spyked: mircea_popescu, last line? also, no, haven't spoken to him. my idea was to just post this on blog and then ask him if he's willing to translate (refer log and so on). could also do it the other way around, not sure.
mircea_popescu: in your paste, last line, "These would be, dear local investors, a few specific"
mircea_popescu: and your idea is not good. first you talk to him in principle, then you do the script, then etc. cinema has a flow!
spyked still doesn't get first question.
mircea_popescu: spyked the romanian you pasted contains an english-language last line.
spyked: not only the last line.
spyked: anyway. I was going to give the translation a shot either way, to work out translation muscle.
spyked: but will drop teleschpenker a line and ask him if he's interested. (also, his rates, if any. from my pov the text is public and so on, I'm not exactly in the translation profession)
mircea_popescu: bwahahaha "The agency regarded as the world’s leader in breaking into adversaries’ computer networks failed to protect its own." what, is this from "the fake news site regarded (by itself) as the most influential item in the world, above even trilema, and staffed with people from the premiere (according to themselves) institution in the world" ?
mircea_popescu: next they're going to win the world series, these people.
mircea_popescu: i alwsays suspected that was an original english (or french) item stoletranslated to ro as the practice was at the time
mircea_popescu: could, but i was unspecifically suspicious when first saw in 90s
a111: Logged on 2017-10-01 04:06 mircea_popescu: "If pet food companies used the same business model as startups: Jim creates a dog food factory and gives away dog food for free. 450 million dogs line up for free dog food. Purina Dog Chow understands that non-paying dog food consumers are currency, and buys Jim’s factory for $42 per dog." << in other historical elaineo lulz.
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: elaineo was last seen in #trilema 6 weeks, 0 days, 19 hours, 29 minutes, and 26 seconds ago: <elaineo> i do not
mircea_popescu: apparently this magic wand works so why noit shake it s`more :D
☟︎ hanbot: spyked i lolled; also "use the remaining to produce milk for four cows." might be better stated as "use the remaining to produce four cows' worth of milk." or similar
☟︎ hanbot: also Goodbye or Good Afternoon might work better on the Bye of the British, somehow the shortening sounds yankee
☟︎ mircea_popescu: it'd appear then it was a seedling that grew up in the manner of folk productions
mircea_popescu: T.A.O. operators must constantly renew their arsenal to stay abreast of changing software and hardware, examining every Windows update and new iPhone for vulnerabilities. “The nature of the business is to move with the technology,” a former T.A.O. hacker said.
mircea_popescu: if only ants could speak they'd be no less entertaining.
a111: Logged on 2017-11-13 00:16 hanbot: also Goodbye or Good Afternoon might work better on the Bye of the British, somehow the shortening sounds yankee
mircea_popescu: "For decades after its creation in 1952, the N.S.A. — No Such Agency, in the old joke —" << check it out alf, teh times is retconning it into "an old joke"
spyked:
http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-13#1736972 <-- I did follow in read-only mode. (and unfortunately suspecting that I will continue to do so until upcoming vacation, when I can start doing ~actual productive work) the principle being, I either read daily, or logs pile up and I fall continuously out of sync. (almost happened last weekend!)
☝︎ a111: Logged on 2017-11-13 00:10 mircea_popescu: apparently this magic wand works so why noit shake it s`more :D
a111: Logged on 2017-11-13 00:14 hanbot: spyked i lolled; also "use the remaining to produce milk for four cows." might be better stated as "use the remaining to produce four cows' worth of milk." or similar
mircea_popescu: in other lulz : 19BY2XCgbDe6WtTVbTyzM9eR3LYr6VitWK, the btc address printed on some "shadow brokers blog", got almost enough money for a small boat.
mircea_popescu: if only they had the sense to be in the pizzeria line a few years ago!
a111: Logged on 2017-11-12 16:12 mircea_popescu: !!withdraw 0.02 1GrvBXDT2XTnQ83yCsTZmqVtnZto223DkB
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i dunno, some random dorks "reinventing" some web or the other.
mircea_popescu: sooner or later it gotta get through teh skulls that no, there's no "power in the multitudes".
mircea_popescu: the shadow brokers wrote a post, with the shit they did. made them... 19.81
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mircea_popescu: conceivably SOME of that came other than "because we published in today's mp-wp clone-wannabe"
mircea_popescu: (funny shit, too, wasn't "medium" gonna be IT last year ? now "steemit" ? next month "wegiveup", the "platform for america" ?)
mircea_popescu: jsm. could come with a handy "pronounciation guide", which the sort of tard outfits listing "evanghelist" and "at large" on their "Careers" page always include in their god-awful "phonetic" pigdin i mean peeg-deen
mircea_popescu: b, n right next to each other. geddit ? it's ANOTHER joke. wrapped in a poon.
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a111: Logged on 2017-08-31 03:12 asciilifeform: hey mats did usg schutzstaffel corps teachya to set legs ?
mats: too many recruits fucking it up and getting people recycled to start
mircea_popescu: mats cuz nobody wounded anymore, all work ~= adult diaper changes ?
mats: also don't train to fight with bayonet anymore either
mats: literally never seen one in a supply cage in my entire service
a111: Logged on 2016-08-17 18:07 mircea_popescu: "bring my my brown pants"
mats: buttstock p good at knocking a fucker out actually
mats: i passed out after getting hit in formation the one time
mircea_popescu seems to recall this is the problem the original english also encountered. "these colonists dun understand how fighting wars works!!"
mats: dunno what its made of.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform honestly, i believe there's 0 expectation on the part of us army that anyone under that flag will ever fight again. "you wanna shoot, join the police wtf! army is for "assisting local combatants"
mats: i've heard a number of stories with folks using pointy end of empty rifle to strike dwelling inhabitants during breach&clear, jokesters bringing hatchets, axes, machetes for MOUT, etc
mats: tomahawks are a perennial favorite
mircea_popescu: how come everything these people do is wankery "with a nsn"
a111: Logged on 2017-01-27 23:36 asciilifeform: (i was once, and i shit thee not, 'research chemist'. not because knew any chemistry, but because there was -- i shit thee not -- no box to 'tick' in the form, for 'programmer')
BingoBoingo back from ferrying a little miss trainwreck around.
jhvh1: 12. Having had a spiritual awakening as the result of these steps, we tried to carry this message to alcoholics, and to practice these principles in all our affairs.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I've been ferrying a miss trainwreck around as favor to her sponsor. Very entertaining ordeal.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: What more is there to say, Spent good chunk of the day learning from the weapon of mass destruction in my passenger seat.
BingoBoingo: In other mine chaff: "What the fuck… that is the most messed up thing I ever read. I am not European just because I have white skin, you sicko. I do not relate to the experiences of white people, why would I identify with them? You probably have an inferiority complex and feel the need to pretend you’re white because you hate yourself."
BingoBoingo: "Instead of fetching your slippers they’ll shit on them without remorse, as if keenly aware that ruining your property would be insulting to you. Instead of sleeping next to you, ready, and waiting in guard position, they will find a comfy spot squarely on your forehead, burrow down and screech to high heaven if you motion to remove them. Rinse and repeat they will, despite many deserved beatings. Brats."
mats: "And we are pushing robots to the limit in terms of the speed that they can operate at, and asking our suppliers to make robots go way faster, and they are shocked because nobody has ever asked them that question. It's like if you can see the robot move, it's too slow. We should be caring about air friction like things moving so fast. You should need a strobe light to see it. And that's incredibly critical to CapEx
☟︎ BingoBoingo: I thought needing a strobe light to see was something young boys learned escaping Kevin Spacey's basement
a111: Logged on 2017-11-13 04:46 mats: "And we are pushing robots to the limit in terms of the speed that they can operate at, and asking our suppliers to make robots go way faster, and they are shocked because nobody has ever asked them that question. It's like if you can see the robot move, it's too slow. We should be caring about air friction like things moving so fast. You should need a strobe light to see it. And that's incredibly critical to CapEx
ag3nt_zer0: Never been in a place that has equaled that in regards to my definition of a warm home... looking forward to learning more of Ingels
☟︎ mircea_popescu: in other news : it was established in teh minigame torture rooms that in point of fact 4096 bit keys contain only 4090 bits of entropy at the very most (minus whatever koch-gpg manages to shave off in other ways).
mircea_popescu: the reason is that (in a translation of what koch-gpg does into sanity) you take 2045 bits of rng for each possible prime, stick 11 in front and 1 in the tail and THAT is your 2048 bit prime candidate.
mircea_popescu: the reason you stick the 1 in the tail is to ensure odd numbers -- large even numbers are never prime. this much is a math-forced reduction.
mircea_popescu: the reason you stick the first 1 in the front is, evidently, to not end up with sub-4096 Ns
☟︎ mircea_popescu: the reason you stick the 2nd 1 in front is, not evidently, also to not end up with sub-4096 Ns : if you had the exceptional case of your primes being each 2^2047 + 1 your N would then be 2^4094+2^2048+1, which is shorter than 4096 bits.
mircea_popescu: this is evidently a "loss" of entropy, in the sense that what is advertised (4096) differs from what is actually delivered (no more than 4090). i am of a good mind to start calling them 4090 bit keys tbh.
☟︎ diana_coman: p and q are different so there won't be exactly this limit case there, but obv same 4095 bits n instead of 4096 for other low-enough odd numbers that might be primes
mircea_popescu: anyway, back to rsa discussion : there's about 6.5e612 primes in the interval 2^2045-1, 0 (by teh prime number theorem). every key needs a pair of these, and no number can EVER be repeated (if it is -- phuctor breaks both keys).
mircea_popescu: the chances of such repeating happening naturally'd be ~the inverse of ∏(1 - 2i/6.5e612), 1<i<n where n is the number of keys ever made. fortunately this evaluates to "never" on all extant iron.
mircea_popescu: this is not "true for very many keys like a billion trillion keys". this is true all the way up, by the time one's made 10^609 keys we're starting to get into five-nines assurance of unicity.
☟︎ shinohai: Johnson, clear my schedule for the day.
shinohai: Go ahead and clear Tuesday too.
shinohai: of course, im the baron titsbare
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> in other news : it was established in teh minigame torture rooms that in point of fact 4096 bit keys contain only 4090 bits of entropy at the very most (minus whatever koch-gpg manages to shave off in other ways). << uugh. every time we peel a layer back...
a111: Logged on 2017-11-13 11:40 mircea_popescu: the reason you stick the first 1 in the front is, evidently, to not end up with sub-4096 Ns
a111: Logged on 2017-11-13 11:43 mircea_popescu: this is evidently a "loss" of entropy, in the sense that what is advertised (4096) differs from what is actually delivered (no more than 4090). i am of a good mind to start calling them 4090 bit keys tbh.
a111: Logged on 2017-11-13 12:44 mircea_popescu: this is not "true for very many keys like a billion trillion keys". this is true all the way up, by the time one's made 10^609 keys we're starting to get into five-nines assurance of unicity.
a111: Logged on 2017-11-13 05:11 asciilifeform: so it is quite in keeping with this, for it to , say, pioneer 'robot works in vacuum, and moves without hindrance of air resistance, ReallyFast!' etc
mod6: im not sure about that
mod6: even /if/ doing some prime selection based on 'discarded bits' would net you anything what-so-ever, is it shown, presently that they even do this?
a111: Logged on 2017-11-07 16:36 asciilifeform: let's model the ideal prime-shitter. it would be an item that takes integer N , of whatever bitness, and produce the Nth prime ( or eggog if the Nth prime is bigger than the register bitness permitted. )
mod6: i must be missing something
mod6: when you say 'lost bottom bits' worth of entropy -- you save the discarded bits and use them later', are you talking about the highest order 2 digits, and the lowest 1, saving their original lower-order half and using that?
mod6: yeah, /me re-read and Mr. P. said they discard the higest 2 digits
mod6: so in your algo above, you're saying that you can work that magic with just the ~lowest~ discarded digit
mod6: sorry if this is obvious, wasn't to me.
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lobbes: Good news on archive front; archive.is d00d has agreed to add my ips to his cloudflare whitelist
☟︎☟︎ trinque: nice lobbes. this means you'll not be ratelimited? or what was the problem?
lobbes: trinque, yeah. Hopefully will be able to bypass the cloudflare js/cookie challenge wall
lobbes: Very accommodating d00d indeed. I invited him here, as well, but you know how that goes
☟︎ a111: Logged on 2017-11-12 23:39 mircea_popescu: does an ada lisp ~even exist~ as far as anyone knows ?
ben_vulpes made some headway through lisp in small pieces, mind appropriately blown
ben_vulpes: and in ancients, dusted off mpfhf benchmarker, finished the bit-banging of inputs, fired off a run late last week that is *still hashing*
☟︎☟︎ trinque: "bitch, this hash function is hard in *both* directions!"
a111: Logged on 2017-11-13 16:51 lobbes: Good news on archive front; archive.is d00d has agreed to add my ips to his cloudflare whitelist
a111: Logged on 2017-11-13 17:47 ben_vulpes: and in ancients, dusted off mpfhf benchmarker, finished the bit-banging of inputs, fired off a run late last week that is *still hashing*
a111: Logged on 2017-07-06 00:26 asciilifeform: S grows by 1 or 0 bits per cycle.
a111: Logged on 2017-08-15 22:51 asciilifeform: but instead flipping a single bit that gets xored with the result every time you read from the would-have-been-flipped reg.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: absolutely, have a benchmarking in place, will be implementing those two changes and recording improvements
phf:
http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-13#1737247 << it looks like a properly structured scheme evaluator, but it's ~explicitly~ lacking a native cons, which might be a very good exercise for whoever™ adding a static allocation space, adding mark-and-sweep, then all those To_Unbounded_String look like they can be simply search/replaced
☝︎☟︎ a111: Logged on 2017-11-13 18:13 asciilifeform: use Ada.Strings.Unbounded; << mno ben_vulpes this is ~specifically~ a Do Not Want
phf: well, right. i'm not sure what ada.strings is (i.e. is it a protocol or concrete datatype), so i can't really comment further
phf: there be dragons. i mean, if you're rewriting a parser in lisp, then you might as well have proper readtables, rather then hardcoded sexp hack
phf: i'm not sure how you're planning on doing that, unless you mean ada level pointers. you'd have to have objects with values that are offsets into your virtual heap
phf: right, i suspect that scheme.adb doesn't touch on it, because, again, no cons
phf: somewhat relatedly one handy thing i saw on CADR is named cons regions, i.e. explicit memory regions where you can cons and every allocation function having a *-in-region equivalent, like (cons-in-region x y region). i'm not sure if that's there, but you presumably can do some kind (with-cons-region (region ...) body) thing. naturally those regions can be saved (preserved referential integrity) or cleared, etc.
phf: the array instead of pointers approach gives you free save (in fact you can run it against a mmaped region and have a ghetto core file)
a111: Logged on 2017-07-13 15:42 asciilifeform: phf: contrary to appearances, asciilifeform is not fixated on ada lang per se, but rather on the style of thinking it leads the operator into.
phf: asciilifeform: i'm using "memory management" meaning of cons, not like lisp 101 take on it. they don't have cons meaning that there's no managed heap, there's no gc on that heap, and you can't allocate things into the heap and let it be managed by heap machinery. so they have "cons", but their ~actual~ cons is ada's "new ..."
a111: Logged on 2017-11-12 23:12 asciilifeform: i'm not fully convinced that a scripting lang ~needs~ a gc
phf: like in php model? allocate as much as you want and then "free" on termination?
phf: right, so that scheme.adb would benefit from a way to cons onto an arbitrary sized array, and then later someone can bolt a gc on top of that. can even implement it as an explicit function call rather than a threshold thing
phf: well, i'm thinking in terms of a TMSR MACHINE. scheme.adb linked against ffa linked against that com1 hack you posted some time ago :p
diana_coman: I can't seem to find in the logs any discussion re duplex construction/duplexing the sponge i.e. keccak's authors own proposal of using keccak for authenticated encryption; did anyone look into this?
☟︎ diana_coman: well, I have several papers on keccak and one of them is this "Duplexing the sponge: single-pass authenticated encryption and other applications"
diana_coman: however so far I focused on the reference paper on keccak itself (The Keccak reference version 3.0)
diana_coman: asciilifeform, I'm still looking/exploring potential solutions for client-server communication needs in eulora
diana_coman: asciilifeform, the second part is not so well defined/fixed yet
diana_coman: yes; but it's unclear if a simple bitfield xor is best option
diana_coman: I meant the choice of specific, concrete way to expand the original bitfield i.e. "reuse the otp"
diana_coman: heh, true that; I think first trouble there is that "never-reuse" choice means "no-knob" for client who pays however for the traffic; the whole point was precisely to let player choose their own level of compromise between cost and security (otps are generated on the server for good reason)
diana_coman: yees, but conceivably there might be one in the future; if no knob then no point as it were, entirely
a111: Logged on 2017-10-06 23:13 mircea_popescu: basically the scheme is, you rsa a random bitfield, then you expand that into as much otp as you want by doing recursively Fi = hash(bitfield + Fi-1). there's a limit on i, obviously, which can be set to 1.
diana_coman: at a first pass this duplex thing based on keccak seems to be a similar attempt really, hence my question if anyone looked at it more closely (I'm still trying to fully grasp it, not there yet)
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