBoingo: While scooters produce delicious 2-stroke exhaust and help the pobre commute within their substantial means
ben_vulpes: not like it would be hard to wire keypads into them if they still don't have meaningful locks.
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: Most heavy equipment starts by holding hidden button while pressing "start button", Or turning key shapped ignition switch while holding hidden button
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: asciilifeform's father's auto in ye olde su, had one of these
asciilifeform: 'seekrit' starter-enbl button
asciilifeform: to this day i have nfi wtf was the point
asciilifeform: iirc it had to be clicked a magic # of times, or rhythm, or somesuch
mod6: lot of the bobcats i've seen recently have a 10-key pad to enter a code before it can be started.
asciilifeform: ritualistic voodoo-hoodoo-hex against thieves
mod6: older ones though...
mod6: lol
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: These are more typically. Hold button, trivial test of "familiar with idea of heavy equipment or not"
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo cool.
mircea_popescu: anti-materiel rifle srsly ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform against small children.
mircea_popescu: the logic is sound : hominid sufficiently advanced to understand trickery of hidden button should also be sufficiently advanced to not crash it.
ben_vulpes: random entertaining systemderps https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/systemd/+bug/1449001
mod6: Ada Field Report: 1) Perl is fast. 2) Working with Strings.Fixed, oofda. 3) Verify Seals works!
mircea_popescu: in similar systemg news, http://68.media.tumblr.com/a2dad8c30f1ba72c0d93eb811f214a07/tumblr_oq76wrXI9V1usy7s5o1_500.gif
mod6: my eyes
mircea_popescu: mod6> Ada Field Report: 1) Perl is fast. <<< dat discreet trollage
mod6: lol
mircea_popescu: !!key elaineo
deedbot: Not registered.
mircea_popescu: !!up elaineo
deedbot: elaineo voiced for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: !!help
deedbot: http://deedbot.org/help.html
mircea_popescu: elaineo ^
ben_vulpes: ohai elaineo
elaineo: hai (registering nick now)
mod6: <+ben_vulpes> random entertaining systemderps https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/systemd/+bug/1449001 << fall back to getting googholed huh?
mircea_popescu would propose writing for qntra, but sadly qntra encountered an arrow to the knee
elaineo: !!register http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/wGuML/?raw=true
deedbot: 197174F8BC084AFB0532FFC3885B7AF2D2264BC0 registered as elaineo.
mircea_popescu: !!rate elaineo 2 somehow manages to write unirritatingly while also academia. i have yet no theory as to how this is possible.
deedbot: Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/uWgqM/?raw=true
mircea_popescu: !!v D4088521A7610AB73BAEDE6391EB686B1BDAD174263DFECC60AD9707A0674ECD
deedbot: mircea_popescu rated elaineo 2 << somehow manages to write unirritatingly while also academia. i have yet no theory as to how this is possible.
elaineo: left academia 5 years ago
mircea_popescu: 4evar & evar ?!
elaineo: yeah, i didn't get tenure
mircea_popescu: wouldn't that be moar like it left you ?
elaineo: well, i feel better about myself if i say that i was the one who left
mircea_popescu: does it suck to not get tenure ?
elaineo: it sucks a lot
mircea_popescu: whyssat ?
elaineo: cuz i spent a dozen years thinking that that would be my ultimate achievement in life
mircea_popescu: to my mind it's a lot like abusive drunk with halitosis who also makes no money coming home one night to announce he wants a divorce.
mircea_popescu: rather good news.
elaineo: perhaps, but it's YOUR abusive drunk
mircea_popescu: if they knew how to sell it, they'd be wondering why no men in academia rather than the current nonsense.
elaineo: to be fair, it's a socially respectable career that doesn't require any serious work
mircea_popescu: anyway. i spent one semester teaching myself. it helped a lot that i was one year junior to the people i was teaching and had great relationship with provost.
mircea_popescu: but honestly...
elaineo: i don't think academia is as retarded as it's portrayed in MSM. they amplify the worst parts
mircea_popescu: elaineo the sort of people to whom it is socially respectable would respect you a lot more for i dunno, a gucci bag.
elaineo: it's not just the career success, it also comes with pretend-asceticism. like a greek philosopher-king
mircea_popescu: anyway, so what do you do now, something in the vein of http://trilema.com/2015/you-know-what-gets-no-airplay-unflattering-truth/ ?
BingoBoingo: * mircea_popescu would propose writing for qntra, but sadly qntra encountered an arrow to the knee << This is no obstacle to writing for qntra. Merely an obstacle to getting puslished on Qntra. While disaster awaits a resolution one can still write to target qntra and settle for publishing elsewhere.
mircea_popescu: there;s this feedback loop for writers. it's great to write->publish->read. think of it as a special sort of ooda loop.
elaineo: @mircea_popescu working at a run-of-the mill cash-burning silicon valley tech company? yes.
mircea_popescu: i'd ask you if it sucks but then again...
elaineo: it's awesome. it's like perpetual grade school out here.
mircea_popescu: um.
BingoBoingo: elaineo: Are they props? http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2010/02/dont_settle_for_the_man_you_wa.html
elaineo: the "Marry Him" author is correct
mircea_popescu: ah you don't know ballas ?
elaineo: Feminists are busy cultivating props for future generations
elaineo: ballas?
mircea_popescu: christos ballas, author of the indeed very good tlp blog
mircea_popescu: sadly he meanwhile retreated into the bottle.
elaineo: no, first time reading this site
mircea_popescu: hm, lessee what other common loci you might have missed.
mircea_popescu: dja know oglaf ?
elaineo: no, i did not
mircea_popescu: o hey. so check it out,
mircea_popescu: !#s oglafbot
a111: 26 results for "oglafbot", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=oglafbot
mircea_popescu: grr
mircea_popescu: !#s from:oglafbot
a111: 91 results for "from:oglafbot", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=from%3Aoglafbot
mircea_popescu: there we go. one of these days i'll even learn how all the tools work.
mircea_popescu: to voice self say !!up to deedbot in pm, then decrypt the thing he gives tyou and say !!v to him with the otp
mircea_popescu: dun dun dun
mircea_popescu: and in other ancient lulz: https://elaineou.com/2009/04/03/advice-for-woman-seeking-500k-earning-man/
mircea_popescu: check out the dumb broad, she imagines moneymaking scales, rich dude is going to get into the same arrangements with her as rando highschool boyfriend would.
mircea_popescu: pro tip : rich guys take live-in slavegirls. doh.
oglafbot: http://oglaf.com/gaugamela/
mircea_popescu: elaineo dja understand how the wot works ?
elaineo: @mircea_popescu I understand how wots work in general, is there anything particular about the one for #trilema?
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/what-the-wot-is-for-how-it-works-and-how-to-use-it/ << you tell me.
mircea_popescu: i've never encountered one that worked, outside of this one. but then again i lead a sheltered existence.
elaineo: there was a dating service called coffee-meets-bagel that had a primitive version, not sure if they're still around
elaineo: how is this wot stored?
elaineo: !!wot
deedbot: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/eZ4Yo/?raw=true
mircea_popescu: any way you wish.
elaineo: i see...
mircea_popescu: (if you put links in channel they're automatically archived, as for instance https://archive.is/btkJN for the above)
mircea_popescu: deedbot also keeps a deeding service (think notarization for the new generation), backed by the full faith and credit of the bitcoin network.
mircea_popescu: there's also the http://wot.deedbot.org/ visualiser ; but you can also make your own.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform https://elaineou.com/2014/12/18/how-radioshack-became-too-big-to-fail/ << check it out she (correctly) explains the radioshack mystery. fucking default swaps, hurr.
elaineo: i've always felt that life insurance companies should be the ones paying for people's medical bills to keep them on life support.
elaineo: incentives would be more aligned that way
mircea_popescu: you familiar with the situation of flood insurance ?
elaineo: no, what's up ?
mircea_popescu: can't get any, it's not an economic activity.
mircea_popescu: ~same would happen with life insurance, this isn't the 1890s anymore and yidish is not spoken in the home.
mircea_popescu: if they didn't obamacare-equivalent it, it wouldn't exist.
elaineo: what do you mean it's not an economic activity? you mean it's not profitable for the insurance company?
mircea_popescu: no, i mean it can not be undertaken economically.
mircea_popescu: do you understand why computers and software are extempt from the general consumer protections ?
elaineo: no
mircea_popescu: consider the risk profile. if you elaine ou do terrible sex work, that is one pissed off customer who's going to get a free cocktail and a voucher for a chance to win an hour with kardashian.
mircea_popescu: if on the other hand you elaine ou do terrible software work, that is EVERY SINGLE CUSTOMER. there is no way a company can pay up.
elaineo: okay, makes sense
mircea_popescu: badly alligned risk profiles can turn something into a barren economic field.
mircea_popescu: that's why wives aren't sold by open outcry, for instance.
elaineo: aren't flood and life insurance companies only responsible for a single policy beneficiary?
mircea_popescu: if it floods, it floods everyone.
elaineo: okay, makes sense
mircea_popescu: the problem with life insurance is more subtle, which is why it's not usually noticed
mircea_popescu: by grad students.
elaineo: are we expecting a pandemic or plague?
mircea_popescu: anyway -- there's no way for a life insurance company to obtain an economic advantage over the competition. everyone has the same acturial tables.
mircea_popescu: this means one of two things -- either they're run as state offices on the federal budget (which means they will turn from profitable to shit over a generation or two) or else they are run by rando scammers, trying to do the whole aluminum siding bit.
elaineo: i guess in the current form it's a ponzi scheme like social security
mircea_popescu: ie it's been run by govt (through some paper layers, but whatevs) for long enough to have turned to shit.
mircea_popescu: !!up RagnarDanneskjol
deedbot: RagnarDanneskjol voiced for 30 minutes.
RagnarDanneskjol: Howdy, just stopped by to wish y'all a happy MP day
mircea_popescu: lol cheers
mircea_popescu completely forgot he had a day
mircea_popescu: when did this happen ?
RagnarDanneskjol: have it on my calendar..
RagnarDanneskjol: http://trilema.com/2014/today-is-the-international-day-of-remembering-how-mircea-popescu-is-better-than-me-and-related-observances/
mircea_popescu: o hey. cool deal!
mircea_popescu: ima have to tattoo this on someone.
RagnarDanneskjol: heh
mircea_popescu: so how's been life treating you /
RagnarDanneskjol: as good as it can be in UStardland I suppose
RagnarDanneskjol: wish I were in CR
mircea_popescu: it's not bad.
RagnarDanneskjol: I spent a lot of time there years ago
RagnarDanneskjol: Hear its gone to crap a bit
mircea_popescu: quite.
mircea_popescu: everything's gone to crap, and the imbeciles responsible dare run around pretending the stupid-ass handhelds were "a great thing".
RagnarDanneskjol: so it seems
mircea_popescu: fucking screwflies are a greater thing, ophtalmomyasis comparatively a blessing.
RagnarDanneskjol: ha
mircea_popescu: (that's when maggots infect the actual eye, for the innocent)
mircea_popescu: !!up RagnarDanneskjol
deedbot: RagnarDanneskjol voiced for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: what happened to your key anyway ?
RagnarDanneskjol: still have it, need to reg with new bot, will do so now
mircea_popescu: try !!up
RagnarDanneskjol: workin on it. key is on airgap machine
shinohai: Hey, why it is
shinohai: Trilema
shinohai: Heretiquarium.
shinohai: Hey *IS* Today is the International Day of Remembering How Mircea Popescu Is Better Than Me day after all.
mircea_popescu: im off to bed.
cruciform: would anyone like to sell me 1-2 Fuckgoats for less than listed price?
cruciform: !later tell danielpbarron http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/hzD9k/?raw=true
shinohai: !~later tell pete_dushenski http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/4LmIr/?raw=true
jhvh1: shinohai: The operation succeeded.
pete_dushenski: shinohai: works!
danielpbarron: !~later tell cruciform http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/8q3NF/?raw=true
jhvh1: danielpbarron: The operation succeeded.
cruciform: danielpbarron http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/Yx5K0/?raw=true
asciilifeform: !~later tell cruciform i've nothing against folx buyin', sellin', secondhand FG, but i'm very curious re the psychology of 'would anyone... less than listed price' -- do you see it as overpriced ? or chasing after the abstract pleasure of pinching a penny ? or which is it.
jhvh1: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
cruciform: asciilifeform: it's underpriced
asciilifeform: then even moar puzzling
cruciform: puzzling that someone would pay <x, as opposed to x?
asciilifeform: well, somebody who thinks 'underpriced'
asciilifeform: but then also 'would somebody pleez sell for <x'
cruciform: I'm puzzled by your puzzlement
mats: poverty
asciilifeform: !~ticker --market all
jhvh1: asciilifeform: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 3946.99, vol: 15244.20132520 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 3946.7, vol: 39514.97380202 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 3754.92, vol: 1567.38260000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 3943.9, vol: 5271.96748622 | Volume-weighted last average: 3941.65226023
cruciform: but very grateful for your work in making the device
asciilifeform: !~calc 3946.99 * 0.0395
jhvh1: asciilifeform: 3946.99 * 0.0395 = 155.906105
diana_coman: cruciform, I don't get it either: if you think NSA price is low anyway, then why are you looking for some other place to buy it for even less?
asciilifeform: that's less than your ~chair~ prolly cost
diana_coman: basically looking for subsidies or what?
diana_coman is genuinely rather puzzled on this one
cruciform: diana_coman: do you check multiple vendors before you buy the widget?
diana_coman: which "the widget"?
cruciform: diana_coman: beer, superglue, puppies; whatever
asciilifeform: cruciform: if you 'just want' 'an rng, dun matter what kind' -- the cost is 0, your cpu maker already supplied you with a liquishit rng
diana_coman: well, it's not whatever really; as far as I know there is only one maker of FG; and moreover, if I think the "widget" is underpriced then no, I don't waste time running around to ask maybe it's even more underpriced sort of thing
cruciform: asciilifeform: I want auditable RNG, and rolling dice is putting me on tilt
asciilifeform: diana_coman: i will add, for extra pedantism, that there are always TWO potential sources for FG : s.nsa, and OWN HANDS ( schematics and soft are published, go, make )
diana_coman: I don't have anything against others doing whatever, obv, just sort of ...not making sense to me
asciilifeform: it dun get any moar auditable than item you made with own hands.
cruciform: diana_coman: the whole point is that it's auditable, so why does it matter where you get it from?
diana_coman: asciilifeform, there is that
asciilifeform: i even described how you can substitute mercury switches for the analogue boards, if you only need a byte/minute or so , as in dice
diana_coman: cruciform, where did I say that?
cruciform: diana_coman: that would be the only advantage in paying more when buying directly from vendor
diana_coman: what puzzles is a. why would someone buy it from nsa to then sell it cheaper (admittedly it is possible though, anything is possible) b. if it's underpriced how is it worth it to spend *time* in order to get somehow possibly (not even surely) a slightly cheaper price
asciilifeform: cruciform: the real advantage is that you can actually get it, reliably, from vendor. whereas right now you're stuck looking for somebody with too many, that he itches to get rid of at a loss, to sell you cheaply.
asciilifeform: ( granted there may be such a person, i have nfi )
diana_coman: cruciform, ah, so this is about "maybe there is somewhere a deal and I pay 1 dime less?
asciilifeform: cruciform: i must inform you that we recently dropped the price, on account of rising btc/usd , and most of the folx who presently own FG, paid ~more~ than is today being charged
cruciform: for the record, it took ~30minutes to procure 2 units @10% below spot from a member of WoT
asciilifeform: oh so congrats cruciform
asciilifeform: loox like he already has his cheap FG !
diana_coman: asciilifeform, by now I suspect it's more a thing on the lines of "gotta have cheapest price possible or else sucker"
danielpbarron: !~later tell cruciform http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/iy0Tk/?raw=true
jhvh1: danielpbarron: The operation succeeded.
diana_coman: cruciform, worx then
diana_coman: by asciilifeform's calc earlier that would be $15 saved
asciilifeform: i'ma laugh if d00d confesses that he had to pay for postage ( s.nsa does not charge for postage... ) and it was == $15
diana_coman: cruciform, if you don't mind for my curiosity: does the difference actually matter or above what threshold does it matter?
diana_coman: asciilifeform, ahahaha
cruciform: perhaps I particulary want to patronise my vendor
cruciform: diana_coman: not at all; as I said: I'd pay far more than NSA price
asciilifeform: cruciform: it is because of this statement that you are getting puzzled stares
diana_coman: aha, so I got it right earlier: it's about cheapest price or else sucker
asciilifeform: otherwise nobody'd raise a brow, healthy market in used FG is not a badthing
cruciform: man at till says it'll be $10; you give him $20 just because?
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-26#1717379 << asciilifeform was even luckier, was vomited forth forever from the belly of the beast before even could set foot in grad school☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-09-26 04:41 elaineo: cuz i spent a dozen years thinking that that would be my ultimate achievement in life
diana_coman: cruciform, for one thing man at till is not producer - while I don't give "man at till" extra for the product itself (I might give him for the service if warranted, what), I might even want to give producer more if I consider what he does to be a great thing; payment is support at the end of the day; anyway keeping with your example the thing would be: man at till says it'll be $10, do you ask around in the shop if anyone sells
diana_coman: a 2nd hand one cheaper; fine to do it, sure, just ...surprising
asciilifeform: ( but then worked as civilian hired help, at civilian pay, for academics, but then quit even this )
cruciform: diana_coman: no disrespect intended to vendor
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-26#1717418 << fwiw 500k/annum ( unless in cash, for dealing black market plutonium ) is not 'rich' in usaschwitz, it typically comes with 450k/annum house+commute/etc☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-09-26 05:10 mircea_popescu: check out the dumb broad, she imagines moneymaking scales, rich dude is going to get into the same arrangements with her as rando highschool boyfriend would.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-26#1717447 << courts have no problem handing out verdicts loser 'could not possibly pay' in other circumstances. as in recent thread re janitor who burned down submarine☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-09-26 06:58 mircea_popescu: if on the other hand you elaine ou do terrible software work, that is EVERY SINGLE CUSTOMER. there is no way a company can pay up.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-26#1717444 << because microshit, and really ~no other reason☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-09-26 06:57 mircea_popescu: do you understand why computers and software are extempt from the general consumer protections ?
asciilifeform: if builders in babylon succeeded in petitioning hammurabi for same 'protections' as programmers got in 1980s -- we would still live in houses that fall down regularly, crushing everyone inside, and it would be considered 'normal'
asciilifeform brb, meat
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform chick wanted to live by the park or whatever homemaker achievement. a girlscout captive in a 25yo woman's body, still trying to get the right badges in her sophisticated culturedness.
mircea_popescu: and re the other thing, nevermind the practicals. the point was that it isn't an economic activity.
mircea_popescu: what stupidities the courts engage in isn't germane ; nor is anything else. it's not a social matter.
mircea_popescu: saying something can't be economically engaged in is a derivate of wovon, it's like babbage saying the problem of corectness can't be approached by mechanical means.
cruciform: !~later tell danielpbarron http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/6ddTH/?raw=true
jhvh1: cruciform: The operation succeeded.
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2017/teenagers-are-a-pain-in-the-ass/ << Trilema - Teenagers are a pain in the ass
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-26#1717520 << i dunno you two, seems basic market research. "so item x exists, shipped by manufacturer, costs x. are there cheaper units out there ?"☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-09-26 14:11 diana_coman is genuinely rather puzzled on this one
mircea_popescu: legitimate question. you all look on amazon. there's such a thing as a car aftermarket. what of it.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: nuffinwrong. it was funny because of the refrain of 'but it's underpriced!!1!'
mircea_popescu: as it happens in the case of FG afaik aftermarket is actually more expensive than list price, ie it's more like collected art than used cars, but to find that out you gotta ask, and the question sounds exactly like "any discount rembrandts around ?"
mircea_popescu: in any case the amd cpu i bought was underpriced both at list price and at 2nd hand price. cuz i sure as fuck ain'\t making one in my laundry room out of lint and wall shavings for less than a few hundred.
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, there was no question re being legitimate
diana_coman: surprising != illegitimate
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, i might consider asking if there's any cheaper than fiddy bux floating around
diana_coman: wtf is this now
mircea_popescu: diana_coman well, guy gotta ask, what.
diana_coman: sure, nothing wrong with that in itself; still for FG as it is and given "it's underpriced anyway" ...surprising; that's it, all of it
asciilifeform: in other hilarities, usa google front pg today features 'culture scholar Gloria E. Anzaldúa, The Mexican-American cultural theorist who identified invisible "borders" in society...'
danielpbarron: !~later tell cruciform kk, btw what size shirt would you like?
jhvh1: danielpbarron: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: thing gets moar barfy by the minute, even by decade-ago standards
cruciform: danielpbarron: size of shirt?
danielpbarron: i got some NSA shirts, will throw one in for free
cruciform: thanks! large
danielpbarron: k
danielpbarron: rats, i seem to only have mediums and XL with me, XL ok?
cruciform: sure
mircea_popescu: and in other alternative lifestyles, http://68.media.tumblr.com/24a2ec4935b32b3fbb2b3a25655c71e2/tumblr_oux04gq5vK1raeoe0o1_500.gif
asciilifeform: in other lulzies, https://archive.is/roEgM >> privesc 0day : '...all versions of CentOS 7 before 1708 (released on September 13, 2017), all versions of Red Hat Enterprise Linux 7 before 7.4 (released on August 1, 2017), and all versions of CentOS 6 and Red Hat Enterprise Linux 6 are exploitable' << Aaaaaaand as usual linus sat on the goods since april, because 'responsible'
mircea_popescu: what's linus to do with redhat's repackaged thing ?
asciilifeform: consider reading the link ?
asciilifeform: 'Linux distributions that have not patched their long-term kernels with https://git.kernel.org/linus/a87938b2e246b81b4fb713edb371a9fa3c5c3c86 (committed on April 14, 2015) are vulnerable...'
mircea_popescu: i am reading!
asciilifeform: as typical, he 1) patched 2) withheld the implications of the patch from all but usg
mircea_popescu: how the fuck did he sit on goods ?
mircea_popescu: ah come on.
asciilifeform: ( pro tip: when you patch and dun say why, there is a staff of 15,000+ people who do nuffin but to see exactly why )
mircea_popescu: the description is plain and was published two years ago. davidson fixed, torvalds commited within an hour. their job is done.
asciilifeform: 'responsible disclosure' == aid and comfort to enemy
mircea_popescu: red hat OPTED to be shitheads. like koch usually does.
mircea_popescu: dude he fucking says why!
mircea_popescu: https://archive.is/4hQKN << what'd you have had him say ?
asciilifeform digs in...
mircea_popescu: you can't turn terse explanations of the problem into lengthy discussions of implications taylored for idiots, what is this, black chix coding now ?
mircea_popescu: moreover, if anyone today depends on their linux not being vulnerable to LPE, they're ducked in the ducking heaf!
asciilifeform: nao this is so.
asciilifeform: ( and with respect to this, the pretense imho oughta be dispensed with. run it all in ring0, get 10-20% speed boost 'for phree' etc )
asciilifeform: or even go whole hog, to http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-13#1669650 .☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-06-13 22:37 asciilifeform: end result is to be a vaguely msdos-like thing that understands how to configure x64 page table, put/get blocks of disk, and speak over rs232 port. and on top of this, a self-building gnat.
cruciform: would it be retarded to use something like this to generate keys on an offline box? https://github.com/grondilu/bitcoin-bash-tools/blob/master/bitcoin.sh
mircea_popescu: cruciform do you understand how bitcoin keys work ?
cruciform: mircea_popescu: yes
mircea_popescu: ok so, all you need is a chunk of random data, which fg provides. you can hash that into a privkey and address.
cruciform: ok, so learn to write my own code/audit something like that
mircea_popescu: there's no way out of this. if you don't write, you have to read, such as the thing you linked.
mircea_popescu: for many small projects people prefer to write, because it's easier to write than read code.
cruciform: I was hoping somone in the WoT would have already done that
mircea_popescu: "someone in wot" is not meaningful in that sense. who's in ~YOUR~ wot ?
cruciform: but yea I agree, no sense in putting off learning it
cruciform: well my WoT is nascent, so I figured I could proxy "people whose blogs I enjoy"
cruciform: :p
mircea_popescu: yes, but proxying "girls whose tits i enjoy" into "life partner" is how people harvest the bitter fruit.
cruciform: fwiw, I don't know that the WoT applies to nubiles
mircea_popescu: on the other side, i don't know there's anything wot doesn't apply to.
mircea_popescu: this'd be an important theoretical point, incidentally, showing domain exception. tis not currently known.
cruciform: gotcha, and I expect your inductive argument is strong; on a large sample
cruciform: the WoT hasn't failed me yet
asciilifeform: arithmetic also has not failedmeyet
asciilifeform: what wouldja do , cruciform , if you met a fella who told you 'arithmetic finally failed me'
mircea_popescu: divine items, so far they've not failed us, just on occasion we fail them.
asciilifeform: aha.
cruciform: asciilifeform: suspect user error?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this'd be actually a great sf premise. end of days world, people running around having trouble with actual fundamentals.
mircea_popescu: "you heard about joe ? commutativity blew up for him last week"
mircea_popescu: like that one with the "visual prion", except written by someone who understands the science involved.
asciilifeform: !#s luminous
a111: 11 results for "luminous", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=luminous
asciilifeform: ^ old tale with similar premise
mircea_popescu: www.scribd.com/doc/86728044/Greg-Egan-Luminous redirects to some bulslhit advertising. because that's why they EVEN DO this.
mircea_popescu: you all know this, right ? the ONLY reason github is there is so that it will later redirect your links and try and make a penny.
asciilifeform: how else.
mircea_popescu: heidi roizen blogging on tumblr like an idiot, because she can't fucking afford a house now.
mircea_popescu: but i suppose the IMPLICATIONS WERENT MADE CLEAR hurr durr. pshaw.
asciilifeform: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/wpf7J/?raw=true << 313333337w4r3z
trinque has the dead tree sitting nearby, good stuff
mircea_popescu: I turned to the burglar. "There is no antidote. But the toxin won't kill you. You'll just wish it
mircea_popescu: would, for the next twelve hours. Goodbye."
mircea_popescu: weakass bs.
asciilifeform: iirc we already had this thread
asciilifeform: but last time mircea_popescu barfed over some other plot knob
mircea_popescu: what happened to "there is no antidote. but the toxin won't kill you, it'll just turn you into a bimbo!"
asciilifeform: hey gotta leave sumthing for mircea_popescu's tales !
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i'm a hater what can i tell ye.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform wait, is this the one with the visual virus ?
asciilifeform: nope
asciilifeform: that one was called 'blit'
asciilifeform: and much older
asciilifeform: this here is the one where d00d breaks arithmetic.
mircea_popescu: aite, well, i've no wai out now but to read it.
asciilifeform: last thread, going by the date of the warez txt on my hd, was some time around feb 4 2014.
mircea_popescu: I mean, fifteen billion years after the Big Bang, someone can still
mircea_popescu: come along and prove, say . . . Fermat's Last Theorem.
mircea_popescu: what is with these people.
BingoBoingo: <cruciform> asciilifeform: it's underpriced << I can sell you FG made by "own hands" for 12 BTC with deliver in 12, require 50% deposit, my option to instead deliver two alf-hands FG at month 11 for your trouble
cruciform: BingoBoingo: sorry: you're not in my WoT :)
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: at one time , get this, kakobrekla threatened to make'em
asciilifeform: ( evaporated, unsurprisingly )
BingoBoingo: <cruciform> man at till says it'll be $10; you give him $20 just because? << Well if $20 is new from vendor and $10 is with 200,000 miles of farts in the seats
mircea_popescu: ftr i've actually done that.
cruciform: yea - I expect I'll be throwing a few bitcents as a gratuity to the designers once I've grokked how useful it is
mircea_popescu: i think i'm rewriting this ;/
mircea_popescu: the "allison argument" is not even fucking terrible.
asciilifeform: oh hey hey hey lbj, $crate is here.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-26#1717535 << i'd like to revisit this item, because it actually makes sense to me : when asciilifeform was a student, he happily spent hundreds of hrs to make own lab equipment that was worth maybe a dozen 'min wage' hrs, theoretically -- because it was a more interesting way to spend the time than some min wage gulag would've been☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-09-26 14:16 diana_coman: what puzzles is a. why would someone buy it from nsa to then sell it cheaper (admittedly it is possible though, anything is possible) b. if it's underpriced how is it worth it to spend *time* in order to get somehow possibly (not even surely) a slightly cheaper price
asciilifeform: folx whose time ain't liquid ( which is most everybody in 'saecular world', incl. present-day asciilifeform , he could not smoothly double his pay by halving his spare time for one particular day and then not the next ) often do this sort of thing.
asciilifeform: asciilifeform still has ( and until recently, used! ) the rom writer, bench powersupply, etc. he made in early 2000s.
asciilifeform: this however is an argument in favour of handcrafting yer own equip, rather than for 'clipping coupons' , imho.
trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-21#1716536 << great way to learn☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-09-21 05:03 lobbes: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-20#1716279 << I ended up going this route.
mircea_popescu: i wish the record to permanently reflect that alison is a stupid fucking name.
mircea_popescu: what shall we call a genius math girl ?
BingoBoingo: Angel is a prefectly respectable math-stripper name
deedbot: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2017/09/26/google-trying-to-bill-service-cancelled-5-years-ago/ << Bingo Blog - Google Trying To Bill Service Cancelled 5 Years Ago
diana_coman: asciilifeform, I follow the part re make your own hands - thing there is that there IS gain in that expenditure of time; and that gain is arguably more than the 15 bucks; however, I don't follow how does that lead to "makes sense just as much to collect coupons /whatevs "
diana_coman: make with one's own hands, lol
asciilifeform: diana_coman: was my point
asciilifeform: though there was a much older thread where we considered how even clipping coupons could be a win, of sorts, because there is not 'applying' and there is no schedule or boss
asciilifeform: !#s while you sleep
a111: 34 results for "while you sleep", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=while%20you%20sleep
asciilifeform: ^ somewhere in there
asciilifeform: granted mircea_popescu will prolly add 'this is of course only win for the bull, not for the farmer' but i've never been the farmer. can only add pov of bull.
mircea_popescu: shh i'm writing!
asciilifeform: lolk
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> granted mircea_popescu will prolly add 'this is of course only win for the bull, not for the farmer' but i've never been the farmer. can only add pov of bull. << Is it pov of contemporary bull if you haven't lost count of prostate shocks delivered by farmer for the sake of knocking up distant dairy with veal
jurov just stumbled upon this incredible feature: https://vi.stackexchange.com/questions/4613/why-does-vim-allow-integer-division-by-zero
asciilifeform: lol!!
asciilifeform: exactly like my original ffa
shinohai: Man dies after attack by MOTHERFUCKING BEES! http://archive.is/GhCA6
BingoBoingo: shinohai: Opposite also dooms. One man used approximate anti-bee as cooking oil https://archive.is/i0zOo
BingoBoingo: And a confirmation for the Republic pt. 2: "The remaining 1% becomes sequestered in body fat. This portion is eliminated slowly, with a half-life of 18 days for the cis-isomer and 3.4 days for the trans-isomer (2, 4). "
trinque: attention all : there'll be electrical maintenance on the DC which houses deedbot tomorrow from 6AM to 9AM. deedbot itself will be up, and operating elsewhere starting this evening until after the end of the maintenance. deeds, other side services (RSS), and my node shall be offline starting at 5AM tomorrow.
trinque: US central, I should say.
mircea_popescu: heh
shinohai: http://archive.is/gJCkR <<< If only black girls had coded for him.