ben_vulpes: also it is *snowing* on *christmas eve* in the northern suburbs of the socialist paradise
mircea_popescu: nobody will note nor should they. why does it need renaming ?
ben_vulpes: otherwise v.pl won't recognize it as a seal.
ben_vulpes: let's try again: i misnamed the seal for the truncation patch, must have "ben_vulpes" in the last period-delimited field of the seal name instead of "ben_vules"
danielpbarron: in his defense, you'd have to rename it anyway as the mailing list adds the sha sum to the filename
mircea_popescu: for teh first time in many weeks, i dunno what to say.
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron yeah, not too crazy about that behaviour either.
danielpbarron: i know this was discussed already but i don't see how the sha in the url helps, or for that matter posting sums in chan. if the enemy is gonna swap out the file he can swap out the hash too right?
mircea_popescu: separate items. i think the sha was in the ml name to prevent collisions ;
mircea_popescu: it's in the channel as an ad-hoc thing, "this person is voiced atm, if that's worth anything to you". not intended to prove anything to archeologists.
ben_vulpes: pflol well after excising max_outbound_connections and the one-connection-per-block connection count now at 114 and node very quickly got back up to date
ben_vulpes: there's ~no way that the timeout requestment has fired yet
shinohai: So shinohai managed to acquire decent hotel room on Xmas eve in old hometown .... and has a curious fake plant that resembles marijuana sitting in corner.
shinohai: gimmie a moment .... shitty fone
ben_vulpes: lol what kind of unholy fascimilie is that
shinohai: I have no idea, these things are located all over the building. I like the place though, beats the shit out of LaQuinta Inn or whatever.
deedbot: KutmasteR voiced for 30 minutes.
trinque wonders when the republic shall revive saturnalia
trinque: wine floweth, pants on head, masters serving slaves, carnival riot
trinque: anyhow, whichever one cracks the wine bottles in your house, enjoy it.
ben_vulpes: and eyy, just caught a block before blockchain.info
mircea_popescu: trinque i just got to watch like 4 or 5 different fireworks displays.
trinque: mircea_popescu: lovely, any holiday worth a shit has explosions.
ben_vulpes: is there an argument to be made against asking peers for new blocks every time TRB loops through the peerlist? too resource-intensive?
shinohai: Dunno what others think, but I would prefer this as a knob to turn on/off
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: that could in theory be once and never after for long-running and stable connections
ben_vulpes: shinohai: howabout a timeout knob? every <configurable> minutes after the last block, pushgetblocks to all peers?
shinohai: That's a good idea too ... timeout knob.
mircea_popescu: "every 10 minutes pushgetblocks to all peers that advertise higher height than yours" is still wasteful, you will ask 114 people for the same item with your new cuts.
mircea_popescu: how about "pushgetblock to ONE peer randomly selected from the list of peers advertising higher block tip than you have upon every block verification (whether successful or not) and every 10 minutes henceforth"
mircea_popescu: then the "10" can be configurable ; or else it can be calculated by the node, (such as "117% of average time it took me to check the past 144 blocks" for instance)
ben_vulpes: i'll have to look into how block height is advertised but that makes sense mircea_popescu
deedbot: BigTexasBingo voiced for 30 minutes.
BigTexasBingo: Hola, shit latino navidad has a fuckton of fireworks
ben_vulpes: wowee, when i reload blockchain.info first it shows one number for how long a block's been advertised and then shortly thereafter, another number indicating they've known about it for longer than they said at first!
ben_vulpes: the magic of javascript! you can decide what world you live in!
danielpbarron: what's the difference? maybe they report the time they initially saw it but don't list till it's verified
danielpbarron: i've noticed a few times my node saw a block before bc.i but they end up listing it before mine verifies
ben_vulpes: danielpbarron: first the page renders with 500918: 12, then five seconds later 500918 now apparently has an age of 13 minutes
ben_vulpes: yeah, and this is true of all their listed blocks
ben_vulpes: i imagine there's some "isomorphic backend rendering" node black magic horseshit going on behind the scenes
jhvh1: BigTexasBingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 13780.74, vol: 17506.11025523 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 13249.0, vol: 67456.67368532 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 13557.1, vol: 3304.87907432 | Volume-weighted last average: 13365.9956466
ben_vulpes: anyways, my node is now either fourteen or fifteen minutes behind bc.i depending on how their javascript feels, so perhaps there's nothing to this aggression after all, sorry to disappoint BigTexasBingo
BigTexasBingo: Don't read to much into the words, follow the laughing and you're in.
mircea_popescu: it's a complicated topic, ben_vulpes ; do not expect "this one weird trick" cures.
mircea_popescu: solid and patient improvements towards the right thing ; but preferably after db fix & client split as discussed.
BigTexasBingo: Could be the most practical trilema piece of the year that one. Utilized in meatspace so soon after publication.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: am looking more for "open throttle to max airflow" knob than holographic stickers to increase hp
ben_vulpes: in other random lols: 2017-12-25_02:27:44.00324 version message: version 70013, blocks=0
mircea_popescu: did he ever answer to why is he such a despicable piece of shit ?
mircea_popescu: or is this alt-world where we never have to confront uncomfortable truths.
ben_vulpes: all worlds outside #trilema are the alt-world
a111: Logged on 2017-10-17 12:41 mircea_popescu: phf who the fuck is some tool named david know or have to say about "ruble" anyway
mircea_popescu: giving a bad name to both respectability and dissolution at the same time!
mircea_popescu: anyway, i guess the buttcoiner pedo pantsuitism readily answers the economic question. dood trashed early bitcoin business BECAUSE that's why he had it in the first place. wasn't looking to do something useful, was looking to establish cred to try and fuck up the useful.
a111: Logged on 2017-12-23 17:49 asciilifeform: or disgorge, via any means short of full bore crack, anything previously written therein , as a file
mircea_popescu: they may omit to implement any meaningful utility or security ; what they will NEVER omit is a fully implementation of the ideology.
mircea_popescu: you KNOW they'll have heartbleed and orc glyphs and so on and so forth, even as the "security tokens" never expire and the gameplay just isn't there.
a111: Logged on 2017-12-25 14:17 asciilifeform: 1 thing i dunget, tho, how did gerald davis turn into david gerard ?
mircea_popescu: they're in the biofilm as their own oh-so-precious choice, specifically so as not to be distinguishable, wut can we do.
deedbot: l0de voiced for 30 minutes.
l0de: Yes hello, l0de here
l0de: I'm here in search of funds
l0de: where is our homie Danielpbarron
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: danielpbarron was last seen in #trilema 15 hours, 36 minutes, and 5 seconds ago: <danielpbarron> oh hah, that's way off huh
l0de: DPB pledged $800 to support the radio arts
l0de: I myself partook of such fleshy delights last evening
l0de: We ran a pirate radio last week, actually
l0de: the transmitters available to us cycle out a lot
l0de: often we're hitting shortwave stuff
l0de: I generally don't handle the technical elements of it
l0de: people are just grabbing the stream and rebroadcasting it on local transmitters
l0de: it's mega fun though
mircea_popescu: l0de the technical elements of it are specifically what interests me, actually.
mircea_popescu: are you willing to run a sponsorship ad on your next show, so people who DO sw-retransmit get some dough ?
l0de: sure, if the previous promised funds are remitted
l0de: most of the people who retransmit are already quite wealthy
mircea_popescu: i've no doubt they will be, dood just needs to wake up.
l0de: If you want to talk radio shit, #LRH on efnet, sloth and nance are the big gearheads
l0de: there are a few people there really into web transmission of stuff too, who know all about nginx etc
l0de: my own expertise is in psychological operatives, I'm former intel
l0de: I'm only vaguely acquainted, I spoke with DPB about it
a111: Logged on 2017-11-12 16:48 mircea_popescu: well, reading through what ? #trilema is the forum of the most serene republic, a terrorist organisation dedicated to the dissolution of all fiat sovereigns and the permanent barring of such nonsense in the future.
l0de: and was somewhat put off to find he didn't have any actionable plans other than BTC inevitably collapsing the government
l0de: whereas I am one of the oldschool change grows out of the barrel of a gun types
mircea_popescu: so, to get on the same page here, the general strategy is, 1. construct undisruptable comms ; 2. disrupt usg&friends comms ; 3. disrupt usg&friends physical presence.
☟︎☟︎ mircea_popescu: as far as mostly 1 is concerned, there's significant interest in shortwave, which is why it's a recurrent thread in the logs.
l0de: that's much more desirable than what we had
l0de: shortwave is problematic for a lot of reasons
l0de: well for one, it's one of the things the mil pays EXTREMELY close attention to
l0de: every single thing happening on shortwave is of interest to them
l0de: and it's all mapped and documented
l0de: whereas comparatively internet traffic is all filtered and only things fitting a profile are really logged and paid attention to
mircea_popescu: the idea isn't at any point to somehow "appear small and escape detection".
l0de: additionally shortwave is jammable, unreliable, and lossy
l0de: If shortwave was the problem, the USG could render the entire thing unusable with relatively trivial effort
l0de: however it's a valualbe supplement
l0de: no, let me take a look at this
mircea_popescu: it did not work for the soviets ; and it won't work for these soviets v2.0 eithert.
l0de: the soviets never tried to go nuclear and completely bombard the frequencies
l0de: because of the whole ww3 thing
l0de: now that that's not such a consideration, it's possible to do that in a "oh fuck" scenario
mircea_popescu: the point doesn't JUST go re nukes per se ; this whole "usg could do THE BIG THING" is entirely pantsuit wank.,
l0de: I'm intimately familiar with nukes
l0de: lol @ the sec email by the way
mircea_popescu: in point of fact the usg is today much less powerful or capable than ye olde ck-kpss.
l0de: well I'm just saying here
l0de: at the point where shortwave communications pose an existential threat to usg
l0de: they have the ability to greatly degrade all shortwave communications
l0de: to the point of unusability
l0de: why do you believe they lack that capability
mircea_popescu: they have less of an ability to impede sw comms than the soviets had in 1977 ; and it didn't work for the soviets in 1977.
l0de: oh I see, I was unaware you were in intelligence
mircea_popescu: i am not in intelligence ; i have my very own intel dept, as a going concern.
l0de: well, I would suggest you remain open to the possibility that this capability exists
l0de: as a free tip from your friend, l0de ray dio
l0de: I'm more of a fan of a microsat style solution
l0de: it is a huge fucking pain in the ass to deal with those
l0de: because we don't currently have a platform that can deal with them in a meaningful way
l0de: I'm actually working on a science fiction story about it right now
mircea_popescu: romania recently launched its first sat ; it was a 10 cc sorta lul.
l0de: we roma believe it's now what you have
shinohai: Logged 13:19 +l0de yes, I'm a gyp >>> dasracist.ada
deedbot: l0de voiced for 30 minutes.
l0de: well my people are from Ardeal
☟︎ l0de: so we're a little related
l0de: MAKE MOLDOVA ROMANIA AGAIN
l0de: alright, well I am off to take advantage of the holiday cheer by swindling some people
l0de: fare the well, hollar @ dpb if you see him for me
l0de: ya, he's sending the funds to MTW
l0de: who I believe registered and leapt through the hoops
l0de: MTW is our moneyman
l0de: Our next show will be on 12/31
l0de: get someone to call in and do an infomercial about the republic
☟︎ mircea_popescu: anyway, for the record and in case it isn't entirely self-evident on the basis of
http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-25#1758486 : whenever some self-proclaimed "sovereign" of the fiat sort tries to say "hey, we have a law", the correct response is to a) point out to that self-proclaimed faux sovereign that there exist other just as valid because just as self-proclaimed faux sovereigns (the eu, russia, china, whatever, bucnha them
☝︎☟︎☟︎ mircea_popescu: ) ; b) that the "law" of $random-other-fiatlul MAY (not does, MAY) diverge in any manner at any point and finally that c) it is incumbent on the pretender to exhaustively prove to any arbitrary standard that b does not apply.
mircea_popescu: this drives the screw into the psychopaths that their wankworld is just one random wankworld among many extant and possible ones, of no further interest than any other piece of bad fanfic, and besides, evidently the only way to satisfy c is if they conquer each other, so maybe ww-lulz can be had in the same go.
a111: Logged on 2017-12-25 18:32 l0de: get someone to call in and do an infomercial about the republic
mod6: My host for 'www.mod6.net' is currently down, support ticket filed. Will let you know when it's back up. Thanks.
danielpbarron: i already sent the money to MTW that night. pretty sure it went through
a111: Logged on 2017-12-21 01:52 phf: i think correct method would really be to get the transaction out as a binary array into shiva, and then have a transaction parser in shiva itself that'll break it down into a sexp or whatever
ben_vulpes: will post the transaction dumper later, after i tinker with it a bit more.
ben_vulpes: oho i think i see why the rebroadcaster appeared to fail completely, nobody likes trb dust
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shinohai: Logged: 15:57 <-- lollig400 has quit (K-Lined) <<< Now we are closer to nigger free.
ben_vulpes: "The SEC, on the other hand, thinks that the accelerated monitoring fees themselves were dumb and bad. It is not wrong, exactly, about that. But dumb and bad fees are not, in general, violations of the securities laws, and so the SEC has to pretend that the dumb and bad fees were also not disclosed. It is sort of a charming picture of the investment industry: If a fee is dumb and bad enough, then no investor
ben_vulpes: could have agreed to pay it, so it must not have been disclosed. Even if it actually was."
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform, mod6, mircea_popescu: because an ideal v wouldn't apply both increase_aggression_levels and excise_hash_truncation when pressing excise_hash_truncation, how do i make another vpatch depend on both of those without needlessly touching a file changed in excise_hash_truncations to make increase_aggression_levels depend on it or vice versa?
ben_vulpes: i baked the vpatch i'm working on by pressing to excise_hash_truncation which only works accidentally, as v.pl presses both leaves at that level (first increase_aggression_levels and then excise_hash_truncation); but i don't see a route to producing a vpatch stitching together excise_hash_truncation and increase_aggression_levels without doing something that v doesn't support like pressing multiple heads
ben_vulpes: the specifics of this case is that increase_aggression_levels touches *only* net.cpp and excise_hash_truncations touches a whole lotta stuff but *not* net.cpp
☟︎ a111: Logged on 2017-12-25 18:29 l0de: well my people are from Ardeal
phf: so first time i got on irc, 96 or so, i was on some random irc channel, and overcome with the awesomeness (in the proper sense) of this intercontinental communication. the person i was talking to was irish, so, eager to find some common ground in this historically first teleconference between the russian people and the irish, i blurted that you could say that i'm also sort of irish
phf: he said, oh yeah, so i had to explain that you could say that i was irish, by way of Rurik, who was a Varangian. when the guy finally understood what i was talking about, he was not amused, possibly because i got my nordic tribal relationships wrong
phf: so naturally i was surprised and delighted when i came to u.s., and discovered that every other person i'd meet was also russian, by way of a great great great great parent who imigrated from ireland, fleeing as he was the repercussions of second desmond rebellion
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