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asciilifeform: re shells, lack of completion is the kind of screaming imbecility for which there is no justification-- you're already sitting in front of a machine, it could be doing 100% of the algo-trivial brute work. rather than 90% - worst of both worlds, bulldozer that still leaves you with 2hr of shovel.
danielpbarron: ya but with the toilet you could be sitting ~on~ the machine doing some of that 90% thinking
asciilifeform: i dun follow..
asciilifeform: meanwhile, in the depths of cthonian horrors, https://qualiacomputing.com
asciilifeform: e.g. https://qualiacomputing.com/2015/05/22/how-to-secretly-communicate-with-people-on-lsd/ >> 'About 18 months ago I had a really cool idea: What if we could communicate with people who are high on LSD in such a way that sober people can’t understand?* I call this idea psychedelic cryptography (PsyCrypto for short).'
asciilifeform: didjaknow.
asciilifeform: paging gabriel_laddel !
shinohai: top kek
asciilifeform: ( or was it adlai )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform hey, im not defending random strawman. point was, you have yet to spend 2 hours typing in paths. so no, picking that over latrine is at best figure of speech, and in general simply "discount cost of unlived experience to 0"
asciilifeform: point is that not all 2hrs are created equal
mircea_popescu: this sword could cut both ways.
mircea_popescu: http://68.media.tumblr.com/53d4fd7084d33b37d3d9b33d6a9b70e3/tumblr_o2qa8moHWK1u32iy8o1_500.gif << good ass is more than a state of mind.
mod6: badonk
shinohai: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C2P0mVpUUAAwPeJ.jpg <<< moar assets
mod6: nom nom
mod6: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-16#1698698 << i was incorrect about this ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-08-16 03:20 mod6: for the record, i don't have that in my builds either, ignore that mike_c
mod6: phf ^
mod6: my builds do indeed have this.
mod6: so, when mike_c gets a chance, we'll examine his closely to see if his does indeed exist. and it ~should~.
mod6: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/rqJZh/?raw=true << for example
asciilifeform: in other noose, how come nobody noticed that we can accumulate the carry in Karatsuba_Term, and ripple it out once instead of 3 times per firing ...
mod6 looks
mod6: for i in N'Length .. XM'Length - 1 loop << so you can remove this loop then?
asciilifeform: well no
asciilifeform: it gotta happen once
asciilifeform: at the end of a karatsubaization
asciilifeform: right now it happens 3 times per.
asciilifeform: propagating a 0, 1, or -1 carry/borrow, depending
mod6: Ah, I admit, earlier I didn't have much chance at all to review this. In fact, to wrap my head around the fine points of ffa's more complex routines, takes me some time.
asciilifeform: but instead we can simply let Karatsuba_Term return the carry, and say c1, c2, c3 and in the end we ripple out c1+c2+(-1^subtractenable) .
asciilifeform: dun worry mod6
mod6: I've even had to whiteboard and unroll by hand to grasp some of its mechanics.
asciilifeform: plenty of time to digest .
asciilifeform: there are - by design- no deep maths in ffa.
mod6: Indeed, this is by design. But to ensure that I grok /exactly/ what it's doing, I am compelled to do by hand.
asciilifeform: it also can be helpful to instrument the proggy and let it barf
asciilifeform: see the steps.
mod6: sure, solid advise.
mod6: hey!
mike_c: good evening
mod6: mike_c: what version of Ubuntu are you trying to install upon?
mod6: (for sake of l0gz)
mike_c: hm, 16? lemme check
mod6: ok, thanks.
mike_c: yeah, 16.04
mod6: alright.
mod6: can you also do me a favor; `ls -al /var/trb/trb54/bitcoin/build/toolchain/usr/bin/` then paste.
mod6: (p.bvulpes.com ofc)
mike_c: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/bHTek/?raw=true
mod6: thanks!
mod6 looks
mike_c: possibly relevant section of `history`
mike_c: and the ls you asked for
mod6: yeah, hmm. so definatley something went wrong when unrolling all of the toolchain stuff from buildroot.
mod6: let me show you mine.
mod6: wait
mod6: i believe that to be the wrong dir you listed.
mod6: for instance, i think that to be: bitcoin/build/toolchain/usr/x86_64-therealbitcoin-linux-musl/bin
mod6: as opposed to:
mike_c: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/xgob8/?raw=true
mod6: bitcoin/build/toolchain/usr/bin
mod6: very weird. check out mine here:
mike_c: the anticipation is killing me
mod6: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/T8M6X/?raw=true
mod6: i've got 2 systems here that have successfuly built that I'm looking at. both look like this ^
mod6: one gentoo, one ubuntu
mod6: the one is exactly: Description: Ubuntu 16.04.2 LTS
mircea_popescu is so fucking thrilled to see "tools runs perfectly" lasting as long as it takes the fucktards to make a new version of whatever "os" package ;/
mod6: im not sure on this, something environmental it feels like -- yet, I have the same system with it working just peachy.
mike_c: well, who knows. did yours come with gcc4?
mod6: I seriously we'll ever resolve this for all until we just have an OS that pre-staged for this build process.
mod6: *seriously doubt
mod6: mike_c: I don't think it did. I set this one up like back in the spring. And I'm fairly sure it came with gcc5 and i vanquished all the bs by hand.
mod6: It ~sucked~.
mod6: Lemme check it out.
mike_c: i'll clean, rebuild, and check the logs carefully to try and see what happens with buildroot
mircea_popescu: mike_c http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/iKxpS/?raw=true << did it ever progress past this "c nout found" bs ?
mike_c: yes
mike_c: that was gcc5
mike_c: started from fresh VM, ran into this other situation.
mircea_popescu: so what's the latest barf ?
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-16#1698767 << last checkpoint. then what happened ? ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-08-16 04:07 mike_c: so now I burn this server to the ground and start over.
mike_c: it's looking for x86_64-therealbitcoin-linux-musl-gcc, which doesn't exist
mircea_popescu: can you paste the whole thing ?
mike_c: whole build output? I don't have it anymore, but I'm about to run it again and will save it.
mircea_popescu: please do yes.
mircea_popescu: just tee it to file / use screen and copy screen log as a standard practice when fighting build gnarl
mod6: before you haul off and run everything again, i think we aught to look at your update-alternatives
mod6: stand-by
mike_c: too late, but we can do that too
mircea_popescu: how goes PeterL
mod6: mike_c: what do these two say: ` update-alternatives --list gcc && update-alternatives --list g++`
PeterL: hi, it's going ok
mircea_popescu: cool
PeterL: So, if anybody was going to try the reverse mpfhf I posted yesterday, it does not work
mircea_popescu: was going to ask :D
mike_c: it's /usr/bin/gcc-4.7 and /usr/bin/g++-4.7
PeterL: just thought I should let you know while I work out the bugs
mod6: ok, that should be ok then, mike_c
mod6: and what about `echo $CC` anything set there?
mircea_popescu: mod6 pretty sure something breaks earlier in the flow because all my systems do have the item his is complaining about lacking.
PeterL: for a couple small examples it worked, so I think it is close
mod6: mircea_popescu: could be. very strange indeed.
mircea_popescu fully expects something on the level of "oh, if you want patch you have to say explicitly" sorta nonsense.\
mod6: mike_c: also, how much disk space do you have available? this thing is gonna need like min 20G in the fs you're building in. does your /var have that much?
mike_c: 200gb
mod6: ok, that should be way more than enough.
mod6: anything set with `echo $CC` ?
mike_c: no
mod6: ok
mod6: i'll wait for your build log, that should help.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in the hallway, http://68.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m0uhcwfbY31r4p8klo1_1280.jpg
mircea_popescu: mike_c that slow huh
mike_c: yup
mike_c: but it seems healthier this time.
mike_c: it is using /var/trb/trb54/bitcoin/build/toolchain/usr/bin/x86_64-therealbitcoin-linux-musl-g++, so I guess it exists..
mike_c: all I did was make clean
mike_c: and make again
mod6: `make ONLINE=1` ? or did you copy in the deeds (for the deps) by hand?
mike_c: make ONLINE=1 > buildlog.log 2>&1
mod6: werd
mike_c: and, hallelujah, there's a bitcoind.
mike_c: which kind of pisses me off, but ok.
mod6: yay!
mod6: yeah, no idea what gives.
mircea_popescu: lmao.
mike_c: I mean, the only non-deterministic thing is network I guess
mircea_popescu: count yourself blessed.
mike_c: receiving blocks! how exciting.
mike_c: height 20,000. this'll be done in no time
mod6: heheh
mike_c: my goat order is still pending. somebody wake up the intern at snsa that fills orders ;)
asciilifeform: mike_c: yours ships on friday when asciilifeform gets home from travel
mike_c: awesome
asciilifeform prolly oughta start simply carrying a sack of fg everywhere he goes
asciilifeform: mike_c: congrats on building trb, incidentally
mike_c: shouldn't everyone carry a sack of fg?
mike_c: and thanks! would have been easier if I had gone with gcc4 the first night.
mod6: no prob mike_c, glad you got it goin!
mod6: wow, was KLINED for some reason o.O !?
mod6: looks like a bunch of us got zapped
shinohai: My explanation mention bots sending kiddie pr0n
BingoBoingo: Per the "network" >> "-christel- [Global Notice] In light of the wave of spambots sending links to child pornography images, we have chosen to update our default umodes to include +R (blocking messages from unregistered users). To allow such messages, /mode yournick -R. Apologies for the disruption and the inconvenience."
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2017/08/barry-silbert-picks-block-494784-for-altcoin-exodus-from-bitcoin/ << Qntra - Barry Silbert Picks Block 494784 For Altcoin Exodus From Bitcoin
shinohai: !~later tell BingoBoingo http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/00egF/?raw=true
jhvh1: shinohai: The operation succeeded.
mod6: hola
shinohai: buenas dias mod6
mod6: how goes?
shinohai: Not bad here, getting set up for the day .... you?
mod6: shinohai: same.
mod6: heeeey a111 s back
diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-14#1697607 -> fwiw (just got up to date on logs) my max primorial fitting 4096 bits: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/yxN91/?raw=true ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-08-14 17:20 mircea_popescu: this is actually going to be teh magic number of the republic. so at this juncture i would like to ask everyone to compute "the largest primorial (ie, product of all successive primes) that fits in 515 bits", sign it and put it into deedbot.
diana_coman: diffed it and it seems to be same as PeterL's
trinque: wow, the idiots running this network.
shinohai: "There are bots spamming kiddie pr0n on the network, wat do?" ... "I know, lets Kline EVERYONE!!!!!"
shinohai: And continuing in mircea_popescu's "blondes prefer blacks" farms theme: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DHb4-tvWAAAp05V.jpg
shinohai: (Though perhaps not quite so blonde)
shinohai: !!up PeterL
deedbot: PeterL voiced for 30 minutes.
PeterL: http://trilema.com/2017/mps-fabulous-hash-function-and-its-family/#comment-122671 ( http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/PqCfM/?raw=true ) I think I am making progress on the reverse hash function
PeterL: but it still fails on some hashes, so I must still have something wrong in there
shinohai: !!up PeterL
deedbot: PeterL voiced for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: sooo... everyone got klined accidentally, test run for whenever ?
mircea_popescu: freenode ain't got so long left in it huh.
shinohai: Oh ffs .... "blockchain.info to support Ether"
mircea_popescu: are these the dorks that ran a webwallet that then removed the multiaddress sends ?
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2017/the-famous-roasted-bird-soup-salata-de-boeuf-transform/#comment-122667 << meanwhile i can't decide if this is parody or just the new level.
shinohai: yup. also same one with the single-integer rng bug.
mircea_popescu: https://static1.squarespace.com/static/57794de3f7e0ab3baff27ef0/t/58016d50b8a79bb988dd115d/1476488617465/seth-bannon-and-ela-madej-fifty-yearsjpg << "Ela and Seth are great at bringing operational efficiency to our company, including both managing tasks and team motivation. They’re able to do such a good job because they’ve walked the journey and built great companies. " — Harry Gandhi, Co-founder & CEO, Medella Health
mircea_popescu: are they fucking serious ? why isn't she sucking his toes then ?
mircea_popescu: WTF SOCKS ARE THOSE for a male!?
asciilifeform: lol! where did this pic come from mircea_popescu ?
mircea_popescu: above comment\
asciilifeform: 'Commercialising cultured meat
asciilifeform: to move humanity to a new,
asciilifeform: better food system.'
asciilifeform: ahahahaha
asciilifeform: 'nurx.co -- On-demand birth control delivered to your door' ☟︎
mircea_popescu: and in other ustardian sads : this gringo has a dog. he refers to the dog as she, and got it a pink collar and everything. it got flipped on its back while playing with a puppy (which, at six weeks old, is way the fuck more dominant, and generally rounded than the gringo's misfortunate mongrel) and lo! penis. ballsac.
asciilifeform: 'Real leather without the animals' ^ perhaps good fit for subj
mircea_popescu: i can't discern if this dude has no fucking idea how the sexual parts work, or if some deeper insanity on the level of "transsexual dog" is afoot
mircea_popescu: but i also don't want to ask.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform usian influence has reached so far, you can't buy snake skin in costa rica. at least not officially.
asciilifeform: strange
shinohai: This sounds like something you'd say in Eulora "- I think it's more likely to be some mixture of the leftovers from 7 roasted suckling pigs, 10 whole ducks, 5 ostriches etc - one needs to just go back in time enough for that."
asciilifeform: readily available in usa
mircea_popescu: lol shinohai
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes, this is the problem with idiot orcs who fall for the empire agitprop.
mircea_popescu: anyway, there['s no doubt in my mind that unless we actually butcher a few tens of millions pantsuits, actual meat will go out within our lifetimes.
asciilifeform: for good chunk of usa inhabitants, it vanished long ago
asciilifeform: ( replaced, at least for now, with mysteryburger, rather than pure synthetic )
shinohai: "We a'in got no bleeding Ostrich ... now piss off"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/LVYEj/?raw=true
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform can still buy it at costco.
mircea_popescu: but, yes, frog boils slowly.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: got it, ty!
ben_vulpes: failed to notice bot hadn't come back with me
mircea_popescu: nevertheless -- i'd much rather actually have "white 29yo female aspiring writer" cuts hanging from the meathooks, 5 bux a pound or w/e.
asciilifeform: i'ma pass on eating the progesterone ty
asciilifeform: ( bad enough that we're sitting here and... drinking it )
asciilifeform: ( maybe eat the males, ~milk~ the females, like on other farms..? )
mircea_popescu: im not eating faggot.
mircea_popescu: tis haram.
asciilifeform: feed'em to pigs then
mircea_popescu: i was thinking crabs.
asciilifeform: this, or biofermenter
asciilifeform: crabs oughta work. or pirannhas. ( aficionados tell me that there is not a tastier fish alive )
mircea_popescu prefers trout.
mircea_popescu: but -- pirannhas have the advantage that can take them live.
asciilifeform: dunno that trout eats redditus tho. 'reduce, reuse, recycle' (tm)(r)
asciilifeform: aha!
mircea_popescu: just put them trough a steel balls mill first, so they're beaten up a bit / broken bones here and there.
asciilifeform: redditus in the tank, delish fish out.
asciilifeform: and yea tenderizing couldn't possibly hurt.
mircea_popescu: this is actually a fabulous solution to the problem. pick amazon river, large enough to deal, build "pantsuitwash" on the side, basically just a vertical mill room. like a car wash but with steel balls attached to the rotating poles. simply push the herd through, mechanically.
mircea_popescu: have pens outside for storage.
mircea_popescu: no lye no ovens no nothing. fish the fish downstream.
asciilifeform: afaik pirannha can handle the patient intact even.
mircea_popescu: yeah but the screams are important.
asciilifeform: just takes a little longer
mircea_popescu: random lisa kudrow gets to spend a few weeks under the stars listening to the desperate screams (phrased as a quesiton, of course) of her elders, then it's her turn.
asciilifeform: i was thinking more along the lines of a swimming pool, but with bars on top, just enough air to put head out of the water under same
mircea_popescu: can roll eyes while having hip dislocated, even.
asciilifeform: who's kudrow
mircea_popescu: the dumb chick from friends.
asciilifeform believe or not, never saw
mircea_popescu: keeps making these idiotic mary sue fiction movies where she's not a total fucktard escaped from the titty bar.
mircea_popescu: you also don't know what jennifer hair is ?
asciilifeform: in not wholly unrelated noose, paypal joins airbnb etc in excommunication frenzy of various 'alt' redditus
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: believe or not, true, don't know
mircea_popescu: heh.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform different waitress from the same show, married one of the pretty boys. vin diesel maybe ?
mircea_popescu: anyway, at some point in the 20s every other sorority slut had hair cut the same way
asciilifeform can picture
mircea_popescu: hence jennifer hair.
mircea_popescu: it didn't help that due to the extremely limited neuronal load in their idiotic mothers, about every other sorority slut was actually named jennifer in the period.
mircea_popescu: anywya, there was also a brunette one and i forger the rest. five of them total.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-17#1699670 << this ftr is how drugs have worked in major cities for a long time now. but of course they don't perceive the obligation to point out, "Hey, we figured we could do the mary jane trick for postinor, cuz we're too chickenshit to push grass." ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-08-17 20:10 asciilifeform: 'nurx.co -- On-demand birth control delivered to your door'
asciilifeform: but in very other olds, apparently in an obscure article in '09 bernstein shows how to eliminate one of the middle-term additions of karatsuba . ☟︎
asciilifeform: d00d was at his peak, then.
asciilifeform: ( the smooth-parts-of-integers article was from same iirc period )
mircea_popescu: o ?
asciilifeform: ( https://binary.cr.yp.to/bbe-20090604.pdf for aficionados with laserprinter )
asciilifeform: also lit search came back with an equally obscure recipe for a 10% or so faster comba ( tldr : compute the square (diagonal) digits in a separate walk, and add them to the result of the nondiagonal pass , at the end )
asciilifeform: i will share the imho interesting fact that asciilifeform sifted through literally several kg of rubbish ( i print things to read... ) before turning up these items.
asciilifeform: the snr of 'cryptographers' is somewhere south of that of tardstalk.
mircea_popescu: myeah.
mod6: evenin
mod6: Went to this ukrainian place called Kramarczuk's Deli today. Place has awesome Rubans. Got a Pierogi too. And some Cheddarwost sausages to go. They make 'em right there.
mod6: mmmm