BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: The part where their userbase consists of so many accounts that haven't been used in years
mircea_popescu: basically, they claim 3mn users but from what i've seen it's < 1% eligible womenz, nominally
mircea_popescu: out of which, <1% are active to any reasonable degree.
mircea_popescu: basically... fetlife is the size of my 3rd degree social circle.
BingoBoingo: ^Oh more scoopbot drama, quitting already?
trinque: williamdunne: ey yo, your bot died
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assbot: White House admits: we didn't know who drone strike was aiming to kill | World news | The Guardian ... (
http://bit.ly/1OMMsyv )
decimation: asciilifeform: did you enjoy your tour through central american airports?
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decimation: "While intellectual property seems to be mostly ignored, tradecraft and trade secrets seem to be shared selectively in a complex network of family, friends and trusted colleagues. "
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assbot: Logged on 24-04-2015 00:15:08; mircea_popescu: davout got the job btw ? :D
assbot: Logged on 23-04-2015 23:04:57; ben_cash: i finally found the pet who wanted to come home
davout: their latest solution "check the referer herp derp" leaves me without words
☟︎ assbot: Logged on 23-04-2015 15:41:28; trinque: ben_vulpes: it is currently unknown what an appropriate blocksize would be
davout: if we assume it exists, how do would the value even be determined?
assbot: Logged on 23-04-2015 21:38:54; fluffypony: btw for any b-a'ers in Europe I'm going to be there for the next month, would love to meet up, or you could come to one of the Monero meetups I'll be presenting at (Brussels on May 19th, Paris on May 21st, Berlin on May 24th) or else I'll be presenting at Bitcoinference in Amsterdam on May 30/31
assbot: Logged on 23-04-2015 22:01:31; fluffypony: but he does firmly believe in *embracing regulation* before it cometh
assbot: Logged on 23-04-2015 23:00:51; mircea_popescu: "@FLAdmin: Step 1 is to disallow incoming traffic from the trilema domain (23.235.235.243). This prevents people from using the hyperlinks on his page."
assbot: Logged on 23-04-2015 19:15:18; trinque: your data storing thing should be aware of structure
trinque: varchar(255) not null is structure
trinque: davout: who said a database needed to parse english?
trinque: might be nice if it inforced x always has a y
trinque: and an x is always (x1 x2 x3 x4)
davout: well, you, just pushing that to the extreme to show that, even though i hardly ever use it, this unstructured nosql approach sometimes is useful, and isn't *inherently* evil like you seem to imply
trinque: davout: to be aware of what the verb is your sentence <<
trinque: I'm far too sleepy to be calling things evil, don't see that anywhere
davout: iirc you were discussing some message store thing with $too_lazy_to_fish_in_logs
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trinque: davout: one the one hand there's a discussion of the merits of using relational modeling to represent concepts
trinque: on the other, what's done in a production web system
trinque: I'm too tired for that one at the moment.
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fluffypony: davout: ok cool, the Paris meetup will probably be at the Mozilla offices, I'll confirm closer o the time
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williamdunne: Scoopbot has resurfaced,
https error came up which didn't have any error handling.
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assbot: /orionwl just merged pruning support in /hashtag/Bitcoin?src=hash Core! Run a (no wallet) full node with 1.3 GB storage. Thanks to all who contributed.
BingoBoingo: Yes, let's make syncing even more of a pain
williamdunne: BingoBoingo: It could cause some people to start running full nodes who weren't otherwise, don't think it will make a huge difference
williamdunne: I can't imagine it will remove many full nodes, just add some nodes
williamdunne: And syncing won't be too effected with headers first, although full sync I guess could take a little longer
BingoBoingo: Well, a headers first version has already been released
williamdunne: Yeah, so they'll both be in the same version together so not really an issue
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gribble: Current Blocks: 353489 | Current Difficulty: 4.761056451347126E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 354815 | Next Difficulty In: 1326 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 3 days, 10 hours, 34 minutes, and 57 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 48597211308.5 | Estimated Percent Change: 2.07233
jurov: intentionally accidental
assbot: Logged on 23-04-2015 23:04:57; ben_cash: i finally found the pet who wanted to come home
assbot: Logged on 24-04-2015 03:46:32; decimation: "While intellectual property seems to be mostly ignored, tradecraft and trade secrets seem to be shared selectively in a complex network of family, friends and trusted colleagues. "
assbot: Logged on 24-04-2015 04:35:24; davout: their latest solution "check the referer herp derp" leaves me without words
assbot: Logged on 24-04-2015 04:37:07; asciilifeform: what's next, we can't pick an optimal mains voltage ?
mircea_popescu: which you know... if they could be made differently more people would have access to electrons!
assbot: You rated user mike_c on 25-Jun-2014, with a rating of 3, and supplied these additional notes: We're partners in WoL. He also runs btcalpha.com, which is a standard for Bitcoin reporting..
mircea_popescu: !v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.mike_c.4:653bdc8294b5de053f1d44a45f0cee61dd1fa55e80c9fddf919787223bc8fbb2
assbot: Successfully updated the rating for mike_c from 3 to 4 with note: He's been doing cool shit for years.
mircea_popescu: mike_c can it has anchor on "Ratings sent" and "ratings received" ?
gribble: dub was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 14 weeks, 1 day, 14 hours, 38 minutes, and 33 seconds ago: <dub> thats an interesting one for france given cambodia
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gribble: fabianb was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 20 weeks, 6 days, 19 hours, 35 minutes, and 12 seconds ago: <FabianB> not down but very slow it seems
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mircea_popescu: ;;later tell mike_c also, any idea why some rating comments appear empty ?
dub: my key is secured by lazy
mircea_popescu: not bad, not bad. conference last week, fetlife this week...
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla any idea why assbot keeps finding pages not found ? adds something after url maybe ?
dub: wondered when I would fall off the list
mircea_popescu: jurov i vaguely recall asking kako to reference by ip at some point
dub: hey now! meatspace can be busy
assbot: Logged on 24-04-2015 10:18:03; williamdunne: Sorry, you're right
mircea_popescu: but yes, broadly speaking the efforts of power rangers are irrelevant to bitcoin.
williamdunne: Personally I reckon it'll just have more people running semi-nodes, rather than less people running full
williamdunne: Especially as the blockchain is starting to get too big for cheap VPS systems used for most services
mircea_popescu: i imagine what it'll actually lead to is more people with full nodes running longer shitlists of AOL type nodes.
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BingoBoingo: I really fail to see much difference between the pruning nodes and the pseudo-nodes
williamdunne: BingoBoingo: Pruning nodes can still validate transactions with recent inputs can they not? Or do they store all inputs. Need to read how it works
williamdunne: Whereas pseudo-nodes just tell everyone everything
mircea_popescu: 'pruning' offers a guarantee that the node won't be able to offer you a block which contains all spent outputs.
BingoBoingo: williamdunne: Problem isn't the unspent tx set, it is the blocks
williamdunne: BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I need to read up on it first before commenting
BingoBoingo: It's hard enough to find sync worthy nodes in the wild as is
mircea_popescu: there isn't anything particularly wrong with the approach, much like there isn't anything wrong with holding up a sign, or drinking a cup of coffee.
mircea_popescu: once people involved start imagining that holding up signs / drinking coffee is relevant to bitcoin, they have somewhat of a problem
mircea_popescu: but considering the rest of the problems they have, to them it's minor, and to us... well we didn't care before, either.
williamdunne: Okay, so from a little reading it does seem that they keep the full unspent TX set. While they can't provide all the blocks to someone who wants everything from the genesis it does seem like a pretty big improvement to me - should see a lot more verifying nodes - no?
mircea_popescu: this is not particularly useful tho, once you have 10 nodes doing verification, it's done. what's X gonna find that Y does not ?
mircea_popescu: meanwhile, the important function of nodes is storage.
williamdunne: Verifying nodes are good for those that care about accepting unconfirmed tx/s IIRC
mircea_popescu: it's the usg playbook : give more people the illusion of participation, so you can take more control of the underlying processes.
mircea_popescu: williamdunne explain how ? verification doesn't happen faster for having more nodes doing it.
mircea_popescu: but people who actually care about 0tx are currently in practice and are in theory much better served by just keeping vpn links to actual main nodes.
williamdunne: Thats what most of them do anyway, no? i.e in Electrum
williamdunne: Seems like it can only be beneficial if it moves some away from Electrum and onto verifying nodes
mircea_popescu: anyway, it's a toy, like any other. people learning and kids are more than welcome to their fun, what.
jurov: no it uses stratum/ssl but that's a tech detail
williamdunne: BingoBoingo: They connect to a single node, who you would assume is fairly well connected
BingoBoingo: williamdunne: I really don't see how people could use electrum without their own node/server (hug-e pain)
jurov: BingoBoingo: if you don't mind server knowing your addresses, then it's fine. otherwise, i agree
williamdunne: BingoBoingo: It used to be okay, I wouldn't want to use it now but did its job fine
BingoBoingo: jurov: Yeah. Then there's public servers that just suck. Laggy, don't always send updates, potential chance they could begin lying.
jurov: yes, bitcoin node using real database is needed... then electrum server would only need to add its indexes
mircea_popescu: williamdunne certainly if you keep going at the present rate o.O
williamdunne: BingoBoingo: Yeah, I originally quit using them because I could never connect
williamdunne: mircea_popescu: I have no intention of slowing down
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mircea_popescu: " the line to get on the elevator was a good hour long."
mircea_popescu: who, for what reason, would ever put themselves in this situation ?
assbot: links and to are not registered in WoT.
mircea_popescu: -5anduck1.07483Dec. 22, 2014idiot. does not understand how bitcoin works.
williamdunne: Something about downtime and a vulnerability is what I read on btcalpha but not much detail as to exactly what
mircea_popescu: gribble went down at some point. this is rare, but whatever, happens. nanotube was also unresponsive. after a few days in this position assbot got enabled to wot
☟︎ mircea_popescu: turns out the guy was just traveling at the time (was right around the new year).
mircea_popescu: well at that time you couldn't tell what happened. for all you know, nano was usg-kidnapped.
mircea_popescu: wot is a crucial bit of infrastructure, and so it's watched and protected accordingly.
williamdunne: It'd be nice if they could connect, especially as they can still verify the signatures on each.
williamdunne: Yeah I understand why it was done - not criticizing it at all
mircea_popescu: in fairness, prolly a lot more crucial here than in -otc, so some sort of decoupling was probably unavoidable.
mircea_popescu: williamdunne there was some discussion re making them communicate, but no concrete steps towards gribble becoming able to sign its stuff so far.
williamdunne: Yeah not exactly a big software job. Can be done in a few hours if that
mircea_popescu: what i imagine is the case is - nano was planning to make an upgraded gribble for what, coupla years now. he's probably thinking to have it done in one piece.
mircea_popescu: speculating because well, never heard anything specific on the topic.
williamdunne: Kinda pathetic if you've been intending to do something for a couple of years and it still hasn't happened (assuming the only constraint is time)
mircea_popescu: besides, erryone gets to set their own priorities and so on.
williamdunne: Sure, but even the bottom of my list can expect to be done within 6 months
pete_dushenski: let's see if this testpost works on scoopbot_revived...
pete_dushenski: lol you dun understand how sad i was when i first scanned the logs for the post i published early early this morning/late last night... and it wasn't there
williamdunne: Yeah it broke this morning because there was some error checking missing and btctrading broke it
williamdunne: pete_dushenski: Oh, and mike did a new trust thingy
mircea_popescu: "Your browser does not currently recognize any of the video formats available. Click here to visit our frequently asked questions about HTML5 video."
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski also in the news, you didn't send a pingback.
pete_dushenski: well trackbacks, but i know what you mean. the things are borked
pete_dushenski: i've received the last few from qntra, but missed a few before that..
pete_dushenski: pretty sure the last one from trilema didn't come through
[]bot: Bet placed: 1 BTC for Yes on " BTC to top $350 before 1st July"
http://bitbet.us/bet/1135/ Odds: 32(Y):68(N) by coin, 32(Y):68(N) by weight. Total bet: 15.89313103 BTC. Current weight: 94,793.
mircea_popescu: "The issuers paid 11,450 LTC and 210 BTC in listing fees, respectively."
gribble: burnside was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 year, 39 weeks, 0 days, 19 hours, 18 minutes, and 31 seconds ago: <burnside> lol
mircea_popescu: " and in a memorable email exchange said it was investigating exchange MPEx owner Mircea Popescu over the sale of popular gambling site SatoshiDICE for over $11.5m in bitcoin."
gribble: justusranvier was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 28 weeks, 1 day, 13 hours, 57 minutes, and 9 seconds ago: <justusranvier> On the plus side, this arrangement means I can run Skype in a virtualized sandbox that's far away from my real desktop
williamdunne: I still don;t understand who the hell would launch that from inside the US? Like srsly. Its not even opsec at this point, its just about not being goddam mentally handicapped
mircea_popescu: the guy had issues. if you think you can swallow a tractor, then by the same head you will probably also think you can swallow it underwater.
mircea_popescu: it's this entire "empowerment" idiocy going around the english space these decades.
williamdunne: Then again, thats kinda hypocritical because I treat my own aspirations with that mentality
mike_c: mircea_popescu: yes, I'll add JS sorting to the tables that fit on a page.
mike_c: re: empty comments, some ratings don't have a comment.
mircea_popescu: mike_c from experience, even tables with > 10k entries are sortable. just takes a sec.
mircea_popescu: but it only engages if someone clicks a header. so pretty safe.
mike_c: yeah. for the main table (7500 users), I'll make a separate page with the whole list.
gribble: artifexd was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 day, 15 hours, 45 minutes, and 22 seconds ago: <artifexd> I'm comfortable calling it a review. Not just of what it is but what it was and how it got to where it is.
mats: > Yubikey NEO (JavaCard OpenPGP) private key operations can be accessed without PIN
mircea_popescu: well if they make it so it can also be accessed without a card, i'm probably getting an infinity of them.
assbot: reddit_sucks2 comments on Charlie Shrem gets 2 years in prison for selling bitcoins while former CIA director gets 2 years probation for telling a whore national security secrets. ... (
http://bit.ly/1d99XG8 )
mircea_popescu: doesn't this disparity seem scandalous ? whence the gall to "punish" a cia boss.
mircea_popescu: i'd be seriously insulted if i actually were to take the us seriously.
BingoBoingo: I'm just surprised at the outrage over calling a woman who traded sex for advantage an applicable label
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: so... trackback ? thoughts on poem narration ?
BingoBoingo: Nah, that was the other mistress. MistressLeak lack the appropriate social background
williamdunne: Not sure what that guy thinks he is doing in the background
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski and i resent trackbacks ten minutes ago or os.
pete_dushenski: lol there's no masking the bare fact that my voice is... my voice.
pete_dushenski: in any event, i was reasonably pleased with the result.
pete_dushenski: some of the flows in that poem were awkward to say the least
pete_dushenski: 'every single feather of each single dove' wants to be 'every single feather of every single dove'
mircea_popescu: it's made like a gauntlet for the reader, that's for sure.
pete_dushenski: sea you see wasn't bad at all, i quite liked that line
mike_c: uh oh, btcalpha has officially jumped the shark now :)
BingoBoingo: Seriously, mike_c You almist might have to get back to monthly blogging. Maybe even speed up to weekly
mike_c: yeah, I got to get back to it.
Pierre_Rochard: williamdunne: I had to get one when my home IP address started getting DDOSed
williamdunne: If that happens I'll go for it, retroactively though. It'd be an inconvenience at most
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 900 @ 0.00202686 = 1.8242 BTC [+] {13}
mats: AMZN ticker is ridiculous
mats: closed yesterday at 390 with uncertainty premium due to earnings report, opens at 440
funkenstein_: people love the unverifiable numbers they reported i guess
funkenstein_: i should take that back, I have no clue who the relevant market makers are here
mats: i started buying AMZN after it became clear they had intentions of becoming a USG contractor
☟︎ assbot: Here are the most cringeworthy chat messages that landed Deutsche Bank with a US$2.5B rate-rigging fine | Financial Post ... (
http://bit.ly/1Gr3nHD )
williamdunne: "There is the near entirety of bitcoin's market cap gone"
Pierre_Rochard: also, traders getting blamed for poorly designed “market” mechanisms… I liken it to the stanford prison experiment - what exactly were you expecting?
williamdunne: "COULD WE PLS HAVE A LOW 6MTH FIX TODAY OLD YID?"
Pierre_Rochard: well - some of the execs who designed this certainly deserve blame, some of which may coincidentally be bankers/jooz… all of them likely long retired/dead
Pierre_Rochard: but really I’d cast blame on the lemmings who use LIBOR for everything and anything
pete_dushenski: not sure how much of a coincidence it is that those in positions of influence, who needed to be leveraged by the state and 'the consumers who've come to expect', would be bankers and/or jooz
pete_dushenski: so the state leveraged those of influence, and were leveraged in turn
pete_dushenski: and the incentives inherent in large organisations became manifest until we arrived here.
Pierre_Rochard: my point was only that traders gonna trade. The real cringeworthiness happened in 1984 when some old beans decided this was an acceptable way of doing business
williamdunne: pete_dushenski: Is it not generally accepted that banking/law etc is engrained into Jewish culture
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assbot: You rated user mike_c on 22-Apr-2014, with a rating of 3, and supplied these additional notes: live human, cellular automata, jolly good fellow.
assbot: Successfully updated the rating for mike_c from 3 to 4 with note: expert infrastructural welder, skeptical voice, jolly good fella. met in the flesh.
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williamdunne: pete_dushenski: A world where Jews are over-represented in banking and law?
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pete_dushenski: williamdunne: define 'over-represented'. compared to what ? somalis ?
BingoBoingo: First adult Joo I met IRL drove choo choo trains
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pete_dushenski: williamdunne: human skill and intelligence aren't on a gaussian distribution. average is meaningless in this context and by extension any relationship to it.
assbot: Successfully added a rating of 1 for mthreat with note: met in the flesh. aeronaut.
williamdunne: pete_dushenski: Doesn't seem irrelevant when comparing subsets of the wider context
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assbot: You rated user hanbot on 24-Apr-2014, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: had the honour of meeting this user in person..
pete_dushenski: williamdunne: that's like saying that crack cocaine makes a lot of sense when you're living among homeless people in dumpsters.
pete_dushenski: williamdunne: you have no business over there in the first place
assbot: Successfully updated the rating for hanbot from 1 to 3 with note: had the honour of meeting in the flesh. author of 'shall be delivered.' guiding light from beyond the barbed wire.
williamdunne: pete_dushenski: I'm not suggesting I have any issue with it, if thats what you mean
assbot: You rated user davout on 22-Apr-2014, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: human!.
pete_dushenski: williamdunne: not at all. and nor do i. just that the context has never and will never be evenly distributed. so no averages. so no predictions. no 'over-represented'
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mike_c: the conference generally sparks a rash of ratings.
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nubbins` received a copyright infringement notice from his ISP on behalf of HBO yesterday
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☟︎ nubbins`: but... gpg: BAD signature from "IP-Echelon Compliance <compliance@ip-echelon.com>"
assbot: Successfully added a rating of 2 for danielpbarron with note: pogoplug tester for therealbitcoin. enthusiastic hunter of lamers. plus a player of actual 'sokoban' in meatspace.
nubbins`: SOOOOO guess i'm gonna go ahead and ignore
danielpbarron: i had to look that word up. seems to mean "warehouse keeper"
☟︎ pete_dushenski: nubbins`: i heard about these being sent out. didn't know they came pgp-signed!
nubbins`: well, they come "pgp"-"signed"/
nubbins`: asciilifeform unfortunately, sprayed-on PGP indicates to me that this email is fraudulent
nubbins`: and i have explicitly not been notified of any infringement activity
williamdunne: nubbins`: Wait, did you have to type in the PGP sig?
nubbins`: ^ lelelel there's ONE google result
nubbins`: aww, they have their own infringement XML schema
nubbins`: <Severity>Normal</Severity> <<< phew
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nubbins`: !rate asciilifeform 2 capable wizard, does things
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mike_c: yes, kako dumps the DB daily and I suck it up.
nubbins`: that's what the lady said to the sailor
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mike_c: hehe. it's kakos all the way down.
mats: pgp sig is SOP for DMCA notices
☟︎ nubbins`: is it SOP for the sig to be invalid?
nubbins`: this is like being arrested by a cop with a tin badge
☟︎ mats: what are you doing to trigger an HBO infringement notice? try to catch some GoT on TPB?
Pierre_Rochard: re msft: “Sales of Office 365 Home and Personal subscriptions were up 35 percent sequentially” <= people can’t afford to “own” office anymore, they rent it one month at a time
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Pierre_Rochard: leftists speak of financialization of the economy over the past ~40 years, seems as though this new era is timeshareization
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assbot: Logged on 23-04-2015 16:16:55; mircea_popescu: we might well discover that actually 1mb is way too much, and all we can afford is less.
Adlai: hashrate dropping too low -> need to increase mining subsidy, either by raising btc/fiat, or increasing tx fee competition
☟︎ Adlai: the nice thing about reducing blocksize is that the N largest miners could just agree to not produce larger blocks, and that would raise tx fees through market forces
☟︎ assbot: Logged on 21-01-2015 18:35:01; gavinandresen: Pierre_Rochard: if Satoshi hadn’t slapped on a 1MB blocksize limit, would you be lobbying for a hardfork now to impose one?
Adlai: bitcoin inflation relative to fiat prices is high enough that it's a non-issue... atm
Adlai: let's see what happens in a halving or two :)
Pierre_Rochard: I think it’s an issue today if we take into account NPV calculations - if gavincoin has zero future fee revenue, that has an immediate effect on the expected return of mining over the long run. Not sure that it would move the needle on today’s asic capex
☟︎ Pierre_Rochard: (having uncertainty around it alone increases the npv discount rate)
☟︎ Adlai is increasingly skeptical regarding the relevance of gavin's blocksize plans
Adlai: let's say that i'm equally worried about gavincoin and the bitlicense
☟︎ Pierre_Rochard wishes those advocating for larger block size limit realized the current limit is having _zero_ effect on adoption/price and that will continue to be the case for a while if not forever
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Adlai: but but but fees are driving pay-to-dust sites out of business
Adlai: we must preserve bitcoin's core business model!
williamdunne: Pierre_Rochard: In fairness thats about the same as saying my internet speeds today aren't affecting my ability to do things, so it won't in the future.
assbot: Logged on 24-04-2015 18:45:19; Adlai: the nice thing about reducing blocksize is that the N largest miners could just agree to not produce larger blocks, and that would raise tx fees through market forces
☟︎ Pierre_Rochard: williamdunne: it’s the same as saying your internet provider can continue charging you through the nose and you’ll continue thanking them for the privilege - inelasticity of demand
assbot: Logged on 24-04-2015 18:51:37; Adlai: let's say that i'm equally worried about gavincoin and the bitlicense
assbot: Logged on 24-04-2015 18:50:38; Pierre_Rochard: (having uncertainty around it alone increases the npv discount rate)
williamdunne: Pierre_Rochard: 1mb blocksize is inelasticity of supply, is it not?
williamdunne: I'm not promoting Gavin's proposal, as it is definitely stupid
williamdunne: But does seem like the block-size will need to increase at some stage(s) if we're to continue growth
☟︎ Pierre_Rochard: williamdunne: yes, supply inelasticity meets demand inelasticity -> high transaction fees -> high hash rate -> maximize security
williamdunne: Pierre_Rochard: But also makes it less appealing. Security isn't the only objective
danielpbarron: when did rome fall? at what point is caesar no longer caesar?
Adlai: davout: both gavincoin and the bitlicense are clouds on the horizon. some people sell coins for raincoats and umbrellas... though they may be wiser to stick a wet finger in the air
funkenstein_: high TX fees also compete with off chain solutions
Pierre_Rochard: williamdunne: I agree, demand destruction is part of revenue maximization, pushes the hoi polloi onto off-chain alternatives
ben_vulpes: <williamdunne> But does seem like the block-size will need to increase at some stage(s) if we're to continue growth << dude again with this growth bugaboo
Adlai: oh i know how we can turn reddit against gavincoin... the blocksize limit is good for changetip!
williamdunne: Pierre_Rochard: Would it not be preferable to be in a situation where blocks are routinely filled at low-ish fees.
williamdunne: ben_vulpes: I know you disagree, but I personally would like to see more people/companies/whatevers using bitcoin
davout: Adlai: the bitlicense is to bitcoin what US raw milk regulations are to roquefort, not fucking worth the mention
☟︎ danielpbarron strongly suspects that the greatest impediment to growth is cleaning up the code
☟︎ Adlai: williamdunne: and i would like to see the people who _use_ bitcoin paying for its security, rather than the people who hold it
Pierre_Rochard would vote for “time” as the strongest impediment to growth
Adlai: "use" as in "spend"
ben_vulpes: williamdunne: the people i want using bitcoin take one look at the source and run screaming, as they should
☟︎ Adlai: the security is being paid for one way or another; currently, the main way is inflation
williamdunne: Adlai: We're in agreement there, I'm not suggesting that we're ever to put ourselves in a position where blocks are huge and no-one is paying. I'm just suggesting that 1mb is no way near enough for bitcoin to be bigger than it is today
danielpbarron: that the network could still accidentally fork over a bug is the reason we aren't seeing billions and trillions invested into bitcoin
funkenstein_: i think the point is more people can use bitcoin at any block size.
williamdunne: funkenstein_: Pretty much. I disagree with Gavin because it essentially makes the blocks infinitely large, but I disagree with some people here because 7tx/s doesn't even cover SWIFT payments
Adlai: danielpbarron: well, that can always be the case... we can decrease the perceived risk through simpler code, testing, and more time since the last accidental fork, but yknow, "unknown unknowns"
williamdunne: danielpbarron: I'm not suggesting that bitcoin replaces SWIFT just to be clear.. I just meant because it covers giga+ payments
ben_vulpes: williamdunne: stop thinking swift, start thinking halawa
danielpbarron: let the former swift users figure out how to fit through the new hole
Adlai: stop thinking either, start thinking tankers full of gold
Adlai imagines hawala also has higher throughput and lower transaction importance than the hypothetical bitcoin-in-ten-halvings
jurov: anyone thought about how the bitcoin hawala ought to work?
williamdunne: jurov: I designed a similar-ish system based on a network of brokerages
ben_vulpes: no no, not the halawa for the muslim at the mosque
Adlai: lightning is precisely bitcoin hawala
Adlai feeds the head, bbl
funkenstein_: payment channels sound great, trustless off-chain TX heaven
jurov: !s asciilifeform timelock
jurov: and other discussion. it has its problems
ben_vulpes: you can push single satoshis around on mpex
jurov: ben_vulpes: you stretch it too much
jurov: the hawala definition
jurov: or you came up with this new term - halawa?
ben_vulpes: i was always under the impression that there was no single hawala network.
ben_vulpes: how could there be? it is of necessity a meatwot thing.
funkenstein_: as i see it these channels will require private TXs, that is given directly to miners, to avoid malleability issues
ben_vulpes: (entirely aside, in a fevered moment of sleeplessness on the plane from bsas i looked into ripping out the nonstandard transaction relay blocking stuff)
jurov: traditional hawala seems to work without much technology, why sudden need to introduce nonstd or private TXs?
ben_vulpes: (subject of, davout how goes the testnet excision? my digs show less than 50 mentions throughout the whole codebase)
funkenstein_: afaik hawala doesn't come with failsafe refunds in case somebody goes awol
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ben_vulpes: ya well stop trying to impose derpy fiat notions on bitcoin
ben_vulpes: either trust your counterparties and deal with them, or don't and don't.
ben_vulpes: none of this half-assed "dear state or magic maths please save me from my own derpitude"
davout: funkenstein_: malleability is currently being soft-forked away by power rangers
ben_vulpes: davout: a change to block inclusion rules?
funkenstein_: davout, is that all ok and likely to be folded into reference impls?
davout: ben_vulpes: testnet excision is easy, making the genesis block configurable is the harder part, you also need some standalone tool to generate genesis blocks
ben_vulpes: write a standalone wallet while yer at it :P
ben_vulpes: (i was just thanked by someone who plugged into the same outlet as me. wtf.)
ben_vulpes: (outletpair, actually, and the unused one.)
davout: funkenstein_: dunno, if i'm asked i'm all for canonical txids
davout: ben_vulpes: so my plan is to start bu something easier, probably ripping out the "accounts" braindamage to get familiar with the build and patching process
funkenstein_: if it is as simple as adding a SIGtype, that sounds fine but my understanding was there was still some subtleties on the table and gmaxwell said wait 2 years
funkenstein_: ben_vulpes, well in fairness you do have less current available now :)
davout: funkenstein_: not sure what exactly is implied, so i'll refrain from commenting further
davout: interested in references if you have any available
ben_vulpes: davout: aren't txids canonical after block inclusion?
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davout: ben_vulpes: whichever is included in a block is frozen in the amber, but it's not necessarily the version that has canonical DER-encoded sigs
trinque: davout | well, you, just pushing that to the extreme to show that, even though i hardly ever use it, this unstructured nosql approach sometimes is useful, and isn't *inherently* evil like you seem to imply << there is no such thing as unstructured data, only a question of how rigorously structured it is, and what is used to enforce that.
trinque: the enforcement of structure can live in the component you're using to store data, or in your application layer
trinque: to the extent that you choose to implement it yourself in an application layer, your efforts will approach what is already present and has 40+ years of research behind it in relational databases
trinque: you'll reinvent constraints, referential integrity, transactions, so on and so on
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Pierre_Rochard: trinque: I’ve seen this first hand. Unfortunately the reinvention doesn’t happen until problems arise and the sunk costs prevent a switch to SQL
trinque: Pierre_Rochard: indeed, I've done it to myself
Pierre_Rochard: “painted into a corner” is the phrase that comes to mind
assbot: Logged on 24-04-2015 15:01:11; williamdunne: Eh, not too concerned about it
assbot: Logged on 24-04-2015 16:12:23; mats: i started buying AMZN after it became clear they had intentions of becoming a USG contractor
assbot: Logged on 24-04-2015 16:16:52; williamdunne: I suppose the "cringe" is about how brazen it was
davout: trinque: nah, my point was that the rdbms-should-enforce-all-structure approach isn't very sensible, unless you're ok eventuall ending up with a spelling and grammar checker for your text fields
trinque: maybe we are talking past each other
trinque: davout: however, what's wrong with a before trigger that does precisely that?
trinque: there's no real reason why the db can't be involved in application logic
trinque: postgresql for example is highly programmable
assbot: Logged on 24-04-2015 16:47:53; pete_dushenski: williamdunne: not at all. and nor do i. just that the context has never and will never be evenly distributed. so no averages. so no predictions. no 'over-represented'
assbot: Logged on 24-04-2015 16:56:32; danielpbarron: pretty user interface is driving adoption!
davout: trinque: i'm not getting dragged into "where should application logic live" debates :-)
assbot: Logged on 24-04-2015 17:02:05; nubbins`: of note: the text of the notice was PGP-signed
assbot: Logged on 24-04-2015 17:03:46; danielpbarron: i had to look that word up. seems to mean "warehouse keeper"
trinque: davout | trinque: i'm not getting dragged into "where should application logic live" debates :-) << can be quite enjoyable as long as one's not personally attached to the outcome
trinque: obviously any truism in systems design can be undone by a particular case
davout: on a completely unrelated note, has anyone here ever had lasik surgery?
assbot: Logged on 24-04-2015 17:21:58; asciilifeform: !rate kakobrekla 4 expert infrastructural welder. holds up the sky.
davout: just had it, looking for some feedback wrt dry eyes
davout: i have like 4 different ones
davout: i keep feeling like "hey, i should take my contacts off, they're getting dry", except there are none to take out
davout: sticky eyelids? no thanks
mircea_popescu: but srsly : should prolly talk to the doctor. iirc this is an early sympthom.
assbot: Logged on 24-04-2015 17:24:04; mats: pgp sig is SOP for DMCA notices
mircea_popescu: then they get butthurt when people say they have nfi what they're doing.
assbot: Logged on 24-04-2015 17:25:09; nubbins`: this is like being arrested by a cop with a tin badge
assbot: Logged on 24-04-2015 18:40:54; Adlai: hashrate dropping too low -> need to increase mining subsidy, either by raising btc/fiat, or increasing tx fee competition
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chetty: paypal says they are changing the tou to include this
trinque: where do they have a place to post content?
trinque: like if you upload a logo to your payment page, you don't own that logo?
chetty: so it would seem not sure what 'providing us with content means', just selling thing via them?
trinque: seems like uploading a png is providing content yeah
mircea_popescu: so wait, they seriously expect a claim in the trademarks of everyone selling through them ?!
chetty: well thats how it reads to me, but I not lawyer :P
assbot: Logged on 24-04-2015 18:49:21; Pierre_Rochard: I think it’s an issue today if we take into account NPV calculations - if gavincoin has zero future fee revenue, that has an immediate effect on the expected return of mining over the long run. Not sure that it would move the needle on today’s asic capex
assbot: Logged on 24-04-2015 18:53:59; Pierre_Rochard: I’m pro-bitlicense, render unto caesar...
mircea_popescu: stuff like "herp, polyanna boring printed herself a princess crown".
Pierre_Rochard: well I’m a gaullist, I tend to respect sovereignties as a matter of realpolitik
mircea_popescu: o yeah ? how many tank divisions does the city of new york have ?
Pierre_Rochard: only need a swat team to raid a btc<->fiat exchange, they have a few
assbot: Logged on 24-04-2015 18:54:24; assbot: Logged on 24-04-2015 18:45:19; Adlai: the nice thing about reducing blocksize is that the N largest miners could just agree to not produce larger blocks, and that would raise tx fees through market forces
mircea_popescu: Pierre_Rochard only thing that'll accomplish will be exchanges with emplaced mortar batteries and landmine perimeters.
trinque: I believe the term Adlai is looking for is cartel
mircea_popescu: i believe the education adlai lacks is the failure of "cornering the X market" historically.
mircea_popescu: silver being a fine example if one is superficial enough to only look at one example.
mircea_popescu: but, very simply put : the hand of the market is the hand bitchslapping you. the market is not your mother.
assbot: Logged on 24-04-2015 18:57:06; williamdunne: But does seem like the block-size will need to increase at some stage(s) if we're to continue growth
mircea_popescu: on an infinite timeline everything's equally likely, for one thing. so define your timeline. once you do that, how do you know + from - ?
mircea_popescu: mike_c : Num Ratings, Average Rating, Average Rating (Magnitude) can get a tooltip definition/explanation ?
assbot: Logged on 24-04-2015 19:00:12; davout: Adlai: the bitlicense is to bitcoin what US raw milk regulations are to roquefort, not fucking worth the mention
davout: iirc someone managed to build the reference implementation on OSX amirite?
assbot: Logged on 24-04-2015 19:00:14; *: danielpbarron strongly suspects that the greatest impediment to growth is cleaning up the code
davout: mircea_popescu mod6 ty
mircea_popescu: biggest impediment to adoption, gavin, vessenes, "professional" derps and so on.
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assbot: Logged on 24-04-2015 19:00:59; ben_vulpes: williamdunne: the people i want using bitcoin take one look at the source and run screaming, as they should
mircea_popescu: nobody can take it seriously with derps a la gavin, luke, hearn & co involved.
assbot: Logged on 24-04-2015 19:04:56; williamdunne: Where fees are the norm
mircea_popescu: for one thing, a small fraction of swift movements are ~actual~ settlement transactions.
mircea_popescu: if the banks had to make swift work with 500 txn/day, they would, and nobody would ever know.
mircea_popescu: there's only ~100 of them even needing it daily, and they could just do hourly settlements among each other and be fine.
mircea_popescu: that they don't has everything to do with the fact that swift consts nothing (and provides nothing). bitcoin costs something, and it provides something for that cost. in spades.
assbot: Logged on 24-04-2015 19:15:24; funkenstein_: afaik hawala doesn't come with failsafe refunds in case somebody goes awol
assbot: Logged on 24-04-2015 19:23:28; ben_vulpes: davout: aren't txids canonical after block inclusion?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform key churning started yet ? i kinda wanna peek at top while it's going
assbot: Logged on 24-04-2015 15:01:11; williamdunne: Eh, not too concerned about it
mircea_popescu: A. "In some ways, one could argue that our boss fills some roles of the man we are in a relationship with. He supports us financially, ensures we have a safe place to live, and has to accommodate our emotional instability in the work place. Is it really all that unfair of him to expect to enjoy some of the perks of being in a relationship with us, if he so chooses?"
mircea_popescu: B. "I have had sex with almost every boss I’ve ever had. I found myself doing things to please them that I would never do for my husband."
mircea_popescu: C. "I’ve got a habit of fucking my bosses too. They’re in a position of power over me, and for at least part of the day they’re my owners, so they should be able to reap the benefits of that."
BingoBoingo: williamdunne: The reddit police tried to impound this place with a Denial of Service bot, hard to tell if they will be back
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: It's what the 502 guy called himself
BingoBoingo: Gotta take seriously that the idiots believe their pretenses
BingoBoingo: Anyways, who is truly to say that reddit wouldn't hire pinkertons for $5.15 an hour
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform maybe next conf YOU stay home, send her over then she can do all the whores.
jonvaage: Anyone ever play the board game Diplomacy?
mircea_popescu: the last time i played a board game i was 8, and it was "nu te supara frate". alf, did you have this ? you must've.
mircea_popescu: all sorts of things can end up in. like, a can's worth of peas.
mircea_popescu very naively went to a go friendly tournament in timisoara once, not realising that... kids.
mircea_popescu: they made me play with a very prepubescent 11 yo girl.
mircea_popescu: yeah well, i'm not such a great fan of "competitive" humans.
mircea_popescu: the prima ballerina was never the best ballerina, at least to my taste.
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mircea_popescu: and rarely if at all with a woman neither in a robe nor altogether disrobed.
Adlai would be quite curious to see the mining cartel attempt to corner down a less-than-1mb blocksize, primarily because it would be Actually Good News™
Adlai: how does it feel to be internet famouser
cazalla: mircea_popescu, nope, 8chan is the 4chan replacement seeing moot got cucked
BingoBoingo: 8chan is where the 4chan refugees went when moot went derpitty herp herp
mircea_popescu: i thought it's where all the privileged white maletriarchs go to be horrible and chauvinistic and encourage rape and stuff ?
mircea_popescu: cazalla for some stupid reason that loads nothing for me.
mircea_popescu: intel points out 8chan owner was actually in here at some point.
cazalla: mircea_popescu, meh not really missing anything anyway
Pierre_Rochard: it covers everything outside the overton window, with a good dose of humor and absurdity to boot
mircea_popescu: but the defense claimed that if they give out that key they will expose all past traffic.
mircea_popescu: "I only have the keys that govern communications into and out of the network, and those keys are used to secure the traffic for all users, not just the user in question."
mircea_popescu: it's not very clear, but perhaps your reading is correct
mircea_popescu: seems kinda contorted, the ssl key is used to "secure" pgp'd info ?
mircea_popescu: schmucks can just keep a copy of yest's js and DIFF IT!!11
mircea_popescu: just have it use your own file for js instead of the one linked by server.
Pierre_Rochard: ^ I’m surprised it’s not a bigger attack vector for online banking hijacks (or is it? unfamiliar with ~ cyber crime ~)
mircea_popescu: Pierre_Rochard places that are serious about online banking mandate use of ie 10! and they get their sexurity as activex implants!
Pierre_Rochard: mircea_popescu: here’s a joke for you - I run a WinXP 32 bit VM so that I can use 32 bit IE8 so that I can access online bank
mircea_popescu: i do have some acct manager ppl who are technically bank clerks that i contact via pgp, which is a greast improvemnent over phone and i have nfi how they get into the systems
mircea_popescu: but prolly the magic of "inside the firewall no security is needed"
mircea_popescu: linked for "Slimy folks like “Busta Troll” are hijacking Facebook pages of conservatives, replacing the content with goats and anti-conservative messages. Some believe a goat is used because it is a Satanic symbol; many of the conservatives are targeted because of their Christian or Jewish views."
mircea_popescu: yeah, totally. because idiots that are too stupid to have been online for goatse get to reinvent an alt-universe where "satanism"
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blacktower: hello hello! just learning all of this, won't derp it up. glad to be a part of the community!