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spyked: mircea_popescu, last line? also, no, haven't spoken to him. my idea was to just post this on blog and then ask him if he's willing to translate (refer log and so on). could also do it the other way around, not sure.
mircea_popescu: in your paste, last line, "These would be, dear local investors, a few specific"
mircea_popescu: and your idea is not good. first you talk to him in principle, then you do the script, then etc. cinema has a flow!
spyked still doesn't get first question.
mircea_popescu: spyked the romanian you pasted contains an english-language last line.
spyked: not only the last line.
mircea_popescu: oh it's dual. sorry, misread
spyked: anyway. I was going to give the translation a shot either way, to work out translation muscle.
mircea_popescu: a
spyked: but will drop teleschpenker a line and ask him if he's interested. (also, his rates, if any. from my pov the text is public and so on, I'm not exactly in the translation profession)
mircea_popescu: bwahahaha "The agency regarded as the world’s leader in breaking into adversaries’ computer networks failed to protect its own." what, is this from "the fake news site regarded (by itself) as the most influential item in the world, above even trilema, and staffed with people from the premiere (according to themselves) institution in the world" ?
asciilifeform: linked item looks rather familiar -- ancient usenet meme
mircea_popescu: next they're going to win the world series, these people.
asciilifeform: ( the cows thing )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform can dig it up ?
asciilifeform: could if dejanews were not nuked...
mircea_popescu: i alwsays suspected that was an original english (or french) item stoletranslated to ro as the practice was at the time
mircea_popescu: but never found original.
asciilifeform: could easily originated from ro
asciilifeform: (or any of the ancient fidonet countries)
mircea_popescu: could, but i was unspecifically suspicious when first saw in 90s
mircea_popescu: right.
spyked: ftr, I got the idea starting from elaineo's thing (via http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-01#1719047 )☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-10-01 04:06 mircea_popescu: "If pet food companies used the same business model as startups: Jim creates a dog food factory and gives away dog food for free. 450 million dogs line up for free dog food. Purina Dog Chow understands that non-paying dog food consumers are currency, and buys Jim’s factory for $42 per dog." << in other historical elaineo lulz.
mircea_popescu: a cool
mircea_popescu: !~seen elaineo
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: elaineo was last seen in #trilema 6 weeks, 0 days, 19 hours, 29 minutes, and 26 seconds ago: <elaineo> i do not
mircea_popescu: i... wonder what she's up to.
mircea_popescu: apparently this magic wand works so why noit shake it s`more :D
mircea_popescu: meanwhile @ bed, bath & beyond, http://78.media.tumblr.com/9521cb92ecba1e8f4d6b866538baba4e/tumblr_nk8isoTok81tmr1tpo1_400.gif
hanbot: spyked i lolled; also "use the remaining to produce milk for four cows." might be better stated as "use the remaining to produce four cows' worth of milk." or similar
hanbot: also Goodbye or Good Afternoon might work better on the Bye of the British, somehow the shortening sounds yankee
asciilifeform: oh hey it came back from the archives , mircea_popescu :
mircea_popescu: o!
asciilifeform: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/WXnXx/?raw=true
mircea_popescu: when is this dated ?
asciilifeform: my copy is aug of '91
asciilifeform: so no later.
mircea_popescu: this qualifies
mircea_popescu: it'd appear then it was a seedling that grew up in the manner of folk productions
asciilifeform: aha, likely
asciilifeform: 'homeric'
mircea_popescu: iirc it was 1993 in ro
mircea_popescu: T.A.O. operators must constantly renew their arsenal to stay abreast of changing software and hardware, examining every Windows update and new iPhone for vulnerabilities. “The nature of the business is to move with the technology,” a former T.A.O. hacker said.
mircea_popescu: if only ants could speak they'd be no less entertaining.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-13#1736975 << iirc mircea_popescu had a rhyme where 'a nagant's good to eat, dun ask why, bye'☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-11-13 00:16 hanbot: also Goodbye or Good Afternoon might work better on the Bye of the British, somehow the shortening sounds yankee
mircea_popescu: "For decades after its creation in 1952, the N.S.A. — No Such Agency, in the old joke —" << check it out alf, teh times is retconning it into "an old joke"
mircea_popescu: how fucking old is it, 2015 ?
asciilifeform: eisenhower
asciilifeform: believe or not.
mircea_popescu: i missed all that.
spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-13#1736972 <-- I did follow in read-only mode. (and unfortunately suspecting that I will continue to do so until upcoming vacation, when I can start doing ~actual productive work) the principle being, I either read daily, or logs pile up and I fall continuously out of sync. (almost happened last weekend!)☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-11-13 00:10 mircea_popescu: apparently this magic wand works so why noit shake it s`more :D
asciilifeform: ( was a somewhat different animal before pc comp . split b/w actual signal-gathering , bug-plantin', supplying idjit hagelin crypto boxen to ~every major country, etc )
mircea_popescu: spyked lotta people have that same sufferance.
spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-13#1736974 <-- oh, thanks! :D /me makes changes☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-11-13 00:14 hanbot: spyked i lolled; also "use the remaining to produce milk for four cows." might be better stated as "use the remaining to produce four cows' worth of milk." or similar
asciilifeform: iirc nsa was first publicly proclaimed by usg when marvin&mitchell escaped.
asciilifeform: err, martin & mitchell.
asciilifeform: 1960.
mircea_popescu: but i mean the "no such" specifically.
hanbot: asciilifeform from http://trilema.com/2017/the-world-has-changed/ : "A Nagant's always good to keep nearby, don't wonder why. Bye." no britishness detectored
asciilifeform: ( was blamed, hilariously , on buggery. e.g. https://archive.is/P6A3B )
mircea_popescu: i recall that part.
asciilifeform: hanbot: ah yea that was it
spyked: speaking of which, that last "bye" is also part of the orig. thing (i.e. http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-08#1722535 ). hopefully whoever does this also studies the original thing, the acting makes about half of it.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-10-08 12:23 spyked: http://www.220.ro/umor-romanesc/Horatiu-Malaele-2-Vaci/nUSRHOCJEP/ <-- ro. only, unfortunately; also buried under piles of shitads, but I salvaged the videofile.
asciilifeform: 'The NSA immediately began searching for other sexual deviants in its ranks, eventually purging 26 employees suspected of being security risks because of their alleged "perversions."' prettygreat.
mircea_popescu: reasoning by simile, the priviledge of dying empires.
asciilifeform: '"Were they living today," quips author Bamford, "[they] would probably defect all over again."' (2007)
asciilifeform: ( bamford is the original -- and for some decades the only -- 'nsa biographer' )
mircea_popescu: in other lulz : 19BY2XCgbDe6WtTVbTyzM9eR3LYr6VitWK, the btc address printed on some "shadow brokers blog", got almost enough money for a small boat.
mircea_popescu: if only they had the sense to be in the pizzeria line a few years ago!
asciilifeform: very small boat
mircea_popescu: https://archive.is/zNqEo << potential payout $19.81 (in 6 days). but unlike the http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-12#1736478 "steemit" has a "whitepaper". and besides, the new york times doesn't pretend it doesn't exist.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-11-12 16:12 mircea_popescu: !!withdraw 0.02 1GrvBXDT2XTnQ83yCsTZmqVtnZto223DkB
asciilifeform: dafuq's that
asciilifeform: ah it's the spamreddit with pay-per-click nonsense innit.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i dunno, some random dorks "reinventing" some web or the other.
mircea_popescu: EXCEPT THIS TIME ITS DIFFERENT
mircea_popescu: just... the http://trilema.com/2014/namecheap-goes-off-the-deep-end-anyone-know-a-decent-domain-registrar/#selection-283.0-299.347 has to be underscored a little. so programming student made on the basis of market application over 20 minutes SIX TIMES what the shadow brokers made by posting for the general web public.
mircea_popescu: sooner or later it gotta get through teh skulls that no, there's no "power in the multitudes".
asciilifeform: waitasec someone answered that one and made a sane registrar ?!
asciilifeform: or which programmingstudent
mircea_popescu: namesilo.com
mircea_popescu: quite satisfied
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-12#1736465 << this one☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-11-12 15:57 wer: https://imgur.com/a/cU6e7
asciilifeform: aaa you means specifically 'per 20 min' lol
mircea_popescu: no.
mircea_popescu: the shadow brokers wrote a post, with the shit they did. made them... 19.81
mircea_popescu: chick wrote on her tits. made her...
asciilifeform: 19.81 > 0.02
asciilifeform: and them titz are spent neh
mircea_popescu: !~ticker --market all
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 5977.49, vol: 37755.02977619 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 5919.8, vol: 174730.02151193 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 5900.0, vol: 14520.3837052 | Volume-weighted last average: 5928.12836478
mircea_popescu: !~calc 0.02 * 5928.12836478
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: 0.02 * 5928.12836478 = 118.5625672956
mircea_popescu: 118.56 > 19.81.
asciilifeform: aaaaa i misread the units
asciilifeform: 19.81 heathencoins wasnnit.
mircea_popescu: yeah
asciilifeform: tho wasn't there a 10btc earlier
mircea_popescu: that was for the lifetime\
mircea_popescu: dudes been working since what, april 2016 ?
mircea_popescu: conceivably SOME of that came other than "because we published in today's mp-wp clone-wannabe"
mircea_popescu: (funny shit, too, wasn't "medium" gonna be IT last year ? now "steemit" ? next month "wegiveup", the "platform for america" ?)
asciilifeform: they ought try a... say... fuckpigs.com
mircea_popescu: too much work, fucking.
asciilifeform: something that dun scream 'georgetown dc synthetic wine'
mircea_popescu: stare-blank.ly, maybe. it's clever, like.
asciilifeform: justshoot.me
mircea_popescu: o hey!
mircea_popescu: see, cuz then it could be cleverly JSM
asciilifeform: something, anything, with moar imagination than the gods gave a gnat
asciilifeform: jsm?
asciilifeform: jew-supervised masonry?
asciilifeform: japanese sado-masochism?
mircea_popescu: jsm. could come with a handy "pronounciation guide", which the sort of tard outfits listing "evanghelist" and "at large" on their "Careers" page always include in their god-awful "phonetic" pigdin i mean peeg-deen
mircea_popescu: !~google jism
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: Jism (2003 film) - Wikipedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jism_(2003_film)>; Jism - Wikipedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jism>; Urban Dictionary: jism: <https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php%3Fterm%3Djism>
asciilifeform: jism - different matter, lel
mircea_popescu: HOMOPHOBIC!
mircea_popescu: i mean... HOMOPHONIC
jhvh1: GET / HTTP/1.0
mircea_popescu: b, n right next to each other. geddit ? it's ANOTHER joke. wrapped in a poon.
jhvh1: OPTIONS / HTTP/1.0
jhvh1: OPTIONS / RTSP/1.0
asciilifeform: lolwaaat
jhvh1: HELP
jhvh1: GET /nice%20ports%2C/Tri%6Eity.txt%2ebak HTTP/1.0
jhvh1: default
jhvh1: OPTIONS sip:nm SIP/2.0
asciilifeform: ahem
mircea_popescu: this is prettygood...
mircea_popescu: shinohai yo!
ben_vulpes: lol well ratelimiting appears to work
asciilifeform: !~google GET /nice%20ports%2C/Tri%6Eity.txt%2ebak
jhvh1: asciilifeform: Re: More Service Detection notes: HTTP, FTP, DNS, etc: <http://seclists.org/nmap-dev/2006/q2/207>; AppleTV & nmap -sV - Black Hills Information Security: <https://www.blackhillsinfosec.com/appletv-nmap-sv/>; linux - Rsyslogd Log entry about attack created by unknown ...: <https://superuser.com/questions/1091351/rsyslogd-log-entry-about-attack-created-by-unknown-application>
asciilifeform: ahahahahaha
mircea_popescu: is this the bot being vulnerabilized ?
mats: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-31#1707146 << lolno, combat lifesaver training doesn't even do iv bag insertion anymore☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-08-31 03:12 asciilifeform: hey mats did usg schutzstaffel corps teachya to set legs ?
asciilifeform: mats: what do they teach ? how to humanely shoot ?
mats: too many recruits fucking it up and getting people recycled to start
mircea_popescu: mats cuz nobody wounded anymore, all work ~= adult diaper changes ?
shinohai: o hai mats
mats: also don't train to fight with bayonet anymore either
asciilifeform: nowai
asciilifeform: what are you expected to fight with if 0 ammo ?
mats: literally never seen one in a supply cage in my entire service
asciilifeform: ( can't well fight with the plastic toy stock )
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-17#1523354☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-08-17 18:07 mircea_popescu: "bring my my brown pants"
mats: buttstock p good at knocking a fucker out actually
mats: i passed out after getting hit in formation the one time
asciilifeform: do they have an aftermarket iron butt end or wat
mircea_popescu: what if the fucker isn't in formation tho
mircea_popescu seems to recall this is the problem the original english also encountered. "these colonists dun understand how fighting wars works!!"
mats: dunno what its made of.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform honestly, i believe there's 0 expectation on the part of us army that anyone under that flag will ever fight again. "you wanna shoot, join the police wtf! army is for "assisting local combatants"
asciilifeform: shinohai et al : http://seclists.org/nmap-dev/2006/q2/207
asciilifeform: ( i suspect you have open ports )
asciilifeform: as in, the 8000 or whatever that you apparently use to talk to the 'talker' , is unwittingly externally routed.
jhvh1: GET / HTTP/1.0
shinohai: ty asciilifeform
asciilifeform: scan yer own box, shinohai , and see which.
asciilifeform: ( this is a good habit for everyday life, when standing up a box , i will note )
mats: i've heard a number of stories with folks using pointy end of empty rifle to strike dwelling inhabitants during breach&clear, jokesters bringing hatchets, axes, machetes for MOUT, etc
mats: tomahawks are a perennial favorite
mats: https://www.adventuresurvivalequipment.com/vtac-lagana-tactical-tomahawk.html has an NSN for ez purchasing
asciilifeform: lol $ 120 axe
asciilifeform: with plastic shaft
mats: military-grade!
mircea_popescu: nuts
asciilifeform: living stereotype
asciilifeform: on top of this, 'out of stock !'
mircea_popescu: how come everything these people do is wankery "with a nsn"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if it has no 'supply code' , 10x the paperwork to buy
mircea_popescu: i think this is my point.
asciilifeform: ( incl. people. e.g. http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-27#1608864 )☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-01-27 23:36 asciilifeform: (i was once, and i shit thee not, 'research chemist'. not because knew any chemistry, but because there was -- i shit thee not -- no box to 'tick' in the form, for 'programmer')
asciilifeform: upstack lulz, https://justshoot.me >> 'MICHAEL LEWIS GLOVER | FINE ART PHOTOGRAPHY'
BingoBoingo back from ferrying a little miss trainwreck around.
BingoBoingo: !~step12
jhvh1: 12. Having had a spiritual awakening as the result of these steps, we tried to carry this message to alcoholics, and to practice these principles in all our affairs.
asciilifeform: say moar, BingoBoingo
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I've been ferrying a miss trainwreck around as favor to her sponsor. Very entertaining ordeal.
mircea_popescu: whoa earthquake
mircea_popescu: big enough to drop pots off shelves and shit
mircea_popescu: whoa. 7.0 in jaco!
BingoBoingo: Cool
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: What more is there to say, Spent good chunk of the day learning from the weapon of mass destruction in my passenger seat.
BingoBoingo: In other mine chaff: "What the fuck… that is the most messed up thing I ever read. I am not European just because I have white skin, you sicko. I do not relate to the experiences of white people, why would I identify with them? You probably have an inferiority complex and feel the need to pretend you’re white because you hate yourself."
BingoBoingo: And in Returning Kink Studies http://www.returnofkings.com/132612/why-i-ate-my-pet-pig-and-you-should-too
BingoBoingo: "Instead of fetching your slippers they’ll shit on them without remorse, as if keenly aware that ruining your property would be insulting to you. Instead of sleeping next to you, ready, and waiting in guard position, they will find a comfy spot squarely on your forehead, burrow down and screech to high heaven if you motion to remove them. Rinse and repeat they will, despite many deserved beatings. Brats."
mats: in more excerpts, https://forums.tesla.com/en_AU/node/89647
mats: "And we are pushing robots to the limit in terms of the speed that they can operate at, and asking our suppliers to make robots go way faster, and they are shocked because nobody has ever asked them that question. It's like if you can see the robot move, it's too slow. We should be caring about air friction like things moving so fast. You should need a strobe light to see it. And that's incredibly critical to CapEx
mats: efficiency."
mats: wat.
mats: (elon musk)
BingoBoingo: I thought needing a strobe light to see was something young boys learned escaping Kevin Spacey's basement
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-13#1737142 << i gotta bite this bait:☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-11-13 04:46 mats: "And we are pushing robots to the limit in terms of the speed that they can operate at, and asking our suppliers to make robots go way faster, and they are shocked because nobody has ever asked them that question. It's like if you can see the robot move, it's too slow. We should be caring about air friction like things moving so fast. You should need a strobe light to see it. And that's incredibly critical to CapEx
asciilifeform: the 'tecan evo' i worked with ( small industrial gantry bot ) could make fully 100x faster motions than vendor recommended . BUT -- 1) the default winblowz turdware ( that afaik every installation other than mine, used , lock stock etc ) would result eventually in smashed equipment, dead bearings, and possibly injured meat and ..
asciilifeform: 2) vibration
asciilifeform: just because thing can 'move faster than you can see' dun mean that it stops on a dime, or that it won't oscillate ( ever see rifle barrel on high speed camera? ) , ring like a bell, destroy whatever illusion of accuracy.
asciilifeform: this is an entire field, i cannot begin to sum it up here. but even in 19th c machinists understood 'fast cut xor accurate cut'
asciilifeform: as for 'critical to capex', vey rarely is robot the chokepoint in the line.
asciilifeform: if actually care about capex -- speed up, or better yet, eliminate -- the ~meat~ in your line.
BingoBoingo: Or parallelize lines
BingoBoingo: If Hu cares to
asciilifeform: 'tesla' of course is not a commercial op in the usual sense, but rather an elaborate fraud prop, similar to a konsoomer-flavoured lockheedmartin
asciilifeform: for milking usg
asciilifeform: so it is quite in keeping with this, for it to , say, pioneer 'robot works in vacuum, and moves without hindrance of air resistance, ReallyFast!' etc
ag3nt_zer0: pete_dushenski http://www.contravex.com/2017/11/12/bigs-vancouver-house-the-last-pied-a-terre-youll-ever-need/#identifier_6_19987 <<< thanks for the introduction to Ingels. My family is from a small town near Wright's Taliesin and a good old family friend of mine owned a classic FLW student-designed house that sat on 40 acres above Lake Wisconsin - I practically lived in that house for 3 seasons one year and there is really nothin
ag3nt_zer0: it was stylistically almost a copy of the first slide here: http://www.theadanews.com/news/local_news/a-visit-to-taliesin-frank-lloyd-wright-s-wisconsin-estate/article_eea7de5b-a7a0-5678-8035-01af370b94a3.html
ag3nt_zer0: Never been in a place that has equaled that in regards to my definition of a warm home... looking forward to learning more of Ingels
BingoBoingo: http://oglaf.com/allconsuminganus/
BingoBoingo: http://oglaf.com/godoflies/
mircea_popescu: aaand in other lulz, http://bitcoin3x.org/
mircea_popescu: in other news : it was established in teh minigame torture rooms that in point of fact 4096 bit keys contain only 4090 bits of entropy at the very most (minus whatever koch-gpg manages to shave off in other ways).
mircea_popescu: the reason is that (in a translation of what koch-gpg does into sanity) you take 2045 bits of rng for each possible prime, stick 11 in front and 1 in the tail and THAT is your 2048 bit prime candidate.
mircea_popescu: the reason you stick the 1 in the tail is to ensure odd numbers -- large even numbers are never prime. this much is a math-forced reduction.
mircea_popescu: the reason you stick the first 1 in the front is, evidently, to not end up with sub-4096 Ns
mircea_popescu: the reason you stick the 2nd 1 in front is, not evidently, also to not end up with sub-4096 Ns : if you had the exceptional case of your primes being each 2^2047 + 1 your N would then be 2^4094+2^2048+1, which is shorter than 4096 bits.
mircea_popescu: this is evidently a "loss" of entropy, in the sense that what is advertised (4096) differs from what is actually delivered (no more than 4090). i am of a good mind to start calling them 4090 bit keys tbh.
diana_coman: p and q are different so there won't be exactly this limit case there, but obv same 4095 bits n instead of 4096 for other low-enough odd numbers that might be primes
mircea_popescu: diana_coman never, because 11 * 11 = 1001.
mircea_popescu: and in other emergencies / what is yahoo good for ? https://www.yahoo.com/news/police-suspects-overwhelming-gas-shuts-down-interrogation-153853856.html
mircea_popescu: anyway, back to rsa discussion : there's about 6.5e612 primes in the interval 2^2045-1, 0 (by teh prime number theorem). every key needs a pair of these, and no number can EVER be repeated (if it is -- phuctor breaks both keys).
mircea_popescu: the chances of such repeating happening naturally'd be ~the inverse of ∏(1 - 2i/6.5e612), 1<i<n where n is the number of keys ever made. fortunately this evaluates to "never" on all extant iron.
mircea_popescu: this is not "true for very many keys like a billion trillion keys". this is true all the way up, by the time one's made 10^609 keys we're starting to get into five-nines assurance of unicity.
mircea_popescu: and in other lofty feelings, http://78.media.tumblr.com/7aa97651e7ccbfd76ef6c61392d3e734/tumblr_nmbdtsNoKR1u0yktbo1_1280.jpg
shinohai: Johnson, clear my schedule for the day.
shinohai: Go ahead and clear Tuesday too.
mircea_popescu: wait, your johnson makes your schedule ?
shinohai: of course, im the baron titsbare
mod6: haha
mod6: damn, nice loft
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> in other news : it was established in teh minigame torture rooms that in point of fact 4096 bit keys contain only 4090 bits of entropy at the very most (minus whatever koch-gpg manages to shave off in other ways). << uugh. every time we peel a layer back...
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-13#1737169 << iirc we had a thread , re this spectacular lul☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-11-13 11:40 mircea_popescu: the reason you stick the first 1 in the front is, evidently, to not end up with sub-4096 Ns
asciilifeform: ( picture extending this by induction : 'why not glue another 1 after that 1 , lest we end up with sub-4095...' )
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-13#1737171 << the only properly forced loss is of the bottom bit☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-11-13 11:43 mircea_popescu: this is evidently a "loss" of entropy, in the sense that what is advertised (4096) differs from what is actually delivered (no more than 4090). i am of a good mind to start calling them 4090 bit keys tbh.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-13#1737177 << nobody's ever running out of these☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-11-13 12:44 mircea_popescu: this is not "true for very many keys like a billion trillion keys". this is true all the way up, by the time one's made 10^609 keys we're starting to get into five-nines assurance of unicity.
asciilifeform: in other lulz, https://seekingalpha.com/article/4122890-tesla-approaches-terminal-decline
asciilifeform: 'Tesla’s CEO seems to be fully unaware of why industrial robots have limits, affecting actuators, speed and precision when handling heavy parts reliably and minimal downtime. Air friction is certainly no constraint, but moments, acceleration and deceleration. '
asciilifeform: ( in re yesterday's thread where http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-13#1737159 )☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-11-13 05:11 asciilifeform: so it is quite in keeping with this, for it to , say, pioneer 'robot works in vacuum, and moves without hindrance of air resistance, ReallyFast!' etc
asciilifeform: re the rsa key entropy, it is possible to trivially regain the lost bottom bits' worth of entropy -- you save the discarded bits and use them later as triggers for 'take nextprime(p) instead of p' and 'take nextprime(q) instead of q' . there may be other possible algos
asciilifeform: thinkaboutit.
asciilifeform: as i see it, this circle is satisfactorily squared nao.
mod6: im not sure about that
mod6: even /if/ doing some prime selection based on 'discarded bits' would net you anything what-so-ever, is it shown, presently that they even do this?
asciilifeform: mod6: noshit koch doesn't do this
asciilifeform: but you can trivially show that using the bottom bits in this way lets you actually get 4x as many possible primes
asciilifeform: nao ideally one would have a http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-07#1733382 i.e. 4096b of ~possible prime~ phase space☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-11-07 16:36 asciilifeform: let's model the ideal prime-shitter. it would be an item that takes integer N , of whatever bitness, and produce the Nth prime ( or eggog if the Nth prime is bigger than the register bitness permitted. )
asciilifeform: but nobody's gonna.
asciilifeform: ( it's a 3000yr unsolved megaproblem )
asciilifeform: tho here's a somewhat barbaric method :
asciilifeform: 1) calculate what a certain b is, such that there are likely to be 2^4096 primes below 2^b-1
asciilifeform: 2) generate a random k, k < 2^b
asciilifeform: 3) if composite(k) goto 2
asciilifeform: 4) if log2(k) > 4096 goto 2
asciilifeform: 5) you have a winner: a prime selected from 2^4096 possibles.
mod6: i must be missing something
asciilifeform: hm?
asciilifeform: actually yer not missing anything, above algo is an absurdity
asciilifeform: it will do exactly same thing as traditional one, but take 1000x as long.
mod6: when you say 'lost bottom bits' worth of entropy -- you save the discarded bits and use them later', are you talking about the highest order 2 digits, and the lowest 1, saving their original lower-order half and using that?
asciilifeform: lowest
asciilifeform: they are the only ones you MUST set to 1 (i.e. lose the entropy of)
asciilifeform: because you gotta have odd p and q
asciilifeform: the shaving of the ~highest~ bits is an idiot kochism on the other hand,
asciilifeform: there is no legitimate reason to do it.
mod6: yeah, /me re-read and Mr. P. said they discard the higest 2 digits
asciilifeform: aha, koch does
mod6: so in your algo above, you're saying that you can work that magic with just the ~lowest~ discarded digit
asciilifeform: ignore the 5step thing
asciilifeform: but yes you can use each of the 2 discarded bottom bits to double the primespace available
mod6: sorry if this is obvious, wasn't to me.
asciilifeform: ( 1 caveat is that this is a leaking operation , theoretically )
asciilifeform bbl, teatime
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trinque: surely the tickerbot has been switched to bitcoin crash? what do I make of this?
BingoBoingo: Pie? Caek? Lemoncaek?
BingoBoingo: If making pies, you have to make the best, and best means round.
lobbes: Good news on archive front; archive.is d00d has agreed to add my ips to his cloudflare whitelist
trinque: nice lobbes. this means you'll not be ratelimited? or what was the problem?
lobbes: trinque, yeah. Hopefully will be able to bypass the cloudflare js/cookie challenge wall
lobbes: Very accommodating d00d indeed. I invited him here, as well, but you know how that goes
ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-12#1736892 << some years ago, several people got together and worked through 'an incremental approach to compiler construction', one nick fitzgerald worked through it in ada: https://github.com/fitzgen/ada-scheme☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-11-12 23:39 mircea_popescu: does an ada lisp ~even exist~ as far as anyone knows ?
ben_vulpes made some headway through lisp in small pieces, mind appropriately blown
ben_vulpes: and in ancients, dusted off mpfhf benchmarker, finished the bit-banging of inputs, fired off a run late last week that is *still hashing*
trinque: "bitch, this hash function is hard in *both* directions!"
asciilifeform: use Ada.Strings.Unbounded; << mno ben_vulpes this is ~specifically~ a Do Not Want
asciilifeform: ( it uses implicit heaptronics for everything )
ben_vulpes: suresure
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-13#1737238 << this is very neat☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-11-13 16:51 lobbes: Good news on archive front; archive.is d00d has agreed to add my ips to his cloudflare whitelist
asciilifeform: lobbes: does this mean that you can mirror the whole zip collection nao ?
BingoBoingo: lobbes: So modest is becoming less modest?
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-13#1737245 << if you apply the bound we found in http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-06#1679483 thread, and the http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-15#1698509 trick, mphf a not-especially-slow hash☝︎☝︎☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-11-13 17:47 ben_vulpes: and in ancients, dusted off mpfhf benchmarker, finished the bit-banging of inputs, fired off a run late last week that is *still hashing*
a111: Logged on 2017-07-06 00:26 asciilifeform: S grows by 1 or 0 bits per cycle.
a111: Logged on 2017-08-15 22:51 asciilifeform: but instead flipping a single bit that gets xored with the result every time you read from the would-have-been-flipped reg.
asciilifeform: though asciilifeform will admit to still being at a loss re what the appeal is , after these...
asciilifeform: but if you want to make a fast mphftron, for experimentation, the recipe is 1) compute upper bound of the scratch space length and preallocate. NEVER realloc 2) NEVER flip-all-the-bits, flip a 'did-we-flip' bit instead, and the latter always get xor'd with whatever bit you read from the flippablespace.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: absolutely, have a benchmarking in place, will be implementing those two changes and recording improvements
asciilifeform: also you don't want to cons. at. all.
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-13#1737247 << it looks like a properly structured scheme evaluator, but it's ~explicitly~ lacking a native cons, which might be a very good exercise for whoever™ adding a static allocation space, adding mark-and-sweep, then all those To_Unbounded_String look like they can be simply search/replaced☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-11-13 18:13 asciilifeform: use Ada.Strings.Unbounded; << mno ben_vulpes this is ~specifically~ a Do Not Want
asciilifeform: phf: ideally i'd get rid of Ada.Strings , full stop
phf: well, right. i'm not sure what ada.strings is (i.e. is it a protocol or concrete datatype), so i can't really comment further
asciilifeform: and rewrite the parser per se in scheme ( have it be present as commented bytecode constant )
phf: there be dragons. i mean, if you're rewriting a parser in lisp, then you might as well have proper readtables, rather then hardcoded sexp hack
asciilifeform: and get rid of the pointers.
asciilifeform: ( there's no particular reason why you can't have a schemetron use strictly arrays and integer indices into same )
phf: i'm not sure how you're planning on doing that, unless you mean ada level pointers. you'd have to have objects with values that are offsets into your virtual heap
phf: ah, k
asciilifeform: indices. as seen in ffa.
asciilifeform: ( the operative difference is that indices are bounded , and you can reason meaningfully about'em )
phf: right, i suspect that scheme.adb doesn't touch on it, because, again, no cons
asciilifeform: https://github.com/fitzgen/ada-scheme/blob/master/scheme.adb#L134 << the faux cons. observe, they use pointers for the car/cdr
asciilifeform: whole thing reads like straight translation from c
phf: somewhat relatedly one handy thing i saw on CADR is named cons regions, i.e. explicit memory regions where you can cons and every allocation function having a *-in-region equivalent, like (cons-in-region x y region). i'm not sure if that's there, but you presumably can do some kind (with-cons-region (region ...) body) thing. naturally those regions can be saved (preserved referential integrity) or cleared, etc.
phf: the array instead of pointers approach gives you free save (in fact you can run it against a mmaped region and have a ghetto core file)
asciilifeform: ( see also , http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-13#1682511 )☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-07-13 15:42 asciilifeform: phf: contrary to appearances, asciilifeform is not fixated on ada lang per se, but rather on the style of thinking it leads the operator into.
asciilifeform: phf: you can run your entire heap of a mmap'd region , neh
asciilifeform: *off
phf: that's what i said.
asciilifeform: no particular reason why it needs custom 'regions' support
phf: it's unrelated
asciilifeform: ( though they are useful for cache locality )
phf: asciilifeform: i'm using "memory management" meaning of cons, not like lisp 101 take on it. they don't have cons meaning that there's no managed heap, there's no gc on that heap, and you can't allocate things into the heap and let it be managed by heap machinery. so they have "cons", but their ~actual~ cons is ada's "new ..."
asciilifeform: aa
asciilifeform: right
asciilifeform: ( there is however the http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-12#1736844 pov )☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-11-12 23:12 asciilifeform: i'm not fully convinced that a scripting lang ~needs~ a gc
phf: like in php model? allocate as much as you want and then "free" on termination?
asciilifeform: aha. free with death.
asciilifeform: and not 'as much as you want' but up to B bytes, with B given on commandline and stackframed on warmup.
phf: right, maxheap
asciilifeform: to put it in libctronic terms, the resulting linux binary will call setbrk() ~exactly once~ in its life
phf: right, so that scheme.adb would benefit from a way to cons onto an arbitrary sized array, and then later someone can bolt a gc on top of that. can even implement it as an explicit function call rather than a threshold thing
asciilifeform: imho it dun particularly make sense to have gc in this application
asciilifeform: but i already described why.
phf: well, i'm thinking in terms of a TMSR MACHINE. scheme.adb linked against ffa linked against that com1 hack you posted some time ago :p
asciilifeform: if 'machine' i'd rather have handwritten 32kb asm thing, than whatever 'best effort' gcc shits out.
asciilifeform: but sure.
asciilifeform: meanwhile, in world of ancient fpga, http://www.geekdot.com/category/hardware/transputer/avm-b1 .
diana_coman: I can't seem to find in the logs any discussion re duplex construction/duplexing the sponge i.e. keccak's authors own proposal of using keccak for authenticated encryption; did anyone look into this?
asciilifeform: diana_coman: iirc it was in the original paper
asciilifeform: keccak is immune to length-extension attack so it is pretty straightforward to convert it into a cipher
diana_coman: well, I have several papers on keccak and one of them is this "Duplexing the sponge: single-pass authenticated encryption and other applications"
diana_coman: however so far I focused on the reference paper on keccak itself (The Keccak reference version 3.0)
asciilifeform: diana_coman: what are you contemplating making ?
diana_coman: asciilifeform, I'm still looking/exploring potential solutions for client-server communication needs in eulora
asciilifeform: well yes but moar specifically
asciilifeform: iirc you were gonna use mircea_popescu's algo ( use rsa to send otp pages, then later use'em )
diana_coman: asciilifeform, the second part is not so well defined/fixed yet
asciilifeform: what's hard re using otp ? it's a xor
diana_coman: yes; but it's unclear if a simple bitfield xor is best option
asciilifeform: for so long as you're actually using otp (i.e. 1 byte of key used for exactly 1 byte of payload) it's the only logical option
diana_coman: I meant the choice of specific, concrete way to expand the original bitfield i.e. "reuse the otp"
asciilifeform: how atrociously slow does the 'never reuse' variant look ?
asciilifeform: if you use actual one-time -- you then dun have to reinvent symmetric ciphering
diana_coman: heh, true that; I think first trouble there is that "never-reuse" choice means "no-knob" for client who pays however for the traffic; the whole point was precisely to let player choose their own level of compromise between cost and security (otps are generated on the server for good reason)
asciilifeform: the boojum is that neither i nor anybody else knows of any rational way to quantify the compromise.
asciilifeform: ( we dun have a scientific approach to symmetric ciphering. )
diana_coman: yees, but conceivably there might be one in the future; if no knob then no point as it were, entirely
asciilifeform: tbh i dun expect to live to see such a thing
diana_coman: asciilifeform, re mp's algo, it was this: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-06#1722036☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-10-06 23:13 mircea_popescu: basically the scheme is, you rsa a random bitfield, then you expand that into as much otp as you want by doing recursively Fi = hash(bitfield + Fi-1). there's a limit on i, obviously, which can be set to 1.
asciilifeform: aaa
asciilifeform: yea that's hash-as-blockcipher
asciilifeform: makes sense then
diana_coman: at a first pass this duplex thing based on keccak seems to be a similar attempt really, hence my question if anyone looked at it more closely (I'm still trying to fully grasp it, not there yet)
asciilifeform: as i understand, ordinary keccak suffices for this scheme
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asciilifeform: ^ pheeature idea : why not have ticker autofire when the number moves >10% from last tick
asciilifeform: meanwhile, in very vintage lulz, https://archive.is/I5JC0 >> 'Secretary of State Baker said Washington would not object to military intervention in Romania by Soviets or the Warsaw Pact.'
asciilifeform: https://archive.is/Gr8Rf << in other agitprop.
asciilifeform: 'The Chinese miners were instructed to continue mining the coin, even at great financial loss, to support a pretension of value and use, minimally sustaining its life. When the price troughed, those who were in the know about the plan accumulated it in large quantities' etc.