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mircea_popescu: "Their mascot is the Viking."
TestingUnoDosTre: Skol white people!
mircea_popescu: http://imgur.com/0WMxIoU << me playing with hipsters.
TestingUnoDosTre: where do you find these people?
mircea_popescu: irk?
BingoBoingo: Classic
mircea_popescu: da fuck is with all the prissy wallflowers claiming "passion"
mircea_popescu: what fucking passion. moar like "too mental for herpes"
pankkake: it's annoyingly boring
Apocalyptic: "Inventor/Entrepreneur/Author 120 patents, 400+ products. Clever & Unique"
BingoBoingo: I dunno. I'd say mircea_popescu is passionate about ownership.
Apocalyptic: just wow
Apocalyptic: reminds me of the 12,000+ domain names guy
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 30 @ 0.05299998 = 1.59 BTC [+] {7}
mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic chick's worth some money, has this sort-of workout videos empire
BingoBoingo: It's amazing how many times the simple elastic band and the step stool can be patented
mircea_popescu: yeah, basically, she's the bubbliest 44yo on some us based shopping channel
mircea_popescu: billy mays with tits and botulin
mike_c: she's a regular on shark tank
mircea_popescu: "Her first patent was a plastic jewelry organizer for earrings which generated $500 million in sales."
pankkake: 4real?
mircea_popescu: yep
pankkake: I wasn't expecting much when I saw patents, but…
pankkake: this is why I don't take anyone seriously when they say that word
mircea_popescu: anyway, twitter is the best trolling venue imaginable. there's droves of hipsters, aging attention whores, all taking it supar seriously
mod6: haha, true
mircea_popescu: you can ruin someone's whole week in 140 characters.
mod6: + 1 picture
mircea_popescu: just ask them why they look so fat unexpectedly.
TestingUnoDosTre: ooooh I would pay so much to see MP on shark tank
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 26 @ 0.00498752 = 0.1297 BTC [-] {6}
mod6: twitter had a melt down yesterday because some girl had a toy plane in her snatch
mircea_popescu: TestingUnoDosTre is this the #bitcoin-assets based reality tv show ?
Apocalyptic: mod6, really ?
TestingUnoDosTre: I would like to purchase a 3d printing maching, but I want YOU to buy it!
mircea_popescu: mod6 because nobody could have imagined that the terrorists would use a plane as a dildo.
mod6: lol
mod6: someone said "new meaning to red-eye flight"
mircea_popescu: right in the pink eye!
mod6: :D
mod6 laughs
mod6: holy hashrate
mod6: ;;stats
gribble: I have 24 registered users with 31 registered hostmasks; 1 owner and 0 admins.
mod6: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 296068 | Current Difficulty: 6.119726089128147E9 | Next Difficulty At Block: 296351 | Next Difficulty In: 283 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 day, 14 hours, 9 minutes, and 26 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 6965027262.78 | Estimated Percent Change: 13.81273
TestingUnoDosTre: gribble quit lowballin the hashrate your whore
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: is oz dead ?
dub: the wizard?
benkay: passion?
benkay: only passion is passion for cashin'
BingoBoingo: The Wizard of .bait
mircea_popescu: i liked it for .d
mike_c: kakobrekla is probably bored and could implement those features in assbot. i liked <title> searches.
mircea_popescu: benkay she claims bs on tv, buncha overweight wwu students believe her start flailing arms and making wild claims.
mircea_popescu: mike_c i liked title too.
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 516.0, Best ask: 517.99, Bid-ask spread: 1.99000, Last trade: 518.0, 24 hour volume: 33065.44812123, 24 hour low: 453.16, 24 hour high: 528.75, 24 hour vwap: 491.745388954
TestingUnoDosTre: .d
mircea_popescu: so this is fucking weird. gribble says 24 hour high 528
mircea_popescu: meanwhile bitcoincharts disagrees : <gribble> Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 516.0, Best ask: 517.99, Bid-ask spread: 1.99000, Last trade: 518.0, 24 hour volume: 33065.44812123, 24 hour low: 453.16, 24 hour high: 528.75, 24 hour vwap: 491.745388954
mircea_popescu: http://www.bitcoincharts.com/charts/bitstampUSD#rg60ztgSzm1g10zm2g25zv
mircea_popescu: not even close to 520.
mircea_popescu: wtf is going on here ;/
mike_c: remember that thing about how you closed options because no one could be relied on for good data?
mircea_popescu: i do.
mike_c: hm, but if i am reading it right they are 8 hours old on their data?
Apocalyptic: well bitcoincharts is wrong
mike_c: http://www.bitcoincharts.com/charts/bitstampUSD#rg2ztgSzm1g10zm2g25zv
Apocalyptic: isn't it run by thermos or something anyway ?
mike_c: seems like data stopped some hours ago
mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic afaik gribble takes its numbers from it
benkay: off to an 'internet of things' aka networked and api-ified sensor get together. perhaps i'll find some new clients there tonight...
Apocalyptic: <mike_c> seems like data stopped some hours ago << good catch
benkay: the barons of course not needing any derpy web or mobile apps.
mircea_popescu: benkay we can't afford smartphones
TestingUnoDosTre: yah it peaked at 515 like 16 hours ago
TestingUnoDosTre: for bitcoincharts, thats 6 hours prior, in displayed data
BingoBoingo: Politics is weird: http://www.bnd.com/2014/04/15/3162876/carl-officer-forms-superpac-to.html
mircea_popescu: "Please log in to access this feature."
mircea_popescu: perhaps i'll pass.
BingoBoingo: Eh or dun use javascript
BingoBoingo: No need to tor
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 22 @ 0.06637855 = 1.4603 BTC [+] {5}
BingoBoingo: Basically longtime former democratic East StL mayor is now supporting the Repube candidate for governor.
mircea_popescu: lol
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.0669899 = 0.201 BTC [+]
TestingUnoDosTre: quite hilarious
mircea_popescu: "Well the answer is the IRS is extremely strict about property taxes and nobody in the United States is going to want to use Bitcoin after a 20% tax on it. That combined with Bitcoin rumors about China banning it means we won't see $525." << anon expert, april 15th around noon.
mircea_popescu: bitcoin goes blazing past 525, about twelve hours later.
mircea_popescu: after wallowing in the 400s for weeks.
mircea_popescu: the anon experts are a very valuable signal, turns out.
TestingUnoDosTre: and he had to make a SuperPac that was called Dems and Independents for Rauner, because he figured that those groups wouldnt want to contribute to a fund called "citizens for Rauner"
TestingUnoDosTre: pretty sure half the people who post on there are just trying to get bets to the other side
mircea_popescu: TestingUnoDosTre "citizens" is kinda republican codeword neh ?
TestingUnoDosTre: soon it will be comrade
BingoBoingo: http://www.eslarp.uiuc.edu/ibex/archive/yelvington/interviews/mayor_carl_officer.htm
BingoBoingo: Carl Officer has a rich history of creating the lulz
BingoBoingo: http://www.riverfronttimes.com/2005-03-23/news/the-resurrection-of-carl-officer/
TestingUnoDosTre: did you just google "carl officer nazi" or something?
TestingUnoDosTre: how do you find this shit
mircea_popescu: apparently everyone is better at finding shit people than you.
BingoBoingo: TestingUnoDosTre: I'm from the general region, just a more rural part
mircea_popescu: soo, google ad on bitstamp query :
mircea_popescu: Bitstamp - Cumpără Bitcoin CFD - demo gratis - Plus500.ro‎ Ad www.plus500.ro/Bitstamp‎ Vă riscaţi propriul capital. Plus500 has 1,340 followers on Google+
mircea_popescu: shitty scam paying like 5 bux a click
TestingUnoDosTre: i got a 404
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27050 @ 0.00097332 = 26.3283 BTC [+] {3}
TestingUnoDosTre: best youtube comment I've read in while "If this was reddit, it would be r/gore"
TestingUnoDosTre: and then there's this http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-27031180
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.05309998 = 0.1062 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.08299776 = 0.166 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: http://gawker.com/top-marine-says-pay-cuts-will-improve-discipline-neck-1561628479
ThickAsThieves: hey isnt that the shark tank lady youre fukn with mp?
ThickAsThieves: you own her?
ThickAsThieves: her three words basically read: I'm horny.
nubbins`: http://www.cbc.ca/newsblogs/yourcommunity/2014/04/racy-homoerotic-postage-stamps-set-for-release-in-finland.html
nubbins`: actually fucking awesome
ThickAsThieves: first bj on a stamp is two men
ThickAsThieves: funny stuff
ThickAsThieves: i linked yesterday with the caption: blowstamps
nubbins`: heh
Apocalyptic: apparently 22% of NY is on foodstamps
nubbins`: state or city
Apocalyptic: city
nubbins`: not bad
ThickAsThieves: that seems hard to believe
asciilifeform: 'His Marines could care less, he said, because they just "want to know into whose neck do we put a boot next."'
nubbins`: someone in payroll, no doubt
asciilifeform: there's a magic number, somewhere down there, where soldiers start selling ammo, other materiel, whole vehicles - to the enemy
BingoBoingo: Followed shortly by http://www.hqmc.marines.mil/portals/61/Docs/SMMC_letter_to_Marines1.pdf
asciilifeform: russia found what the number was (~6 mo. delay of pay, approx.)
asciilifeform: let's see what the american number is.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: To be fair this wasn't a Flag officer, but Flag enlisted
asciilifeform: in other lulz,
asciilifeform: http://www.examiner.com/article/martial-law-obama-confiscates-national-guard-helicopters-from-all-50-states
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.03050271 = 0.2135 BTC [-] {3}
dub: grab the turkey cletus we headin for the shelter
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.05348998 = 0.214 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 20 @ 0.03 = 0.6 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: soviet ministry of internal affairs had tanks, choppers.
asciilifeform: didn't make a lick of difference.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 11 @ 0.05372635 = 0.591 BTC [+] {5}
dub: how many times has the national guard deployed a gunship in the history of gunships
dub: my guess: 0 times
asciilifeform: point, if i understood, was to keep it 0.
BingoBoingo: dub: Well they probably didn't have to deploy "their" gunships, just their pilots
dub: #bitcoin-teaparty
BingoBoingo: Eh, if bad collapse happens the teaparty factions are just as likely to be oppresive and appropriate your crops as the gobmint factions
asciilifeform: where does 'good collapse' live?
asciilifeform: did i miss something?
BingoBoingo: Well, USSR vs. Somalia
BingoBoingo: This goes to the Orlov, the USSR was set up be not collapse as painfully as the thing could have otherwise.
asciilifeform: plenty of ways to lose a head in 'good' collapse.
BingoBoingo: Sure, just less than in bad collapse
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves well i was supposed to describe ME not her.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 33 @ 0.0049404 = 0.163 BTC [-]
nubbins`: so i went out to have a drink earlier, stumbled across a poster we printed last november, still stuck to a pole
nubbins`: paper is bleached almost white, inks are immaculate
mike_c: you should use better paper
nubbins`: no i shouldn't
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.05399 = 0.108 BTC [+] {2}
asciilifeform: worse ink?
nubbins`: heh!
nubbins`: better locations, obv
TestingUnoDosTre: what did the poster read
nubbins`: http://imgur.com/3EMyqp9
asciilifeform: for a 'deserving' client, perhaps print with ink which fades out to reveal 'secret' message.
nubbins`: oo, fun. red ink on red paper
mircea_popescu: nubbins` i had a self-adhesive print last ~2 years on a facade.
nubbins`: for reference, that paper was this color when it went up: http://i.imgur.com/yyFnfS1.jpg
mircea_popescu: i'd guess easily 1mn pairs of eyeballs. total cost ? like $5
nubbins`: not bad
nubbins`: guerrilla advertising is best advertising
TestingUnoDosTre: Is pink eye a bar or something?
TestingUnoDosTre: nvm - I see ship pub
nubbins`: it's my printing company
TestingUnoDosTre: ooo
TestingUnoDosTre: what do you print them with?
nubbins`: silkscreen on kraft paper
nubbins`: we use cotton rag paper for good posters. these are cheapies for taping to poles.
TestingUnoDosTre: science be damned, that's an interesting process
nubbins`: very old
nubbins`: chinese were doing it 1000 years ago
TestingUnoDosTre: Oh it appears so. My friend's sister has an old school platten printing machine that looks like it's from the 19th century
TestingUnoDosTre: don't know if that's what the actual name for the process is
asciilifeform: when the famous Kamkin bookstore (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victor_Kamkin_Bookstore) imploded, they sold things by the pound, and opened up all of the 'backstage' rooms to customers. in one, i found... a '40s vintage printing press.
asciilifeform: (for catalogues? propaganda? who knew.)
nubbins`: lovely!
nubbins`: if you'll excuse me, my wife needs to be bothered
mircea_popescu: samizdat fo sho
mircea_popescu: !up Lee-
assbot: Voicing Lee- for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: !up frz78
assbot: Voicing frz78 for 30 minutes.
asciilifeform: kamkin was known as a place where intelligence goons from both sides shopped.
asciilifeform: as well as maths, physics people.
asciilifeform: (plenty of 'mir publishing co.' maths in english, too)
Lee-: nifty
TestingUnoDosTre: asciilifeform - there was a book burning or what the hell happened?
asciilifeform: TestingUnoDosTre: in the end, the creditors confiscated the shelves, and there were gigantic mountains of book
asciilifeform: that one could climb and dig (literally) down in
asciilifeform: most of the good stuff was picked off
TestingUnoDosTre: ahhh
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 514.0, Best ask: 517.0, Bid-ask spread: 3.00000, Last trade: 517.26, 24 hour volume: 33656.62801655, 24 hour low: 453.16, 24 hour high: 528.75, 24 hour vwap: 492.41993782
asciilifeform: i found my first book on 'forth' there
TestingUnoDosTre: forth?
asciilifeform: forth.
asciilifeform: ;;google forth
gribble: Forth (programming language) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forth_(programming_language)>; Forth - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary: <http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/forth>; Forth Interest Group Home Page: <http://www.forth.org/>
asciilifeform: !up TomServo
assbot: Voicing TomServo for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform a fitting punishment for they who refused to acknowledge doom.
TomServo: Hello all!
mircea_popescu: hello TomServo
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: kamkin lived by the 'sovietologists' of washington, and - died by them.
TomServo: I'm sure it's been done to death, but could someone point me to instructions on getting into assbots wot?
mircea_popescu: more's the point... to this day there are people running around claiming they're... "journalists"
mircea_popescu: yet the newspaper died, as did the book.
mircea_popescu: TomServo actually it's not done at all.
mircea_popescu: i suppose each of the 29 will publish their own personal criteria, if/when they get around to it
mircea_popescu: maybe we'll hold a yearly vote at the conference to add more to the l1 list
asciilifeform: complicated, to say 'book is dead.' books of horoscopes and dream divinations still printed by the zillion, 'soviet encyclopaedia of physics' - not.
TomServo: Ah, so even being in wot I still need to ask for voice?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes, well, if it were unequivocally clear, like, mastodon is dead, it would be easy
mircea_popescu: ;;gettrust assbot TomServo
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask TomServo!sewandsew@light1.net. Trust relationship from user assbot to user TomServo: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=TomServo | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=TomServo | Rated since: never
mircea_popescu: once the Level 2: reads > 0 you can pm assbot !up and it'll voice you
asciilifeform: is there a vast legion of spammers, crying to get on the list?
BingoBoingo: TomServo: I'm a forgetful person, what sort of stuff do you do?
TestingUnoDosTre: if you sex slave yourself for bitcoin
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform prolly not yet.
asciilifeform: other than mr. whizz
TestingUnoDosTre: just make sure it's from a person on the Wot, then they'll give you a rate
TomServo: BingoBoingo: I'm a lowly network engineer, looking for my niche.
BingoBoingo: Ah
asciilifeform: TomServo: what made you take an interest in this channel ?
BingoBoingo: !up TomServo
assbot: Voice for TomServo extended to 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BlSYRqoCYAA9PpG.jpg
TomServo: asciilifeform: I've actually been here quite a while (2+ years I'd guess). Hard for me find conversation as stimulating as what happens here.
mircea_popescu: (yes, that'd donald rumsfeld)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: lol!
asciilifeform: next news: 'rumsfeld fined, estate auctioned, for inaccurate tax filings'
mircea_popescu: tis true, he's been here forever. aite.
mircea_popescu: ;;rate TomServo 1 New blood. ☟︎
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user TomServo has been recorded.
mike_c: amen donald.
TestingUnoDosTre: I hope they simplifiy the tax code and fuck mr rumsfeld
TestingUnoDosTre: just single him out in a nation of hundreds of millions
TomServo: mircea_popescu: cheers
joecool: not sure how that works if the tax accounting firm fucks it up badly, does fed go after them or the individual?
TestingUnoDosTre: that's a really good question
asciilifeform: individual. but some accountants provide a kind of 'insurance'
mike_c: the individual is responsible.
joecool: mike_c: for the amounts paid, but can't be held negligent if accountant fucks up
mircea_popescu: joecool pretty much, yes.
joecool: i'm assuming tax accountants carry insurance for this sort of thing
mircea_popescu: basically, as a us citizen you're better off if your accountant runs off with your money than if your accountant misfiles your taxes.
mircea_popescu: for the same sum
mike_c: what does 'held negligent' mean? you have to pay the penalties..
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 200 @ 0.0075 = 1.5 BTC [+]
joecool: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/01/10/steve-harvey-20-million-tax-lien-ruined-marriage_n_4572436.html < had to look it up, someone mentioned this to me in passing a month or two ago
joecool: accountant pocketed his tax payments, didn't file for 7 years, then kicked the bucket, no idea about the truth of it all
TestingUnoDosTre: Huff post is like shit smeared all over the computer screen
joecool: sry couldn't find another source
mircea_popescu: actually a VERY similar thing happened here last year. i arrive at my accountant's office, usually a quiet place with maybe 1-2 other people present, cause the gal is nuts abour scheduling, to find it in complete turmoil, bunches of evidently panicked people.
mircea_popescu: turns out, an accountant handling the accounts of ~200 small businesses had been found by the tax authority to not have filed anything for months
mircea_popescu: so they re-allocated all teh customers to the shortlist of competent accountants all around town
mircea_popescu: 10 here, 15 there, etc.
joecool: well i mean if you actually look at the returns, the accountant is signing off to say they believe the return to be true to the best of their knowledge under penalty of perjury
mircea_popescu: sure
joecool: the individual signs off to say they are reporting their income and such to the best of their knowledge
mircea_popescu: the owner is still responsible tho.
mircea_popescu: davout didn't wanna let me sell x.eur short, i could have been rich.
mircea_popescu: -er/
joecool: for the tax liability yes, fines (not interest) though i believe would get waived
mircea_popescu: joecool depends really.
joecool: i'm in this situation from the last company i started, initial accountant gave us horrible advice for 2012 since we formed the LLC in november and turned *very* small revenue, said it would be under limit to file
mircea_popescu: kinda stupid, why not use the year to create a tax liability
joecool: hired a better firm this year, they went over it and warned us we had to file, paid the filing fees from last year, and warned us to expect a letter from the IRS asking for damages
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.52394834 BTC [+]
joecool: there's a process to go through to appeal a fine in this sort of situation
joecool: current accountants will handle it
mircea_popescu: !up bloctoc
assbot: Voicing bloctoc for 30 minutes.
bloctoc: I don't know what that means
BingoBoingo: ;;gettrust assbot bloctoc
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user bloctoc: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=bloctoc | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=bloctoc | Rated since: Tue Oct 29 20:18:14 2013
BingoBoingo: bloctoc: Auth with gribble and pm assbot !up
bloctoc: do I get a prize or something?
mircea_popescu: well you can speak if you do
BingoBoingo: bloctoc: You get voice?
BingoBoingo: !up the20year1
assbot: Voicing the20year1 for 30 minutes.
the20year1: yay
the20year1: spent like 30m today trying to figure out how to authenticate via gpg and couldn't do it
BingoBoingo: It indeed takes time the first time
the20year1: gribble keeps giving me an error when i do the pastebin thing
BingoBoingo: I always just eauth and do the decrypt thing
mircea_popescu: ^
the20year1: does that work for original registration?
the20year1: That's what i did, and it seemed like I still needed to register
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 19 @ 0.08299776 = 1.577 BTC [-]
Apocalyptic: the20year1, have you submitted the keys to GPG servers ?
Apocalyptic: yes you have to auth the first time
Apocalyptic: *reg
the20year1: yeah , i did
Apocalyptic: <the20year1> gribble keeps giving me an error when i do the pastebin thing // what's the error then ?
bloctoc: seems like the price of bitcoin went up quite a bit with this new voice policy
BingoBoingo: bloctoc: Well, it is more drama
BingoBoingo: Drama !up Bitcoin !up
Apocalyptic: I haven't said this, but I think the new policy is a good idea, ty mircea
mike_c: (and kakobrekla)
Apocalyptic: indeed, he did the hard work
the20year1: on home laptop, not office pc
bloctoc: whoever set it up thanks. Have my prize.
Apocalyptic: woot, dat NMC price
Apocalyptic: haven't seen the last pump
bloctoc: does that mean it's a secular thing? I've seen some NMC services.
bloctoc: for the record I don't know what secular means in this context.
mircea_popescu: bloctoc bashed :D
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10950 @ 0.00097271 = 10.6512 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: kako did the hard work which is why i should be getting all the praise
Apocalyptic: that's how it works in business
mircea_popescu: indeed
Apocalyptic: managers get the credit
mike_c: plus hard work is its own reward
mircea_popescu: indeed.
mircea_popescu: nighty all.
Apocalyptic: btw pankkake, are you reading l'odieux connard ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22200 @ 0.00097271 = 21.5942 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2899 @ 0.00097198 = 2.8178 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.06698979 = 0.134 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15501 @ 0.0009699 = 15.0344 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.02899999 = 0.174 BTC [-] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.054 = 0.108 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.053999 = 0.216 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2800 @ 0.00097357 = 2.726 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: .d
ozbot: 6.120 billion | Next Diff in 252 blocks | Estimated Change: 13.7964% in 1d 11h 32m 13s
BingoBoingo: The Wizard lives
Duffer1: !up ukyo
assbot: Voicing ukyo for 30 minutes.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.52565556 = 5.2566 BTC [+] {6}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18475 @ 0.00097395 = 17.9937 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: !up numerisTrade
assbot: Voicing numerisTrade for 30 minutes.
numerisTrade: thanks
numerisTrade: hi all, hi BingoBoingo
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.52999999 = 2.65 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: numerisTrade: Welcome, what's up?
BingoBoingo: ;;gettrust assbot numerisTrade
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user numerisTrade: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=numerisTrade | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=numerisTrade | Rated since: Thu Apr 3 07:04:18 2014
numerisTrade: will authenticate in a minute
BingoBoingo: cool
BingoBoingo: numerisTrade: What sort of stuff do you do?
numerisTrade: gradually paving my way to bitcoin finance, currently starting with secured loans / repo transactions on small scale
numerisTrade: you might have a look at http://numeristrade.blogspot.com/p/products.html
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.0050905 = 0.5091 BTC [+] {4}
numerisTrade: any feedback would be very much appreciated
BingoBoingo: I'm a bit tipsy, but I'll take a look at it.
BingoBoingo: Wait TheRock is a thing? I made an account there once hoping to dump freexrp without a colonoscopy, but... seemed sketch
numerisTrade: well, I don't trust them with a lot of money, but everything seemed ok
numerisTrade: I had some technical issues once, the support reacted quickly
BingoBoingo: Well I guess since the second life thing they trade has been around, they probably function. It's just like they added support for crypto currencies while neglecting any sort of outreach. Also their limits seemed kind of crap when I tried them.
BingoBoingo: !up jordandotdev
assbot: Voicing jordandotdev for 30 minutes.
BingoBoingo: !up Ukyo
assbot: Voicing Ukyo for 30 minutes.
BingoBoingo: !up numerisTrade
assbot: Voicing numerisTrade for 30 minutes.
numerisTrade: thanks again
BingoBoingo: numerisTrade: You're welcome. Since the channel's quiet I'm trying to think about ways to give you level 2 with Assbot by trusting you that involve risk incurred on your part.
BingoBoingo: So you can self up
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8700 @ 0.00097158 = 8.4527 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: numerisTrade: You lend right?
numerisTrade: trying to, yes
fluffypony stretches
BingoBoingo: numerisTrade: Pick a baseball game happening tomorrow
fluffypony: BingoBoingo: borrowing when tipsy...? :-P
BingoBoingo: fluffypony: No.
numerisTrade: I don't know anything about baseball
numerisTrade: I know only how baseball bat looks like
fluffypony: numerisTrade: that makes two of us
fluffypony: my knowledge of baseball comes from two weeks in St. Louis
BingoBoingo: numerisTrade: Well, since lending is about pricing risk I was going to suppose a challenge where you might price risk for trust
BingoBoingo: fluffypony: The best place to get baseball knowledge
fluffypony: where all I had hammered into me was "Cardinals good, Pujols good"
fluffypony: "everyone else bad"
BingoBoingo: No, Pujols is washed up and Hollywood nao
fluffypony: BingoBoingo: yeah this was in early 2010
BingoBoingo: It's all about Yadier Molina now
BingoBoingo: I was In front of a classroom when Prince Albert betrayed us.
numerisTrade: maybe some other example?
BingoBoingo: A number of students were shaken the rest of the morning after I broke the news
BingoBoingo: numerisTrade: Well I was going to suppose something along the lines of:
BingoBoingo: 1) You pick an event and outcome
BingoBoingo: 2) I pick a price for the outcome
BingoBoingo: 3) maybe we haggle a bit
BingoBoingo: 4) we agree to an unescrowed bet.
BingoBoingo: 5) If you win the bet you get coins and lended trust, or you lose and pay for trust for being a person of word in this matter
numerisTrade: ok, would you agree if we conducted this later on today? e.g. 2 p.m. GMT?
BingoBoingo: numerisTrade: I may not be awake then, but if I am I would still be amenable.
BingoBoingo: Since this is a kind of novel thing it may be best if we keep the stakes low at 0.01 BTC simply because unescrowed bets have such a poor history in BTC so far thanks to MNW
numerisTrade: I agree, as you might have noticed, I'm still quite small
numerisTrade: MNW?
BingoBoingo: numerisTrade: We are all small, this space is still small. I mean +m only happened Friday.
numerisTrade: I noticed :)
BingoBoingo: MNW was an episode in BTC history worth researching.
BingoBoingo: I'd also be open to considering sports where you might have the knowledge advantage provided you can specify a decent resolution source.
numerisTrade: ok, I'll prepare something. If you aren't on the channel then, I'll leave you a message, I'll be on the channel up till 21:00 GMT, or we'll meet tomorrow same time as today
fluffypony: MNW = Matthew N. Wright
fluffypony: a blight on the Bitcoin landscape
HeySteve: another scammer from old times?
fluffypony: HeySteve: not entirely
fluffypony: he had a bet that he lost
numerisTrade: fluffypony, yeah, googled him
fluffypony: and he didn't pay
joecool: Matthew N. Wright is a former Republican member of the Pennsylvania House of Representatives.
BingoBoingo: numerisTrade: My waking hours as well as my online hours can be rather unpredictable even for myself. If you can find and event and we can agree to it before it plays I'd be amenable.
HeySteve: ah that's bad form, a man honours his debts
fluffypony: joecool: lol
BingoBoingo: "ah that's bad form, a man honours his debts" and "assbot removes voice from Ukyo" Fortuitous? Maybe I am just drunk and dense?
fluffypony: lol
numerisTrade: ok, thanks
BingoBoingo: fluffypony: What are your thoughts on this unescrowed bet as an entante that might establish a measure of trust?
fluffypony: BingoBoingo: I like the idea
fluffypony: and the risk to both parties is minimal
BingoBoingo: fluffypony: Well, what if the newcoming party is especially new?
numerisTrade: :)
fluffypony: well we're talking about establishing a baseline
fluffypony: and the WOT will link the new party back to you
fluffypony: and the amount will surely be mentioned in the rating
BingoBoingo: fluffypony: Sure
fluffypony: which means the educated user won't trust way beyond that
fluffypony: until the baseline has moved
fluffypony: which happens over time
BingoBoingo: But on the matter of +m being a thing, isn't the person with L1 trust offering a chance at L2 trust taking a substantial risk
BingoBoingo: !up numerisTrade
assbot: Voicing numerisTrade for 30 minutes.
fluffypony: it depends
fluffypony: if the newcomer ends up being a scammer, for instance
fluffypony: will those scammed come back to you and say "I trusted X because you trusted them!"
fluffypony: or will they, BEFORE trading/borrowing/whatevering, come to you and say "why do you trust X?"
BingoBoingo: fluffypony: I mean people can /ignore, but if the person who socially engineers trust for the purpose of spamming gets to self up, the only recourse is for the L1 to remove their trust or themselves be dropped
fluffypony: it seems to me that it should be the latter, but all too often it's the former
fluffypony: BingoBoingo: agreed
BingoBoingo: fluffypony: Well coming and asking is the ony way a WoT works.
fluffypony: or even changing their rating to negative based on their observation of it
HeySteve: hey fluffypony, that reminds me, would you rate me for that deal we did?
fluffypony: HeySteve: sure
HeySteve: thanks you trusted me for about $500, I will return the favour
fluffypony: ;;rate HeySteve 2 ~$500 ZAR interbank (EFT) transfer for my BTC/LTC, smooth like pineapple juice
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7350 @ 0.00097414 = 7.1599 BTC [+] {2}
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 2 for user HeySteve has been recorded.
HeySteve: heh pineapple juice
BingoBoingo: ;;rate numerisTrade 1 Trust offered on credit
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user numerisTrade has been recorded.
numerisTrade: thank you!
numerisTrade: you are very generous
BingoBoingo: numerisTrade: Well I plan to remove/expire this loaned trust on Thursday unless we can find something to risk and establish a longer term lending of trust over.
numerisTrade: sure
fluffypony: what's interesting about WoT vs. something like BTCJam's profiles is that WoT makes the long-con substantially more difficult
BingoBoingo: numerisTrade: For the time in the interim I offer you the ability to self up so that you can answer questions on your lending venture and establish value with others or undertake some sort of risk to honor.
fluffypony: on BTCJam I see a LOT of people with "reputation" loans
fluffypony: they lend 5-10 times, various amounts
fluffypony: and because they've paid back they're considered trustworthy
fluffypony: but there's literally no other reason to trust them than they have a couple of months of not screwing anyone over
BingoBoingo: Reputation loans have always been a problem.
fluffypony nods
numerisTrade: ;;ident
gribble: Nick 'numerisTrade', with hostmask 'numerisTrade!57ccf3c2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.', is identified as user 'numerisTrade', with GPG key id 3B5A64169734D48F, key fingerprint 8D77A1296B71AD54AD09F2FD3B5A64169734D48F, and bitcoin address None
BingoBoingo: Tradefortress was a horrible social engineering problem
fluffypony: yeah that was a mess
HeySteve: WoT is a deep system, very interesting
BingoBoingo: HeySteve: Honestly the biggest plus of bitcoin is that it compels WoT
HeySteve: yeah I'd say any kind of decentralised commerce needs such a system
fluffypony: I wonder if guys like that hoard their stash or end up living the high life for a few months before being broke?
BingoBoingo: fluffypony: Like MNW? In his case there is no way to know that he ever had a stash.
fluffypony: BingoBoingo: I was thinking more like TF
BingoBoingo: http://techcrunch.com/2014/04/15/weev-talks-about-life-in-prison-and-his-plans-to-open-a-hedge-fund-tro-llc/
ozbot: Weev Talks About Life In Prison And His Plans To Open A Hedge Fund, TRO LLC | TechCrunch
BingoBoingo: fluffypony: Still similar.
BingoBoingo: "Weev: One can abandon their citizenship in a tyranny for more reasonable shores. That’s about it. “Three Felonies a Day” is a great book explaining the commonplace reality of capricious indictments."
BingoBoingo: "They will not indict you because you are a bad operator. They will indict you because you are there. I overturned my verdict only because I am an asshole. "
BingoBoingo: !up eqx
assbot: Voicing eqx for 30 minutes.
BingoBoingo: fluffypony: How's the wife?
BingoBoingo: Tell anyone new to fuck themselves recently?
fluffypony: BingoBoingo: good, she's gone to gym already
fluffypony: hah
fluffypony: not since the last time someone insulted her
fluffypony: :-P
BingoBoingo: Well, this stuff has to be in the logs for future reference. I mean how old was the Trilema when she took the pic?
fluffypony: how old was the trilema?
fluffypony: *blank*
BingoBoingo: fluffypony: You remember the title better than I... ;;google title
fluffypony: aaah I see what you mean
fluffypony: from a year ago
BingoBoingo: Yeah
fluffypony: although I didn't know of its existence till it was pointed out
BingoBoingo: Exactly.
BingoBoingo: Finding the important stuff takes time.
fluffypony: :-P
fluffypony: maybe mircea should email people he blogs about so that they know
fluffypony: or there could be an alert service
fluffypony: :-p
fluffypony: "You've been Trilema'd!"
BingoBoingo: You'd be surprised how quickly Mircea found my blog once I'd opened it and it had been months since I had been a regular in -assets
BingoBoingo: fluffypony: It took mere hours http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2013/09/24/hope-you-had-a-happy-blood-day/#comment-17
fluffypony: BingoBoingo: maybe he has a Google alert notification for his name?
BingoBoingo: fluffypony: He dun google
fluffypony: DuckDuckGo, then
joecool: BingoBoingo: your site down?
BingoBoingo: joecool: No, just... not optimally fast
fluffypony: BingoBoingo: my nick / name wasn't mentioned on the post, except in the screenshot of the thread, so discovery would've been tricky
joecool: BingoBoingo: only been waiting like 30s for it to load
joecool: and counting :-\
BingoBoingo: joecool: That is concerning...
fluffypony: joecool: it loaded quickly for me?
BingoBoingo: It has been slow this past hour or so on the control panel, but the web side was responsive.
fluffypony: oh now it isn't
fluffypony: she's broken BingoBoingo :(
BingoBoingo fills out a support ticket and awaits bitcoin prices that can support a 1U server rack from endowment funds.
jurov: fluffypony: you know about rss ?
fluffypony: jurov: yes, but I didn't have Trilema in my feeds a year ago
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 200 @ 0.0051 = 1.02 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: Support ticket filed.
BingoBoingo: Incense lit.
BingoBoingo: May BTC appreciate enough in the next year that one of these and colo be covered by the endowment http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816101836
BingoBoingo: Also blog seems very responsive nao that ticket was filed
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26414 @ 0.00097416 = 25.7315 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: Sleep mode
bounce: america not democratic, say princeton boffins: https://www.commondreams.org/view/2014/04/14
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22750 @ 0.00097418 = 22.1626 BTC [+] {2}
dignork: bounce: good read on US democracy, probably was menation here before: http://unqualified-reservations.blogspot.co.uk/2009/01/gentle-introduction-to-unqualified.html
dignork: *mentioned
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.0286 = 0.1144 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 1300 @ 0.00016026 = 0.2083 BTC [-] {11}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 1200 @ 0.00010118 = 0.1214 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 91 @ 0.0051 = 0.4641 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30950 @ 0.00097153 = 30.0689 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17600 @ 0.0009761 = 17.1794 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 5 @ 0.14 = 0.7 BTC
mircea_popescu: hey how the hell is rithm voiced! scam!
pankkake: John K back again
mircea_popescu: 4th time ?
mircea_popescu: okay so just in case... anyone got a current contact for weev ?
dub: visit him in jail with a message stowed in your anus
fluffypony: he's out of jail atm?
dub: oh, then write it on a hotdog and throw it up the hallway that was his ass
mircea_popescu: dub scamconviction got vacated yo
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.05250221 = 0.105 BTC [-]
fluffypony: http://online.wsj.com/news/article_email/SB10001424052702303663604579504691512965308-lMyQjAxMTA0MDEwNTExNDUyWj
ozbot: Mt. Gox Files for Liquidation - WSJ.com
mircea_popescu: http://www.cso.com.au/article/534795/_pgp_encryption_has_had_stay-powering_does_it_meet_today_enterprise_demands_/
ozbot: 'PGP' encryption has had stay-powering but does it meet today's enterprise demands? - CSO | The Reso
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ^ :D
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 173 @ 0.00511054 = 0.8841 BTC [-] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.51000242 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.51000148 = 1.53 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.02862602 = 0.2863 BTC [-] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.05391665 = 0.3235 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.51 = 2.04 BTC [-]
pankkake: http://www.coindesk.com/inside-offshore-vault-gold-trades-bitcoin/
pankkake: didn't even know BullionRock existed
mircea_popescu: pankkake earlier this small island in the channel said it won't impose regulations
mircea_popescu: i dunno how far i'd trust them to stick with it, but so far it's been encouraging people.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 8 @ 0.0660001 = 0.528 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 27 @ 0.066 = 1.782 BTC [-]
TestingUnoDosTre: Assembly is such a wise ass. Its like yah dude I know the deal, I'm in here eryday
TestingUnoDosTre: Assbot*
fluffypony: assbot is amazing!
pankkake: http://blog.oleganza.com/post/82878104033/bitundo-can-destroy-instant-0-confirmation-transactions
ozbot: Oleg Andreev - BitUndo can destroy instant 0-confirmation transactions
thestringpuller: $depth mpoe
mpexbot: thestringpuller: S.MPOE Bids: ['1599 @ 0.00097149', '15602 @ 0.00096589', '7100 @ 0.00095965', '9100 @ 0.00095903', '1000 @ 0.00095001']
mpexbot: thestringpuller: Asks: ['23988 @ 0.00097649', '18750 @ 0.00097667', '3846 @ 0.0009779', '19450 @ 0.00097963', '24900 @ 0.00098016']
numerisTrade: hello
fluffypony: numerisTrade: ¡ola!
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: pgp article << what kind of dope do i need to smoke for this one to make sense ??
numerisTrade: yes, fluffypony?
fluffypony: numerisTrade: just saying hello :)
fluffypony: asciilifeform: managementthink
numerisTrade: ¡ola!, fluffypony :)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: weev article << 'TRO LLC (yes, the troll corporation), based in generating actionable financial intelligence from the computer underground. The primary strategy will be short equities' << poor sod, sits in usa, waits for nailgun.
nubbins`: "does PGP public-key encryption still meet today's enterprise demands, given the rise of cloud computing and mobile?"
nubbins`: "does encryption still make sense, now that we're looser than ever with our sensitive data?"
asciilifeform: meet today's enterprise demands << only ROT-13 can possibly meet demands!
nubbins`: too complicated, can't we just share all this stuff on the network drive?
nubbins`: !up davout
assbot: Voicing davout for 30 minutes.
nubbins`: !up Kushedout
assbot: Voicing Kushedout for 30 minutes.
nubbins`: !up numerisTrade
assbot: Voicing numerisTrade without time-limit.
nubbins`: !up MobGod
assbot: Voicing MobGod for 30 minutes.
nubbins`: !up dr3
assbot: Voicing dr3 for 30 minutes.
nubbins`: !up smidge
assbot: Voicing smidge for 30 minutes.
nubbins`: !up zoinky
assbot: Voicing zoinky for 30 minutes.
davout: nubbins`: wanna light some jasmine candles and talk about our feelings?
nubbins`: only if they're thin and green
nubbins`: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iels3GLw-zs
ozbot: Leonard Cohen-one of us cannot be wrong (original) - YouTube
zoinky: 30 minutes wooo
dR3: wooo
nubbins`: for that matter:
nubbins`: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mCtyvobvrIM
ozbot: Lagwagon Let's Talk About Feelings (full album) - YouTube
dR3: merci
nubbins`: hmm, Voicing numerisTrade without time-limit?
nubbins`: ;;gettrust assbot numerisTrade
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask numerisTrade!~numeris@87-207-88-238.dynamic.chello.pl. Trust relationship from user assbot to user numerisTrade: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=numerisTrade | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=numerisTrade | Rated since: Thu Apr 3 07:04:18 2014
nubbins`: ah, look at that
numerisTrade: I was wondering why are you voicing me. I mean, that's kind of you, but...
nubbins`: ...unnecessary? :D
nubbins`: i just upped everyone who's joined since i did ;(
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1599 @ 0.00097149 = 1.5534 BTC [-]
numerisTrade: :)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 17 @ 0.05399999 = 0.918 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18384 @ 0.00097133 = 17.8569 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 80741 @ 0.00096747 = 78.1145 BTC [-] {2}
TestingUnoDosTre: I'm just beginning to read the mathew n Wright forum. Anyone want to give me a summary of the ending first?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 48 @ 0.0075 = 0.36 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1950 @ 0.00013991 = 0.2728 BTC [-] {10}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 4305 @ 0.0001162 = 0.5002 BTC [-] {7}
jurov: ..lived happily ever after.
bounce: ... the butler did it
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.52984286 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.52990032 = 1.0598 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 45 @ 0.00554509 = 0.2495 BTC [-]
TestingUnoDosTre: Thanks guys...
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 29 @ 0.00554489 = 0.1608 BTC [-]
Duffer1: sorry man that all was before my time, not sure what all happened
TomServo: He didn't pay, if I recall correctly
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 5 @ 0.14 = 0.7 BTC
TomServo: !up mjr_
assbot: Voicing mjr_ for 30 minutes.
mjr_: thanks?
rithm is wiggling his ass to https://soundcloud.com/gramatik/02-gramatik-torture-feat
rithm: did i break your chats with mursiks
TomServo: TestingUnoDosTre: 9 September 2012 Matthew Neal Wright (mentioned above) had been offering interested parties bets on whether the Bitcoin Savings and Trust will fail or not. Numerous people took the bet, MNW failed to pay out when the collapse of that Ponzi scheme became fact. Consequently scammertagged in the forum.
TomServo: http://trilema.com/2012/the-bitcoin-drama-timeline/ was the source for that
ozbot: The Bitcoin Drama Timeline pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 90 @ 0.0075 = 0.675 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 3.46002048 BTC to 8`421 shares, 41088 satoshi per share
TestingUnoDosTre: So he didn't pay it all out, or he did pay some?
TomServo: I don't believe he paid at all
rithm: MNW paid some people privately
rithm: and others not at all
rithm: i used to think he paid no one but I've since learned differently
TestingUnoDosTre: Not sure if best or worst scam in entire history of bitcoin...
rithm: why he still hangs around though i dunno he's juvenile
rithm: sortof like micon
rithm: foum is full of them
TestingUnoDosTre: Doesn't look like he has a scammer tag any more
rithm: does a scammer tag on the forum have nay relevance at all?
rithm: i mean what does it mean?
rithm: is theymos a scammer?
rithm: sorry, i mean thermos, he goes by thermos now
rithm is just curious what the actual real world consequences of a bitcointalk.org scammer tag are
TestingUnoDosTre: I believe they stopped using them officially
TestingUnoDosTre: But some obvious people are still tagged- ie nefario, pirateat40
rithm: yes, and now there is some half assed trust system
rithm: which is broken because you have no way to idetify the person you communicate with on that forum
rithm: unless you start gpg signing pm's and posts
rithm: https://coinstax.com/product-detail/6/
ozbot: CoinStax – 1 oz. Perth Mint Gold Bars (25 count Box)
rithm: but this though
rithm: ;;calc 33678.50/[tlast]
gribble: 65.3951456311
benkay: ;;gettrust mjr
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user benkay to user mjr: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=mjr | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=mjr | Rated since: never
benkay: ;;gettrust mjr_
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user benkay to user mjr_: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=mjr_ | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=mjr_ | Rated since: never
benkay: mjr_: you're not in the wot!?
benkay: ;;rate TomServo 1 #bitcoin-assets +v
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user TomServo has been recorded.
benkay: ;;gettrust phf
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask phf!~phf@unaffiliated/phf. Trust relationship from user benkay to user phf: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=phf | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=phf | Rated since: Thu Jan 2 22:27:02 2014
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 18 @ 0.02987944 = 0.5378 BTC [+] {2}
pankkake: ;;gettrust assbot theymos
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user theymos: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 2 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=theymos | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=theymos | Rated since: Mon Nov 8 13:36:30 2010
BingoBoingo: ;;gettrust numerisTrade
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask numerisTrade!~numeris@87-207-88-238.dynamic.chello.pl. Trust relationship from user BingoBoingo to user numerisTrade: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=BingoBoingo&dest=numerisTrade | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=numerisTrade | Rated since: Thu Apr 3 07:04:18 2014
mjr_: i am in the WoT
mjr_: but I think you have to look up by my name
BingoBoingo: ;;gettrust assbot mjr
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user mjr: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=mjr | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=mjr | Rated since: never
BingoBoingo: !up mjr_
assbot: Voicing mjr_ for 30 minutes.
mjr_: ;gettrust benkay
mjr_: ;;gettrust benkay
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask benkay!~user@71-214-87-217.ptld.qwest.net. Trust relationship from user mjr_ to user benkay: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=mjr_&dest=benkay | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=benkay | Rated since: Sun Mar 10 13:57:45 2013
mjr_: hmmm
mjr_: I believe in the WoT I am Josh_Rossi or JoshRossi
pankkake: ;;gpg info Josh_Rossi
gribble: User 'Josh_Rossi', with keyid C286BB96FE9B6CD3, fingerprint 3812AFD43A6B8A057F37D858C286BB96FE9B6CD3, and bitcoin address 1LokQrHj14NU93tC6pZfTZyyRHhAVakQmX, registered on Sat Mar 9 18:38:35 2013, last authed on Sat May 11 08:47:37 2013. http://b-otc.com/vg?nick=Josh_Rossi . Currently not authenticated.
mjr_: yep
jurov: ôôident mjr_
mjr_: that's me
jurov: ;;ident mjr_
gribble: Nick 'mjr_', with hostmask 'mjr_!~Thunderbi@', is not identified.
mjr_: hold on a sec, i will identify
mjr_: if i can remember how
mjr_: ;;help
gribble: The bot responds when you start a line with the ! character. A good starting point for exploring the bot is the !facts command. You can also visit the bot's website for a list of help topics and documentation: http://gribble.sourceforge.net/
mjr_: what is the command?
mjr_: ;;authenticate
gribble: Error: "authenticate" is not a valid command.
mjr_: ;;ident
gribble: Nick 'mjr_', with hostmask 'mjr_!~Thunderbi@', is not identified.
artifexd: You can do all that in a pm channel with gribble.
mjr_: k thanks
artifexd: It would prevent flailing about in public. ;)
mjr_: lol
mjr_: what is the command again?
bounce: a choice of auth, eauth, bcauth
benkay: artifexd: you're no fun!
mjr_: lol, don't worry still have trouble
mjr_: its a pastebin, right?
benkay: eauth Josh_Rossi
benkay: <decrpyt>
mjr_: what is gribble expecting for the verify part
benkay: everify <decrypted otp>
mjr_: a url?
mjr_: ah ok
benkay: ;;gettrust phf
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask phf!~phf@unaffiliated/phf. Trust relationship from user benkay to user phf: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=phf | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=phf | Rated since: Thu Jan 2 22:27:02 2014
mjr_: ;;idet
gribble: Error: "idet" is not a valid command.
mjr_: ;;ident ☟︎
gribble: CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick. Nick 'mjr_', with hostmask 'mjr_!~Thunderbi@', is identified as user 'Josh_Rossi', with GPG key id C286BB96FE9B6CD3, key fingerprint 3812AFD43A6B8A057F37D858C286BB96FE9B6CD3, and bitcoin address 1LokQrHj14NU93tC6pZfTZyyRHhAVakQmX
mjr_: now i'm identified, that is my WoT name
artifexd: ;;gettrust assbot Josh_Rossi
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask mjr_!~Thunderbi@ CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick. Trust relationship from user assbot to user Josh_Rossi: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=Josh_Rossi | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Josh_Rossi | Rated since: never
mjr_: yeah...no one ever rates me
davout: ;;rate mjr_ 1 nice guy
gribble: Error: User doesn't exist in the Rating or GPG databases. User must be GPG-registered to receive ratings.
mjr_: thanks davout
davout: ;;rate Josh_Rossi 1 nice guy
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user Josh_Rossi has been recorded.
davout: here you go
mjr_: woohoo
artifexd: ;;gettrust assbot Josh_Rossi
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask mjr_!~Thunderbi@ CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick. Trust relationship from user assbot to user Josh_Rossi: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=Josh_Rossi | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Josh_Rossi | Rated since: Wed Apr 16 12:44:36 2014
artifexd: There ya go.
mjr_: awesome
artifexd: Now if your nick matches your wot, you can pm assbot and !up yourself.
mjr_: I used to have a script that would authenticate me when i sign in
benkay: ;;gettrust mjr
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user benkay to user mjr: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=mjr | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=mjr | Rated since: never
benkay: ;;gettrust mjr_
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user benkay to user mjr_: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=mjr_ | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=mjr_ | Rated since: never
benkay: ;;gettrust Josh_Rossi
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask mjr_!~Thunderbi@ CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick. Trust relationship from user benkay to user Josh_Rossi: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=Josh_Rossi | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Josh_Rossi | Rated since: Wed Apr 16 12:44:36 2014
Josh_Rossi: does that make the warning go away?
Josh_Rossi: ;;ident
gribble: Nick 'Josh_Rossi', with hostmask 'Josh_Rossi!~Thunderbi@', is identified as user 'Josh_Rossi', with GPG key id C286BB96FE9B6CD3, key fingerprint 3812AFD43A6B8A057F37D858C286BB96FE9B6CD3, and bitcoin address 1LokQrHj14NU93tC6pZfTZyyRHhAVakQmX
benkay: ;;rate Josh_Rossi 1
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user Josh_Rossi has been recorded.
Josh_Rossi: i'm not even sure if i still have that btc address...
Josh_Rossi: ;;rate davout 1
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user davout has been recorded.
Josh_Rossi: ;;rate benkay 1
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user benkay has been recorded.
benkay: thanks, boss
mjr_: lol
mjr_: I have almost no standing in the WoT
mjr_: but I don't actually ask for stuff...so I guess its ok
TestingUnoDosTre: Hey i need to speak with a bitbet mod ☟︎
jurov: ;;rate mjr_ 1 satoshi square
gribble: Error: User doesn't exist in the Rating or GPG databases. User must be GPG-registered to receive ratings.
jurov: ;;rate Josh_Rossi 1 satoshi square
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user Josh_Rossi has been recorded.
bounce: donald rumsfeld complaining the tax code is too complex. what'd he try and do about it when he had the chance?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.53180969 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 323 @ 0.14 = 45.22 BTC
kakobrekla: hmmm
TestingUnoDosTre: I just got robbed on a bet close to the timeline
kakobrekla: this aint right.
TestingUnoDosTre: I had a bet submitted with 1 confirmation before event occured, and they're trying to refund me
kakobrekla: who?
TestingUnoDosTre: What do you mean who?
benkay: ;;rate phf 2 lisper
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 2 for user phf has been recorded.
pankkake: https://twitter.com/rogerkver/status/447344144315211776/photo/1
kakobrekla: wtf is with the log.
TestingUnoDosTre: What's wrong
kakobrekla: i dont know seems fine no
kakobrekla: w
kakobrekla: its prolly me.
TestingUnoDosTre: Alright kako- do you know people in charge or bitbet?
mjr_: does that work?
kakobrekla: TestingUnoDosTre i might
mjr_: what happened to the options on mpex?
kakobrekla: you got a few months of lag?
Duffer1: hehe
TestingUnoDosTre: I submitted a bet that had 1 confirmation prior to bitstamp going to 525and they're trying to refund
TestingUnoDosTre: Price still coulda tanked
Duffer1: you're getting a refund?
kakobrekla: is the timestamp of your bet on bitbet after the event or before?
TestingUnoDosTre: I can double check, but I'm pretty sure before
kakobrekla: well check then
TestingUnoDosTre: Double check
BingoBoingo: .d
ozbot: 6.120 billion | Next Diff in 177 blocks | Estimated Change: 13.1257% in 1d 1h 34m 48s
TestingUnoDosTre: Yes. Crossed over at 23:29. Bet time on bitbet 23:20
TestingUnoDosTre: http://bitcoincharts.com/charts/bitstampUSD#rg2zig1-minzczsg2014-04-15zeg2014-04-16ztgSzm1g10zm2g25zv
kakobrekla: ;;later tell mircea_popescu complaint ^^
gribble: The operation succeeded.
kakobrekla: fixd
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 2 @ 0.14 = 0.28 BTC
TestingUnoDosTre: They're gonna pay everybody though. Says resolved!
bitcoinpete: benkay: "aristocracy" works like as well as ever. Also, very much enjoyed your recourse piece :D
bitcoinpete: http://bitcoinpete.com/2014/ex-post-toronto-bitcoin-expo/
ozbot: Ex-Post: Toronto Bitcoin Expo | When Bitcoin Met Pete
kakobrekla: TestingUnoDosTre was it paid already?
kakobrekla: oh and btw, since im the first, greetings from Romania.
TestingUnoDosTre: They just paid it...
TestingUnoDosTre: Like literally just after I told you
kakobrekla: TestingUnoDosTre, wait for mp to return
kakobrekla: ;;seen mircea_popescu
gribble: mircea_popescu was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 4 hours, 48 minutes, and 15 seconds ago: <mircea_popescu> i dunno how far i'd trust them to stick with it, but so far it's been encouraging people.
TestingUnoDosTre: My apologies... gotta settle down a little
fluffypony: bitcoinpete: so when are they launching their decentralised iOS exchange?
fluffypony: :-P
TestingUnoDosTre: Do they have an email, or how do I contact?
bitcoinpete: fluffypony: lol it's sitll in "pre-alpha"
bitcoinpete: still*
fluffypony: I look forward to running it, as long as I can invest in the "company" behind it with BitShares or ProtoShares or whatever-the-fuck-shares
bitcoinpete: kakobrekla: have fun at the conference! i hope to make it next year
kakobrekla: TestingUnoDosTre, here is a hint : http://mpex.co/
kakobrekla: eh
kakobrekla: i meant http://mpex.co/?mpsic=S.BBET
kakobrekla: thanks bitcoinpete, already having fun.
Apocalyptic: kakobrekla, you're the first that arrived ?
fluffypony: I should actually write a Dogecoin-denominated trading site and only allow companies that are clearly a joke
fluffypony: I'll call it DogecoinBourse
kakobrekla: Apocalyptic yes, noone will be here till tomorrow
TomServo: How many are supposed to attend this year?
kakobrekla: no clue
bitcoinpete: kakobrekla: drink a few ursus' and eat a few mititei for us. it's a deadly combo
kakobrekla: at least 2
Apocalyptic: jurov and asciilifeform are attending i think
kakobrekla: heh, you want to kill my stomach ? :)
kakobrekla: right now im in the hotel bar, sipping a double jack.
TomServo: very nice.
kakobrekla: 20:45.05 .•• numerisTrade ( ~numeris@unaffiliated/numeristrade ) joined #bitcoin-assets
kakobrekla: 20:45.05 .•• sendak.freenode.net sets #bitcoin-assets mode +v numerisTrade
kakobrekla: 20:45.05 .•• ChanServ sets #bitcoin-assets mode -v numerisTrade
kakobrekla: lol.
kakobrekla: has this been a regular occurance?
TomServo: Not that I've noticed.
TestingUnoDosTre: Kako, you're the owner of bbet?
TomServo: heh
kakobrekla: TestingUnoDosTre halfassed.
TestingUnoDosTre: Help a brotha out. I'm making my living off your website
kakobrekla: :o
TestingUnoDosTre: Running on thin margins
kakobrekla: anyway, as i said, complaints to go to MP
kakobrekla: wait for him to return
TestingUnoDosTre: Complaints to the billionaire,?
kakobrekla: ofc.
thestringpuller: $depth mpoe
mpexbot: thestringpuller: S.MPOE Bids: ['1000 @ 0.00095001', '1000 @ 0.00094501', '450 @ 0.00082', '4000 @ 0.0008101', '3000 @ 0.00081']
mpexbot: thestringpuller: Asks: ['8459 @ 0.00096466', '14441 @ 0.00097133', '14600 @ 0.00097259', '18750 @ 0.00097667', '19450 @ 0.00097963']
bitcoinpete: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/04/16/mtgox_requests_liquidation/
bitcoinpete: the register has been reading -assets. ^borkt
fluffypony: lol
wywialm: hi all
fluffypony: I used to love TheRegister when it was this slightly obscure British publication that was the only way of following the BOFH saga
pankkake: oh I loved BOFH!
fluffypony: pankkake: the newer stuff got boring
fluffypony: but like pre-2005 BOFH is still golden
Naphex: evening
fluffypony: pankkake: most recent episode - http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/03/21/bofh_2014_episode_3/
bounce: stopped reading that years ago. the old stuff was good, though.
bounce: bofh used to be on whatwasit networkworld? only came to el reg later
fluffypony: bounce: yeah, went to El Reg for its "revival"
TestingUnoDosTre: Why do you think they've been reading assets? Found no quotes UN artcke?
TestingUnoDosTre: In article. Fucking auto correct
BingoBoingo: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-switch/wp/2014/04/15/this-reader-mocked-heartbleed-by-posting-his-passwords-online-youll-never-guess-what-happened-next/
ozbot: This reader mocked Heartbleed, posted his passwords online. Guess what happened next.
wywialm: bitcoinpete, some time ago i tried to discuss your deflation artice with you, do you have a while?
bitcoinpete: wywialm: shoot. what's on your mind?
wywialm: do you believe there may be bad deflation? or good inflation?
bounce: that pdf waffles like the fat frenchman wrote it
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.06690987 = 0.1338 BTC [+]
fluffypony: BingoBoingo: "hacked" by some obscure definition of hacked we weren't previously privy to
BingoBoingo: Sure
bitcoinpete: wywialm: as hamlet said: “there is nothing either good or bad, but thinking makes it so."
TestingUnoDosTre: For the record, bitcoin is inflating at a rapidly decreasing, defined rate
bitcoinpete: no doubt that a lot of people will be screwed out of pensions and other lofty promises, also little doubt that faux egalitarianism will fall by the wayside
bitcoinpete: TestingUnoDosTre: totally. it's the first deterministically scarce asset with a decreasing inflation rate
bitcoinpete: it's really fiat that's collapsing unpredictably into bitcoin
wywialm: ok, to be precise: do you believe there are circumstances in which deflation would do unnecessary harm to the economy, its net effects being negative?
wywialm: in the same way we could call some forms of governments net negative on the economy
TestingUnoDosTre: Not with a truly fungible asset
bitcoinpete: wywialm: i see the nets being positive
wywialm: to be even more precise, by inflation i mean rising *price level*, not plain money growth
bitcoinpete: and the harm as being entirely necessary
Apocalyptic: wywialm, you're using the perverted meaning of inflation I see
bitcoinpete: right, the price of goods and services is decreasing despite the monetary base increasing
wywialm: clearly that's the message of your article, bitcoinpete. I'm asking whether it is "always and everywhere"
wywialm: Apocalyptic, no, it's a standard definition, contrary to late Mises and Rothbard, and avoids much confusion
bitcoinpete: wy
bitcoinpete: wywialm: history would seem to say so. we'll see whether it rhymes this time 'round
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 350 @ 0.14 = 49 BTC
wywialm: to be even more clear, i generally agree with you that under normal conditions of rising productivity, moderate deflation is very desirable
bitcoinpete: bitcoin and gold are checks on tyrannical mobs
mod6: (10:01) <+pankkake> oh I loved BOFH! << me too, the old ones are best imho.
wywialm: sure, but that's fiscal effect of both. i try to focus on monetary effects
bitcoinpete: wywialm: monetary effects don't exist in isolation. nothing does. and least of all in economics
Apocalyptic: wywialm, not really, the standard definition is the increase of the money supply, or monetary base
bitcoinpete: we can't say that increasing x is desirable because it correlates to increased y without considering the social and political impacts
benkay: bitcoinpete: "whatever is is right" to quote another poet.
wywialm: bitcoinpete, we try to abstract from them now. Without this tool no economic analysis would be possible
benkay: ;;gettrust wywialm
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask wywialm!~wywialm@87-207-88-238.dynamic.chello.pl. Trust relationship from user benkay to user wywialm: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=wywialm | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=wywialm | Rated since: Tue Apr 15 11:18:52 2014
benkay: good bad who cares bitcoin is here to kick the ass of anyone who wants to diddle the number of currency units around
kakobrekla: bad is good
bitcoinpete: benkay yup, pretty much. it's skill-gettin' time
wywialm: Apocalyptic, when did this term get 'perverted' and why would it be an argument against defining it that way?
wywialm: benkay :)
numerisTrade: bitcoinpete, would then *steadily shrinking* currency unharmful as well?
wywialm: good point
bitcoinpete: numerisTrade: i imagine that a currency whose supply is decreasing over time wouldn't make for a very good currency. an example of this would be the picassos in the world today. over time, they're lost to fires, floods, irreparable damage, etc. as such, no one defines picassos as currency just as no one sane defines bitcoin as money
numerisTrade: ok
numerisTrade: wait, bitcoin is not money only in current legal sense
jurov: https://lobste.rs/s/3utipo/openbsd_has_started_a_massive_strip-down_and_cleanup_of_openssl
TestingUnoDosTre: Gunna subconsciously call bitcoins Picasso's now every time I check my portfolio
ozbot: OpenBSD has started a massive strip-down and cleanup of OpenSSL | Lobsters
jurov: "they’re incinerating compatibility with upstream with a plasma torch" lol
wywialm: well, bitcoin is medium of exchange, you can play with definitions as you wish, but it won't help with understanding anything
bitcoinpete: numerisTrade: the irs' ruling of bitcoin as property is actually quite accurate and intelligent. bitcoin is far more like property overlooking central park than the dollars in our pockets
bitcoinpete: TestingUnoDosTre: might as well :D
numerisTrade: and bitcoins will reach a point when they will be decreasing, due to losses and so on
jurov: i guess eiteher they will be mined or some protocol to recover 100 years untouched outputs will be agreed upon
jurov: unlike picassos, here it is possible
wywialm: bitcoinpete, legalistically, yes, but property and land could be money in economic terms
bitcoinpete: wywialm: so can a barrel of oil. so can a chicken. so...
bitcoinpete: jurov: good point, hadn't thought of that. oh the wonders of software
thestringpuller: $depth mpoe
mpexbot: thestringpuller: S.MPOE Bids: ['11090 @ 0.00095019', '1000 @ 0.00095001', '1000 @ 0.00094501', '450 @ 0.00082', '4000 @ 0.0008101']
mpexbot: thestringpuller: Asks: ['8459 @ 0.00096466', '14441 @ 0.00097133', '14600 @ 0.00097259', '18750 @ 0.00097667', '19450 @ 0.00097963']
wywialm: so we could analyse economic impact of bitcoin being money, either now or some time later
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0668 = 0.1336 BTC [-]
Apocalyptic: some protocol to recover 100 years untouched outputs will be agreed upon // unlikely
Apocalyptic: and I hope it doesn't happen
TestingUnoDosTre: Agreed
TestingUnoDosTre: Double agree
jurov: Apocalyptic: why not?
jurov: it would be just a simple rule that miner can take 5 million blocks old unspent output(s).
pankkake: it's a slippery slope
jurov: and there will be muich bigger changes necessary much sooner than 100 years, you really think SHA-256 will resist so long?
TestingUnoDosTre: There will be, an adequate replacement in 100 years
TestingUnoDosTre: And its not like bitcoin owners won't be able to transfer value to said systems
TestingUnoDosTre: A la shitcoins, but better
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 1 @ 0.14 BTC
jurov: In fact I think having shorter delay, like 5 years would force criminals to spend, benefitting everyone
Apocalyptic: ... what nonsense is this
Apocalyptic: jurov, really the criminal argument coming from you ?
pankkake: bitcoin could work with md4. the goal is to brute force it, so it doesn't matter how broken it is
jurov: what's so shocking?
asciilifeform: ;;google satcoin
gribble: SAT solving - An alternative to brute force bitcoin mining: <http://jheusser.github.io/2013/02/03/satcoin.html>; [ANN] Saturncoin [SAT] - One of the most fast and secure coins ...: <https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=441760.0>; jheusser/satcoin · GitHub: <https://github.com/jheusser/satcoin>
Apocalyptic: SHA-256 will resist so long? // even if a full 1 block colision is found, it won't affect mining
wywialm: jurov, do you believe spending of criminals will benefit the economy?:)
asciilifeform: nah, only the money of saints benefits economy
asciilifeform: lol
Apocalyptic: must be
wywialm: i happen to agree with you, especially considering bitcoin deflation argument, but if so, wouldn't e.g. printed-money-spending benefit economy as well in some cases?
jurov: i think it's more about stability of money supply
jurov: can you imagine someone hoarding and after 10 years throwing in few millions btc
wywialm: so, withholding money from circulation might have similar effects (and we believe them to be negative) as coin loss?
wywialm: (under certain conditions, not always, etc. of course)
pankkake: that person can hoard by moving the coins for free
pankkake: though miners would then be incentivized to REFUSE transactions
jurov: pankkake: but then everyon knows they are not lost
Apocalyptic: who cares
jurov: currently everyone can only guess
pankkake: no, you're not spending that output, because I want to grab it!
jurov: pankkake: market will solve that nicely. miners will take the txfee now instead of waiting for expiration
benkay: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rBHjx4dYxjA
ozbot: Computer simulations teaching themselves to walk - Bizarre - YouTube
asciilifeform: better:
asciilifeform: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JBgG_VSP7f8
ozbot: Karl Sims - Evolved Virtual Creatures, Evolution Simulation, 1994 - YouTube
wywialm: bitcoinpete, let's follow jurov and imagine that somehow demand for money/bitcoin sharply increases. Would it be harmful to general trade conditions? That is, would it generate a recession? If not, why?
wywialm: probably, let's leave bitcoin for now, as it's not money as a unit of account for majority of bitcoinholders
wywialm: let's focus just on abstract 'money'
jurov: what is meant by "demand for bitcoin increases"?
wywialm: demand for money, no bitcoin :) flight from assets to cash.
wywialm: e.g. major 'risk-off'
wywialm: hoarding
wywialm: etc.
jurov: popping of reality/stock bubble as usual?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26946 @ 0.00095914 = 25.845 BTC [-]
wywialm: not necessarily - after such 'pop' there are usually calls that there was a bubble, but not every falling asset was a bubble previously
benkay: wywialm: it's money as a unit account for the bitcoin holders that matter.
benkay: note that everything on mpex is btc-denominated.
benkay: one can even buy hosting denominated in btc
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7167 @ 0.00096466 = 6.9137 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: $epth
thestringpuller: $depth mpoe
mpexbot: thestringpuller: S.MPOE Bids: ['15174 @ 0.00095914', '75 @ 0.00095266', '11090 @ 0.00095019', '1000 @ 0.00095001', '1000 @ 0.00094501']
mpexbot: thestringpuller: Asks: ['1292 @ 0.00096466', '14441 @ 0.00097133', '14600 @ 0.00097259', '18750 @ 0.00097667', '19450 @ 0.00097963']
wywialm: sure, but i didn't want to enter this branch of discussion
benkay: in assets brach enters you!
thestringpuller: benkay: you missing shit
thestringpuller: get a bouncer :P
bitcoinpete: wywialm: from personal experience, when the price is going parabolic, there's little incentive to spend bitcoin when the good or service will be cheaper tomorrow and the need isn't dire
bitcoinpete: so under such conditions, the economy is filtered for value
wywialm: agreed, but this effect can be really harmful in a much more developed economy, with credit, net of contracts, many competitors on a single markets
TestingUnoDosTre: You just have to structure a debt contract with half a brain
wywialm: and then it is not only filtered for value, trade just goes down incredibly - we could go on claiming everything is fine, but then unemployed resources appear en masse
benkay: it will be interesting to see it play out, but nobody knows how it is actually going to play out.
TestingUnoDosTre: And thus we hoard
wywialm: it definitely will
benkay: wywialm: if there's no market for the stuff at the price, the price must move for the stuff to move.
benkay: bitcoin will bring a rigor to business unseen for centuries.
wywialm: TestingUnoDosTre, like what? indexing to something else?
benkay: wywialm: what's the root of your nick?
wywialm: benkay, or not
wywialm: that's my surname
TestingUnoDosTre: Or partially indexing.
benkay: how does one pronounce it?
wywialm: Vyhvial, or actually, Vyhviaw :) if you insist i could provide fonetic notation
wywialm: M is first letter of my name
wywialm: TestingUnoDosTre, but that's changing the unit of account :)
benkay: wywialm: what part of the world is that from?
wywialm: Poland
TestingUnoDosTre: Creditors may also want to shed some risk
TestingUnoDosTre: For example if they own a large amount of btc and want to protect against a big short term drop in value
wywialm: benkay, re: if there's no market for the stuff at the price, the price must move for the stuff to move
wywialm: there are exceptions to this, grouped under the tag of 'price rigidity', which has many origins and which i'll try to sum up briefly
wywialm: (generally, if there were no price rigidity, sharp deflation would be no problem, I believe)
bitcoinpete: price rigidity is just another form of tversky and khaneman's anchoring and adjusting
wywialm: no, not necessarily, it is beyond psychology
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 908 @ 0.00011918 = 0.1082 BTC [+] {2}
wywialm: first, there are menu costs and other costs of price adjustments, such as making plans and accounting
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1292 @ 0.00096466 = 1.2463 BTC [+]
wywialm: second, there are long term contracts negotiated in terms of monetary unit of account
benkay: so the world changes out from underneath you sometimes. one tries to plan and account for these things. sometimes the irresistable force is just completely irresistable.
wywialm: and third, most important probably, are network coordination failures. On a reasonably populated market, if the nominal demand (or trade volume) falls, the first enterpreneur to lower prices would not suffer losses due to demand inelasticity
wywialm: benkay, true, but this is a source of rigidity which will impact the real economy
bitcoinpete: wywialm: right, which all means that the losses, as well as the profits, are privatized, whereas we currently socialize large losses
benkay: isn't monetary diddling used solely to socialize losses?
wywialm: bitcoinpete, i'm not a defender of current (fiscal and monetary) arrangements
benkay: solely, largely, a lot of the time, whatever
bitcoinpete: benkay: yup. and i meant to say that bitcoin prevents this, if i wasn't clear
kakobrekla: ;;later tell davot rejected.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
kakobrekla: ;;later tell davout rejected.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
kakobrekla: eh?
wywialm: currently, i'd bet something between 'largely' and 'sometimes'. Have a look at EU, they are heading for deflation, despite their official inflation targets, same in Poland
benkay: just helping to illuminate, bitcoinpete
kakobrekla: fuckin lag.
bitcoinpete: benkay: bueno ;)
wywialm: why don't they flood EU with cash, when they have mandate to do it?
bitcoinpete: good sesh. i'm out for now
wywialm: cya
benkay: hey wywialm who actually controls how much money sloshes around the eu?
wywialm: ECB
wywialm: in that, Germany and to lesser extent, France.
wywialm: and the same situation is in Poland, official inflation target is 2.5%, we are ~1% and head of National Bank of Poland says he's ok with that
wywialm: Czech Republic is probably deflating already
Apocalyptic: a good thing
wywialm: not necessarily, as i tried to point earlier
benkay: well head of NBP doesn't have much say in euro monetary supply does he?
wywialm: in PL we are monetary independent still
wywialm: we have zloty (which, by coincidence, means 'golden', and last had gold component 300 years ago)
wywialm: not EUR
benkay: asciilifeform: https://github.com/pf/erc-gribble
benkay: ah cool
benkay: well so anyways euro is deflating right now?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18491 @ 0.00096548 = 17.8527 BTC [+]
wywialm: inflation 0.5 %, target 2%
benkay: what are their lines of recourse and why aren't they using them?
wywialm: and it is not equally distributed throughout eurozone, south is deflating for a couple of years, -1.5% i believe
wywialm: they only use interest rate policy, which is veeery far from efficient
wywialm: and they are cowardly, i believe, as they could push interest rates lower even in their imperfect framework
wywialm: what they should do is to do as-neutral-as-possible QE. Think about it, if you have a bank, and demand for your notes skyrockets, you issue more, not less, right?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.06690993 = 0.2007 BTC [+] {2}
asciilifeform: benkay: neato
wywialm: btw: that reminded me about another consequence of deflation, which should be obvious: the zero lower bound of interest rates
benkay: oh phf you can !up yourself in pm now
benkay: ;;ident phf
gribble: Nick 'phf', with hostmask 'phf!~phf@unaffiliated/phf', is identified as user 'phf', with GPG key id 5356DE4752432A9E, key fingerprint BDDE12104FE81BE7F83B698F5356DE4752432A9E, and bitcoin address 1N3iZVTNu4kco858zTpHUkfpzAWj6Uma7S
benkay: !up phf
assbot: Voicing phf without time-limit.
benkay: phf wrote that elisp
benkay goes back to mutating cloud boxes
phf: cheers
phf: next step is to add assbot integration
phf: now that i can test it ;)
benkay: sweet
wywialm: i'll be going, thanks benkay for a nice chat
benkay: see ya
thestringpuller: !last m s.mpoe
assbot: Last trade for S.MPOE on MPEX was at 0.00096548 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: $depth mpoe
mpexbot: thestringpuller: S.MPOE Bids: ['15167 @ 0.00096548', '75 @ 0.00096', '15174 @ 0.00095914', '11090 @ 0.00095019', '1000 @ 0.00095001']
mpexbot: thestringpuller: Asks: ['49700 @ 0.00097016', '14441 @ 0.00097133', '14600 @ 0.00097259', '43200 @ 0.00097666', '18750 @ 0.00097667']
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 202 @ 0.00502054 = 1.0141 BTC [-] {9}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.50342865 = 2.5171 BTC [-] {5}
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 511.23, Best ask: 512.93, Bid-ask spread: 1.70000, Last trade: 512.92, 24 hour volume: 32932.41992736, 24 hour low: 494.02, 24 hour high: 548.0, 24 hour vwap: 517.82933908
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 38 @ 0.00499191 = 0.1897 BTC [-] {2}
thestringpuller: wow amazing
Apocalyptic: pankkake, http://www.lecontrarien.com/2014/04/16
Apocalyptic: "c’est l’éducation nationale – ou ce qu’il en reste tant cette institution marque l’échec volontaire de notre société dans l’ensemble – qui réfléchit doctement non pas à améliorer le niveau scolaire déplorable de nos enfants mais à changer le système de notation des dictées. Nous ne comptabiliserons plus désormais que les mots qui sont bien écrits…"
Apocalyptic: dafuq
pankkake: I don't understand what he really means
pankkake: the whole website seems to advertise buying gold
Apocalyptic: I'm not sure but I read "Nous ne comptabiliserons plus désormais que les mots qui sont bien écrits…" as you just have to write 10 or 20 words correctly to get the full mark
Apocalyptic: he may be biased but I think he's right about "Ce mouvement vers l’inculture n’est pas français mais international" and the will to make people dumb generally
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.501 = 1.002 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 67 @ 0.00490007 = 0.3283 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.50100001 = 1.002 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.501 = 1.002 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.05252 = 0.2101 BTC [-]
artifexd: ;;later tell bitcoinpete You may want to increase the left margin on your ul,ol under media="all". As it is currently, it prevents your footnote labels from showing more than a single digit.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.052502 = 0.2625 BTC [-] {3}
pankkake: !voice peterl
pankkake: !up peterl
assbot: Voicing peterl for 30 minutes.
peterl: thanks
artifexd: ;;gettrust assbot peterl
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user peterl: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=peterl | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=peterl | Rated since: never
peterl: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1y49gAOT06_uDM25rocO3SOEyTyLYkWnZ5UFDikDceqA/edit?usp=sharing
ozbot: LIF retrospective - Google Docs
peterl: mircea_popescu: there you go
pankkake: ;;rate peterl 1 member of the cult of mpex
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user peterl has been recorded.
peterl: lol, the scientology of bitcoin, right?
pankkake: yep
bounce: did git support signing of commits?
benkay: indeed, bounce it *does*
pankkake: yes, it does now. can be very useful
benkay: but maybe consider signing tags instead
pankkake: it breaks if you rewrite history though :(
benkay: for instance, check out https://github.com/pf/erc-gribble
benkay: then git tag -v beta_0
bounce was idly speculating on stuffing all law in a SCM, with public diffs. and signed commits by the head of state.
benkay: law, bounce ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 25 @ 0.06437036 = 1.6093 BTC [-] {4}
bounce: law, benkay .
pankkake: where we're going, we don't need laws
phf: github doesn't even bother to inform you that there's a signature on the tag, but signed tags seem like a good place to put contracts
phf: (it doesn't affect history either)
pankkake: otherwise, I know it's planned to be used by gentoo - you need to sign every packaging commit given the sensible nature of it
pankkake: github is for people who don't know how to use git anyway :p
TestingUnoDosTre: Who ran LIF?
thestringpuller: lol pankkake why because you can edit files and commit them from the website?
pankkake: also, yes
benkay: bounce: what kinds of laws are you writing? and for whom are they?
peterl: LIF was run by me
phf ducks
bounce: who says I am writing laws?
BingoBoingo: https://twitter.com/TorEkelandPC/status/456520800892620800
ozbot: Twitter / TorEkelandPC: yo, @rabite court just signed ...
benkay: bounce try it like i'm twelve
BingoBoingo: Weev is now unconditionally free
bounce: apparently there's a "TRO LLC IRC" somewhere
BingoBoingo: Really?
BingoBoingo: I imagine it isn't on freenode...
bounce: could try and dig through that timeline a bit
TestingUnoDosTre: What did he get booked for? Read the article and they mostly talked about trial etc
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 80 @ 0.06690777 = 5.3526 BTC [+] {8}
bounce: IIRC he'd sucked up a bunch of apple device IDs from at&t's leaky activation site
TestingUnoDosTre: And then shorted the stock or sometning?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 140 @ 0.00499506 = 0.6993 BTC [+] {4}
bounce: no, more like told'em to fix it, and they responded with the fbi instead. something like that.
TestingUnoDosTre: Ahhh I thought he said he was reaping some short term trades after publishing about these weaknesses
TestingUnoDosTre: In the article it said EFF didn't want to get near the case until appeal was possible. I had higher expectations
TestingUnoDosTre: Thought they might be a last bastion in th shitstorm which is the US legal sphere
BingoBoingo: It wasn't quite that.
BingoBoingo: TestingUnoDosTre: Use this opportunity to return with the narrative
TestingUnoDosTre: This http://techcrunch.com/2014/04/15/weev-talks-about-life-in-prison-and-his-plans-to-open-a-hedge-fund-tro-llc/
TestingUnoDosTre: From article" I am here to shift the market cap of publicly traded companies downward by publicizing problems in their technical infrastructure. Very few people manage to do this. In fact, besides the times I’ve done so, I can only think of a handful of other incidents."
BingoBoingo: TestingUnoDosTre: What about the charges related to ATT
TestingUnoDosTre: He was freed from them, No?
BingoBoingo: TestingUnoDosTre: Also return with information on what happened to the guy who plead out
BingoBoingo: TestingUnoDosTre: Well, what was the exact story on what he was charged for doing
TestingUnoDosTre: Isn't that was said article is about?
Namworld: Let me make up a quote for weev: "I am Troll, c?"
TestingUnoDosTre: Ahhh I see. EFF did help out, after other lawyers did the footwork
BingoBoingo: TestingUnoDosTre: Well, what was the exact act Weev was charged for
TestingUnoDosTre: Like the charge, or what did he do?
TestingUnoDosTre: He submitted a bunch of false cc-ids in attempt to reverse engineer the ID to number conversion that att used
TestingUnoDosTre: Charge was identify theft and conspiracy to commit yada yada yada computer fraud act
TestingUnoDosTre: My battery is dead though. Gots to go
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2550 @ 0.00096841 = 2.4694 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: ;;later tell mircea_popescu ATC statement sent
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23100 @ 0.0009671 = 22.34 BTC [-] {2}
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 532.93, vol: 30405.03419523 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 530.0, vol: 26368.61606 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 535.48, vol: 29414.42731683 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 525.0, vol: 132.76821455 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 530.150907, vol: 8937.38800000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 523.52018, vol: 51.15564199 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 530.6112, vol: 156.56210479 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)
BingoBoingo: ;;more
gribble: 532.626348898
mircea_popescu: who dares complain!!11
BingoBoingo: Eh, someone who tried to bitbet late
BingoBoingo: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-04-2014#627678 ☝︎
ozbot: #bitcoin-assets log
peterl: but why is it crashing?
mod6: what is?
BingoBoingo: Dollars!!!
peterl: the price, it is down from its high
peterl: !t m x.eur
assbot: [MPEX:X.EUR] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 0.00313681 / 0.00313681 / 0.00313681 (786 shares, 2.47 BTC), 30D: 0.00213452 / 0.00257686 / 0.00313681 (2268 shares, 5.84 BTC)
mircea_popescu: !up SatoshiJack
assbot: Voicing SatoshiJack for 30 minutes.
SatoshiJack: thanks mp -- we are very close -- should open doors for atc in the next couple of days...
peterl: SatoshiJack: who is we?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 1 @ 0.14 BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4917 @ 0.00096548 = 4.7473 BTC [-]