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Adlai: i guess a better question is "what does 'not
Gavin-sized' mean"
williamdunne: Not quite, I still think at some point it will need to be bigger. Just not
Gavin-sized
mircea_popescu: jeez how the world changes in a coupla hours based on what's said in b-a log, you'd think we're talking to
gavin-the-handpuppet & co.
mircea_popescu: i'm looking forward to all the
gavin lectures about the perils of larger blocksizes. also at stanford.
Naphex: Pierre_Rochard: nice kick on that bucket with
gavin :))
mircea_popescu: trinque essentially, an application of "bitcoin is bitcoin" is what sunk
gavin. they still mostly can't believe it happened, but it did. it will again. in practice, you either implement a broken, pared down version of bitcoin, in which case bitcoin defeats you, or else you implement a correct version, in which case... you've implemented bitcoin.
assbot: Satoshi dress-up impersonator
Gavin Andresen, has given up promoting larger block sizes. : Buttcoin ... (
http://bit.ly/1H9s6h6 )
davout: mircea_popescu: ah, i misread, thought the 1mn thing was about
gavin assbot: Logged on 11-05-2015 02:21:20; williamdunne:
Gavin is now also advocating for 1 minute blocks
mircea_popescu: there's a very simple way to decrease interval between blocks :
gavin can just go buy some miners and stfu.
assbot: Logged on 11-05-2015 02:21:20; williamdunne:
Gavin is now also advocating for 1 minute blocks
BingoBoingo: decimation: Ah Janssens. MIT ended up beating him for
Gavin's affection
decimation: who is the guy who decided to pay
gavin's salary?
mike_c: ;;later tell pete_dushenski would surely do the
gavin retreat justice on qntra.
mike_c: That
gavin thing has to be written up. I mean.. this is what he chooses to backpedal on?
mike_c: qntra's slipping today.
Gavin beats a hasty retreat and new Bitcoin ISP.
thestringpuller: I'm starting to think everytime you kill a
Gavin-esque zombie, it's already infected 10 innocents which then become zombies.
mircea_popescu: or in other words : bitcoin idiots / the sort of "entrepreneurs"
gavin talks to weren't invented by bitcoin.
mircea_popescu: anyway, to round off the capital thing : without ownership you can not force anyone to care about you. whether you can or can not force me to care about you, i will force you to care about me. the illustration of this narrative are the sufferances of young
gavin. he drank the "piketty" aka libertard coolaid, and now here he is, wondering what the fuck happened.
trinque: "Neither me nor
Gavin believe a fee market will work as a substitute for the inflation subsidy."
mircea_popescu: because poettering is like
gavin, the godfather of other people's computers.
mircea_popescu: fluffypony what "entrepreneurs" is
gavin talking to anyway ?
fluffypony: funkenstein_: no idea,
Gavin said this -
fluffypony: but I thought BlueMatt summed it up nicely in a reply to
Gavin:
thestringpuller: "Again, why don't all devs that against this blocksize change come together, and ELI5 to the rest of us what are the cons. ELI5 is important if you want the public to understand your points. So for now
Gavin has me convinced the change is necessary. Please Please Please...." to which someone replies "Heaven help us if we ever encounter an issue that requires more than a five-year-old's intelligence."
mircea_popescu: and if people have to test things in negative three days, fuck people. handler said,
gavin & mike do, that's how "standards committees" work in the us.
mircea_popescu: this is a non-issue. there's no homesteading in software. some derps using X language don't acquire some sort of "rights", just like
gavin, that "bitcoin chamber of commerce" pageant chick or max keiser did not acquire any sort of property over bitcoin by derping on the margins of it with abandon.
btcdrak: I would be super surprised if
gavin's proposal gets through. seems like there is a lot of opposition from coredevs thankfully.
mircea_popescu: the only economists qualified to discuss bitcoin are here, and afaik the consensus is "
gavin is too dumb to understand how ridiculous he is"
jurov: and
gavin's bitcoin ninja
mircea_popescu: gotta love
gavin's move from his blog to this thing where there's no comments. clearly, the man has a lot of support o.O
pete_dushenski:
gavin: "The ten-minute settlement time of blocks on the network is not fast enough for those problems," << so... go diddle litecoin.
williamdunne: bitcoin doesn't take over through convincing random fuckwit of "more benefits". bitcoin takes over by raping the state. permanently. <<< See, I totally agree with this. But this is why I think that there should be bigger blocks (not
Gavin's proposal, but statically bigger). Easier to rape the state surely if its less inconvenient and more people can do so
mircea_popescu: nobody can take it seriously with derps a la
gavin, luke, hearn & co involved.
mircea_popescu: biggest impediment to adoption,
gavin, vessenes, "professional" derps and so on.
williamdunne: funkenstein_: Pretty much. I disagree with
Gavin because it essentially makes the blocks infinitely large, but I disagree with some people here because 7tx/s doesn't even cover SWIFT payments
williamdunne: I'm not promoting
Gavin's proposal, as it is definitely stupid
Adlai is increasingly skeptical regarding the relevance of
gavin's blocksize plans
williamdunne: pete_dushenski: From what I can tell the objection you all have is that
Gavin's suggestion is constant inflation, as opposed to the block-size being anything other than 1mb
ascii_lander: l0l as if it wasn't clear that
gavin will not starve or be reduced to honest work
mats: "MIT is no longer the hallowed Library of Alexandria that shared the Lisp Machine and SICP with the world. Today, its made up of showmen and fools like
Gavin, who endeavor to destroy software they don't understand, on behalf of a handler. Your relevance fades, and in a decade your cohorts will disavow any knowledge of you. Enjoy your faux relevancy as long
funkenstein_: "that's great you found somebody to tell you what to do".. i think MP's comments are more respectful of
gavin mircea_popescu: fluffypony if miners actually don't care, how do you explain 50btc/btcguild's demise after their collusion with
gavin last year ?
pete_dushenski: mebbe when john oliver wears holes in his knee pads,
gavin can fill in
ascii_field: to continue with the line of thought, as soon as we so much as frag less than
gavin's turd, someone - anyone - could send us off on a fork of less-retardation.
mircea_popescu: that
gavin [pretends like he] doesn't know such is exactly why the verbiage as to the retarded boy in one of my articles debunking the nonsense.
mircea_popescu: it is kind-of fascinating for me that they were actually this unprepared for
gavin getting headshot.
punkman: yeah but if you still want to fund
gavin, I'm thinking you're a spook
punkman: "A special trust fund is being created and I will donate several 100k to pre-pay
Gavin’s, Wladimirs and some other core devs wage for the next year" << who's this Olivier dude that's gonna pay for
Gavin out of his pocket
BingoBoingo: But Derp still wants to hurp about continuing to feed
Gavin danielpbarron:
gavin has the attention poor people who think that talking about bitcoin makes them a part of it somehow
BingoBoingo: Cogburn>
gavin has the keys. he's "that guy" << Thermos also has a copy of the "Keys"
Cogburn:
gavin has the keys. he's "that guy"
Cogburn: many people. i fully support his threat to fork bitcoin if
gavin's block expansion goes through. he's 100% correct that it is an economic alteration to the network and not simple technical
mircea_popescu: that guardian is an intel asset, and greenwald in particular just
gavin in a different color scheme is again uncontroversial.
ascii_field:
gavin or whoever - isn't he a full-time dev for turdation ?
thestringpuller: just bad feeling seeing summer 2015 as their schedule and this aligns with
gavin wanting to have enough dick's sucked to push his shit into github around then as well
mircea_popescu: except no worthy goals were willing to work with them, and so moved to "default worthy goal" = pay
gavin a salary.
mircea_popescu: anyway,
gavin showed up pretty quick o nthe original lists. to no one's suprirse, nsa does read the stuff, as amply documented.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: i formed this impression because i do not know the actual truth of the extent of collaboration between
gavin et al and satoshi pre-phoundation
mircea_popescu: nubbins` noteven for ronald mc donald /
gavin mcsatoshi / etc ?
cazalla: the trajectory of the sun combined with the police lights and lazer mounted drone caused me to run down mr
gavin by accident
mircea_popescu: the bitcoin rules are defined by what important people use, and as it happens
gavin & co are unimportant.
mircea_popescu: i can see why the
gavin troop would like the defense of "we have already moved the protocol once" to rely on, but it's simply not true.
mircea_popescu: well... you gotta put something up, you know ?
gavin can't run to all of them in his satoshi costume
mircea_popescu: or in other words, they make 250 gsc for no risk, if they believe this theory whereby "people" will "update" to gavincoin on
gavin's say so.
assbot: Logged on 21-01-2015 02:32:01; mircea_popescu: ;;sell 1000 "
Gavin Scamcoins" @ 750 BTC Future delivery. Larger amounts will get you an even better deal. Smaller amounts may be considered.
DanTheBitcoinMan: So what are everyone's thoughts here about
Gavin running around and trying to promote his idea of raising the block size limit? Can anyone point me to a very good argument detailing the reasons this should be avoided?
cazalla: danielpbarron, lol ethereum blocked you? buterin is yet to block me even though i cuss him out 100 worse than i did
gavin