assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9000 @ 0.00048803 = 4.3923 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4800 @ 0.00048832 = 2.3439 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30320 @ 0.00049006 = 14.8586 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7480 @ 0.00049099 = 3.6726 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21248 @ 0.00049097 = 10.4321 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35100 @ 0.00048912 = 17.1681 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15500 @ 0.00048578 = 7.5296 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7669 @ 0.00049097 = 3.7652 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1794 @ 0.00049099 = 0.8808 BTC [+]
knotwork: yay, finally got marketcetera's web interface running
knotwork: Marketcetera Tradebase is a web-based reporting application for all of your trading activity.
knotwork: It can be used to view, create and modify positions, trades, accounts and equities.
knotwork: it seems to have no login, as if either its intended you run it in-house or you slap
http auth over it or something
knotwork: just localhost:3000 and its like you are the head of IT for the whole brokerage
knotwork: but, what it talks to on the back end is your marketcetera order router which is hub all these components talk through
knotwork: so maybe its up to the stragegies your strategy engine or router uses to control which consoles can do what
knotwork: it looks like you can do anything but its using FIX protocol to communicate so maybe when you place and order you are not supposed to you will just get a rejected back
EskimoBob: knotwork: did you get the Marketcetera talking to OT?
knotwork: I only a few minutes ago got it to talk at all, to my web browser
knotwork: probably to get it to talk to OT or to MPEx we would need to make a filter that translates FIX protocol orders/commands into OT or MPEx protocol
knotwork: its more for doing things like getting live quote streams from Yahoo Finance and placing orders on the NYSE or a Forex place etc
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34961 @ 0.00049311 = 17.2396 BTC [+]
knotwork: but in principle one should be able to add more currency pairs for USD/BTC and so on, and use it to talk to any bitcoin exchange that can handle FIX protocol
knotwork: and maybe soon also use it to implement bitcoin exchanges and stock-exchanges that can talk to mainstream brokerages and forex exchanges and stockmarkets
EskimoBob: but first things first ... how to get that damn GLBSE bs resolved :)
knotwork: it looks like marketcetera could implement distributed brokerages
knotwork: since when you design your strategies it looks like you could easily send all your orders to umpteen places at once
knotwork: so you could have servers all around the world with order places on any of them propagated to all of them
EskimoBob: I do not want to call him again :( . There are pople with way bigger portfolios than me but none of those fucktars have balls to call him up. Instead they spin stupid theories in the forum and scare themselves to believing that shit they write.
knotwork: just set up a strategy that knows not to actually submit any orders from any of your other servers to the stock market, just submit them to your archives
mircea_popescu: EskimoBob what do you suppose calling some loser based in london is to achieve ?
knotwork: it looks like distributed markets should be easy too, since it seems to be designed so you can set up strategies to do things like first see if you can settle orders between your own users, then see if other brokerages might be able to fill them, and only end up going to NYSE or whatever if brokerages cannot settle it among themselves
knotwork: clearly this web interface though it not for customers to come visit on your machine with their browsers
knotwork: it is for them to visit on their own machine's localhost:3000 with their browsers
knotwork: consulting their own machine's mysql database for their own positions and accounts and such
knotwork: and running their own order routing service on their own machine to route their orders to whichever exchanges or brokerages etc based on their own routing strategies
knotwork: so basically its for "power users", brokers and such
knotwork: "Marketcetera has captured with great clarity what an emerging high technology hedge fund is looking for. Their software is open, clear, powerful, broker-independent, and simple to get up and running."
knotwork: Marketcetera democratizes access to high frequency trading. Our Open Source Automated Trading Platform provides you with the agility to implement your new strategies in moments, even while you reduce your infrastructure costs. Download. Run. Trade.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7300 @ 0.00049311 = 3.5997 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1315 @ 0.00049311 = 0.6484 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39000 @ 0.00049424 = 19.2754 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4485 @ 0.00049447 = 2.2177 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: how many btc would I have to pay you to edit my paper?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 900 @ 0.0004912 = 0.4421 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30700 @ 0.00049141 = 15.0863 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2393 @ 0.00049359 = 1.1812 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31883 @ 0.00049359 = 15.7371 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15376 @ 0.00049359 = 7.5894 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8724 @ 0.00049447 = 4.3138 BTC [+]
gribble: Error: "bc.stats" is not a valid command.
gribble: Error: invalid syntax (<string>, line 1)
EskimoBob: try that help. It send you to a completely useless page
kakobreklaaa: hm still no reply from my casascius order 20 days ago
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31387 @ 0.00049447 = 15.5199 BTC [+]
EskimoBob: sun is up soon and I'll take hike to the the shop to see what happened to "ART" tee/coffee cups
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23237 @ 0.0004912 = 11.414 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21263 @ 0.00049086 = 10.4372 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 296 @ 0.00049447 = 0.1464 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30183 @ 0.00049519 = 14.9463 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13956 @ 0.00049086 = 6.8504 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: "Yes, 2.0 was pretty much the beginning of all this, though I'd prefer the perspective they had when it was implemented as a command-line client."
mircea_popescu: "glbbq errs : became less like mpex" is the objection. yet they can't bring themselves to utter it.
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1day: 0.0033845 / 0.00338456 / 0.00339944 (445020 shares, 1,506.20 BTC), 30day: 0.0001 / 0.00300117 / 0.0034 (2108663 shares, 6,328.48 BTC)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30100 @ 0.0004885 = 14.7039 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1500 @ 0.00048824 = 0.7324 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7383 @ 0.00048369 = 3.5711 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [B.MPCD.A] [PAID] 350000 @ 0.00002 = 7 BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [B.MPCD.B] [PAID] 400000 @ 0.00003 = 12 BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [B.MPCD.C] [PAID] 350000 @ 0.00009268 = 32.43671515 BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20500 @ 0.00048411 = 9.9243 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1600 @ 0.00048444 = 0.7751 BTC [+]
dub: wat is a MH/s worth today
dub: assuming nefario wasnt retarded
dub: I guess you look at price/diff at IPO and go from there
dub: but there are other factors like the general asshole prolapse in the market prior to nefardation
assbot: [MPEX] [B.MPCD.B] [PAID] 400000 @ 0.00004054 = 16.21592105 BTC
dub: without applying any science I'd say somewhere between 0.05 and 0.01
assbot: [MPEX] [B.MPCD.A] [PAID] 350000 @ 0.0001 = 35 BTC
jurov: twitter says something different
mircea_popescu: B.MPCD.A paid a total dividend of 350.00000000 BTC to 350`000 outstanding shares
jurov: twitter shows some 7BTC earlier
kakobrekla: 00:38.04 ( @assbot ) [MPEX] [B.MPCD.A] [PAID] 350000 @ 0.00002 = 7 BTC
mircea_popescu: <assbot> [MPEX] [B.MPCD.A] [PAID] 350000 @ 0.00002 = 7 BTC
kakobrekla: so you are saying i should be fixing this
kakobrekla: wild guess? trailing zero. realliy? dunno till i check sauce.
jurov: so, B.MPCD.A exists no more now?
kakobrekla: the one we discussed a few minutes ago on pm
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 400 @ 0.00048444 = 0.1938 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12441 @ 0.00048444 = 6.0269 BTC [+]
dub: thats the coin after it went to jail
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 10000 @ 0.00005078 = 0.5078 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: "32 stores on Etsy are now accepting the bitcoin currency"
mircea_popescu: what is wrong with people ?! this is like saying 32 myspace pages are now supporting w/e petition >.<
kakobrekla: growing that shit is some fuckup up job.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19059 @ 0.00048444 = 9.2329 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14514 @ 0.00048468 = 7.0346 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3827 @ 0.00048497 = 1.856 BTC [+]
dub: google says its a restaurant
mircea_popescu: well technically saffron is the product, crocus is the plant, zafferano is mostly the plant
kakobrekla: sorry for the poor selection of the word
pigeons: no if you hadn't used that word i wouldn't have learned anything today
dub: wonder how well it grows inside
kakobrekla: dub it wont do. its a very special plant.
kakobrekla: The topic or board you are looking for appears to be either missing or off limits to you.
dub: generally plants are stupid and can be tricked into thinking they are elsewhere/when
kakobrekla: mircea_popescu if you want i can get you some proper bulb
Diablo-D3: seriously, they're like, on a higher plane of existence, man
dub: Diablo-D3: can they link to existant subforums?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11455 @ 0.00048369 = 5.5407 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5445 @ 0.00048339 = 2.6321 BTC [-]
Diablo-D3: out of all of them, I think that has the most powerful meaning
mircea_popescu: as a nice bonus, the person doing that isn't usually black.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17100 @ 0.00048339 = 8.266 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21896 @ 0.00048339 = 10.5843 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11404 @ 0.0004833 = 5.5116 BTC [-]
B0g4r7: What happened to Goat?
B0g4r7: His avatar says he's banned and censored.
Lucidize: Don't worry, I'm not a guy lol :P
B0g4r7: And his posts now stop at Oct 23rd.
mircea_popescu: he says it's because he called theymos out, but my pr chick did the same and she's not banned.
mircea_popescu: there was some sort of conflict there but it's not clear exactly what.
Lucidize: I have to apologise to you for being rude one day, a while back
mircea_popescu: people wonder why we attract so many scammers. well... it's the hush.
Lucidize: I was in glbse and blinded and I see now that what you were saying was very true and you are well informed
Lucidize: Yeah I'm not surprised you don't remember, many ppl would attack you for your views
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4096 @ 0.0004833 = 1.9796 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13500 @ 0.00048284 = 6.5183 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18057 @ 0.00048205 = 8.7044 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7747 @ 0.00048178 = 3.7323 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9197 @ 0.00048178 = 4.4309 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26003 @ 0.00048086 = 12.5038 BTC [-]
dub: so many hilarious facial expressions we'll never see
Diablo-D3: <Romney> Fuck. You know, fuck is such a wonderful word. It describes, pain, pleasure, surprise, and what I do to the American people each and every day.
Diablo-D3: <Romeny> Take my dick out of your mouth before you try to speak.
mircea_popescu: Diablo-D3 not to burts your parade piss, but i don't imagine anyone cares what some union does
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: UAW _is_ the auto industry.
Diablo-D3: this is automatic front page news on everything
Diablo-D3: you dont understand the scope of the UAW
Diablo-D3: they own one of the largest industrial complexes in the US
dub: isnt america a union?
mircea_popescu: dude srsly. some union is sueing the republican candidate, who doesn't want them to get more public money.
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: the UAW directly engaged the President and Congress over the auto bailout.
Diablo-D3: and one of Romney's biggest points was the auto bailout was the worst thing he did besides Obamacare
mircea_popescu: Greg Palast is the author of the New York Times bestseller, "Armed Madhouse" (Penguin Paperback 2007). When Palast, an investigator of corporate fraud and racketeering, turned his skills to journalism, he was quickly recognized as, "The most important investigative reporter of our time" [Tribune Magazine]
mircea_popescu: i hadn't realised just how irrelevant/self referential lefties have gotten in the us.
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: do you understand the problem now?
Diablo-D3: romney just sank his own battleship on the eve of the election
mircea_popescu: UNIONS are not the solution. UNIONS are the problem. Rude, crude, lazy, corrupt BULLIES.
mircea_popescu: dun dun dun. i think this may actually be a net gain for him
Diablo-D3: unions were the solution when it started
Diablo-D3: now they became what they were fighting
dub: the problem with unions is they have become corporations
dub: that and its an easy living for the habitually useless
Diablo-D3: the UAW should have never been allowed to buy up the largest auto manufacturing plant in the US
BTC-Mining: Hey mircea, byt the way, has patrick harnett defaulted?
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: no, unions, _the original kind_, are fine
Diablo-D3: where workers could bind together and fight unfair abusive practices and be legally protected while doing so
Diablo-D3: but its clearly an artifact of times gone past
Diablo-D3: the invention of the Internet has largely made unions pointless.
mircea_popescu: Diablo-D3 well... they kinda were pointless originally, too. but anyway.
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: it was a gamble, but they worked
Diablo-D3: it collapsed a few of the smaller rich people empires and forced the rest to comply
mircea_popescu: they ensured that jobs move out of europe into the us, sure.
dub: they are a counter point to offset the coproration with a competing corporation
Diablo-D3: unions didnt move them into asia though
dub: the good they do is that they need to protect the weak to keep power
dub: adn teh weak do need protection
Diablo-D3: when they threaten people for not joining and also act as the bosses of the workers they protect, theres a problem
mircea_popescu: they don't need any protection. they need incentives to de-weakify.
dub: yes but they need to survive
dub: or it costs us more in the ned
Diablo-D3: the problem there is, the weak are weak because the lack of education
dub: you cant fix it with capitalism
Diablo-D3: who someone is going to be is set in stone by the time they're 6, give or take.
dub: not in its current form anyway
Diablo-D3: we need several generations of intensive education to fix the problem the US has
Diablo-D3: laws wont fix it, unions or the lack thereof wont fix it
mircea_popescu: that problem being, several generations which have been protecred
dub: this, everyone is equal idea and can succeed if they want to is quite obviously a sick joke
mircea_popescu: 16 yos that know you'll protect them from my cock have 0 incentive to learn anything.
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: like, why do you think ending welfare wont work?
Diablo-D3: all its going to do is put a lot of people in prison.
dub: in the end those that can will pay to look after the weak, its nature
mircea_popescu: no, im serious. this paradigm that everyone has to make it is bs.
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: shooting them doesnt even work
Diablo-D3: you dont get the money you invested into them back
Diablo-D3: each person, from birth to 18 years of age, costs $2m.
Diablo-D3: shooting them just flushes that down the drain.
dub: welfare only exists because capitalism depends on it
Diablo-D3: good, the nation doesnt not care about you.
Diablo-D3: Something went wrong in social planning post-WW2.
Diablo-D3: I'm not entirely sure what, its not any single cause doing it.
Diablo-D3: WW2 was a result of social planning.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17200 @ 0.00048197 = 8.2899 BTC [+]
dub: how many new 'trading platforms' per day is bitcoin at now?
dub: it seems to be accelerating
kakobrekla: i always paste the link first and then read it
dub: read? I just comment willy nilly
dub: I sale platform to you yes
dub: very nice and secure
dub: Goodluck Happy Professional Trading LLC LLQY LTP
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15753 @ 0.0004831 = 7.6103 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32083 @ 0.00048494 = 15.5583 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27772 @ 0.00048497 = 13.4686 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27100 @ 0.00048517 = 13.1481 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6783 @ 0.00048552 = 3.2933 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10158 @ 0.00048565 = 4.9332 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17910 @ 0.00048622 = 8.7082 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32000 @ 0.00048803 = 15.617 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20700 @ 0.00048818 = 10.1053 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8500 @ 0.00048829 = 4.1505 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24400 @ 0.00048832 = 11.915 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35800 @ 0.00049074 = 17.5685 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42100 @ 0.00049224 = 20.7233 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18941 @ 0.00049282 = 9.3345 BTC [+]
BTC-Mining: Well once again, if anyone has S.BVPS shares, please PM me and state your rate.
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1day: 0.00048086 / 0.00048744 / 0.00049519 (1607095 shares, 783.37 BTC), 30day: 0.00025015 / 0.00039123 / 0.0005 (85112884 shares, 33,299.26 BTC)
dub: next level 'i'll be in my lab' meme, go
dub: backwards graphs are backwards
dub: fudged I think is being kind
dub: back of the napkin I would say 'pulled directly out of his small intestine' more accurate
dub: at $10 and 30m diff SC is $65 day break even
smickles: 65 days? that's the fudged #, right?
dub: yeah, at least make your bullshit graphs face teh right direction
smickles: thing is, the diff won't stay 30m for 65 days
BTC-Mining: 137 days break even with the SC actually
smickles: can't you calc it with a linnear gain in diff?
dub: you could but it would be equally meaningless
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25859 @ 0.00049282 = 12.7438 BTC [+]
dub: since it wont be linear or predictable at all
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13641 @ 0.00049286 = 6.7231 BTC [+]
smickles: yeah, but i expect it to rise over time
smickles: so why do the calc assuming it stays flat?
dub: also its pointless to do it either way :)
smickles: heh, i'm just glad i got to type lognormal
dub: plenty of speculation that mass GPU dieback occurs on reward half
BTC-Mining: Not sure difficulty will raise that much tho
dub: but once asic are shipping it will skyrocket, no question
mircea_popescu: i for one don't think there's going to be asics in 2012
BTC-Mining: I'd usually expect the difficulty to raise so that profit on current equipment prices is in the 1-3% weekly range
smickles: the first person with the first asic on that first diff period will make a lot of btc, relatively
BTC-Mining: Profit considering expenses, but not equipment's purchase price
dub: at current diff payback is in days
mircea_popescu: smickles this is actually a very interesting problem. the companies have no real incentive to ship
smickles: BTC-Mining: you've noticed price rised laggin on diff increases too?
mircea_popescu: so likely they will ship the entire backlog simultaneously
smickles: mircea_popescu: the must plan to mine like hell as 'testing' untill their actions raise the diff significantly, then ship
dub: mircea_popescu: once important incentive, devs have promised an algo swap if they dont
dub: they will have support of deepbut et all
mircea_popescu: they will have support of old miners against new miners
dub: algo will swap, asic will die
mircea_popescu: if bitcoin allowed them any advantage because of some such crap it'd be doomed anyway
dub: asic vendor will not risk this
dub: in what way can dev be prevented from algo swap if they have mining majority?
mircea_popescu: what, you think where the crowd of 5000 atlas sockpuppets lies matters ?
dub: I have no love for the devs
dub: but I believe they could effect this
smickles: interesting times ahead, anyway
mircea_popescu: bitcoin won't die just because some old boy's club tries to keep newcomers out
dub: nearly identical thing would rise to replace it
mircea_popescu: but anyway. the shipping problem is that companies don't have an incentive to ship for as long as what they're shipping is worth more than what the people paid for it.
dub: probably take years for the failed bitcoin experiment memory to die however
mircea_popescu: once the diff is high enough they'll ship to lock in the payments and avoid refunds
dub: its a captive market
dub: the only problem taht could arise is they fuck it up
dub: surefire way to do that is create a 51% problem
mircea_popescu: in a sense the current dev + gpu miner pools are creating that problem as it is
mircea_popescu: in my eyes the only thing that will ever devalue btc is agreement.
dub: mircea_popescu: I agree that the current mining cabal is dangerous
mircea_popescu: clearly displayed in the "let's stick together" around pirate.
mircea_popescu: patrickharnett is in default, i have to say it. if i don't say it nobody does. buddy-buddy
mircea_popescu: the EXACT system that's the problem with politics in the us, and the EXACT reason we can't use fucken fiat anymore.
dub: point is threat is enough, asic costs a lot to develop
dub: riskign it all by mining a few 10k btc is not smart
mircea_popescu: nobody cares about the toothless threats of some pasty-chested "devs".
dub: im not sure how you figure they are toothless, they have the majority
dub: I don't think it even matters, an algo war will devalue btc as smickles said
dub: asic vendor loses both ways
mircea_popescu: the only value of btc rests on the fact that nobody can actually matter.
smickles: the devs swithcing algos would easily be seen as anti-freemarket, and people might abandon them over that
mircea_popescu: not because they're bad people, but bcause we don't want any respected people.
BTC-Mining: A miner or cartel who controls more than fifty percent of the hashing capacity of the bitcoin mining network has the potential to fraudulently double-spend recent transactions. With majority of hashing power the attacker has the technical ability to mine blocks which do not include a previous spend transactions from the miner but instead include a double spend of the coin. With majority
BTC-Mining: control the potential exists for this double spend even if the transaction had already seen confirmations as those blocks could be overtaken in the attack.
BTC-Mining: The risk lessens of this with each confirmation as the computational advantage the attacker needs grows to a mathematically improbable level and six confirmations is widely accepted as being the amount where the transaction is secure from this attack.
dub: in the long run maybe
smickles: yeah, we'd be better off dropping anti free market peeps
BTC-Mining: We're already waiting for 6 confirmations for big deposits EXACTLY for the 51% attack...
dub: BTC-Mining: there is functionally nothing to be gained from actually using a 51%
mircea_popescu: this is the old anti-dictator argument. i'm just rehashing roman republicanism here.
dub: chicked feed compared to tooling up for asic production
mircea_popescu: BTC-Mining that's a different 51% attack you're thinking of.
mircea_popescu: in the context we;'re discussing 51% simply means the majority decides by what rules the chains are built.
dub: once you succeed at 51% you just lost all your btc value anyway
mircea_popescu: if miner group A uses hashing algo a and miner group B uses hashing algo b
BTC-Mining: If that "51%+" has incompatible rules... then we get a split no?
mircea_popescu: and so the devthreat to change algo only has the merit of the interest of gpu miners, who are doomed anyway
BTC-Mining: One chain with regular users, and one with 100% with their own new rules...
BTC-Mining: That would be a problem if they push it as the official client... who controls bitcoin.org?
dub: imo at that point bitcoin is dead
dub: something else comes up, probalby years later
BTC-Mining: eh, that's actually right. But if there's major change, the official client might need to apply new rules for transactions different from the current
smickles: "official" sounds meaningless in context of a dev-split
dub: there would be no official client, there isnt really now, theres a reference client
mircea_popescu: anyway, i don't think the devs have either the balls or the peabrains to actually go ahead with algo change
dub: anyway, as far a business decision goes its madness to even contemplate
smickles: Lu e-jr has the crazy to try anything he sets his mind to tho
dub: smickles: true and he has a lot of mining support which is scary
smickles: mircea_popescu: you made you money in civil way, didn't you?
mircea_popescu: sure, eligius has all the promise of becoming a fortified compound in utah
dub: smickles: im sure this would factor in to any decision
dub: mircea_popescu: its not just his pool, deepbutt and a few others have backed his quackery before
mircea_popescu: Diablo-D3 here, power crews from out of state are trying to come work in ny. they're turned away BECAUSE THEYRE NOT UNION
smickles: mircea_popescu: oh, not the case?
mircea_popescu: you watch new york return a full complement of teapartiers for the senate.
smickles: so you were born in the 70's, i guess you were too young to make money when romania broke free, eh?
mircea_popescu: everyone thinks ny is blue, they're so pissed at democrats right now it'll happen.
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu is like 14, smickles
mircea_popescu: but romania never had a civil war ? or you mean the revolution ?
smickles: yeah, i guess i conflated the two
smickles: did no one oppose the revolution?
mircea_popescu: a well. fyi, what the romanian revolution was is this : ohio state students taking over the troops, then executing nixon.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28200 @ 0.00049229 = 13.8826 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2000 @ 0.00049 = 0.98 BTC [-]
dub: I think you are putting far to much faith in the ideology of asic vendors, given a choice between mining a few btc which are sure to become nearly worthless at least for a while, and profiting hugely in the long term.. they will ship
mircea_popescu: dub well in practical terms it'll be a miracle if they have anything to ship anyway,.
dub: why? all it takes is money
dub: its not like they are inventing something or breaking ground
dub: they are building an IC
dub: just like millions of other products before them
smickles: yeah, but the % of bitcoin biz that turns out to be a scam after time is high
mircea_popescu: dub they are breaking ground, for one, and it takes 10 to 100x more money than they have.
smickles: well, technically, is there a product on market that does this already?
dub: no but its just producing a hardware fpga
mircea_popescu: it's like saying fucking your wife in the ass is not breaking ground and doesn't require any resources
dub: its not a question of if it can be done
smickles: mircea_popescu: excellent anology
mircea_popescu: i was shocked to find most us couples still don't do it
smickles: she's just small and won't use a plug
dub: you might need to spend up front on some nice wine or flowers
smickles: but i like to think that i'm too big ;)
smickles: it was our anniversary on the 30th just past, as likly to happen then as ever
dub: patience young padawan
dub: you will get those brown wings
smickles: she had to have a c-section tho
mircea_popescu: shows great promise of much enjoyments. just tell her ppl on irc said you should give her tiem
dub: you could go for the 'accident' but its probably not idea for continuing the sport
smickles: the irc argument has worked for other things in the past :D
dub: hitting from back, oops wrong hole
smickles: well, i call successful derailment of conversation
smickles: mircea_popescu: we already had a leash ;)
smickles: maybe i'll try it someday, but she doesn't seem like she'd be good at the dom end
dub: arent you wearign it around your leash^W ring finger?
BTC-Mining: Hmm, right on channel's topic. Guess I'll stay out of it.
dub: asic and anal, not so different
dub: both hurt a little at first
smickles: dub: you mean the thing that makes it more dificult to fend of other women?
dub: smickles: yeah, I jest, be wearing one myself sooner rather than later
smickles: i got less advances before the ring than after,
dub: its not the ring, chicks can smell how full a mans balls are
mircea_popescu: i don't care what antyone says, btc is solid as a rock.
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 10.69308, Best ask: 10.77499, Bid-ask spread: 0.08191, Last trade: 10.77499, 24 hour volume: 47684.46748761, 24 hour low: 10.40000, 24 hour high: 11.20999, 24 hour vwap: 10.87540
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1day: 0.00048086 / 0.00048779 / 0.00049519 (1615081 shares, 787.82 BTC), 30day: 0.00025015 / 0.00039134 / 0.0005 (85097298 shares, 33,302.67 BTC)
dub: I should head home to my sausage wallet
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23100 @ 0.00049016 = 11.3227 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17312 @ 0.00049286 = 8.5324 BTC [+]
smickles: holy shit! eric idle is doin an iama?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8355 @ 0.00049286 = 4.1178 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2250 @ 0.00049399 = 1.1115 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3895 @ 0.00049417 = 1.9248 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39600 @ 0.00049 = 19.404 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29128 @ 0.00049417 = 14.3942 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35500 @ 0.00049 = 17.395 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7277 @ 0.00049417 = 3.5961 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5000 @ 0.000495 = 2.475 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5316 @ 0.00049519 = 2.6324 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19407 @ 0.00049546 = 9.6154 BTC [+]
smickles: omg! mircea_popescu I've got it!
smickles: some more code, and i'll have that market maker bot
smickles: i just need the part where it watches for its orders to be taken by someone else and responds accordingly
smickles: but i figured out the hard part :)
smickles: i.e. where to place standing orders at
smickles: me making btc at the cost of the greater fool, that's what :D
EskimoBob: smickles: market makers usually have some responsibilities like providing liquidity etc
EskimoBob: is that what you are going to do too?
EskimoBob: what if bid side (not you) has no orders? What if ask is gone? Are you buying/selling to/from your own books? etc...
EskimoBob: who sets the rules for you? at what increment can you change prices etc.
EskimoBob: if you have no rules set like that, you are not really a market maker but just another trader executing trades for a client(s)
smickles: heh, EskimoBob i should be providing liquidity on both sides nearly all the time, regardless of others standing orders
EskimoBob: cool, but what happens, if you do not?
smickles: EskimoBob: well, if i don't, then it means that one or more of my basal assumptions was wrong
smickles: mircea_popescu: naw, private thing. unless I really see that more capital will help, and i'm confident the risk is really outweighed by the benefit
mircea_popescu: aha. funny thing, the girl was saying this exact thing to some investment club dood
smickles: i'd prefer to keep all profit to myself :P
smickles: anyway, i'll be off to bed for now; early engagement tomorrow
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23893 @ 0.00049546 = 11.838 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5722 @ 0.00049557 = 2.8357 BTC [+]
dub: one saner post doesnt not a sane person make
dub: but he's earned some points
EskimoBob: most important question... on what exchange are you going to run it?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24100 @ 0.00049266 = 11.8731 BTC [-]
EskimoBob: JoelKatz is riding his ego-trip wave big time :)
dub: am I missing something? or is the alledged link here that they both used email
EskimoBob: He replaced that nose hair picture of himself with a "painting" of himself. Whats next? Will he paint that orange shirt black and add more uniform curls to his wig?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9259 @ 0.00049266 = 4.5615 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14641 @ 0.00049 = 7.1741 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15151 @ 0.00049316 = 7.4719 BTC [+]
EskimoBob: people are writing scary stories to each other in form. Same shit, different day
Chaang-Noi: i see glbse is back up and nefario made his hostage of the account info public/offical
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8259 @ 0.00049 = 4.0469 BTC [-]
Chaang-Noi: UPDATE:Currently recovering bitcoin payments made in error, account closing has been halted until most of this has been recovered
Jackmaninov: but all eyes on Goat who's the *real* criminal /s
EskimoBob: not really. Send back the coin that is not yours and this circus probably moves on
EskimoBob: smickles: there is no "_nearly_ all the time" :)
EskimoBob: only "all the time" unless you can produce digitally signed (by ID card) document from your doctor
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25600 @ 0.00048923 = 12.5243 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7641 @ 0.00048923 = 3.7382 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19149 @ 0.00049316 = 9.4435 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5710 @ 0.0004937 = 2.819 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23800 @ 0.00048887 = 11.6351 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7647 @ 0.00048855 = 3.7359 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3490 @ 0.00048999 = 1.7101 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8610 @ 0.00049112 = 4.2285 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35753 @ 0.00048855 = 17.4671 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11347 @ 0.0004884 = 5.5419 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: am i like the only person on reddit with more link karma than comment karma ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28453 @ 0.0004884 = 13.8964 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23047 @ 0.00048742 = 11.2336 BTC [-]
EskimoBob: "This guy needs to get laid. So much anger over such a small point." - LOL
mircea_popescu: i don't recall that guy's name on reddit but we did have a nice chat on my blog
mircea_popescu: course it didn't come out too clearly what he's about.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13800 @ 0.00048909 = 6.7494 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31700 @ 0.00048909 = 15.5042 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10100 @ 0.00048978 = 4.9468 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13300 @ 0.00048754 = 6.4843 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28053 @ 0.00048742 = 13.6736 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1647 @ 0.0004872 = 0.8024 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14800 @ 0.00048978 = 7.2487 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: its prolly expencive as... hm... as saffron.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3445 @ 0.00048937 = 1.6859 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7136 @ 0.0004872 = 3.4767 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27233 @ 0.0004867 = 13.2543 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22357 @ 0.0004867 = 10.8812 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4143 @ 0.00048585 = 2.0129 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1day: 0.00048086 / 0.00048796 / 0.00049557 (1684503 shares, 821.97 BTC), 30day: 0.00025015 / 0.00039236 / 0.0005 (85146172 shares, 33,408.06 BTC)
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1day: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 30day: 0.0001 / 0.00299494 / 0.0034 (2076191 shares, 6,218.07 BTC)
assbot: [MPEX:S.BVPS] 1day: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 30day: 0.0027501 / 0.00335836 / 0.00350001 (23698 shares, 79.59 BTC)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8671 @ 0.00048585 = 4.2128 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40429 @ 0.00048581 = 19.6408 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P130T] 1 @ 0.26788816 BTC [-]
EskimoBob: never understood why anyone wants to lend BTC (except buy shit like drugs or pr0n)
mircea_popescu: well, mpoe borrows to finance options trading. seems the only legitimate thing so far.
mircea_popescu: Diablo-D3 it's open auction. as much as the filler asks for.
mircea_popescu: well, an almost month. from last friday of one month till the last friday of next month.
mircea_popescu: you do undertake the risk tho. if the bot loses money you're on the hook.
EskimoBob: Chaang-Noi: have you learned nothing? :)
Chaang-Noi: im good at collecting funds for other people
Chaang-Noi: i was kidding... at this point im not doing anything. i explained pirate properly too and well that blew up in my face
Chaang-Noi: so much for letting people do what they want
Chaang-Noi: there is no way im doing anything with btc until all that BS is over...
Chaang-Noi: if they do whatever then yeah it will take a long damn time
Chaang-Noi: was wondering when a bitcoinica clone would start up using thier source code
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5171 @ 0.00048581 = 2.5121 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3000 @ 0.00048553 = 1.4566 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1000 @ 0.00048553 = 0.4855 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller yeah, it lost money once so far. look at the monthly reports
thestringpuller: my investors want a place to put btc money into that is safe
thestringpuller: and the last bond i bought defaulted because people are idiots
mircea_popescu: well, mpoe bonds can make a loss, so they're not really safe in that sense.
mircea_popescu: i used to think the mpcd series was, but that blew up.
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: if the annual gains out pace the annual losses wouldnt it be a net gain? so the bot breaks even annually?
mircea_popescu: realyl, the only month it lost money was the pirate august thing.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19100 @ 0.00048539 = 9.2709 BTC [-]
jurov: bonds are still bought by email?
thestringpuller: the halloween futures changed the market conditions yesterday
jurov: how can one have such mess in database?
Diablo-D3: a payout script like that would take three seconds to do
jurov: am i the only one in this whole mess who has unit tests AND audit script to backward-verify the balances?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17248 @ 0.00048539 = 8.372 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29652 @ 0.00048518 = 14.3866 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13300 @ 0.00048553 = 6.4575 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1897 @ 0.00048518 = 0.9204 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15934 @ 0.00048518 = 7.7309 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3166 @ 0.00048487 = 1.5351 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15729 @ 0.00048553 = 7.6369 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18200 @ 0.00048978 = 8.914 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9971 @ 0.00049112 = 4.897 BTC [+]
jurov: interesting that practically everyone who wants to sell s.mpoe put the order below 0.0005
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4452 @ 0.00049038 = 2.1832 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18247 @ 0.00049112 = 8.9615 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9272 @ 0.00049112 = 4.5537 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28947 @ 0.00049218 = 14.2471 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30400 @ 0.00049127 = 14.9346 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2400 @ 0.00049218 = 1.1812 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18953 @ 0.00049218 = 9.3283 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: jurov : did you know the FIX protocol also uses string representations of integers btw ?
jurov: mircea_popescu, i just did random research and it appears not true
jurov: dunno, it's really whatever i stumbled on
jurov: oh i misunderstood you. i thought you're talking that "FIX also encloses numbers in quotes"
jurov: but then, what's your point?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4900 @ 0.0004926 = 2.4137 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: some guy on the forums said he'd promise to buy btc's at 11 back in july
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20247 @ 0.0004926 = 9.9737 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3500 @ 0.00049081 = 1.7178 BTC [-]
jurov: tried to research venetfx's FSA registration #194835
jurov: it belongs to some completely different entity with defunct website, dates of registration 2001 and 2003
jurov: 17 Feb 2004 Final Dissolution Notice.. so venetfx's FSA number is completely fake, too
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1853 @ 0.00049249 = 0.9126 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4000 @ 0.000493 = 1.972 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21600 @ 0.00049382 = 10.6665 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3470 @ 0.00049388 = 1.7138 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5300 @ 0.00049034 = 2.5988 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11900 @ 0.00049004 = 5.8315 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3400 @ 0.00048881 = 1.662 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10900 @ 0.00049021 = 5.3433 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4100 @ 0.00049034 = 2.0104 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15699 @ 0.00049277 = 7.736 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15496 @ 0.00049021 = 7.5963 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7148 @ 0.00048881 = 3.494 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 806 @ 0.00048869 = 0.3939 BTC [-]
EskimoBob: LOL @ "Facts don't match my ideology so FACTS MUST BE WRONG!!!" <-- /. comment
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19427 @ 0.00048869 = 9.4938 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35749 @ 0.0004886 = 17.467 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 400 @ 0.00048855 = 0.1954 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3851 @ 0.0004879 = 1.8789 BTC [-]
gribble: DeadTerra was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 week, 3 days, 20 hours, 9 minutes, and 56 seconds ago: <DeaDTerra> but I agree there are to much drama and BS
PsychoticBoy: should have kicked some guys in the nuts when I had the chance in London
dub: thats where netardio was building the future of bitcoin right?
Chaang-Noi: with nefario it is really hard to dell the differance between criminal and just being so fucking retarded...
Chaang-Noi: it is hard for me to think he acidently so much
Chaang-Noi: same with intersango and their bitcoinica stuff
dub: luckily unlike criminally insane, criminally retarded is not a valid defense afaik
Chaang-Noi: yeah we should just go with criminally retarded until we get more evidance
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11549 @ 0.0004879 = 5.6348 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8651 @ 0.00048789 = 4.2207 BTC [-]
dub: you have negligence and nuisance as offenses
dub: which can be applied to 'act of stupidity causes loss'
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9349 @ 0.00048789 = 4.5613 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14300 @ 0.00048788 = 6.9767 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3500 @ 0.00048787 = 1.7075 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29451 @ 0.00048781 = 14.3665 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 573 @ 0.00048868 = 0.28 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17127 @ 0.0004893 = 8.3802 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21000 @ 0.0004893 = 10.2753 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9823 @ 0.0004893 = 4.8064 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13411 @ 0.00049277 = 6.6085 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2650 @ 0.00049277 = 1.3058 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4572 @ 0.00049316 = 2.2547 BTC [+]
FabianB_: mircea_popescu: why are you standardising now that you start using json with one returning json and all other non-json?
mircea_popescu: well yes, since it was being discussed on the forum i wrote up a proposal
mircea_popescu: otherwise this exists as internal stuff for about a year now
FabianB_: yeah, am fine with this being mpex protocol
FabianB_: just doesn't seem polished enough to qualify as standard yet
FabianB_: data as json in both directions would seem more consistent
FabianB_: even if with so few commands and payload it's easy to parse |foo|bar|baz
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1800 @ 0.00049389 = 0.889 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5852 @ 0.00049397 = 2.8907 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2248 @ 0.0004942 = 1.111 BTC [+]
FabianB_: well, yeah, by hand it's nicer than json
mircea_popescu: FabianB_ moreover, the spec is not restrictive. some exchange might decide to implement STATXML too
mircea_popescu: that's not forbidden. but it would be weird to require exchanges to accept both json and xml imput
FabianB_: wondering if there are papers on designing protocols for both computers/humans
FabianB_: earlier protocols like smtp were(are) very easy to use for humans too
FabianB_: generally a nice aproach mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: yeah. anyway the only one with a prayer given that there's no standards body and compliance is voluntary
FabianB_: standards bodies are usually too slow
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3952 @ 0.0004942 = 1.9531 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1000 @ 0.0004945 = 0.4945 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19510 @ 0.00049556 = 9.6684 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22850 @ 0.0004935 = 11.2765 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28812 @ 0.0004935 = 14.2187 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14800 @ 0.0004897 = 7.2476 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18250 @ 0.0004897 = 8.937 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13550 @ 0.0004897 = 6.6354 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 400 @ 0.00048808 = 0.1952 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26381 @ 0.00048808 = 12.876 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2449 @ 0.00048781 = 1.1946 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2590 @ 0.00048776 = 1.2633 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1685 @ 0.00049055 = 0.8266 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36500 @ 0.00049232 = 17.9697 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1200 @ 0.00049556 = 0.5947 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24764 @ 0.00049079 = 12.1539 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13936 @ 0.00049063 = 6.8374 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14364 @ 0.00049063 = 7.0474 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26110 @ 0.00048776 = 12.7354 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8988 @ 0.00048769 = 4.3834 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7952 @ 0.00048759 = 3.8773 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8984 @ 0.00048759 = 4.3805 BTC [-]
jurov: so, did kakobrekla at least to try to shed some light on the accusations somehow?
jurov: or just having lulz with his boss?
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C110T] 817 @ 0.20698633 = 169.1078 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44700 @ 0.00049089 = 21.9428 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 950 @ 0.00048759 = 0.4632 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4648 @ 0.00048759 = 2.2663 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32467 @ 0.00049058 = 15.9277 BTC [+]
smickles_: < jurov> so, did kakobrekla at least to try to shed some light on the accusations somehow? <<< whatnow?
jurov: i'm just interested
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6572 @ 0.00049058 = 3.2241 BTC [+]
jurov: and I put myself the FSA Registration# from bit4x site into FSA form and it was assigned to some other company that went defunct in 2004
jurov: <kakobrekla> [00:14:01] i showed that posts to my superior, teh boss, he was rolling of the floor.
jurov: that was the reply
jurov: dunno, maybe they rolled 'em together with carpet and hauled away, ya know
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9020 @ 0.00048886 = 4.4095 BTC [-]
jurov: i wasn't going to invest there anyway
jurov: since he wasn't able to clearly explain me here how can one trade currencies with pure BTC balance and without need for any hedging, maybe you remember
jurov: but i did not suspect such wholesale scam, then
mircea_popescu: myeah. kakobrekla you'll have to make an answer to that thing, it's ruining you.
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of -10 for user patrickharnett has been recorded.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4380 @ 0.00048886 = 2.1412 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12935 @ 0.00048764 = 6.3076 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15965 @ 0.00048764 = 7.7852 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7435 @ 0.00048759 = 3.6252 BTC [-]
jurov: mircea_popescu, just to nitpick, who got the recent s.dice dividend ? it wasn't exactly divisible number :)
jurov: and was it 1 satoshi or 94 as website shows?
mircea_popescu: evoorhees sent 1 satoshi originally. predictably, nothing happened.
mircea_popescu: so we talked and he sent 100. 94 of these were actually distributed, 6 were lost in rounding
mircea_popescu: if you had enough shares to qualify you got one (or more) else you got nothing
mircea_popescu: there's no practical way to do better than that tho, so.
jurov: he should made a raffle for that 1 satoshi
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9031 @ 0.00048759 = 4.4034 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28069 @ 0.0004875 = 13.6836 BTC [-]
FabianB: too many ppl won at s.dice this month?
jurov: no, there was a bug
jurov: you're in fact correct, in a sense :)
jurov: mircea, i remember rg boasting he is getting some bitcoins off sd that shouldn't be there
smickles: seems to me that this recent dividend shows it's all going according to plan
smickles: didn't it lose (hundreds|thousands) each month for a couple of months straight at the beginning?
smickles: jurov: are you talking about the delay payment of winnings bug?
smickles: 'cause i don't think that bug cost them any money
jurov: dunno. my memory tries to convince me there was some sd leak last month
jurov: scumbag memory. there isn't anyhing in logs.
smickles: heh, scumbag memory, well, if you do come across something like a money losing bug, i'd like to know :)
jurov: oh wait found something
jurov: <rg> [21:12:37] hm i think satoshidice just messed up
jurov: <rg> [21:13:00] it was meant to send me .8 btc if it was a winner
jurov: <rg> [21:13:03] it sent 1.2 btc
jurov: <rg> [21:13:39] that's what i use satoshidice for now
jurov: <rg> [21:13:44] i take like .1 btc
jurov: <rg> [21:13:48] and turn it into 1.5
jurov: <rg> [21:13:57] its worked 3 days in a row
jurov: dunno which day that was, should be sometime in october
jurov: to me smells like a bug
smickles: was this b/f or after rg learned simple arithmetic </jk>
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8931 @ 0.0004875 = 4.3539 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33400 @ 0.00048745 = 16.2808 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14069 @ 0.00048734 = 6.8564 BTC [-]
jurov: right below that is link to "shareholders on welfare" article that is dated October 22
jurov: so it certainly wasn't in august.
jurov: so this is what i have. or am i really a conspiration nut?
jurov: or if rg's broken arithmetic is paying him lunches, i wanna some too
mircea_popescu: jurov i recall rg saying he's making money on sd back in aug or so
mircea_popescu: but anyway, i don't think there's any bug, just variance.
jurov: what are the odds to turn 0.1 btc into a lunch three times in row?
mircea_popescu: but if you apply l'hospital you can calculate the odds
smickles: woah, i have 32 bux in unpaid adsense
smickles: last i checked i had less than 5
jurov: winning 0.1->12.5 btc is equivalent to "lessthan 512" with win odds of 0.7813%
jurov: dunno how can rg or l'hospital make a consistent strategy from it
jurov: no it was 0.1->1.5 btc that's "lessthan 4000" with win odds of 6.1% ...still
jurov: my brain is shutting down, too late
Anduck: smickles: which pays better, bitcoin ad networks or adsense?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18650 @ 0.00048854 = 9.1113 BTC [+]
smickles: Anduck: i can't answer that without lying or researching, and I'm not doing either right now ;)
mircea_popescu: jurov l'hospital just tells you what are the odds of a certain distribution based on the odds of the process
mircea_popescu: for isntance if you toss a coin, you can use l'hospital to calculate the odds of getting three heads in a row followed by four tails in a row
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17150 @ 0.00048734 = 8.3579 BTC [-]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 10.56501, Best ask: 10.64199, Bid-ask spread: 0.07698, Last trade: 10.64200, 24 hour volume: 16450.39563539, 24 hour low: 10.40000, 24 hour high: 10.65000, 24 hour vwap: 10.53359
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 10.56501, Best ask: 10.64199, Bid-ask spread: 0.07698, Last trade: 10.64200, 24 hour volume: 16450.39563539, 24 hour low: 10.40000, 24 hour high: 10.65000, 24 hour vwap: 10.53359
gribble: Error: "tricker" is not a valid command.
gribble: Error: "tickler" is not a valid command.
smickles: there was an f.giga trade yesterday?
smickles: mircea_popescu: it looks as if, when I launch the thing, my bot will beat your bot by about .02btc on some strikes (if it were running now
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4350 @ 0.00048854 = 2.1251 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10547 @ 0.00048902 = 5.1577 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11603 @ 0.00048958 = 5.6806 BTC [+]
smickles: I just love how my ideas for bots are so plain and simple,
smickles: but by the time that simple idea is translated into code,
smickles: it's this complex leviathan floating around and eating worlds
smickles: although, part of that may be due to the vagaries of english
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43200 @ 0.00048833 = 21.0959 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1250 @ 0.00048734 = 0.6092 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14400 @ 0.00048958 = 7.05 BTC [+]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 10.59098, Best ask: 10.59998, Bid-ask spread: 0.00900, Last trade: 10.59098, 24 hour volume: 16062.37847763, 24 hour low: 10.40000, 24 hour high: 10.67000, 24 hour vwap: 10.54632
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 10.59098, Best ask: 10.59998, Bid-ask spread: 0.00900, Last trade: 10.59098, 24 hour volume: 16062.37847763, 24 hour low: 10.40000, 24 hour high: 10.67000, 24 hour vwap: 10.54632
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 10.59098, Best ask: 10.59998, Bid-ask spread: 0.00900, Last trade: 10.59098, 24 hour volume: 16012.84847763, 24 hour low: 10.40000, 24 hour high: 10.67000, 24 hour vwap: 10.54670
smickles: thestrin1puller: this war would result in better option premiums for you
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 10.60000, Best ask: 10.63999, Bid-ask spread: 0.03999, Last trade: 10.60000, 24 hour volume: 16067.85771280, 24 hour low: 10.40000, 24 hour high: 10.67000, 24 hour vwap: 10.54722
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22597 @ 0.00048958 = 11.063 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10753 @ 0.00049099 = 5.2796 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6536 @ 0.00049267 = 3.2201 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10850 @ 0.00048792 = 5.2939 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9250 @ 0.00048792 = 4.5133 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25687 @ 0.00048778 = 12.5296 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 710 @ 0.00048636 = 0.3453 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20833 @ 0.00048636 = 10.1323 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27386 @ 0.00048632 = 13.3184 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1414 @ 0.00048632 = 0.6877 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15695 @ 0.000486 = 7.6278 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8955 @ 0.000486 = 4.3521 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13795 @ 0.00048591 = 6.7031 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20055 @ 0.00048591 = 9.7449 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19145 @ 0.00048587 = 9.302 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16855 @ 0.00048587 = 8.1893 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1335 @ 0.00048581 = 0.6486 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33565 @ 0.00048581 = 16.3062 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10635 @ 0.00048576 = 5.1661 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16950 @ 0.00048576 = 8.2336 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17815 @ 0.00048576 = 8.6538 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2235 @ 0.00048564 = 1.0854 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12200 @ 0.00048564 = 5.9248 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15050 @ 0.00048564 = 7.3089 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28965 @ 0.00048564 = 14.0666 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7549 @ 0.00048561 = 3.6659 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8479 @ 0.00048526 = 4.1145 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32650 @ 0.00048794 = 15.9312 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5621 @ 0.00048526 = 2.7276 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22484 @ 0.00048525 = 10.9104 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: rillions of dollars worth of stock certificates and other paper securities that were stored in a vault in lower Manhattan may have suffered water damage from Superstorm Sandy.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3277 @ 0.00048794 = 1.599 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10450 @ 0.00048958 = 5.1161 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9423 @ 0.00048958 = 4.6133 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19433 @ 0.00048525 = 9.4299 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16467 @ 0.00048511 = 7.9883 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7900 @ 0.00048511 = 3.8324 BTC [-]
pigeons: how's the forex stuff going kakobrekla?
pigeons: nice. good respons from bitcoin folks?
kakobrekla: idiots without money who cant do math say its a scam, the rest of the folks is making money
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16400 @ 0.00048574 = 7.9661 BTC [+]
EskimoBob: kakobrekla: interesting read. Thank you for the link
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1033 @ 0.00048511 = 0.5011 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18037 @ 0.00048499 = 8.7478 BTC [-]
jurov: kakobrekla, that's not exactly what i was expecting to hear, you know
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22627 @ 0.00048574 = 10.9908 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19673 @ 0.00048642 = 9.5693 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: i don't get it. that website lifted off the insignia from the real winner and is using someone else's fsa number
mircea_popescu: you don't see a problem with this because "everyone is making money" ?
kakobrekla: i told it in the thread and its clear if one intalls MT4
Diablo-D3: [12:56:52] <mircea_popescu> i don't get it. that website lifted off the insignia from the real winner and is using someone else's fsa number
kakobrekla: that bottom logo though, yea it should be replaced with a more apropriate one - they wanted to have some mt4 award listed
drekk: mircea_popescu, how can you tell?
kakobrekla: i wouldnt go out on this if i wasnt sure whats happenin
kakobrekla: also, i keep all deposits and now they want me to keep the profits too
mircea_popescu: so the story here is, some people you know irl rented out offices from virtual-serviced-offices.co.uk
kakobrekla: dunno what was bought at which point but i can ask if you really wanna know
kakobrekla: you can check its not a bucketshop - admd is the currenex link provider
mircea_popescu: honestly, there's two constructions that can be made on the data as-is. either these are some kids with a bright idea and absolutely no clue on how these things work, or else it's as deep as the tar pit goes.
mircea_popescu: but putting awards and fsa numbers on a site that can't be backed up is asking for trouble
kakobrekla: the guy in charge was in the pit in the states for ~20 years
jurov: so put some proof about THAT to the site
jurov: not whatever you have there now
jurov: and of course, explaining how one can trade currencies without any conversions from/to bitcoin whatsoever would help much
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7205 @ 0.00048642 = 3.5047 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1745 @ 0.00049032 = 0.8556 BTC [+]
jurov: i don't indeed. and i'm not alone. similar transparency like MPOE business model - only "secret sauce" is their bot's pricing
kakobrekla: the other thing, i havent mentione, i dont get paid from people who blow their acounts or cant do math
kakobrekla: there is no iniciative for me to have gather forex newbs on this
jurov: that's no proof. and then, why do you advertise at btctalk?
jurov: while even MPOE-PR did patiently explain their stuff, you're apparently too good for that.
kakobrekla: well some people seem to understand it all from the info on the site, if one cant, i advise against forex trading in any denomination.
drekk: fair enough. too many red flags for me. not touching it.
jurov: haha, i like to use her as such
EskimoBob: mircea_popescu: when is SEC going after your hairy ass for offering unreg. sec for US citizens? :)
EskimoBob: fuck, I forgot to ask James for the agents name
kakobrekla: hm shitload of posts seem to be deleted
EskimoBob: Diablo-D3: callin you out is not that hard :) How's your solar farm business doing?
Diablo-D3: EskimoBob: I see what you did thar.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26863 @ 0.00048499 = 13.0283 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14534 @ 0.00048487 = 7.0471 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12603 @ 0.00048485 = 6.1106 BTC [-]
EskimoBob: MeSarah post is long and I do not really care about all the mining blaablaa at the moment
EskimoBob: it still amazes me what those lunatics are willing to invest and do just to make 1 USD per day an hope they can get their "investment" back in a year or never
Diablo-D3: EskimoBob: yeah, I could make more money on the fucking stock market
Diablo-D3: Im not claiming some super secret investment strategy here
EskimoBob: " Diablo-D3 | EskimoBob: yeah, I could make more money on the fucking stock market " - Diablo-D3: mmm... sure you can. Do I really need to remind you of your fabulous investment portfolio, where you managed to piss away close to 90% of investors money? :) LOL
Diablo-D3: not really, because it never happened
EskimoBob: i was told you can code. Code then and make money with that
Diablo-D3: although the hilarious part is nefario may end up paying for it in the end for lying to everyone
Diablo-D3: I like how he used a fake shutdown of DMC to stall for time too
Diablo-D3: he knew what was happening long before he attacked DMC
EskimoBob: btw, where is this little shit bird usagi hiding now days?
gribble: usagi was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 weeks, 5 days, 3 hours, 40 minutes, and 44 seconds ago: <usagi> i don't come on irc much anymore because i am sick, but i will be back later.
EskimoBob: mircea_popescu: Diablo-D3 did not know shit and the shut down was requested by form members because thy realized that Diablo-D3 is pissing the coins away
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: I said lots of things. No one listened.
EskimoBob: kakobrekla: no, serious yellow fever
Diablo-D3: nefario personally walked off with about 2k of DMC's money.
EskimoBob: he was scamming some poor fuck for CC payment so he can join some jap web site
EskimoBob: Diablo-D3: DMC had no BTC left at least it was not visible in the statements you published
Diablo-D3: EskimoBob: since the paper of other companies is now worthless, he is obligated to fix this.
Diablo-D3: he is also obligated to repay the DMC investors in full.
Diablo-D3: I will also accept prison time as an acceptable method of repayment.
Diablo-D3: And hes not going to be able to talk his way out of that one
EskimoBob: Diablo-D3: you sold unreg's sec for US citizens, are you guys going to share a cell?
Diablo-D3: and nefario as lied about the legality of glbse
Diablo-D3: I am not responsible for his actions, and I never will be.
Diablo-D3: He fucked every Bitcoin user, no matter if they invested in GLBSE or not, no mater if they invested in DMC or not
EskimoBob: no Diablo-D3, only your actions :)
Diablo-D3: Im not sure why you're standing up for that twat.
EskimoBob: no, that was Trendon, who fucked every BTC user
EskimoBob: I am not standing for that twat at all
Diablo-D3: DMC would have legitimized Bitcoin as a way to crowdfund small businesses
kakobrekla: part of glbse trouble might be ppt's but im not saying nefario is free to walk like he did
Diablo-D3: BTC could have reached $100 by the end of next year, and now it probably wont.
EskimoBob: did you forget all about that shitbag Trendon?
EskimoBob: he is the guy who really fucked us all.
pigeons: just because trendon is a shitbacg in no way whatsoever excuses nefario
EskimoBob: GLBSE crap can be fixed, what trendon and his friends did... can not
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2549 @ 0.00048485 = 1.2359 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29570 @ 0.0004848 = 14.3355 BTC [-]
Diablo-D3: EskimoBob: which one was Trendon again?
pigeons: glbse cannot be fixed. even if james returns the asset lists, which it reasonably appears he never will, most of those projects are screwed
Diablo-D3: pigeons: yes, DMC wont be starting back up no matter what
Diablo-D3: Im slowly going to buy back shares, and then thats it
jurov: folks, be glad it happened now. if any of it happened after bitcoin is legally recognized, that would be shit on completely different level
Diablo-D3: EskimoBob: I dont do real name shit
Diablo-D3: and I never paid attention to the pirate shit anyhow
Diablo-D3: I told people it was a scam from the beginning, they didnt listen, thats their own problem
kakobrekla: yeah, but people got back more money of pirate than DMC
mircea_popescu: so you told everyone about glbse, and pirate and what else ?!
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: I never said anything about glbse, you did
pigeons: let's just all decide the same person to hate on
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: and yes, I should have listened and I didnt
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41359 @ 0.00048845 = 20.2018 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7241 @ 0.00049032 = 3.5504 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22500 @ 0.00048552 = 10.9242 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24830 @ 0.0004848 = 12.0376 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16669 @ 0.00048478 = 8.0808 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26000 @ 0.00048475 = 12.6035 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2253 @ 0.00048467 = 1.092 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19500 @ 0.00048552 = 9.4676 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10000 @ 0.00048842 = 4.8842 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14650 @ 0.00048574 = 7.1161 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5185 @ 0.00048571 = 2.5184 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7300 @ 0.00048718 = 3.5564 BTC [+]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 10.55001, Best ask: 10.59500, Bid-ask spread: 0.04499, Last trade: 10.59970, 24 hour volume: 10630.99680636, 24 hour low: 10.51002, 24 hour high: 10.68000, 24 hour vwap: 10.59514
dub: bad bitcoin, no biscuit
FabianB_: 10 is nice to calculate, good price
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16000 @ 0.00049048 = 7.8477 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11700 @ 0.00049077 = 5.742 BTC [+]
EskimoBob: mircea_popescu: you mean "good night"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30300 @ 0.00048998 = 14.8464 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C120T] 1000 @ 0.16722208 = 167.2221 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C110T] 1000 @ 0.204652 = 204.652 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C100T] 1000 @ 0.25316149 = 253.1615 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C090T] 1000 @ 0.31316529 = 313.1653 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C080T] 1000 @ 0.38409025 = 384.0903 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C070T] 1000 @ 0.46571611 = 465.7161 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C060T] 1000 @ 0.55732244 = 557.3224 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C120T] 1000 @ 0.16717812 = 167.1781 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C110T] 1000 @ 0.20460891 = 204.6089 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C100T] 1000 @ 0.25312058 = 253.1206 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C090T] 1000 @ 0.3131282 = 313.1282 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C080T] 1000 @ 0.38405874 = 384.0587 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C070T] 1000 @ 0.46569154 = 465.6915 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C060T] 1000 @ 0.55730535 = 557.3054 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C120T] 1000 @ 0.16676437 = 166.7644 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C110T] 1000 @ 0.20413404 = 204.134 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C100T] 1000 @ 0.25257099 = 252.571 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C090T] 1000 @ 0.31253772 = 312.5377 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C080T] 1000 @ 0.38344998 = 383.45 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C070T] 1000 @ 0.46509016 = 465.0902 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C060T] 1000 @ 0.55673896 = 556.739 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C120T] 1000 @ 0.1667204 = 166.7204 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C110T] 1000 @ 0.20409093 = 204.0909 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C100T] 1000 @ 0.25253005 = 252.5301 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C090T] 1000 @ 0.31250059 = 312.5006 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C080T] 1000 @ 0.38341842 = 383.4184 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C070T] 1000 @ 0.46506554 = 465.0655 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C060T] 1000 @ 0.55672184 = 556.7218 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C120T] 1000 @ 0.16668064 = 166.6806 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C110T] 1000 @ 0.20405194 = 204.0519 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C100T] 1000 @ 0.25249302 = 252.493 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C090T] 1000 @ 0.312467 = 312.467 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C080T] 1000 @ 0.38338989 = 383.3899 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C070T] 1000 @ 0.46504328 = 465.0433 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C060T] 1000 @ 0.55670636 = 556.7064 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C120T] 998 @ 0.16659725 = 166.2641 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C110T] 168 @ 0.20397018 = 34.267 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C100T] 1000 @ 0.25241535 = 252.4154 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C090T] 1000 @ 0.31239657 = 312.3966 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C080T] 1000 @ 0.38333004 = 383.33 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C070T] 1000 @ 0.46499661 = 464.9966 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C060T] 1000 @ 0.55667391 = 556.6739 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13800 @ 0.00048998 = 6.7617 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14037 @ 0.00048877 = 6.8609 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2407 @ 0.00048874 = 1.1764 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: if it goes to 1000 i can still cover, and even have a little bit of reserve left
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10225 @ 0.00048874 = 4.9974 BTC [-]
Chaaaang-Noi: but that is a crazy amount of coin to send you
Chaaaang-Noi: its pretty reasonable id say, as we are about to halve but still...
mircea_popescu: the recent ECB report pretty much says btc is not regulated in the eu.
mircea_popescu: giving nefario yet again the lie. no fsa was investigating glbse.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33700 @ 0.00048483 = 16.3388 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6950 @ 0.00048462 = 3.3681 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 758 @ 0.00048387 = 0.3668 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8642 @ 0.00048378 = 4.1808 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21558 @ 0.00048378 = 10.4293 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15701 @ 0.00048366 = 7.5939 BTC [-]
Chaaaang-Noi: and ppt stuff related to glbse since atleast april
Chaaaang-Noi: some of the ppt guys are big fish that im sure the sec would love to take down, however i doubt they will just go after just pirate if that is all they can get
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12600 @ 0.00048705 = 6.1368 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9550 @ 0.00048785 = 4.659 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12600 @ 0.0004851 = 6.1123 BTC [-]
EskimoBob: Chaaaang-Noi: like who? (big fish)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6555 @ 0.0004851 = 3.1798 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9850 @ 0.00048402 = 4.7676 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17249 @ 0.00048366 = 8.3427 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9000 @ 0.00048365 = 4.3529 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3028 @ 0.00048362 = 1.4644 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13750 @ 0.00048362 = 6.6498 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18700 @ 0.00048504 = 9.0702 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6100 @ 0.00048504 = 2.9587 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15400 @ 0.00048689 = 7.4981 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30037 @ 0.0004867 = 14.619 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: goomboo should change his nick to boohoo
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27922 @ 0.00048362 = 13.5036 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10778 @ 0.0004836 = 5.2122 BTC [-]
jurov: can you photoshop some awards and FSA reg. numbers for coinbr, too?
jurov: you did NOT respond to these. Implying that FSA gave you some recycled registration number while you're waiting for papers to be processed is beyond absurd.
kakobrekla: that logo might get replaced but its not really a big deal (i thought othewise as well) as there are some background stories to it but we
kakobrekla: as for the fsa i dont get it what is the problem
kakobrekla: call fsa if you are interested in finding out the details about trading in uk
kakobrekla: there is just no regulation on btc or forex in slovenia or balkan
kakobrekla: where a shitload of venets customersbase is
jurov: it says "dissolved in 2004" and your FSA # points there
kakobrekla: i say contact fsa to give you newest info on worth ltd / venetfx
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3563 @ 0.00048584 = 1.731 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24237 @ 0.00048689 = 11.8008 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: and i dont know where my bitcoin clients are from
jurov: i might not care for fsa, but might care if someone wants to looks reputable using fictional information
jurov: yes, i know this is established practice on balkans
jurov: so you don't see anything bad on that
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30345 @ 0.0004836 = 14.6748 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3818 @ 0.0004835 = 1.846 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 78582 @ 0.0004835 = 37.9944 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3718 @ 0.00048349 = 1.7976 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37000 @ 0.00048349 = 17.8891 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32 @ 0.00048349 = 0.0155 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49513 @ 0.00048341 = 23.9351 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9555 @ 0.00048334 = 4.6183 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20100 @ 0.00048505 = 9.7495 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36231 @ 0.0004855 = 17.5902 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2545 @ 0.00048334 = 1.2301 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28971 @ 0.00048325 = 14.0002 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19784 @ 0.00048323 = 9.5602 BTC [-]
jurov: ;;rate patrickharnett -1 "Aug 10 08:10:17 <patrickharnett> in the event BS&T goes bust, I have more than enough assets to cover that"
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of -1 for user patrickharnett has been recorded.
jurov: ;;rate kakobrekla -1 "Bit4X: Fake trophies/FSA number on front page? Oh, that's normal business in Balkans, let's move on"
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of -1 for user kakobrekla has been recorded.
jurov: ;;rate kakobrekla -1 "VenetFX: Fake trophies/FSA number on front page? Oh, that's normal business in Balkans, let's move on"
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating for user kakobrekla has changed from -1 to -1.
jurov: thx for correction
kakobrekla: logo might be inadequate, will be fixed prolly.
kakobrekla: i have to rate you back to make that clear
jurov: yeah, don't forget to invent funny nick for me :D
smickles: oh noes, i think the net chart is down again :(
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18071 @ 0.00048323 = 8.7324 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: be careful if you run wordpress and some bitcoin service.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10245 @ 0.00048323 = 4.9507 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29855 @ 0.00048306 = 14.4218 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 140 @ 0.00180025 = 0.252 BTC [+]
smickles: < EskimoBob> what net chart? << the one in the topic
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17933 @ 0.0004855 = 8.7065 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26750 @ 0.00048596 = 12.9994 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4963 @ 0.00048689 = 2.4164 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3554 @ 0.00048697 = 1.7307 BTC [+]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 10.61501, Best ask: 10.65000, Bid-ask spread: 0.03499, Last trade: 10.61001, 24 hour volume: 27625.15673475, 24 hour low: 10.52000, 24 hour high: 10.90000, 24 hour vwap: 10.73199
smickles: ;;calc (10.64 - 6) / 10.64 - .5567063
gribble: Error: "6/(.5567063" is not a valid command.
smickles: well, someone is pretty bullish
smickles: mircea_popescu: that should've balanced out those short puts from the beginning of the month, right? (assuming the exchange rate doesn't go ove 13.2 or something)
smickles: woah, that was ~42000 contracts
Diablo-D3: what was the name of the bitcoinica guy
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22900 @ 0.00048697 = 11.1516 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 100 @ 0.00048306 = 0.0483 BTC [-]
SupaDupa: he likes the pee pee in his bum hole
Diablo-D3: he is catholic and votes republican
Diablo-D3: (not that theres anything wrong with that)
mircea_popescu: i wouldn't vote republican cause they're too far on the left.
Diablo-D3: SupaDupa: thats like saying "hi, bomb me"
Diablo-D3: cant, waiting for UAV battery to charge
SupaDupa: bomb me after we cut off your electricity
SupaDupa: bomb the whole thing man good luck to you
Diablo-D3: heh, dont have to worry about that then
Diablo-D3: mother nature is coming after you anyhow
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15636 @ 0.00048697 = 7.6143 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11075 @ 0.00048785 = 5.4029 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3289 @ 0.00048793 = 1.6048 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43761 @ 0.00048306 = 21.1392 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1045 @ 0.00048306 = 0.5048 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2194 @ 0.00048295 = 1.0596 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3156 @ 0.00048295 = 1.5242 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24244 @ 0.00048286 = 11.7065 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4356 @ 0.00048286 = 2.1033 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16150 @ 0.00048259 = 7.7938 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25794 @ 0.00048223 = 12.4386 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11055 @ 0.00048223 = 5.3311 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14895 @ 0.00048223 = 7.1828 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18575 @ 0.00048197 = 8.9526 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2325 @ 0.00048197 = 1.1206 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44818 @ 0.00048197 = 21.6009 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9857 @ 0.00048197 = 4.7508 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29743 @ 0.00048189 = 14.3329 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2757 @ 0.00048189 = 1.3286 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28350 @ 0.00048188 = 13.6613 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9493 @ 0.00048165 = 4.5723 BTC [-]
mod6: this core2duo is a pile of shit
mod6: the android emulator grinds it down slooooooow
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15850 @ 0.00048165 = 7.6342 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26257 @ 0.00048165 = 12.6467 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2843 @ 0.00048155 = 1.369 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29762 @ 0.00048155 = 14.3319 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8400 @ 0.00048151 = 4.0447 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7638 @ 0.00048142 = 3.6771 BTC [-]
smickles: mircea_popescu: is that why i could never find your reddit user?
mircea_popescu: Chaang-Noi well there's two mods, and i was chatting with the other one.
mircea_popescu: it's a really sad thing to try tho, because all it gets you is a painful defeat dragged out over time.
Chaang-Noi: he must really do nothing other than mod then...
mircea_popescu: it would be funny if i got banned on twitter tho, seeing how i literally never post
smickles: yeah, some random api violation
smickles: "you posted the letter x to often via this method"
mircea_popescu: o btw, smickles didja see all about me getting hacked again ?
smickles: I saw something about a guy claiming you had 0days and wanted to jabber you
smickles: raoul_duke, lurks in -otc iirc
smickles: (if they're using the same name)
gribble: I have not seen raoul_duke.
smickles: maybe i have the spelling incorrect
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15962 @ 0.00048142 = 7.6844 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20738 @ 0.00048129 = 9.981 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14380 @ 0.00048026 = 6.9061 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15450 @ 0.00048016 = 7.4185 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7477 @ 0.0004801 = 3.5897 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22300 @ 0.0004801 = 10.7062 BTC [-]
rg: all bitvps share holders: funds being deposited to MPEX right now!
rg: i shouldve just done i tdirectly tom pex
rg: mircea; i viewed your hacker chronicles lastn ight
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14950 @ 0.0004801 = 7.1775 BTC [-]
rg: im so sick of scammers in -otc
rg: i wanted to be opped for so long
EskimoBob: what about those, who still hold that shit via GLBSE?
mircea_popescu: they're the people who couldn't find anything better to do.
rg: theres like 20 ops on the access list
MrTiggr: rg - ur not alone bro and you are doing a bang-up job
MrTiggr: also we have some power-bots on the way
rg: i dont think the solution is bots
MrTiggr: i know its no tthe solution
rg: mircea_popescu: i ban people who get scammed
MrTiggr: im just doing the best i can like rg^^
MrTiggr: i dont actually mind that mentality
MrTiggr: im also working on a secure IRC server of our own
rg: i think we're going +i again
rg: last night i told nano
rg: oh i dont deal with politics like that
MrTiggr: that it will only push nicksquatch into PM mode
rg: im like the black ops op
rg: at least with the auth list we will make the pool of possible scammers more shallow
rg: instead of 500 people not logged in
rg: there will be 100-200
rg: all logged into gribble
rg: 100-200 is easier to sort through than 500
MrTiggr: bro, you realise if you make the channel +m (shich you can) then gribble will enforce !voiceme
rg: and its also easier to see peoples patterns
rg: i dont do anything without authorization
rg: or at least a majortiy vote
rg: between people i deemed important
rg: i dont care what puke-jr thinks
MrTiggr: jr is my pet name for SomeoneWeird
MrTiggr: rg gets a crucifix burn on his back
MrTiggr: do a vote in channel if you like
MrTiggr: i can even enable the !Poll module in one of my bots for you
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13073 @ 0.0004801 = 6.2763 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12027 @ 0.00048008 = 5.7739 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24900 @ 0.00048008 = 11.954 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10099 @ 0.00048045 = 4.8521 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21201 @ 0.00048095 = 10.1966 BTC [+]
rg: i thought of some good ideas for pympex
kakobrekla: >This is nothing other than natural morals, you don't see a wolf trying to swallow a whale. You don't see a hawk trying to carry away a moose. You sometimes see snakes trying to swallow things they can't, but that's rare and it works as proof that snakes aren't really all that smart.
kakobrekla: well it could be consensed to 'you are stupid'
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3773 @ 0.00048008 = 1.8113 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6500 @ 0.00048004 = 3.1203 BTC [-]
rg: mircea_popescu: mpex is 6 confirms right
rg: is there really an advantage to using more than 2 confirms
rg: i doubt sdice would be as popular if it waited for confirms
rg: when do we get interest back on mpex deposits
rg: mac and cheese for breakfast
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12400 @ 0.0004798 = 5.9495 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6000 @ 0.00047953 = 2.8772 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14700 @ 0.00047949 = 7.0485 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: any double spend attacks on sdice yet?
rg: arent double spends hard to do
mircea_popescu: moreover, the people with the tech and mining power that'd allow it are not the sort do try such thngs
kakobrekla: maybe i should allow 0 conf as well for limited amounts
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BVPS] [PAID] 500000 @ 0.000116 = 58 BTC
rg: mircea why are the mpex options in different measurements
rg: like withdraw is satoshi
rg: ok mircea i ordered a withdrawl
rg: it SHOULD be for 30 btc
rg: but if its for 300 btc
rg: i gotta shower real quick
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28867 @ 0.00047949 = 13.8414 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: omfg i can't believe what a troll that joelkatz dood is.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4583 @ 0.00047949 = 2.1975 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22802 @ 0.00047948 = 10.9331 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: basically he's arguing that patrickharnett shouldn't get a scammer tag in spite of stealing 5-600 btc from me
kakobrekla: i shall borrow 1k btc from katz instead of 100 by mistake
mircea_popescu: people fuck them in the ass, they're all "o let's give them al ittle time"
mircea_popescu: god forbid someone makes something actually useful : they won't comprehend it and then it's all OMG CP!!!1
mircea_popescu: btctalk was created by a government conspiracy to save on public spending. the idiots go there and post thus not being in the street causing damage.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12148 @ 0.00047948 = 5.8247 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9252 @ 0.00047941 = 4.4355 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: 10k, is that the minimum to open an online brokerage acct ?
mircea_popescu: i wonder how many people try to use bitcoin to get around those rules put there exactly so as to protect them from themselves.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26239 @ 0.00047941 = 12.5792 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 326 @ 0.0004792 = 0.1562 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21600 @ 0.00047988 = 10.3654 BTC [+]
Azelphur: rg: if you have good ideas, commits welcome it's up on github
rg: ill tell you the ideas
rg: and take credit for it
Azelphur: rg: but that involves me doing things
Azelphur: and my doing things queue is long, and on hold until I get moved out
Azelphur: mircea_popescu: havn't got my current one sorted yet, it's only been a few weeks
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12627 @ 0.00047988 = 6.0594 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16749 @ 0.00048095 = 8.0554 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8824 @ 0.00048127 = 4.2467 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 31933 @ 0.00003301 = 1.0541 BTC [-]
Chaang-Noi: he is off the wall on all sorts of things
Chaang-Noi: sometimes he makes rally good points, your case with patrick however makes him look like he is trolling
pigeons: he said i can cover, i can pay, then he didn't
pigeons: pirate isn't a scammer cause he thought zeek would pay
pigeons: don't post more than 5 of those a week
mod6: DTCC had a vault aptly located on Water Street, in Manhattan.
pigeons: let me pay with bitcoins instead of this email thing
mircea_popescu: pigeons you only email to get a btc addy anyway! pm me, i'll sort it out privately
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11600 @ 0.00048127 = 5.5827 BTC [+]
rdponticelli: mircea_popescu: I swear I don't have your cherries
rdponticelli: But for a nice fee, I can found that god damn truck here in Argentina
smickles: mircea_popescu: you think _anything_ (of value) will actually be lost if there is damage in that vault?
smickles: wouldn't they have records of their inventory
smickles: and contracts which would require the physical thing to be remade in the event of damage
smickles: (i mean, we're talking about paper, right?)
mircea_popescu: there exist bearer instruments which are irreplaceable.
mircea_popescu: so, depending on how many of those are reissuable or not, it will be a huge litigation mess to sort out.
smickles: well, if things are really irreplaceable, i understand.
rdponticelli: Yeah, we should all go back to bartering things
mircea_popescu: but here's the thing : this is really somewhat like glbse implosion
smickles: damn, it's so tempting to just go fuckit, you can have your [insert asset here] when you have proof its yours
rdponticelli: Maybe the whole Hurricane thing was crowdfunded by some evil issuers...
jurov: u have it all wrong. it was caused by gay marriages
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2000 @ 0.00047921 = 0.9584 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14900 @ 0.0004792 = 7.1401 BTC [-]
jurov: why do you think so?
smickles: heh, joking based off of your gay comment
jurov: okay. i'm interested now whether more people believe sandy was caused by haarp or so, or that it was caused by moral depravity
jurov: i'm inclined to the latter
jurov: it was caused by mircea's porn
Diablo-D3: what, his fapping heated the upper atmosphere?
jurov: more like the screams of those haunted girls reached the ear of Almighty
dub: sandy was caused by al gore
Diablo-D3: so, anyone have any indication on how florida and new hampshire is going?
jurov: although, there's strong gender bias... no /y/ there?
jurov: or, even better, bara. but that got kicked out even from 4chan :P
jurov: google "bara anime"
Diablo-D3: wait, did mircea_popescu just call lesbians bad?
mircea_popescu: Diablo-D3 faggotry is the unholy act of butthole buggery
jurov: ftfy: holiest act of butthole buggery
mircea_popescu: Diablo-D3 don't be calling me religious just cause you can't stand the shining light of truth
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: I can call you religious for claiming what other people do is unholy
Diablo-D3: seriously, all I want is a woman who can cook and clean
jurov: Diablo-D3, then it needs not to be a woman necessarily
Diablo-D3: Ive seen what are claimed "good looking guys"
Diablo-D3: and japan tried solving it with bishounen guys
Diablo-D3: and all they're doing is producing women with dicks and no tits
jurov: you're hetero, so you're biased
Diablo-D3: even if I was gay, I'd still like tits
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24013 @ 0.00048127 = 11.5567 BTC [+]
Diablo-D3: Im going to have to say neither here, I think the tits are implants
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17587 @ 0.00048224 = 8.4812 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: and what's the problem with implants ? well done they're better than the real thing.
jurov: C) You become a Goat and you can Live for the next 10 years in the Goat tower HAHAHAHA
jurov: Chaang-noi, you around?
Diablo-D3: they've been around long enough to figure out exactly what they want and know how to get it out of you
kuzetsa: Diablo-D3: why would you think the trans woman's breasts are implants?
mircea_popescu: so he feels the urge to lash out and diminish the woman
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: and no, it doesnt make me insecure
Diablo-D3: I mean, I dont get why the fuck _an image on the internet_ would make anyone insecure
Diablo-D3: yeah, so? if it turns you on, save it to your porn dir
kuzetsa: even though I'm not "a straight male", and my boyfriend is a trans guy, I'd almost certainly prefer "B" -- she's pretty hot as far as trans women go.
mircea_popescu: it seems joel is learning the perils of trying to outargue mpoe-pr
kuzetsa: mircea_popescu: for a sec I though that was buck angel. had to check the tattoos for comparison.
mircea_popescu: "No you probably won't ever see any asset information. In fact the whole thing was probably a setup with one of the major asset holders on glbse so they would never have to pay back their investors"
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37687 @ 0.00047918 = 18.0589 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21189 @ 0.00047874 = 10.144 BTC [-]
pigeons: yes i was going to slightly modify and spread that rumor, its a good one
jurov: omg kuzetsa, BUTCH angel
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43977 @ 0.00049975 = 21.9775 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 73313 @ 0.0005 = 36.6565 BTC [+]
pigeons: yeah don't dare go past 0005
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.BVPS] 280 @ 0.0032 = 0.896 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: This looks very cool Ryan - congrats on the launch! It's instantly appealing to me, and I fully understand the motivation. NameCheap, while an awesome domain name provider, still feels a bit "hackey" in their UI. It works, but it feels odd. This appeals to me more -- like Stripe for domain names.
mircea_popescu: you have to be retarded to start competition for namecheap. srsly now.
mircea_popescu: I'm going to be perfectly honest with you: The fact that you list that you're a one-man operation, that you're 18 years old, and that you say you "achieved financial independence at the age of 16" is a big turn-off to me.
smickles: my papers got misplaced somehow
smickles: I was wondering why it was taking so long
smickles: lol, you mean you don't expect incompetence in the gov't?
smickles: or you suspect they have it out for me
smickles: well, i'll be successful and then move to romania then, since it's so much better
smickles: civil law system alone sounds better than common law anyway
smickles: did you vote? (assuming I correctly recall you saying you were 'merican)
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2396 @ 0.00050032 = 1.1988 BTC [+]
smickles: Will you say which presidential candidate you voted for?
smickles: really? charter schools were illegal where you are?
smickles: mircea_popescu: is mail delivery done by the gov't in romainia?
mircea_popescu: i get monthly thanik you notes in the mail from the tax authority
mircea_popescu: o, you mean the post ? it's an autonomous thingee. like the uk mail or w/e
smickles: i don't know how that is, I guess i'll research UK mail
smickles: ah uk has gov't owned mail services too
thestringpuller: i voted for obama. romney is a robot, or an android. he wants to cut science which is my swing issue.
mircea_popescu: basically, much like a spunoff vehicle, govt doesn't want their debts on its books
thestringpuller: also we have to charter for schools from within the board of education. a board member must raise it for voting. this amendment lets the local community raise it.
smickles: lolwut thestringpuller you voted for obama?
dub: like any sane person
dub: its either vote obama or vote jesus freak
dub: smickles voted for jesus?
smickles: there are more than 3 choices you know
smickles: they don't actually count write-ins
smickles: I doubt the system is rigged, they don't need to
smickles: too many people think is a 2 person choice
dub: thestringpuller: you like charter schools?
pigeons: well it's rigged because someone will win even though more of us didnt vote
thestringpuller: they allow kids in impoverished households to get a better education if their school is failing
smickles: pigeons: you think not voting should carry weight somehow?
dub: conversely allowing schools to deny kids though right?
dub: its like free market for education
pigeons: yes. i think that they should all go home if enough people dont vote
smickles: pigeons: does belgium have a notional gov't yet?
pigeons: i dont know, i'm not very cosmopolitan. but they make nice waffles
thestringpuller: then reform all the schools. if a school is failing the community should be allowed to reform it
thestringpuller: most charter schools that succeed were failing schools before they were "taken over"
smickles: oh, seems they got one back in december
thestringpuller: dub: there is a free market for education. its called private school
smickles: it's not really free market if you still have to pay for the public schools
mircea_popescu: <smickles> pigeons: you think not voting should carry weight somehow? <<< yes. simple majority or no elected official.
mircea_popescu: if the candidate doesn't get 50%+ of all votes there's no president that term.
pigeons: thestringpuller: but in usa everyone is forced to pay for public school so if they use private school, they pay twice
dub: yeah but don't charter schools make public schools into voluntary private ones?
smickles: i think second place should be the VP
mircea_popescu: and if congress doesn't manage to get simple majority of seats it sits idle.
pigeons: i like that mircea_popescu
smickles: yeah, sounds like an interesting system mp
mircea_popescu: be like, lucky if you get a president every fifty years
smickles: romania is plurality elections, isn't it?
mircea_popescu: the local obama wannabe tried to create a disturbance oust the president
mircea_popescu: got their asses handed to them in such grand manner it was funny
mircea_popescu: (romania's extreme left is slightly right of the us gop)
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7505 @ 0.00049561 = 3.7196 BTC [-]
smickles: thestringpuller: will you be awake around 04:00 utc?
smickles: mircea_popescu: if i move to romainia, will i have to be concerned with gun regulation. (assuming i am bringing guns into the country)
dub: leave your wild turkey at the border too
smickles: bah, I don't want to realize a gain on selling these things, then be taxed on it :P
mircea_popescu: or else, if you are employed as a guard in some very limited set of functions
kakobrekla: but i live outside the city, plenty of hunters with guns here
kakobrekla: smickles with a proper permit you can have a non hunting gun or whatever thats is called
dub: shooting is for the purpose of the target dying
dub: preferably in a state that it can then be butchered and eaten
mircea_popescu: Shot shells in .410 bore are not considered especially effective in personal defense
smickles: dub: well, the 686 i have once served as my sidearm in case a bear came after me
jurov: iirc in slovakia you'll need tio pass psychiatric examination to get gun pass
smickles: that site says that its a permet to acquire a gun
dub: if its anything like here which is based on uk law iirc, you'll need a friendly holder of an importer/collector license to bring guns in
smickles: heh, come on, launching things at high speeds, accurately, is one of the pennacles of human technology so far
mircea_popescu: smickles seriously, the only way it's worth it to bother with guns in europe is if you're holding them illegaly
smickles: firing a gun is like communion
dub: probably cheaper to leave your guns and buy new ones
mircea_popescu: so unless you plan to start an assasination llc you're better off leaving them in storage in the us
jurov: ...and protecting people from themselves is one of pinnacles of human civilization
dub: is there nothing to hunt in europe?
smickles: is there a closer legal storage facility than 'merica to romania
smickles: what about turkey or something
jurov: maybe bosnia... i doubt they have an issue w/guns
smickles: I know a guy with a gold plated desert eagle
dub: mircea_popescu: depends how well you shoot :)
dub: smickles: might be an ace over 300m with that 5 shot thingy
mircea_popescu: dub not really. a pistol isn't practically accurate at ya right lol
mircea_popescu: that thing wouldn't fire straight over 100 yards if you lubed it with virgin tears.
dub: havent you seen bruce willis?
dub: two pistols aimed in different directions with pinpoint accuracy, easy
smickles: dub: i prefer the 7 shot with a 6' barrel
smickles: mircea_popescu: i can hit a 10 inch target at 100 yards with my 686
smickles: yeah, but it's 100 yards with a hand gun
jurov: mircea, you apply your stick proficience?
mircea_popescu: i scored best in my military district, way above the instructors.
smickles: i don't recall how accurate i am with my riffle
smickles: best i can say is that i hit squrrels in the head at a distance of 'really far away'
dub: what does squirrel taste like?
smickles: and i almost don't miss clay pigeons with any shotgun i've fired
smickles: the're not much there, but it's meat, and it's nice to eat
jurov: no it tastes like feathers
smickles: if it tastes like feathers to you jurov either i cook it better, or i have no taste :D
mircea_popescu: In some countries, prices for AKs are very low; in Somalia, Rwanda, Mozambique, Congo and Tanzania prices are between $30 and $125 per weapon, and prices have fallen in the last few decades due to mass counterfeiting.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17950 @ 0.0004994 = 8.9642 BTC [+]
smickles: i'd buy one if i had the chance at 30
dub: thats a nip of cheap whiskey
smickles: last wisky i had was 12 usd for 750ml
dub: smickles: probably not whiskey
smickles: no, i don't like burbon so much
dub: $30 is a 21y/o balvenie at the place I spend the most money on whiskey
dub: which while not expensive is in the very fucking good whiskey category
dub: on the rollin on dubs whiskey scale
dub: some other bars would charge up to $200 for that nip
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rdponticelli: com/images/orig/2/e/2eyzesvxmc0fvsmy.jpg&w=454&h=677&ei=L5aZUKu_E42B0AGXzoCIDw&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=223&vpy=47&dur=5779&hovh=274&hovw=184&tx=124&ty=175&sig=114756820779255678031&page=9&tbnh=159&tbnw=109&ndsp=21&ved=1t:429,r:74,s:100,i:226
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rg: anyone here intersted in paying a bill with their cc in exchange for btc
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Chaang-Noi: so whats the deal with asics, who is going to get there first?
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EskimoBob: he said it's now matter of days to a week to get this stuff all nicely cleared up
EskimoBob: will see. Because most people are liars and thieves, it's close to impossible to clear it up without his help
rg: what's a popular romanian food
rg: besides chicken nuggets
mircea_popescu: a sort of polenta called mamaliga is the traditional food.
mircea_popescu: sarmale, which is cabbage stuffed with ground meat and rice, a turkish dish
mircea_popescu: a local sort of baba ganoush (called simply eggplant salad)
rg: that actually sounds really good
mircea_popescu: zacusca which i'm sure kako knows of, it's a veggie stew (usually preserved)
mircea_popescu: there's loads rg, romanians are really high on cuisine.
mircea_popescu: * [MOFO] (~gmycracki@ool-457a56df.dyn.optonline.net) has joined #bitcoin-assets
mircea_popescu: * Received a CTCP PING 303129592 from [MOFO] (to #bitcoin-assets)
mircea_popescu: * Received a CTCP PING 303130013 from [MOFO] (to #bitcoin-assets)
mircea_popescu: * Received a CTCP PING 303130466 from [MOFO] (to #bitcoin-assets)
mircea_popescu: You are being CTCP flooded from [MOFO], ignoring *!*@ool-457a56df.dyn.optonline.net
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19000 @ 0.00050467 = 9.5887 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52008 @ 0.00050509 = 26.2687 BTC [+]
jurov: apparently the ban didnt help
jurov: ú17:59] [CTCP] Received CTCP-PING request from [MOFO] to channel #bitcoin-dev, sending answer.
rg: [12:03] »» Ping reply from mircea_popescu: ? second(s)
mircea_popescu: jurov, i think i'ma replace all ints with ? in statjson
kakobrekla: you should also make a deal for ? trucks of cherries with the cat.
jurov: and pls document it first
mircea_popescu: BUY|!|? documentation : !=* ; ? = % or _ depending on context.
mircea_popescu: and the discrimination between buy and sell has to cease. we'd save a lot of time if it just were
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3592 @ 0.00050509 = 1.8143 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5245 @ 0.00050513 = 2.6494 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: also, shares should be divisible, like copumpkin says. and prices should sometimes include letters too.
kakobrekla: theres nothing wrong with scientific notation
mircea_popescu: actually... maybe we could just use cherries instead of digits/letters. make mpex look more like a slot machine.
kakobrekla: put a cherry in the square instad of mermaid
rg: ITS MY FIRST DAY OF WORK
rg: i really with Diablo-D3 did his hosting idea
rg: cause id work at the place where his servers were
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31606 @ 0.00050363 = 15.9177 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9523 @ 0.00050363 = 4.7961 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14000 @ 0.00050299 = 7.0419 BTC [-]
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3814 @ 0.00049967 = 1.9057 BTC [-]
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9333 @ 0.00050513 = 4.7144 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20522 @ 0.00050513 = 10.3663 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18200 @ 0.00050538 = 9.1979 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7708 @ 0.00050547 = 3.8962 BTC [+]
jurov: (Communist Party of Bohemia and Moravia)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21742 @ 0.00050547 = 10.9899 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22700 @ 0.00050552 = 11.4753 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7172 @ 0.0005059 = 3.6283 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10986 @ 0.0005064 = 5.5633 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18600 @ 0.000503 = 9.3558 BTC [-]
dub: the only truck I have to hand is probably not appropriate
jurov: do i understand correctly? starts leverage trding platform using 300BTC capital?
mircea_popescu: from what ppl were saying (mostly guruvan ) he has something like 30-60 btc of assets.
pigeons: this isn't the guy using the bitcoinica code without fixing any of the obvious bugs is it?
pigeons: well that's nice about katz, i respect changing your mind and realizing when your wrong, cause i have to do it all the time ;)
mircea_popescu: the mildly obnoxious thing about it is that he does it with the "i always said" angle
mircea_popescu: get all the pain and misery without any of the educational benefit sorta plan.
mircea_popescu: sgornick who else got hit these past days with ddos/crap ?
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sgornick: BTC-e gets hit pretty regularly. Their thread alleges it was a hit by Mt. Gox.
pigeons: no it was the secret cabal that is out to get quickbitcoins
sgornick: WalletBit and BitPay got hit in September, with ransom note
mircea_popescu: i had about 3-4 hours of 5-10 hits a second with bs requests
sgornick: If I remember correctly, I think BitSTAMP got a DDoS + ransom note recently too
mircea_popescu: the server didn't care, and i wrote it off as noob/script kiddie, but if there's any pattern in btcworld that's interesting
pigeons: i hope the ransom note had goatscii
mircea_popescu: i hope bitcoin makes actual ransom workable thus taking out of business everyone running shitty software
pigeons: did you read the symantec emails, where the cfo said they would pay the ransom so long as it was in paypal
mircea_popescu: the day shittysoft sales people all come home with "sorry, we can't afford all the ransoms to run your crapware" from all "customers"
dub: symantec is pretty retarded, not sure why anyone would want thier source
dub: 'need to fuck this computer up, brb installing NAV'
pigeons: well first they said, we dont care, release it, its old, then when they started letting it out they said hold on, let us fix some bugs!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11800 @ 0.00050449 = 5.953 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: hm bah im missing the light on the last two and the bumper
kakobrekla: and with that im finished drawing this ridiculus shit.
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 153926 @ 0.00047 = 72.3452 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1074 @ 0.00049723 = 0.534 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30776 @ 0.00049723 = 15.3028 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2116 @ 0.00049773 = 1.0532 BTC [+]
jurov: bonjour, débrouillards!
jurov: The 165th birthday of novelist Bram Stoker has been marked by Google with a Dracula illustration hahaha
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1725 @ 0.00050039 = 0.8632 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22958 @ 0.00050077 = 11.4967 BTC [+]
pigeons: someone decided to play stock market. i am in before your ridicule of them
mircea_popescu: i wonder why do the kids imagine denying reality is productive ?
pigeons: mpex will never be prominent until it uses twitter bootstrap
mircea_popescu: i guess my q is misplaced anyway. what else would they do, it's all they ever learn in "school"
mircea_popescu: i guess from now on if anyone asks me how i found out about btc i'ma say "i just happened"
mircea_popescu: and hilarity will ensue as nobody will know the inside joke other than the insiders, which will bother the outsiders.
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18459 @ 0.00050304 = 9.2856 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1000 @ 0.00050304 = 0.503 BTC [+]
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 200 @ 0.00050304 = 0.1006 BTC [+]
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1907 @ 0.00049563 = 0.9452 BTC [-]
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 252 @ 0.00049552 = 0.1249 BTC [+]
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3000 @ 0.00049668 = 1.49 BTC [+]
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40050 @ 0.0004979 = 19.9409 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7778 @ 0.00050001 = 3.8891 BTC [+]
jurov: did not knew too, but Serajewel informed me... but it seems there won't be identicons nor easily usable API
mircea_popescu: im not entirely clear what'll be like, but i suspect he's gonna try and pull a mpex
mircea_popescu: (make the infrastructure, let others make the interface)
jurov: yes, mentioned something about gpg-encrypted json
jurov: oh, apparently i killed someone of kakobrekla's family. nice.
jurov: couldn't get over these insecurities, eh?
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11550 @ 0.00049326 = 5.6972 BTC [-]
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34590 @ 0.00049295 = 17.0511 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18069 @ 0.00049204 = 8.8907 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C140T] 215 @ 0.10208185 = 21.9476 BTC [+]
dub: without reading before that post, is it DMC 2.0?
mircea_popescu: they're buying 4 singles except why not go for a rig ?
rg: no one in -otc will do it
dub: classic convo in -dev, apparently genjix doesnt irc anymore because all the arugments are a waste of time
dub: 1. Fuckup in every conceivable way, losing shitloads of everyone elses money
dub: 2. Vanish because arguments waste your time
mircea_popescu: dub he doesn't irc anymore because when he tried to come here and "vouch" for nefario i told him where to stick it
mircea_popescu: subsequently he whined @ my datacenter about "cp" which went nowhere
dub: not HIS LJ PLEASE JESUS
mircea_popescu: i seriously do not understand what psych majors/grad students are thinking.
mircea_popescu: there does not exist a mental hospital that could in any conceivable way offer a more fertile field of study.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30500 @ 0.00049204 = 15.0072 BTC [-]
dub: I try to read what dishwara wrote and I urgently need to take a shit
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9231 @ 0.00049204 = 4.542 BTC [-]
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7469 @ 0.00049333 = 3.6847 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31788 @ 0.00049366 = 15.6925 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10964 @ 0.00049443 = 5.4209 BTC [+]
smickles: lol, mircea_popescu MPOE-PR posts a defaulted contract asking for a scammer tag and gets trolled hard, I post a defaulted contract asking for a scammer tag and get satisfaction in a day or so
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16450 @ 0.00049009 = 8.062 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: but i vaguely recall you being trolled a little re arbitrage there too >D
smickles: yeah, but that's nothing like, "you were both mistaken, so mircea, you lose the btc"
mircea_popescu: lol the stuff people came up with in that thread i swear.
smickles: also, it shouldn't matter who you are if you've defaulted on a contract, you have still defaulted on the contract
smickles: mircea_popescu: well, the issue joelK raised is "legit", but the solution in that case would be to return the full amount of the principle to you
mircea_popescu: read to me like "five year olds can not enter into contracts therefore anything anyone says is invalid" sort of bs.
smickles: I don't mean to suggest that it's aplicable in your case tho
mircea_popescu: i mean, if me and patrick had a contract about this online currency which we both believed existed cause we read on something awful
smickles: I think PH (possibly thru his own ignorrance) mislead you
mircea_popescu: that's a misrepresentation of fact, not a common mistake.
mircea_popescu: if i sell you 100 acres of land which is registered improperly and it turns out it's really 99, and i had no idea, and you had no idea then it could be argued.
mircea_popescu: if i sell you 100 acres of land out of a plot of which i already sold someone an acre...
smickles: mircea_popescu: i brought up the issue of common mistake because I think that, if for whatever reason the parties involved decided to declare a common mistake, JoelK's suggestion that PH return anything less than the principal is wrong
smickles: thestringpuller, or should I say, sleeps-when-said-be-awake
mircea_popescu: basically here's how that thing works : if i'm a bank and i cash a cheque drawn fraudulently by a CEO on his company
mircea_popescu: i won't be held liable, if i acted in good faith. it's between the ceo and the company.
smickles: i'm up for monopoly at 4 utc :)
smickles: mircea_popescu: that senario seems wrong to me
pigeons: the common mistake was thinking patrick would repay
smickles: that sound more like fraud, rather than a common mistake
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11958 @ 0.00048916 = 5.8494 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: one day you decide to fuck it all, leave for cuba with your secret lover.
mircea_popescu: you draw a 500k cheque on the company, come to my bank, cash it.
mircea_popescu: the company can't now sue me for 500k. it will have to go sue in cuba.
mircea_popescu: i just did what i normally do : execute what the ceo says i should. it;'s not my job to police the corporate officers of widgets, inc.
dub: the argument seems to be that PH is himself a victim of his customers scams, not a scammer
dub: ie, they promised not to deposti his funds in pirate
mircea_popescu: there's that Roswell State Bank v. Lawrence Walker Cotton Co. case on the subject.
kakobrekla: but he claimed he can handle the scammers no?
mircea_popescu: dub that may well be true. but he can't pass it along to me. he will have to go prosecute them himself.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla i didn't buy shares in a fund he administered (that's a diff scam he pulled). i just loaned him money.
dub: yes well thats a problem with the scammer tag system
dub: it seems to imply intent to scam
mircea_popescu: scammer tag is only minimally relevant. the big deal here is that unlike in the pirate case, where everyone involved tried their darndest to hide the ugly truth in the hope they can offload on suckers
Diablo-D3: [05:28:03] <mircea_popescu> i just did what i normally do : execute what the ceo says i should. it;'s not my job to police the corporate officers of widgets, inc.
mircea_popescu: in general the way this shit goes is "let's not admit that we've been scammed"
Diablo-D3: as long as you're not an executive officer
Diablo-D3: then yes, you know nothing, legally.
Diablo-D3: Im not scrolling up, but how did we get to the point that this was being argued over?
mircea_popescu: anyway, for those interested on common mistake caselaw, bell vs lever brothers is the cannonical, lawschool textbook example.
mircea_popescu: Diablo-D3 the patrick hanrett scammer thread in btctalk
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: summarize plz kthx
mircea_popescu: patrick harnett was hoping to get away with a soft default because he's a special snowflake,
mircea_popescu: it's pretty funny because he's not going to be able to ever find work in his profession again.
dub: his assertion that he would cover from private funds is key
dub: if a business defaults because its debtors default the liability lies with those debtors
dub: depending on its legal setup
mircea_popescu: dub depends if the business was in the business of picking debtors.
mircea_popescu: but the protections of "default" irl don't quite exist in bitcoin.
dub: well IRL a lending business has insurance and if the insurer defaults a govt bails it out
dub: so its kinda the same
dub: except you got fucked directly instead of via a taxman
Diablo-D3: ahh, so his name is his brand? Ive never heard of him
dub: back to sleep with you
mircea_popescu: considering how much he actually has at stake i am uniquely impressed with how stupid he's been.
mircea_popescu: i guess people still fail to understand how deep the internet can come to bite you.
Diablo-D3: thats why Im just sitting back and watching nefario try to find some internet proof anal bum cover.
mircea_popescu: but in his case, fraud means he has to be fired (by law)
mircea_popescu: and he has to disclose that on all future applications (which means he can't be hired)
Diablo-D3: wait, does fraud with bitcoins still equal fraud?
mircea_popescu: and quite frankly nearing 50 and trying to change careers in this economy...
dub: does he have to fire himself?
mircea_popescu: Diablo-D3 if you think i'm not sueing him you're naive.
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: oh, well, yeah, theres that
Diablo-D3: okay so, he fires himself... then... rehires himself?
mircea_popescu: Diablo-D3 and you know what ? my jurisdiction allows me to sue him locally. i hope he speaks romanian and is versed in the law.
Diablo-D3: 500 btc or 500 usd/euros/whatevers?
Diablo-D3: fuck dude, thats like, more than I make in a month :<
mircea_popescu: Diablo-D3 well in a good month i make that every 3rd day
dub: Diablo-D3: you have a job now?
dub: or they give you a $5k/month benefit?
dub: no wonder US is fucked
dub: we give them ~$1k/month
dub: more when they breed
dub: that expression is for use when its comparable
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 10.88000, Best ask: 10.96063, Bid-ask spread: 0.08063, Last trade: 10.96065, 24 hour volume: 25505.17163532, 24 hour low: 10.75000, 24 hour high: 11.07000, 24 hour vwap: 10.92276
dub: so I gues syou use that a lot anyway
dub: a dollar?! thats more than I make in a month
Diablo-D3: holy fuck, its more than I make in 6 months =/
dub: not many people will accept that receiving an unemployment benefit == making money
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: I tried that once, but then realized I'd have to be nice to douchebags
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22339 @ 0.00048916 = 10.9273 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: you have to be at least as nice as my sick hound pr chick
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8553 @ 0.00048916 = 4.1838 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9863 @ 0.00048806 = 4.8137 BTC [-]
Diablo-D3: whats the shortest way of converting interest per day into interest per year
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: wait, that cant be right
Diablo-D3: 0.24%, which according to your math I end up with a little more than 2x than I started with
gribble: Error: Something in there wasn't a valid number.
Diablo-D3: according to today's fictional stock portfolio performance
Diablo-D3: over the next year if the s&p 500 does not move at all
Diablo-D3: ergo, I have just proved wall street is a scam, QED
mircea_popescu: prove global warming too, since you got the tools ready.
Diablo-D3: its snowing outside, ergo global warming is real, QED
mircea_popescu: "temperature somewhat measured has varied somewhat in the past 50 or so years, therefore global warming"
dub: well I dont think thats what science is saying
dub: but it helps the retarded to rationalise like that
dub: 'LOL its colder today than it was yesterday global warming is a lie'
dub: disregard 99.9% of scientists
dub: my point is superficial observations like, its cold or hot today/this year/this decade are meaningless
Diablo-D3: yeah, we really need the last million years of data
Diablo-D3: and thats hard, but not impossible, to acquire
Diablo-D3: the data indicates we're overdue for an ice age
Diablo-D3: the data also indicates it can get hotter than this and, although we're not making a real change at all,it could be the difference between survival and not
dub: the data indicates undeniable human influence in atmospheric carbon levels
Diablo-D3: the world can survive an additional degree of average temp
Diablo-D3: and that may be the sum total of environment change by 2050 by the human race
Diablo-D3: dub: 1 degree of global temp is quite a lot of carbon
dub: but denial helps people sleep at night
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22670 @ 0.00049385 = 11.1956 BTC [+]
dub: its not just about carbon
Diablo-D3: dub: 1 degree of heat, globally, would be catastrophic
dub: theres rainforswt dieback, wholesale rape and poisoning of the ocean
dub: sure ask china, japan, the US
dub: you kill all the fish
midnightmagic: I refuse to provide evidence for your water fetish.
dub: and leach too much superphosphates into the water
dub: they have a little S on the front
midnightmagic: looks as though the process to create superphosphates is the more environmentally damaging..
dub: the fallout of it leaching into the water is one of the most obvious and dramatic affects of pollution
midnightmagic: you mean the effects of crappy oversight in the production facilities where these chemicals are made..
dub: no, where they are used
midnightmagic: that used to be a common complaint. however, using too much so that the plants don't actually consume it, is a strong economic disincentive for its misuse.
dub: it may have improved but still a major problem
dub: not that its the only environmental impact of horticulture
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28711 @ 0.00048806 = 14.0127 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4089 @ 0.00048789 = 1.995 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15500 @ 0.00048789 = 7.5623 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1566 @ 0.00049385 = 0.7734 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23134 @ 0.00050001 = 11.5672 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7846 @ 0.00048789 = 3.828 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37907 @ 0.00048764 = 18.485 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1847 @ 0.00048681 = 0.8991 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17453 @ 0.00048681 = 8.4963 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16847 @ 0.00048676 = 8.2004 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16353 @ 0.00048676 = 7.96 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37397 @ 0.00048657 = 18.1963 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: domainforsale809 2:52 am you can purchase "mpex.cn" with a very fair price.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10100 @ 0.00049367 = 4.9861 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11150 @ 0.00049021 = 5.4658 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45072 @ 0.00049547 = 22.3318 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6165 @ 0.00048974 = 3.0192 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23535 @ 0.00048891 = 11.5065 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43700 @ 0.00049517 = 21.6389 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9150 @ 0.00049517 = 4.5308 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18593 @ 0.00048992 = 9.1091 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5565 @ 0.00048891 = 2.7208 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15600 @ 0.00048824 = 7.6165 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7250 @ 0.00048797 = 3.5378 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 300 @ 0.00339943 = 1.0198 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24426 @ 0.00048797 = 11.9192 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9569 @ 0.00048566 = 4.6473 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 418 @ 0.00048434 = 0.2025 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15500 @ 0.00048434 = 7.5073 BTC [-]
gribble: Current Blocks: 207185 | Current Difficulty: 3304356.3929903 | Next Difficulty At Block: 207647 | Next Difficulty In: 462 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 3 days, 1 hour, 32 minutes, and 6 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 3384633.63150263 | Estimated Percent Change: 2.42943644586
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11282 @ 0.00048434 = 5.4643 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9269 @ 0.00048328 = 4.4795 BTC [-]
jurov: between 29 Nov 9:15 UTC (-2%) and 27 Nov 16:15 UTC (10%)
jurov: that only if bfl ships/mines.
Chaaang-Noi: i expect huge difficulty rise for many alt coins lol
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31155 @ 0.00048558 = 15.1282 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5600 @ 0.00048328 = 2.7064 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14792 @ 0.00048558 = 7.1827 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12155 @ 0.00048328 = 5.8743 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7445 @ 0.00048289 = 3.5951 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11955 @ 0.00048289 = 5.7729 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20045 @ 0.00048256 = 9.6729 BTC [-]
copumpkin: I hate it when my mobo gets dirty too
pigeons: its a car they build like "agile" software, they keep making new revs. they take btc cause they are "disruptive" like that ;)
Chaang-Noi: someone on 4chan said they found it on bitcoinfriday.com a site i dont know about
Chaang-Noi: i guess bitcoin friday is a meme or something on /g/
Chaang-Noi: odd i heard about it on 4chan and not the forum or irc
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7203 @ 0.00048558 = 3.4976 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18397 @ 0.00048841 = 8.9853 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: ofcourse. the word got out bitcoin has gathered a large collection of suckers.
mircea_popescu: For the record, the sought compensation is detailed below:
mircea_popescu: + 1% per week until the date of full repayment. Currently this is 14 weeks (since August the 10th), or 74.7371065 BTC
mircea_popescu: + .01 BTC per word of my posts in this thread. Currently this is 3935 words = 39.35 BTC
Enky: legal expenses of what?
Chaang-Noi: oh, i did not understand you, i thought the forum was under attack or something
Chaang-Noi: he is the only one in the world who would agree with his points on this
Chaang-Noi: i hope he is neer a jeduge in real life
mircea_popescu: i think he's something like unemployed overqualified california type.
mircea_popescu: certanly nothing in the legal profession, way too clueless for that.
mircea_popescu: i mean its not even about agreeing or not, it's like, you never heard of san francisco
mircea_popescu: well, if you never heard of san francisco you're not from the us
Chaang-Noi: he did something with encryption i think
mircea_popescu: now, if these two are maybe having an argument about politics, i could see it as a thing you say, you know ?
mircea_popescu: but if the first person literally has no idea sf exists... then that's that. they're not from the us.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35350 @ 0.00048256 = 17.0585 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10928 @ 0.00048224 = 5.2699 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11429 @ 0.00048841 = 5.582 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27150 @ 0.0004895 = 13.2899 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8457 @ 0.00048955 = 4.1401 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45500 @ 0.00048998 = 22.2941 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26350 @ 0.00049175 = 12.9576 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36650 @ 0.00049437 = 18.1187 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9628 @ 0.00049547 = 4.7704 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41322 @ 0.00049748 = 20.5569 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3538 @ 0.00050001 = 1.769 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34392 @ 0.00050042 = 17.2104 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32950 @ 0.00050288 = 16.5699 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19470 @ 0.00050304 = 9.7942 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4155 @ 0.00050449 = 2.0962 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29009 @ 0.00050518 = 14.6548 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: I am inclined to assume that MPOE-PR is a minion acting in behalf of Mircea Popescu.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57207 @ 0.0005 = 28.6035 BTC [-]
pigeons: she should at least disclose
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22074 @ 0.00050379 = 11.1207 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13476 @ 0.00050379 = 6.7891 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4668 @ 0.00050301 = 2.3481 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1491 @ 0.00050518 = 0.7532 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9941 @ 0.00050575 = 5.0277 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15750 @ 0.00050449 = 7.9457 BTC [-]
smickles: it's like i was one of those just-bearly-legally-blind people before, and just had laser eye surgery
smickles: holy shit, i don't need to have my browser window maximized!
mod6: next, check out some pr0n and see how much better pussy looks in HD
mod6: remember all of the pr0n from like 94 on the tubes and how pixelated it was lol?
kakobrekla: i dont reccomend hd porn, you end up on wiki researching all sorts of std
mod6: ahh, i see your point kakobrekla
kakobrekla: that could be easily interpreted as two boobs
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5600 @ 0.00050301 = 2.8169 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17830 @ 0.00050301 = 8.9687 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12270 @ 0.0005 = 6.135 BTC [-]
smickles: heh, ok, I'll be sure to be there :)
copumpkin: everyone is talking about him these days (for the wrong reasons, probably)
smickles: hmm, i wonder how much of the information in his book is on lesswrong.com, and whether it would be worth buying since that site is free to use
mircea_popescu: it's a good idea to spend ten bux or w/e to support an author you like
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15000 @ 0.0005 = 7.5 BTC [-]
smickles: while I agree, I dunno if I like nate silver or not
smickles: and it's not like that site replicates the content of the book
smickles: they seem to have a similar topic of discussion
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35523 @ 0.0005 = 17.7615 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4224 @ 0.00049989 = 2.1115 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29276 @ 0.00049989 = 14.6348 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18824 @ 0.00049909 = 9.3949 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11576 @ 0.00049909 = 5.7775 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8124 @ 0.00049903 = 4.0541 BTC [-]
BTC-Mining: Large deposit on my account Mircea. Technically just in, but would appreciate being able to place orders right away =P
jurov: in mircealand, 5k is large. Not 200 :D
BTC-Mining: You're almost right on for 5k vs 200 too
BTC-Mining: I'm assuming 5k being among the large deposit based on certain large orders.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16639 @ 0.00050449 = 8.3942 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14661 @ 0.00050575 = 7.4148 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: you know, i've been processing for everyone if pinged, no relation to size.
jurov: ofc. just wanted to joke about the "large" adjective
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15802 @ 0.00050575 = 7.9919 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13908 @ 0.0005063 = 7.0416 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26959 @ 0.00049903 = 13.4533 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8946 @ 0.00049903 = 4.4643 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7654 @ 0.0004988 = 3.8178 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: the only one arguing now is pretteymuch katz
kakobrekla: the rest just want to slap some reality into him or smth
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9250 @ 0.0004988 = 4.6139 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: rdponticelli_ the great advantage of hiring women to do your dirty work
mircea_popescu: dawg, what do i care what joel k. nobody does or doesn't do ? does he own something ? is he somebody ? why'd i give a fuck exactly ?
mircea_popescu: he and the girl can argue till one drops dead as far as i'm concerned
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6606 @ 0.00050097 = 3.3094 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7300 @ 0.00049744 = 3.6313 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9379 @ 0.00049532 = 4.6456 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12471 @ 0.00049525 = 6.1763 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33500 @ 0.00049744 = 16.6642 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26250 @ 0.00049564 = 13.0106 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9850 @ 0.00049525 = 4.8782 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22866 @ 0.00049525 = 11.3244 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12834 @ 0.00049522 = 6.3557 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5100 @ 0.00049591 = 2.5291 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37600 @ 0.00049634 = 18.6624 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: The charity Childline says a girl born in South Africa is more likely to be raped in her lifetime than learn to read.
EskimoBob: Guardian had a good article about charities. Their main goal is not to fix the problems but to spread panic so they can get more and more money. And this was not about some small 1 day projects.
EskimoBob: this money is wasted on all sorts of bs and make the fuckers rich who run the charity. "What about children..." scams work every time
EskimoBob: I bet, you old pervert mircea_popescu were, searching for negro rape porn but ran in to a SA charity article ... lol
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5696 @ 0.00049522 = 2.8208 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17950 @ 0.00049513 = 8.8876 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2254 @ 0.00049492 = 1.1155 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: they don't exist to do their stated job, they exist to pay the salaries of those involved.
EskimoBob: I can not find this article but it was also talking about how kids are now days scared of grownups and how things are gone so bad that people do not even help kids on the street because they can be later charged for who knows what. "protect children" charities have huge role on this
EskimoBob: actually the comment for this article where really informative. Some of the stories, damn
mircea_popescu: i know a couple of different people who left the uk after the 2003 law requiring men "obtain positive agreement at all stages of intercourse" or some such bs
mircea_popescu: and these are people worth well in the 10s of millions.
EskimoBob: there was this one guy telling teh story how a he was on the playground with his kid and someone else kid gut stuck and nobody helped her because of possible sexual assault charges for "touching her"... I mean WTF! All the dad where standing around and did NOTHING. All scared shitless
EskimoBob: so they had to get women as witnesses to even help that kid
EskimoBob: I have kids and reading this shit was brr.... really strange
mircea_popescu: it's all this self feeding stupidity, kids these days believe about 1/3 of the general population is gay, cause that's what they get shown on tv and is implied in school
mircea_popescu: male gays are still the 3% they always were. lesbians still the half percent.
mircea_popescu: i doubt people actually sexually interested in children are one in ten thousand, but the general consensus seems to be "over 100%"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 700 @ 0.00049634 = 0.3474 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10000 @ 0.00049708 = 4.9708 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28256 @ 0.00049708 = 14.0455 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4644 @ 0.00049692 = 2.3077 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32450 @ 0.000497 = 16.1277 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24265 @ 0.0004946 = 12.0015 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7035 @ 0.00049446 = 3.4785 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19690 @ 0.00049614 = 9.769 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4660 @ 0.00049446 = 2.3042 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3205 @ 0.00049446 = 1.5847 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33234 @ 0.00049392 = 16.4149 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10361 @ 0.00049387 = 5.117 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2821 @ 0.00049807 = 1.4051 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19679 @ 0.00049919 = 9.8236 BTC [+]
jurov: yup, earned 5 BTC for drawing :)
jurov: guess having kakobrekla as contestant added some inspiration :P
jurov: ;;gettrust kakobrekla
jurov: not -10 anymore? good :)
jurov: ;;unrate kakobrekla
gribble: Successfully removed your rating for kakobrekla.
jurov: not worth the fuss. fuck the fsa.
gribble: Successfully removed your rating for jurov.
mircea_popescu: in other news, augusto croppo wants to know what mpoe-pr's credentials are.
smickles: augusto c may not accept text on a screen as credentials
jurov: yesterday we just burned 2 hours together with smickles to get me loan... ended it all up by scanned doc with shopped signatures
jurov: cause lender does not know anything bout gpg
smickles: yeah, it was awesome, in a way
smickles: well, a contract was written up. I expected it to be double signed with pgp sigs, but they ended up printing it and using physical sigs
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3800 @ 0.00049387 = 1.8767 BTC [-]
smickles: you'd have to ask jurov, i'm the third party in that thing
jurov: it's public, lemme dig the thread...
jurov: well, apparently this is around market standard lending rate nao.
mircea_popescu: Topic: §§§ Bitcoin Lending Thread - Currently 0 BTC available @ 9% per month (Read 190 times)
smickles: I should start a market competitor for these loans, i could just cash-advance on a credit card, charge a little bit on top and slaughter these rates
mircea_popescu: not really. the cost of underwriting these loans far exceeds any benefit.
mircea_popescu: you won't find a credit officer working for less than 100s of BTC PER LOAN.
smickles: and from the lendee's perspective, if i really needed a btc loan, at these rates, a cash advance on a cc to buy btc is one of at least 5 things i would look into b/f a direct btc loan
mircea_popescu: loans will exist as a market after behemoths a la s.dice/s.mpoe etc are fully floated and held by 1000s of people.
mircea_popescu: then things like buyouts etc will make sense financially, both as size and as risk.
jurov: i'm maxed out my bank+creditcard already.. and it does not accept s.mpoe as collateral
smickles: jurov: I hope you know that I meant no personal slight there :)
jurov: wat? i did not notice any :)
jurov: i considered non-bank loan but these whores ask more than 9% a month anyway
jurov: o mircea, you actually know some credit officer working for more than 100s of BTC PER LOAN?
jurov: not that i want more nao, but someday later
mircea_popescu: the credit officer is the person working for the lender that says yes or no to an application.
mircea_popescu: if they consider 100 applications in one month you owe them say 50`000 btc.
EskimoBob: borrowing btc at those rates is flat out stupid.
mircea_popescu: EskimoBob for sure it only makes sense if you're doing btc stuff.
mircea_popescu: (ie, you are using the loan denomination to eat your btc-collapse risks)
EskimoBob: actually borrowing anything at rates like that is absurd, unless this "stuff" has a massive inflation
smickles: jeebus, my market maker bot is at 92k in size, and I'm not even done
jurov: you mean LOC or BTC?
smickles: i would've said it in LOC, but it's across multiple files, so it'd not be worth it to add them up
jurov: well, my quasi-scalper has 40k, and it uses coinbr lib elsewhere. and was not even profitable
jurov: just very useful to test and find mpex bugs :P
smickles: clearly, you had too few k. that's why it wasn't profitable ;P
mircea_popescu: didn't you get a multi-trillion options position at some point in a db desync ?
jurov: hehe... s.mpoe was hard to scalp, too tight spread.. and options were possible.. if you waited days
jurov: mircea_popescu, sadly the attempt to slip withdrawal past you failed :/
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 739 @ 0.00049387 = 0.365 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17092 @ 0.00049362 = 8.437 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11200 @ 0.00049347 = 5.5269 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2919 @ 0.0004934 = 1.4402 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: but hey, it did the same thing to smickles at some point
smickles: I'm consistantly baffled at the fact that things which seem so simple from a human perspective, are actually fucking complicated
mircea_popescu: "smickles you say ?! MOAR LIEK SCAMKES!!! BAN HJIM!!!!"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13870 @ 0.00049919 = 6.9238 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52850 @ 0.0004998 = 26.4144 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30350 @ 0.00050161 = 15.2239 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39800 @ 0.00050174 = 19.9693 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18400 @ 0.00050175 = 9.2322 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7200 @ 0.00050231 = 3.6166 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36950 @ 0.0005028 = 18.5785 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25956 @ 0.0005035 = 13.0688 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47200 @ 0.00050409 = 23.793 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25820 @ 0.0005042 = 13.0184 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9945 @ 0.00050438 = 5.0161 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39107 @ 0.00050604 = 19.7897 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19242 @ 0.0005063 = 9.7422 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31800 @ 0.00050669 = 16.1127 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11626 @ 0.00050673 = 5.8912 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10074 @ 0.00050683 = 5.1058 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6950 @ 0.00050707 = 3.5241 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10272 @ 0.00050727 = 5.2107 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44900 @ 0.00050739 = 22.7818 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25350 @ 0.00050753 = 12.8659 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49100 @ 0.00050759 = 24.9227 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10393 @ 0.00050795 = 5.2791 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28100 @ 0.0005085 = 14.2889 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29100 @ 0.00050853 = 14.7982 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: this is actually getting to look kinda like the real deal huh
jurov: evidently there's someone thinking like me, but who hasn't such loan problems :)
jurov: *without such problems, i mean
kakobrekla: its all a bubble, sell before bitb comes out i tell you!
jurov: bitb upon us? oh no
jurov: 1. go to mpex front page
jurov: 2. scroll down to the bottom
mod6: haha, you didn't know that was still down there 'eh?
jurov: K. prefix? what wicked financial instrument are you concocting now?
mod6: oh... i didn't see K. in this list:
mircea_popescu: Reward-Drop ETA: 2012-11-29 00:03:55 (2 weeks, 4 days, 1 hour, 40 minutes)
mod6: where did you see that jurov
jurov: mircea, not kolchoz ?
mod6: i bought a new lappy, just setting it up... bbiab
jurov: indeed i suspect mircea turned communist and will start kolkhoz soon :D
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31820 @ 0.00051095 = 16.2584 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18050 @ 0.00051 = 9.2055 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23150 @ 0.00051 = 11.8065 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13550 @ 0.00051003 = 6.9109 BTC [+]
jurov: i'm currently thinking on improving new order screen of coinbr, you won't believe what evil idea i just came up with
jurov: user won't have to copy/paste thhe price, he just clicks into graph similar to live.coinbr.com
jurov: imagine that. no messing with these forms, just click into the graph to generate order of given price and quantity
jurov: i'll make ipad app for that :DDDD
jurov: either i'm insane or brilliant, not sure
jurov: "oh my cat ran over the ipad" lol
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37415 @ 0.00051015 = 19.0873 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4385 @ 0.00051 = 2.2364 BTC [-]
jurov: "Great MPEx Panic Of 2013 Caused By Cat Stepping On IPad"
jurov: better to go sleep, bye
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30100 @ 0.00051 = 15.351 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49960 @ 0.00051 = 25.4796 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1005 @ 0.00050974 = 0.5123 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3201 @ 0.00050974 = 1.6317 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8300 @ 0.00050913 = 4.2258 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49703 @ 0.0005091 = 25.3038 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1672 @ 0.0005091 = 0.8512 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17800 @ 0.00050745 = 9.0326 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18296 @ 0.00050661 = 9.2689 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11845 @ 0.00050108 = 5.9353 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5158 @ 0.00050039 = 2.581 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell btc-mining i think it is your obligation to your investors to help prosecute the scammer.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48397 @ 0.00050039 = 24.2174 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 86 @ 0.0005002 = 0.043 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22764 @ 0.0005002 = 11.3866 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17349 @ 0.00049979 = 8.6709 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25450 @ 0.00049979 = 12.7197 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39200 @ 0.00050175 = 19.6686 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: i cant reach the guy, all the mails are bouncing back goddammit
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26200 @ 0.00050175 = 13.1459 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24900 @ 0.00050605 = 12.6006 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9100 @ 0.00050715 = 4.6151 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6100 @ 0.00050469 = 3.0786 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13743 @ 0.0005021 = 6.9004 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17000 @ 0.0005021 = 8.5357 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21807 @ 0.0005021 = 10.9493 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4651 @ 0.00049979 = 2.3245 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8242 @ 0.00049862 = 4.1096 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: but i guess he didnt get the notice on the email
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37158 @ 0.00049862 = 18.5277 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11426 @ 0.00049858 = 5.6968 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1day: 0.0004934 / 0.00050333 / 0.00051095 (2193849 shares, 1,104.24 BTC), 30day: 0.00030871 / 0.00044148 / 0.00051095 (75251680 shares, 33,222.70 BTC)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31200 @ 0.00050217 = 15.6677 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3674 @ 0.00049858 = 1.8318 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3526 @ 0.00049857 = 1.758 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16600 @ 0.00049857 = 8.2763 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8640 @ 0.00050217 = 4.3387 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28200 @ 0.00050264 = 14.1744 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8160 @ 0.00050286 = 4.1033 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15574 @ 0.00049857 = 7.7647 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 166 @ 0.00049792 = 0.0827 BTC [-]
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jurov: i'll pay someday... when i decide it's necessary to support poor romanian kids
jurov: mircea, how many mpoe shares you actually sold? the IPO was only 1 promile, and that was twice I think
jurov: now I guess it's 1-2% at most... then it's quite exaggeration to extrapolate mkt value from it
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10508 @ 0.0005069 = 5.3265 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1day: 0.0004934 / 0.00050372 / 0.00051095 (2175547 shares, 1,095.87 BTC), 30day: 0.00030871 / 0.00044179 / 0.00051095 (75259427 shares, 33,249.38 BTC)
mircea_popescu: why do you think 14k bitcoins aren't enough to extrapolate based on ?
jurov: ;;calc 1000000000* 0.0005069
jurov: mircea, it's too much uncertainty... and if all major btc companies extrapolated this way i suspect we'll ended with number several times beyond btc in circulation
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1992 @ 0.00050181 = 0.9996 BTC [-]
jurov: ;;calc 100000000*0.00181
jurov: that's satoshidice, for example
jurov: silk road would be much more, etc...
smickles: shouldn't we be calcing the free float market cap (or as close as we can get to it) rather than implied value?
mircea_popescu: but anyway : obviously the value of all items in btc will be more than the total btc.
mircea_popescu: jurov but i think in a world where absolutely NO OTHER measure exists or is used, this measure, flawed as it may be, is much better.
smickles: and, mircea_popescu, didn't you pledge to never release control of 50% the total shares during the initial offering?
kakobrekla: not what i heard for measuring trust mp
kakobrekla: There were no results matching the query.
gribble: Current Blocks: 207520 | Current Difficulty: 3304356.3929903 | Next Difficulty At Block: 207647 | Next Difficulty In: 127 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 20 hours, 10 minutes, and 44 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 3392979.01731214 | Estimated Percent Change: 2.68199351952
jurov: put my whole opinion there.
smickles: Azelphur: I just made pyMPEx better … again
smickles: jurov: you use pympex too, don't you?
smickles: mircea_popescu: added signature verification
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7850 @ 0.00050181 = 3.9392 BTC [-]
jurov: it did not occur to me to check the signature :/ and it's true user's pubkey is used, so it's necessary
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 800 @ 0.0005 = 0.4 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11846 @ 0.00049897 = 5.9108 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17954 @ 0.00049792 = 8.9397 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: was an episode earlier like 30-40k contracts were bought
smickles: Lyspooner: you lookin' to throw some btc at MPBOR?
smickles: Apr 05 22:50:39 {Cusipzzz}i, for one, welcome our stable bitcoin overlords << lol, good line to end on
Lyspooner: i don't know. with mpoe loaded up short calls, i can't expect mircea to not mess around with mtgox on final settlement day
Lyspooner: but seriously what sort of rate can i get for my coins from mpex?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16200 @ 0.00050181 = 8.1293 BTC [+]
jurov: kakobrekla, you mean the loan? of course
smickles: 25% sounds reasonable considering the recent losses
Lyspooner: give me some sort of bitcoin friday 25% guarantee
jurov: kakobrekla, you want longer term?
Lyspooner: or i'll just go buy a hat and some honey
kakobrekla: jurov if you need 100 btc i can lend it to you for a month
jurov: for how much? 9% ?
smickles: on btcjam, that %, is that the term % or a yearly %?
jurov: there's final amount shown too
mircea_popescu: for anyone that still remembers april times tho... it was a really scary time to be in bitcoin.
Lyspooner: 2011 was a scary time to be in euro
jurov: mircea, no , on 1st dec i am to repay 102.9
kakobrekla: hm, 2.9 is per 14 days or 11 that is remaining
smickles: damn jurov was that stat b/f or after our thing?
smickles: mircea_popescu: you so sure we were calcing the same thing?
jurov: smikles, before. but i also have > 100k sell orders there and the collateral isn't counting them
jurov: sorry kakobrekla, you're right, i confused it woth the loan we did w/smickles.
jurov: kakobrekla, if you can accept 6% / month I'll be glad
kakobrekla: well ... its not terribly attractive yet not something to pass along
jurov: 1EXeDPMG5M5imDpaX5znAk3JFx36bVpWaT
jurov: so that means 53BTC due on 11 December 2012?
jurov: kakobrekla, your addy, just in case?
kakobrekla: here it is 1GjVtbovA6Lr8UJgPKQNgzgtMwq4NDoYsR
jurov: okay. and if fsa gets you,. i'll send it to them.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13936 @ 0.00049792 = 6.939 BTC [-]
jurov: so, i just sold my 14yr old daewoo to lyspooner
jurov: for not bad a price :DDD
jurov: uhm, i was ging to fix slightly recessed roof tomorow... perhaps that can wait a month
jurov: and that noisy exhaust... too, prolly
jurov: i'm just poking some fun to lyspooner
Lyspooner: so why should you be worth more than mtgox?
jurov: cause mircea is exponential
Lyspooner: from BFL apparently: ""We'll notify you at least a week before your order is ready and you can send your FPGA in. We are working on a way to cross ship you the device, so you don't have any downtime. It will probably involve you sending us BTC for the amount of the device and we'll refund the BTC when we get your FPGA unit back."
mircea_popescu: <jurov> cause mircea is exponential <<< lol phrase of the year.
mircea_popescu: Lyspooner do you even have currency exchanges in your country ? as an independent business i mean
Lyspooner: currency exchanges exist in my country
mircea_popescu: ok. do you see how one of them would compare to the stock exchange ?
Lyspooner: i could compare their earnings, yes
Lyspooner: they have earnings in some sort of real number
mircea_popescu: no but i mean, exchange house makes x, stock exchange makes y
Lyspooner: but mtgox:currency exchange::mpex:stock exchange isn't a fair analogy
Lyspooner: well if it is a fair analogy then it has been a fair analogy for the past two years
mircea_popescu: and also because irl currency exchanges are in a much better relation to the respective govts
mircea_popescu: for instance, irl an exchanger is bled try in taxes and reg costs, but also protected, because you need a license to do it.
Lyspooner: mtgox merchant solutions is a nice component of their business
mircea_popescu: understand, it's not like i have a deathwish for mtgox or anything. they're doing something valuable and so on.
Lyspooner: ok, but for the same reasons there may be many stock exchanges to compete against mpex
mircea_popescu: not really. you need a lot more credibility to make a mpex than to trade usd for btc or back
Lyspooner: is that why you have such great PR work on the forums
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26600 @ 0.0004989 = 13.2707 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2509 @ 0.00050181 = 1.259 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1650 @ 0.00050715 = 0.8368 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19241 @ 0.0005077 = 9.7687 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: what percentage would rather just have sex with bacon?
smickles: thestringpuller: that is likely going to be 90% or more for 'mericans
jurov: more useful is trading passwords for candy
jurov: if btctalk enabled instant candy transfers, it would melt down
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21471 @ 0.0005077 = 10.9008 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29529 @ 0.00050784 = 14.996 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13971 @ 0.00050784 = 7.095 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14120 @ 0.00050914 = 7.1891 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21900 @ 0.00050928 = 11.1532 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1009 @ 0.00050937 = 0.514 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17167 @ 0.00050937 = 8.7444 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23750 @ 0.00050938 = 12.0978 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34050 @ 0.00050962 = 17.3526 BTC [+]
jurov: the K.KBRL plot thickens
Garr255: but the game is going well, off to a bit of a slow start though
kakobrekla: i dont see how this could possibly end well
Garr255: kakobrekla, for some people it won't, for others it will. that's how these games work.
Garr255: definitely don't ever treat a game like this as an "investment"
kakobrekla: add "for you" at the end of first statement
kakobrekla: not gonna stand in the way just a word of warning
jurov: Garr255, you can incorporate mpex bonds in the game.. for fun and profit
kakobrekla: "fun and profit" seems like something is missing in that phrase... aa i got it "fun, profit and milk"
jurov: or at least satoshidice. or both
Garr255: That would be cool, but I think it'll be best to keep it as straight forward as possible.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44450 @ 0.00051 = 22.6695 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12509 @ 0.00051058 = 6.3868 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40650 @ 0.00051 = 20.7315 BTC [-]
smickles: BTC-Mining: 20:16 < Lyspooner> give me some sort of bitcoin friday 25% guarantee <<< that's how so ;)
smickles: *note, lyspooner didn't get the 25%
BTC-Mining: and I didn't get my discounted by 90% bitcoins for Bitcoin Friday. What a letdown, way to blow up my hopes.
BTC-Mining: I shall thus call it a major failure to provide me Bitcoins en masse.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8946 @ 0.00051058 = 4.5676 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1269 @ 0.00051115 = 0.6486 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47954 @ 0.00051 = 24.4565 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: so joel katz was actually trying to con rather than just being dumb as rocks ?!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34500 @ 0.00051 = 17.595 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27479 @ 0.00051 = 14.0143 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21621 @ 0.00050918 = 11.009 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10572 @ 0.00051007 = 5.3925 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22602 @ 0.00050886 = 11.5013 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4098 @ 0.00050662 = 2.0761 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23451 @ 0.00050428 = 11.8259 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6999 @ 0.00050665 = 3.546 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25027 @ 0.00050256 = 12.5776 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8273 @ 0.0005025 = 4.1572 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11909 @ 0.00050665 = 6.0337 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4301 @ 0.00050913 = 2.1898 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1400 @ 0.00050964 = 0.7135 BTC [+]
jurov: ,-at least it can be easily explained... it imported +7 -1 twice :/
gribble: Current Blocks: 207621 | Current Difficulty: 3304356.3929903 | Next Difficulty At Block: 207647 | Next Difficulty In: 26 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 4 hours, 11 minutes, and 20 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 3387470.00113994 | Estimated Percent Change: 2.5152737255
mircea_popescu: so you mean to tell me that if you imported it 1000 times you'd have 7000 ratings ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20900 @ 0.00051034 = 10.6661 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20591 @ 0.00051034 = 10.5084 BTC [+]
Diablo-D3: I always thought he swam back to the shallow end
Diablo-D3: potc may be his most famous role now, but its sure as hell not a difficult role for him
Diablo-D3: its basically, show up for work drunk, remain drunk, and then return home, still drunk
Diablo-D3: ... okay so, I just described the best job ever. goddamnit.
Diablo-D3: my god, what would happen if him and robert downey jr, like, made a movie together
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10909 @ 0.00051034 = 5.5673 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2187 @ 0.00051015 = 1.1157 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26804 @ 0.00051 = 13.67 BTC [-]
jurov: if i did phonesex, i'll be calling my clients "someone lose big at sdice, buy buy buy" :P
EskimoBob: BTC diff keeps crawling up and up but looks like there is no new money pouring in to push that price up
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21314 @ 0.00051 = 10.8701 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: so what's the story with payb.tc ? i saw some vague accusations of impropriety re pirate funds or what ?
gribble: Current Blocks: 207628 | Current Difficulty: 3304356.3929903 | Next Difficulty At Block: 207647 | Next Difficulty In: 19 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 3 hours, 4 minutes, and 37 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 3383862.79383115 | Estimated Percent Change: 2.40610852417
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 10.92779, Best ask: 11.00990, Bid-ask spread: 0.08211, Last trade: 10.92778, 24 hour volume: 33988.90687136, 24 hour low: 10.70000, 24 hour high: 11.10000, 24 hour vwap: 10.93106
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1882 @ 0.00051 = 0.9598 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9518 @ 0.00050668 = 4.8226 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7655 @ 0.00050668 = 3.8786 BTC [-]
EskimoBob: "mircea_popescu | in case anyone was wondering where they come from," ... who are they? context is missing
EskimoBob: my favorite is the website like bitcoin that uses web browser.
EskimoBob: "you know" was missing from the description so it's still unclear wtf he actually needs :)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7699 @ 0.00051003 = 3.9267 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16270 @ 0.00051014 = 8.3 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16550 @ 0.00051092 = 8.4557 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22079 @ 0.00051115 = 11.2857 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX:O.BTCUSD.C110T] 1day: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 30day: 0.20397018 / 0.20474144 / 0.23775058 (6000 shares, 1,228.45 BTC)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16896 @ 0.00051115 = 8.6364 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1354 @ 0.00051152 = 0.6926 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26751 @ 0.00051003 = 13.6438 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4649 @ 0.0005067 = 2.3556 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14557 @ 0.00051152 = 7.4462 BTC [+]
jurov: thestringpuller, no. only buy/sell them.
jurov: but i can do it manually for you
mircea_popescu: hey everyone : fiction contest. buncha prizes, 120 btc or so prize fund.
jurov: thestringpuller, do you want to do something now? i'll be leaving for a hour or two
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3747 @ 0.00051152 = 1.9167 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12453 @ 0.00051155 = 6.3703 BTC [+]
rdponticelli: Would it be the first literary contest in bitcoinland?
mircea_popescu: i used to do that a lot on trilema, but obviously for romanian.
rdponticelli: Well, if I make something it will be the first time I'll try to write something directly in english...
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: can it take place in a post apocalyptic world?
mircea_popescu: also, someone be kind enough to put it on reddit/stumbleupon/facebook w/e
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12900 @ 0.00051122 = 6.5947 BTC [-]
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: if bitcoin is always under deflationary pressure won't one make money eventually by holding onto the coins?
thestringpuller: i guess i am asking wont over time, your coin will be worth more than when you acquired it
mircea_popescu: in what sense ? in bitcoin your bitcoin will be worth just as much
thestringpuller: cause most people make sales in regards to its price in another currency
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13793 @ 0.00051122 = 7.0513 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1133 @ 0.00050749 = 0.575 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: are you even aware that in the past 10 years the dollar significantly appreciated in zimbabwe dollars ?
mircea_popescu: what do you care about the zimbabwe dollar. makes no difference.
smickles: thestringpuller: well, i was, but I was reading a book
mircea_popescu: i did illustrate it in terms of usd, but mostly for the novelty value
mircea_popescu: you're aware that every hour 300 new btc are minted on average
mircea_popescu: and at some point nobody will care about "other currencies"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10517 @ 0.00050749 = 5.3373 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18779 @ 0.00050693 = 9.5196 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21858 @ 0.0005067 = 11.0754 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: the entire world will crumble to dust, bitcoin will still be here.
dub: theres a Terracoin now?
dub: is that a chain where you constantly involve yourself in scams
dub: no wait that would be DeadTerracoin
smickles: hehe, i even made a post in that forum
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13043 @ 0.0005067 = 6.6089 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3988 @ 0.00050668 = 2.0206 BTC [-]
jurov: folks, the argument that "bitcoin is appreciating, nobody will spend" it is being refuted every day before your very eyes
smickles: I anticipate receiving my incorporation papers this week
smickles: if anyone else want's to get on my client list right-off-the-bat, now is the time to start the discussion
smickles: 'cause after I get them, i'm launching the website and doing some advertising to fill in any gaps
smickles: dub: accounting and related services
jurov: smickles, books auditing too?
smickles: i may even go so low as tax prep, if you entertain me. jurov i can do non-public auditing legally
jurov: but i'll want someday nice gold plaque "audited by smicklez"
smickles: once i'm a cpa in a few years, I can audit public companies
smickles: jurov: I'll be sure it's gold to, part of the audit process
smickles: well, yeah, CPA licensing take a minimum of 2 years in most places
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EskimoBob: mircea_popescu: so get the thread started :)
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EskimoBob: it's like a pool of vomit. Lots of regurgitate crap
EskimoBob: mircea_popescu: but this thread idea is not that bad. In those hard times we have now, people need a way to let it all out and say what they think. :)
EskimoBob: I think your alter ego, that foamy PR cunt, will get her imaginary ass handed to her on a rusty platter
BTC-Mining: She's awfully arrogant, insulting, etc. She's like some kind of rabid animal. That she's right on many things doesn't matter. A rabid animal ain't nice to approach.
kakobrekla: still far better than 95% of the forum idiots
BTC-Mining: I'd personally prefer a condescending tone if she believes someone is acting stupid. Not that aggressive tone. Insults never get your point across. Just makes the opposite side that much stubborn.
BTC-Mining: I just find it counterproductive but eh.
BTC-Mining: "Shreds the competition. Hire the services of Rabid PR."
mircea_popescu: is this about something in particular ? or what thread ? or wtf are we discussing ?
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smickles: ooooh, we poked out above the 30 day sma for a short time
kakobrekla: mono-poly? is smickles playing with himself?
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mircea_popescu: "Prohibition was essentially a religious movement backed by the Methodists, Baptists, Congregationalists, Scandinavian Lutherans and other evangelical churches."
dub: if its a what do bitcointalk users think about $subject discussion, who gives a fuck
dub: oh hey, scrolling down helps
dub: that was re: mpoe-pr
dub: 98% of retards agree..
smickles: "scandinavian lutherans", in 'merica? what, like, on vacation? ;)
smickles: .py time.mktime(time.gmtime())
smickles: oh, no more funbot? or was that a diff. chan.?
EskimoBob: I am going to do something really stupid now
EskimoBob: I am going to spend about 1 h in front of the idiot-tube (aka TV)
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smickles: ya know, that btcjam should really be setup where borrowers say what the highest rate they are willing to pay is, and lenders enter bids for the rate, that way, if a listing fills, new lenders can knock out older lenders by bidding the rate down befor the listing closes
smickles: or borrowers have no input on the rate, lenders bid rates, and at the end, the borrower has the choice to take it or not
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Atomic-Closed: How does one get ahold of their asset issuer to avoid filing a suit?
Atomic-Closed: I mean I have been trying to contact the issuer of an asset listed on GLBSE for over a month and have been ignored
smickles: Atomic-Closed: what would you even sue for?
Atomic-Closed: I have the address of the mining operation and am ready to file suit for unpayed dividends
smickles: i mean, it's not like you can prove you were owed dividends, is it?
smickles: Is the situation different for bitbond?
smickles: 'cause the rest of us can't prove how many (if any) shares we had
BTC-Mining: I just don't see how you can pay anyone claiming to be owed anything without a proof. Claims will be much higher than what's owed.
Atomic-Closed: Considering that the dividends are to be payed on a set scheduled, and statements have been made to how they will be held until the GLBSE crap is over without the input of the shareholders
BTC-Mining: But the issuer don't even know who is or is not a shareholder. Taking input wouldn't even be feasible.
smickles: Atomic-Closed: well, you can sue, but I could also sue my cat
jurov: if you so want to sue, sue nefario. for undue delays
BTC-Mining: If you don't have a proof/document that anything is owed...
Atomic-Closed: Im considering posting hte address of the mining farm on the forum to atleaszt get a response from the op
smickles: non-communication of no new news?
Atomic-Closed: I have the logs of the presale and post sale conversations
jurov: they will say "we're waiting for nefario". what do you do then?
Buglouse: smickles: You're cat would win, according to you, you are its _owner_; slaves are not able to appropriate contrancts?
BTC-Mining: I can talk to Bitbond's issuer... had no problem with that.
Buglouse: smickles: err, you would be suing yourself
smickles: in all seriousness, all glbse assets should be considered lost untill nefario releases the data in provable way
BTC-Mining: He probably didn't answer on account of you demanding to be paid?
smickles: yeah, demanding to be paid at this point is unreasonable
Atomic-Closed: So should that mean that all anonymity is null and void too?
smickles: Atomic-Closed: what are you expecting here? the issue can't do anything because nefario fucked them
BTC-Mining: It means that with anonymity, with the exchange closing, who is owed what got lost.
smickles: and because nefario fucked the issuer, he fucked you too by proxy
smickles: Atomic-Closed: but without proof it would be wrong to pay you and not the others
Atomic-Closed: I was told my that investment was safe by the issuer
BTC-Mining: Imagine you're bitbond. There's people claiming to be owed X and you can't verify. You pay them. Then info is released and you realise many who claimed weren't owed anything at all to start with...
smickles: I know I own X shares of s2cm, but i can't pay even myself dividends
JWU_42: hmm - that is a bit different
smickles: Atomic-Closed: did you ever have the ability to sell them?
JWU_42: but doesn't mean you still hold them
BTC-Mining: aye, but were they transfered on GLBSE or held outside of GLBSE?
smickles: if you ever had the ability to sell them, and don't have proof that you didn't sell them, then you are in the same position
smickles: it's really tough to prove a negative statement
JWU_42: I am in that boat with YABMC - would love to shut it down but can't at this point
JWU_42: need Nef to step up and do what he said
Atomic-Closed: Im thinking that I just need to post the information then. ITs the lack of response here that is killing me
smickles: I know how many shares I had, I likely know how many shares Azelphur has, and I likely know the minimum # of shares imsaguy has. but I can't pay dividends to any of us b/c we have no proof
JWU_42: Atomic-Closed: you own bitbond ?
JWU_42: that is amazingrando, right ?
smickles: Atomic-Closed: I think you're likely just creating usless drama
JWU_42: what are you wanting him to do exactly ?
Atomic-Closed: He stated he had a plan if nef didnt do as promised
smickles: well, that op was in seatle, right?
smickles: "owes community over 20000 usd"
JWU_42: I was not aware shakaru had anything to do with their Washington facility
smickles: mircea_popescu: yeah, but he let shakaru set up the farm after he welched on a massive debt
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Atomic-Closed: I heard that his payement went to the repayment fund
mircea_popescu: i had no idea shakaru had anything to do with it either.
Atomic-Closed: And is all fairness, I am being a bit harsh, but if nef runs, are we all just SOL?
smickles: JWU_42: shakaru told me himself, and sent me pics of it while he was still saying he'd pay me ~600 btc that he owed (still owed) me
mircea_popescu: i am the fucking dean of age of btc finance. this is sad, i've barely been here a year.
mircea_popescu: anyway. so you had the investment pre-ipo and were allocated glbse shares after ipo ?
Atomic-Closed: It was pre the second ipo. Or when the shares were aded
Atomic-Closed: at this point its hard to even know with no access to glbse
mircea_popescu: i can see the guy's position. how can he know you didn't sell the shares on glbse
mircea_popescu: not much he can do. picked the wrong exchange, everyone's fucked.
thestringpuller: How do you know the writing contest won't be a political campaign
mod6: I read the post for sure - I think its a really interesting/worthwhile idea to get some well-thought out discussion on the matter.
mod6: I thought about writing something -- but I better just stick to getting BitOTTer finished
mod6: maybe i'll get a chance to write something though, we'll see. I just got this new lappy working - its /way/ faster for running the android emulator
mod6: 4 cores instead of 2 = zooooooom
mircea_popescu: should give the people who didn't learn math in school a chance too
mod6: you've had a bunch of good posts in english on trilema, so thx for that
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jurov: mircea, is there any difference in exercising MKOPT and SPLIT-issued option for the issuer?
jurov: so both are allocated as appropriate part of total exercises?
mod6: how's coinbr going jurov?
jurov: welcome. seems you were on the wrong side of the split :P
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dub: the point of life is for the civilised world to ensure that the uncivilised never catch up?
dub: doesn't quite fit the 'free market' ideology
pigeons: "civilised" is a vague/loaded word
dub: its easy to infer my meaning though
dub: the countries that understand the need to recycle/manage waste
pigeons: there is no response to his statement
dub: he is ensuring that she cannot?
dub: by poisoning her and rendering her environment unproductive at best, probably uninhabitable by dick's standards
mircea_popescu: the assumption underlying your evaluation is that dick = jane
dub: what happens when jane dies and dick has to look after his own shit
mircea_popescu: this is false. dick is a pretty cool guy. jane is a worthless pos.
mircea_popescu: dick is giving her a crumb in exchange for her scratching his back.
dub: no, dick is giving her a poison chalice
mircea_popescu: if he doesn't want the risk of breaking a nail she can do w/o the crumb.
mircea_popescu: not everyone belongs in a palace. most people belong in the huts, so as to have palaces. for just a few.
smickles: what's this fun with dick and jane? /me scrolls log
dub: mircea_popescu: what happens when there are no more habitable huts
smickles: What are they burning plastic for?
dub: dick flies away in his magic rocket to another place and starts over?
dub: mircea_popescu: that is not a realistic end game
smickles: that's not how you recycle plastic, afaik
mircea_popescu: if you imagine that the entire population of africa croaking tomorrow would make any difference you're dreaming.
dub: smickles: thats what happens to most of your countries recylcling
smickles: if all of africal died, i'd say that's a pretty big market opportunity
smickles: who makes money by shipping all my plastic to ghana?
mircea_popescu: the problem really is these days, the rich/successful/smart don't flaunt it nearly enough
smickles: that sounds like a great racket to be in
mircea_popescu: the poor/stupid/failed get the idea that they're doing pretty ok
dub: some contractor to your govt
mircea_popescu: and it's just "bad luck". or even they;'re owed something.
mircea_popescu: smickles it's not even the case, most plastic gets buried.
dub: unless dick has already started on his escape plan (protip: he hasn't because he's spending all his money making war) then your end game fails
smickles: seems better to bury it than burn it to me
dub: they're burning it to extract metal
dub: mircea_popescu: the rocket of course
mircea_popescu: get out. when "there's" no more inhabitable huts some will be buldozed, asphalted over and re-hutted
dub: smickles: they've been sold the opportunity to extract metal and sell it
mircea_popescu: and some will be just repopulated with ex-hut dwellers beaten into submission to new hut environment.
dub: only the catch is they have to die and kill thier land in the process
mircea_popescu: and i suppose it's your fault they're being stupid dub ?
dub: I recycle my rubbish because it saves me money
dub: I know that its not really being recycled, not in a scalable manner
mircea_popescu: i recycle because, guess what, i use recyclabe materials.
dub: its killing children in ghana
mircea_popescu: i buy glass bottles. my total plastic consumption is something like a few kgs a year.
dub: no you recycle because you have been incentivized via your wallet
mircea_popescu: romania is a world apart. recycling was always high here
dub: (I presume there is differentiated charging for recycling and common waste disposal in romania)
mircea_popescu: ever since the commie times they had an efficient recycling system in place.
dub: kakobrekla: carrot/stick same deal
mircea_popescu: this is like, the 60s. way before the west found out about recycling.
dub: mircea_popescu: do you actually know where the recycling goes?
mircea_popescu: and in any event garbage costs are dismal, i pay 2.8 euros per month
mircea_popescu: dub glass to the glass factory. metal to the metal sorting/refurbishing centers. paper to teh paper factory. etc.
dub: the market provides you an incentive to spend time sorting trash
mircea_popescu: this is like saying the market provides me an incentive to chat with you. doth not, considering what i make it'd be hard pressed to.
dub: anyway, the market then takes your trash and money and the money the state gives it to quietly dispose of its shit, and shops it to the 3rd world
smickles: so dub who is this contractor you mentioned, and what part of the gov't actually gives them teh monies?
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dub: smickles: some company, and the same part of govt that collects tax
dub: well no, but you get the idea
mircea_popescu: and i seriously see no problem even if all the garbage was dumped on some failed country.
smickles: lol, you have no details? where did you even get this info?
dub: mircea_popescu: well thats not normal from my understanding
mircea_popescu: this is what you get for sucking '; you store everyone's garbage. fuck you.
dub: smickles: its entirely dependant on idunno what vfuckign country you are in?
pigeons: i dump all my garbage when i fly over romania
smickles: dub: so all of this is speculation?
dub: smickles: 'that guy didnt spoonfeed me the answers' is not a defence
smickles: i'm not forming a defence here, am I?
mircea_popescu: for there are dumbass africans who burn their plastics!!!
smickles: anyway, generally, when you make an assertion, you should be able to justify it
dub: the africans would not burn the waste if we did not give it to them for that purpose
mircea_popescu: let's give them some wells for the purpose of jumping in ?
dub: smickles: not really
dub: its teh case here, that means its likely the case in most of the world
pigeons: only if we can have round the clock news of the rescue attempts
smickles: the africans would not burn the waste if we did not give it to them for that purpose <<< define tenuous
mircea_popescu: next im going to hear an argument that slavery reparations should be enacted, to repay the young africans disposed of by the older africans.
dub: smickles: they wouldnt have the waste to burn if our corporations did not provide massive amounts of it to them
smickles: its teh case here, that means its likely the case in most of the world <<< hasty generalization
mircea_popescu: dub that's ridiculous. i have caustic stuff in my house, i don't pour it in my eyes
dub: generalisations are all there is
smickles: dude, ever taken a logic class?
dub: mircea_popescu: they've been sold recycling
dub: its all profit driven out of western markets
dub: why the fuck else would it happen?
dub: well they dont really want it
smickles: didn't the wester world go thru hundreds of years of shit to get where they are now?
mircea_popescu: this is sounding like the rape trial. "well... i didn't REALLY want it"
dub: take shell in nigeria
mircea_popescu: in fact, as recent as 100 years ago london was so covered in coal dust they had coal storms
dub: do the villages that get poisoned want to die?
dub: goodluck jonathan opened his arms
dub: sure, just need bigger guns
mircea_popescu: which brings us round circle : this is the fucking point of life. either get the bigger gun or get good at sucking cock.
dub: the tide of shit will flow
mircea_popescu: what doesn't scale is your expectation that every kid gets xmas
mircea_popescu: some kids die in the snow in front of my house. not all kids get xmas.
smickles: ya know, if you want to change the minds of smart people, you'll need to avoid logical fallacies
smickles: otherwise, they tend to have fun with you
dub: all this free market ideology is complete bullshit when the actions of a few prevent the many from even participating
mircea_popescu: smickles i think he just wants to unwind from the brainless zombie regurgitated crap he's bombarded with non stop in the "civilised" world.
dub: smickles: smart people know these things
dub: I'm not trying to educate
mircea_popescu: no. idiots who invest in pirate and masquerade as "smart" "know" these "things"
mircea_popescu: would you have preferred i said "buy nefario flowers" ?
dub: smickles: which logical fallacies btw
smickles: so, it looks ly my city's plastic is either recycled locally, or burried locally
dub: did you grasp that its not 'plastic' they are burning?
dub: its e-waste contaning metals they are extracting for resale
smickles: well, i haven't found details about how most tucson corpo's recycle their compies yet
dub: also if you are going to compartmentalise this into 'the waste I personally generate' well, lol @ the convince smart people stuff
mircea_popescu: <dub> all this free market ideology is complete bullshit when the actions of a few prevent the many from even participating << srsly, it's the stupidity of the many that prevents them from participating.
dub: well again, when you have corrupt authoritarian states forcing their people to do this..
smickles: ug, compartmentalize? you said it was some contractor from my gov't, i'm looking for that
mircea_popescu: corruption is something of the people by the people, it's not fallen from the sky.
dub: sure there is stupidity but its not like jane's son *click*bele mbwamba born with cancer from the lead in the water supply can do shit
dub: well im not sure but I think the free market idea is that he can improve his lot
smickles: ya know, it does involve a bit of luck,
mircea_popescu: and your problem is that you spurn his improving his shitty lot to shitty+1
smickles: imporvement over being a computer burner prolly doesn't look like much to us, but may look like a lot to them
mircea_popescu: it ain't how it works. takes generations of peopleworking dilligently.
mircea_popescu: it's how it works, going down is easier than going up.
dub: my view is purely selfish
dub: you need to manage the proles
dub: it costs more not to, in the long run
smickles: dub: what are you suggesting we do
mircea_popescu: heh so as usual the socialist are actually the racists.
mircea_popescu: dude, they have the right to manage themselves, let them.
smickles: well, I mean, mircea_popescu is probably in a better position to do something than I am
dub: be honest, put your rubbish in your local landfil and wear the environmental fallout yourself
mircea_popescu: dub that'd just destroy land values, i'd move to their country via gentrification and force them to move to mine
dub: instead of exporting your problem for profit
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smickles: I'm still not finding thes people who ship US compies to African countries to be melted down
dub: its not like they advertise this widely
mircea_popescu: smickles the reason you aren't is because there's no such thing. on the african side it's pretty much independent business.
mircea_popescu: as in, those unfortunate fucks are both more respectable and more human than the average us office drone
smickles: dub: there'd at least be indications of it from the gov't, b/c i doubt poor african countries pay enough to make it profitable on their own
smickles: a line item in a budget somewhere, associated with a statute
dub: where would there be indications?
dub: can you see the books of the waste contractors?
mircea_popescu: he's gonna find the gold my grand-grandfather hid when the turks invaded
smickles: maybe it's a tax writeoff for donating the computers
smickles: resale and donation would stop it from being classified as hazardous
dub: probalby, some carbon credits to boot
dub: it does like this, you pay Super Envirocorp Green Recycling LLC, your govt apys them, africa pays them, and they probably don't pay tax, perfect
smickles: ok, shipping computers to other countries for disposal or donation is illegal as of 1 year after those pics were taken
dub: apparently someone grew a concience
dub: how socialist of them
smickles: :( makes this last hour seem so pointless and wasteful
dub: really? I've been built a few $100k of internets while chatting
smickles: oh, sorry, you didn't spoon feed me the info, so I had to actually work at finding it
dub: free market bro, gotta do the work
smickles: i just hope my daughter survived the neglect
mircea_popescu: smickles if you find her burning computer parts you know who to send the med bills to nao.
smickles: naw, just kidding, her mom was taking her for a walk
dub: about 40Gbps of access network, in a farming town
dub: by providing faster porn to the farmer, less animals will be abused
mircea_popescu: you're taking advantage of their backwards farmish nature
dub: in my locality anyway, that animal porn will be made offshore
mircea_popescu: to deploy your internets in less congested and thuys cheaper area
mircea_popescu: grow a conscience! no more computer donations to africans and no more internets to farming towns!
dub: they demand faster porn, the market provides
smickles: mircea_popescu: the market demands an MPEx api call ('PROFIT|X', where X is a positive integer in satoshi) which gives me btc
dub: I recycled two keyboards this week :(
smickles: I still have those old IBM clicky keyboards
dub: yeah, colleague near me insists on using one, annoying as hell
dub: DEPR NEED TO HEAR MY CLICKS
dub: IM A SRS ENGINEER, JUST LISTEN!
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mircea_popescu: smickles m'boy you've got the perfect reddit submission. everyone likes it.
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mircea_popescu: Certified computer forensic examiner out of Austin, Texas, lawyer Craig Ball, says that authorities can use the serial numbers off of two flash drives, said to contain the tax returns, left at a political office in Williamson County. Each computer keeps a record of all external devices plugged into them. Considering how easy a task this is, one suspects that the authorities would have already completed it, either impl
mircea_popescu: this is such bs. who told them what "all computers" do ffs
dub: Certified (A+, MCSE) computer exphurts
dub: especially lulzy are security certs
coingenuity: mircea_popescu: knightmb having a case built against him?
mircea_popescu: coingenuity so they say. particularly uninformed article
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smickles: poked above the 30 day sma again
Diablo-D3: wow, I missed DiabloMiner's birthday
Diablo-D3: Date: Sat Nov 6 11:16:17 2010 -0400
dub: the oldest turd that hasnt turned white
mircea_popescu: so how long before pretty much everyone who issed glbse shares says fuck it and moves on ?
Diablo-D3: which like a decade in bitcoin time
dub: is the send nefario flowers thing happening?
mircea_popescu: dub i hope it isn't for the reason that the idiots who'd do it lost all their money to scammers already and are facing deportation
dub: gotta be creepy getting flowers from a bunch of people that basically want your scalp
dub: its saying 'you can't hide motherfucker'
mircea_popescu: they don't know what the fuck they want, but it'd be something like someone telling them they're ok.
mircea_popescu: which is why the pr chick is getting on so many nerves, imho.
smickles: heh, "so how long until i can just start using this btc as my own" (from the issuer's perspective), is that what you're asking mircea_popescu ?
mircea_popescu: smickles well, not rly, seeing how the point of issuing was to get btc to use as their own
mircea_popescu: i was asking more along the lines of, "when will everyone be forced to put glbse shares as 0 in their books"
mircea_popescu: obviously prudence requires them do that already, but experience shows btc noobies absolutely never do it.
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smickles: it's to the point where they actually have to acknowlage it and respond to it
smickles: Of course, when the marijuana one got there, the answer was so full of lies it boggled the mind
smickles: so I expect the answer will be "no, it's illegal"
smickles: followed by "there is no historical precident"
mod6: yeah, texas was its own country for a period
smickles: and "no country has ever formed by declaring independance"
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6913 @ 0.00051232 = 3.5417 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24953 @ 0.00051264 = 12.7919 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: if i had offered .1 btc for some stupidshit like a signature it would be FULL
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: what exactly is it that you want written, however?
mircea_popescu: well, you kinda have to read the article. but it's a 4-6k words fiction piece
Diablo-D3: but you sort of go off on a tangent
mircea_popescu: either find one more, or else write out one of the three
Diablo-D3: how about I write a story about how the rothchilds have a pgp contract with lucifer the morningstar, their god, and thus end the world
mircea_popescu: nobody's getting assasinated cause of something they wrote on the interwebs
Diablo-D3: but its true about them and lucifer :<
jurov: diablo, in that case, you don't have to fear anything when you get asassinated for revealing such truth
jurov: for this deed shall surely wawrd you place in God's Kingdom
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jurov: you will, sooner or later
Diablo-D3: well, sometimes. I did it a few times during WW2, some of them wern't so bad.
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: I think I have a better idea, though
mircea_popescu: right, because bitcoin people are this mix of 1% people who have not the time to fuck their gfs and 99% people who never had a gf
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: you've never read a book while getting a blowjob?
mircea_popescu: bah i wish cpanel would STOP CHANGING THE LOOKS OF THE WEB INTERFACE
mircea_popescu: In 59 Philadelphia voting divisions, Mitt Romney got zero votes.
mircea_popescu: Detroit has more registered voters than residents over 18, Census finds
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: CLEARLY THIS IS THE WORK OF OBAMA
Diablo-D3: my faux republican rage wore out quite some time ago
Diablo-D3: there are no first world countries left
mircea_popescu: i mean, for all of the 20th century they've kept pretending and we've kept pretending like they're part of civilisation
mircea_popescu: but, really... never was the case. becomes more and more obvious.
Diablo-D3: one that preserves the rights of life, liberty, and PUSSY!
EskimoBob: mircea_popescu: did you (or she) set up the thread in the forums about what people think about your PR?
mircea_popescu: ohio had a county where there was a 103% voter turnout
mircea_popescu: you know... this happened in a hamlet in romania last elections
mircea_popescu: those people are now spending their time between the da and the court.
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10094 @ 0.00050221 = 5.0693 BTC [-]
EskimoBob: SupaDupa: wtf are you spamming? Get a life, you fkn asshole, or just hang yourself '
jurov: to know what ppl think about MPOE-PR
EskimoBob: Guest66360 is the same scumbag SupaDupa:
jurov: eskimo, you really think they will ever start such thread? why?
EskimoBob: we really need a OP here to kick idiots like supasupa for good
Maxxxx: you are definately suckin both my balls
Maxxxx: but maybe if you slow down I can pull one outta your mouf
AreFun: since Obama is president shouldn't it be called The Half-White House?
AreFun: considering he's half black...
EskimoBob: take a look at the petition site, it's really funny
Diablo-D3: the jokes will never be funny, really
Diablo-D3: its called the white house because of the color on the outside, not the colored on the inside
AreFun: are you saying Obama is black on the inside
AreFun: last time I checked your skin colour was on the fuckin outside Diablo-D3
AreFun: considering your fuckin skin colour is only visible on the outside since it's fuckin skin
mircea_popescu: this dude wants to fix bitcoin : there should be pairs of bitcoins "going in countercurrent"
AreFun: I know there's a ton of grape drink in The White House now
mircea_popescu: is this the guy who used to spam goatse re some bitcoin ransom or something like that ?
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EskimoBob: this was probably supadupa, known lunatic from ltc and btc channel
Diablo-D3: that asshole has been causing problems lately again
EskimoBob: yes. sending huge pkg as CTCP ping
Diablo-D3: yeah, what did he think that was going to do?
EskimoBob: if you have a crappy line, it will drop your connection or something like that
Diablo-D3: I have a crappy line, it does nothing.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21793 @ 0.00050221 = 10.9447 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11150 @ 0.00050217 = 5.5992 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10357 @ 0.00050215 = 5.2008 BTC [-]
Chaaang-Noi: <mircea_popescu> did you copy the ltc one? :)
EskimoBob: Chaang-Noi: usagi was here yesterday but took off shortly.
EskimoBob: Looks like he is also following me around the fkn forum like a pervert :)
Chaaang-Noi: i hope it gets done, ill chip in a btc to whoever does it
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13721 @ 0.00050198 = 6.8877 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13436 @ 0.00050175 = 6.7415 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17828 @ 0.00050175 = 8.9452 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11100 @ 0.00050164 = 5.5682 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 572 @ 0.0005016 = 0.2869 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7078 @ 0.0005016 = 3.5503 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12052 @ 0.00050128 = 6.0414 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3770 @ 0.0005012 = 1.8895 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42600 @ 0.0005012 = 21.3511 BTC [-]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 10.95001, Best ask: 10.99998, Bid-ask spread: 0.04997, Last trade: 10.99999, 24 hour volume: 20598.93273169, 24 hour low: 10.92150, 24 hour high: 11.18000, 24 hour vwap: 11.03907
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9692 @ 0.0005012 = 4.8576 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 358 @ 0.0005011 = 0.1794 BTC [-]
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: I feel like option prices are correlated to the bots opinion on which way the price will swing.
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 10.97471, Best ask: 10.98990, Bid-ask spread: 0.01519, Last trade: 10.98990, 24 hour volume: 17626.08933055, 24 hour low: 10.92150, 24 hour high: 11.16998, 24 hour vwap: 11.03109
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9819 @ 0.0005011 = 4.9203 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37231 @ 0.0005009 = 18.649 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: so what's the story with the bfl/other asics ? late october came and went, early november came and by now went
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15019 @ 0.0005009 = 7.523 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17400 @ 0.00050085 = 8.7148 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 831 @ 0.00050066 = 0.416 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: "You never donated for the welfare of this forum. Your username is present in various ignore lists. You have no respect for Theymos neither you share any preferences with him."
mircea_popescu: i do have various bets bound to make me a lot of monyz if there's no asics this year, so
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34600 @ 0.00050066 = 17.3228 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4269 @ 0.00050066 = 2.1373 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8516 @ 0.00050006 = 4.2585 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31350 @ 0.00050115 = 15.7111 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19850 @ 0.00050121 = 9.949 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31700 @ 0.00050006 = 15.8519 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: so theymos has not read the thread but has an opinion.
mircea_popescu: i must have missed something here. some college student. ok, so ?
kuzetsa: mircea_popescu: just... like...
kuzetsa: why did you consider glbse to be shady or poorly run or whatever compared to yours?
kuzetsa: other than just being a competing service (which is a major reason I blindly ignored your criticism when I was actively getting myself screwed a few months ago on GLBSE)
mircea_popescu: but to try and sum up months of history : i considered it poorly run right off the bat for technical reasons.
mircea_popescu: these involve deep issues of security from a philosophical perspective, but also simple things like, they were using google analytics on the pages ;/
kuzetsa: ah lol yeah. I always try to make sure my session cookies end up invalid whenever I got AFK by manually logging out :)
mircea_popescu: and i considered it shady because of the behaviour re scammers. the exact sort of thing theymos is doing.
mircea_popescu: nefario supported peter lambert, theymos is supporting patrick harnett, it's all the same "buddy-buddy" bullshit.
mircea_popescu: this is not how people who have any business experience or any understanding of the world or intellectual maturity behave,.
mircea_popescu: but by now i could probably write a book as to all the many countless things that were wrong with it.
kuzetsa: thanks mircea_popescu, that list was pretty exhaustive. better managed & more secure with a solid exit strategy :(
mircea_popescu: and the funny thing is, people jumped all over mpex back in july cause "o, what happens if mpex goes away"
mircea_popescu: and the pr girl said AT THE TIME "now go ask glbse the same thing"
kuzetsa: yeah. assuming that genuine concern is trolling has become too common.
mircea_popescu: easy cop out too. someone says something we don't understand ? THEYRE TROLLING
mircea_popescu: you couldn't have missed that guy's stuff, it was all over the forum at some point.
kuzetsa: out of all the bitcointalk threads, and the freenode #bitcoin-xxx? discissions I've participated, the name usagi doesn't really stand out.
kuzetsa: vaguely perhaps... I dunno.
kuzetsa: my skills of observation / attention span & short term memory are kinda limited. chronic symptoms from acquired brain injury I got a few years ago due to hurricane katrina (2005)
kuzetsa: and now I live in NY, wheee! yay for sandy lolo
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16000 @ 0.00049923 = 7.9877 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27110 @ 0.00049913 = 13.5314 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4309 @ 0.00049865 = 2.1487 BTC [-]
gribble: Current Blocks: 200134 | Current Difficulty: 2864140.507811 | Next Difficulty At Block: 201599 | Next Difficulty In: 1465 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 3 days, 9 hours, 51 minutes, and 50 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 3196800.71455154 | Estimated Percent Change: 11.6146608671
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 76000 @ 0.00325 = 247 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 119628 @ 0.00325 = 388.791 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 42700 @ 0.00325 = 138.775 BTC [-]
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11379 @ 0.00050121 = 5.7033 BTC [+]
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10274 @ 0.00049844 = 5.121 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6705 @ 0.00049796 = 3.3388 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 9260 @ 0.00325 = 30.095 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 32412 @ 0.00325 = 105.339 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16852 @ 0.00049796 = 8.3916 BTC [-]
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18760 @ 0.00049761 = 9.3352 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 90 @ 0.00049756 = 0.0448 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 9260 @ 0.00325 = 30.095 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 740 @ 0.00339942 = 2.5156 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10860 @ 0.00049756 = 5.4035 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2710 @ 0.0004975 = 1.3482 BTC [-]
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10700 @ 0.00049738 = 5.322 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 154 @ 0.00049736 = 0.0766 BTC [-]
smickles: might be a nice test to see if one of the largest companies in the world's lawyers think bitcoin is money
smickles: then again, if the lawyers look at it, they might just say no by default
mircea_popescu: anyone have a link handy to that nefario-at-conference lulzgasm ?
jurov: lol, two different angles
smickles: let's make a 3d rendering of his face!
mircea_popescu: yep. i'm a scholar. beatingdead horses is what i principally do.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19835 @ 0.00049736 = 9.8651 BTC [-]
dub: I cant run an auction denominated !usd
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14064 @ 0.00049776 = 7.0005 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14686 @ 0.00050023 = 7.3464 BTC [+]
Diablo-D3: yeah, thats end of the world shit right there
Diablo-D3: revolution is always 3 twinkies away
Chaaang-Noi: i have family involved with hostes, they are just going to shut things down and sell off
Chaaang-Noi: its almost a momopoly and coke is sold everywhere in the west...
Chaaang-Noi: they can sell coke for less than they sell bottled water :/
Chaaang-Noi: i could not load your artical but i know 3 plants have been shut down cuz of the strike and they wont reopen
Chaaang-Noi: i dont think they will open up again, its better for them just to sell off their assets, labour costs are going to kill them
Chaaang-Noi: paying people medical and retired benifits for min wage factory jobs like boxing and what not is silly, in china they do it for 20 cents a day, here in the usa its crazy like $100 a person...
Chaaang-Noi: im shocked they lasted as long as they have
Chaaang-Noi: d-3 if you keep them feed they will be good :)
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3700 @ 0.00049638 = 1.8366 BTC [-]
Chaaang-Noi: if you have to pay you are doing it wrong...
Chaaang-Noi: girls there will pay you to marry them, i bet the "match maker" is taking 6000$ from both sides, lol
Diablo-D3: Im surprised there isnt jew/asian-style matchmaking prevelent in the US
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17907 @ 0.00050381 = 9.0217 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12495 @ 0.00050496 = 6.3095 BTC [+]
Chaaang-Noi: $6000 is high, in thailand thats way to much
mircea_popescu: i wonder how long till the first glbse bride buying company
Chaaang-Noi: people in the west think of this as human trafficing but its normal part of the culture
Diablo-D3: Chaaang-Noi: yeah, its not human trafficing if the women consent
Chaaang-Noi: well... conset is not really a concept women have over here...
Chaaang-Noi: they do what they are told by father/husband...
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26283 @ 0.0005074 = 13.336 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12550 @ 0.00050764 = 6.3709 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 69800 @ 0.00050773 = 35.4396 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25100 @ 0.00050829 = 12.7581 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18304 @ 0.00050831 = 9.3041 BTC [+]
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: I mean they havent been picked up off the street and stored in cages
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12400 @ 0.00050866 = 6.3074 BTC [+]
Chaaang-Noi: in norhtern thailand for a group of people they sell their daughters into marrage for 40,000 baht as a high average, thats about $1,300 usd
Diablo-D3: yeah really, I dont get the point of a sex dungeon
Chaaang-Noi: waht does a romanian virgin go for mircea or is there not a market anymore?
Diablo-D3: I mean, if you're into kinky shit, thats fine
Diablo-D3: but why keep her tied up when you can just have her prance around the house naked
Chaaang-Noi: i saw a jap cartoon comic once where a baby was fucked before birth... japs are twisted...
Chaaang-Noi: hey copumpkin, its almost pumkin pie time, you gots to hide?
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: I meant between erections.
Diablo-D3: since, clearly, women are only useful for cooking, cleaning, and sex.
mircea_popescu: get out, my slavegirls make better conversation partners than most of you.
Chaaang-Noi: D3 they are good for watching offspring...
mircea_popescu: they also play bridge and poker, and do other fun stuff.
copumpkin: they ride upside-down on the front of his car, like gord
Diablo-D3: copumpkin: hey, it takes skills to hang off the front of a car using nothing but their pussy and the hood ordiment
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: seriously though, you dont have slavegirls, you have multiple wives
Diablo-D3: because they probably could kill you at any point they wished.
Chaaang-Noi: i have myself been woried of an uprising...
Chaaang-Noi: just make it so you are worth more to them alive than dead :)
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: what, you dont think slaves have ever beaten their masters?
Diablo-D3: * 15 minutes later, mircea is locked up in his own dungeon *
copumpkin: mircea_popescu: do you accept slave applications? I need a master
mircea_popescu: haha, there's much you don't know about obedience young grasshobbler.
Chaaang-Noi: copumpin wtf is gord doing... i mean why is gord doing that... how can that be a fetish?
copumpkin: Chaaang-Noi: search for "house of gord" and see all the other good stuff he does
copumpkin: and they pay him to do that, I think
copumpkin: oh shit, mircea_popescu knows my secret
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: seriously though, chicks who are into that are into that because they're into that
copumpkin: Chaaang-Noi: he has a pretty sweet chariot made from a couple of women
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: well, you make it sound like you're some sort of king of a nation here
mircea_popescu: wasn't aware i was. no, not really. just a few womenz.
Chaaang-Noi: d3 its not that hard to set up in some part of the world
Chaaang-Noi: having a few girls is not odd at all in thailand...
mircea_popescu: im not sure what the part of the world has to do with anything.
Diablo-D3: Chaaang-Noi: I dont see the point, really
Diablo-D3: no, its like a bunch of boobs, er, tubes!
mircea_popescu: Diablo-D3 if you're much smarter than people in general you get to pick some people to own. it's really that simple.
Chaaang-Noi: i think it would be more difficult to get the average american girl to do the same as the average thai girl...
Chaaang-Noi: hell in the usa you cant buy a girl for $2000...
Diablo-D3: yeah, american girls think they rule the house
Diablo-D3: jewish women? yes. asian women? yes. american women? hell no.
Chaaang-Noi: in thailand the girls grow up expecting to be sold one day...
Diablo-D3: Chaaang-Noi: so how hard would it be to cause a revolution in thailand?
Chaaang-Noi: Thailand has a King and a very very strong Army...
Diablo-D3: Chaaang-Noi: all the women become mine.
Chaaang-Noi: just save some cash D3 and you can have more than you need/want
mircea_popescu: His personal wealth is tremendous: Forbes estimated Bhumibol's personal fortune, including property managed by the Crown Property Bureau which is considered national property,[9] to be US$30 billion in 2010
Diablo-D3: all I want is a woman who can cook, clean, is good in bed, is intelligent, and actually understands what a marriage is
Diablo-D3: Im not particularly sure what the hell happened in america that women actively try to destroy their own marriages
Diablo-D3: Chaaang-Noi: yeah, but asians have that problem with small breasts
smickles: < Diablo-D3> all I want is a woman who can cook, clean, is good in bed, is intelligent, and actually understands what a marriage is <<< stay away from my wife u
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: but thats all there seems to be
Diablo-D3: like, Im not going to be one of these assholes who claim all american women are femnazis
Diablo-D3: they just have a very strange view of what a relationship is
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4623 @ 0.00049629 = 2.2943 BTC [-]
Diablo-D3: like, they marry a guy, the guy isnt cheating on her, works his ass off every day for a shitty wage, etc etc
Diablo-D3: and then she divorces him for cheating.
Diablo-D3: and then it comes out that she was cheating on him, but still gets to steal his house, car, kids, etc, and gets him fired from his job
Diablo-D3: this is from a country that married couples are supposed to be equal partners
mircea_popescu: it's like... the most pathetic affair ever to begin with.
mircea_popescu: "ooo, they read draft emails by logging into the same acct"
Diablo-D3: Im not even sure if its even an affair
Diablo-D3: did either of them have sex with each other? nope. so wheres the affair?
Diablo-D3: I think this was some sort of operation by the pentagon or white house to get rid of petraeus for some other reason
mircea_popescu: like they got rid of all the rest of the top of the military
Diablo-D3: well, it wont matter come dec 21st anyhow
mircea_popescu: being the "second most influential American conservative" prolly didn't help
Chaaang-Noi: d3 yeah most have small tits but not all, you can also fix that... but with small tits they have other things that are small :)
Diablo-D3: Chaaang-Noi: fixing it usually isnt worth it
Chaaang-Noi: i like the firmness more than size so im fine with asians...
Chaaang-Noi: mircea the petraeus thing im sure is just a cover up for him fucking up so bad in libiya...
mircea_popescu: maybe. tho the us has absolutely no competent intel people
mircea_popescu: ditching the few barely competent doesn't seem like much of a plan.
Chaaang-Noi: he let the ambasador get killed... no one would respect him
Chaaang-Noi: he had to leave and they cant say cuz he is incompitent...
mircea_popescu: actually, at the current rate the afghani secret service is prolly owning us ss
Diablo-D3: it uses up precious resources that we cant afford to spend
Chaaang-Noi: i think on average the cia and others do a very good job
Diablo-D3: we tried to take credit for the uprising
mircea_popescu: thirty years ago the us sucked, but at least it was part of the 2nd echelon
Diablo-D3: all we did was provide a much needed eye in the sky, we had no action on the ground
Chaaang-Noi: his own people? you know the ambasador was there trying to get back the arms we give "his people"
Diablo-D3: Chaaang-Noi: you mean the arms the russian sold to them in the 80s and 90s
Chaaang-Noi: oh d3, you dont seem well informed on this isue...
Diablo-D3: russia has been trying to overthrow quadaffi for years because he was just a puppet for the US
Chaaang-Noi: thats why he bombed wester airliners and discos?
mircea_popescu: well.. he did offer to buy condolezza rice on the cheap...
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28477 @ 0.00049629 = 14.1329 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7105 @ 0.00049616 = 3.5252 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26500 @ 0.0004983 = 13.205 BTC [+]
BTC-Mining: Well, maybe you could tell me what you think of the latest development, MP
BTC-Mining: I'm challenging that people who deposit were investing at all in Patrick's business, because the profits (difference between deposit rate/loan rate) are not shared, and neither should losses.
BTC-Mining: Well everyone is free to have their opinion. I just find that for his statement of:
BTC-Mining: "I did. I argued that this case is different because both Patrick and those who invested with him made precisely the same mistake."
BTC-Mining: He does not argue much about why it is their common mistake other than they're coinvesting in the same business.
mircea_popescu: ya well. he keeps saying that. it doesn't seem to mean anything in particular tho.
BTC-Mining: "I did. I argued that this case is different because both Patrick and those who invested with him made precisely the same mistake." could almost be considered equivalent to
BTC-Mining: "I did. I argued that this case is different because this case is different."
BTC-Mining: His actual motive however seems to convince people to stop giving their funds to everyone coming to the forum requesting so and guaranteeing any kind of interest.
BTC-Mining: Pretty much blaming them for doing it and being conned.
mircea_popescu: his motive is trying to project some importance he doesn't have, and protect his buddy.
Diablo-D3: Chaaang-Noi: yeah, some guy keeps doing negative bitcoin posts on /g/
Diablo-D3: it keeps people thinking about bitcoin
Diablo-D3: and innoculates them against fucktards
Chaaang-Noi: thai people cant post on /g/ i used to post there...
mircea_popescu: the only thing nerds will ever have in common with the g spot
mircea_popescu: >try to purchase buttcoin from notorious buttcoin market
Chaaang-Noi: i never claimed to not be a nerd, however virgin is lulz
mircea_popescu: sheepsies will be kept out of it for a long, long time simply by this.
mircea_popescu: kinda why i think all the attempts to get bitcoin interestying to the consumer/retail markets are dumb.
Chaaang-Noi: i had a bad experiance with gox... if it was my first experiance with btc id never come back
Diablo-D3: well, notice he doesnt say which bank or which exchange
mircea_popescu: you work your ass off to make buttcoin friday, the banks just piss on you with one line of code.
mircea_popescu: Diablo-D3 he's no troll. it's just that's ALL banks and ALL exchanges.
Chaaang-Noi: is bitcoin friday every friday or just that once?
mircea_popescu: ya but you're possibly not the random idiot who picked a random bank
Chaaang-Noi: mt gox demanded so much shit from me after they froze my account...
Diablo-D3: one of the largest banks in the world.
Diablo-D3: and technically they called you a druglord, not a terrorist
Chaaang-Noi: nope, he said he had proof i was a "terrorest or a money launder" and he quoted japanese law
Diablo-D3: Chaaang-Noi: I really doubt he said that
Diablo-D3: they strap bombs to goats and shit
Chaaang-Noi: on the forum he said he had "proof" of me being a "terrorist or a money launder"
Diablo-D3: why waste women when you can blow up goats instead
Chaaang-Noi: after sending shit like marrage certifiacate and having my lawyer contact them to tell them i was going to sue theuir ass they gave me the money back
Diablo-D3: I used mtgox before magicaltux got it
mircea_popescu: i guess people just don't grasp how this works. had about the same exchange with the weusecoins dood
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: well, if Im trying to run a legit site
mircea_popescu: i'm like... so fuck you, in case one day you ask something of me i'ma make you send me shoe on your wife's tits pics.
mircea_popescu: that's the problem with btc, a buncha doofuses think they're hot shit.
mircea_popescu: nefario, that other idiot on welfare, theymos, pretty much all of them
mircea_popescu: some random joes off the street, never saw money toghether, never ran a business
mircea_popescu: somehow they think through the magical power of buttcoin they suddenly became important in the world
Chaaang-Noi: iv lost some faith in btc once i saw who the "leaders" where
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: yeah, I hate people like that
Diablo-D3: I liked what it was when I started
mircea_popescu: it's like, dood, you're a twenty something student guy ? stfu and serve.
Diablo-D3: a bunch of people who wanted to make the world better
Diablo-D3: now its just a bunch of scamartists
Diablo-D3: no, but the community can be toxic
mircea_popescu: what they're trying to do is practically speaking whale riding. sure, it'll work for five minutes
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9622 @ 0.00050157 = 4.8261 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13528 @ 0.00050087 = 6.7758 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: i clearly fucking remember nefario in this very channel saying "o it's not true" TO THE EXACT THING
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: I still think the shit with DMC was just a delay tactic
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29598 @ 0.00050087 = 14.8248 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2202 @ 0.00050072 = 1.1026 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6864 @ 0.00050282 = 3.4514 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19516 @ 0.00050072 = 9.7721 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3949 @ 0.00050072 = 1.9773 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32601 @ 0.00049957 = 16.2865 BTC [-]
EskimoBob: Diablo-D3: probably not but it gave James a good idea hwo to drop this pile of shit he was sitting on and pocket few coins while divorcing from this project for good
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9230 @ 0.00049957 = 4.611 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5216 @ 0.00049857 = 2.6005 BTC [-]
EskimoBob: Diablo-D3: no matter ow many times you are attempting to make it look/sound like that someone else fucked up your DMC (oops, not yours, you sold it to investors) we all know that the all the ridiculously stupid investment decisions where made by you :)
Diablo-D3: EskimoBob: the only stupid investment decision I made was thinking nefario wasnt a scammer
Diablo-D3: apparently android supports Chaang-Noi now
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16420 @ 0.00050282 = 8.2563 BTC [+]
EskimoBob: I have no coin there but I guess some people do
EskimoBob: probably nothing but stuff like that just smells really bad, like GLBSE
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25016 @ 0.00050282 = 12.5785 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23334 @ 0.00050496 = 11.7827 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6915 @ 0.00050496 = 3.4918 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7335 @ 0.00050522 = 3.7058 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38012 @ 0.00049857 = 18.9516 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64 @ 0.00049857 = 0.0319 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34976 @ 0.00049853 = 17.4366 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11831 @ 0.00049826 = 5.8949 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11069 @ 0.00049826 = 5.5152 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34700 @ 0.00049803 = 17.2816 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4031 @ 0.00049799 = 2.0074 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24100 @ 0.00049936 = 12.0346 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31716 @ 0.00050011 = 15.8615 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31065 @ 0.00050522 = 15.6947 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14435 @ 0.00050609 = 7.3054 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5384 @ 0.00050489 = 2.7183 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14554 @ 0.00049936 = 7.2677 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4700 @ 0.00049876 = 2.3442 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20300 @ 0.00049799 = 10.1092 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23019 @ 0.00049799 = 11.4632 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21481 @ 0.0004979 = 10.6954 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11119 @ 0.0004979 = 5.5362 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30718 @ 0.00049789 = 15.2942 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15675 @ 0.00049789 = 7.8044 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57 @ 0.00049789 = 0.0284 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28350 @ 0.00049731 = 14.0987 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: <EskimoBob> Diablo-D3: probably not but it gave James a good idea hwo to drop this pile of shit he was sitting on and pocket few coins while divorcing from this project for good <<< this may actually be true.
mircea_popescu: one can certainly see a diablo > goat > total failure progression.
mircea_popescu: lucidlepidoptera how's the virtual eatery business going ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39155 @ 0.00049704 = 19.4616 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23862 @ 0.00049804 = 11.8842 BTC [+]
EskimoBob: ... but I still believe that after he receives the flowers, he is going to pull through and make us all happy
mircea_popescu: i would like to see a documentary about how these idiots date.
mircea_popescu: BTC-Mining i see you've started using different colors. i'm curious if that helps.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11785 @ 0.00049815 = 5.8707 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14395 @ 0.00049795 = 7.168 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23686 @ 0.00049697 = 11.7712 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15504 @ 0.00049697 = 7.705 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14996 @ 0.0004968 = 7.45 BTC [-]
jurov: fuck. first day after a loong time i get to a wilderness trip without internat, and of course bitvps has to choose this day to fuck up. for 12 hours!!!
jurov: like rg is stalking me or what
jurov: coinbr.com was 12hrs inaccessible today
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47400 @ 0.00049945 = 23.6739 BTC [+]
jurov: yes, now i came up,all my hair rose, but everything is like nothing happened
jurov: and there's no announcement on bitvps, nothing in the email (except fould cries "i cant connect" from backup routine)
jurov: from them I can see the problem was at least between 7am-7pm UTC
jurov: and of course, inquiries of customers
jurov: thestringpuller, you'll gonna pay me interns?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9450 @ 0.00050006 = 4.7256 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1day: 0.00049588 / 0.00050116 / 0.00050878 (2183612 shares, 1,094.34 BTC), 30day: 0.00040587 / 0.00046544 / 0.00051331 (61576875 shares, 28,660.40 BTC)
jurov: just wrote flaming bitvps ticket, can finally shower
jurov: pity that people dislike smoke smell from open fire... i'd keep wearing it like a perfume if i could
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10577 @ 0.00050418 = 5.3327 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2850 @ 0.00050113 = 1.4282 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14650 @ 0.00050056 = 7.3332 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23023 @ 0.00049945 = 11.4988 BTC [-]
pigeons: must be a certain datacenter that went down, i'm connecting from bitvps and am still authed with gribble etc
jurov: maybe i'm the only one who's hosting un europe... but anyway, they don't do any monitoring? and, 12 hours, srsly?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42100 @ 0.00050523 = 21.2702 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4300 @ 0.00050538 = 2.1731 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: 1. buy vodka. 2. place in freezer. 3. some days later, the water content has frozen.
jurov: mircea, both the backup and other things that disconnected use numeric IP, so no DNS problem there
pigeons: jurov is trying to talk down the S.BVPS price
jurov: oh, wait till i finish my doublespending attack on satoshidice, too
pigeons: might as well pump that one if we're dumping the others
jurov: so F.GIGA.WTF it isn't set to cancel anymore?
pigeons: i think it is, but i'm going to spread the rumor that its paying out dividends to manipulate the price
jurov: you're weak manipulator. you should have said "yes, it's staying cause nefario resent those flowers to mpoe-pr"
jurov: and her heart melted...
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4508 @ 0.00049945 = 2.2515 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: here's the hippy dippy pr-man with the hippy dippy weather, man...
jurov: just noticed that i did not forget to fabricate 12hr gap in live.coinbr.com data, too :P
jurov: will refill it tomorrow... too tired
mod6: lol new android update
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21204 @ 0.0004968 = 10.5341 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20083 @ 0.00049621 = 9.9654 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6192 @ 0.00049937 = 3.0921 BTC [+]
BTC-Mining: talk down S.BVPS price? How would you do that?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16650 @ 0.00050538 = 8.4146 BTC [+]
dub: its like BTC-Mining has some form of autism
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31088 @ 0.00050538 = 15.7113 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10312 @ 0.00050609 = 5.2188 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15756 @ 0.00050609 = 7.974 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9644 @ 0.00050799 = 4.8991 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20200 @ 0.00050479 = 10.1968 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9800 @ 0.00050479 = 4.9469 BTC [-]
BTC-Mining: dub: eh, I missed most of the prior conversation. My bad.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7222 @ 0.00050313 = 3.6336 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1878 @ 0.00050139 = 0.9416 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2901 @ 0.00050139 = 1.4545 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19250 @ 0.00049803 = 9.5871 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18449 @ 0.000498 = 9.1876 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26987 @ 0.00050332 = 13.5831 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15800 @ 0.0004998 = 7.8968 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5300 @ 0.000498 = 2.6394 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9863 @ 0.00050332 = 4.9642 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2206 @ 0.00050799 = 1.1206 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27094 @ 0.00050878 = 13.7849 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18450 @ 0.00049256 = 9.0877 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15972 @ 0.00049256 = 7.8672 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16128 @ 0.00049255 = 7.9438 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23304 @ 0.000493 = 11.4889 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3027 @ 0.00049356 = 1.494 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34606 @ 0.00049898 = 17.2677 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1946 @ 0.000493 = 0.9594 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5050 @ 0.00049255 = 2.4874 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26202 @ 0.00049255 = 12.9058 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15244 @ 0.00049254 = 7.5083 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25656 @ 0.00049254 = 12.6366 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 344 @ 0.00049235 = 0.1694 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16650 @ 0.00049235 = 8.1976 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27306 @ 0.00049235 = 13.4441 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7606 @ 0.00049233 = 3.7447 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19944 @ 0.00049233 = 9.819 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22276 @ 0.00049213 = 10.9627 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 420 @ 0.00339942 = 1.4278 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13441 @ 0.00049213 = 6.6147 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7520 @ 0.0004918 = 3.6983 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9480 @ 0.0004918 = 4.6623 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28012 @ 0.00049168 = 13.7729 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7188 @ 0.00049168 = 3.5342 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41862 @ 0.00049143 = 20.5722 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 988 @ 0.00049143 = 0.4855 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24112 @ 0.00049088 = 11.8361 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10950 @ 0.00049088 = 5.3751 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19150 @ 0.00049304 = 9.4417 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15770 @ 0.00049324 = 7.7784 BTC [+]
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask aethero!~kvirc@gateway/tor-sasl/aethero . User aethero, rated since Wed May 2 16:24:52 2012. Cumulative rating 410, from 192 total ratings. Received ratings: 190 positive, 2 negative. Sent ratings: 187 positive, 16 negative. Details:
http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=aethero assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23300 @ 0.00049324 = 11.4925 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: i mean, as to serve it in teh btc world
kakobrekla: mircea_popescu seems aethero guy is invloved in that thingy.
mircea_popescu: "as well as a comprehensive solution for having them verified and signed online."
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12871 @ 0.00049253 = 6.3394 BTC [-]
pigeons: mircea_popescu: donators can change their names, or else you can ask theymos to do it for you
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14318 @ 0.00049253 = 7.052 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5061 @ 0.00049253 = 2.4927 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9989 @ 0.00049088 = 4.9034 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1450 @ 0.00049082 = 0.7117 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24350 @ 0.00049082 = 11.9515 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36650 @ 0.00049048 = 17.9761 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5900 @ 0.00049123 = 2.8983 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5650 @ 0.00049048 = 2.7712 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31200 @ 0.00049046 = 15.3024 BTC [-]
smickles: yet again poking above the 30 day sma
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12300 @ 0.00049046 = 6.0327 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1150 @ 0.00049046 = 0.564 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34050 @ 0.00049031 = 16.6951 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25300 @ 0.0004901 = 12.3995 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20100 @ 0.0004901 = 9.851 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18550 @ 0.00049005 = 9.0904 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2900 @ 0.00049005 = 1.4211 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3950 @ 0.00049005 = 1.9357 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1600 @ 0.00049002 = 0.784 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33750 @ 0.00049002 = 16.5382 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:ff73812b0f664cd9c9135c5607573d357b70f791dc90a83d3d7159b6
gribble: You are now authenticated for user mircea_popescu with key 8A736F0E2FB7B452
mircea_popescu: ;;rate usagi -10 Ran a complex array of scams. One of the scammers covered by the GLBSE collapse.
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of -10 for user usagi has been recorded.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7607 @ 0.00049002 = 3.7276 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22950 @ 0.00049002 = 11.246 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9893 @ 0.00048977 = 4.8453 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11857 @ 0.00048977 = 5.8072 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18550 @ 0.00048975 = 9.0849 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9434 @ 0.00048962 = 4.6191 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12000 @ 0.00048962 = 5.8754 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3936 @ 0.00048962 = 1.9271 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24500 @ 0.00048958 = 11.9947 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11914 @ 0.00048946 = 5.8314 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11744 @ 0.00049074 = 5.7633 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26206 @ 0.00049074 = 12.8603 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4044 @ 0.00049311 = 1.9941 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16779 @ 0.00048946 = 8.2126 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6721 @ 0.00048943 = 3.2895 BTC [-]
JWU_42: any news from Nefario ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31681 @ 0.00048943 = 15.5056 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15869 @ 0.00048931 = 7.7649 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20029 @ 0.0004927 = 9.8683 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22299 @ 0.00049311 = 10.9959 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19307 @ 0.00049311 = 9.5205 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13912 @ 0.00049324 = 6.862 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 162 @ 0.00049369 = 0.08 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45450 @ 0.00049251 = 22.3846 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7105 @ 0.000492 = 3.4957 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5595 @ 0.000492 = 2.7527 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48350 @ 0.00049024 = 23.7031 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6805 @ 0.00048965 = 3.3321 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35700 @ 0.00048965 = 17.4805 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7265 @ 0.00048928 = 3.5546 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17390 @ 0.00048927 = 8.5084 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15900 @ 0.00049209 = 7.8242 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6510 @ 0.00048927 = 3.1851 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16590 @ 0.00048925 = 8.1167 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12560 @ 0.00048925 = 6.145 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21300 @ 0.00048925 = 10.421 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4740 @ 0.00048875 = 2.3167 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18247 @ 0.00049108 = 8.9607 BTC [+]
jurov: assbot should prolly coalesce the trades, it starts getting a bit overwhelming :)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15153 @ 0.00049108 = 7.4413 BTC [+]
mod6: jurov: don't you find it important to see which orders are filled and when? im not sure how that would work with assbot doing a batch reporting or something
mod6: it wouldn't be real time or anything -- or am I missing the point?
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1day: 0.00048875 / 0.0004953 / 0.00050878 (3268968 shares, 1,619.15 BTC), 30day: 0.00041466 / 0.00046843 / 0.00051331 (63005861 shares, 29,514.45 BTC)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21822 @ 0.00048953 = 10.6825 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33803 @ 0.00049152 = 16.6149 BTC [+]
jurov: thestringpuller, yes it is nice to see each order matched. but it seems to drown conversation, too
dub: you could ignore it here and watch #bitcoin-assets-trades
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34938 @ 0.00048962 = 17.1063 BTC [-]
jurov: me? and how would it help me to follow human conversation here?
dub: doing '/ignore assbot #bitcoin-assets' will stop you seeing the trades here, you can join the other channel if you want a record of them
dub: or use a regex to only block trades if you want to see ticker triggered stuff
mircea_popescu: next year i hope you'll be lucky if you can get a word in edgewise.
mircea_popescu: but it would be nice if there were two bots, one that did instareporting like assbot and one that did periodic reporting, like half hour or hourly. then people could ignore one or both
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14534 @ 0.00048962 = 7.1161 BTC [-]
jurov: thx dub. i'm such a n00b sometimes
gribble: rg was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 5 days, 21 hours, 9 minutes, and 20 seconds ago: <rg> wow, i guess you showed us.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31100 @ 0.0004898 = 15.2328 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21152 @ 0.00049152 = 10.3966 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1291 @ 0.00049209 = 0.6353 BTC [+]
dub: <gribble> rg was last seen in #bitcoin-otc 1 day, 6 hours, 16 minutes, and 18 seconds ago: <rg> ;;calc 292 / [ticker --last]
dub: praps sick of all the hate for his buddy nefario
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14257 @ 0.00049295 = 7.028 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19020 @ 0.00049153 = 9.3489 BTC [-]
pigeons: i wonder if usagi repaid the advance on his salary his employer gave him to pay dvidends
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33150 @ 0.00049305 = 16.3446 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20916 @ 0.00049342 = 10.3204 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7830 @ 0.00049153 = 3.8487 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 970 @ 0.000491 = 0.4763 BTC [-]
jurov: mircea, did you get the email from eeecurrency folks?
mircea_popescu: yes i did, answered the guy, he said he was gonna pop in here
jurov: they asked me first to be listed on coinbr (sic), i explained and wished them good luck
mircea_popescu: Hi, i will now tell you how intersango scammed me on 390 euros.
mircea_popescu: It all started with a transfer of around 390 euros to Intersangos bank account on the 6th of septembe
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2230 @ 0.000491 = 1.0949 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16228 @ 0.00048962 = 7.9456 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8942 @ 0.00048875 = 4.3704 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29300 @ 0.00048875 = 14.3204 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11700 @ 0.00048904 = 5.7218 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25100 @ 0.00049024 = 12.305 BTC [+]
dub: hmm might be time to buy
dub: was time an hour ago
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35712 @ 0.00049006 = 17.501 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18400 @ 0.00048994 = 9.0149 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: A study by the Australian Institute of Criminology of 162 attempted or actual contract murders in Australia between 1989 and 2002 indicated that the most common reason for murder-for-hire was "the dissolution of an intimate relationship". The study also found that the average payment for a "hit" was $12,700 and that the most commonly used weapons were firearms.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2888 @ 0.0004895 = 1.4137 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: i wonder if that average is over all attempts or only over successful ones.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37066 @ 0.0004895 = 18.1438 BTC [-]
dub: given that .au is a prison island populated entirely by criminals you'd think they were oversupplied
mircea_popescu: The people mocked on this website, even the real ones, are fictional
smickles: mircea_popescu: the ad i get is simple text, says "Need to crack some WPA keys?"
smickles: I'm not sure about your solution tho, the site already gets a shitton of spam
smickles: some of it is christian rhetoric spam
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8488 @ 0.00049006 = 4.1596 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18740 @ 0.00049165 = 9.2135 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: well im not in the business of solving the site's problems (and if i thought a website is a worthwhile endeavour for a human being i wouldn't have closed my romanian digg thing)
smickles: heh, I wasn't even really soliciting answers to the question
smickles: just pimping mentiones of my name
smickles: I've considered it, and have made half-assed attempts in the past
dub: fucking enterprise security people hurt my butt
smickles: best i've done is vlogging to the tune of 22k total views
mircea_popescu: works as a convenient way to gather together your output
dub: this internet is almost unusable
smickles: best i've done is vlogging to the tune of really irrelevant
dub: now you can buy a wordpress with bitcoin too!
mircea_popescu: the primary utility of the blog is documentary. say the boys start discussing women as slaves. i have a handy link of two girls chained to a shopping cart.
mircea_popescu: it's from 2010. if it wasn't on my blog it would practically not exist.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 111 @ 0.0004895 = 0.0543 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: everyone gets into this "o, i put up a pic of my lunch and 5498645805 people loaded that page". seems a dubious measure of utility.
mircea_popescu: "this page was a handy reference for X subject 35 times over the past 10 years" seems better.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2268 @ 0.00048875 = 1.1085 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31032 @ 0.00048872 = 15.166 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3818 @ 0.00048872 = 1.8659 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10182 @ 0.00048867 = 4.9756 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24900 @ 0.00048867 = 12.1679 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 368 @ 0.00048867 = 0.1798 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15651 @ 0.00048864 = 7.6477 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9089 @ 0.0004892 = 4.4463 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16313 @ 0.00048977 = 7.9896 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17347 @ 0.00049165 = 8.5287 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13120 @ 0.0004885 = 6.4091 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29480 @ 0.00048819 = 14.3918 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3820 @ 0.00048819 = 1.8649 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2680 @ 0.00048813 = 1.3082 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23320 @ 0.00048813 = 11.3832 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8080 @ 0.00048808 = 3.9437 BTC [-]
sgornick}: Oh crap, that broadcasts that to each channel?
dub: thats a squatter btw
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3634 @ 0.00048808 = 1.7737 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17424 @ 0.00048798 = 8.5026 BTC [-]
Chaang-Noi: also speaking of scammer is nefario just keeping the btc? ;p;
Chaang-Noi: are you still trying? i gave up a while ago...
smickles: usagi: from your rating of me, I assume you think I should trust you, or at least be indifferent to you after you defaulted on a contract with me?
smickles: I understand that we came to an agreeable settlement
Chaang-Noi: off to the hospital.. has to make sure im healthy to get clearancy... lulz... peace
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16424 @ 0.00048966 = 8.0422 BTC [+]
smickles: oh, i must of missed the guideline that says a rating isn't a reflection of your trust in a user
smickles: you told me you could after glbse went down tho
smickles: well, I just wanted to ask you about that,
smickles: huh? an appeal to emotion is a specific logical fallacy?
Diablo-D3: usagi: so what took you so long to rageunquit?
Diablo-D3: you have to wait in line for those.
Diablo-D3: yes, but your contract was with me, not the company
Diablo-D3: and shareholders come before paying the ceo.
pigeons: i love it: < usagi> It was literally an act of God that GLBSE was shut down at the precise moment I took out those loans
Diablo-D3: usagi: yes, this is what dmc's dc was for, that kind of computing
Diablo-D3: smickles: dude, if nefario is god, I want my church donations back
smickles: Diablo-D3: yeah, i thought tithes were only supposed to be 10%
Diablo-D3: SMICKLES: I DONT KNOW, LETS ASK LUKE!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26176 @ 0.00048798 = 12.7734 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5124 @ 0.0004876 = 2.4985 BTC [-]
Diablo-D3: oh wait, I have that religious freak on ignore :3
smickles: I sacrifice the third son of hrothgar unto the, Luke-Jr
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11476 @ 0.0004876 = 5.5957 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26674 @ 0.00048752 = 13.0041 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11300 @ 0.00048752 = 5.509 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14211 @ 0.00048863 = 6.9439 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22389 @ 0.00049105 = 10.9941 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2636 @ 0.00049105 = 1.2944 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12514 @ 0.00049193 = 6.156 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5050 @ 0.00049193 = 2.4842 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1524 @ 0.00049193 = 0.7497 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21350 @ 0.00049218 = 10.508 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 776 @ 0.00049291 = 0.3825 BTC [+]
pigeons: in the forum he talks about how he's been posting under his real name in rec.martial-arts
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13274 @ 0.00049291 = 6.5429 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23634 @ 0.00049342 = 11.6615 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5242 @ 0.00049369 = 2.5879 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: "Have you started lecturing them yet, about something you just learned
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36900 @ 0.00049369 = 18.2172 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1496 @ 0.00049369 = 0.7386 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17600 @ 0.00049378 = 8.6905 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16300 @ 0.00049382 = 8.0493 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6404 @ 0.00049387 = 3.1627 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4696 @ 0.00049387 = 2.3192 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23700 @ 0.00049396 = 11.7069 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21554 @ 0.00049396 = 10.6468 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: one has to be tight to have songs written about em
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15096 @ 0.00049396 = 7.4568 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16504 @ 0.00049399 = 8.1528 BTC [+]
pigeons: "An imbecile inspired this song with his relentless stupidity and arrogance."
EskimoBob: who stole usagis meds? I'll send you flowers, if you return him to mental institution
pigeons: i thought flowers were reserved for those who pull off bigger scams
pigeons: you can be president of the securities section of bitcointalk
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6596 @ 0.00049399 = 3.2584 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24604 @ 0.000494 = 12.1544 BTC [+]
pigeons: and how does that disqualify Diablo-D3
Diablo-D3: these are not tits, these are manboobs!
mircea_popescu: why do people hate what they don't know ffs. just learn it!
Diablo-D3: I agree with that bitcoin business post
Diablo-D3: this is largely a subset of whats already said in the tech startup community
Diablo-D3: no one is going to steal your fucking idea, JustDoIt(tm)
mircea_popescu: problem is that a large contingent of new bitcoiners (tm) comes from the internet marketing subculture
mircea_popescu: these are a type of idiots all of their own. like a weird cult.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28200 @ 0.000494 = 13.9308 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4146 @ 0.000494 = 2.0481 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14106 @ 0.00049402 = 6.9686 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2734 @ 0.00049422 = 1.3512 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: i think if rakim had the money for an imac rakim would rent a souped up hummer limo for 24 hours.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8616 @ 0.00049422 = 4.2582 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22433 @ 0.00049433 = 11.0893 BTC [+]
Diablo-D3: I actually wouldnt mind having a retina desktop display
Diablo-D3: I just dont want the goddamned apple look
Diablo-D3: seriously, if its not black, its shit
Diablo-D3: aluminum is just too distracting for daily use
Diablo-D3: or iPlastic look they still retain on some shit
kakobrekla: yes, the main problem with Apple is color.
Diablo-D3: I actually do think thats the problem
Diablo-D3: like, if you're paying that much fucking money, it should come in any fucking color you want
Diablo-D3: you can have sharp/bright screens without going shiney
Diablo-D3: although they use some fucking expensive polarizer to do it
Diablo-D3: kakobrekla: thats more of a slur against starbucks, really
Diablo-D3: best in class not because they're the best but because they say they are
Diablo-D3: if owning an apple and drinking a starbucks was what only the elite did, why does everyone own apple and drink starbucks?
Diablo-D3: seriously, I will never understand PR
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5067 @ 0.00049433 = 2.5048 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8133 @ 0.00049444 = 4.0213 BTC [+]
Diablo-D3: want to impress me? prove you have a better product.
Diablo-D3: I mean, I like some of what they've done, they've had a few good ideas
Diablo-D3: bringing multitouch to the desktop, retina screens on the desktop, etc
Diablo-D3: but whats the point if it costs that much money and looks ugly and underperforms against every other option
Diablo-D3: if there was ever a textbook definition of polishing a turd, osx is it
Diablo-D3: osx does quite a few things pretty decently
Diablo-D3: the linux desktop wished it looked that good
Diablo-D3: yet guess what? I have a linux desktop
Diablo-D3: it looks like shit, but it gets shit done day in and day out
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18100 @ 0.00049444 = 8.9494 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9033 @ 0.00049444 = 4.4663 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: >>don’t recall assbot ever streaming a trade from them in #bitcoin-assets, and that happens to be the criteria I use.
kakobrekla: some shit came flying through my nose.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22715 @ 0.00049444 = 11.2312 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19635 @ 0.00049444 = 9.7083 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: hope to see some response from them about this
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12632 @ 0.00049444 = 6.2458 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18654 @ 0.00049445 = 9.2235 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6346 @ 0.00049445 = 3.1378 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11776 @ 0.00049457 = 5.8241 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17200 @ 0.00049459 = 8.5069 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15188 @ 0.00049461 = 7.5121 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17312 @ 0.00049461 = 8.5627 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12336 @ 0.00049495 = 6.1057 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7688 @ 0.00049495 = 3.8052 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7712 @ 0.00049502 = 3.8176 BTC [+]
EskimoBob: Diablo-D3: what desktop you use? (Diablo-D3 | it looks like shit)
mircea_popescu: "The fatal dose of pure alcohol in an average adult is 300-400 mL (750-1000 mL of 40% alcohol) if consumed in less than one hour.
mircea_popescu: this is such bs. i ocasionalyl drink triple distilled alcohol (99%)
mircea_popescu: i've went through one bottle in a day, im quite not dead.
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: and notice that said less than one hour
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30388 @ 0.00049502 = 15.0427 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3212 @ 0.00049515 = 1.5904 BTC [+]
EskimoBob: Who ever assigns scammer tags, better step up and do his fkn job. Usagi needs a tag so bad, it reeks.
EskimoBob: And while you are at it, restore all his posts, he has managed to delete
mircea_popescu: the entire scammer tag thing is a dubious fix for a large problem
mircea_popescu: and i think soon enough the forum might take them out altogether.
EskimoBob: correct, it's not even a fkn bandaid
EskimoBob: but why do we need moderators, if they are not closing down even obvious scam threads?
mircea_popescu: well, i don't know that we need them, but in principle this is like saying why do you even have waitresses if they don't even suck your cock
mircea_popescu: maybe they have mods to keep anyoen from posting the letter W
mircea_popescu: but srsly, do you understand the breadth of the task of closing down scam threads ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12600 @ 0.00049515 = 6.2389 BTC [+]
EskimoBob: mircea_popescu: after your "... why do you even have waitresses if they don't even suck your cock..." comparison I think you do not understand it :)
mircea_popescu: what's the problem ? cocksucking is a valuable service, the girls are hired to serve the customer, why shouldn't they ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20938 @ 0.00049515 = 10.3675 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18312 @ 0.00049517 = 9.0676 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: o, cause it's a lot of work, requires a lot of skill, most girls aren't prepared to handle it etc ?
EskimoBob: mircea_popescu: I have no good recommendations for you how you can get over your serious sexual problems and obvious insecurities. Maybe you need to get some help from professional?
EskimoBob: no, it not so much that you do talk about it but how you talk about it
EskimoBob: sometimes try reading the stuff you write when women or sex is involved. :)
EskimoBob: Diablo-D3 has a alert set on "women" :)
mircea_popescu: EskimoBob i reread my stuff all the time, i'm like my own favourite author.
EskimoBob: Diablo-D3: can you kick your pompous comrades ass (other forum admins) and restore usagi's deleted posts - history needs this
Diablo-D3: EskimoBob: I dont think they can be restored
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8838 @ 0.00049517 = 4.3763 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22462 @ 0.00049517 = 11.1225 BTC [+]
Diablo-D3: I dont know how the software works, but I assume it deletes it from the SQL DB backend instead of puts it in a trash can db
EskimoBob: maybe it adds some "do not display" bit?
EskimoBob: deleted column? Every post is a column?
Diablo-D3: so you'd have something like unique id, subject, body, user id, timestamp, etc etc
Diablo-D3: and each post is a tuplet of those
EskimoBob: wtf is SuprTiggr and why it reacts to '|' as a start of a command
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27438 @ 0.00049517 = 13.5865 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20962 @ 0.00049518 = 10.38 BTC [+]
EskimoBob: it's The current (running) version of this Supybot is 0.83.4.1. The newest version available online is 0.83.4.1.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 226 @ 0.00049518 = 0.1119 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28649 @ 0.00049536 = 14.1916 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16250 @ 0.00049537 = 8.0498 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3825 @ 0.0004954 = 1.8949 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37512 @ 0.0004954 = 18.5834 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2813 @ 0.0004954 = 1.3936 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21086 @ 0.00049542 = 10.4464 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23627 @ 0.00049542 = 11.7053 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13140 @ 0.00049549 = 6.5107 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: This is a public notice that I have resigned from all my roles in Bitcoin Magazine today and from position of a Director of Bittalk Media Ltd.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22760 @ 0.00049549 = 11.2774 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9871 @ 0.0004955 = 4.8911 BTC [+]
Chaang-Noi: bitcoin mag was a fail idea to start with...
EskimoBob: "mircea_popescu | This is a public notice---" where do you read that?
EskimoBob: publishing a magazine is loads of fun if you have a good team
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14379 @ 0.0004955 = 7.1248 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30850 @ 0.00049556 = 15.288 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7871 @ 0.00049568 = 3.9015 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: yeah, cause in general it's a pretty decent pickup line
mircea_popescu: so you can fill an office up with confused twenty somethings that can't do math too well.
EskimoBob: I did run a magazine for few years
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28871 @ 0.00049571 = 14.3116 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51600 @ 0.00049571 = 25.5786 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4400 @ 0.00049571 = 2.1811 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3529 @ 0.00049571 = 1.7494 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19071 @ 0.00049573 = 9.4541 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32500 @ 0.00049573 = 16.1112 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14748 @ 0.00049573 = 7.311 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19162 @ 0.00049573 = 9.4992 BTC [+]
gigavps: just when i thought things were beginning to calm down....
Chaang-Noi: i do think badbear is a dick.. i never liked him:/
Chaang-Noi: yeah but not on the forum, i got perma banned
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10638 @ 0.00049573 = 5.2736 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25547 @ 0.00049577 = 12.6654 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11200 @ 0.00049577 = 5.5526 BTC [+]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 11.50406, Best ask: 11.56866, Bid-ask spread: 0.06460, Last trade: 11.60000, 24 hour volume: 57628.92532269, 24 hour low: 10.86000, 24 hour high: 11.60000, 24 hour vwap: 11.27755
kakobrekla: >>Alberto's explanations of the situation aren't very convincing, but I'm giving him until early December to come up with some form of payment. I'm also exploring legal, law enforcement and other possibilities for escalating this in case this fails.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1551 @ 0.00049577 = 0.7689 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27500 @ 0.00049583 = 13.6353 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8758 @ 0.00049584 = 4.3426 BTC [+]
EskimoBob: LOL, look who has crawled out out of his hole
EskimoBob: it's the famous nuter usagi... LOL
EskimoBob: I do not care. But probably in madhouse
EskimoBob: it was nice without you, you ling sack of shit. Go troll some other channel
EskimoBob: I was told you spent your time in your local madhouse.
EskimoBob: Looks like they let you out and this is not good for BTC community
EskimoBob: I guess you spent your last month deleting your posts from the forum
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39242 @ 0.00049584 = 19.4578 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17650 @ 0.00049591 = 8.7528 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 708 @ 0.00049593 = 0.3511 BTC [+]
EskimoBob: why don't you sing to us, Oliver? LOL
EskimoBob: kongzi.ca ? your new scam? How is nyancat and all that other shit doing?
gigavps: usagi are you trying to do anything to get the asset holder information?
gigavps: usagi it's in your best interest to make a good faith effort to retrieve the asset holder information
gigavps: "good faith" being one of those words lawyers like to use
gigavps: you'd be wise to discuss that with your lawyer
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24292 @ 0.00049593 = 12.0471 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17050 @ 0.00049595 = 8.4559 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4808 @ 0.00049599 = 2.3847 BTC [+]
pigeons: usagi: where did you hear that nefario has been sending out info?
gigavps: i think usagi is delusional
gigavps: usagi some coins were sent out
gigavps: usagi why did you delete all of your posts?
gigavps: you didn't delete any of your posts?
gigavps: that doesn't make any sense
gigavps: if bitcointalk is so bad, why are you making another proposal on it?
gigavps: but you are trying to raise capital
gigavps: not just offering the service
gigavps: so you are offering a security
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14750 @ 0.00049599 = 7.3159 BTC [+]
gigavps: so you are not offering ownership in the company?
gigavps: most information marketing businesses need to give a lot of stuff away for free to attract customers
gigavps: or give the apperance that they are giving information away
gigavps: everyone thinks they are special and what they are doing is special
pigeons: ok take it to #bitcoin-languages
EskimoBob: you forgot to mention your deep knowledge of Tao
EskimoBob: like NYAN* and all the other crap you sold?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10699 @ 0.00049599 = 5.3066 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26751 @ 0.00049599 = 13.2682 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9676 @ 0.00049599 = 4.7992 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2224 @ 0.00049601 = 1.1031 BTC [+]
EskimoBob: send the coin you wow me to 1KKXSed3ePq6FhUu52zSLR22v8V9v3jQik
EskimoBob: I am not a thieve nor dishonest and you know that
EskimoBob: usagi You are actually a good example of why this is a bad situation. Without actual codes, people like you bullshit forever and never pay
pigeons: what about the companies insured by your insurance company?
pigeons: yeah but he's working on it
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29895 @ 0.00049601 = 14.8282 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24750 @ 0.00049603 = 12.2767 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12805 @ 0.00049606 = 6.352 BTC [+]
pigeons: gigavps is working on what to do right now in the case that has happened where nefario refuses to provide asset info
EskimoBob: usagi: you little shit swindled a assload of coin from investors and you are too cheap to call James? WTF!?
pigeons: no i dont think you'd be rich with your OBSI.HYPT
EskimoBob: you pissed away 7500 BTC (or was is closer to 8K). Cancel the fkn rig orders
EskimoBob: do not tell me asshat you have no coin.
EskimoBob: are you telling me you never preordered those rigs you had in your spreadsheets?
EskimoBob: yes asshole, you do have to prove it
Diablo-D3: EskimoBob: you're not a shareholder in Fantasy Bullshit, Inc
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23445 @ 0.00049606 = 11.6301 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14855 @ 0.00049608 = 7.3693 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: usagi you claim such great things, yet smickles was very displeased with how you went about repaying him. he said to never do business with you, and he would personally never do business with you again.
Diablo-D3: I wonder if anyone is going to upload a camrip of eva 3.0
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11700 @ 0.00049608 = 5.8041 BTC [+]
EskimoBob: thestringpuller: trolling and bullshitting in the internet is nothing new to usagi. Hes experience is probably over 10 year
EskimoBob: he used to do similar shit in other forums
EskimoBob: only good thing you or anyone else can do is just ignore that scumbag
EskimoBob: and after you lost 7.5K of investors coin...
EskimoBob: look who rated me with -, you stupid little man :)
EskimoBob: you really want to start that shit again?
EskimoBob: go read the scam thread you posted and stfu. you lost
EskimoBob: go waste it somewhere else usagi, please!
pigeons: i believe in crystal light
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18895 @ 0.00049608 = 9.3734 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18105 @ 0.00049609 = 8.9817 BTC [+]
pigeons: only thing on topic about it is that people are upset with you when you tried to run some bitcoin assets
pigeons: i'm not gonna /ignore, im just gonna change the channel
mod6: THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS LARRY
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8800 @ 0.00049603 = 4.3651 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11150 @ 0.00049609 = 5.5314 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: 16:23.10 ( copumpkin ) that's cause kako is a huge pussy <- see that is exactly why i didnt give you op privilege, nano on the other hand got it.
kakobrekla: well i guess you would have banned usagi already
copumpkin: usagi: I'd probably fail it :) I haven't spoken japanese in 6 years now, and just remember random shit
kakobrekla: to me it looks like you are the pussy who cant handle usagi
Diablo-D3: watashiwa nihongo ga wakarimasen :<
copumpkin: kakobrekla: why would I need to "handle" usagi?
Diablo-D3: have we even confirmed usagi has a handle?
Diablo-D3: ... what are your ears doing down there?
Diablo-D3: yes, Im aware of what usagi means, but that doesnt answer the question
Diablo-D3: so unless you seriously have your head up your ass...
Diablo-D3: why the fuck did strike witches marry the eternal loli panty shot to semi-accurate WW2 trivia.
copumpkin: kakobrekla: presumably that's a good thing
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7755 @ 0.00049612 = 3.8474 BTC [+]
copumpkin: I used an uppercase I and exploited shitty fonts
copumpkin: too much mercurial these days at work
Diablo-D3: copumpkin: fuck ALL the mercurials
copumpkin: I'm not too opinionated on the hg/git divide
copumpkin: I mostly prefer git for personal use
copumpkin: IT HAS RELIGIOUS REFERENCES AND SHIT
Diablo-D3: or to put it more accurately, they turn into tang.
Diablo-D3: there is no cat girl in evangelion
Diablo-D3: there is a lot of anime, and I have seen... well... a fucking lot of it.
Diablo-D3: and yes, the animation falls apart near the end
Diablo-D3: watch full metal alchemist brotherhood
Diablo-D3: there are very few animes that I consider 5 stars
Diablo-D3: 5 stars means I will watch it again
Diablo-D3: 4 merely means I found it worth my time, but not worth watching again
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2645 @ 0.00049612 = 1.3122 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24029 @ 0.00049615 = 11.922 BTC [+]
Diablo-D3: busy torrenting kamen rider fourze
Diablo-D3: I run miotd.com for christ's sakes
Diablo-D3: which reminds me, I need to do today's image
pigeons: awww a new relationship thanks to #bitcoin-assets
Diablo-D3: pigeons: usagi is already an investor in my company
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18483 @ 0.00049615 = 9.1703 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7700 @ 0.0004962 = 3.8207 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12217 @ 0.00049622 = 6.0623 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2633 @ 0.00049622 = 1.3065 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20217 @ 0.00049623 = 10.0323 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31757 @ 0.00049623 = 15.7588 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3386 @ 0.00049624 = 1.6803 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14564 @ 0.00049624 = 7.2272 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5717 @ 0.00049624 = 2.837 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18 @ 0.00049624 = 0.0089 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19800 @ 0.00049624 = 9.8256 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18182 @ 0.00049625 = 9.0228 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7168 @ 0.00049625 = 3.5571 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5782 @ 0.00049628 = 2.8695 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4200 @ 0.00049628 = 2.0844 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: new hampshire population dropping at accelerating rate as millions unable to live free die.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 168 @ 0.00049628 = 0.0834 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14400 @ 0.0004963 = 7.1467 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11232 @ 0.00049633 = 5.5748 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2476 @ 0.00049633 = 1.2289 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5808 @ 0.00049635 = 2.8828 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15065 @ 0.00049635 = 7.4775 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13765 @ 0.00049638 = 6.8327 BTC [+]
smickles: kakobrekla: oh, that was about that docracy thing
smickles: well, he stopped paying s2cm apparantly
jurov: got also #1 place in google
mircea_popescu: well this went well. time to talk to his professional authority nao.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9355 @ 0.00049638 = 4.6436 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34745 @ 0.0004964 = 17.2474 BTC [+]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 11.72902, Best ask: 11.77990, Bid-ask spread: 0.05088, Last trade: 11.78000, 24 hour volume: 66220.00854085, 24 hour low: 10.94020, 24 hour high: 11.80000, 24 hour vwap: 11.35859
mircea_popescu: smickles aren't you sorry you didn't buy all those btc at 10.02 nao :p
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11505 @ 0.0004964 = 5.7111 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21652 @ 0.00049645 = 10.7491 BTC [+]
smickles: heh, maybe i could've setup a synthetic long position
jurov: "Post you shoe-on-head ID photograph here." lmao
smickles: they have 'otc reputation: xxx' next to user names
jurov: whole thing is ridiculous
mircea_popescu: "bitcoin police" heh. why not "bitcoin canadian mounties"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26548 @ 0.00049645 = 13.1798 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12400 @ 0.00049647 = 6.1562 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4652 @ 0.00049648 = 2.3096 BTC [+]
jurov: hey MrTiggr, u listening?
smickles: oooh, getting PH's bosses involved
smickles: lol, i go to that srgexpert site, and the very top of the page is a line of text that says "FAIL..."
smickles: "FAIL (the browser should render some flash content, not this)." << in context
mircea_popescu: possibly the last thing those people expect to find in their inbox as they go to work monday.
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 11.69000, Best ask: 11.70000, Bid-ask spread: 0.01000, Last trade: 11.71199, 24 hour volume: 67417.32414705, 24 hour low: 10.94020, 24 hour high: 11.80000, 24 hour vwap: 11.36874
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21000 @ 0.00049648 = 10.4261 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2561 @ 0.00049648 = 1.2715 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32639 @ 0.00049648 = 16.2046 BTC [+]
smickles: heh, it sounded like a good point as i read it, it was jut very humorous too :)
mircea_popescu: Use your brain and third-party reputation services to determine who to trust. Do not rely on the forum itself. The forum staff doesn't spend much time on scam accusations, so the forum does a very poor job of keeping up with scammers. A for-profit company should deal with this stuff. Or at least a non-profit organization of people who are actually interested in spending a lot of time to fight scams (unlike me).
smickles: did 'the girl' point out that post to bitcoininv who claimed to rely on the forum for reputation and shun the WoT?
smickles: *that's 'World of Tanks' btw ;)
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24900 @ 0.00049656 = 12.3643 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9140 @ 0.0004966 = 4.5389 BTC [+]
smickles: clever is not necessarily reality
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7200 @ 0.0004966 = 3.5755 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37017 @ 0.0004966 = 18.3826 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11450 @ 0.00049663 = 5.6864 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1461 @ 0.00049665 = 0.7256 BTC [+]
smickles: suprisingly, not entirely written by me
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3420 @ 0.00049665 = 1.6985 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10530 @ 0.00049667 = 5.2299 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10470 @ 0.00049667 = 5.2001 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5480 @ 0.00049669 = 2.7219 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu your prediction was correct. Harnett defaulted. would you like your winnings in lollipops?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12220 @ 0.00049669 = 6.0696 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31030 @ 0.00049674 = 15.4138 BTC [+]
BTCHero: harnett made an announcement?
pigeons: actually mircea_popescu predicted that harnett would not default, so mircea deposited coins with patrick. mircea was wrong, patrick did default, and mircea did not get the coins harnett owed him
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14556 @ 0.00049674 = 7.2305 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31255 @ 0.00049677 = 15.5265 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4431 @ 0.0004968 = 2.2013 BTC [+]
smickles: most of my positions are entered into at the beginning of the month
smickles: < BTCHero> harnett made an announcement? << well, you don't need to make an announcement to default, you just need to not fullfill a contract
smickles: thestringpuller: on the options? I've listed them on mpex
smickles: i'll post the link if you want
BTCHero: well yeah, I just didn't know if he actually said it
BTCHero: funny thing is, he paid me more than I originally gave him before he quit paying
smickles: BTCHero: kk :), i'm mostly a pedant here
smickles: thestringpuller: yeah, it would be off the mpex books tho
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27501 @ 0.0004968 = 13.6625 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5801 @ 0.0004968 = 2.8819 BTC [+]
smickles: the that's how much you have with me
smickles: heh, thestringpuller if we do an otc option, then I can give you a 0.2% discount :)
smickles: thestringpuller: no interest yet
smickles: it's being rolled out to my larger clients first
smickles: it was 3.~ before you received your profits
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20956 @ 0.0004968 = 10.4109 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: someone sold a lot one day and cut into all my profits lol
smickles: Although I like mpex, and think it is worthwhile, the implied valuation of it boggles my mind
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16743 @ 0.0004968 = 8.3179 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 557 @ 0.00049713 = 0.2769 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16121 @ 0.00049713 = 8.0142 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7779 @ 0.00049717 = 3.8675 BTC [+]
smickles: yeah, you see why mircea_popescu is all cocky
Diablo-D3: cocky? dude, he should be afraid he isnt murdered in his sleep
smickles: Diablo-D3: well, i dunno, i had heard rumors that he was an assasian in the revolution
Diablo-D3: dude, everyone was an assassin in the revolution
smickles: Diablo-D3: so your imaginary would-be-murderer's plan is to kill him in his sleep and what? steal an encrypted private key?
smickles: Hm, we did not get any more such reports. Sometimes a problem with updating data happens, but it's the first time I hear about "updating is good, but order placement does not work".
smickles: Ok, please use the service as usual, however if you notice problems again - let me know, and then we will try to investigate it thoroughly.
smickles: In responce to my support request
jurov: i read it as "i don't log when someone places an order"
smickles: heh, kakobrekla, well, the cynical me took it as "heh, well, keep trying, we'll keep taking your btc"
jurov: and if such is true that is criminal negligence
kakobrekla: it makes little sense to scam like that while he runs deepbit
jurov: as the saying goes, don't assume malice in something that can be explained by incompetence
smickles: yeah, i'm not actually sure what to make of it all anyway
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24921 @ 0.00049717 = 12.39 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5129 @ 0.00049732 = 2.5508 BTC [+]
smickles: but it would've been nice to have my 50 btc woth of BUZ2 quoted at 10.01 right now
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 11.56810, Best ask: 11.60000, Bid-ask spread: 0.03190, Last trade: 11.60000, 24 hour volume: 69132.05325642, 24 hour low: 10.94020, 24 hour high: 11.80000, 24 hour vwap: 11.38965
jurov: smickles, really, if he hasn't any evidence that you tried to place an order, that is inexcusable
smickles: ;;calc ((1/11.56-1/10.01)*-10)*(50/.15)
smickles: potentially would've nearly doubled my btc there :(
Diablo-D3: [03:02:52] <smickles> Diablo-D3: so your imaginary would-be-murderer's plan is to kill him in his sleep and what? steal an encrypted private key?
Diablo-D3: some people just want to watch the world lulz.
smickles: (assuming gox closes at 11.56 on dec 15)
jurov: what if he has the key only in memory?
jurov: you better do some research first :P
smickles: jurov: well, i'm in a bit of a pickle, 'cause i can't get my btc off of there without taking such a huge loss on the contracts that I may as well just keep it there
smickles: but if they are completly legit, and this was just some aweful error, and btc is anything above 10.6 at settlement, it ends well for me
jurov: so they did not figure out to this moment whether you did place an order or not?
smickles: what i posted here was the last communication I've had from them
smickles: essentially, "thanks for playing, good luck next time"
jurov: like, wtf? they're using monkeys with excel for database?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36850 @ 0.00049732 = 18.3262 BTC [+]
jurov: okay, let it be mokeys with typewriters
smickles: although, personally, i use libreoffice's calc
jurov: smickles, i'd suggest to sell that account to someone and forget icbit
jurov: if they have problems to find orders... and they didn't even close yet
smickles: holy fucking shit!!!!!!!!!!!11
smickles: the orderbook is down to 9.5 best bid
smickles: with a volume of 3 contracts to be sold out
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20550 @ 0.00049732 = 10.2199 BTC [+]
smickles: thestringpuller: my bad joke aside, did you really mean those 3 blank lines as some kind of significant communication?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6171 @ 0.00049732 = 3.069 BTC [+]
gribble: Error: invalid syntax (<string>, line 1)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12550 @ 0.00049748 = 6.2434 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9429 @ 0.00049762 = 4.6921 BTC [+]
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smickles: ;;calc (208220 - 210000) * 10 / 60 / 24
smickles: ;;calc (210000 - 208220) * 10 / 60 / 24 / 7
smickles: if you think it's going over 14 soon, buy the call i'm selling
smickles: you want to sell o.btcusd.p120t where the breakeven is a spot of 14 usd?
smickles: I have a little over 9 btc free in the account now,
smickles: and you could also use options that I have surety for if you like their strikes
smickles: but I don't have too many of those
smickles: any more than that and we'd need to work a deposit thru
smickles: or hey, jurov do you have any spare btc on MPEx?
thestringpuller: lemme move some cash around after work i dont think wav is gonna hit past 11 tonight
smickles: thestringpuller: i'm sure i could borrow a few btc to cover it while we wait for the deposit to go thru
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 11.61492, Best ask: 11.62912, Bid-ask spread: 0.01420, Last trade: 11.65637, 24 hour volume: 69231.58080716, 24 hour low: 10.95151, 24 hour high: 11.80000, 24 hour vwap: 11.39581
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6621 @ 0.00049762 = 3.2947 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23679 @ 0.00049786 = 11.7888 BTC [+]
smickles: jurov: thanks for the info. We'll see what the puller wants to do
smickles: ;;calc (1.09 / 1) ** (1 / (1 /12)) - 1
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1871 @ 0.00049786 = 0.9315 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40950 @ 0.0004992 = 20.4422 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9401 @ 0.00049937 = 4.6946 BTC [+]
smickles: thestringpuller: you say we may do this when you get home from work? what time is that?
thestringpuller: i might recover my mpoe losses if it continues to increase
jurov: after 2100 utc is already
smickles: heh yeah, but add a drive home
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40326 @ 0.00049937 = 20.1376 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6324 @ 0.00049948 = 3.1587 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38676 @ 0.00049948 = 19.3179 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2459 @ 0.00050084 = 1.2316 BTC [+]
jurov: lol,playing satoshidice is easier than to guess this
jurov: i think if btcusd goes above 13, someone will make a dump again
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3891 @ 0.00050084 = 1.9488 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25809 @ 0.00050096 = 12.9293 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4191 @ 0.00050096 = 2.0995 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24709 @ 0.00050104 = 12.3802 BTC [+]
smickles: woah, icbit logs arn't persistent?
smickles: my settlement numbers just changed today
smickles: earlier, the close was marked at 10.11897
smickles: replaced by an entry dated 1.5 hours later, close market at 10.8088
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14591 @ 0.00050104 = 7.3107 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9350 @ 0.00050119 = 4.6861 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9452 @ 0.00050122 = 4.7375 BTC [+]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 11.64980, Best ask: 11.64981, Bid-ask spread: 0.00001, Last trade: 11.64980, 24 hour volume: 69363.84693093, 24 hour low: 11.00000, 24 hour high: 11.80000, 24 hour vwap: 11.41240
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29067 @ 0.00050122 = 14.569 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7933 @ 0.00050122 = 3.9762 BTC [+]
nanotube: >_> looks like i missed an exciting anime discussion ;_;
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36667 @ 0.00050122 = 18.3782 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12033 @ 0.00050123 = 6.0313 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8224 @ 0.00050123 = 4.1221 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5705 @ 0.00050123 = 2.8595 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4895 @ 0.00050123 = 2.4535 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33605 @ 0.00050126 = 16.8448 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51216 @ 0.00050126 = 25.6725 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2034 @ 0.00050127 = 1.0196 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13414 @ 0.00050127 = 6.724 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6886 @ 0.00050128 = 3.4518 BTC [+]
jurov: wow, someone got real craving for s,.mpoe?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14714 @ 0.00050128 = 7.3758 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24286 @ 0.00050131 = 12.1748 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6014 @ 0.00050131 = 3.0149 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11238 @ 0.00050134 = 5.6341 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15848 @ 0.00050135 = 7.9454 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14052 @ 0.00050135 = 7.045 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13600 @ 0.00050137 = 6.8186 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3048 @ 0.00050141 = 1.5283 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12600 @ 0.00050141 = 6.3178 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32300 @ 0.00050141 = 16.1955 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32152 @ 0.00050141 = 16.1213 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6199 @ 0.00050142 = 3.1083 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8550 @ 0.00050142 = 4.2871 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34001 @ 0.00050142 = 17.0488 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6999 @ 0.00050142 = 3.5094 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13564 @ 0.00050142 = 6.8013 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: <BTCHero> funny thing is, he paid me more than I originally gave him before he quit paying <<< omg clawback
mircea_popescu: <jurov> so they did not figure out to this moment whether you did place an order or not? << this is exactly why the website model does not work too well for exchanges
mircea_popescu: "i did so place an order!" "no you did not!!!" is bs. show me your signed receipt ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15737 @ 0.00050142 = 7.8908 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17499 @ 0.00050144 = 8.7747 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: I'm finally at a machine, as you can see I am typing much faster
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: So you lived the revolution of 89. I had a good friend who was conceived during that revolution...
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 11.73780, Best ask: 11.73800, Bid-ask spread: 0.00020, Last trade: 11.73780, 24 hour volume: 58210.62028898, 24 hour low: 11.17500, 24 hour high: 11.80000, 24 hour vwap: 11.49471
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22750 @ 0.00050144 = 11.4078 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15551 @ 0.00050144 = 7.7979 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2449 @ 0.00050147 = 1.2281 BTC [+]
BTCHero: mircea_popescu: we both know no one is getting another cent, especially not one clawed back from me
BTCHero: That sort of thing happens in the real world, not bitcoinland
mircea_popescu: personally, i'm looking forward to youtube vids with patrick homeless under a bridge in a few years.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17200 @ 0.00050147 = 8.6253 BTC [+]
BTCHero: I hope the same of nefario
smickles: thestringpuller: how many, what strike?
BTCHero: Well, I know nothing of his living conditions, just that I want them to deteriorate
jurov: thestringpuller, can i be of some disservice, too?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 700 @ 0.00050147 = 0.351 BTC [+]
jurov: if not, i'm gonna sleep
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2651 @ 0.00050147 = 1.3294 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25542 @ 0.0005015 = 12.8093 BTC [+]
smickles: jurov: i think he's afk currently
smickles: jurov: if mircea_popescu at keyboard, we prolly don't need you for what we talked about earlier
jurov: ha. i'll start mpex brokers' union
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1day: 0.00048619 / 0.00049456 / 0.0005015 (4558726 shares, 2,254.59 BTC), 30day: 0.00041724 / 0.00047429 / 0.00051331 (63096616 shares, 29,926.13 BTC)
jurov: yes, today's development was very intresting
thestringpuller: Someone liquidated early holdings of mpoe that last couple of days as it is gaining value
jurov: yea but that was yesterday. today completely different things happened
smickles: so... I'm thinking that my icbit account is locked
jurov: i told ya.. sell it while you can
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15858 @ 0.0005015 = 7.9528 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11873 @ 0.0005015 = 5.9543 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26685 @ 0.00050154 = 13.3836 BTC [+]
jurov: when i succeed to return all these loans and have more stuff than i began with, then we can talk about me being a broker
thestringpuller: historically mpoe makes money so why shouldn't shareholders be confident?
mircea_popescu: there's not that many actual ways to make money that are in btc.
thestringpuller: thus doesn't that make MPOE one of the rare institutions that makes btc besides say, miners, or like bitinstant?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25893 @ 0.00050154 = 12.9864 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1081 @ 0.00050158 = 0.5422 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: there's a few businesses and business models that actually make btc revenue.
jurov: let's make us a new channel: #bitcoin-circlejerk
jurov: loool it exists.. and guess who is op
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12419 @ 0.00050158 = 6.2291 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1624 @ 0.00050159 = 0.8146 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35801 @ 0.00050159 = 17.9574 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14900 @ 0.00050159 = 7.4737 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: "Of all the offspring of Time, Error is the most ancient, and is so old and familiar an acquaintance, that Truth, when discovered, comes upon most of us like an intruder, and meets the intruder's welcome."
smickles: mircea_popescu: researching tulip futures contracts ?
mircea_popescu: just re-visiting the popular delusions and madness of crowds book
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21214 @ 0.00050159 = 10.6407 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27032 @ 0.00050161 = 13.5595 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5768 @ 0.00050161 = 2.8933 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27250 @ 0.00050164 = 13.6697 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10082 @ 0.00050166 = 5.0577 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10000 @ 0.00050166 = 5.0166 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31637 @ 0.00050166 = 15.871 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: suddenly we comprehend why trade receipts are suck fucking important pieces of info
smickles: mircea_popescu: no, because if you give receipts, you can't scam the suckers ;)
smickles: mircea_popescu: ever consider making it to where you use m of n txns instead of holding btc?
mircea_popescu: all the while, inaba is explaining why the nebulous conflartion of gpg, wot and everything else in his head is "marginal"
mircea_popescu: i;ve considered it, but it seems like a lot of trouble for very dubious benefits.
mircea_popescu: the main disadvantage is that a scheme like that makes all transactions traceable.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16363 @ 0.00050166 = 8.2087 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22637 @ 0.00050166 = 11.3561 BTC [+]
smickles: dubious? wouldn't it lower the desireability to attack the exchange, lower your liabilty (risk) and increase the exchange's trustworthyness?
smickles: although, it's still a lot of work
mircea_popescu: i doubt the exchange's trustworthyness can ever exceed mine. in this sense it would increase it from 100% to 100%, so it's a moot point.
mircea_popescu: the problem of tracing is essential tho. currently money going in/out of mpex is not associable with any user
mircea_popescu: in the m/n scheme money could be followed through the actual transactions, exposing everyone.
mircea_popescu: i can see the argument for using that model anyway, but it would be a catastrophic departure from the current model, so nothing i'd entertain lightly.
smickles: in other news, php takes a long ass time to install
mircea_popescu: other points are that the complexity of implementation might perversely make the exchange more attack-worthy (as in, more code that could maybe be fucked up ?)
smickles: ... if you are updating linux headers, gcc, and 30 other dependancies too...
smickles: ... compiling them all from source ...
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 11.68000, Best ask: 11.68979, Bid-ask spread: 0.00979, Last trade: 11.68001, 24 hour volume: 56976.73757283, 24 hour low: 11.17500, 24 hour high: 11.80000, 24 hour vwap: 11.51821
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5718 @ 0.00050166 = 2.8685 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10300 @ 0.00050166 = 5.1671 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1963 @ 0.00050166 = 0.9848 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8506 @ 0.0005017 = 4.2675 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 140 @ 0.00339942 = 0.4759 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 460 @ 0.00339944 = 1.5637 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10563 @ 0.0005017 = 5.2995 BTC [+]
smickles: thestringpuller: if your are going to mix upthe order of the letters in my name, try for slicks me
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19981 @ 0.0005017 = 10.0245 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4219 @ 0.00050185 = 2.1173 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35181 @ 0.00050185 = 17.6556 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2719 @ 0.00050199 = 1.3649 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24481 @ 0.00050199 = 12.2892 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9319 @ 0.00050204 = 4.6785 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28800 @ 0.00050204 = 14.4588 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3581 @ 0.00050204 = 1.7978 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23300 @ 0.00050206 = 11.698 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4819 @ 0.00050218 = 2.42 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21466 @ 0.00050218 = 10.7798 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25965 @ 0.00050218 = 13.0391 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7435 @ 0.00050223 = 3.7341 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12615 @ 0.00050223 = 6.3356 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5485 @ 0.00050235 = 2.7554 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17515 @ 0.00050235 = 8.7987 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11890 @ 0.00050304 = 5.9811 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18612 @ 0.00050317 = 9.365 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17538 @ 0.00050317 = 8.8246 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23184 @ 0.00050335 = 11.6697 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10750 @ 0.00050359 = 5.4136 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6549 @ 0.00050366 = 3.2985 BTC [+]
smickles: thestringpuller: you mean we'll do a put when mtgox gets to 12?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4951 @ 0.00050366 = 2.4936 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11850 @ 0.00050369 = 5.9687 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5449 @ 0.00050369 = 2.7446 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11422 @ 0.00050369 = 5.7531 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11279 @ 0.00050369 = 5.6811 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16800 @ 0.00050373 = 8.4627 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5821 @ 0.00050375 = 2.9323 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28550 @ 0.00050375 = 14.3821 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13105 @ 0.00050375 = 6.6016 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9778 @ 0.00050012 = 4.8902 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12607 @ 0.00049986 = 6.3017 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16321 @ 0.00049967 = 8.1551 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8000 @ 0.0004982 = 3.9856 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20741 @ 0.0004982 = 10.3332 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4559 @ 0.00049819 = 2.2712 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19450 @ 0.00049854 = 9.6966 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9792 @ 0.00049961 = 4.8922 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9300 @ 0.00049963 = 4.6466 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4358 @ 0.0004997 = 2.1777 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37942 @ 0.0004997 = 18.9596 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2608 @ 0.00049973 = 1.3033 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27242 @ 0.00049973 = 13.6136 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6050 @ 0.00049978 = 3.0237 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16930 @ 0.00049994 = 8.464 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13078 @ 0.00049979 = 6.5363 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14970 @ 0.00049994 = 7.4841 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28230 @ 0.00050012 = 14.1184 BTC [+]
smickles: "( ) Enable keyboard shortcuts?" << hell yeah enable keyboard shortcuts! Why isn't that checked by default?
Chaang-Noi: hostess shut down like i said they would
Chaang-Noi: also petraus bs.. looks like he new it was a terrorst attack and he got kicked out cuz he was fail, not cuz sleeping around
Chaang-Noi: someone maybe the white house... edited some of the report, cuz election
jurov: you mean, longer time?
kakobrekla: like for example id like to see last 30d or so
jurov: in fact yes, i planned to do it someday
mircea_popescu: maybe just a 1 day 7 day 30 day 365 day set of buttons
jurov: it's just that currently i have to do other jobs :/
jurov: if anyone cared to toss some btc in for charts improvement, it woould be sooner ;)
mircea_popescu: course now looking at it, i don't understand the depth
mircea_popescu: no nm, you're right, there are cliffs around 48 and 52
jurov: mircea, not sure if you're trolling.. which depth is wrong? bid? ask?
jurov: hm.. i'll put donation addy there and we'll see
jurov: 1CoinBr662GWdiqVz8mXJUnYjWZbBchKAb
mircea_popescu: is bitcoin bereft of literary talent! are you all stifs!
jurov: and the cherry truck is actually used anywhere?
mircea_popescu: it did deliver it's weight in lulz tho, did you see that croppo guy go ?
jurov: seems i kinda missed that thread
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11900 @ 0.00050042 = 5.955 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26869 @ 0.00050044 = 13.4463 BTC [+]
jurov: it took me till now to actually read until the picture :/
jurov: and i should be doing something completely different
Chaang-Noi: im pretty sure nefario did that all by himself...
kakobrekla: mpex demolished glbse by not failing :)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29981 @ 0.00050044 = 15.0037 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2368 @ 0.00050049 = 1.1852 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: inaba sitting around explaining how he doesn't have to learn to use the wot
kakobrekla: well inaba is a puppet with a huge army of stupid followers
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla yeah, bfl pays forum ppl to put them in the signature. i pay forum ppl to put "fuck you sec" in their signature.
mircea_popescu: apparently the difference is lost on most of the population.
jurov: bucharest is LA minus fresh air? that means in bucharest there's fresher air or vice versa?
jurov: (was never in either)
mircea_popescu: stylistically this implies that compared to bucharest, la has fresh air going for it.
jurov: then i'd say it's LA plus fresh air... but let's see what english natives say
jurov: if there are any around
jurov: and yes, i heard rumors about bay area smog, too
mircea_popescu: if it's la plus fresh air then that'd mean bucharest has fresh air. quite the contrary
mircea_popescu: if anyone is into judicialspotting : www.judicialhellholes.org%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2011%2F12%2FJudicial-Hellholes-2011.pdf
jurov: bah, that's just 'merica
jurov: i looked forward to seeing slovakia there
jurov: we don't even have Attorney General for like, more than a year.. cause president just refused to appoint the elected one, for basically "no reason".
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33200 @ 0.00050049 = 16.6163 BTC [+]
jurov: so? just a mess, generally
jurov: "LOL... you are laughable man. Good luck with your business ventures, it's clear you have exactly zero connection with business reality!"
jurov: inaba recovered from aneurysm.. with some lasting damage, tho
kuzetsa: isnt' that the one terrorists use?
EskimoBob: I want the full list, not some shitty 140 char. messages
kuzetsa: yeah, my boyfriend has that... he uses tumblr though not twitter lol
kuzetsa: interesting... 3.7-rc6 today, but still no 3.6.7
kuzetsa: I guess linus torvolds REALLY wants to put everything on hold until 3.7.x is out
kuzetsa: thestringpuller: yeah. criticizing people's work and blocking new features.
kuzetsa: it's like torvold's main thing.
mircea_popescu: kuzetsa in truth tho, after a product matures, guarding against feature creep is the main responsibility of the maintainer.
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1day: 0.00049638 / 0.00050017 / 0.00050375 (2812055 shares, 1,406.53 BTC), 30day: 0.0004278 / 0.00047652 / 0.00051331 (62500950 shares, 29,783.02 BTC)
kuzetsa: mircea_popescu: fair enough.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44866 @ 0.00050024 = 22.4438 BTC [-]
thestringpuller: ive never heard a story about someone getting high, going home and beating their wife
kakobrekla: imma gonna do it just to prove you wrong.
kakobrekla: mircea_popescu, that can be done instantly while i smoke.
mircea_popescu: a, welcome to the pit. so what exactly is the story with icbit ?
_Fireball: I read your report, and I think you judged your conclusions of the fact that the futures contract position is closed each day after clearing
_Fireball: it's not closed, and it was not forcefully closed yesterday too, even considering the massive sell off
gribble: smickles was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 7 hours, 42 minutes, and 3 seconds ago: <smickles> er
mircea_popescu: the point of most concern is smickles' report that he could not place bids
_Fireball: clearing is just to transfer variation margin
_Fireball: mircea_popescu, - I warned that to prevent manipulation we are delaying clearing for half an hour and will perform some maintenance during that time
mircea_popescu: 15NOV12 19:59 At 30 seconds until close, I saw the expected sell order. It was larger than I had expected, leaving about 450 contracts on the book at 10.025. Notwithstanding the fact that his order would not overcome this, I dutifully placed the order Mircea had asked me too.
_Fireball: ah, so you're talking about the day before. There were no scheduled maintenance back then, order entry was working as expected
kakobrekla: hrm, also, afaik bucket shop != dealing desk
_Fireball: I'm referring to the specific line in your blog post:
_Fireball: "At 22:00 20:00 UTC the site arbitrarily enforces an even lower price, wipes his margin, closes his contract and that’s that, random user was scammed out of his few BTC."
_Fireball: Contract is NOT closed at 20:00 UTC.
mircea_popescu: um. so suppose someone buys 1000 contracts at 10, deposits enough margin for just this
_Fireball: nope, variation margin is transferred, that guy experience loss, but he still has 1000 contracts at 5
_Fireball: this goes on until there is enough money in the account
mircea_popescu: but in the example i gave there would not be enough money in the account.
mircea_popescu: let's work in more detail. usd/btc is 10.0. someone deposits 100 btc. with margin, buys 500 contracts at a price of 10
mircea_popescu: the 100 btc deposited are not enough, are the contracts closed or no ?
_Fireball: it can't be 5 because there is a trading range for every session, which is a measure to prevent such situation entirely
_Fireball: so profit/loss within a trading session is limited by the trading range
mircea_popescu: that has little impact. yes, you only change it 10% a day.
_Fireball: otherwise manipulators could bring it down to 1 and crash the market
mircea_popescu: monday someone deposits 100 btc, price is 10. they buy 5000 contracts (cause of 5x margin)
mircea_popescu: whether my position was closed or not is besides the point. the part of the article you're discussing is refering the mechanics of the thing, not my own position.
_Fireball: this position *could be* forcefully sold if and only if the balance (money in the account + profit/loss in the current trading session) is less than or equal to 75% of the total maintenance margin requirement for the open positions
_Fireball: so if the market is going down, the position would be gradually liquidated well before it reachs 5 on sunday
mircea_popescu: but again, the point of most concern is that on the 15th the book was closed to some participants, but not others.
_Fireball: we are quite careful not to cause too much of a flash-crash effect, so this is a managed process
mircea_popescu: this would naturally lead to an inference against your site.
_Fireball: why placing orders in the last minute btw?
_Fireball: we don't *guarantee* that your ISP maintains perfect connection to the website
_Fireball: pardon, what's the point to place orders before clearing?
_Fireball: a clearing doesn't do any magic really
_Fireball: it just transfers variation margin, nothing is lost during that
_Fireball: a typical limit order can be put in at any time
mircea_popescu: but if one suspects that the sellout happening just before closing is not legitimate
_Fireball: if you imagine this is ICBIT's own actions, they could be done at any other time of a day
mircea_popescu: not really. the allegation is that you close the book for customers at 30 seconds before 20:00
_Fireball: but it doesn't give me any profit!
mircea_popescu: then do some fake trading, then reopen the book 10 seconds after 20:00
_Fireball: margin call can't happen during clearing
mircea_popescu: it possibly gives you a profit through the mechanism delineated at the end of the article,
mircea_popescu: but whether it does or it doesn't isn't really relevant
_Fireball: honestly, by reading your blog post, I see that you have little idea how futures exchanges work
_Fireball: so, would you be a man and write an apology?
_Fireball: why "facts" you mentioned make no sense
mircea_popescu: i think he just got blindsided. he thought bfl is the greatest business in btc
mircea_popescu: an easy mistake to make, everyone thinks his kids are the smartest.
_Fireball: "Their volume is listed as 320k USD, which makes absolutely zero sense" - all trades are logged, however obviously it's not daily volume, but total volume of a contract.
_Fireball: you can check it if you make a trade, the total volume would be updated.
mircea_popescu: _Fireball it makes zero sense because a. it's not clear if you mean per day, week month, year
_Fireball: total since the introduction of this contract
_Fireball: they are time limited, you know. It expires in a month
mircea_popescu: volume is reported by a fixed time interval. like a month, or a day.
mircea_popescu: i understand _why_ you do it this way, if you said 40 BTC/day it would look poor but honest, but anyway.
_Fireball: but it shows correct volume if you look at it day per day
_Fireball: yes, anyway, let's discuss one thing
mircea_popescu: (tho i could have said it makes zero sense to put charts behind a pw)
_Fireball: what's the point of your, let me say, not very good article?
_Fireball: it's quite clear that you can't back any accusation
_Fireball: if I would be scammer, I would not come here
mircea_popescu: no, actually, in general scammers do come to me with a head full of steam in the first pass
mircea_popescu: because they fail to realise that i employ people, that i've had the affidavit vetter by trade engine experts before posting and on and on
_Fireball: my head is not full of steam at all
mircea_popescu: smickles yet again the problem with the website model. customer says X. site says Y. how do we verify this ?
_Fireball: mircea_popescu, is this blackmailing?
mircea_popescu: weren't you complaining earlier you didn't get any mail ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10154 @ 0.00050036 = 5.0807 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19300 @ 0.00050012 = 9.6523 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32600 @ 0.00049982 = 16.2941 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34750 @ 0.00049966 = 17.3632 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29950 @ 0.0004995 = 14.96 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11591 @ 0.00049855 = 5.7787 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12109 @ 0.00049777 = 6.0275 BTC [-]
_Fireball: mircea_popescu, you are not going to issue an apology, right?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7550 @ 0.00049585 = 3.7437 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3419 @ 0.00048619 = 1.6623 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23333 @ 0.00048608 = 11.3417 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66600 @ 0.00048597 = 32.3656 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35150 @ 0.00048571 = 17.0727 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39800 @ 0.00048554 = 19.3245 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45600 @ 0.00048536 = 22.1324 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20650 @ 0.00048527 = 10.0208 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9800 @ 0.00048516 = 4.7546 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34624 @ 0.00048515 = 16.7978 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16900 @ 0.00048515 = 8.199 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41688 @ 0.00048509 = 20.2224 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4432 @ 0.00048504 = 2.1497 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: rather than posturing you'd be much better served by addressing the actual points.
_Fireball: anyway, what's the list of the actual points?
_Fireball: besides trades log (I can export and publish it, if needed)
smickles: hi _Fireball thanks for joining us here :) do you think you could work with kakobrekla to get streaming icbit futures trades in the chan?
mircea_popescu: that you close the book half a minute before daily settlement, that you then proceed to execute fake trades on your own account, that you then reopen the book after daily settlement cutoff
_Fireball: smickles, I'd be more glad if mircea_popescu would stop assuming ICBIT is "scammy piece of shit" ;-)
_Fireball: mircea_popescu, ok, let's make it clear: it's NOT settlement!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 5000 @ 0.00339944 = 16.9972 BTC [+]
_Fireball: contracts are NOT settled a 20:00 GMT
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BVPS] 1200 @ 0.00280004 = 3.36 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: listen. is there some event occuring on your site every day at 20:00 ?
_Fireball: yes, it's called clearing, it's a technical event
mircea_popescu: yes yes. you settle daily inasmuch as you keep moving margins around.
smickles: heh, mircea_popescu technically settlement is jargon
smickles: anyway, _Fireball so you suspect connection failure when I still saw the live depth updating?
_Fireball: smickles, that sometimes happens, I'm going to investigate the reasons, but ften it's just connection failure
smickles: _Fireball: I know the net does weird things sometimes, and I don't know your system thouroughly, but you can see why mircea_popescu is suspicious (to say the least)
_Fireball: it's in our internal issue tracker, so it's being worked on, and I will report if we find something on our end
_Fireball: kakobrekla, could you send me details how to add futures trades reporting to this channel?
mircea_popescu: basically you output them to a twitter channel and the bot sucks them from there.
_Fireball: are we past the point of clearing vs settlement differences?
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C130T] 119 @ 0.09306063 = 11.0742 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: i booked passage to romania, lets go see romanian titties!!!
kakobrekla: mircea_popescu, send the wrath of pr back on forums
jurov: kakobrekla, you can ensure that by inciting katz to join
kakobrekla: inaba: until you start shipping asic STFU.
kakobrekla: its like hashking would come to patricks thread
kakobrekla: lucidlepidoptera, that was not ment for you
kakobrekla: im still ranting about inabas halicunations.
_Fireball: kakobrekla, pls send me those details
thestringpuller: kakobrekla: which was his point, even though he is nincumpoop
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller how would you even know what their revenue was ?
thestringpuller: a statician wrote a whitepaper on it. im looking for it now
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 11.66611, Best ask: 11.73287, Bid-ask spread: 0.06676, Last trade: 11.66610, 24 hour volume: 22340.79606444, 24 hour low: 11.42000, 24 hour high: 11.80000, 24 hour vwap: 11.65028
thestringpuller: can i see smickles mpoe financials i cant find them on your blog cause i dont speakuh da romanian
FabianB_: lucidlepidoptera: what's the difference between QuickBitcoins.net and ziggap.com?
lucidlepidoptera: FabianB_: we sold quicbitcoins, ziggap will be similar but much better ;-)
FabianB_: lucidlepidoptera: who bought it? doesn't seem to work anymore
thestringpuller: lucidlepidoptera: how are you planning to bypass moneygram fees
aethero: The buyer is wanting to remain undisclosed.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19050 @ 0.00049771 = 9.4814 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7702 @ 0.00050049 = 3.8548 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: that's dividend information I wanted to see smickles reports
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23248 @ 0.00050058 = 11.6375 BTC [+]
aethero: Moneygram charges the customer a flat fee at point of sell for a billpay
smickles: thestringpuller: mpoe.etf is dead
aethero: They dont charge the biller anything.
thestringpuller: smickles: you had written financials for mpoe's financials that used to be on polimedia blog
smickles: it is S.MPOE's report in english
aethero: thestringpuller: Do you have any other questions which I might be able to answer?
thestringpuller: aethero: so you signed up for moneygram's bill pay service?
thestringpuller: when I said revenue for silk road that was the total take home I apologize for the confusion
mircea_popescu: well, the profit varies wildly for mpoe, but it's never been more than 40%ish of revenue so
pigeons: sr takes 10% + seller seat fees
aethero: No we haven't yet, but we are currently in touch with a person at MoneyGram International, who is waiting for us to pull the trigger on this.
pigeons: thestringpuller: not aware of mob involvement
thestringpuller: so server load costs can be no more than $5000 a year so they still have a $130,000 take home
pigeons: mircea_popescu: well sr is against the mob and the mob is against it, for business reasons. don't believe me and obviously i'm not in a postition to prove it, but when i see things thrown out there i respond
mircea_popescu: i wasn't particularly serious either, just saying, not like the mob advertises
thestringpuller: what I meant by everyone wants drugs is it is "demographicaless"
mircea_popescu: besides, "the mob". there;'s what, fiddy billion factions. i don't think they even know anymore.
mircea_popescu: still, the one point of concern was that their weapons store closed for lack of business.
mircea_popescu: this may seem to indicate they don't really have much clientele. it could be just puffery, buncha kids selling bath salts and pills.
mircea_popescu: note that i have no idea and don't really care either way.
jurov: i guess usually only first few trades are done via sr, rest of them directly
jurov: so it depends on influx of newbs
mircea_popescu: the market for narcotics is a very tough racked to break into.
smickles: god dammit mircea_popescu, i'm sending you 1 usd worth of btc
jurov: prolly it's all that's left from icbit account?
gribble: yes I am gribble. why do you keep bothering me?
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 11.67001, Best ask: 11.73699, Bid-ask spread: 0.06698, Last trade: 11.73700, 24 hour volume: 21863.28175201, 24 hour low: 11.42000, 24 hour high: 11.80000, 24 hour vwap: 11.65305
gribble: Error: "bc,eur" is not a valid command.
gribble: 1 BTC = 11.73700 U.S. dollars = 9.22212619 Euros
mircea_popescu: if you read a buncha posts it pops this paid content thign
smickles: thestringpuller: mircea_popescu has a paywall on his blog
smickles: you get 5 or so free, each time you read an article it ticks one off,
mircea_popescu: i actually am the first guy online to charge for content
_Fireball: "<thestringpuller> so icbit is fucked"
_Fireball: mircea_popescu is the one who is f..cked :-)
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller the theory goes that some mysterious "manipulator" who had been keeping the price low on the site is losing all the money. not the site itself.
mircea_popescu: lucky that after wreaking havoc for a while he was scared by a trilema article.
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P110T] 44 @ 0.07123871 = 3.1345 BTC [-]
aethero: Why would someone even *want* to keep the price low?
smickles: and are trying to force liquidate longs
_Fireball: aethero, that one who has big "short" position
_Fireball: mircea_popescu, the world is not limited by your personal knowledge
smickles: it's like a double down in blackjack
mircea_popescu: _Fireball well in this case, the frequency of bitcoin bears is limited by the fact that people who have bitcoins tend to believe in them too, or else they'd have never bought any.
_Fireball: mircea_popescu, do you realize there is such thing as arbitrage?
_Fireball: or hedging the risk using futures/
_Fireball: then you would not be surprised by people "shorting" bitcoins
mircea_popescu: people can short 100k bitcoins synthetically via options on the spot, and probably about the same in traditional borrow-short positions over the otc if they are well known
_Fireball: what does slippage has to do with short positions?
_Fireball: the rate dropped *because* of the excessive shorting
mircea_popescu: you are proposing the theory whereby "someone" sold btc all the way to 10.02 YESTERDAY. his position covers a few hundred btc.
_Fireball: ICBIT is obviously a way more mature service than your "exchange"
_Fireball: because I have seen almost 0 positive opinions about it
_Fireball: thestringpuller, I requested apologies from mircea_popescu already three times in a row
pigeons: i like it. its not perfect, but nothing's better yet
mircea_popescu: well, do it five times, who knows, maybe repeating it helps.
_Fireball: as a trader, after speaking to such person, I would keep away from anything closely related to Popescu
_Fireball: he doesn't understand even basic financial stuff as we saw above
pigeons: yeah see that leaves us with nothing
_Fireball: how could he create an exchange after all?
mircea_popescu: heh srsly. you were just blown to bits and you're gonna what, bite my arms off ? bleed on me ?
thestringpuller: there was a mongolian soldier who after his swords broke used dead bodies to continue to fight
mircea_popescu: there's this scene where the roman guard makes him fix his spelling
_Fireball: ok guys, it was nice meeting you all (except popescu, of course)
_Fireball: when I have some free time, I will do live reporting via twitter
Doffx: Anything new with Glbse these days
Doffx: Ive pretty much stopped following anything bitcoin.
Doffx: Well that's poopy.
Doffx: It's all Azelphur's fault, had he made the Mpex Passthrough website 6 months ago like he said we would all be rich.
smickles: at least jurov has coinbr.com now
mircea_popescu: but anyway Doffx you missed out on all the drama&outrage earlier.
Doffx: I think I was more saved from, rather than missed anything, however that's my opinion.
Doffx: Take 10 steps then draw your weapon sirs.
jurov: i think if azelphur decided 6 months ago, now it would be in alpha, at most.. not a simple endeavor
Doffx: Oh I'm just nudging Azelphur because hes a cool guy.
mircea_popescu: he is a cool guy, but lately he's all but dissapeared.
Doffx: I never expected anything from it even way back them but it was a good idea.
jurov: a bit too cool now
Doffx: Hes prolly been playing Planetside.
Azelphur: I decided not to do it as I don't like my code handling large amounts of money
Azelphur: would just be a constant source of lost sleep
Doffx: Hes a shut in computer geek, no time for girls they eat up all your time.
Doffx: That was redundant.
Doffx: What games are you playing anyhow Azelphur?
Azelphur: I've been playing the TF2 Linux beta :P
Doffx: Isint steam going to be Linux ready soon too?
Doffx: I'm curious how that will work I should look in to it again/
smickles: Azelphur: what's there to ask? you already said it works.
smickles: heh, it also works under wine with the -opengl launch command
Azelphur: smickles: it runs faster on native Linux than it does on Windows
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C120T] 5 @ 0.1432 = 0.716 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C120T] 10 @ 0.2201083 = 2.2011 BTC [+]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 11.72000, Best ask: 11.72795, Bid-ask spread: 0.00795, Last trade: 11.72000, 24 hour volume: 20393.60504399, 24 hour low: 11.52000, 24 hour high: 11.80000, 24 hour vwap: 11.66542
Doffx: Ahh Limited Invite 1000 people
Doffx: And you made it in Azelphur?
Doffx: I cant use playonlinux right now
Doffx: the New nvidia drivers have the 32bit multi inside them but it doesn’t seem to know that
Doffx: I'm not sure how you get around that yet.
Doffx: PlayOnLinux is unable to find 32bits OpenGL libraries.
Azelphur: I'm using it on 64bit nvidia proprietary
Doffx: Yeah I was before as well, but I had loaded the 32 bit glx and those are gone now rolled up in to the main driver
smickles: kakobrekla: well, once i consolidate them, you can see them all you want
smickles: jezus mircea_popescu that link, it goes on forever
smickles: under 400 in btc and about 300 worth of obligations to ss
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40150 @ 0.00049704 = 19.9562 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1968 @ 0.00049729 = 0.9787 BTC [+]
smickles: coding and waiting for a chain to sync
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 11.72288, Best ask: 11.72418, Bid-ask spread: 0.00130, Last trade: 11.72288, 24 hour volume: 19759.87479185, 24 hour low: 11.52000, 24 hour high: 11.80000, 24 hour vwap: 11.67289
BTCHero: Daughter got ahold of the keyboard
smickles: I was just asked if we have a claim process ready for if glbse never gives out info
pigeons: in most cases i don't see how it could be done
smickles: I said that if a good process becomes known, we'll use it
mircea_popescu: everyone's asked this and nobody'll have a good answer.
smickles: ;;calc 50*6*24*30*[ticker --last]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P120T] 4 @ 0.10733077 = 0.4293 BTC [-]
smickles: yeah, but it means that the miners ar prolly using or saving most of the generated btc recently
smickles: 'cause if they were selling it, it'd tank the price
mircea_popescu: alternatively, it means that mtgox's marketshare leaking has been going steady and possibly aggravating
smickles: mtgox 30day volume is 10mil usd
mircea_popescu: i fear they went from two thirds this spring to something like 40% today.
smickles: well, i'll calc that # right now
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 11.79000, Best ask: 11.81000, Bid-ask spread: 0.02000, Last trade: 11.79000, 24 hour volume: 19628.77008381, 24 hour low: 11.52000, 24 hour high: 11.81000, 24 hour vwap: 11.67984
smickles: 30 day volume of all bitcoincharts reporting exchanges (except gox)
Bugpowder: gox deposits were totally fucked up from USA last month
Bugpowder: I see I should have held onto my MPOE stock
Bugpowder: could have made all the fucked up losses back
smickles: mircea_popescu: yeah, we can't discount otc trading
Bugpowder: Paid Content This article is available for a fee.
Bugpowder: GLBSE paid me my coins, but not my stock
smickles: mircea_popescu is clearly making a living off of trilema credits
smickles: ;;sell 900 "Trilema Credits" at .1 BTC
smickles: may as well test the waters ;)
gribble: Error: "bc" is not a valid command.
Bugpowder: I wonder how much I could make off my blog with Adsense
smickles: Bugpowder: i heard that the various btc ad networks pay better
Bugpowder: I think the most profits would be direct negotiation with companies
smickles: "The field of connectomics …." /me has some research to do now
smickles: i must know what connectomics is in detail
smickles: mircea_popescu: lol, i feel little now, my blog is all of two piddly unimportant links, this guy's blog is interesting science
smickles: totally got to write about the 'merican transition to fair value accounting methods
Bugpowder: but... if you fuck up, get a new one
mircea_popescu: hahaha you ever watch seinfeld ? is this episode which includes the need for very small instruments
Bugpowder: I am not familiar with that episode, they only play the same 10 episodes in syndication
mircea_popescu: i have the whole collection, i musta seen each episode a dozen times
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10032 @ 0.00049729 = 4.9888 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38100 @ 0.00049733 = 18.9483 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41347 @ 0.00049744 = 20.5677 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18500 @ 0.00049753 = 9.2043 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24700 @ 0.00049762 = 12.2912 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31102 @ 0.00050058 = 15.569 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12213 @ 0.00050064 = 6.1143 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55400 @ 0.00050068 = 27.7377 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27650 @ 0.00050073 = 13.8452 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38950 @ 0.00050081 = 19.5065 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26447 @ 0.00050082 = 13.2452 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9693 @ 0.00050087 = 4.8549 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34967 @ 0.00050092 = 17.5157 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47500 @ 0.00050376 = 23.9286 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31700 @ 0.00050381 = 15.9708 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28550 @ 0.00050382 = 14.3841 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19650 @ 0.00050383 = 9.9003 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36650 @ 0.00050388 = 18.4672 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19504 @ 0.00050392 = 9.8285 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48243 @ 0.00050394 = 24.3116 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41600 @ 0.00050395 = 20.9643 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51500 @ 0.00050395 = 25.9534 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4650 @ 0.00050395 = 2.3434 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51005 @ 0.000504 = 25.7065 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30605 @ 0.000504 = 15.4249 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29200 @ 0.00050401 = 14.7171 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45650 @ 0.00050402 = 23.0085 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31001 @ 0.00050403 = 15.6254 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31100 @ 0.00050404 = 15.6756 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6900 @ 0.00050412 = 3.4784 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33462 @ 0.00050412 = 16.8689 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37280 @ 0.00050413 = 18.794 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5149 @ 0.00050415 = 2.5959 BTC [+]
pigeons: don't input those "random numbers" into gribble's calculator
mircea_popescu: pigeons inaba was cute, seeing how he's a sort of bfl-pr
pigeons: mircea_popescu thinks that inaba doesn't wear one
pigeons: i didn't say he does. i just think you're being a little hasty saying he doesn't
smickles: I was going to bid .0009 for some options,
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P110T] 4 @ 0.07 = 0.28 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: 110t, that has a good chance to expire worthless i guess
mircea_popescu: pigeons but anyway, what's the latest word on bfl delivery ? december ?
pigeons: i haven't been following it either. one of the other compies (bASIC?) sent customers and email that their orders were "ready to ship" and they are the first asic miner company ready to ship (just as soon as they assemble and test them)
mircea_popescu: only in bitcoinland untested and unassembled items are "ready to ship"
smickles: lol, ready to ship, but we need to build them and see if they work firs
mircea_popescu: it's like... see this pile of wood over here my good man smickles ?
pigeons: they printed the shipping invoices too, so they are ready
pigeons: ah, it seems bfl componenets are "being loaded on a truck" for assembly when they arrive
mircea_popescu: -I've got a pretty solid handle on number of units paid with BTC and completed Credit Cards. However I have over 350 54G units for which the credit card payments need to be verified. If every single one of those orders reconciles to a payment (doubtful), we'll be at around 800 of the 54G units paid for and in the ship-pile.
pigeons: look at the price of that product
pigeons: yeah i thought 1200 for the 54g
pigeons: man i am the least informed on bitcoin asic miners anyway
mircea_popescu: so these guys got 1mn in, bfl took something like 5-6 ?
mircea_popescu: they're all fighting (with the current miners) for a 1,3 btc stake the next year.
gribble: (title <url>) -- Returns the HTML <title>...</title> of a URL.
gribble: Private school is child slavery!!!
Bugpowder: mircea_popescu Mining is a loser game
smickles: Bugpowder: not if the tax deduction is taken into account, and you planned to pay taxes in the first place
mircea_popescu: smickles in an economy as shitty as this tax credits aren't worht the mention
smickles: business can deduct expenses, like equipment purchases
mircea_popescu: smickles i could probably bill an aditional 1-200k euros and not pay 100 euros more in tax atm for instance.
Bugpowder: how many of these people are even sole proprietor?
Bugpowder: 90% of the buyers don't have a 'business' officially set up
smickles: mircea_popescu: yeah, i have too many deductions
smickles: and because the 'merican tax system is fucked,
smickles: not only did i not pay fed income tax,
pigeons: oh mircea_popescu, i thought for curiouslty you might be interested in the new litecoin global TOS.
mircea_popescu: "The Corporation has zero legal tender exposure in any jurisdiction."
mircea_popescu: heh. i recall the day mpoe-pr turned the tide on the sec panic. i suppose i shall be the only one to recall this.
mircea_popescu: anyway, someone spent a day dilligently hammering c/p'd bits together, i call this progress.
smickles: lol, they have, in their tos, made the "it's not legal tender, so it's not illegal' argument?
pigeons: they are now run by BTC-TRADING, INC and so they changed the TOS to what I linked
smickles: lol, 53 lines into it "We urge you to carefully read the Terms and Conditions of this Agreement and all other policies and disclosure statements referenced here or elsewhere on the website. Such policies are incorporated into this Agreement by reference and collectively form part of this Agreement."
smickles: they wait 53 lines to say that you should read it
pigeons: your litecoins magically become "LITS" when you deposit them
pigeons: in case you thought litecoins were legal tender somewhere
pigeons: burnside is the guy's handle
smickles: i wish gribble reported l3 trust to, labeling it something like 'Tanya down the street\'s rating'
pigeons: anyway, the btc version is in testing,further along than asics
Bugpowder: A lawyer friend was not impressed with the monopoly money SEC defense argument btw...
smickles: do you think that the romanian regulators would see it the same way
smickles: there has to be the law violated, not the precedent of other judgements iirc
smickles: mircea_popescu: where does the file have to be located for your avatar grabber to grab it?
smickles: and what is the code to do that?
mircea_popescu: the page simply lists your avatar as <img src=your_url/avatar.png>
smickles: based off of the website feild or the server of the email field?
mircea_popescu: This is accomplished by selling a true .virtual. ownership interest in the company to investors.
pigeons: does googlebot have to pay the credit fee
smickles: it's worked for as long as I have tried to have it work
pigeons: why does nobody hold title to any inputs?
pigeons: i thought private key of the address was so
smickles: pigeons: the btc was there already, no owner ... as i vaugely recall
smickles: and you don't become the owner by having a priv key associated with a btc
smickles: because you don't control the btc, it stays where it always was?
mircea_popescu: you have the address so you have the control of the sum. that's posession.
smickles: can you have title to something that the state doesn't give title for?
mircea_popescu: do you mean to claim allodial title, as in, you were given it by god ?
mircea_popescu: or else, is it fee simple ? is it from the monarch ? whence do you have it ?
smickles: pigeons: i have title over this domain
smickles: I should scrabble together something at least
pigeons: there is work on using bitcoin as a title system to real word assets also
pigeons: maybe namecoin is better for that casue you can also add values i dont know
mircea_popescu: that the bitcoin protocol may well be used or useful as a record of title is not too relevant in a discussion of actual title to bitcoins
pigeons: yes i see your point mircea_popescu
smickles: Bugpowder: as a shareholder, thankyou
pigeons: does last month's satoshi dice loss come out of any dividends this month?
mircea_popescu: (f)Immediately upon publication of each Statement of Profit and Loss SatoshiDice will pay to shareholders as dividends a fraction of no less than 100% (one hundred percent) of the Net Profits, if any.
pigeons: ok keep playing then a little more please Bugpowder
mircea_popescu: (h)In case of a monthly loss (which will occur occasionally due to the nature of statistical variance of bets), the loss amount will be carried over to the next month’s profits when calculating Net Profits.
smickles: pigeons: the dooglas chart shows that it's been overcome
smickles: (even accounting for the bitcoin friday donation)
mircea_popescu: smickles what's the numbers ? so i don't have to load the forum
mircea_popescu: course... a coupla weeks to go, could do -5000 a day or w/e
mircea_popescu: Upon such sale of stock, the owners, officers, and executives of the selling company obligate themselves with a fiduciary responsibility to the shareholders.
mircea_popescu: jesus christ, people with a thesaurus should stop writing lawyeresque prose.
mircea_popescu: betraying a complete lack of understanding of even the most basic notions.
smickles: mircea_popescu: about 15000 - 8000 - 2000
smickles: total profit nao, total profit at beginning of month, last months loss
smickles: #'s just from eyeballing chart
smickles: oh yeah, tack on a - 400 for the donation
smickles: do you really need to imagine?
smickles: voting power == short term gain is the ultimate goal
smickles: day-over-day, month-over-month, year-over-year
mircea_popescu: moreover, evoorhees would have ended up spending 4k bitcoins in handling the entire process.
mircea_popescu: whoever the fuck thought btc shares should have voting power.
gribble: (ticker [--bid|--ask|--last|--high|--low|--avg] [--currency XXX]) -- Return pretty-printed mtgox ticker. If one of the result options is given, returns only that numeric result (useful for nesting in calculations). If '--currency XXX' option is given, returns ticker for that three-letter currency code. It is up to you to make sure that the three letter code you enter is a valid (1 more message)
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1day: 0.00339944 / 0.00339944 / 0.00339944 (5000 shares, 17.00 BTC), 30day: 0.00180002 / 0.00332998 / 0.0034 (1005363 shares, 3,347.84 BTC)
smickles: shit, thats' ... i was about to say
smickles: looks like my accidentally buying 50 btc worth of shares will pay off
pigeons: oh hey mircea_popescu i know you don't go to the playground anymore, but they mentioned just now in -otc that black lotus ddos mitigation is accepting btc, and forbes is starting to pump them for an ip
pigeons: i want another ticker symbol on mpex, at least for when giga goes away
mircea_popescu: (and yes i lolled at the time glbse was protected by cloudflare)
mircea_popescu: well, but anyway, do they want to list on mpex or what ?
pigeons: i'm just giving your pr chick a lead
pigeons: i'm sure with her people skills they will sign right up :)
mircea_popescu: in other news, israel sites suck worse than bitcoin sites.
mircea_popescu: also, anonymous are fuckwits. defending palestine wtf.
pigeons: oh BL are also using bitpay like wordpress. you need to list bitpay
mircea_popescu: ya, but i think they're tempted to try listing for fiat.
pigeons: well i know someone at bfl you can talk to...
pigeons: ok enough, i'll be here all week
pigeons: waiting for the S.DICE trades to come streaming in
mircea_popescu: make your links active, tho, and use something like WP-Footnotes for footnotes
smickles: pigeons: because I have a massive readership
pigeons: yes you should be careful not to manipulate the market with your clout
mircea_popescu: "This post is a piece of sheer brilliance. A tour de force. Perfect clarity, insightful, no holds barred…priceless."
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16878 @ 0.0005007 = 8.4508 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P200T] 1000 @ 0.88287601 = 882.876 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P190T] 1000 @ 0.78123286 = 781.2329 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P180T] 1000 @ 0.68079643 = 680.7964 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P160T] 1000 @ 0.48605987 = 486.0599 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P170T] 1000 @ 0.58212876 = 582.1288 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P150T] 1000 @ 0.39378654 = 393.7865 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10072 @ 0.0005007 = 5.0431 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23988 @ 0.00050077 = 12.0125 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3890 @ 0.00050089 = 1.9485 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: came back just now, made it a little shorter.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7860 @ 0.00050089 = 3.937 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20562 @ 0.00050094 = 10.3003 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21028 @ 0.000501 = 10.535 BTC [+]
FabianB: mircea_popescu: which drama do you expect to put pressure on the price?
mircea_popescu: like... if bfl accused some compertitor that it broke into their lab and stole their pringles
FabianB: hehe, so why do you expect something like that now?
FabianB: something like that happens all the time it seems, but hard to predict, just like price changes
FabianB: thought you had some insider info ;)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13672 @ 0.000501 = 6.8497 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6928 @ 0.000501 = 3.4709 BTC [+]
JWU42: I see usagi is back
JWU42: or - has been I suppose
JWU42: do't read forums or IRC much anymore
kakobrekla: hi JWU42, welcome back from the dead :p
JWU42: nice to be back - all well?
JWU42: short of giving away far too mcuh BTC to shithead cammers like P and Nef
JWU42: yeah - thankfully i did take those BTC from my P account
JWU42: I am not worried about that frankly
JWU42: but like the single - they said October it ended up being February
JWU42: ASIC might be the same
JWU42: I felt the odds of them hitting October were < 1%
EskimoBob: damn, why isn't there a backup available from Securities forum before this usagi the ass-hat deleted all his posts.
JWU42: Not sure what Josh said to MP - but he and MP are both strong personalities - not suprising they clash from time to time
kakobrekla: build something like 4chan archive for bitcointalke EskimoBob :)
temp_kluge: No guruvan today? Could someone tell him to unblock me on the forum when he comes around? ;)
temp_kluge: Idunno. I just know I can't send him PMs and he did a BDK->BDK.BND exchange a while ago but hasn't filed a claim, yet.
kakobrekla: erryone is fuckin milky shill puppet these days.
EskimoBob: same fuck who uses //// or something like that as a username in btst channel?
JWU42: I am well passed that now MP - but was not fun for a while
JWU42: self induced though - so just disappointed in myself
temp_kluge: (oh - then thanks /// - I did get what you sent on the 14th. Tried calling a week or two ago)
mircea_popescu: most traders worth their salt in the city blew a LOT more than the dollar equiv of a few k btc.
mircea_popescu: EskimoBob kakobrekla has a point. someoneshould archive btctalk
temp_kluge: I pm'd. Not used to web client, but normal clients refuse to connect to Freenode anymore. Using mobile tether for Internet.
temp_kluge: Someone come up with a Bitcoin-like decentralized solution for asset issuance/trading, yet?
smickles: colored coins seem to be proof-of-worky
smickles: and I think i recall one issure switching to them
EskimoBob: btctalk archive is nice but lots of important stuff is missing by now.
mircea_popescu: smickles the big problem, of course, being that with no gatekeepers it'll be glbse v2.0
smickles: it has that risk and likelyhood, certainly
smickles: hopefully there are some diamonds in the rough
EskimoBob: if you have loads of hdd space and access to unlimited bandwidth, even wget can build a archive of bitcointalk.
smickles: hopefully, if it becomes popular, there will be a gatekeeper-cuirator sort out there
smickles: sort've like the BBB in 'merica
smickles: a list of known vetted businesses
mircea_popescu: smickles look at what happens on the threads where scams are called out : a few shils yell loudly
mircea_popescu: as a result a fake sort of public agreement is created, for those foolish enough to credit it.
smickles: it may be possible for a trusted elite to form who judge these things
smickles: well, kakobrekla just opted out of the club
mircea_popescu: he's not married. you have to be married to be in the trusted elite.
kakobrekla: well not what i had in mind but i guess it could work as well
smickles: damn, i think that SudoGhost might have met his match
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21722 @ 0.000501 = 10.8827 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16179 @ 0.00050102 = 8.106 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7521 @ 0.00050102 = 3.7682 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14529 @ 0.00050103 = 7.2795 BTC [+]
pigeons: yeah Ukto's weexchange.co has started testing btc options trading
Lyspooner: hello everyone. has the idea been floated that bitpay bought all those calls on mpex?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4450 @ 0.00050038 = 2.2267 BTC [-]
Lyspooner: not many people can buy that many calls
Lyspooner: because they knew they were about to release the wordpress news
smickles: mircea_popescu: so what are the stats on how many people regularly backup mpex?
mircea_popescu: Lyspooner o right you are, announcement on the 15th huh
Lyspooner: i think it is probably a coincidence
mircea_popescu: then again, i guess it's possible they knew on the 5th or w/e
Lyspooner: did your bot limit them to volume per strike?
mircea_popescu: Nov 05 12:18:09 <assbot> [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C060T] 1000 @ 0.55667391 = 556.6739 BTC [-]
gribble: Nick 'doffx', with hostmask 'Doffx!~doff@c-76-28-215-172.hsd1.wa.comcast.net', is not identified.
gribble: Error: The "GPG" plugin is loaded, but there is no command named "doffx" in it. Try "list GPG" to see the commands in the "GPG" plugin.
Doffx: Oops I suck at this
Doffx: I just want my key info
Doffx: Ahh I need to ident first it seems
gribble: You have not yet rated user doffx
Doffx: There is a way to see my key id ive seen smickles do it before
Doffx: Too lazy to verify even though it takes 5 secs
gribble: User 'smickles', with keyid EA62D7CEB2450C3F, fingerprint 96ACCA7C3B09EC61B0A6D7F9EA62D7CEB2450C3F, and bitcoin address 12NjnZTVeTJ3g5C7BqfS2aQ2rLkmwiqVz6, registered on Mon Jun 20 12:24:35 2011.
http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewgpg.php?nick=smickles . Currently authenticated from hostmask smickles!~smickles@mostofmany.com .
smickles: mircea_popescu: re: those calls, didn't we calc their profit at >13usd?
Doffx: Ahh I was missing the info part, see I was close
thestringpuller: how do you approach them when you aren't a millionaire like yourself?
Doffx: You dont need a million dollars to get women
Doffx: Arent there like a million dating sites now anyhow? Seems like that should make it easy to hook up these days.
Doffx: Ive been married 12 years so dont know what dating is anymore, but before the wife I had no trouble getting women without much money.
mircea_popescu: Doffx dating is this thing whereby women are desperate for male attention and will literally do anything whatsoever.
Doffx: The women I married made about 4 times what I did and still makes double now.
Doffx: That sound like what I remember as well mircea_popescu.
kakobrekla: Furthermore no man could buy more than one woman-cow. < poligamy?
mircea_popescu: well we're discussing culture and norms not what's happening
kakobrekla: so you are theoretical and not practical here
pigeons: i always say, "Hey bahybehy, what high school do you go to?"
mircea_popescu: seeing how it's the context not the message, that may even work.
jurov: gay movement strived once to abolish marriage completely
jurov: then they decided rather to embrace, extend &extinguish
mircea_popescu: i don't really intend to have any in a jurisdiction that has difficulty with the notion that they're mine to kill if it comes to it.
jurov: good luck to find such a jurisdiction
jurov: i guess some people will be enlightened by your decision to not procreate (especially if pr girl has the same opinion)
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller you know, to this day the us won't declare that they won't use nuclear weapons. apparently it is necessary for security.
mircea_popescu: well.. fuck me if i see how you can educate children that know for a fact it can't come to their neck.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18421 @ 0.00050103 = 9.2295 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: that is my stance on the whole nuclear proliferation thing
jurov: how will one learn voluntary contract if one was educated with knife on their neck?
jurov: i see a bit of cognitive dissonance
mircea_popescu: supposed "adults" who grew up with no actual experience of their own death typically behave like overgrown children.
mircea_popescu: ya, jurov baby this is like "please write a 500 word summary of the history of the world - use examples"
Diablo-D3: this is why I dont work on diablominer
Diablo-D3: I ended up writing pretty much all of it
jurov: whatever. my opinion people were always like overgrown children. but there were strong expectations from around society and one had to conform
jurov: now no one gives a fuck
jurov: yes. just that the force is more subtle
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P190T] 1000 @ 0.77867002 = 778.67 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P200T] 1000 @ 0.88032553 = 880.3255 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P170T] 1000 @ 0.579474 = 579.474 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P180T] 1000 @ 0.67819874 = 678.1987 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P160T] 1000 @ 0.48333127 = 483.3313 BTC [-]
smickles: a little, someone was a bit lucky (and bragging about it)
kakobrekla: been searching for some vid for like half an hour
smickles: harsh shit for usagi trying to get back in the game
kakobrekla: i wasnt expecting him to get back under same handle
mircea_popescu: <kakobrekla> i wasnt expecting him to get back under same handle++
smickles: well, mircea_popescu i have about 1/10th of it written, so far, not much time devoted to the writing
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30900 @ 0.00050146 = 15.4951 BTC [+]
jurov: hm, i'm slowly abadoning hope that the glbse passthroughs will ever be resolved
jurov: next option for coinbr seems to buy eurorail ticket and make talks about mpex/coinbr everywhere
jurov: although i'm horrible in convincing people :/
mircea_popescu: <jurov> next option for coinbr seems to buy eurorail ticket and make talks about mpex/coinbr everywher << i like this idea
jurov: hehe... don't happen to have gf, and no one will do that for free
mircea_popescu: a couple years ago i made a contest on my blog. people could comment with their address, get a stack of business card sized stickers
mircea_popescu: then if they sent pictures with them put up somewhere they'd get some moneyz
jurov: i was trying to be a OVB financial agent some 2yrs ago and i realized i'm really horrible at sales
jurov: dunno. i have talked with some of my entrepreneur friends and even got a response like "you look like typical coder, they don't do this... shouldn't you rather find a job?"
jurov: but if that's really an impression i make to ppl... :/
jurov: to have some meaningful volume on coinbr
mircea_popescu: well that's not exactly something for cold calling is it ?
jurov: nor distributing stickers
mircea_popescu: but listen jurov, i think you being or not being a salesman has very little to do with it.
mircea_popescu: it's easy to forget what a horrible time for btc finance we're going through. in the past THREE months pirate, hasking, nefario, harnett and a dozen more idiots raped the innocent public quite raw.
mircea_popescu: i'd be much surprised if fifty of the few hundred/coupla k glbse "investors" are still in the market today.
kakobrekla: im in the market but theres not much to play on really
jurov: on the other hand, i raised 65BTC via btcjam already... that's much more coinbr has ever seen
jurov: so i guess at least some bitcoins are around
kakobrekla: well i have a few 100 btc players since we are talking bout it
jurov: okay, can do. but i suspect something else too. quite a number of peeps registered, but never sent anything
kakobrekla: well i was expressing that in a sad tone. sorry it didnt come through.
temp_kluge: At least, the stupid-wealthy investors appear to be out. I don't think anyone will be offering me 1kBTC without even having terms established for a long while...
temp_kluge: Or maybe they bought in early and everything after making back the $5k they spent to acquire 10kBTC+ was a gamble for amusement.
mircea_popescu: this boggles the mind. do you imagine anyone is giving you money ? why ?
temp_kluge: Soon after Pirate defaulted, I was offered 10kBTC "when" he returns it. No promissory note or anything. People were ridiculously trusting during Pirate's reign.
mircea_popescu: then again, a bunch of idiots had credit at some point, through the sheer blessing of "being there".
temp_kluge: Now, people want to know "what's my money being used for?" "Where's the notarized promissory note?" "Where do you work?" -- you have to actually work for money. :(
temp_kluge: I've had MPOE-PR on ignore since the second time he/she/it PMd me back in something like May.
mircea_popescu: well seeing how the dilemma is troll or idiot, seems hardly worth proving.
pigeons: kakobrekla: is there MT4 for linux?
smickles: mircea_popescu: you've lost the top spot!
smickles: ... to the miami herald political page?
jurov: what are obama, paul and blair doing there?
jurov: bin laden, bush, clinton there too.. veritable who's who
jurov: thatcher isn't there... suspicion confirmed
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27290 @ 0.00050198 = 13.699 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: i still can't quite wrap my head around it, was kludge just here whining about how you have to work to get btc now ?
mircea_popescu: i invested in a few films, but never wihtout knowing the producers
mircea_popescu: <thestringpuller> "I will give you the part for 10 blow jobs" << that;s really not how it works.
mircea_popescu: it's not a count issue. it's a matter of making sure the girl is personable.
mircea_popescu: "Other related people (smickles) are behaving quite good, and we had useful discussions over support email."
mircea_popescu: did they manage to produce an explanation in the end ?
mircea_popescu: why do scammers always behave in this particular manner.
mircea_popescu: o im sorry kakobrekla, were you asking for personable girl url ?
smickles: How am I considering that article of clothing a skirt?
smickles: Maybe it's just a headband, and she's wearing it wrong
mircea_popescu: any belt wider than two inches made of textile material counts as a skirt if around the waist.
mircea_popescu: btw smickles, the thing about blogging is that you always suck at first
mircea_popescu: but if you manage to stick with it for a few years, writing daily or so, you'll notice impressive improvement.
kakobrekla: that last line holds true for most of stuff
mircea_popescu: it does hold true for oral and anal, if you're a girl. anal especially.
smickles: mircea_popescu: did bitvps stop issuing monthly reports?
smickles: their website stop at july, the listing on mpex says that they may also be roported on bitcointalk, but i can't find them
gribble: rg was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 week, 2 days, 1 hour, 12 minutes, and 36 seconds ago: <rg> wow, i guess you showed us.
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell rg <smickles> mircea_popescu: did bitvps stop issuing monthly reports?
smickles: the've kept up on dividends tho
smickles: not yet, it's only been a couple of hours or so
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C130T] 1 @ 0.08387781 BTC [-]
gribble: #11746 Sat Nov 17 17:08:46 2012 smickles SELL 900.0 Trilema Credits @ 0.1 BTC (None)
smickles: they've visited over 200 times in just a couple of days
smickles: " I'd say we got 2 to 4 months tops to do something about the 21 million bit coin cap"
mircea_popescu: So I've decided to get into mining with a couple of decent laptops
smickles: *disclaimer, i'v not, at all, looked into the authenticity of those claims
mircea_popescu: "We will never end poverty if we don't tackle climate change. It is one of the single biggest challenges to social justice today," Kim told reporters on a conference call on Friday.
mircea_popescu: who put those fuckwits there. i don't want to end poverty and i piss on social justice omg wtf
smickles: there is one surefire way to end poverty
mircea_popescu: As the first scientist to head the World Bank, Kim has pointed to "unequivocal" scientific evidence for man-made climate change to urge countries to do more.
mircea_popescu: Kim said 97 percent of scientists agree on the reality of climate change.
smickles: ignore climate change, bake the planet, kill all humans
mircea_popescu: dude, 97% of ppl called "scientist" in the media are monkeys.
mircea_popescu: "the end of human suffering can never be a policy goal because the easiest way to achieve it is to just kill everyone"
☟︎ smickles: woah, man, i'm a bit drunk for that right nao
Namjies: So I get it the common good interest fews...
mircea_popescu: Namjies there is no "common good" other than in the populist discourse.
gribble: Nick 'Namjies', with hostmask 'Namjies!~BTC-Minin@modemcable065.181-83-70.mc.videotron.ca', is identified as user Namjies, with GPG key id F2758D83EEEDE453, key fingerprint F12DE6B4E1EF26F5768BE918F2758D83EEEDE453, and bitcoin address 1Namjies9JeJ4ugCzjkAj6dbaWrtjAFKCk
mircea_popescu: i like the videotron.ca part, he's like a hardcore gamer :D
mircea_popescu: smickles : poincarre gets precedence cause of being french, president and 1800s
smickles: I saw that when we tried to play monopoly, thought it was bad ass just from the form of it (aesthetics)
Namjies: I'm not saying what many you hear ain't bollocks, especially when it comes to "facts" about the environments, people's condition, etc. being easy to check out as false.
mircea_popescu: Namjies how about forcing everyone to move to TOXIC mercury-based lighting under the pretext of "helping the environment"
mircea_popescu: tho it doesn't help it, it just makes poor countries unable to export lightbulbs
mircea_popescu: which were exactly at their technological level, a good stepping stone to development
smickles: at least it's cheaper if they last as long as they claim for the end user
mircea_popescu: "scientists agree". fuck them, 97% of them have nothing to do with science, they just agree and get funding and agree more and get more funding.
smickles: (throw a couple of commas in there will you)
Namjies: Yeah, what I'm saying, not do that if you don't believe it's going to help.
mircea_popescu: they last less, and then they create piles of mercury.
pigeons: plus the light from those toxic cfl things is awful and depressing
Namjies: I'm talking merely about avoiding of negatively impacting people in general when you can and are aware of it.
pigeons: yeah i stocked up on good lightbulbs, i learned my lesson, made a killing on regular flow toliets
Namjies: Well [00:21] <mircea_popescu> who put those fuckwits there. i don't want to end poverty and i piss on social justice omg wtf
smickles: fuckit, screw this planet as hard as we can, we need to get off this rock anyway
mircea_popescu: Namjies i guess so. but i don't want to hurt them either, i just don't want to end poverty. that's all.
mircea_popescu: i am against all action when that action doesn't have a moral and legitimate profit reason.
pigeons: mircea_popescu: yes, where i live about 15 years ago they mandated "low flow" toliets that take 2 flushes, and the old ones are selling for several hundred dollar premiums and i've sold out
Namjies: not the fuckwits, they might well be. Both side tend to exaggerate and pull statistics out of nowhere.
smickles: fear of poverty must motivate some good that wouldn't have otherwise arisin
mircea_popescu: pretty much the only thing i like about romania is that none of this shit took any hold (yet)
mircea_popescu: there's a ban on fillament lightbulbs ? they're sold in the stores. fuck you, eu.
pigeons: yeah in usa regular lightbulbs can't be sold starting some date in the future, i dont know if thats changed or what
Namjies: there's a ban on fillament lightbulbs in Europe?
mircea_popescu: funny enough tho, diesel was at a premium (cause of tanks)
mircea_popescu: The first types to go are non-clear (frosted) bulbs, which are off the market since September 2009. Also from September 2009 clear bulbs over 100W were made of more efficient types. This limit was moved down to lower wattages, and the efficiency levels raised by the end of 2012
pigeons: you mean when there is market intervention there are consequences and unintented consequences?
mircea_popescu: i am currently basking in the light of two 200W clear fillament lightbulbs
mircea_popescu: and actually, inspired by this discussion i think ima buy a few more tomorrow.
Namjies: Well I don't particularly like fillament lightbulbs but heck, I don't see a problem with them.
pigeons: bitbulb.com, coming soon to mpex
mircea_popescu: every time the girl blasts some dubious operation to hell there's a string of bs "attacks" on polimedia
mircea_popescu: like, automated acunetix or w/e it's called that thing
mircea_popescu: can't the script kiddies just get together, compare notes and engage in bro-love instead ?
pigeons: yeah i'm sure the same scan will be looking for cold fusion and asp as well
mircea_popescu: /fain/comercial/..%2f..%2f..%2f..%2f..%2f..%2f..%2f..%2f..%2f..%2fetc%2fpasswd
mod6: clearly a bromosexual
Namjies: You want misfits that have found no better way to spend their lonely time than looking to damage web properties to SOCIALIZE and SHARE thing?
mircea_popescu: Namjies i bet you it's butthurt forum people who figure in their own mind they know shit.
mircea_popescu: the only irritating part is that after they fail they don't consequently get assraped by a velociraptor.
mircea_popescu: this lack of dire consequences for failure is getting on my nerves.
Namjies: No, but seriously, they have to share, or they wouldn't have got their hands on their scripts in the first place.
pigeons: no that isnt important to them, they just add the failures to things to try
mircea_popescu: typical 16yo dickery, except 20 years ago they were telling stories about the women they fucked.
Namjies: It apparently works sometimes.
Namjies: Just not so well when you want to attack a specific server.
pigeons: nope. worked sometimes 10 years ago
mircea_popescu: pigeons i want the old west back. you pull your gun and miss ? you'll be missed.
mircea_popescu: he's right Namjies, i did a piece on it a few days ago. people were trying stuff literally patched in the 2005 edition of asp.net
pigeons: it comes about from not having to have any discretion i think. "oh i'm using some wndows botnet, who cares if i lose it". also oh i'll run a tool from someone cared so little about they made it public, and is used for people who don't care about stealth they are using it on their own servers
mircea_popescu: well ya, and that lack of discretion isn't born out of the complete lack of dire consequences for failure ?
mircea_popescu: once kids realise that the worst that can happen if they say something stupid is nothing at all they can never stop yammering.
Namjies: If you scan at large for machines to hack, I'm sure some guy with a single website on a small machine has not updated since then...
mircea_popescu: i can tell by a few pixels and also the very particular time distribution
pigeons: also they scan for shit from 2001
Namjies: Yeah, well as I said, those scripts don't work so well when you want to attack a specific server.
mod6: Attack Mode: Weaksauce
Namjies: But you know there's a few businesses out there that update their software every 20 years or so. An that's almost not an hyperbole.
mircea_popescu: quick quizz : what profession did Delphaline, aged 17 in the pic go into ?
mod6: It blows my mind that any machine that exists on public IP space currently, and is in a legacy OS setup wouldn't already be compromised.
dub: a lot of it will be old bots cut off from the c&c but still scanning
dub: why wouldnt the bill be paid? server is still sitting there doing its job, its just doing another job too
dub: lost count of how many times I've heard 'we got a security expert in to fix it'
dub: who either did nothign at all or patched the hole but left the infection
Namjies: eheh, old bots, forgotten by their hacker and still in use by the business. That little unkown process just sending odd requests outside.
mod6: haha crap. my laptop batter died -- shutting downmy box ...
dub: I had a box get botted many moons ago via ssh bf and a retarded user
dub: imbarassingly I only noticed because I had too many connections to undernet suddenly
Namjies: I have to play that game again.
dub: tracked it to some romanians
mod6: oh anyway, just saying how there are so many random attacks from bots etc. many winders machines get pwned if not updated on the regular
mircea_popescu: Namjies fallout 1/2 rocked. pity they fucked the franchise later.
Namjies: I had some fun with the Fallout Tactics one but really not the same thing.
dub: xcom: enemy unknown, yeah they've jsut done a new one
dub: one of the best games ever
Namjies: Early 90s? I mostly know of NES games
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21417 @ 0.00050215 = 10.7545 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6478 @ 0.00050218 = 3.2531 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: who the hell is proud of having written MANY lines of code ?
mircea_popescu: if someone told me gcc is eighteen lines i'd be impressed. eighty million... sounds like windoze.
EskimoBob: mircea_popescu: when did this clown started to code?
EskimoBob: he has serious problems adding 2 numbers or getting a simple function right in spreadsheets
EskimoBob: now he is coding a world best web site? SolidCoin was almost as delusional as this guy
jurov: great. i s'pose intersango is next.
jurov: cryptostocks seem to be linked to vircurex, not to cryptoxchange
EskimoBob: and here we go again. another exchange bites the dust. At least people do not get glbsed
jurov: that remains to be seen
EskimoBob: "we will be...." and everyone gets fucked
jurov: dn't you plan to release these 10k of SLOC (not LOC) open source?
jurov: just i am, cause i'm very curious, how such deadly serious business is coded
jurov: there must be some very enterprise-y techniques involved there
jurov: i'd ask average american
jurov: you mean you have a generator of noncorrect answers?
pigeons: usagi what is the difference between LOC and SLOC?
pigeons: do you have a lot of comments usagi?
EskimoBob: LOL, I guess this guy has no idea wtf "process management" is and how to use it
jurov: dunno, this needs some clarification " you know that all the answers which are wrong are false"
pigeons: jurov: have you never read sherlock holmes man?
jurov: you mean the computer can evaluate truthfulness of sentences?
pigeons: i am sure the Schenectady Light Opera Company is thrilled you donated 10k btc
jurov: and you did it alone over a weekend, I s'pose?
pigeons: if the professional coders duplicated it with half as many SLOC would it cost half as much?
pigeons: will you hire me for a per line project?
EskimoBob: using modern tools and actual experience and knowledge of programming, it can be done for 1/10 or less
pigeons: ok, hire me for the most expensive language
pigeons: let's do the same thing but with a different language. Let's try chinese or something
pigeons: oh ok, let's do one that teaches woodworking then
pigeons: how much would you sell your $300,000 program for?
pigeons: i've worked on some big projects, but my part was quite small
pigeons: You should add "in the cloud" to your site. It will be cooler. Learn japanese in the cloud
pigeons: that's great. are they paying?
pigeons: that's the beauty of this system Bob
EskimoBob: how can you teach something you have no knowledge?
pigeons: you just tell it what is false, and the computer figures out the rest
pigeons: usagi: can we use the program to teach karate?
pigeons: usagi what is your first name by the way? Mine is Dan
EskimoBob: usagi: you are right. I am really bad troll. I am actually not even worth the "troll" name
EskimoBob: usagi: no i do not but I can probably shoot you down from 400 meters :)
pigeons: wait i thought you weren't oliver?
EskimoBob: or just kick your ass with one hand
EskimoBob: i did my study of tao with Mr Norris
pigeons: so you post to r.m-a, and people write songs about you, but you aren't the oliver who posts there and people write songs about? which one are you?
EskimoBob: I am a coder. I am writing a fkn cms from 2001, based on 80's code - fkn fabulous, It will be the best karate teaching page on the world
Diablo-D3: is it bigger or smaller than a breadbox?
Diablo-D3: wait, why would anyone name themselves memvola?
EskimoBob: it is better with out wankers like you ;)
Diablo-D3: thats the esperanto word for willing
EskimoBob: and you have been kicked out from multiple forums
Diablo-D3: I AM OLDER THAN THE INTERTUBES ITSELF
pigeons: usagi: were you born female?
Diablo-D3: ACHIEVEMENT UNLOCKED: Persecution Complex
Diablo-D3: pigeons: usagi wasnt born female, you know how I know?
Diablo-D3: no female can resist my manlyness.
EskimoBob: wtf are you blabbering usagi, you promised to leave and do what ever you do when you are not trolling bitcoin community
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24800 @ 0.00050218 = 12.4541 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: <EskimoBob> now he is coding a world best web site? << maybe he's pasting stuff from the interwebs
mircea_popescu: <pigeons> will you hire me for a per line project? << yes. five cents :D
Diablo-D3: wait, what sort of line? java line or perl line?
Diablo-D3: SLOC meansno comments or blank lines
Diablo-D3: doesnt mean I cant use abusively weird formatting though
kakobrekla: >but the most common definition of physical SLOC is a count of lines in the text of the program's source code including comment lines. Blank lines are also included unless the lines of code in a section consists of more than 25% blank lines. In this case blank lines in excess of 25% are not counted toward lines of code.
Diablo-D3: the real sloc method is just using sloccount
pigeons: anyway it would cost professionals $300K to write that many SLOC!
mircea_popescu: ffs srsly, who came up with bragging about this ? the only time sloc/loc is relevant is if you're trying to determine how much old pos code will cost to maintain
pigeons: Diablo-D3: usagi said $300K
kakobrekla: i dont give a fuck im just trying to get payed for excessive commenting.
Diablo-D3: I've done 10k in a fucking weekend
Diablo-D3: people need to learn how the fuck software development works
mircea_popescu: tbh, i prefer the thigh and i don't think i've done fifty lines yet.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7022 @ 0.00050218 = 3.5263 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13628 @ 0.00050219 = 6.8438 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30066 @ 0.00050219 = 15.0988 BTC [+]
temp_kluge: Could someone remind me what the gribble command is to do lastseen? I thought it was ;;lastseen username
temp_kluge: Oh. guruvan hasn't been around in a long while.
temp_kluge: Someone bored and wanna see if they can ssh into 199.27.134.223?
jurov: at leas not port 22
temp_kluge: But I didn't know if it was my mobile tether of 44kbps fucking up or not. :)
temp_kluge: Anyway - that's the address which came up for GLBSE. Maybe Nefario is really worried about the legality of releasing asset info.
jurov: what does it have with ssh?
temp_kluge: Idunno. Futzing around, wondering if Nefario may've left everything wide open to evade liability.
Namjies: Hey, if it was Mad Max, would sound fine, but it's a *MAD* Mad Max
Namjies: Proof: He wants to accept Paypal for a bitcoin casino?!?
mod6: lol first bitcoin casino on the internet my ass
mircea_popescu: btw mod6 there's something i wanted to talk to you about. we could like, make this site right ? except not really a site, more like some servers
mod6: and yeah, .onion bitcoin casinos were pretty awesome in mid-2011, at least playable anyway.
mod6: not just text either, and then seals with clubs
mod6: thats regular intarweb tho
mod6: i used to run a silc server back in the day.
mod6: we all liked it a lot -- its all encrypted by default, etc
mod6: could be an interesting multi-node network or something that could be apart from openprojects
mod6: im not sure it was weak -- per-se...i remember it being based on asymmetric algos
mod6: i'd have to look quick --- haven't looked at it in some time... there might be something better if that's kinda what you were gettin at.
mircea_popescu: The SILC implementation of its own spec is poor in that it is vulnerable to weak authentication which undermines any strong encryption it might have. For example, it is impossible to differentiate between two users whose keys you have verified before. If you verify these two user’s keys, and one of those users decides to impersonate the other one, SILC will happily continue without even mentioning this appalling situ
mircea_popescu: i never used it, but i recall vaguely it was because tech gave it a neg report. this was years ago
mod6: yeah, i guess I was using it like prior to 2004
mod6: anyway, there are other ways if that's the overall goal though
mod6: hhaha, ikr! like 100,000,000 internet years
mircea_popescu: not that i need that much secrecy anyway. da fuck are they gonna expose, my private flirting with internet womenz ?
mod6: haha. i thought perhaps some of the auth stuff could be built into a sortof OTC login model we're doing with gribble...
mod6: i dunno, just a thought of a different way to get everyone auth'd on the same host with their keys without having to rely on a bot or 3rd party app
mod6: food for thought i guess. right now though, it works pretty krad. :]
mod6: yeah, that'll be awesome
mod6: be back in a min here...
pigeons: mircea_popescu: any word from harnett's employers
mircea_popescu: which seems kinda odd. but hey, give them a week or w/e
mircea_popescu: in other news, both cryptoexchange and intersangro are closing, pretty soon we'll be exchangeless at this rate.
Namjies: mircea, somehow, when trying to do a MKOPT, it returns "You need at least 0.00000000 BTC to cover these."
mircea_popescu: Also, fair warning - next week I'll be travelling to Macau, the gambling capital of Asia, to present at a gaming conference. I'll be showing SatoshiDICE to many people, including gambling entrepreneurs and business men.
mircea_popescu: It is possible that certain business deals could happen as a result of this trip. If you were considering buying shares of S.DICE, you may want to do it quickly. Who knows what a rich Macau gambling magnate might think of a system which allows wagering in any amount, from anywhere in the world, anonymously...
Namjies: odd... tells me I need much more than expected
Namjies: isn't put option strike/spot?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36000 @ 0.00050221 = 18.0796 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5222 @ 0.00050225 = 2.6227 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6499 @ 0.00050229 = 3.2644 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8629 @ 0.00050232 = 4.3345 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: so it shouldnt be MUCH more than you expect. maybe a little more
Namjies: gives me 10% extra (excluding 2% fee)
smickles: mircea_popescu: You're going to be the guy presenting sdice to Macau?
mircea_popescu: i'm too old to be going for these tricks, getting arrested in macau and whatnot.
smickles: oh, you were quoting someone then
mircea_popescu: Namjies it wouldn't be a fee tho, the fee is 2%. the collateral oyu get back.
Namjies: eh, sorry, extra collateral
Diablo-D3: but Ive rewritten half of diablominer and modularized the internals
mircea_popescu: Namjies prolly best idea is to do very small bits first, get a good feel of how it works.
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P130N] 214 @ 0.25593421 = 54.7699 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: I can't stop with the satoshidice. That game is evil. I really thought I was going to hit "big" one day. Every time I would hit big, the standard would raise until I lost control. Big became bigger. I was paying every loan off quickly and was satisfied with the profits + 10 to 20btc.
Namjies: I understand how it works...
Namjies: I wasn't aware the collateral was adjusted
pigeons: beta options at weexchange.co are also 10%
Namjies: lol... I had funds loaned to Lurk on BTCJam multiple times
Namjies: I had them all repaid however
mircea_popescu: there kakobrekla, that's 100 btc that won't be repaid.
pigeons: just started, still testing
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla was re Nov 19 00:35:52 <kakobrekla> at least 65 of em
Namjies: Well, at least he's honest about it.
mircea_popescu: he's not even so bad in the hole, coupla hundred btc big deal. he can make that in a month.
Namjies: If he had a job. He's unemployed apparently
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 4860 @ 0.00339922 = 16.5202 BTC [-]
Namjies: There's nice PUT bids right now
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 8500 @ 0.00339922 = 28.8934 BTC [-]
Namjies: Many 5-15% margin on PUTs for next month
Namjies: With the reward halving coming up
Namjies: There's thousands of bids for puts with 0.05 - 0.15 BTC over their current execution value
Namjies: A good net against a price drop and if price stay stable or raises with reward halving, the margin could increase.
Namjies: Well honestly, I'd always feel much safer going with selling PUTs for over their execution price
Namjies: price sometimes drop but eh
mircea_popescu: selling puts is a pretty reasonable way to protect yourself if you have $ and want btc.
mircea_popescu: (if the price drops you lose on the puts but can buy the btc cheaper. if not you make btc)
mircea_popescu: which actually i guess is a position many people are in.
Namjies: I don't see why those PUT bids stay around for so long
Namjies: On another note, apparently, bASIC is shipping...
mircea_popescu: "An estimated 84 percent of coinstar users are women". Not going to comment on this one.
Namjies: That people don't sell into them. I barely see any volume.
mircea_popescu: Nov 18 22:02:22 <assbot> [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P200T] 1000 @ 0.88032553 = 880.3255 BTC [-]
Namjies: But not much compared to all the bids available
Namjies: especially for the ones expiring next month
mircea_popescu: in fact the situation this month where calls got wiped is singular, never happened before.
Namjies: About qualifying Bitcoin as a ponzi because it advantages early adopters.
mircea_popescu: lol. fucking hell, when you'rte born people already have dollars
Namjies: Has anyone brought the stocks arguments yet? With example such as the $10000 Microsoft stake bought at IPO example?
mircea_popescu: i don't think many people give two shits about wikipedia
Namjies: But in any case, the article says Bitcoin has been accused of being a ponzi... not that it meets the definition of a ponzi.
Namjies: Which is, technically, very true.
mircea_popescu: well by this measure Bush was accused of being a reptillian
Namjies: I don't see any problem with that saying.
Namjies: You can say something is anything, and then go around saying that something has been accused of that anything.
Namjies: The accusation is a fact. If what you're accused of is true is not a fact.
mircea_popescu: ya well not all this spam is worth the mention i'd think.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17171 @ 0.00050232 = 8.6253 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8674 @ 0.0005024 = 4.3578 BTC [+]
pigeons: lol at people telling the compulsive gambler he should try willpower and what he needs to do is "just say no"
smickles: ^ re: < Namjies> Has anyone brought the stocks arguments yet? With example such as the $10000 Microsoft stake bought at IPO example?
smickles: < pigeons> your pumping is working << naw, if anyone one it was me :P
smickles: eh, not really, but remember i pointed out teh 1% gain possible
thestringpuller: i'm gong to make a bitcoin money laundering service called bitlaundry
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: is there any point in buying options if there isn't a big swing
thestringpuller: for instance if you buy puts as insurance to doing business with btc
thestringpuller: so if you're selling some product Y for bitcoins, and you expect the price to drop, you buy puts
thestringpuller: so what if you expect the price to not move much you sell an option?
mircea_popescu: if you expect the price to go up significantly, you buy a call.
mircea_popescu: if you expect the price to go down significantly, you buy a put.
mircea_popescu: if you expect the price to NOT drop significantly you sell a put
mircea_popescu: if you expect the price to NOT go up significantly you sell a call.
thestringpuller: thanks for explaining mircea_popescu, i feel as though I'm one of the ignorant kids sometimes
thestringpuller: un blod de mircea_popescu is being used as a reference for my research paper
jurov: coinbr will have "options advisor" someday
jurov: right after the "navigating the waters of btc securities safely" motto right below the mermaid
jurov: thebigheart, originally for mpex
jurov: as everyone knows, sirens are the symbol of safe navigation :P
jurov: yea, have hard time to decide between tits and boobs
mircea_popescu: i was thinking, what a genius move. buy aapl in btc, six months later aapl is -40% in usd, the usd is -50% in btc... you've made a great investment
thestringpuller: or just do puts on aapl right as they announced the iphone 5
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39349 @ 0.0005024 = 19.7689 BTC [+]
gribble: Estimated time of bitcoin block reward halving: Thu Nov 29 04:58:28 2012 UTC | Time remaining: 1 week, 2 days, 6 hours, 30 minutes, and 0 seconds.
jurov: i suspect mpex will celebrate it by finally raising the fee to 50btc
mircea_popescu: on the long term you're better of buying an acct now than later
jurov: no, it's just ponzi, ya know
thestringpuller: if i was an industrialist I would be idle during the day and batman at night
dub: I here ponzi? or Here I ponzi
thestringpuller: send me money so I can send overpriced stamps to my family back in europe
dub: wtf is this .co I keep seeing
dub: and why does its 'nic' have invalid ssl cert
jurov: Every asset issuer receives a daily email showing who is holding their assets. This allows them to move their virtual operation off the site to anywhere else they might choose.
pigeons: really depends on your definition of invalid.
jurov: The use of this site is for educational and entertainment purposes only.
jurov: ^^^they say it themselves
pigeons: i mean regarding dub. the ssl cartels and browser makers' definition of valid isn't the only valid one
Namjies: Well, anyone wishing to sell F.GIGA.ETF before they get delisted at the end of December?
mircea_popescu: pigeons why use their certs if you don't agree with their definitinos ?
pigeons: i don't use their certs for issuer trust
Namjies: You have to use the same thing, except browsers will warn users about your self-issued certificate.
mircea_popescu: listen to me. today some lawyer guy i work with sometimes asked me a bunch of q's about bitcoin
mircea_popescu: i went to the wiki in the browser and firefox popped the warning
Namjies: Firefox doesn't pop me the warning...
Luceo: But if its going to use it, why not get a StartSSL cert or PositiveSSL for $10?
pigeons: well for one cause you login to edit, so your credentials can be stolen, for another for privacy
mircea_popescu: Namjies i agree, in plenty of browsers it works fine. but why cut out a fraction ?
Luceo: I mean fuck, I'll donate the $10
mircea_popescu: pigeons come on, privacy. what's private ? it's a wiki.
Luceo: And they can get a Comodo cert
Luceo: Login details are private
dub: I dont want my employer reading my wiki vandalisation
mircea_popescu: people will get bored with hacking linode and will start hacking wiki accts.
pigeons: if you trust the fingerprint of the cert its not broken. i dont trust any comodo certs
pigeons: only things you think should be private should be private?
Luceo: Comodo certs are fine
mircea_popescu: pigeons should everything be encrypted just because it can ?
Luceo: They work in all major browsers and all major mobile browsers
Namjies: so are self-issued certificates...
mircea_popescu: this is like being in favour of driving wherever possible.
Luceo: Just dont understand not spending $10 on a cert
pigeons: mircea_popescu: it is a valid stance. why cant they offer ssl? why cant people use it?
dub: because security derp
pigeons: i dont understand spending anything on a fucking comodo cert
Luceo: OK, get a geotrust one then...
Namjies: Browsers should not pop such a warning for self-issued certificates. Really sends the wrong message to users.
Luceo: It's irrelevant which issuer you use as long as they're a valid root CA
pigeons: I decide which CAs are valid
Luceo: Whatever the browser moguls are supporting right now
Luceo: Disclosure: I'm a Comodo reseller :P
pigeons: and i decide none of them are. i trust individual fingerprints. yes there are challenges to that, but we're working on them. al ot better already than using networks solutions or comodo
dub: all this is ireelevant anyway
dub: shoot the system monkey that got it wrong, load another from spares
Luceo: Well, I think the wiki is better off accomodating the majority of its users than a few fringes who have a personal issue with CAs :/
pigeons: well i think the wiki shouldt cater to the few fringes who have an issue with centralized currency
Luceo: If you can show that most of those people have an issue with root CAs I'll be happy to defer
mircea_popescu: jesus i didn't realise pigeons had such strong feelings on the subject
jurov: on frontpage there's software on download, better download it over ssl
jurov: although it's rather weak argument
jurov: one should check checksum instead
mircea_popescu: afaik the acct hacking isn't a big deal. does anyone know ?
pigeons: have you seen the woikipedia attack where people figure out what you are looking at by some sort of checksum of the returned encrypted page based on comparing it to the db dumps?
dub: because some assclown like gengix set it up probably
dub: end all further discussion of why it may or may not be retarded
Luceo: .it is less likely to be confiscated I expect
jurov: whois says "Christoph Glitsch"
pigeons: "Christoph Glitsch" owns about11,430 other domains
Luceo: I dunno, it was probbaly set up during last year when all the shit was going down about BTC being investigated because of SR
Luceo: A lot of people were paranoid last year
mircea_popescu: but i fail to see the argument. the italians are way in the top of retarded
pigeons: no it was ther ebefore last year
Luceo: They're also way in the top of not giving a shit about the Internet :P
pigeons: i bet it has more to do with christoph glitch will register you a domain and keep your identity private, so long as you use an .it and yeah that doesnt explain why not wiki.bitcoin.org but maybe some people didnt get along
smickles: < mircea_popescu> but i fail to see the argument. the italians are way in the top of retarded << remember the google employees going to jail b/c some kid posted a vid on youtube of a mentally ill kid being bullied?
mircea_popescu: i also remember some scientists on trial cause they didn' predict an earthquake
smickles: they do give a shit about the internet sometimes then
smickles: oh, lol, yeah, i'd forgotten the earthquake thing
pigeons: louisiana ain't so bad. mississippi now...
smickles: biloxi/gulfport is kinda nice tho
smickles: just avoid the jefferson davis tourist trap
pigeons: morgan freeman wouldnt be so cool if he wasn' ttrying to get away from shitty mississippi
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16827 @ 0.0005024 = 8.4539 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5373 @ 0.00050249 = 2.6999 BTC [+]
smickles: i can install steam on my compy, and it shows it working, but a message pops up and says i'm not part of the beta
Azelphur: smickles: allow me to educate you
Azelphur: smickles: in terminal, steam steam://install/440
smickles: no fuckin way, just use the game id?
Azelphur: it's only been that you could install tf2 for a few minutes now
Azelphur: so that may be a bug and revoked
Azelphur: but you could always get into the beta client itself (just not install steam) since the beginning
Azelphur: I've been in the official beta since the beginning near enough
Namjies: Did you know you can unlock or relock any steam achievement too?
Azelphur: you need to run that with steam closed
pigeons: yeah thats the normal message if you're not in the beta
smickles: it's steam steam://install/440
Namjies: You played for almost 7 decades on EACH class. Interesting.
Namjies: 596523.2 hours of play time on each class.
smickles: even if it did, mp isn't allowed to release more than 50%
mircea_popescu: well moreover nobody on mpex can sell more than 50% exactly because shares can't vote.
mircea_popescu: none of that glbse shit with people running companies where they sold 10k shares and have 100 of their own
jurov: like, mircea is to allow hostile takeover? hahaha
pigeons: mircea says hostyle, doggystyle, any style will do
thestringpuller: the stock zuckerberg owns, has like 2-3x the votes as a normal stock bought on the market
jurov: well, if you so crave shares with voting rights, i can privately issue some for coinbr :P
thestringpuller: I secretly want to find a millionaire and buy all the MPOE stock and vote mircea out
midnightmagic: outstanding stock has to be 1) purchasable, and 2) outside of mircea's control to be sold, and 3) voting shares under some kind of structure.
midnightmagic: I suspect since he has technical control of the market, even if the company were a company with proper voting shares, mircea could just physicall halt the sale.
mircea_popescu: the reason it's set up like this is exactly that i don't want to create this possibility where something's due but unenforceable.
midnightmagic: I mean who knows, maybe MPOE doesn't even have transferrable shares.
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: I literally have no idea at all how you've set up MPOE. As far as I've seen, it's just a sandbox on your webserver that's fun to play with.
thestringpuller: you should put up collateral, if your business is based on a website the bot controllig the exchange should have access to that site
mircea_popescu: honestly i think the nyse is a lot less real rthan mpex atm. all that bs free money, all those algo trades...
midnightmagic: Oh am I naming it incorrectly? Is it MPEX or MPOE?
mircea_popescu: MPOE = mircea popescu's options emporium (the old options trading page)
mircea_popescu: gee whiz, i have my own glossary. i shall name it mpgloss!
thestringpuller: I'm going to trademark all these MP** and not license the trademark to you
mircea_popescu: prolly get a kickback from the trademark office, you pay 1-2k to them, i change the name.
mod6: haha. i used to have cox i think ... it was either that or Charter? out there in tucson
mod6: looks like that is probably las vegas?
smickles: and thestringpuller, good luck getting even 4% of s.mpoe
mod6: lol. UofA is a pretty good school actually.. the real party school is ASU
smickles: My mom was vp of accounting at cox at one point in time
smickles: i'm sure ther's a joke in there
smickles: they moved her to marketing later on tho, i dunno why
mod6: vircurex didn't ever allow exchange of buttcoins i see
mod6: just about everything else though
mod6: oh hey, i finally watched the '65 version of Doctor Zhivago -- it was pretty great actualy
mod6: I forgot how in older movies that many of the credits are in the beginning of the movie.
mod6: i read all these classic type books over the last four to five years -- i was talking with mircea about it a while ago
mod6: kinda lead me to watch the old 65 version of that movie. was worth the 3 hours, it did the novel justice... which of course is fantastic
Namjies: Space Travel Guide: Did you know Muricans are naturally so round and fat you don't need any oil to cook them into fried meatballs?
Namjies: Ensuing abductions and missing people throughout America
Namjies: Well sometimes keeping it stupid simple makes a lot of sense.
Namjies: I don't see much logical reasons "aliens" would do most of what some people claim.
Namjies: Well... it wouldn't make a lot of sense for such advanced species to do such things.
Namjies: Being advanced enough to visit us, they'd probably have zero interest in meddling with us or the Earth.
Namjies: But the nonsense spawned many great games tho.
jurov: of course. like white men have zero interest in meeddling with indigenous rainforest tribes.
Namjies: No, I meant, if you're technologically advanced, you're probably going to be able to use solar power to constantly recycle the same matter before being able to travel efficiently between stars
Namjies: Which kinds of destroy the whole need to go exterminate indigenous races and take their planet
Namjies: There's enough brute resources (basic elements) everywhere not to care about Earth.
Namjies: There's even that movie where they abduct people and take their brains out to place them into biounits to serve as processors. How pretentious is that of us? They need our brains!
jurov: i hope so. but still, while like, 99,99% of us can go by without mahogany wood or ivory
jurov: the few who do not, cause some havoc
dub: not to mention tiger penis
Namjies: Oh right... What did Futurama tell us? Ah yes, human trunks are excellent aphrodisiacs.
jurov: that's not necessary
Namjies: If they're still going after such senseless things, I'll call out how a miserable failure their society is before harvesting me.
jurov: an equivalent of donald trump who bulldozed unique nature reservation on scotland
jurov: for his golf course
Namjies: Why would aliens do such things specifically on Earth?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25250 @ 0.00050249 = 12.6879 BTC [+]
jurov: why would trump build his cours especifically there? just because
Namjies: They could basically produce/multiply anything anywhere in outerspace.
dub: I think this might be the most retarded conversation ever
Namjies: But trump had to put it somewhere on Earth because it's not feasible to just put things in space.
Namjies: No need to harvest humans or mine Earth or take the space on Earth.
jurov: usually they make golf courses on wasteland cause they need lots of chemicals to upkeep, he did not have to put it there
dub: its the same reason china extincts an animal because they think eating its penis has medicinal benefits when it doesnt
Namjies: Maybe the place was close and just nice looking...
jurov: Yes. Earth is quite a nice looking place, too
dub: with any luck aliens will come here and harvest both china and donald trump
jurov: or become addicted to a maple syrup, did you read that?
dub: that aliens are addicted to maple syrup?
jurov: (John Ringo's Live Free or Die book)
Namjies: If they get addicted to maple syrup they can probably just copy it indefinitly at home...
Namjies: Instead of taking the few that's available on Earth
Namjies: Open harvesting of the maple trees is probably super inneficient too...
jurov: that probably falls into that mahogany/ivory argument, too. we do have decent synthetic replacements,.
Namjies: I meant they can probably make a 100% identic replica with an error of less than 1 atom.
dub: now you're just being silly
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 777 @ 0.00050249 = 0.3904 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14929 @ 0.0005025 = 7.5018 BTC [+]
smickles: Azelphur: did you have to update your drivers or anything like that?
smickles: Azelphur: which way did you have to do it?
Azelphur: I did it with jockey like it tells me to :P
Azelphur: smickles: I actually had it running on my AMD netbook on the open source drivers
Azelphur: if you have a decent card, it may well run at a decent fps using open
smickles: oh lol, my install doesn't give me the open option /me just noticed
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29900 @ 0.00050223 = 15.0167 BTC [-]
dub: smickles: that is an unbelievably dull drama
dub: doyouevenlift84 should certainly remain banned
smickles: dub: heh, that giftube link is a 'reliable source'
smickles: oh, and it's wikipedia, i don't expect the drama to be much better than that
dub: 14 year olds can be fun
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10769 @ 0.0005025 = 5.4114 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36800 @ 0.00050252 = 18.4927 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1831 @ 0.00050257 = 0.9202 BTC [+]
dub: mircea_popescu: you should collect a bounty to make a film of yourself delivering flowers to nefario
mircea_popescu: by means of affixing forgivemenots to my cock and having him lick them off ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18800 @ 0.00050257 = 9.4483 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6096 @ 0.00050257 = 3.0637 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12598 @ 0.00050257 = 6.3314 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23706 @ 0.00050259 = 11.9144 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13415 @ 0.00050259 = 6.7422 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18585 @ 0.00050267 = 9.3421 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 915 @ 0.00050267 = 0.4599 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41918 @ 0.00050268 = 21.0713 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2132 @ 0.00050268 = 1.0717 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1502 @ 0.00050268 = 0.755 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1000 @ 0.00050234 = 0.5023 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 150 @ 0.00339922 = 0.5099 BTC [-]
guruvan: my wifi is working - that's pretty good news EskimoBob :D
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31750 @ 0.00050255 = 15.956 BTC [+]
EskimoBob: I guess guruvans wifi was "almost working" :)
EskimoBob: no, I did not tell him that because he is actually releasing the sh info
EskimoBob: 4 eq's got it last night and 4 will be released today and so on
EskimoBob: and hi promised to update his blog too.
PsychoticBoy: ok so if I understand this correctly, he delays it again with months if he only gives info to 4 ppl each day
EskimoBob: PsychoticBoy can you sign it over to me? :)
EskimoBob: I'll use your billions for good deeds only
PsychoticBoy: I should have kick him in the nuts when I had the chance in London
PsychoticBoy: Public James McCarthy Hitman rental pool: 19R1QWDSEYN8X3yLdJPpSbwnR8Ka3LEFxP JOIN JOIN JOIN
jurov: no ssh port open , tho :/
Temp_Kluge: Assuming it was already said here, too -- Nef apparently released at least partial asset info to giga, so maybe there's a shot.
Temp_Kluge: Hopefully it's not just a list of people who filed a GLBSE claim and ticked the "send to Issuer" box.
EskimoBob: fkn usagi is following me around the forum like a sick pervert.
EskimoBob: he probably wrote 33000 lines of code to get the alert
EskimoBob: kakobreklaaa: me poking this shitbird was really nothing. He got his ass kicked by multiple people and multiple time
EskimoBob: because he kept fucking up and ling over and over
gigavps: why all the hostility in the channel
gigavps: PsychoticBoy is a little upset
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21900 @ 0.00050237 = 11.0019 BTC [-]
PsychoticBoy: yuuuuuuuuup I am upset, some ppl think they can do whatever they want with others property
Luceo: Who's James McCarthy?
EskimoBob: Luceo: man who glbse'd you and others for a month or more
jurov: gigavps, i hope you don't rave prematurely
jurov: wait till you get really everytihng
EskimoBob: now, if someone can squeeze that scumbag Trendon and make the BTC flow back to us...
EskimoBob: if not, hang this fucker and end it for good
gigavps: jurov i'm not raving about anything
gigavps: this whole mess is just beginning
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10500 @ 0.00050237 = 5.2749 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19750 @ 0.00050255 = 9.9254 BTC [+]
smickles: 13:11 < EskimoBob> no, I did not tell him that because he is actually releasing the sh info
smickles: 13:11 < EskimoBob> 4 eq's got it last night and 4 will be released today and so on
smickles: 13:11 < EskimoBob> he can do up to 4 issues per day
jurov: no, just nmap requires it
smickles: mircea_popescu: sudo is a command to run a command as root, if you have the permission to use it
mircea_popescu: By 1927, only the richest 2% of taxpayers paid any federal income tax
Namjies: So... apparently, nefario started to send out asset lists...
Namjies: Mircea, you might actually have to find someone to buy ASICMINER shares from.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10900 @ 0.00050268 = 5.4792 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10198 @ 0.00050268 = 5.1263 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20600 @ 0.00050272 = 10.356 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11852 @ 0.00050272 = 5.9582 BTC [+]
dub: <gigavps> this whole mess is just beginning
dub: science comes to -assets
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1098 @ 0.00050272 = 0.552 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10252 @ 0.00050278 = 5.1545 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11348 @ 0.00050278 = 5.7055 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5052 @ 0.00050278 = 2.54 BTC [+]
Ukto: I was looking back on GLBSE's pricing.. "Sell fee rate, paid by seller: 0.5%" && "Buy fee rate, paid by seller: 0.5%" Couldn't that have just be written as "1% Fee paid by seller on instant orders" ?
Ukto: It just seems kinda messed up way to do it
dub: really? glbse did something stupid? surely not!
dub: be careful with these accusations, you wouldnt want to ruin nefario's reputation!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10198 @ 0.00050278 = 5.1274 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6102 @ 0.00050282 = 3.0682 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16200 @ 0.00050282 = 8.1457 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BVPS] 3300 @ 0.00280004 = 9.2401 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18798 @ 0.00050282 = 9.452 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21100 @ 0.00050287 = 10.6106 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6592 @ 0.00050288 = 3.315 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15900 @ 0.00050288 = 7.9958 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6328 @ 0.00050262 = 3.1806 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24797 @ 0.00050247 = 12.4597 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3458 @ 0.00050288 = 1.739 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6400 @ 0.00050289 = 3.2185 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17895 @ 0.000503 = 9.0012 BTC [+]
Guest26114: any idea why this happens? its me mod6:
Guest26114: (14:18) [freenode] (!) Nick mod6 is temporarily unavailable
Guest26114: i re-auth'd with nickserv.. but i can't seem to /nick mod6 successfully
Guest26114: (14:22) -NickServ(NickServ@services.)- mod6 is not online.
Guest26114: ok, i'll just disconnect and reconnect.
Guest26114: i totally didn't even know I wasn't auth'd then boom
jurov: ;;rate mircea_popescu 4 "has coolest btc enterprise and is really helpful"
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 4 for user mircea_popescu has been recorded.
jurov: i completely forgot i didn't rate you yet
mod6: yeah, its all good. i forgot about the nickserv 'release' command
mod6: it was like, your 30 seconds are up mod6. *BLOOOOOP*
mod6: im glad some of us are good this irc thing
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19750 @ 0.00050281 = 9.9305 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 126 @ 0.000503 = 0.0634 BTC [+]
mod6: i was like, "Ummmm"
mod6: RELEASE MY NICK?! WAIT DID SOMEONE TRY TO HAXoR ME?!
smickles: mircea_popescu: still no word from rg/grubles
mod6: err, nm... anyway. I also made a #BitOTTer channel for technical discussion
mod6: i figure, it'll keep my spam out of these trade channels :]
mod6: well, i've been workin on it quite a bit.
mod6: kinda not so ciked about the way this KeyStore thing is working out
mod6: or at least, its been a bit harder than I expected. i've done a bunch and it now creates a keystore (or loads an existing one)
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C120T] 2 @ 0.12 = 0.24 BTC [-]
mod6: basically takes a PublicKey and PrivateKey and stores them in a KeyPair object, when then can be used to create an X509 cert that can be then inserted and extracted from the KeyStore itself.
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P120T] 31 @ 0.09208812 = 2.8547 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3579 @ 0.000503 = 1.8002 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22072 @ 0.000503 = 11.1022 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2649 @ 0.00050303 = 1.3325 BTC [+]
mod6: anyway... its all technical stuff basically but... im having a hard time getting the private key back out for use
mod6: many examples show how to makes this work, but not anylonger because the main way to do this is now deprecated
mod6: lol, joke is on mod6
mod6: so... im kinda thinking, this is way to much effort for just a first release, can I not just use a symmetric key algo to enc the privkey on the local filestore?
mod6: then just decrypt into memory when needed, but never writing it to disk.
mod6: haha, see. its all good kakobreklaaa you don't need to worry.
mod6: just some technical bs about my bikeshed
mircea_popescu: anyone wants to bet there will be > 100 new btc/fiat exchange websites in 2013?
mircea_popescu: mod6 i guess you could, as long as the user knows about this.
mircea_popescu: heck, the original wallet.dat was plaintext for > 1 year.
jurov: mod6, bitcoinspinner does not encrypt the keys at all
mod6: right on. no matter what happens, I'll make sure the PrivateKey ring file will be protected
jurov: and upon pointed to it, Jan proposed to have two keys on paper backup and alternate them
mod6: jurov: hmm! i didn't know that. they really should be just to save a guy if his device gets stolen or hacked.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12251 @ 0.00050303 = 6.1626 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21349 @ 0.00050304 = 10.7394 BTC [+]
mod6: I wanna make sure that if anyone uses BitOTTer that they know their key they put on the device is safe at lesat if the device is stolen or hacked
jurov: i started to be interested cause my phone got back from warranty prepair with completely replaced mobo
mod6: i have a screen now where the user goes in and sets the private key for the KeyStore, etc. but now I think I'm just gonna make that be the symmetric key for like AES or something
mod6: i've already got a java one written actually. heck, its even open source.
mod6: everything will be well documented in BitOTTer so the users will know what they are setting and what stuff means in the application
mod6: this will take some time, but I want to get this into the hands of a few people who'd like to test it before the end of the year.
mod6: its really getting close. i don't wanna let this damn keystore hold me back when I can just use something else.
mod6: anyway guys, I gotta run along to something else quick. i'll try to save the elaborations on that for #BitOTTer in the future. thx.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16901 @ 0.00050304 = 8.5019 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34556 @ 0.00050312 = 17.3858 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: <jurov> and upon pointed to it, Jan proposed to have two keys on paper backup and alternate them << lol that one's good
mod6: ok. to be a bit more spacific, and the documentation will reflect this... i'll encrypt the private key on the local file store.
mod6: the users PGP PublicKey and MPEx PublicKey can stay as they are. no need to do anything with those at all.
mod6: the code can read them in either keyring format or ascii armor'd output format
mod6: yeah, im not sure whatever Jan or whomever was talking about. just want to be clear about that I'm doing :)
mod6: hmmm... well, this wont be a 6 digit pin like that
mod6: what I was thinking about using is currently a class that implements 256bit AES
mod6: use that... maybe in a future release i can get the keystore thing working better, or change it so the user might be able to select from a variety of different algos to use
jurov: you want to improve over gpg passphrase? how?
mod6: huh? i think we misunderstand eachother
mod6: i don't want to replace the gpg passphrase... im saying that the user can set a seperate passphrase to encrypt the unencrypted privatekey file on the filestore
jurov: you may find useful to look into KeePass code than
mod6: then when the user goes to trade, they'll need to enter their passphrase to decrypt the encrypted private key stored on the file system so the application can decipher the return tx statements from mpex
mircea_popescu: jurov i think maybe what he means is, have a sluttysally and a properpolly code.
mircea_popescu: you usually keep the slut loaded, but periodically load the safe one and move coins there
mod6: im using spongy castle to read in the PGP keys, I then have to convert them to be able to use them outside of its context, it gets hairy
mod6: yeah, in this situation that im setting up for the user, the user will have to do this: 1) copy the 3 pgp keys onto the device
mod6: 2) start BitOTTer and enter the path's to the keys.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16838 @ 0.00050312 = 8.4715 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18162 @ 0.00050313 = 9.1378 BTC [+]
mod6: 3) set the seperate password for the private key
mod6: 3a) encrypt private key and save output to localfile store
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22238 @ 0.00050313 = 11.1886 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9712 @ 0.00050314 = 4.8865 BTC [+]
mod6: 4) notify the user to delete unencrypted private key file
mod6: or the user could do it if so desired
mod6: i could write that in also... anyway. then the key will be safe... at least it'll be encrypted if the device is hacked/stolen
jurov: that means two mpex accts?
mod6: and then you can say, "THANKS MOD6!" instead of "FUUUUUUUUU MOD6!"
mod6: nope. just your 1 regular account.
jurov: what? we're talking about bitotter now, no?
mod6: currently to trade @ mpex you must be able to clearsign,and enrypt a message - decryption is helpful too!! - this requires the 3 keys I was talking about
mircea_popescu: anyway, mod6 : all this effort is not misplaced. I expect as bitcoins catch momentum that iphones/etc will be stolen for the btc content, much like wallets today
mod6: oh for sure. it'll be risky to probably keep any large amts on a mobile device
mod6: and your MPEx private key should be vastly important to you -- so trying to give the user a layer of extra protection
mod6: what i have code for now, and was trying to make work successfully was getting these three keys into a KeyStore for use as needed
mod6: but... hitting some issues with getting the private key back out -- hopefully I can whip up something different.
mod6: then put out that alpha release I've been talking about for forever. once that happens, I can get some feed back from all the users and make good changes based upon feeback
jurov: yes, i appreciate that effort too
mod6: its been a lot of fun coding it.
jurov: and do you have some business model, too?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3618 @ 0.00050314 = 1.8204 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14732 @ 0.00050315 = 7.4124 BTC [+]
jurov: like, paid app with some extras
mod6: Well, I had been wrestling with this for a while, but what I thought would be a good idea was if people use me for the referal program at MPEx, they can get BitOTTer to download and also save some on the MPEx registration as I'll kick them back 2.5 BTC
mod6: at least that was what was planned a while ago. I want to kinda get a alpha/beta program going
jurov: of course, but it's necessary to collect ideas. i'd also suggest scripting ability for paid version
mod6: sounds neat, but i'm not sure how you mean.
mod6: like atomated trades?
mod6: I see... very exciting feature to be implemented for sure.
mod6: I plan to add charting and graphing and all kinds of neato stuff actually.
mod6: I honestly hope to turn BitOTTer into a fulltime thing if all goes well.
jurov: or at least periodic fetching of new transactions and notifying the user
mod6: im so excited for the JSONSTAT cmd, thats the only other thing I need to implement really.
mod6: just a screen that displays the results from that
mod6: and then we have a first release. much more to go from there, but it'll allow a user to trade, send commands and see the VWAP and Depth
mod6: i'll be stoked to use it from the car, or wherever. have you ever seen an MPEx trade fly by on twitter and wish you were home to but in a bid? lol
mod6: thanks for your input jurov
mod6: i'm gonna run and grab some foodz0r
jurov: you're welcome. while i just login to coinbr and do stuff, having app would be nice.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19600 @ 0.00050309 = 9.8606 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: mod6 in principle having a programmable bot with preset and also configurable strategies could be a nice add-on
mod6: sure..i see what you're getting at. these are great things, looking forward to talking about that more as the time comes.
mircea_popescu: just letting you know that you're gonna be working on this well into 2015 lol
mod6: haha, thats awesome.
jurov: hehe yes.. and don't let your gpg keys expire :P
mod6: haha, i set mine to expire in ...
mod6: haha, i'll have to change the expiration or whatever, no big deal
mod6: i guess in the past i've had other pgp keys, i think they just expired and I made new ones...
mod6: oh ok, I'll just have to make a new acct then.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4700 @ 0.00050309 = 2.3645 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17068 @ 0.00050315 = 8.5878 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30650 @ 0.0005032 = 15.4231 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16612 @ 0.00050329 = 8.3607 BTC [+]
jurov: 50btc for a new acct may be a worry for some people
jurov: but not for us by 2014. i wholeheartedly agree.
mod6: yeah, mine expires in august of 2014
mod6: yeah, to be honest, i actually meant to make a new one like 50x before it went up to 30.
mod6: i just haven't because i guess i didn't wanna step on my own toes.
mod6: but my lazyness has cost me 1bn satoshi's
mod6: DONT LET THIS HAPPEN TO YOU, SIGN UP NAO
mod6: i better get one tonight and heed my own advice.
mod6: mircea_popescu: don't raise it before later tonight lol
mod6: ok cool. im gonna get some food. bbl
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17388 @ 0.00050329 = 8.7512 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12512 @ 0.00050334 = 6.2978 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1660 @ 0.00050334 = 0.8355 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29314 @ 0.00050348 = 14.759 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: offered in july 2011 for 100 btc, still for sale in nov 2012 for... 100btc
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2686 @ 0.00050348 = 1.3523 BTC [+]
Namjies: mircea_popescu, read my earlier comment?
Namjies: [12:53] <Namjies> So... apparently, nefario started to send out asset lists...
Namjies: [12:57] <Namjies> Mircea, you might actually have to find someone to buy ASICMINER shares from.
Diablo-D3: friedcat wants to setup an exchange just for his assets
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8014 @ 0.00050348 = 4.0349 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12086 @ 0.00050347 = 6.0849 BTC [-]
Namjies: If shares don't start being traded between people/on an exchange again, I was kissing goodbye to over 1000 Asicminer shares
Diablo-D3: the shares dont go away because you cant trade them
Diablo-D3: no I mean friedcat is already honoring them even without the lists
Namjies: I had a contract with Mircea, he borrowed shares
mircea_popescu: Diablo-D3 this is about a private deal, not much to do with friedcat really.
Diablo-D3: oh, so you two just fucked shit up? lol.
Namjies: No, the deal said should shares no longer be tradeable, a token payment of 1 BTC would be offered.
Namjies: It was a clause in the contract.
Namjies: Would you like to debate the point right away Mircea?
Diablo-D3: I think you have to wait to see what friedcat is going to do first
mircea_popescu: what's to debate ? just pointed out what the contract said.
Diablo-D3: okay so, did friedcat do preorders for his shit? or is he just selling them straight?
Diablo-D3: yes, like bfl and basic and avalon has
Namjies: Did he sell the whole 20000 shares to get 200k?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13854 @ 0.00050347 = 6.9751 BTC [-]
Diablo-D3: Im talking the actual mining units
Diablo-D3: yes, just not as a full time thing for the first batch
Namjies: It's a mix. Self-mining and selling units.
Namjies: ASICMINER shares get their .10 paid in dividends in full first from all profits.
Diablo-D3: but Im still interested in buying units
Namjies: Then it's shared. I don't remember what percentage of the profits the shares actually represent.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12550 @ 0.00050344 = 6.3182 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7600 @ 0.00050344 = 3.8261 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6805 @ 0.00050344 = 3.4259 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6395 @ 0.00050355 = 3.2202 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20700 @ 0.00050355 = 10.4235 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9255 @ 0.00050355 = 4.6604 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5395 @ 0.00050362 = 2.717 BTC [+]
Azelphur: mircea_popescu: not just pies in face, the SEC are after him
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35555 @ 0.00050362 = 17.9062 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11083 @ 0.00050362 = 5.5816 BTC [+]
smickles: lol, 3rd most view page on my blog... /xmlrpc.php
Azelphur: mircea_popescu: I actually have an interview with the SEC folks coming up next week, I offered to give them any info I have
mircea_popescu: you don't just get pies in the face, you get pies in the ass too.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2917 @ 0.00050362 = 1.4691 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12550 @ 0.00050365 = 6.3208 BTC [+]
Azelphur: math question, if I'm arbitrating bitcoins, and I have a database with all my trades in it (buy and sell) how do I calculate my profits? is it the difference between average rate * total amount on buy and sell orders?
mircea_popescu: balance of your btc position start and end + balance of your fiat position start and end
mircea_popescu: - all you paid for btc added together + all you were paid for btc added togheter
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27331 @ 0.00050372 = 13.7672 BTC [+]
Azelphur: I don't keep business accounts separate from personal, so that ain't gonna work :P
Azelphur: yea, that's what I was planning on doing
Azelphur: sum(sell_rate)/num(sell_rate) * sell_total_amount - sum(buy_rate)/num(buy_rate) * buy_total_amount
Azelphur: was what I was thinking would yield the answer :P
mircea_popescu: (sum(sell_rate)/num(sell_rate) - sum(buy_rate)/num) * min (buy, sell ammts)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10900 @ 0.00050372 = 5.4905 BTC [+]
MrTiggr: its only microwave invisibility though isnt it ? not visible spectrum ... and only centimetre or less sized items
MrTiggr: if thats the same article i read ;)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8382 @ 0.00050372 = 4.2222 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8568 @ 0.0005038 = 4.3166 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37100 @ 0.0005038 = 18.691 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13450 @ 0.0005038 = 6.7761 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 982 @ 0.0005038 = 0.4947 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27988 @ 0.00050382 = 14.1009 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4882 @ 0.00050397 = 2.4604 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5237 @ 0.00050397 = 2.6393 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8700 @ 0.00050398 = 4.3846 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13513 @ 0.00050399 = 6.8104 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22287 @ 0.00050399 = 11.2324 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14745 @ 0.00050399 = 7.4313 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17335 @ 0.00050399 = 8.7367 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22346 @ 0.00050399 = 11.2622 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7704 @ 0.00050404 = 3.8831 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17400 @ 0.00050367 = 8.7639 BTC [-]
smickles: mircea_popescu: huh, it must do one automatically, and the
https i have set up is just for me
smickles: so i don't broadcast my password in the clear
smickles: i sent a track back manually, prolly the
https one, i'll refrain in the future ;)
mircea_popescu: hehe it's not signed in any way, it's just a trackback that links to a
https address
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15731 @ 0.00050401 = 7.9286 BTC [+]
smickles: mircea_popescu: i can sign and send you the cert to import if you are actually concerned about the state of
https on my blog ;)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34787 @ 0.00050392 = 17.5299 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14713 @ 0.00050394 = 7.4145 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2927 @ 0.00050394 = 1.475 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11823 @ 0.00050401 = 5.9589 BTC [+]
smickles: not yet, but front page already
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20896 @ 0.00050401 = 10.5318 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3154 @ 0.00050404 = 1.5897 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10792 @ 0.00050404 = 5.4396 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7108 @ 0.00050405 = 3.5828 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1133 @ 0.00050367 = 0.5707 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22367 @ 0.00050349 = 11.2616 BTC [-]
smickles: too bad it didn't come much earlier
smickles: it would've been a lot less drama and bullshit
smickles: and I don't understand the limit of 3-4 per day
smickles: also, his metric for 'largest assets' is probably wonked
Azelphur: true, but at 3-4 a day you can't be too far down the list
Azelphur: there isn't exactly that many assets
smickles: Azelphur: actually, if he's using the same sort that he used to display the full asset list, it'll be well over a week till us
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14100 @ 0.00050401 = 7.1065 BTC [+]
jurov: Diablo-D3, i like bitstamp
jurov: did not collect statically significant data on reliability, tho :P
mircea_popescu: jurov seems pretty much everyone likes bitstamp, unless they fuck up they'll be #2 in short order.
jurov: *statistically [derp]
mircea_popescu: the problem i think is if each trilema article ends up there they'll prolly ban me or something
jurov: hehe... no reason to. Unless all articles were submitted by the same user, which isn't the case.
mircea_popescu: Diablo-D3 how many glbse assets you figure will get 0 claims ?
mircea_popescu: as in, nobody of the people who sent email of w/e had any shares in them
Diablo-D3: btw, is this when I cut off valid claims?
Diablo-D3: like, when I get the list, is that the final defacto list and if you're not on it you're boned?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23427 @ 0.00050449 = 11.8187 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: i dunno what to say. if you get the list, someone not on it throws a shitfit and claims nefario made a mistake i literally do not know what i'd do.
mircea_popescu: i suppose it's one of those things gigavps is paying counsel for.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3323 @ 0.00050449 = 1.6764 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32350 @ 0.00050454 = 16.3219 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10000 @ 0.00050473 = 5.0473 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9537 @ 0.00050484 = 4.8147 BTC [+]
Diablo-D3: yeah, I dont know what to do either
Diablo-D3: because I hired nefario to do a job
Diablo-D3: and then everyone jumped up my ass on the thread because I said exactly that
Diablo-D3: the contract with glbse was between dmc and glbse, he was paid x btc to register the asset.
Diablo-D3: the moment he closed doors he was in default of that contract
mircea_popescu: it's not clear what exactly the contract was, but probably what you say can be claimed as an implicit agreement
mircea_popescu: it'd be a duty of care / fiduciary breach not a contract breach
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11900 @ 0.000505 = 6.0095 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3734 @ 0.00050507 = 1.8859 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9316 @ 0.0005051 = 4.7055 BTC [+]
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: same difference in the end
Diablo-D3: and I cant sue him because DMC just doesnt have the resources for that
Diablo-D3: Im glad giga scared him straight, none of the rest of us have the money for it
mircea_popescu: tbh : he as far as we know gave "sort-of" a list to giga
mircea_popescu: this may all be premature. not saying it is, just... you know, nefario.
Diablo-D3: I wonder if I should just go start dmc 2.0 and try again
Diablo-D3: just let the dmc 1.0 shit sit in a seperate legal container all by itself
Diablo-D3: like, they say when doing the tech startup game, you're supposed to get right back on the horse
mircea_popescu: i guess the bar to attract finance has raised considerably
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16234 @ 0.0005051 = 8.1998 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31151 @ 0.0005051 = 15.7344 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7592 @ 0.00050511 = 3.8348 BTC [+]
Diablo-D3: I dont think I want shareholders this time
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6540 @ 0.00050492 = 3.3022 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25300 @ 0.00050412 = 12.7542 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15700 @ 0.00050405 = 7.9136 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17575 @ 0.00050401 = 8.858 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22783 @ 0.00050377 = 11.4774 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5665 @ 0.0005037 = 2.8535 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33750 @ 0.00050347 = 16.9921 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14700 @ 0.00050341 = 7.4001 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7987 @ 0.0005032 = 4.0191 BTC [-]
Diablo-D3: well, whats wrong with doing bonds with maturity dates like 5 years from now?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20650 @ 0.00050511 = 10.4305 BTC [+]
Diablo-D3: like, people buy them, I send them a pgp signed blob
Diablo-D3: and then they can sell them to other people if they want
Diablo-D3: and whoever has them by the date of maturity can send them back to me for payment
Diablo-D3: no need for an exchange in any real sense
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: so Im thinking a non-callable zero-coupon bond
mircea_popescu: what sense does that make ? he who sent the blob can still claim on it
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24658 @ 0.00050511 = 12.455 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19292 @ 0.0005052 = 9.7463 BTC [+]
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: yeah, but they'd need to also pgp sign it notating who it was sent to
mircea_popescu: that'll be fun, if one blob makes it through 50-100 people.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29529 @ 0.00050432 = 14.8921 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18371 @ 0.0005032 = 9.2443 BTC [-]
Diablo-D3: you'd sign the signed message to do it
Diablo-D3: so I'd just write a sh script that just keeps running pgp over and over
mircea_popescu: kinda makes it hard for the 50th user to see if the thing he's being sold is valid.
Diablo-D3: I'd just put a page up somewhere that does it
Diablo-D3: upload your text file, it recursively pgps
kakobreklaaa: i know im safe as long nobody is going after them
Diablo-D3: actually, I wonder if pgp already can recursively check
kakobreklaaa: if someone sticks a nose in and tries to tax em or whatever simmilar
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1742 @ 0.0005032 = 0.8766 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5960 @ 0.00050307 = 2.9983 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22898 @ 0.00050307 = 11.5193 BTC [-]
Diablo-D3: yeah, I dont think I have to worry about legal regulations on issuing these bonds
Diablo-D3: its up to the bond holder to report his taxes, right?
kakobreklaaa: remember, i was at that connference in slovenia
Diablo-D3: you do pass through shit on mpex right?
Diablo-D3: well like, what would stop you from buying, say, 50 thousand bonds, and then issuing 50 thousand shares of passthrough?
Diablo-D3: well, would it be a viable way of doing this
Diablo-D3: multiple exchanges could trade the bonds as passthrough shares
Diablo-D3: so no need to do massive pgp chains since they'd never exit the exchange
jurov: whole pgp chain thing has one problem, i can send the same bonds properly signed to two different people
jurov: how do they verify no one other has them?
jurov: moving to that exchange level doesn't really solve that. the exchanges must trust each other anyway
Diablo-D3: well, the exchanges probably wouldnt buy or sell them beyond the initial asset creation
jurov: "probably"... even if they are honest, what if clients want to do arbitrage?
jurov: orly? you say that like we exhausted all options, that is not the case. you can look into opentransactions or colored coins maybe.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19508 @ 0.0005052 = 9.8554 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18795 @ 0.00050531 = 9.4973 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22100 @ 0.00050542 = 11.1698 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24426 @ 0.00050542 = 12.3454 BTC [+]
Diablo-D3: I wonder if you COULD do a bitcoin chain that does bonds
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21183 @ 0.00050542 = 10.7063 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13800 @ 0.00050561 = 6.9774 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7843 @ 0.00050996 = 3.9996 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31215 @ 0.00051319 = 16.0192 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4220 @ 0.00051319 = 2.1657 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 909 @ 0.00051143 = 0.4649 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41100 @ 0.00050367 = 20.7008 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9155 @ 0.00050307 = 4.6056 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8400 @ 0.00051 = 4.284 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14850 @ 0.00050604 = 7.5147 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43000 @ 0.00051 = 21.93 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12000 @ 0.00050604 = 6.0725 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7306 @ 0.00050371 = 3.6801 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12576 @ 0.00050307 = 6.3266 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6380 @ 0.00050307 = 3.2096 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19270 @ 0.00050303 = 9.6934 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26859 @ 0.00050303 = 13.5109 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8841 @ 0.0005027 = 4.4444 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9400 @ 0.00050526 = 4.7494 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32450 @ 0.00051 = 16.5495 BTC [+]
JWU42: does he really have this much free time on his hands?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11234 @ 0.0005027 = 5.6473 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7375 @ 0.0005027 = 3.7074 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18125 @ 0.00050234 = 9.1049 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20800 @ 0.00050234 = 10.4487 BTC [-]
jcpham: OH SHIT THIS CHANNEL STILL EXISTS>
jcpham: what exactly is a bitcoin asset these days
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20800 @ 0.00050349 = 10.4726 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1day: 0.00050234 / 0.00050439 / 0.00051319 (3404908 shares, 1,717.41 BTC), 30day: 0.00042823 / 0.00048447 / 0.00051331 (60966128 shares, 29,536.68 BTC)
assbot: [MPEX:S.BVPS] 1day: 0.00280004 / 0.00280004 / 0.00280004 (3300 shares, 9.24 BTC), 30day: 0.002 / 0.00230086 / 0.0032491 (38016 shares, 87.47 BTC)
mod6: i found this old starman script for BitchX that only rg could run anymore lol
mod6: did he ever turn up?
mod6: ;;tell rg i've got a starman for you
mod6: ;;later tell rg i've got a starman for you
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51690 @ 0.00050625 = 26.1681 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16600 @ 0.00050758 = 8.4258 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7850 @ 0.00051 = 4.0035 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4860 @ 0.00050662 = 2.4622 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7631 @ 0.00050488 = 3.8527 BTC [-]
smickles: ;;calc (13,445 - 8,203 - 2,071 - 402) / 100,000,000 / 0.00339922
gribble: Error: Something in there wasn't a valid number.
smickles: ;;calc (13445 - 8203 - 2071 - 402) / 100000000 / 0.00339922
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31009 @ 0.00050488 = 15.6558 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2026 @ 0.00051 = 1.0333 BTC [+]
jurov: smickles, what about mpoe shareholders?
jurov: i suspect we're in a very nice surprise :p
smickles: jurov: oh? yeah, not that I have a good grasp on the situation (i've just casually paid attention), but so long as the exchange rate doesn't go above 13.3 (or something like that) mpoe should have a good dividend. but i could be entirely wrong :D
jurov: so really nobody's watching mircea closely?
smickles: jurov: I'd have to setup a script to monitor things, I've only been noticing the large orders and haven't done an exact calculation. But it would be limited by the fact that it would be difficult to distinguish mircea_popescu's bot, from other's adding liquidity
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17250 @ 0.00051 = 8.7975 BTC [+]
jurov: smickles, you wanted to set up your own bot, so i guessed you'd have some grasp
smickles: jurov: i'm working on that bot still, i'll probably launch it afther this coming last friday (when i have more capital to work with ;)
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 11.70101, Best ask: 11.73969, Bid-ask spread: 0.03868, Last trade: 11.70101, 24 hour volume: 20219.34455426, 24 hour low: 11.60241, 24 hour high: 11.78400, 24 hour vwap: 11.70969
smickles: i'm looking at a 17% gain at the current rates, c'mon stability!
jurov: similar here, although somwheat less.. now if someone could buy these C120T's
smickles: heh, didj'a lower you price yet?
jurov: what price do you consider acceptable?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20000 @ 0.00051 = 10.2 BTC [+]
smickles: jurov: heh, my spreadsheet is telling me 0.02040816
smickles: i expect that's lower than mircea's bot
jurov: C110T sells at 0.25, C130T at 0.06.. market
jurov: is thinking differently
jurov: mircea's bot gave up on these :p
smickles: giving btc to a bot feels like playing with fire
kakobrekla: speaking of bots, im just backtesting freshly baked robot based on kalman filters
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35700 @ 0.00051 = 18.207 BTC [+]
smickles: kakobrekla: do you have a db of mpex trades?
smickles: I've been meaning to setup a good one for myself, and was wondering how far back the twiter feed goes
jurov: smickles, i have db since start of november
jurov: and python rss reader that updates it also, i don't trust twatter for this
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41300 @ 0.00051 = 21.063 BTC [+]
Namjies: I got the list of assets for BTC-Mining
Namjies: Check the list and see if you are included. Only the first 3 characters of email and BTC address are included
Namjies: There's 475 unclaimed shares so far on 2369 shares sold.
gigavps: anything exciting happening?
Namjies: It seems nefario is sending further asset lists
Namjies: I just received the one for BTC-Mining
Azelphur: gigavps: you got your asset list? :D
gigavps: i have received a partial list
Namjies: I'm missing 1/5th of shares to be claimed.
gigavps: can't wait till people start to make claims and aren't on the list
Azelphur: I guess the missing ones are from people who refused to give info?
Namjies: Odd that I'm not on your list Gigavps. My list contains my address and my email
Namjies: Ah, would 18CoGAeLJzwG3iLkBj1vARYDWW7eC7qUQ1 be included this time?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18400 @ 0.00050811 = 9.3492 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27150 @ 0.00050629 = 13.7458 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2850 @ 0.00050488 = 1.4389 BTC [-]
gigavps: that i have yet to hear a solid way to solve it
Namjies: My list seems to be accurate and contain users I was expecting to hold the amount of shares shown
Namjies: I recognize a few bitcointalk.org users too.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12500 @ 0.00050488 = 6.311 BTC [-]
jurov: wasn't email required to glbse registration?
Namjies: and a rock with multiple pairs of eyes glowing from the darkness under labeled "issuers" could be seen somewhere in Bitcoinland.
Namjies: Aye, but my shares amount was public
Namjies: on the BTC-BOND spreadsheet
Namjies: I think the 300 shares is also guessable. I believe that's usagi which had that amount in his spreadsheet for BMF.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22935 @ 0.00050845 = 11.6613 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56780 @ 0.00051 = 28.9578 BTC [+]
JWU42: gigavps: I am finding gaps in what I received from GLBSe versus user submitted claims to me
JWU42: of primary concern are submitted claims from people i would trust
JWU42: and no reference in the GLBSE data
Namjies: How many shares did you have?
gribble: Current Blocks: 208949 | Current Difficulty: 3368767.1405329 | Next Difficulty At Block: 209663 | Next Difficulty In: 714 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 4 days, 22 hours, 12 minutes, and 24 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 3374381.13210326 | Estimated Percent Change: 0.166648252496
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17700 @ 0.00050488 = 8.9364 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6200 @ 0.00050349 = 3.1216 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13125 @ 0.00050234 = 6.5932 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5475 @ 0.00050228 = 2.75 BTC [-]
JWU42: YABMC has 54,278 outstanding
smickles: midnightmagic: heh, why the poke to 'em?
JWU42: ahh - sorry - missed you were speaking with Diablo-D3
Namjies: Well there's 1/5th of shares unclaimed.
Namjies: It's a surprisingly large amount
Namjies: So I guess the list are partial.
Diablo-D3: Azelphur: what tablet is that? a nexus 7?
Diablo-D3: Azelphur: I find it ironic they went with the phone ui on that
Azelphur: Diablo-D3: and here I was thinking you'd ask about the hat
Azelphur: yea, it is odd, there's builds of cyanogenmod with tablet mode enabled
Azelphur: I know, I was just reminding you how much you love ubuntu :P
Diablo-D3: I can do either phone ui or tablet ui on my kindle fire
Diablo-D3: phone ui just doesnt work with a screen that big
Azelphur: still, cyanogenmod fixes all the things
Diablo-D3: its hard to hit centered buttons in landscape mode, and having to drag down half the fucking screen to get notifications sucks
Diablo-D3: tablet ui + forced tablet ui in apps == delicious
Namjies: And you are 100% no shares were sold before GLBSE's closure and that the box agreeing to share info was ticked?
Diablo-D3: Namjies: yes, I had no sell orders up for assets
Diablo-D3: Namjies: and I was emailed by glbse saying whatever
Namjies: Okay. Well I'll try to at least get confirmation for most of the rest of the list.
Namjies: Can you PM me your email and BTC address used? I'll keep track of external claims.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16250 @ 0.00051 = 8.2875 BTC [+]
Namjies: I suspect that 1/3 are mostly holding a few shares. Most big accounts seems to have claimed.
Namjies: They might claim in the following few months tho
Namjies: Not sure how long Nefario will accept claims.
Namjies: Ah, could it be it? Have you received a double payment that was not returned, Diablo-D3?
smickles: i bet nefario could easily claim that
smickles: and peeps wouldn't have recourse
Diablo-D3: smickles: no, because we can just look at addresses on block explorer
smickles: Diablo-D3: he could just use any address which was sent a payment in that timeframe and still has funds at it
Namjies: We can hardly check if your GLBSE payment existed/was doubled/was repaid.
Diablo-D3: Namjies: true, but then hes going to have to falsify asset lists
smickles: or even if it does't have funds at it too
Diablo-D3: seeing as the money he sent me was the entire balance of DIBFLSC
smickles: Diablo-D3: point is, witholding shareholder data for that reason is bad
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43250 @ 0.00051 = 22.0575 BTC [+]
Diablo-D3: Namjies, smickles: I dont like the fact I havent gotten lists for dmc or dibflsc
smickles: i haven't gotten lists for s²cm or mpoe etf yet :(
smickles: I haven't received the s²cm btceither
Namjies: he said he'd send a few lists daily
Namjies: Can you confirm you're on my BTC-MINING lists?
Namjies: match the BTC-Mining shares BMF held if I'm not mistaken
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6000 @ 0.00051 = 3.06 BTC [+]
smickles: kakobrekla: with that algo, after you run the backtest, is the error estimate really fricken' low?
kakobrekla: smickles the filter is used to trigger trading decision delivered from an input which in currently is velocity
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5325 @ 0.00050228 = 2.6746 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22500 @ 0.00050213 = 11.2979 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17565 @ 0.00050181 = 8.8143 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18300 @ 0.00051 = 9.333 BTC [+]
dub: this was momentarily confusing
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44900 @ 0.00050315 = 22.5914 BTC [-]
EskimoBob: usagi, what is your fkn problem? are all shares accounted for (have a known owner)?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10955 @ 0.00050315 = 5.512 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13045 @ 0.00050268 = 6.5575 BTC [-]
Namjies: What is the issue EskimoBob?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2755 @ 0.00050268 = 1.3849 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2485 @ 0.00050181 = 1.247 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36750 @ 0.00050138 = 18.4257 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4782 @ 0.00050094 = 2.3955 BTC [-]
Namjies: Well Usagi should know the lists are not complete
Namjies: and since he has unclaimed shares, you could have 9 in those.
EskimoBob: i sent a e-mail to nefario. Lets see if he answers. Maybe he sent me twice those pennies I had over there and I never noticed.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7237 @ 0.00051 = 3.6909 BTC [+]
dub: you didn't use a clean wallet?
Namjies: If you looked at payment claims thread.
dub: would have thought it sensible with the rumours about nefario getting tipped out by the feds
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38790 @ 0.0005082 = 19.7131 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9760 @ 0.00051 = 4.9776 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11500 @ 0.0005036 = 5.7914 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22400 @ 0.0005036 = 11.2806 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28738 @ 0.00050319 = 14.4607 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14050 @ 0.00050563 = 7.1041 BTC [+]
jurov: smickles, "dangerous, risky, or even illegal"?
Namjies: Depending on local regulations
jurov: i commented on that. did any institution in US/UK officially proclaim bitcoin securities illegal?
jurov: *unlicensed bitcoin securities to be exact (although i doubt there are any licensed)
Diablo-D3: well, thats why I want to go the bond route
Diablo-D3: bonds dont need to be registered with the SEC
mircea_popescu: MPOE-PR, EskimoBob, Puppet, Deprived. Etc. -- Fraud and Conspiracy
Diablo-D3: I havent seen him trolling around lately
Diablo-D3: did it come out that he was nefario's puppet?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21147 @ 0.00050955 = 10.7755 BTC [+]
JWU42: mircea_popescu: it seems either some people did not fill in the GLBSE claim or they are in a dispute over BTC paid out and nefario is holding their assets "hostage"
JWU42: so - we wait a while longer
mircea_popescu: basically, "partial lists" is the only thing that's worse than both "lists" and "no lists"
Namjies: It's pretty much the only tool he has to force people to send back double payments.
Namjies: I find partial list better than no list
JWU42: I was able to match up some claims
JWU42: maybe 50% of ouytstanding shares
mircea_popescu: Namjies maybe you get lucky. what JWU42 is describing is a prime rate nightmare.
JWU42: that is, matching a submitted claim to me via e-mail with GLBSE data
mircea_popescu: from gigavps' tight lippedness i infer he's in a similar situation
dub: why would we send back double payments?
JWU42: why would you not?
dub: thats an "im a fucking moron its coming out of my own pocket" scenario
Namjies: Because you don't own the extra funds?
JWU42: I guess there is enough hatred of nef that users vview it as an asshole tax on nef
dub: yeah, was about to say idiot tax
Namjies: If he can't pay users without those double payments back tho, it harms the innocent users tho.
mircea_popescu: Namjies i dont understand where you figure he gets the empire to fuck with the issuers
dub: he can though sell his house, return his wife to the website for refund etc
mircea_popescu: this is like me running my car into a wall and then destroying the person's wall to extract my car.
Namjies: I'm not saying it's right.
Namjies: Technically, the info is not his.
Namjies: I'm just saying he probably went for it because it was the only option he could leverage.
dub: to head off any idiocy, i didnt receive a double payment (nor a single one)
Namjies: return his wife for... >.>
Namjies: I'm almost certain he didn't buy his wife.
mircea_popescu: can't argue with you there, he has a hefty history of doing stupid shit to compensate for other stupid shit
dub: englishman with chinawife == purchased
dub: dead calm is the only kidman film I rate
smickles: 22:28 < jurov> smickles, "dangerous, risky, or even illegal"? <<< I did say '..could be..'
Namjies: oh I see... so I guess everyone who is in a couple with an asian foreigner has purchased the girl...
Namjies: I don't see how you can infer it must have been purchased...
mircea_popescu: Namjies i'll have you know anyone married in romania has bought the wife.
mircea_popescu: they have a little ceremony at the wedding, people steal her off
dub: it may not be a traditional cash exchange, sex/pretend love for citizenship works as well
Namjies: Well if it's customary for the groom to buy his wife...
mircea_popescu: dub why'd she want british citizenship ? she's not paki, she's chinese.
dub: probably cash for mail order then
Namjies: and Nefario was in China recently visiting her family with her or so he claimed...
Namjies: That doesn't sound like a mail order...
dub: probably to arrange immigration documents
Namjies: Fine, fine, believe whatever you want. But I'm not buying that theory
Namjies: Most claims are matching my list.
smickles: "you dim witted hysterical fuck"
mircea_popescu: "paint a dim witted hysterical fuck. you have two hours and may only use white and burnt sienna"
Namjies: Ah, well maybe others didn't have as much luck as me.
Namjies: 1 unofficial claim so far, many not confirmed yet, many claims confirmed by a user on bitcointalk
Namjies: By looking at spreadsheet and confirming the amount of shares is correct/email/btc address
smickles: sign a message with the address?
Namjies: Strictly looking to get each line I received associated with an actual, preexisting user.
gribble: Error: "rewardhalf" is not a valid command.
mircea_popescu: o so you mean users claimed the lines as representing them ?
gribble: Estimated time of bitcoin block reward halving: Thu Nov 29 02:24:05 2012 UTC | Time remaining: 1 week, 0 days, 3 hours, and 0 seconds.
mircea_popescu: then we can celebrate thanksgiving together once the forum is reloaded from the back-up
mircea_popescu: i guess you'll find that most anywhere foreign currency is legally defined as "legal tender of any other country"
Namjies: Bitcoin is not technically legal tender in any country tho.
Namjies: Unless a country makes it legal tender any currency known or unkown... as far as I'm aware, no country has done such thing.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25150 @ 0.0005061 = 12.7284 BTC [-]
jurov: i replied there, i expect flames over these "third world countries" :P
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17850 @ 0.0005061 = 9.0339 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6650 @ 0.00050563 = 3.3624 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: "maybe except some third world countries with paranoid law system like USA, UK and North Korea"
mircea_popescu: i am of the same mind. the anglosphere is firmly lodged in the third world.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4200 @ 0.00050563 = 2.1236 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18500 @ 0.00050491 = 9.3408 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10557 @ 0.00050491 = 5.3303 BTC [-]
dub: mircea_popescu: I think i've seen that, her real bf from russia comes and fucks him up oslt
smickles: oh, the weight of my fish is now below the threashold
smickles: when you attack another fish and lose
smickles: you can only attack larger fish
Namjies: so you always have lower odds to win
Namjies: Is there a way to check odds?
smickles: when you have a fish, they show below the other fish
smickles: dont forget to bookmark the page when it tells you to
Namjies: I need to create a bitcoin address for withdrawal first.
gribble: Time since last block: 12 minutes and 49 seconds
smickles: i should become visible again at the next block
smickles: it's the one you choose at the beginning
gribble: Time since last block: 15 minutes and 17 seconds
smickles: oh, you are green to the people who chose you
Namjies: Looks like fun. I'll create a fish.
Namjies: I don't see them biting each others tho.
gribble: Time since last block: 3 minutes and 0 seconds
Namjies: Damn, I'm out of personal bitcoins.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla : send me 5btc i'll credit your mpex acct ?
dub: im not detecting any eating of fish
kakobrekla: well gimme addy what are you waiting for
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10150 @ 0.00050491 = 5.1248 BTC [-]
dub: time to send flowers
dub: you'll be sleeping with the fishes, see
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10593 @ 0.00050491 = 5.3485 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: smickles : you should prolly ask for a kickback from whoever made the game.
JWU42: but I have found my own strategy and it has worked OK for the last 6 weeks
kakobrekla: 02:26.48 ( &phy ) Are bitcoins kosher?
Namjies: How can you have a strategy for...
Namjies: Something with odds against you...
smickles: 00:47 < dub> whois smickles? << padre
Namjies: Hmm, I'm thinking about getting referrals for Sealswithclubs and running freerolls every now and then.
Namjies: Hopefully getting some money to good players.
kakobrekla: mircea is mircea and he didnt ask me for more money
kakobrekla: JWU42, how can you run a profit on sd, do explain
smickles: kakobrekla: you don't think SD is profitable?
Namjies: SD = You always lose in the long run
Namjies: Play long enough and you'll end up in the red.
smickles: pigeons: do you know anything about rg being gone for days?
Namjies: The more you play, the lower your odds.
JWU42: kakobrekla: I am up about 250 BTC in the last 6 weeks
JWU42: slow and steady - trying to win 2 BTC a day
JWU42: yeah - that is probably the wisest way
gribble: Time since last block: 29 minutes and 15 seconds
smickles: dammit mircea_popescu, you beat me to the press
kakobrekla: mircea_popescu calls up for more players only to earn on them
gribble: Error: "bc,rewardhalf" is not a valid command.
gribble: Estimated time of bitcoin block reward halving: Thu Nov 29 02:33:41 2012 UTC | Time remaining: 1 week, 0 days, 0 hours, 40 minutes, and 0 seconds.
gribble: Error: "bc,halfrewaed" is not a valid command.
JWU42: they have had a nice recovery after a sharp drop
dub: how does this fish work
smickles: dub: read mircea_popescu's post
smickles: or the instructions on the gamesite itself
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10362 @ 0.00050319 = 5.2141 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16945 @ 0.00050302 = 8.5237 BTC [-]
smickles: mircea_popescu: if this gets popular, that dude will be rich
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla sort of million dollar website with interaction.
mircea_popescu: and ftr i put in 7 btc and i am worth 8 atm, so you could say i made a profit.
gribble: Time since last block: 37 minutes and 9 seconds
kakobrekla: so now its a competition who puts more btc in
gribble: Time since last block: 38 minutes and 11 seconds
mircea_popescu: but in general due to variance, your stake = your cards
mircea_popescu: listen, you get AK this turn, the other guy gets it next turn
kakobrekla: my point is, i can always get AK if i raise my deposit/stake
kakobrekla: so in case two guys have 10 and a half million coins each
kakobrekla: its just a matter of who trustes the site more
gribble: Time since last block: 45 minutes and 59 seconds
kakobrekla: i will run out of trust before i ran out of coins
dub: when do you cash out?
smickles: I've already tested it, it works
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8929 @ 0.00050302 = 4.4915 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8471 @ 0.00050205 = 4.2529 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: ok this is odd. do you see mircea as 8.1999 or 10.999 ?
smickles: yeah, but i should only be reduced by half each time
smickles: mircea_popescu: _negative_ 1.5
dub: coinapult and mircea doing battle
Namjies: smickles eats everything :O
dub: mircea_popescu: ouch
smickles: well, i profited from that game :)
dub: smickles cached out though
smickles: mircea_popescu: i withdrew monies :)
dub: cash stupid caching in the brain
mircea_popescu: i prolly should have withdrawn, could have made 5 or something like that.
dub: so tis bascially SD with pictures
Namjies: Nah... it's about stealing coins off others
jchysk: what are you guys playing?
smickles: Namjies: yeah, he went wild at the end, it was a right frenzy
mircea_popescu: course 8 btc is something like a dozen blowjobs from a pair of blue eyed identical twins
Namjies: The rate is too low for me tho
Namjies: Doing other things with my bitcoins.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 42105 @ 0.00339922 = 143.1242 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 7920 @ 0.00339944 = 26.9236 BTC [+]
dub: kinda close to zipconf
smickles: only 13571 shares to go until ipo shares are being bought again
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24392 @ 0.00050395 = 12.2923 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1day: 0.00339922 / 0.00339925 / 0.00339944 (50025 shares, 170.05 BTC), 30day: 0.00180002 / 0.00332456 / 0.0034 (874155 shares, 2,906.19 BTC)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22015 @ 0.00050395 = 11.0945 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7620 @ 0.00050698 = 3.8632 BTC [+]
smickles: mircea_popescu: no doubt, because of my blog
smickles: haha!, my Biggest Fish add is working!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11080 @ 0.00050516 = 5.5972 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18600 @ 0.00050407 = 9.3757 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6629 @ 0.00050205 = 3.3281 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32641 @ 0.00050094 = 16.3512 BTC [-]
smickles: and at -1082.333333333 CPM so far, it's the best advert i've ever placed
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10800 @ 0.00050698 = 5.4754 BTC [+]
Namjies: Bah, keep getting disconnected
smickles: Namjies: my ad has a cpm of -1082~ btc
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3147 @ 0.00050698 = 1.5955 BTC [+]
Namjies: You get paid 1082 BTC per CPM to ... advertise?
Namjies: That's how in understand your formulation.
smickles: heh, it has a CPM of _negative_ 1082 btc ;)
Namjies: I paid 0.60 USD in ads and now have... 0.01 USD in commission on Seals with Clubs!
smickles: damn, my fish is about slaughtered
smickles: oh, mircea_popescu's at it again
Namjies: Seems non-BTC traffic is interested in BTC poker tho...
smickles: lol, next you know, he'll be selling mpoe share to fund his addiction
Namjies: Addiction is funly addictive!
mircea_popescu: well... unlike last time when i just left my 8 btcs hanging around
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7550 @ 0.00050309 = 3.7983 BTC [-]
gribble: Time since last block: 2 minutes and 22 seconds
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1840 @ 0.00050698 = 0.9328 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22300 @ 0.00050846 = 11.3387 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7731 @ 0.00050921 = 3.9367 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22750 @ 0.00050309 = 11.4453 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16490 @ 0.00050094 = 8.2605 BTC [-]
smickles: heh about a dozen uniques from the fish game, and i'm net +3.147 btc
smickles: yeah, i coul've lost btc overall
smickles: mircea_popescu: do a little highschool probability calc ;)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9500 @ 0.0005036 = 4.7842 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 401 @ 0.00050094 = 0.2009 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26279 @ 0.00049988 = 13.1363 BTC [-]
smickles: i think you best chances are in going after a fish much larger than you, you'll lose more often, but the big win should balance it out
mircea_popescu: seems about neutral. course the game just says "proportional"
smickles: i.e., go after the biggest fish there, or if you want it to be a little more fun, go after anything with a 10% or so on it
dub: alas places to go whiskey to drink
Namjies: Withdrawal request at MPEx pending...
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 12.05000, Best ask: 12.07797, Bid-ask spread: 0.02797, Last trade: 12.05000, 24 hour volume: 38987.87991628, 24 hour low: 11.64350, 24 hour high: 12.10000, 24 hour vwap: 11.82328
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13900 @ 0.00050921 = 7.078 BTC [+]
Namjies: My Put options will profit greatly it seems
gribble: Time since last block: 1 minute and 43 seconds
smickles: yeah, the one who doesn't lose until about 9.50 usd/btc, good call ;)
smickles: you have that balanced out buy the guy who shorted way more puts tho, right?
smickles: the ones that turn a profit above 13?
smickles: yeah, but these are unprofitable puts
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10097 @ 0.00050921 = 5.1415 BTC [+]
Namjies: I sold P130s for 0.25 BTC each =/
Namjies: Assuming it goes over 14 USD/BTC
smickles: still going apeshit on EskimoBob ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33650 @ 0.00050145 = 16.8738 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8450 @ 0.00049988 = 4.224 BTC [-]
Namjies: I'm missing claimers too on my list.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10036 @ 0.00050921 = 5.1104 BTC [+]
Namjies: Doesn't mean there was false claims.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4985 @ 0.00050921 = 2.5384 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25765 @ 0.00051 = 13.1402 BTC [+]
smickles: usagi: did EskimoBob withold a double payment from nef?
smickles: if he filed a claim, and then didn't return a double payment, nef would withold his data from the issuers
smickles: hell, nef could actually get away with doing that to someone 'just cause'
smickles: because the way the situation is, nef could just be dicking with EskimoBob
smickles: suppose eb wasn't sent a double payment, and nef said he was
smickles: I think EB advocated not sending back double payments when it looked like nef would never release the infos
smickles: but i'm unsure if it was EB or not
gribble: Time since last block: 16 minutes and 4 seconds
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28325 @ 0.00051 = 14.4458 BTC [+]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 12.05000, Best ask: 12.09951, Bid-ask spread: 0.04951, Last trade: 12.09957, 24 hour volume: 39295.73956024, 24 hour low: 11.64350, 24 hour high: 12.10000, 24 hour vwap: 11.82560
smickles: usagi: it's not a clear case at all, because nefario could claim all sorts of things that eb can't disprove
smickles: not at all, at the time it was logical to withold those
smickles: it was the only bargining chip of the issuers
smickles: usagi: he might not _still_ be witholding it
dub: unless gox engine is fail
smickles: assuming he ever actually did get a double payment
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16874 @ 0.00051 = 8.6057 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8300 @ 0.00050892 = 4.224 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7523 @ 0.00049948 = 3.7576 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6895 @ 0.00049733 = 3.4291 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19232 @ 0.00049606 = 9.5402 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2350 @ 0.00050892 = 1.196 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7329 @ 0.00051 = 3.7378 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41500 @ 0.00049847 = 20.6865 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3350 @ 0.00049847 = 1.6699 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11250 @ 0.00049606 = 5.5807 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12150 @ 0.00049698 = 6.0383 BTC [+]
EskimoBob: so,little shitbird usagi is opening up multiple scam accusations and when he realizes, he has no proof, closes the thread and makes a new one
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28350 @ 0.00051 = 14.4585 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14600 @ 0.0005062 = 7.3905 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19950 @ 0.0005062 = 10.0987 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11376 @ 0.0005062 = 5.7585 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21024 @ 0.00050085 = 10.5299 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7423 @ 0.00050085 = 3.7178 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7927 @ 0.00050083 = 3.9701 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28515 @ 0.00050391 = 14.369 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32050 @ 0.00050083 = 16.0516 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10485 @ 0.00050391 = 5.2835 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29150 @ 0.00050607 = 14.7519 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1737 @ 0.00050884 = 0.8839 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27663 @ 0.00050496 = 13.9687 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12537 @ 0.00050496 = 6.3307 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23463 @ 0.00050343 = 11.812 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8900 @ 0.00050343 = 4.4805 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2454 @ 0.00050343 = 1.2354 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14900 @ 0.00050262 = 7.489 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28346 @ 0.00050114 = 14.2053 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 300 @ 0.00339944 = 1.0198 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41700 @ 0.00050689 = 21.1373 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1555 @ 0.00050689 = 0.7882 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38050 @ 0.00050663 = 19.2773 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10745 @ 0.00050663 = 5.4437 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14505 @ 0.00050804 = 7.3691 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10150 @ 0.00050804 = 5.1566 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22828 @ 0.0005021 = 11.4619 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5554 @ 0.00050114 = 2.7833 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12634 @ 0.00050083 = 6.3275 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14422 @ 0.00050053 = 7.2186 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13200 @ 0.00050804 = 6.7061 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18978 @ 0.00050053 = 9.4991 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9372 @ 0.00049797 = 4.667 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25400 @ 0.00050804 = 12.9042 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6767 @ 0.00050695 = 3.4305 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15750 @ 0.00050695 = 7.9845 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11158 @ 0.00050547 = 5.64 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23042 @ 0.00049937 = 11.5065 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42645 @ 0.00050695 = 21.6189 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23258 @ 0.00049937 = 11.6143 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26428 @ 0.00049797 = 13.1604 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1514 @ 0.00049694 = 0.7524 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9386 @ 0.00049694 = 4.6643 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6349 @ 0.00049672 = 3.1537 BTC [-]
Ukto: whats with all the trades?
Ukto: just seemed like alot this morning
jurov: mircea is trading with himself :P
jurov: where did i saw that? yeah on reddit...
jurov: but the 1.8m wall yesterday was really impressive
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8304 @ 0.00050695 = 4.2097 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7434 @ 0.00050804 = 3.7768 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14111 @ 0.00050804 = 7.169 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 781 @ 0.00050846 = 0.3971 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20896 @ 0.00050846 = 10.6248 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32133 @ 0.00050846 = 16.3383 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17717 @ 0.00051 = 9.0357 BTC [+]
jurov: pity that my scalper needs update to use latest code. would have made a killing :P
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32604 @ 0.00051 = 16.628 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: and i'm not going to keep seling my own shares jsut because people keep wanting to buy them ;/
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 91270 @ 0.00051 = 46.5477 BTC [+]
smickles: 04:57 #bitcoin-assets: < sgornick> smickles: How long after 1 confirmation before the credit shows? << should be just about _at_ one confirm to show
smickles: heh, freemoney's fish is finally there
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44900 @ 0.00051 = 22.899 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32450 @ 0.00051 = 16.5495 BTC [+]
smickles: lol, i just witnessed the death of Nameworld
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32400 @ 0.00051 = 16.524 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: <smickles> lol, i just witnessed the death of Nameworld
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41950 @ 0.00051 = 21.3945 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33900 @ 0.00051 = 17.289 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31800 @ 0.00051 = 16.218 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29600 @ 0.00050884 = 15.0617 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23072 @ 0.00051 = 11.7667 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21600 @ 0.00050884 = 10.9909 BTC [-]
smickles: look, there's a bitcointalk.org fish now
mircea_popescu: From: "Erik Voorhees" I will never forgive you for eating my fish!!!!!
smickles: lol, "jaws" is blockchain.info
Namjies: I only put 0.10 so people register fishes under my name.
smickles: Namjies: well, until your ally takes a hit
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1700 @ 0.00050884 = 0.865 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28400 @ 0.00050652 = 14.3852 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3600 @ 0.00050633 = 1.8228 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6750 @ 0.00050633 = 3.4177 BTC [-]
smickles: ohsht, bitcointalk just ate a newb!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6700 @ 0.00050633 = 3.3924 BTC [-]
Namjies: While you guys play, I'm going to refer more people to Seals with Clubs.
mircea_popescu: Thank you for your help to test the game. Withdraw your funds plz and PM me with found bugs. If some bitcoins wasn't deposited then PM me with your tx id.
Namjies: He should just force withdrawals on all fishes...
Namjies: I'm sure many won't see that.
Namjies: I killed myself on you smickles. Withdraw now =P
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24500 @ 0.00051 = 12.495 BTC [+]
Namjies: Hmm... I can't wait to organize a freeroll on Seals.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21812 @ 0.00050633 = 11.0441 BTC [-]
Namjies: So they don't currently have enough CAD. So what?
smickles: if you write a mtgox bot, you'll know they have a strange system
smickles: you can buy usd, and they pair you with a cad seller, and run to their bank to get the usd
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30788 @ 0.00050481 = 15.5421 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15062 @ 0.00051 = 7.6816 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: do you know what it takes to pay back usd on an eur intake ?
Namjies: It wouldn't take me 5 seconds.
Namjies: Imagine I have a USD bank account and a CAD bank account. I have to transfer funds to one another and wait a few days for conversion & transfer to happen.
jurov: Namijes, did you saw the ticket date there?
mircea_popescu: man seriously, it is five seconds, i just make the order.
mircea_popescu: it takes me longer to authorise it than it takes the bank to execute it.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21691 @ 0.00051 = 11.0624 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: basically the only explanation i can see is that they are literally out of money
mircea_popescu: first by the entire dwolla bs, on the grounds that people know dwolla are assholla
mircea_popescu: now with cad, on the theory that "nobody cares about cad"
mircea_popescu: Namjies : what do youi mean what ? you can't be out of fiat. if you have one you have any.
Namjies: I've never seen instant processing of wire transfers.
mircea_popescu: Namjies why are we discussing wires ? we're discussing exchanging usd to cad or w/e
jurov: Namjies, even if they had some administrative issues to move funds to CAD acct, it's not possible it would take a month
Namjies: BECAUSE they'd have to transfer from a USD account and wire funds to their CAD account...
Namjies: Yes, it would not take a month. It would still not be instant.
jurov: and before all they plainly say "no funds" so i guess no wire transfer was even intended
mircea_popescu: you don't wire funds from your usd to your cad account.
mircea_popescu: it's instant, you just move them from your own usd account to your own cad account.
smickles: don't you just ask the bank to exchane it?
jurov: ofc, if they're in the same bank.. but that's beside the point for this situation
Namjies: That's assuming you have a single account at a single bank offering balances in all the currencies you want.
Namjies: They might have different banks for each currency.
mircea_popescu: Namjies if you don't you have no business offering this service.
smickles: lol, my local credit union will give me yen if i ask
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28937 @ 0.00050313 = 14.5591 BTC [-]
jurov: "beside the point" i mean they don't even mention bank wires or like
Namjies: They'll let you buy the currency, yes.
Namjies: They might not allow you to have an account denomited in that currency however.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18650 @ 0.00050313 = 9.3834 BTC [-]
smickles: if that's the case, they need a better bank
Namjies: OR considering the fee they take on BTC transactions, they might not be interested to convert USD to CAD and get hit by conversion fees for someone withdrawing 100 CAD or so.
Namjies: All would be bad business practice, yes.
jurov: it *is* bad business practice.. let the customer wait a month?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13800 @ 0.00051 = 7.038 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: anyway, when i said "buy ryals" i didn't mean get some banknotes (i'm not even sure i could have)
Namjies: Well if I ever need to do something like that, I'll inquire about it.
Namjies: I don't usually inquire about services I don't need.
mircea_popescu: hopefully you'd inquire before you run mtgox for 2 years
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3113 @ 0.00050313 = 1.5662 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19837 @ 0.00050225 = 9.9631 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: i started to talk about bitcoin on forex irc network
kakobrekla: 20:02.11 ( @JohnnyM ) kakobrekla: plug me into the matrix so you can download all this knowledge into my head lol
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40392 @ 0.00050225 = 20.2869 BTC [-]
Namjies: Why are those aggregated bid/asks cutting so abruptly into flat-tops?
Ukto: so Mr. Nefarious has started giving out asset lists?
Namjies: It's like even up to the last point, plenty of small step and suddenly... almost no orders
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3210 @ 0.00050225 = 1.6122 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16950 @ 0.00050014 = 8.4774 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18890 @ 0.00049931 = 9.432 BTC [-]
Ukto: know who else besides gigavps that have received the info?
Namjies: no BTC-BOND/KRAKEN thus far.
Ukto: Namjies: which asset is yours?
Ukto: ahh, thanks pigeons.
Ukto: yeah, I was just noticing that myself
smickles: i mean, s2cm wasn't all that big, but ibb was tiny
Ukto: I expected to see some others before IBB
Ukto: but mebbe its cause its small
pigeons: well ibb is also one of the oldest still running
smickles: Ukto: he claimed to be going from largest to smallest
Ukto: pigeons: well, I am about to turn my system on. gonna add api trading tonight/tomorrow.
Ukto: all the tests have been great
Ukto: pigeons: you have an account. LOL
smickles: "long time member of the bitcoin community"
Ukto: its in test mode, so no deposits, or withdraws atm
Ukto: wouldnt want someone to accidentally "donate" ;)
pigeons: ok, when i tested it was under hashpower downain
Ukto: nah, almost a literal glbse clone
Ukto: but adding more features, and a nicer interface
Ukto: while easily recognizable
Ukto: this is bitcoin. any tos other than that is a lie
Ukto: i hate all the ppl who write all the proper crap, and it turns out to be bs
Ukto: I have been handling lots of btc for quite a few ppl for a while now, and am heavily invested, I dont plan to run away anytime w/ anything.
Ukto: I like the community. heh
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8800 @ 0.00050276 = 4.4243 BTC [+]
Ukto: I have an asset list import system && claim system based on the way info was presented to Goat a few months ago
Ukto: havent seen the new list stuff yet to make sure its the same
pigeons: giga said its csv with email, #shares held, btc address provided,
Namjies: Hah, much shorter than my TOS
Namjies: Not really the same area...
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21050 @ 0.00050881 = 10.7105 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16158 @ 0.00050881 = 8.2214 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14359 @ 0.00051 = 7.3231 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4400 @ 0.00050292 = 2.2128 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49691 @ 0.00051 = 25.3424 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32400 @ 0.00050292 = 16.2946 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6577 @ 0.00049931 = 3.284 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32579 @ 0.00051 = 16.6153 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17200 @ 0.00049931 = 8.5881 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 254 @ 0.00049931 = 0.1268 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25846 @ 0.00049891 = 12.8948 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8654 @ 0.00049891 = 4.3176 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12846 @ 0.00049888 = 6.4086 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13800 @ 0.00051 = 7.038 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20000 @ 0.00051 = 10.2 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24511 @ 0.00050595 = 12.4013 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21839 @ 0.00050351 = 10.9962 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25161 @ 0.00050351 = 12.6688 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24754 @ 0.00049888 = 12.3493 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14896 @ 0.00049862 = 7.4274 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29350 @ 0.00049862 = 14.6345 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7854 @ 0.00049862 = 3.9162 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15150 @ 0.00049711 = 7.5312 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25901 @ 0.00049672 = 12.8655 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10395 @ 0.00049659 = 5.1621 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29182 @ 0.00049913 = 14.5656 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2455 @ 0.00049659 = 1.2191 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15639 @ 0.00049965 = 7.814 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15811 @ 0.00051 = 8.0636 BTC [+]
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Azelphur: smickles: good that it got removed
Namjies: People have indeed accused bitcoins of being a ponzi.
Namjies: That section didn't state if that was right or no, just that some people claimed so.
Namjies: There was a few linked articles.
smickles: and don't link to a source saying that people say it has been accused of being a ponzi
Azelphur: Namjies: that kind of thing is stupid to have on an article lol
Azelphur: on that basis I accuse the US president of being a prostitute
smickles: lol, Namjies those refrences never said who accused it of being a ponzi
Azelphur: yea, wikipedia is meant to be about facts :p
smickles: not even so low as some forum nick
Namjies: Yeah, well just make sure your name is in the news as a crazy nutjob claiming the president is a prostitute.
Namjies: Once it's quoted in reputable newspapers, we can add a section on wikipedia.
smickles: heh, they don't usually give the names of people saying baseless things
Namjies: "Name has blocked bridge/shot people/other claiming the President is a prostitute. The incident... President's reaction..."
smickles: isn't that part of the point in haveing it removed?
Namjies: I said make sure your name is in the news.
smickles: noone reputable actually accused bitcoin of being a ponzi
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30750 @ 0.00051 = 15.6825 BTC [+]
Namjies: You can get something included in wikipedia anyway by creating a large commotion worth mentioning.
smickles: reputable institutions said that someone heard it said that...
Namjies: So long as that incident is big enough.
Namjies: And whatever you were screaming/saying could very well end up quoted in a wikipedia article.
Namjies: As it's a relevant information to the fact (the "incident")
Namjies: You have to think around the limitations.
smickles: Namjies: do you think the original statement implied that it actually is a ponzi?
Namjies: No. But I know that's not how the general public would read it.
smickles: "Some criticize Bitcoin for being a [[Ponzi scheme]]..."
smickles: I don't quite se how that doesn't imply it is a ponzi
smickles: it basically says, it's a ponzi, and some criticize it b/c of that
Namjies: It just says some people think it is a Ponzi.
smickles: that would be "Some criticize Bitcoin, claiming it is a [[Ponzi scheme]].." tho
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38300 @ 0.00050873 = 19.4844 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7841 @ 0.00050853 = 3.9874 BTC [-]
smickles: "some criticize smickles for being a human"
Namjies: When you criticize something for being X, X is not necessarily proven.
Namjies: "some criticize smickles for being a douche" The point is not proven but someone is criticizing you for it.
smickles: google says it's "Indicate the faults of (someone or something) in a disapproving way", and fault as "An unattractive or unsatisfactory feature", that sound to me as if it was something that is proven
Namjies: Or criticize can simply mean you judged something to be X based on what you see.
jurov: yes, i parse such sentence like they're criticizing known fact
smickles: anywah, that's the crux of the debate
jurov: then i have to retrace anf think maybe it's not a fact, jsut assumption
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28200 @ 0.00051 = 14.382 BTC [+]
Namjies: "We'll proceed this way, it works because" -> "This cannot possibly work because"
Namjies: "some criticized the plan as being impossible"
Namjies: Perfectly valid usage, yet it doesn't prove what you criticize is true.
Namjies: You can criticize anything for being anything.
jurov: id doesn't proves, just implies
jurov: implication that can be pretty damning, too
Namjies: It implies the person who criticize it believes it's a fact/fault
Namjies: "Some people criticize the US government for not being a democracy" <--
Namjies: The person criticizing implies something, but it's not a proven fact.
Namjies: I would have read it as being a Ponzi if they said the owner/administrator admitted it was a ponzi and could link to articles/investigation/reports/etc quoting/claiming so.
jurov: Namjies, yeah, but i wouldn't rely on that in election campaign, for example :p
jurov: there's thorretical semantics and there's practice
Namjies: and I don't rely on someone criticizing something as a Ponzi to be a proof it is...
Namjies: so I didn't read the statement as saying Bitcoin was a Ponzi.
Namjies: But yes, it was not worth the mention on wikipedia.
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5800 @ 0.00051 = 2.958 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26950 @ 0.00051 = 13.7445 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51100 @ 0.00051 = 26.061 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5900 @ 0.00051 = 3.009 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25655 @ 0.00051 = 13.0841 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40100 @ 0.00051 = 20.451 BTC [+]
smickles: oooh, Namjies Sudoghost commented on my article
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29300 @ 0.00051 = 14.943 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24171 @ 0.00050853 = 12.2917 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4479 @ 0.00050698 = 2.2708 BTC [-]
Namjies: If the tidbit was reworded to "has been accused of", I'd be quite fine with it.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26799 @ 0.00050698 = 13.5866 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8188 @ 0.00050817 = 4.1609 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25720 @ 0.00051 = 13.1172 BTC [+]
smickles: I'm actually a little suprised that sudoghost say my blog, that page has only had 170 views, and that's about half as many as the biggest fish page has had
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32801 @ 0.00050698 = 16.6295 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18029 @ 0.00050667 = 9.1348 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5571 @ 0.00050667 = 2.8227 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35629 @ 0.00050438 = 17.9706 BTC [-]
gribble: Estimated time of bitcoin block reward halving: Thu Nov 29 02:40:44 2012 UTC | Time remaining: 6 days, 2 hours, 50 minutes, and 0 seconds.
smickles: You still expect the exghange rate to go apeshit here sooN?
smickles: if you trust icbit, there are still futures pretty low
smickles: and that's still 30 cents away
smickles: I finally got my wife to stop acting like a drunk person (bringing a whole tree into the house)
smickles: lol, timesink, that one should be
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1021 @ 0.00050438 = 0.515 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17879 @ 0.00050336 = 8.9996 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 123638 @ 0.00051 = 63.0554 BTC [+]
smickles: yeah, I didn't look into it far enough to find out why you were redacted
mircea_popescu: smickles you wouldn't expect bitcoin magazine to make sense would you.
mircea_popescu: but the explanation is quite simple : everyone left. the only guy left is some schmuck from Ro by the name of mihai something
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23600 @ 0.00050893 = 12.0107 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18250 @ 0.00050781 = 9.2675 BTC [-]
pigeons: EskimoBob defrauded me, he lied that he owend one share of something usagi had, and usagi the honaorable said he didn't, so by some way i haven't figured out yet, bob scammed me
pigeons: oh sorry, should be "the honorable usagi"
thestringpuller: what was the mpcd series? I am still uninformed, I apologize.
mircea_popescu: it's on the forum somewhwere, i think if you search for mpcd it'll pop
pigeons: mircea_popescu issued cdoish things invested into such top rated securites as usagi's issues and patrick harnett
pigeons: well at the very least, they both stopped paying
mircea_popescu: smickles what's worth mentioning is that mpoe actually existed one week before bitcoinica.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55300 @ 0.00051 = 28.203 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36516 @ 0.00051 = 18.6232 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16100 @ 0.00051012 = 8.2129 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11146 @ 0.00051025 = 5.6872 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: i'm curious if the biggest fish guy makes the changes proposed.
smickles: we'll see, did you actually point your article out to him?
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 12.26859, Best ask: 12.30000, Bid-ask spread: 0.03141, Last trade: 12.31000, 24 hour volume: 60247.09652593, 24 hour low: 11.67000, 24 hour high: 12.43000, 24 hour vwap: 12.08073
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21600 @ 0.00050436 = 10.8942 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22800 @ 0.0005035 = 11.4798 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25824 @ 0.00050595 = 13.0657 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35900 @ 0.00050615 = 18.1708 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9120 @ 0.00051025 = 4.6535 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9456 @ 0.00051035 = 4.8259 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27200 @ 0.00051035 = 13.8815 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9894 @ 0.00051035 = 5.0494 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16660 @ 0.0005104 = 8.5033 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25740 @ 0.0005104 = 13.1377 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26710 @ 0.00051052 = 13.636 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: why buy them out ? "very low barrier to entry" "anyone could make a game"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2490 @ 0.00051052 = 1.2712 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22860 @ 0.00051058 = 11.6719 BTC [+]
smickles: iirc, it's the most active online bitcoin poker site
dub: heh I put .2 in yesterday and attacked once, just woke up at im biggest fish
mircea_popescu: you're the goatse ? i fed you earlier a little. like the idea.
smickles: mircea_popescu: oh? i thought fremoney was significantly involved
mircea_popescu: smickles i don't know that he isn't, which is whuy im asking.
smickles: Ok, well, i'm asking them if they are related now :)
mircea_popescu: support : we are sorry but we are out of cash today and it was a holiday in japan.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34000 @ 0.00050548 = 17.1863 BTC [-]
pigeons: yes freemoney owns sealswithclubs and micon is paid as the pro and to promote last i heard
pigeons: owner of sealswithclubs bitcoin poker site
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28100 @ 0.00050672 = 14.2388 BTC [+]
smickles: kakobrekla: the question stemmed from my calling him famous
smickles: where he said he wanted to buy the fish game and make it 0-conf
kakobrekla: wait, doesnt the size of the fish reflect your odds of winning a battle
kakobrekla: I would probably play a .5 fish 20 times tho...
smickles: kakobrekla: i think that is a good position to hold tho
smickles: consider the reward of 90% of the larger fish to the odds of loss
smickles: and the odds of loss in consideration of 50% of your own weight
smickles: probabilistically, you want to aim at the fish which gives you the least odds of winning, so long as it is large enough compared to you
smickles: mircea_popescu: it varies based on the given fish weights
smickles: but it's: enemy*chance*.9 >= self*chance*.5
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2373 @ 0.00309664 = 7.3483 BTC [-]
smickles: and click "click here to read how to play"
mircea_popescu: can you just quote the thing here so i don't have to make a new fish ?
smickles: kk, one sec, i don't think i can copypasta
mircea_popescu: basically the way i see it, 100 btc fish A and 1 btc fish B
mircea_popescu: A stands to gain .5 and to lose 50, B to gain 50 and lose .5
mircea_popescu: the odds are 1:101 for B to win and 100:101 for A to win.
smickles: half the enemy is taken as winnings, and 90% of winnings go to you
smickles: but it's: enemy*chance*.5*.9 >= self*chance*.5
mircea_popescu: you realise you can just simplify "chance" out of that ?
smickles: yeah, now that I have all the data in there
smickles: self-chance = 1-enemy-chance tho
mircea_popescu: anyway, enemy weight * your chance to bite it should always be equal to your own weight.
smickles: if i've done it right, it makes sense to attack an 11 or higher fish when you are .1
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20850 @ 0.00050672 = 10.5651 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: the reason it makes sense to attack a large fish if you have more money than his weight is gambler's ruin
smickles: but you wouldn't expect to profit if the odds are a certain way
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11650 @ 0.00050672 = 5.9033 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32600 @ 0.00050903 = 16.5944 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4700 @ 0.00051058 = 2.3997 BTC [+]
smickles: according to my math, if the fish is 10, and you repeatedly go after it with a .1 fish, you should lose over the long haul average
smickles: and that's assuming I have the correct data to begin with
smickles: it could be dutch booked or something
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21150 @ 0.00050548 = 10.6909 BTC [-]
smickles: thestringpuller: but it's not gambling, it's advertising :)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9600 @ 0.00050689 = 4.8661 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8440 @ 0.00051058 = 4.3093 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3760 @ 0.00051064 = 1.92 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14000 @ 0.00050689 = 7.0965 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18349 @ 0.00050548 = 9.2751 BTC [-]
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 593 @ 0.0005035 = 0.2986 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13521 @ 0.00050336 = 6.8059 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13311 @ 0.00050323 = 6.6985 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2627 @ 0.00309664 = 8.1349 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2843 @ 0.00309982 = 8.8128 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 4530 @ 0.00313301 = 14.1925 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2270 @ 0.00313301 = 7.1119 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 130 @ 0.00339944 = 0.4419 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33889 @ 0.00050323 = 17.054 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15511 @ 0.00050251 = 7.7944 BTC [-]
dub: nefario is one unlucky fish
jcpham: splish splash i was taking a bath
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3489 @ 0.00050251 = 1.7533 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14931 @ 0.00050224 = 7.4989 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6319 @ 0.00050224 = 3.1737 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4481 @ 0.00050139 = 2.2467 BTC [-]
smickles: mircea_popescu: direct from sealswithclubs, when i asked who freemoney was "Hi Michael, I own and manage Seals and often handle customer support."
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35019 @ 0.00050139 = 17.5582 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1231 @ 0.00050051 = 0.6161 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 6000 @ 0.00337149 = 20.2289 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: Fox News claims in an exclusive report published this week that among the global taxes slated to be considered by the UN this year are a 1 percent tax on billionaires around the world, a “tiny” tax on all financial transactions worldwide and even yet another fee tacked on to already heavily-taxed airline tickets.
smickles: that thing they thought of after seeing hitler fail?
jcpham: smickles some might argue hitler was successful
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 4350 @ 0.00339944 = 14.7876 BTC [+]
Namjies: Can someone explain how the UN can enforce taxing billionaires around the world? >.>
mircea_popescu: anyone still extending credit to a government these days is absolutely loony.
mircea_popescu: just sell the fucking tbills and forget govts even exist.
mircea_popescu: let them loan themselves imaginary money till they're blue in the ballsack.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10500 @ 0.0005068 = 5.3214 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29177 @ 0.0005068 = 14.7869 BTC [+]
sgornick: Looking at coinbr.com for the first time ... I see the dashboard but how would I create an order? (I have not funded the account, if that matters.)
Namjies: I'm building a rocket. Leaving this rock. Anyone with me?
sgornick: mircea_popescu: Does coinbr allow orders for MPOE options too?
rdponticelli: But you can't do much on the site without a balance...
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8540 @ 0.00051064 = 4.3609 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3970 @ 0.00051069 = 2.0274 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2750 @ 0.00050677 = 1.3936 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6550 @ 0.00050676 = 3.3193 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27700 @ 0.00050195 = 13.904 BTC [-]
Azelphur: so many bitcoins that it's not even a number any more.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4550 @ 0.00050222 = 2.2851 BTC [+]
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18999 @ 0.00051072 = 9.7032 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3000 @ 0.00050215 = 1.5065 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22500 @ 0.00050214 = 11.2982 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: so is ANYONE left who's not working on, launching or trying to sell some sort of btc stock exchange ?
mircea_popescu: to think that only a few short months away everyone was pissing their pants thinking of the sec.
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28450 @ 0.00050491 = 14.3647 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10152 @ 0.00049851 = 5.0609 BTC [-]
Diablo-D3: dub: hey, are you still going to do your proxy when the block reward halves?
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17950 @ 0.00050251 = 9.0201 BTC [+]
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3159 @ 0.00051073 = 1.6134 BTC [+]
Ukto: mircea_popescu: the SEC stuff was all false speculation from the get go
Ukto: some of us never "pissed out pants" and did what we wanted from teh get go :P
Ukto: mircea_popescu: is there anyone else who has a btc stock exchange thats been created since that is ready to launch ?
mircea_popescu: im not even sure how many there are anymore. 12 ? 20 ?
Ukto: actually launched/usable? :P
Ukto: I saw one the other day that was ahorrid green color
Ukto: nah, someone had linked it
Ukto: I cant stand forums
Ukto: so I avoid them like the plague
mircea_popescu: anyway, i just looked. your thing is something more like that btcjam disaster than straight exchange
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12641 @ 0.00051073 = 6.4561 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8559 @ 0.00051141 = 4.3772 BTC [+]
Ukto: right now its almost a literal glbse clone
Ukto: the kickstarter stuff will be added later
Ukto: most ppl have told me they dont want something differnt.
Ukto: they just want what worked, and what they knew
Ukto: so I did it, in a fashionable way.
Diablo-D3: have you decided if you'll allow zero coupon non-collable company bonds?
Ukto: until I come up with a plan for it
Ukto: ppl can use all the other wannabe's to scam ppl with those for now
Diablo-D3: what about just limited allowance of them?
Ukto: considered it, just havent worked it all the way through yet
Ukto: jsut wanna focus on the core system right now
Diablo-D3: well, if I launch DMC 2.0, thats the way I want to go with funding I think
Ukto: still have a few more important things, but wont hold back launch
Ukto: your considering that?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41074 @ 0.00050679 = 20.8159 BTC [-]
Ukto: so far of the ppl who have their asset lists from nefario
Ukto: 2 are considering my system
Diablo-D3: I could issue them across multiple exchanges I think
Diablo-D3: or just issue them to exchanges directly and have them do whatever
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6479 @ 0.00050679 = 3.2835 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3950 @ 0.00050251 = 1.9849 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9220 @ 0.00049851 = 4.5963 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13918 @ 0.0004985 = 6.9381 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1995 @ 0.00049819 = 0.9939 BTC [-]
Diablo-D3: Ukto: what I was thinking was this
Diablo-D3: issue "real" certificates as digitally signed certs
Diablo-D3: all numbered and signed with a pgp key used only for this and then locked away in a vault
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29071 @ 0.00049959 = 14.5236 BTC [+]
Diablo-D3: since no interest is paid, I dont have to worry about that blowing up because some exchange went south
Diablo-D3: and since its non-callable, what its actually worth is set in stone
mircea_popescu: "The BitForce SC chip is now in final stage development. Initial product delivery is scheduled for November, 2012."
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10041 @ 0.00051141 = 5.1351 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9059 @ 0.00051148 = 4.6335 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3675 @ 0.00051148 = 1.8797 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10399 @ 0.00051184 = 5.3226 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11526 @ 0.00051208 = 5.9022 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11629 @ 0.00050676 = 5.8931 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1571 @ 0.00049819 = 0.7827 BTC [-]
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: doesnt matter at this point
Diablo-D3: even if they ship, its still forever a scam
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25050 @ 0.00049819 = 12.4797 BTC [-]
Diablo-D3: they failed to ship, they are a scam.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21363 @ 0.00049819 = 10.6428 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22887 @ 0.00049789 = 11.3952 BTC [-]
Ukto: in the end, I will let anyone attempt to create an asset, and write it up. I will personally decide weather to greenlight it or not.
Ukto: does anyone have an excerpt from GLBSE's api page? :/
Ukto: I need to double check some things
Ukto: been digging around, but my googlefu has failed me
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7960 @ 0.00051208 = 4.0762 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34984 @ 0.00051211 = 17.9157 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3400 @ 0.00049925 = 1.6975 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9800 @ 0.00049924 = 4.8926 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25418 @ 0.00051211 = 13.0168 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22182 @ 0.00051245 = 11.3672 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4194 @ 0.00051245 = 2.1492 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22815 @ 0.00051256 = 11.6941 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27091 @ 0.00051296 = 13.8966 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28600 @ 0.00049924 = 14.2783 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2945 @ 0.00049924 = 1.4703 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35655 @ 0.00049921 = 17.7993 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: but i admire the drive to do things properly for once.
mircea_popescu: (for once i don't mean about you, i mean about bitcoin in general)
gigavps: you should send mpoe-pr into my thread to quote you on that
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2079 @ 0.00049921 = 1.0379 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16713 @ 0.00049789 = 8.3212 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6687 @ 0.00049755 = 3.3271 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25950 @ 0.00049755 = 12.9114 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 327 @ 0.00325681 = 1.065 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6478 @ 0.00049912 = 3.2333 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20359 @ 0.00051296 = 10.4434 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6791 @ 0.000513 = 3.4838 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63809 @ 0.000513 = 32.734 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8441 @ 0.00051301 = 4.3303 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18900 @ 0.00051124 = 9.6624 BTC [-]
PsychoticBoy: in short I will not send ID, proof of residence or anything
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6790 @ 0.00051358 = 3.4872 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6532 @ 0.00051124 = 3.3394 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3350 @ 0.00050956 = 1.707 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27668 @ 0.00050305 = 13.9184 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7532 @ 0.00050305 = 3.789 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8213 @ 0.00049755 = 4.0864 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21379 @ 0.00049706 = 10.6266 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10900 @ 0.00049707 = 5.4181 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2071 @ 0.00049706 = 1.0294 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10541 @ 0.00049618 = 5.2302 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22800 @ 0.00049531 = 11.2931 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4088 @ 0.00049479 = 2.0227 BTC [-]
gigavps: i haven't been looking forward to this
mircea_popescu: "as a lawyer, I hereby promise to be a lawyer and behave accordingly to the rules. if I don't, with or without this useless declaration I am still held liable"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4000 @ 0.0004948 = 1.9792 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8400 @ 0.00049479 = 4.1562 BTC [-]
pigeons: "and if i i ever give advice like the law student nefario met in a sandwich shop, i will step down"
mircea_popescu: PsychoticBoy seems to me more like the recognition of how fucked up things are than any sort of loophole.
mircea_popescu: probably an ultimately doomed but otherwise brave attempt to plug all loopholes.
pigeons: giga likely paid a lot for his counsel, so he's likely to follow it
gigavps: pigeons you still in town?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20950 @ 0.00049844 = 10.4423 BTC [+]
Ukto: I concur, giga has or will be paying quite a bit for them to handle the volume
PsychoticBoy: I will take ABM/PGM to a lawyer too, send info or never get paid mwuhahaha
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11592 @ 0.00049479 = 5.7356 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24100 @ 0.00049478 = 11.9242 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2358 @ 0.00049453 = 1.1661 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: PsychoticBoy expect the laywer to want to be paid up front tho
PsychoticBoy: I can pay, thats not the point, Its the whole ¨its not my responsibility anymore go to my lawyer¨ thing that stings me
mircea_popescu: well people will have to at the very least sign a renounciation of claim
PsychoticBoy: giga is off, probably got to hot under his feet
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40500 @ 0.00049467 = 20.0341 BTC [+]
Ukto: he was the largest glbse asset
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22818 @ 0.00049844 = 11.3734 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22600 @ 0.00049919 = 11.2817 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9400 @ 0.00050348 = 4.7327 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34350 @ 0.00050348 = 17.2945 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27060 @ 0.00050348 = 13.6242 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16300 @ 0.00049896 = 8.133 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: I think part of the problem is that we’re looking at it from two different viewpoints. I’m looking for what’s going to help the Wikipedia article, and others are looking for what’s going to help the subject itself, Bitcoin.
mircea_popescu: these idiots think this little trick of framing the discussion is such pure unadulterated genius
mircea_popescu: uh-oh, make way for the wikiretard framing the discussion team.
mircea_popescu: #1 reason nobody of any worth bothers with that spamsite.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 682 @ 0.00049896 = 0.3403 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7118 @ 0.00049509 = 3.5241 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31258 @ 0.00050348 = 15.7378 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26950 @ 0.00049961 = 13.4645 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7250 @ 0.00050348 = 3.6502 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 940 @ 0.00050348 = 0.4733 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53200 @ 0.00050712 = 26.9788 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6010 @ 0.00051358 = 3.0866 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12450 @ 0.00051358 = 6.3941 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17600 @ 0.00049755 = 8.7569 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9200 @ 0.00050587 = 4.654 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 468 @ 0.00049755 = 0.2329 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: so who was saying i'm in for a loads of pressure from the sec ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38395 @ 0.00050608 = 19.4309 BTC [+]
smickles: <@rg> but im going to go ahead and merge bitvps >> my new job << what does this mean for s.bvps shareholders? Will they be bought out?
smickles: mircea_popescu: ^ from #bitvps
smickles: rg was last active there at 5:35 utc (it's now 18:30)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33850 @ 0.00049759 = 16.8434 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11582 @ 0.00049755 = 5.7626 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13618 @ 0.00049669 = 6.7639 BTC [-]
sgornick: > to think that only a few short months away everyone was pissing their pants thinking of the sec.
sgornick: "typical KickStarter deals won’t naturally transfer to equity crowdfunding and the vast majority of startup founders won’t receive any help at all from the JOBS Act"
sgornick: i.e., lots of need for these, as we decide technology can enable what the law won't.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33082 @ 0.00049669 = 16.4315 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19545 @ 0.00049509 = 9.6765 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5155 @ 0.00049768 = 2.5655 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6674 @ 0.00050072 = 3.3418 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32600 @ 0.00049509 = 16.1399 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: sgornick there's some huge problems with funding start-ups via btc however.
mircea_popescu: btc being able to help is by no means a foregone conclusion
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11600 @ 0.00049628 = 5.7568 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13500 @ 0.00049954 = 6.7438 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17230 @ 0.00049932 = 8.6033 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: smickles : "There were no "suspicious" motives involved here. I would have gladly thrown in MPEX had I remembered that it has BTC options available. That's it. I just overlooked you. I'm sorry. (And by the way it's fixed now)"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10950 @ 0.00049954 = 5.47 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11350 @ 0.00050072 = 5.6832 BTC [+]
smickles: mircea_popescu: heh, yeah. a part of me responded with BS, and another part wanted to respond with "well, I put it that way because it was just a little sensational"
mircea_popescu: your blogger career is starting pretty good if mag journalists are already apologizing to you
mircea_popescu: anyway, i think someone sorta-competent bought a chunk of bitfinex interest or some sort of deal
smickles: according to my log, i started with about 100 'unique' visitors, and it has been doubling every day since
smickles: if the trend holds, in a month, the entire planet should be reading my blog
smickles: < PsychoticBoy> gigavps << scammer tag request @ theymos
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5770 @ 0.00049932 = 2.8811 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49761 @ 0.00049509 = 24.6362 BTC [-]
JWU42: PsychoticBoy: that seems a bit extreme
PsychoticBoy: not extreme, a lawyer taking over<< thats extreme
JWU42: So if YABMC were to follow a similar claims process then I egt a scammer tag too ;)
PsychoticBoy: He fed himself with my btc so now its time to pay
PsychoticBoy: I have 300btc in yabmc and more than 500 btc in Giga
PsychoticBoy: He got the shareholders info so.... he can pay us
PsychoticBoy: giga`s lawyer does not need my ID to pay me back so whats the point
PsychoticBoy: before asking a scammer tag i n public, I will make a thread in the staff forum and let the staff vote
PsychoticBoy: thats what i think, He covers his ass and does not pay shit, << scammer action
dub: that is fucking gold
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23000 @ 0.00050072 = 11.5166 BTC [+]
PsychoticBoy: hmmmnz should not be long till someone hires a hitman on tor
PsychoticBoy: this kinda scamming action makes my blood boil
smickles: "What I don't understand is why S.DICE is going to IPO on this penny-ante exchange instead of GLBSE. I think that Mr. E.V.'s ideological fetishes might be putting the business sensibilities in the back seat. Which is dangerous for investors."
PsychoticBoy: Still hoping Gigavps will make up his mind and just pay divs and final buyback to our addresses
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24370 @ 0.00049509 = 12.0653 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6268 @ 0.00049502 = 3.1028 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1day: 0.00309664 / 0.00323838 / 0.00339944 (33993 shares, 110.08 BTC), 30day: 0.00180002 / 0.00332148 / 0.0034 (903448 shares, 3,000.79 BTC)
smickles: it hit .0034 in the past 30 days, eh?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22600 @ 0.00049602 = 11.2101 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17200 @ 0.00049745 = 8.5561 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3570 @ 0.00050072 = 1.7876 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1432 @ 0.00049502 = 0.7089 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6198 @ 0.00049467 = 3.066 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: there is a funny aspect of the entire glbse thing. the mylawyr people specialise in :
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5242 @ 0.00050072 = 2.6248 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14400 @ 0.0005051 = 7.2734 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53400 @ 0.00050596 = 27.0183 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2400 @ 0.00050625 = 1.215 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33500 @ 0.00050625 = 16.9594 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3300 @ 0.00050662 = 1.6718 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18188 @ 0.00050662 = 9.2144 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22550 @ 0.00050852 = 11.4671 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5412 @ 0.00051349 = 2.779 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28988 @ 0.00051349 = 14.885 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28550 @ 0.00051358 = 14.6627 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27962 @ 0.00051363 = 14.3621 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30700 @ 0.00051278 = 15.7423 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9385 @ 0.00050726 = 4.7606 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1644 @ 0.00050542 = 0.8309 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16806 @ 0.0005025 = 8.445 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: GLBSE'D Definition: You invest coins in a bitcoin project and that project uses your coins to hire a lawyer who proceeds to use legal avenues to make it practically impossible you will get your bitcoins back.
mircea_popescu: pity the glbbq name is too long and so it'll never take
matthewh3: I'm moving RSM to -
https://btct.co - they email the asset issuer a full shareholders list every twelve hours. So no problem if the exchange ever goes dark. There based in Belize and have a lawyer.
mircea_popescu: what happens if you lose the email box/someone jacks it ?
matthewh3: I use Gmail with a very secure password.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15869 @ 0.0005031 = 7.9837 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7865 @ 0.00050726 = 3.9896 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9735 @ 0.00051153 = 4.9797 BTC [+]
matthewh3: but when I log-in its HTTPS so my password is safe.
mircea_popescu: "the only thing that comes up for "Christmas" on bitmit is a Canadian silver coin."
mircea_popescu: jesus fuck, what is the point of making a black friday event
mircea_popescu: if then xmas is going to plow right into your nude ass ?
matthewh3: plus I'd only ever use a Windoze PC that is locked down like in a library.
gigavps: PsychoticBoy if you would like to say things about me, say them when I'm here
smickles: some guy doing a martingale got lucky, then lost it
gigavps: gamblers only talk when they win
smickles: he hawa all coy, like, "i won't tell you how I was betting"
smickles: then dooglas posted a tx log, and was liek " 'tis you bro"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38652 @ 0.00051153 = 19.7717 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7631 @ 0.0005031 = 3.8392 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9794 @ 0.0005025 = 4.9215 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20375 @ 0.00049745 = 10.1355 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2925 @ 0.00049745 = 1.455 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18100 @ 0.00049679 = 8.9919 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 375 @ 0.00049566 = 0.1859 BTC [-]
PsychoticBoy: You re up for scammer tag, since you have shareholders data and thus are able to pay up
PsychoticBoy: and after that you probably see the same future as trendon shavers
gigavps: i am trying to pay people legally
PsychoticBoy: so best thing is to just pay to the addresses in the info you got from glbse
PsychoticBoy: yes and obtained most funds from illigal activities
gigavps: i'm sorry you feel this way
PsychoticBoy: no you are tricking ppl with your unsigned lawyer note
PsychoticBoy: I can pay 2k on tor to hunt you down but I wont
PsychoticBoy: I wait till you get back to your senses and pay just like its meant to be
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7330 @ 0.00050282 = 3.6857 BTC [+]
PsychoticBoy: at this point no one in the right mind would do all 6 points mentiont in the mail
PsychoticBoy: probably point 6 is impossible so there you go
gigavps: should be pretty easy to write a note that said you own the bonds and the bitcoin addy
PsychoticBoy: because it requires notoried, would cost you lots of euro`s
gigavps: well, that is your assumption
smickles: wow, notorizing is expensive in europe?
gigavps: many people have already submitted the info
smickles: i know a few accountants who offer it at no charge
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4920 @ 0.00050282 = 2.4739 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25580 @ 0.00050703 = 12.9698 BTC [+]
gigavps: PsychoticBoy tbe only person keeping you from making the claim is you
PsychoticBoy: I will let the staff of bitcointalk vote for you to be marked as scammer before making a public scammer tag request, cause these requirements make no sense at all
PsychoticBoy: I did not need an ID to buy from you so I wont need it now
PsychoticBoy: so you took my money and now walks unless..... strange
smickles: heh, tell that to mtgox when you hit their aml limits
jcpham: gigavpa i owned like over 9000 gigamining bonds
jcpham: i doubt gigavps is scammy
PsychoticBoy: I am almost at the point to invest another 2k btc in giga
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4820 @ 0.00050703 = 2.4439 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21280 @ 0.00051153 = 10.8854 BTC [+]
smickles: "I wrote earlier “That characteristic being that early adopters are benifited greater than the latecomers. But this can be said of any appreciating asset.” in reference to the only submitted evidence for Bitcoin being anything near a ponzi scheme in the statements citations.
smickles: If it can be said about any appreciating asset, how is it noteworthy?"
smickles: "And how do you expect anyone to find a reliable source pointing this out about the vast majority of appreciating assets?"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15250 @ 0.00049846 = 7.6015 BTC [-]
smickles: SudoGhost (as expected) ignoring the point of my comment
mircea_popescu: smickles i'd guess it's anywhere from free to 50 or so euros here
smickles: 50 euro must get you a hight quality stamp impression from the notary
smickles: I can't imagine this giga issue would require anything above the 'inked rubber stamp' variety tho
smickles: if you only have 5 bonds then the effort to maintain a secure wallet is a higher cost than the value of the bonds
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9550 @ 0.0005091 = 4.8619 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25250 @ 0.00050971 = 12.8702 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42550 @ 0.00050389 = 21.4405 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10008 @ 0.00050845 = 5.0886 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30200 @ 0.00051318 = 15.498 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17342 @ 0.00050962 = 8.8378 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4908 @ 0.00050703 = 2.4885 BTC [-]
dub: fishgame jumped the shark eh?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10498 @ 0.00050703 = 5.3228 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1630 @ 0.00325681 = 5.3086 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 5200 @ 0.00328979 = 17.1069 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 170 @ 0.00334934 = 0.5694 BTC [+]
smickles: …to mr voorhees getting more btc 'in his pockt'
smickles: it probably is ment as a rolling 365 days
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12489 @ 0.00050389 = 6.2931 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19861 @ 0.00050278 = 9.9857 BTC [-]
smickles: "While it has been said that the ECB report doesn't deny or disprove that Bitcoin is a Ponzi scheme, it doesn't accuse it of being a Ponzi either. The Reuters source is just a headline (as far as it saying anyone even mentions Ponzi and Bitcoin in the same sentence). Headlines are often written by people other than the article's author for the purpose of attracting eyeballs, not communicating relevant information. The other citation (currently us
mircea_popescu: Born in 2007 as a Second Life insurance company, The Rock has evolved in a full featured virtual financial institution. Based in US, founded by EU citizens, run by long-standing virtual experts.
smickles: Based in US, founded by EU citizens, << dam ferriners
mircea_popescu: ftr, the entire "blogs are not a source" like of wikipedia, while they take utter junk such as news sites into account...
mircea_popescu: there's no newspaper in the world that can compete with the top blogs. in any respect.
smickles: yeah, the line should be drawn at quality, not labels
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 500 @ 0.00334934 = 1.6747 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: any newspaper has to do 1.5x more than any blog for the same attention.
Namjies: Eh, so are requirements for claiming Gigamining shares bothering you, Mircea?
smickles: oh yeah, are you making the claime for the etf?
Namjies: Glad to know I'm not the only one which doesn't bother.
smickles: Namjies: you expected otherwise?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18002 @ 0.00050536 = 9.0975 BTC [+]
Namjies: I am unsure why the claim would not be made.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27247 @ 0.00050969 = 13.8875 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1487 @ 0.00051318 = 0.7631 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14719 @ 0.00051363 = 7.5601 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6732 @ 0.00051369 = 3.4582 BTC [+]
smickles: I have an idea, but at a low confidence interval
mircea_popescu: we're not in backwards world, we're in straightwards world. why would it be made ?
Namjies: Because you don't write off an account because it requires administrative procedures or otherwise? Who voids funds/value because of procedures?
smickles: Why would it be made? To recover value which was previously deemed lost
mircea_popescu: the problem here is this : the etf was an instrument to pass along value as conveyed
mircea_popescu: it wasn't an instrument to jump through random hoops and then pass along the value thus obtained.
Namjies: "The Owner will never own less shares of the underlying than the total float of this asset implies."
mircea_popescu: thus, no collect money from investors -> make upgrades
mircea_popescu: no preparation of legal documents and mailing, no other random shit.
Namjies: Gigavps never discontinued the shares.
Namjies: The etf states "The Owner will never own less shares of the underlying than the total float of this asset implies."
smickles: well, mircea_popescu never stopped owning the shares then
Namjies: GLBSE was discontinued. The contract does not state the shares ahve to be on GLBSE.
Namjies: It simply states 5 mhash/s bonds, which are not discontinued by Gigavps.
mircea_popescu: i don't think you get to randomly create an imaginary vehicle just because the actual vehicle imploded.
Namjies: So if someone assaults you and MPEx servers rendering it incapable to continue operations, all "financial vehicles implodes" and have no value whatsoever?
mircea_popescu: depends how contracts are made out, but i'd expect mpex-share derivatives to die there yes
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Namjies: There's a difference between the financial vehicle and it's exchange... an exchange can close or expel a specific stock.
mircea_popescu: well, "an" is inappropriate, and mpex comparison is inappropriate.
Namjies: You still own the stocks and can claim them. It's just not on the usual exchange anymore.
mircea_popescu: Namjies suppose for the sake of argument gigavps simply asked for 1 penny per share registration fee.
Namjies: The fact GLBSE doesn't deserve the appelation of an exchange because it was so bad doesn't change the fact it worked as such.
Namjies: You can't charge for registration of stock you already own.
Namjies: Gigavps simply requires people to identify themselves when claiming their shares.
Namjies: He's not charging anything.
Namjies: There's always paperwork involved when moving off of an exchange.
Namjies: The ETF contract has no conditional clause that it's execution requires GLBSE to be the platform where the bonds are exchanged or that the bonds must be issued on an exchange for the ETF to be honored.
mircea_popescu: well, it had a (details) clause that included all that.
mircea_popescu: The owner of this ETF holds 900 perpetual 5.0Mh/s bonds (details),
Namjies: Aye... you mean the gigavps thread?
Namjies: It never stated that to be honored, those bonds required GLBSE either.
Namjies: The bonds are off an exchange now. Securities don't have to be on an exchange.
mircea_popescu: well, they in principle don't have to, all things are in principle possible. these, however, were.
Namjies: They were on an exchange, yes. Now they got dropped off of it.
Namjies: They remain legitimate bonds.
Namjies: The issuer is still honoring them. Do you have any statement to the effect Gigavps will not honor them or claimed he won't pay them?
Namjies: Would you like to confirm with GigaVPS that the bonds remain valid?
mircea_popescu: no, the question is, do you have a statement from the issuer of the thing you're discussing saying that the thing you're discussing is going to behave in the manner you're proposing.
Namjies: Paying 5 mhash/s perpetually?
mircea_popescu: that in the event glbse goes away the thing still carries as if nothing happened.
mircea_popescu: or that in the event that glbse goes away, issuer will do "anything" or "do X" to obtain private registration
Namjies: What do you think he is doing? He's attributing bonds to each holder to continue honoring their coupons as usual.
mircea_popescu: you've made some presupositions which aren't borne by the facts, but would prefer to present these as fact.
Namjies: Well you should ask Gigavps then to verify that.
mircea_popescu: other, of course, the fact that he's not so far sending money.
smickles: the way that lawyer letter looked, 'gigamining' was a glbse only thing of another company
smickles: btw, i'm still waiting on my llc docs :(
mircea_popescu: really, the cost to me to get to the legal bottom of this would easily eat up the value of the etf
mircea_popescu: i guess i could do that, but then i'd have to make shareholders pay the difference somehow.
Namjies: Technically, your ETF doesn't contractually require the shares to be on GLBSE or any exchange. It says "The Owner will never own less shares of the underlying than the total float of this asset implies." No conditional statement. As such if bonds remain valid and your property, you have to claim them.
smickles: it's 'waiting to be examined' received on the 13th
mircea_popescu: o hey, right under $$$ $AVE WITH CLEAN AZ CARPET CLEANING
mircea_popescu: Namjies : i'm not doing affidavits as a proxy for anyone just cause you figure i should.
smickles: lol, 'smi concepts' and 'smi concepts 2'
mircea_popescu: the practical options are either i spend something which on a rough estimate is about 8k to get the thing thoroughly looked into,
Namjies: For anyone? You're the ETF owner who owns the shares. You're not proxying.
mircea_popescu: srsly, just because you imagine things a certain way doesn't mean they are a certain way.
Namjies: I'm not imagining it, it's what the ETF claims.
Namjies: >>The Owner<< will never own less shares of the underlying than the total float of this asset implies.
Namjies: You're the owner who owns the shares.
Namjies: You still own the bonds and GigaVPS intends to pay on them.
Namjies: You technically have the duty to collect those coupons and dispense them.
mircea_popescu: where in the contract does it say that "even if more fees, costs or proceedures will be imposed, the issuer will complete these"
Namjies: "Any and all revenue paid by the underlying will be distributed to the shareholders of this asset without remainder."
mircea_popescu: there you go. did i receive revenue i've not distributed ?
Namjies: You technically have but you're not claiming them.
mircea_popescu: it doesn't say "all revenue paid will be distributed and all revenue offered for claim will be claimed"
mircea_popescu: and if tomorrow gigavps comes up with a 10x dividend payment if i sleep with him, irrespective of what you may think my duty is, i ain't sleeping with him either.
smickles: c'mon, one little bj for the shareholders?
Namjies: He's not asking any payment either, simply to identify yourself officially.
smickles: that sounds like payment to me :/
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Namjies: If you say so. You may value it.
mircea_popescu: well, he's asking to identify myself in a particular way
smickles: i dunno, mircea_popescu it is a little shocking that you arn't trying to recover the value there
mircea_popescu: which, because of it's nature, imposes a cost on my part, which isn't trivial, cause i have to put lawyers at work.
smickles: hmm, good point, it would be weighed against the cost
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mircea_popescu: i'd be much surprised if the entire series is actually worth 300 btc right now.
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mircea_popescu: by the time the stuff is actually processed and alll... heh.
mircea_popescu: eventually someone brings asics to the table. maybe not this month, maybe not the next.
Namjies: "where in the contract does it say that "even if more fees, costs or proceedures will be imposed, the issuer will complete these""
smickles: Namjies: that would be the fiduciary responsibility
Namjies: I'd consider it a breach of contract. Being on the receiving end of that contract, any undefined situation should be treated in my favor unless a conditional clause goes against that.
mircea_popescu: heh. i don't think you can get that much mileage out of this.
smickles: Namjies: so you expect him to pay the expenses out of pocket?
mircea_popescu: Namjies when did you buy these ? (i presume you actually have some ?)
smickles: Namjies: maybe just show your STAT to the lawyer guy and you can get the gigamining shares directly
smickles: it should be easy enough to explain tho
Namjies: I think he's grossly exaggerating the fee to make an affidavit... but yes. He states he will never own less shares than the float. That should be done regardless of requirements if the shares remain valid.
mircea_popescu: anyway, the fiduciary duty is mostly : to not have conflicting duties, to not profit by fiduciary position
smickles: I mean in Namjies argument, if they still exist, then mircea_popescu never stopped owning them
Namjies: The GLBSE is gone. I'm pretty sure we went over the fact the bonds do not require GLBSE to exist.
mircea_popescu: but to the point : when did you actually buy these shares ?
Namjies: As such, all stocks/stocks/etc. require an exchange to exist?
smickles: ok then, mircea_popescu still owns the bonds, giga has an address to send cupons to, why is it mircea's fault the dividends arn't being sent?
Namjies: I don't recall the date. Over a month ago I believe.
Namjies: smickles: It's not his fault, it's GLBSE's. GigaVPS has to identify the claimers as GLBSE data cannot be fully trusted.
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Namjies: Regardless if it's his fault or not, Mircea should honor the contract as stated, regardless of requirements. There's no exception/discharge of responsibility in various situations for the ETF manager.
mircea_popescu: <mircea_popescu> but to the point : when did you actually buy these shares ? <<<
Namjies: That's basically the same argument I had against Patrick Harnett when I was defending you Mircea against Joel Katz.
Namjies: Because Patrick simply stated that deposits could be withdrawn anytime.
Namjies: That the deposits are lost didn't matter as per the contract.
Namjies: [19:45] <Namjies> I don't recall the date. Over a month ago I believe.
Namjies: No. As far as I'm concerned, all bonds, shares, etc. on GLBSE would remain valid, even without an exchange.
mircea_popescu: so you bought a distressed asset on a vague contract and didn't ask
mircea_popescu: on the theory that then you can claim vague should be construed in your favour ?
Namjies: Well the financial vehicle and the place they are traded are 2 different entities.
mircea_popescu: looky. had you gotten lucky and things went smooth with giga, you'd have made some money, i imagine.
mircea_popescu: it didn't work out. that's business. no point in raising nonsensical arguments out of it.
smickles: mircea_popescu: do you have an opinion on these asic thingies?
Namjies: So you're pulling a Joel Katz argument on me? Since it would cause a loss to you to manage the ETF, I should eat the loss too?
smickles: do they seem worthwhile to purchase to you?
mircea_popescu: i'm not pulling anything. you expect something to happen. i ask why,. you say cause you expect it. i say ok.
Namjies: So keeping ownership of the bonds and keeping payments going should be dropped because it involves administrative/legal fees?
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smickles: mircea_popescu: because mining is such a low margin activity?
mircea_popescu: smickles i suspect there's going to be a "real" asic run
mircea_popescu: blowing the current hacked-together stuff out of water.
smickles: ah, one not offered to the public?
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mircea_popescu: <Namjies> So keeping ownership of the bonds and keeping payments going should be dropped because it involves administrative/legal fees? <<< should any admin/legal fees be expended whatsoever to guarantee someone's shares ?
mircea_popescu: smickles i imagine towards the end of the year someone's finally going to make a proper asic run.
Namjies: Yes, considering managing the ETF is your responsibility.
Namjies: There was no clause discharging you of any responsibility to that matter in case fees would be involved.
mircea_popescu: i specifically said, even here iirc to you, that i'm not doing anything actively
mircea_popescu: that was about the upgrade i think, back in august or w/e
Namjies: Ah, but the upgrade is a different matter.
Namjies: It was to exchange the bonds for another asset, in exchange of a fee.
Namjies: You have no obligation to convert a bond into a new bond.
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Namjies: Under a different agreement.
Namjies: In this case the bond has not changed.
mircea_popescu: so if it has not changed then i don't need to do anything.
Namjies: Yes, administrative tasks.
Namjies: One was exchanging ONE security PLUS a fee (Gigamining 5 mhash/s bond + 0.29 BTC) for ANOTHER, COMPLETLY DIFFERENT security (Teramining bonds)
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Namjies: The other is identifiying yourself through a claim for the same existing bond (Gigamining).
Namjies: Those two scenarios are different. It's not wordplay.
Namjies: It remains a gigamining bond paying 5 mhash/s perpetually.
Namjies: So it's not a new security. It's the same, except it moved off an exchange.
Namjies: Moving off an exchange creates a new identical security, according to you?
Namjies: Which is not the same, just identical?
Namjies: That it would somehow be a "new" security, with an identical contract but that doesn't relate at all to the previous one on the exchange.
mircea_popescu: in general it would depend on the particulars. in the particulars of all glbse securities, this is true, any reconstruction either private or on a new exchange is a new security.
Namjies: Well I disagree on that point. When an exchange drops an asset, it usually remains the same asset. An ETF holding it would have to keep the shares even if it implies more administrative costs in managing their ownership off an exchange.
mircea_popescu: the case of exchanges dropping assets is irrelevant. glbse had not the ability to do that.
mircea_popescu: and no, when shares go off the exchanges into the pink sheets the funds do not keep them.
Namjies: Well then, you should sell your claim to them.
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mircea_popescu: they weren't. they were just destroyed, practically speaking.
Namjies: technically, the exchange didn't drop them. The exchange was closed definitly.
Namjies: Forcing all assets on it out. Not voiding them.
mircea_popescu: this is what you'd like it to be. whether it actually is ... well...
Namjies: So all GLBSE asset issuers are entitled to not pay any shareholders anymore, is that what you claim?
mircea_popescu: the fact that people still expect to be paid... well... of course they do, people always do. but they have pretty much no claim to it.
Namjies: Because any holder would be hard pressed to prove ownership? The official data is being released.
Namjies: As far as I'm concerned, that's good enough for claims.
mircea_popescu: the correct civil avenue is : all shareholders sue glbse.
mircea_popescu: since glbse is not solvent this is a moot point however.
mircea_popescu: i don't see why you think it's good enough for claims. what weigh does it have ?
Namjies: It's basically the premise of GLBSE as the very poor ownership proof system it had. That GLBSE's records is the ownership proof.
mircea_popescu: how do you on the basis of this proof of yours disprove his claim ?
Namjies: Same for official stock exchanges... ownership is what the records say.
smickles: 01:08 < Namjies> Well then, you should sell your claim to them. << offer him any amount
pigeons: glbse records were provided by someone with an official scarlett letter of the forums though
Namjies: Yes, GLBSE records are far less documented.
mircea_popescu: smickles sadly the "do not further assign thing" fucks this.
Namjies: In both case, ownership is the records tho.
smickles: aw, i was going to bid 0.001btc
mircea_popescu: something doesn't become acceptable just because it's the only straw you have Namjies
mircea_popescu: a "proof of ownership" that fails to disprove contrary claim is no such proof.
mircea_popescu: and i don't dispute the released lists are some indication of ownership
Namjies: So what do you require to act at all on anything? Personal benefit or not interested?
mircea_popescu: the very reason people are stuck with messes such as giga's is exactly that : they find themselves in a situation where they have to assign other people's propetyu
mircea_popescu: i'd have to research as what i'm accepting them. i'd have to research how can i handle them once accepted. i'd prolly have to take them off mpex. on it goes.
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Namjies: I am uncertain why. It seems you only want to avoid any procedure/work/costs at any price.He simply requires you identify yourself along with a notarized claim that you own X shares.
mircea_popescu: then a month or so down the road they run you into a wall
Namjies: The ETF's owner listed is Mircea Popescu, not MPEx, according to the ETF page.
mircea_popescu: do you understand why i'd want a lawyer to research and report as to whether i'd better claim as a real person or as a legal person ?
Namjies: Yes. For protecting yourself.
mircea_popescu: so in short : i'm glad you see a duty of care for the btc thing. i don't see why you imagine it can be extended into this "free anything forever" construction.
mircea_popescu: and for the record, i'd be rather surprised if what giga offers actually is a weekly btc payout.
mircea_popescu: the logical thing would be for him to offer a dollar settlement to all applicants.
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Namjies: But being listed as the owner and manager of the ETF, dropping the bonds altogether because it involves legal fees doesn't seem to be the best way to do that. The ETF's manager legal liability and related costs are not ETF holders concerns.
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mircea_popescu: they are, insamuch as they arise from the actual issuer.
Namjies: Those fees would be extra to protect yourself through consultation regarding the claim process.
mircea_popescu: basically, the way this worked out is this : i had X owned by Y on exchange Z. exchange Z dissapeared, destroying the records of X. there's some indication of the ownership on the basis of which Y wants to create unspecified something which you assume is X'.
mircea_popescu: now if you imagine that i will out of my own time and money a) go through whatever hoops Y comes up with and b) pay counsel to advise as to whether those hoops are safe
mircea_popescu: it's true the etf holders can't be held for those fees.
Namjies: Hmm... is fees incured by an ETF supposed to be shared among the holders.
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Namjies: Or is the ETF issuer responsible for such fees, would be the question.
Namjies: Usually an ETF issuer should have management fees charged to the fund and be responsible for incurred fees related to it's management.
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Namjies: Although this ETF charged nothing at all.
mircea_popescu: it charged nothing and it did nothing other than split up all payments received.
mircea_popescu: that was the original idea, and for the very reason that anything else is too difficult to spell out in a contract.
mircea_popescu: i still think this is the correct way to make such a passthrough thing
Namjies: Well fine. I'd say so too. I don't believe it's fair to require you to incur the fee now required after GLBSE's fiasco. But the need for simple thing, I still say it doesn't excuse you would have required a proper contract where you had protective clauses for yourself.
smickles: fees are totally shared by the etf holders, it's usually communicated by an expense ratio
Namjies: Hmm, but does this applies to all ETF or is it how ETF contracts are usually layed out?
Namjies: Could an ETF charge a management fee and assume all management/legal costs in their contract?
smickles: the etf contracts i've read don't explicitly mention the fee
mircea_popescu: kinda the reason index funds outperform managed funds, that fee.
Namjies: Well I'll default on assuming it was an automatic/index one since you didn't charge a fee, even if not specified as such.
smickles: Namjies: thing is, as described, the giga.etf wasn't actually an etf
mircea_popescu: spvs are these vehicles created in derivative trades rto insulate the parties
mircea_popescu: A makes SPV A1, B makes SPV B1, then B1 and A1 enter the contract
mircea_popescu: the SPVs can go bankrupt without touching A or B, and also their assets are off-balancesheet
Namjies: Hmm... well Gigavps lawyer is in charge of this claim process and claims are sent to him.
Namjies: I could always check with him if I can make a second claim for my interest in the ETF.
mircea_popescu: didn;t you hold a bunch of giga on glbse too ? or am i confused
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Namjies: GPG signed statements are technically valid legally and I have the signed contract and the signed statement.
mircea_popescu: Namjies you mean the contract as displayed on the etf ?
mircea_popescu: you can try, but gigamining would i imagine point out that it was assigned glbse shares, which is true.
Namjies: Let me guess, you have not provided GLBSE an email & BTC address? As such you're not even on Gigavps's list to start with?
Namjies: Or did you provide that, assuming Gigavps would pay without further requirements?
Namjies: If you don't have an account, then it's the GLBSE account owner who technically has to make the claim. He was the one proxying for you who was proxying for the ETF holders.
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Namjies: The claim has to be made associated with the BTC address provided to GLBSE.
Namjies: As such I could simply claim with my signed statement from MPEx directly with that person, assuming that person will be making the claim.
Namjies: Especially if that person didn't hold shares strictly for you.
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Namjies: So they'd have to make the claim strictly for you...
Namjies: Well basically, anyone can make a claim.
mircea_popescu: no, what i'm saying is, this detail is not important, i could actually make the claim as well as they could.
mircea_popescu: November 20 Hey all, I am attempting to start a new business where people can buy and sell bitcoins easily and safely
mircea_popescu: MPOE-PR points him to the "wanna start a business thread"
mircea_popescu: November 21 Thanks for the suggestion. So far we have been pretty successful doing a bunch of transactions
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Namjies: Well Mircea, could you at least let me know if the person holding shares for you on GLBSE will claim them?
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Namjies: Ok, so no one is claiming them.
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Namjies: Ah, income tax is annoying and complex. And too much exceptions and special cases.
Namjies: If a government is bent on providing services to the population and public infrastructure, I'd prefer it's budget be levied through a large property tax and luxury tax.
Namjies: Might achieve just the same thing, except it would be easier to manage for everyone and harder to evade.
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1832 @ 0.00051415 = 0.9419 BTC [+]
Chaang-Noi: honestly im shocked giga is doing this
Chaang-Noi: he will be acting as a broker more or less
Chaang-Noi: well i guess he is not letting the stuff trade...
mircea_popescu: i dunno where people get the idea they will receive some replacement bond
Chaang-Noi: i dont think giga got a lawyer as good as mine...
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21950 @ 0.00050571 = 11.1003 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6800 @ 0.00050464 = 3.4316 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10106 @ 0.0005046 = 5.0995 BTC [-]
Chaang-Noi: the SEC might still go after giga for what he is doing
Diablo-D3: what, if he buys back all the assets?
Chaang-Noi: he is changing the deal... that wont fly well, he should have just tried to keep the old one, and told people to deal with GLBSE...
Chaang-Noi: if he buys them all back, and people are okay with the price that might work, im not sure
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27400 @ 0.00051415 = 14.0877 BTC [+]
PsychoticBoy: he got 2 options: 1 pay up or 2 feel the consequences
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11259 @ 0.00050326 = 5.6662 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21683 @ 0.00050247 = 10.8951 BTC [-]
PsychoticBoy: I will invest as much btc a needed to...............
PsychoticBoy: at this point gigavps is stealing our money, he took my money without any ID or such, so paying me back would also not require any ID or such
PsychoticBoy: We all know who he really is so should be easier to hunt him than Trendon Shavers
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30233 @ 0.00050219 = 15.1827 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 667 @ 0.00050219 = 0.335 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7300 @ 0.00050186 = 3.6636 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22857 @ 0.00050181 = 11.4699 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 617 @ 0.00050126 = 0.3093 BTC [-]
pigeons: PsychoticBoy: how would he "pay you back"? at the mpex last 15 day price as the contract specifies?
pigeons: ok so he paid you back then
PsychoticBoy: last on mpex does not mean last on glbse as stated in contract, but beeside that no dividend etc
mircea_popescu: so how much do you figure one gigavps bond is worth atm ?
pigeons: PsychoticBoy: last 15 days on glbse (which the words glbse are not in the contract for htat) is still 0
pigeons: so he bought back your contract at 0, thanks nefario
PsychoticBoy: sure, keep talking shit, last trade on glbse was 0.78
pigeons: it doesnt say last trade, it says last 15 days, glbse has been closed more than 15 days
gigavps: what is your email address? how many bonds do you own?
PsychoticBoy: I did not auth so everyone could have said that
gigavps: please submit the information requested, and you'll be paid
PsychoticBoy: I own lots (probably more than 100 bonds incl FDBF
gribble: ??? (~Psychotic@pdpc/supporter/active/psychoticboy) has been on server kornbluth.freenode.net since 08:06 PM, November 22, 2012 (idle for 17 seconds) and is on #p2pool, #bitcoin-mining, #bitcoin-assets, and #bitcoin.
gigavps: pm me you email and i'll be sure to have my lawyer contact you on monday
PsychoticBoy: dont want to recieve the same email again with that .... story
mircea_popescu: <PsychoticBoy> I did not auth so everyone could have said that << ah come on.
PsychoticBoy: I am man enough to say I did say it but thats not the case
pigeons: someone stole your freenode password to threaten gigavps?
PsychoticBoy: I just want to recieve my outstanding div and final buyback
pigeons: seriously, how can he determine final buyback? ther is no last 15 days glbse
gigavps: PsychoticBoy how do you propose we decide on the final buyback?
PsychoticBoy: in the neightbourhoud of the last trade on glbse lets say 0.6 btc per bond and the outstanding div
gigavps: maybe we should use the last mpex trading price
gigavps: PsychoticBoy please submit the information requested
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31144 @ 0.00050126 = 15.6112 BTC [-]
PsychoticBoy: nope wont happen gigavps, I can give you my email and btc address and that would be it
pigeons: i like the guy on the forum who complained for a few pages and then at the end said, "does this mean my 2 shares of giga are gone?"
PsychoticBoy: thats the same info you got from glbse so that should be enough
gigavps: PsychoticBoy let me a least see if you are in the list
Diablo-D3: gigavps: I find it strange you hired a lawyer though
gigavps: if you go back 10 pages in the gigamining thread, there were multiple people asking me to get a lawyer
gigavps: Diablo-D3 why does it seem strange?
PsychoticBoy: you can get this email first and check this one: flyingdutchmanbitcoinfund@gmail.com
Diablo-D3: well, with DMC, Im going the route of telling my shareholders to go after GLBSE legally
Diablo-D3: I cant do it alone, even if DMC could afford a lawyer, it needs to be multiple independent complaints and suits against him
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20561 @ 0.00050126 = 10.3064 BTC [-]
gigavps: PsychoticBoy that email is not in either of the lists i have received
mircea_popescu: <gigavps> if you go back 10 pages in the gigamining thread, there were multiple people asking me to get a lawyer <<< lol
mircea_popescu: <Diablo-D3> I cant do it alone, even if DMC could afford a lawyer, it needs to be multiple independent complaints and suits against him << who told you this tho ?
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: erm, DMC _cant_ afford a lawyer.
mircea_popescu: i mean the math of multiple independent suits. do you think courts work by ballot ?
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: oh no, its just going to ruin him financially
Diablo-D3: he'll have to keep showing up to court and the moment he doesnt he loses
Diablo-D3: in the end, it still causes him massive legal trouble and essentially bankrupts him
Diablo-D3: not if the community wants to make a point
mircea_popescu: forget "the community". the community is a bunch of howlers, they all turn out if there's a catered party.
mircea_popescu: they all fling shit if they have to buy on their own a post stamp
mircea_popescu: "ALL current exchange operators, including those who make several thousand dollars a month, are small peanuts, and will come under this pressure." that sounds a little nefarious.
Diablo-D3: if they dont want to fight for their investment, then I cant help them
Diablo-D3: DMC cant sue nefario, and the only thing DMC do is make sure nefario never gets another chance to fuck people
Diablo-D3: so its not like the community has many options here
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Chaang-Noi: im not as in the loop as i once was, but iv not seen it posted anywhere...
Chaang-Noi: i meant this "MOTION TO QUASH SERVICE OF PROCESS FOR LACK OF PERSONAL JURISDICTION"
Chaang-Noi: they are trying to get out of it cuz they are not in NZ...
gigavps: mircea_popescu the initials of my business are in my handle
Chaang-Noi: they are saying the TOS says tehy have to sue in a NZ court so suing in SF is fail...
Chaang-Noi: i dont think it will go far, but phantomcircuit is 100% sure he will get paid his 60k usd legal fees...
Chaang-Noi: that is why there is a motion to quash...
mircea_popescu: he's not the first one to die bankrupt cause he was sure he'll get his legal fees back
Chaang-Noi: yeah he is fail, but the motion is to toss the case cuz he is saying the bitcoincia customers can only sue in NZ cuz TOS said so...
Chaang-Noi: i dont think many people know this, its not on the forum...
mircea_popescu: court won't quash a trial that names him just because it names some foreign corp
mircea_popescu: and besides, bitcoinica is getting taken out because of insolvency
mircea_popescu: so it'll be just amir, patrick and co plus does 1 through 99 plus nefario.
Chaang-Noi: i dont think you understand what im saying.
Chaang-Noi: yea im not talking about the suit, in talking about the newest motion
mircea_popescu: looky : someone sues X, Y and Z. X files a motion to quash the suit because Y can not be sued in tha jurisdiction.
mircea_popescu: it will remove Y anyway, cause of insolvency of Y. so the motion is toothless in all respects.
Chaang-Noi: its costing him a huge amount of money.
mircea_popescu: ya well not the fiest time he spent huge amounts on useless shit
Chaang-Noi: i personally think he is getting fucked over by his lawyers
Chaang-Noi: the lawyers made him pay first, never a good sign, lol
mircea_popescu: he could be fucking some chick with a law degree and no practice
Chaang-Noi: the coin is at gox, and they are not being sued... and also tihan has control of the gox account now, and he is not being sued
Chaang-Noi: i dont think this court case is going to really do anything but fuck over everyone involved in it with legal fees
Chaang-Noi: cuz lawyer fees you can add two 0's to that...
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25120 @ 0.00050918 = 12.7906 BTC [+]
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mircea_popescu: "Hi bixcoin, I have good news for you. The email address in your bitcointalk.org profile is not in the list sent from GLBSE so you have nothing to worry about!"
mircea_popescu: so neither PsychoticBoy nor bixcoin is on the list... gigavps you sure that list is actually right ?
PsychoticBoy: my other account is on the list, but yes the list is incomplete
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gigavps: mircea_popescu the list is incomplete
gigavps: it's one of the main reasons for having a claims process in the first place
mircea_popescu: i didn't realise "incomplete" means... two thirds or less.
gigavps: gigaminers shouldn't have to conceed to nefario's incompetence
mircea_popescu: i imagined something like 99%. in retrospect, i have no ideea why
gigavps: the other reason for the claims process is so no one can collude with nefario to defraud gigaminers and get away with it
gigavps: to put 100% faith into the list is like relisting with glbse
Diablo-D3: I swear to god Im going to buy another machine just so I can put 16gb of memory in it
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: might be cheaper to just get a woman pregnant
Diablo-D3: wait wait wait, I think japan has a thing for this
jcpham: ;;calc .13*[ticker --last]
jcpham: dunno about wholesale though
mircea_popescu: you know when i'll be old and unable to get it up anymore
mircea_popescu: ill prolly sell mpex and dedicate myself to woman milkfarming on the webs.
jcpham: distribution and retail aren't the same
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1600 @ 0.00325447 = 5.2072 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 850 @ 0.0032513 = 2.7636 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 3946 @ 0.00321556 = 12.6886 BTC [-]
Diablo-D3: jcpham: WHAT THE FUCK DOES THAT EVEN MEAN
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: because fucking chicks is a god given right
mircea_popescu: my friends all fuck chickens and then eat their bills...
Diablo-D3: <god> NO. INSTEAD I SHALL BLESS YOU WITH A FOUR HOUR ERECTION. MAKE GOOD USE OF IT.
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23053 @ 0.00051498 = 11.8718 BTC [+]
EskimoBob: looks like you two are having your early morning wankerfest
EskimoBob: you can keep your cookie, you two keep licking it :)
EskimoBob: so, gigavps managed to show his real face and fucked everyone over...
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EskimoBob: why do you say that? He had no problem taking the coin in the first place
pigeons: he's the only one trying to pay people
EskimoBob: for some reason I think that he made it up and asked some slimeball to write that letter
EskimoBob: those are all "if" and "then..." blaa blaa.
mircea_popescu: listen, EskimoBob : back in april he was under a lot of pressure (from me) to not even go ahead with the glbse listing.
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mircea_popescu: well for everyone else it is. it was foresight for me bacvk then, but anyway.
mircea_popescu: so, yea he relied on glbse. guess what ? his investors did too.
mircea_popescu: everyone did, cause it was fashionable to do at the time.
EskimoBob: so what, this will note excuse what he is doing now
EskimoBob: question is, who will be the next greedy fuck, who pulls something similar
mircea_popescu: well, what he's doing now is trying to somehow fix it. he has scant alternatives and so he's stuck with lawyers.
EskimoBob: how is he fixing this shit now with that bs he posted?
EskimoBob: he changed the rules, demands info he has no need for etc
mircea_popescu: from what he's said (above) he has some grounds to suspect it may even have been tampered it, or might have been.
mircea_popescu: what if you had however many shares but simply WERE NOT on nefario's list ?
EskimoBob: i do not think so. He probably gor incomplete list because some did not send the double payment back
EskimoBob: James told issuers that this list is NOT! complete
mircea_popescu: you are the issuer. you receive a "list" which someone meanwhile tagged as a scammer says is not complete. what do you do ?
mircea_popescu: why is it two months late ? did he take this long to doctor the lists, put his own accounts in there ?
EskimoBob: list is incomplete because some received a double payment when James fucked up
mircea_popescu: how do you know what's on the list is the actual legitimate owners ?
EskimoBob: now few slimebags use that to force some to give up
mircea_popescu: look, i understand the cui prodest approach. it's fine, nothing wrong with it.
EskimoBob: how did I know that trades really happened in GLBSE, how do I know that sky is blue... blaa blaa blaa
EskimoBob: all he needed to forward to issuer was a hash and a payment account number
mircea_popescu: if by oct 6th everyone had that in their mailbox i could totally see your pov.
EskimoBob: and send the shareholder the "secret code", balance and the hash
EskimoBob: it was relly stupid to send the e-mail too
EskimoBob: encrypting somethinmg will not make it more correct or true
mircea_popescu: to own property you must either be identified and public or else anon AND SECRET
EskimoBob: I men we can do it with a md5 has and be done with . You never have to know my e-mail address
mircea_popescu: anonimity itself is destructive of property rights. only if coupled with secrecy does it work.
EskimoBob: but I can prove it's me who owns the shares
gigavps: EskimoBob do you own gigamining?
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 7575 @ 0.00321486 = 24.3526 BTC [-]
EskimoBob: I did and I sold after I realized you can not be trusted. I think we have talked about it
gigavps: EskimoBob how can i trust nefario to give me a proper list?
gigavps: EskimoBob what should i do when people make claims that are not of nefario's list?
EskimoBob: before i obviously realized that perpetual bonds are losers :)
gigavps: EskimoBob do you think gigaminers should not get their past payments because nefario fucked up?
EskimoBob: it sure is hard but what else can you do?
mircea_popescu: gigavps you absolutely need to make a full length statement and discuss all this in excruciating detail.
EskimoBob: gigavps: there are 3 sides on this
mircea_popescu: prolly should have done it in parallel with the announcement.
gigavps: mircea_popescu it's coming
Diablo-D3: EskimoBob: were you here when I was talking about what I wanted to do with dmc 2.0?
EskimoBob: some of the 3 have beef with 2 and they need to fix that
gigavps: EskimoBob nefario can't even send me a properly formatted yaml file
gigavps: which means he put it together by HAND
EskimoBob: before you can do anything with their clime
gigavps: mircea_popescu don't be daft
Ukto: man, you can FEEL the love
gigavps: EskimoBob the ONLY think i am trying to do is to pay ppl
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Ukto: mircea_popescu: why you being daft? :P
Ukto: Diablo-D3: I feel trollish today :/ Prolly didnt get enough sleep
mircea_popescu: ukto apparently for thinking nefario can run gpg --clearsing by hand ?
Diablo-D3: Ukto: I feel trollish every day, so /me shrugs
Ukto: mircea_popescu: I have already made statements on my personal expereince with Nefario's competency.
EskimoBob: gigavps: apparently not because the lawyer stuff you pulled is NOT helping you to prove shit
gigavps: EskimoBob maybe you should put on your thinking cap for a minute
EskimoBob: there has to be better way to do it without you getting fucked and your investors too
mircea_popescu: well wtf, so herp derp here's a plaintext-over-email statement of beneficial ownership
Ukto: gigavps: I have not had a chance to look into things yet for shares, but what about ppl who havent done their taxes in a while?
gigavps: EskimoBob if i pay someone according to the list, and the list is not correct, i'm still on the hook to pay them
Ukto: mircea_popescu: like evrey other action preformed in the past, no thought went into it.
Ukto: at least, no clear concise thought
Diablo-D3: EskimoBob: zero coupon non-callable corporate bonds.
gigavps: EskimoBob because i am now making payments, not glbse
EskimoBob: OK, let me ask this. Why did james remove some names from the list
Ukto: mircea_popescu: you heard what btc-mining is gonna do? close down/pay off? their own trading engine?
gigavps: 1. they never filled out the claims form
gigavps: 2. they were overpaid in the btc return
EskimoBob: now, why do you have to pay those people?
EskimoBob: they have not completed 2 or 1 task thy had to
Ukto: 1. Create Asset. 2. ??????? 3. Make Money... *joking..*
mircea_popescu: Ukto i think it is. iirc he was taking claims to confirm his lists.
gigavps: EskimoBob, if they own gigamining, they should be able to make a claim
EskimoBob: no scumbag lawyer will help to clear this up
EskimoBob: it's total waste of time and other peoples money
mircea_popescu: EskimoBob so you hate not just greeks and pornographers but also lawyers ?
Ukto: EskimoBob: while I agree with you, its at least the proper 'legal' course of action. well, mainly if gigavps plans to sue glbse/nefario
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Ukto: otherwise really imho I dont think a lawyer is necessary
mircea_popescu: hate to break it to you, but models smoke the cock on cam.
Ukto: A lawyer having info from someone is no diff than an issuer
gigavps: EskimoBob if there are enough claims that don't match with glbse, we can start making demands for the database
EskimoBob: gigavps has to take a step back and put his thinking hat on - all he did, was stir up another shitstorm
Ukto: gigavps: you prepared for a long 1~3 year international legal battle?
Ukto: aginst nefario/glbse
Ukto: to demand the database?
gigavps: Ukto my first demand letter is what sparked nefario to get off of his ass
EskimoBob: gigavps: for start, work with all the names on the list -
Ukto: gigavps: ah, nice. dont get me wrong, just questioning. :)
EskimoBob: then send the missing claims to james and find out, what happened
Ukto: I have my own extensive experience with lawyers and crap. just curious. :)
gigavps: EskimoBob that is exactly what i am doing
EskimoBob: gigavps: but whay apostill and al tht crap?
Ukto: EskimoBob: from nefario's point of view, gigavps's actions with the lawyer may actually help glbse holders further as he mentioned. nefario is afraid of lawyers/lawsuites, etc.
Ukto: EskimoBob: if nefario feels like things are getting out of hand and he has to do something, he will jump
EskimoBob: he jumped before he started to think
EskimoBob: gigavps: sorry, you are not doing that. You are demanding information that is not helping your form people who are on the list
Ukto: EskimoBob: yes, we do need alot of things
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EskimoBob: Diablo-D3: did you send me PM? I must be missing somethimng
Diablo-D3: [11:10:11] <Diablo-D3> EskimoBob: zero coupon non-callable corporate bonds.
EskimoBob: oh that one, sorry, I missed it :)
Diablo-D3: the bonds will be "physical" certs that are digitally signed with a single use pgp key
EskimoBob: you know I do not like that non-callable stuff at all
Diablo-D3: EskimoBob: its not perpetual, though
EskimoBob: zeros are super stuff but NC par is bad
Diablo-D3: it'll be like for 5 years or something
Diablo-D3: and then sell them with a bid-driven OID
EskimoBob: set the date, but add that bond can be refinanced
Ukto: EskimoBob: I just wanted to say Hi. :P
Diablo-D3: EskimoBob: refinancing them doesn't make sense imo
Ukto: alright, enough trolling for now.
Diablo-D3: EskimoBob: issuing multiple issues of bonds does
Diablo-D3: I want as little bullshit as possible
EskimoBob: you see, multiple issues after each other is bad
Diablo-D3: no dividends means no need for day to day exchange manhandling
Diablo-D3: no complex legal work means less work for both sides
EskimoBob: one issue, callable at X on date Y and if needed, refinanced before Y is good
EskimoBob: rolling out bond issues one after another is real crapp and build ZERO trust
gigavps: EskimoBob if i pay someone i shouldn't have, i need legal recourse, especially if this comes to light when btc is $1000/coin
gigavps: so notorizing signed documents is kind of important
Diablo-D3: EskimoBob: why would you want it to be callable though?
EskimoBob: Oh, btw, i made another cool and dark, bit rusty looking BTC mug
gigavps: plently of ppl have already submitted this info and will be paid next week
gigavps: EskimoBob there are about 10 ppl in the forums screaming
EskimoBob: Diablo-D3: because I want you asa issuer to show that you will call (buy) your bonds back at date X - means you will manage the funds so you will have the available coin to do so
Diablo-D3: EskimoBob: yes, but a non-callable bond means I _must_ buy it back at that date.
Diablo-D3: the only difference is I cant do it early at my choice
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Diablo-D3: EskimoBob: ie, a 5 year bond, at any point after those 5 years someone can show up with a bond and I have to pay out on it
EskimoBob: sorry, my bad, when i sayd callable I meant you buy them back on date X (date of maturity) - opposite to perpetual
copumpkin: callable is a bond with a prepayment option
Diablo-D3: EskimoBob: non-callable doesnt mean perpetual
EskimoBob: copumpkin: I know I just messed up
Diablo-D3: non-callable just means I cant pay the bond out early at a reduced payment
Diablo-D3: I dont want a perpetual bond, they dont fucking work
EskimoBob: become a UK , have a queen and I'll trust your perpetual bonds. everyone else can fuck off :)
Diablo-D3: zero coupon non-callable corporate bonds
copumpkin: I wouldn't say trust is as much of an issue. The thing about a perpetuity is that the later payments are effectively meaningless
Chaang-Noi: im reading the giga thread and loling and the guys saying they will file criminal charges aginst giga... do these guys not understand that they have no proof of ownership and only nefario has it?
Diablo-D3: Chaang-Noi: not only that, do they understand giga was fucked here?
Diablo-D3: a victim cant legitimately sue another victim
Chaang-Noi: im shocked giga is doing as much as he is...
Chaang-Noi: giga is not a victim in my mind, only the people who trusted nefario, if i was giga i would say, im not a broker, glbse was, go deal with them...
Chaang-Noi: i wonder if giga might be getting himself into more trouble by trying to help
Chaang-Noi: giga seems to be going out of his way to help
Chaang-Noi: i do understand about the apostile thing... i cant do that in thailand, we dont have them :/
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39122 @ 0.00050025 = 19.5708 BTC [-]
Chaang-Noi: no, im just shocked at how stupid some of the people are who are bitching in your thread...
Chaang-Noi: i wonder the IQ level of the average bitcoiner at times...
Diablo-D3: EskimoBob: what Im thinking is sell like every 10k of bonds for ~7835
gigavps: i've already talked with one of them and they aren't even on the list
Chaang-Noi: maybe scammer, maybe the did not give back a double payment, maybe nefario is fucking around or gave you some other list... who knows.
Chaang-Noi: im shocked you are even trying to fix this mess.
Diablo-D3: Chaang-Noi, gigavps: you can chime in here as well btw
gigavps: what do i need to chime in on?
gigavps: i'm trying to pay people, not sure what else there is to say
Diablo-D3: well, Im trying to plan out DMC 2.0 here
Diablo-D3: I want something that actually works for investing and isnt a fucking failtrain like every exchange ever
Diablo-D3: the only thing that I can figure out that works is like 5 or 10 year OID non-callable bond
Diablo-D3: and then pgp sign them using a single use key and then bury the key
EskimoBob: Diablo-D3: I think that's a good idea, unless you actually need 10K
EskimoBob: Chaang-Noi: OT will not fix this problem actually :(
Diablo-D3: because I'd need like 1 million BTC.
EskimoBob: I love the idea but I do not see (at the moment) how it can help
EskimoBob: OT needs a frontend (not just users GUI)
EskimoBob: all the "servers" that host securities can connect to that "frontend"
Diablo-D3: that logs shit into a bitcoin chain
Diablo-D3: but it only prevents the exchange from running away with your shit
EskimoBob: but before the frontend, it needs direct connection to btc/ltc/ppc blockchain so you can pay for your trades and not buysome intermediate crap
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13169 @ 0.00051246 = 6.7486 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24966 @ 0.00051429 = 12.8398 BTC [+]
Diablo-D3: yeah, which actually COULD be done
EskimoBob: preventing scams is close to impossible unless you want to run SEC type of outfit and basically go back to shit BTC is trying to rid us all
Diablo-D3: store the wallet.dat private keys in the exchangecoin chain
EskimoBob: to prevent scams, you need to elleminate humans
Diablo-D3: and encrypt them using the exchangecoin address private key
Diablo-D3: so you'd need a client that spoke both bitcoin and exchangecoin
EskimoBob: Diablo-D3: this is one more point if failure?
mircea_popescu: in the end, remarkable how low reputations lawyers enjoy with the general public, and how little consideration or indeed knowledge the latter has about legal process.
mircea_popescu: it's almost as if the western world is made of no citizens.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44615 @ 0.00050062 = 22.3352 BTC [-]
EskimoBob: mircea_popescu: lawyers are the scumbags who have made sure no normal person can survive the fkn traps they have woven. What a "wonderful" system to make sure the big Co's get what they want and common people get fucked left ans right.
EskimoBob: you do not understand it because you do not see the big picture, mircea_popescu
EskimoBob: maybe you see it but your obsession with money has blinded you so you do not understand it what you see.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21335 @ 0.00050062 = 10.6807 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20900 @ 0.00050194 = 10.4905 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3154 @ 0.00051429 = 1.6221 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5086 @ 0.00050025 = 2.5443 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18700 @ 0.00050021 = 9.3539 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30864 @ 0.00049948 = 15.416 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: or maybe i am one of those for whom lawyers usually work.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3450 @ 0.00051429 = 1.7743 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16610 @ 0.00049948 = 8.2964 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7250 @ 0.00049916 = 3.6189 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4413 @ 0.00049904 = 2.2023 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12280 @ 0.00051429 = 6.3155 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3215 @ 0.00051498 = 1.6557 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1000 @ 0.0005162 = 0.5162 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43700 @ 0.00051621 = 22.5584 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18400 @ 0.00051623 = 9.4986 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1000 @ 0.00051644 = 0.5164 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24134 @ 0.00051645 = 12.464 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13800 @ 0.00051645 = 7.127 BTC [+]
EskimoBob: this is called stoneware (high temperature fire)
EskimoBob: I have more pictures from different angle
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9160 @ 0.00051623 = 4.7287 BTC [-]
gribble: Nick 'PsychoticBoy', with hostmask 'PsychoticBoy!~Psychotic@pdpc/supporter/active/psychoticboy', is identified as user PsychoticBoy, with GPG key id 06DC71AFE4DAC520, key fingerprint 9E476C16F877E988110787BC06DC71AFE4DAC520, and bitcoin address None
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23748 @ 0.00050395 = 11.9678 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15362 @ 0.00049904 = 7.6663 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21150 @ 0.00049903 = 10.5545 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19488 @ 0.00049887 = 9.722 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15492 @ 0.00050395 = 7.8072 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3900 @ 0.00050398 = 1.9655 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24400 @ 0.00050379 = 12.2925 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7988 @ 0.00050379 = 4.0243 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9462 @ 0.00050398 = 4.7687 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20188 @ 0.00050398 = 10.1743 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4208 @ 0.00051004 = 2.1462 BTC [+]
jurov: someone already did
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45550 @ 0.00051004 = 23.2323 BTC [+]
jurov: mircea, look to the orders table, not to graph
jurov: and latest trades in the bottom too
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21692 @ 0.00051004 = 11.0638 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17059 @ 0.00051495 = 8.7845 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2753 @ 0.00051495 = 1.4177 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9638 @ 0.00050804 = 4.8965 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15300 @ 0.00050365 = 7.7058 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9700 @ 0.00050365 = 4.8854 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20032 @ 0.00049887 = 9.9934 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: well... need a powerful sales type for a joint venture
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34302 @ 0.00050578 = 17.3493 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33100 @ 0.00051054 = 16.8989 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11950 @ 0.00051054 = 6.101 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22350 @ 0.00051232 = 11.4504 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9000 @ 0.00051141 = 4.6027 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9298 @ 0.00050903 = 4.733 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7152 @ 0.00050303 = 3.5977 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: Reward-Drop ETA: 2012-11-28 22:17:49 UTC (4 days, 2 hours, 50 minutes)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 3395 @ 0.00316381 = 10.7411 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13456 @ 0.00050303 = 6.7688 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3744 @ 0.00050259 = 1.8817 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: apparently badbear is saying gigavps should get scammer tag ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10600 @ 0.00051232 = 5.4306 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1000 @ 0.00051644 = 0.5164 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32724 @ 0.00051645 = 16.9003 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2214 @ 0.00051645 = 1.1434 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15350 @ 0.00051671 = 7.9315 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19836 @ 0.00051686 = 10.2524 BTC [+]
Namjies: Ah yes... well I suppose someone making an agreement he cannot honor afterward (for whichever reasons, even if forced not to honor it) could be considered as a scam, somehow...
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18964 @ 0.00051686 = 9.8017 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3836 @ 0.00051693 = 1.9829 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19000 @ 0.00051397 = 9.7654 BTC [-]
Namjies: I know who you're referring to...
Namjies: I argued a bit too much maybe.
Namjies: Well does it really make a difference? Other than persons are more careful of what they say when they can be seen...
Namjies: Eh, either way, I'm off for bit.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6400 @ 0.00051693 = 3.3084 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1000 @ 0.00051692 = 0.5169 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17914 @ 0.00051693 = 9.2603 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13850 @ 0.00051696 = 7.1599 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52200 @ 0.000517 = 26.9874 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27992 @ 0.00051712 = 14.4752 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1900 @ 0.00051397 = 0.9765 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27800 @ 0.00051273 = 14.2539 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40050 @ 0.00050927 = 20.3963 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2050 @ 0.00050927 = 1.044 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9106 @ 0.00050259 = 4.5766 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3344 @ 0.00050171 = 1.6777 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: random owners of random abandoned/burried websites need to learn that if anyone asks "how much for the site" bs replies a la "we're open to offers" do not work.
mircea_popescu: there's fifty million just like them. there's maybe five people in the market. maybe.
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 12.44999, Best ask: 12.45000, Bid-ask spread: 0.00001, Last trade: 12.44999, 24 hour volume: 22381.31642394, 24 hour low: 12.25000, 24 hour high: 12.45000, 24 hour vwap: 12.35589
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2400 @ 0.00050946 = 1.2227 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8022 @ 0.00051204 = 4.1076 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10422 @ 0.00050744 = 5.2885 BTC [-]
Namjies: [15:47] <mircea_popescu> random owners of random abandoned/burried websites need to learn that if anyone asks "how much for the site" bs replies a la "we're open to offers" do not work.
Namjies: No, they wait for that 500 000$ offer. They're still in the dotcom bubble.
Namjies: Basically, as soon as you inquire about a domain/website, be sure to receive a "feel free to offer" or a 50x inflated price.
Namjies: They'll try to milk you if they know you want it.
Namjies: If you're not offering top dollars, they'll wait for the next person to come around.
Namjies: Anyway, off for a bit again.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13428 @ 0.00050744 = 6.8139 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5199 @ 0.00050171 = 2.6084 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00050529 = 1.1849 BTC [+]
jurov: scaring the markets after several months hiatus :P
jurov: we'll see... made a buy and now it's complaining about actual price
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24200 @ 0.00050263 = 12.1636 BTC [-]
jurov: waiting for the gap to open
jurov: yeah, my code is bitchy.. like me xD
jurov: WARNI [__main__] Price 49307 is below last buy price 50529
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 755 @ 0.00050263 = 0.3795 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7900 @ 0.00051145 = 4.0405 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26745 @ 0.00051204 = 13.6945 BTC [+]
jurov: INFO [mpex.stat] new order:S S.MPOE, amount: 2345, price: 50495
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42400 @ 0.00050171 = 21.2725 BTC [-]
jurov: i allow for few satoshi loss
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30429 @ 0.00050171 = 15.2665 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22852 @ 0.00050119 = 11.4532 BTC [-]
Ukto: Namjies: did nefario not include his little custom identification "codes"/tokens per share holder in the yaml file he sent out? just email/payment_address/shares ?
Ukto: or anyone else know?
smickles: no shareholder info here yet for the two things i expect to get it for
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1629 @ 0.00316381 = 5.1538 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 4121 @ 0.00308319 = 12.7058 BTC [-]
Ukto: mircea_popescu: interesting.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00050495 = 1.1841 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17933 @ 0.00051204 = 9.1824 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10620 @ 0.00051438 = 5.4627 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46499 @ 0.00051508 = 23.9507 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1000 @ 0.00051711 = 0.5171 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56508 @ 0.00051712 = 29.2214 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31450 @ 0.00051733 = 16.27 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56700 @ 0.00051741 = 29.3371 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1000 @ 0.00051745 = 0.5175 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 101966 @ 0.00051746 = 52.7633 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34100 @ 0.00051751 = 17.6471 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48850 @ 0.00051759 = 25.2843 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31580 @ 0.00051768 = 16.3483 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41499 @ 0.00051772 = 21.4849 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24359 @ 0.00051785 = 12.6143 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34992 @ 0.00051788 = 18.1217 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22300 @ 0.00051816 = 11.555 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 82904 @ 0.00051848 = 42.9841 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13242 @ 0.00051853 = 6.8664 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27415 @ 0.00051857 = 14.2166 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33800 @ 0.00051858 = 17.528 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 74842 @ 0.00051861 = 38.8138 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16600 @ 0.00051874 = 8.6111 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11000 @ 0.00051875 = 5.7063 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37550 @ 0.00051876 = 19.4794 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33150 @ 0.00051876 = 17.1969 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22666 @ 0.00051882 = 11.7596 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29790 @ 0.00051889 = 15.4577 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32600 @ 0.00051907 = 16.9217 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42900 @ 0.00051908 = 22.2685 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27400 @ 0.00051929 = 14.2285 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34900 @ 0.00051938 = 18.1264 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30900 @ 0.00051964 = 16.0569 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18850 @ 0.00051966 = 9.7956 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7100 @ 0.00051976 = 3.6903 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14950 @ 0.00051978 = 7.7707 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32750 @ 0.00052022 = 17.0372 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41450 @ 0.00052025 = 21.5644 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22900 @ 0.00052033 = 11.9156 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57000 @ 0.0005205 = 29.6685 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7148 @ 0.00052059 = 3.7212 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11400 @ 0.00052063 = 5.9352 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17043 @ 0.00052066 = 8.8736 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28700 @ 0.00052067 = 14.9432 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13000 @ 0.00052077 = 6.77 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38700 @ 0.00052078 = 20.1542 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25300 @ 0.00052082 = 13.1767 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41600 @ 0.00052087 = 21.6682 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15750 @ 0.000521 = 8.2058 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27400 @ 0.00052107 = 14.2773 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24715 @ 0.00052116 = 12.8805 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34000 @ 0.00052122 = 17.7215 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39548 @ 0.00052128 = 20.6156 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36000 @ 0.00052144 = 18.7718 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29850 @ 0.00052165 = 15.5713 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32557 @ 0.00052177 = 16.9873 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50450 @ 0.00052186 = 26.3278 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 97366 @ 0.00052197 = 50.8221 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45350 @ 0.00052203 = 23.6741 BTC [+]
Ukto: smickles: See what you did?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30700 @ 0.00052205 = 16.0269 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9700 @ 0.0005221 = 5.0644 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26315 @ 0.00052213 = 13.7399 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25225 @ 0.00052214 = 13.171 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31788 @ 0.00052217 = 16.5987 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14950 @ 0.00052245 = 7.8106 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13127 @ 0.00052249 = 6.8587 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48650 @ 0.00052286 = 25.4371 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30106 @ 0.00052287 = 15.7415 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36500 @ 0.00052298 = 19.0888 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35700 @ 0.00052298 = 18.6704 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21361 @ 0.00052319 = 11.1759 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37700 @ 0.0005232 = 19.7246 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23800 @ 0.00052322 = 12.4526 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37694 @ 0.00052349 = 19.7324 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18300 @ 0.00052352 = 9.5804 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25795 @ 0.00052359 = 13.506 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28450 @ 0.00052362 = 14.897 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4400 @ 0.00052362 = 2.3039 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9063 @ 0.00052377 = 4.7469 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7509 @ 0.00052391 = 3.934 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30750 @ 0.00052438 = 16.1247 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45800 @ 0.00052455 = 24.0244 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29250 @ 0.00052463 = 15.3454 BTC [+]
smickles: Ukto: i was talking about s.dice tho
Ukto: si? its still your fault. :P
dub: I like to draw them where I can
dub: Kato: Kurisu-san suggested we study different types of penises in order to create figure out the relative shape and size people would draw. We spent a week doing that before we realized that we should have been looking at drawings of penises rather than real-life pictures. (laughs) We were very embarrassed about that.
dub: Kurisu: My judgement on these types of situations is poor. (laughs)
mircea_popescu: you have got to be a total fuckwit to even attempt "moderating" penis doodles.
mircea_popescu: i have no idea what they do buyt i hope it fails miserably.
jurov: lmao, looks like barebackbot impromptu found a new mpex bug indeed xD
jurov: will send email shortly
jurov: i enjoy finding such bugs
jurov: but it was "only" a 40sec delay
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9840 @ 0.000525 = 5.166 BTC [+]
jurov: with all these discussions maybe we'll see MPOE-PR starting penis drawing contest on btctalk
jurov: don't know, never tried
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11590 @ 0.000525 = 6.0848 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052522 = 1.2316 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1000 @ 0.00052543 = 0.5254 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13098 @ 0.00052544 = 6.8822 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23100 @ 0.00052592 = 12.1488 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8657 @ 0.00052623 = 4.5556 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: and why has the press settled on "semi-anonymous" to describe bitcoin
smickles: mircea_popescu: yeah, kinda makes you wonder why anyone thinks it's a significant part of the economy
smickles: b/c pseudo is too big of a prefix
gigavps: mircea_popescu bitcoin oz seems to have an affinity for you
gigavps: and i did not know he was a glbse shareholder
gigavps: hmmm, i feel like he's trying to stir the pot
gigavps: i guess this is to be expected
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052564 = 1.2326 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6372 @ 0.000525 = 3.3453 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42628 @ 0.000525 = 22.3797 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.0005258 = 1.233 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19205 @ 0.00052623 = 10.1062 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5638 @ 0.00052623 = 2.9669 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35112 @ 0.00052637 = 18.4819 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1600 @ 0.00332909 = 5.3265 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3559 @ 0.00052637 = 1.8734 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25941 @ 0.00052637 = 13.6546 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052546 = 1.2322 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18600 @ 0.000525 = 9.765 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7655 @ 0.00052501 = 4.019 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12810 @ 0.00052637 = 6.7428 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29600 @ 0.000525 = 15.54 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052582 = 1.233 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4649 @ 0.00052637 = 2.4471 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16228 @ 0.00052723 = 8.5559 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39750 @ 0.00052723 = 20.9574 BTC [+]
Namjies: There's no token/code/anything
Namjies: just email+btc address+# shares
Namjies: Did you have any BTC-MINING shares?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052554 = 1.2324 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7155 @ 0.000525 = 3.7564 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21050 @ 0.000525 = 11.0513 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35400 @ 0.0005237 = 18.539 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26900 @ 0.00052275 = 14.062 BTC [-]
Namjies: you had many subaccount on GLBSE right? ...
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 900 @ 0.00339816 = 3.0583 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 600 @ 0.00332909 = 1.9975 BTC [-]
Namjies: mircea_popescu, I think I'm noticing a trend.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052661 = 1.2349 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22760 @ 0.00052723 = 11.9998 BTC [+]
Namjies: It seems some who were not on the lists are issuers like me and smickles or Diablo-D3 (with subaccounts).
Namjies: We received 1 payment for the balance of each payment account... so multiple payments...
Diablo-D3: but Ive gotten paid out on all three accounts
Namjies: When Nefario generated the lists, he probably excluded those who received more than one payment.
Diablo-D3: diablo, diablo:dmc, diablo:bflsuccess, diablo:bflfail
Namjies: Which didn't include pretty much anyone with subaccounts, not just people who received double payments.
Namjies: That could explain the screw up. The only asset list I know I'm included on is my own lists.
Namjies: Technically, I can't make the difference between shares owned in each account. They're aggregated as one in my list.
Diablo-D3: problem is, I was never double paid
mircea_popescu: so he... fucked up the unfucking up of the multipay fuckup ?
Diablo-D3: and even if I was, wouldnt nefario have emailed me?
Namjies: No, but you received multiple payments.
Namjies: If his script checked only for that, even if they were not duplicates, the script might have excluded you from lists.
Namjies: I doubt he automatically generated them.
Diablo-D3: this is like perl one liner material
Namjies: I meant I doubt he manually generated them*
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052336 = 1.2273 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8013 @ 0.00052275 = 4.1888 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10897 @ 0.00052034 = 5.6701 BTC [-]
Diablo-D3: so basically he flagged everyone who he paid per sub account?
Namjies: I'm just assuming he was putting an "OK" check on anyone who sent back a double-payment.
Diablo-D3: Namjies: but he never contacted me
Namjies: Then used a script who excluded anyone receiving more than 1 payment and who was not OK'ed
Diablo-D3: infact both my emails are public, he knows Im a forum mod, he knows Im on irc, he knows Im on github
Namjies: He might not even have realized asset issuers were not included in the lists.
Namjies: If he's not manually making them.
Diablo-D3: yup, I recieved 4 payments from my glbse address
Namjies: Although no... Usagi was included on my list.
Diablo-D3: 7 and 27 (success and fail), 0.04 and 0.01 (dmc and myself)
Diablo-D3: yeah but I dont know how he ran his assets
Diablo-D3: he could have had a glbse account per
Diablo-D3: asset creation causes sub accounts no matter what
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12274 @ 0.00052034 = 6.3867 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9292 @ 0.0005189 = 4.8216 BTC [-]
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: yeah, its been linked on slashdot's front page three times among other honors
Diablo-D3: I should write for it more but meh
pigeons: shit nefario could have manually paid all the customers by now quicker than this and with less errors
mircea_popescu: Diablo-D3 ill pay you a bitcoin if you write an article about either mpex or trilema.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052661 = 1.2349 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7682 @ 0.00052723 = 4.0502 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14400 @ 0.00052735 = 7.5938 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10975 @ 0.00052741 = 5.7883 BTC [+]
smickles: 00:27 < Namjies> you had many subaccount on GLBSE right? ... <<< yes
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: heh, I dont even write about dmc on my blog
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11914 @ 0.00052741 = 6.2836 BTC [+]
smickles: mircea_popescu: that contract should make s.mpoe more easily understood
Diablo-D3: were you here when I was talking about DMC 2.0?
Diablo-D3: shares like I had with DMC were a complete failure
Diablo-D3: so I dont want to go that route again
Diablo-D3: what I want to do is OID coupon non-callable corporate bonds
Diablo-D3: issue them serial numbered and pgp signed using a single use key then burn/bury the key
smickles: heh, well, it sounds workable, but i'm an accountant, you might want to ask a lawyer/underwriter for advice
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052536 = 1.232 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28700 @ 0.00052487 = 15.0638 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7200 @ 0.00052376 = 3.7711 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12105 @ 0.0005189 = 6.2813 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052677 = 1.2353 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11027 @ 0.00052741 = 5.8158 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24269 @ 0.00052743 = 12.8002 BTC [+]
smickles: i dunno, I think there are a few out ther
smickles: but if you have a question about receivables, payables, payroll, and a myriad of other related things, I might be a good one to ask
smickles: after the bonds are written, i know how to deal with them :)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00051954 = 1.2183 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8251 @ 0.0005189 = 4.2814 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7904 @ 0.00051362 = 4.0597 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38000 @ 0.00051362 = 19.5176 BTC [-]
Namjies: I suppose you're not qualified at all to fill Canadian tax reports eh.
Namjies: I'll have to find myself an accountant.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00051824 = 1.2153 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8455 @ 0.00051867 = 4.3854 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27216 @ 0.00051867 = 14.1161 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20243 @ 0.00052035 = 10.5334 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13350 @ 0.00051702 = 6.9022 BTC [-]
smickles: mircea_popescu: dude keeps going on about how peeps use the wrong definition of a ponzi, i do a line by line contrast of the sec's definition of a ponzi and Bitcoin
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25890 @ 0.00051702 = 13.3856 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22810 @ 0.00052035 = 11.8692 BTC [+]
smickles: the guy kept going on about the SEC's definition tho
smickles: if he want's to move the goalposts again, let him
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00051416 = 1.2057 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3196 @ 0.00051362 = 1.6415 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19500 @ 0.00051343 = 10.0119 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11528 @ 0.00051085 = 5.8891 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9431 @ 0.00050865 = 4.7971 BTC [-]
smickles: Boniek stated that he was in control of the court and dismissed the case against himself.""
smickles: The policeman pointed to Boniek's waistband, which was covered with sweater and coat. The policeman suggested that Boniek was concealing a handgun, <<< what a fucking bitch
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00051491 = 1.2075 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15050 @ 0.00051536 = 7.7562 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5347 @ 0.00052035 = 2.7823 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3950 @ 0.00052341 = 2.0675 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12059 @ 0.00052393 = 6.3181 BTC [+]
smickles: well, there is already an appeal that anyone else stand on the side of SudoGhost
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39300 @ 0.00052149 = 20.4946 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19500 @ 0.00051603 = 10.0626 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8200 @ 0.00050865 = 4.1709 BTC [-]
smickles: well, when your wife asks you to give her the ruler...
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00050907 = 1.1938 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26919 @ 0.00050865 = 13.6923 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24450 @ 0.00050705 = 12.3974 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21300 @ 0.00050638 = 10.7859 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19200 @ 0.00050621 = 9.7192 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14680 @ 0.00050621 = 7.4312 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22920 @ 0.00050617 = 11.6014 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1250 @ 0.00332909 = 4.1614 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15583 @ 0.00050617 = 7.8876 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4547 @ 0.00050617 = 2.3016 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22306 @ 0.0005059 = 11.2846 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 544 @ 0.0005059 = 0.2752 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30649 @ 0.00050556 = 15.4949 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19807 @ 0.00050469 = 9.9964 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29895 @ 0.00050469 = 15.0877 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16855 @ 0.00050463 = 8.5055 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1986 @ 0.00050705 = 1.007 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24864 @ 0.00051272 = 12.7483 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29545 @ 0.00050463 = 14.9093 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24755 @ 0.0005032 = 12.4567 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00050915 = 1.194 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9605 @ 0.00050983 = 4.8969 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6845 @ 0.00050983 = 3.4898 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4936 @ 0.00051272 = 2.5308 BTC [+]
smickles: ;;calc [ticker --last] * 0.00051272 * 1000000000
smickles: it's been about the same for 3 days now
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1000 @ 0.00052392 = 0.5239 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26503 @ 0.00052393 = 13.8857 BTC [+]
gribble: Time since last block: 32 minutes and 27 seconds
smickles: i could buy it all the way to 12.5 right now, but this volatility on gox is getting out of hand, i'm not sure if a sharp dip is around the corner or not
mircea_popescu: re icbit : i wouldn't buy up to anything on full leverage.
smickles: it'd take about half my (personal) margin
smickles: i've got a bid at 11.8, that's where my spooky sense starts tingling
jcpham: those 160btc in s2cm shares are gone now
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17123 @ 0.00051696 = 8.8519 BTC [-]
jcpham: because nefario is a cunt
smickles: i dunno, was there news that he's not giving us info?
jcpham: have i properly summarized the situation?
smickles: he's given back info to some people
smickles: if we get infos, we're liquidating and paying the shareholders
jcpham: i'm going to have to say all bitcoin site admins are cunts
jcpham: history has meaning and it should never be ignored
smickles: did you file an account claim with glbse?
jcpham: i logged in and submitted said details
jcpham: under duress if subpoened
smickles: well, you've done all that i know you can
jcpham: mircea_popescu you can be in cunt club if you want
mircea_popescu: unfair generalisation. i was trading when pirate was just a tyke.
jcpham: show me the screenshots
jcpham: no romanian blog bullshit either
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00050382 = 1.1815 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1295 @ 0.0005032 = 0.6516 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14720 @ 0.00050294 = 7.4033 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9245 @ 0.00050198 = 4.6408 BTC [-]
jcpham: mircea_popescu jon matonis was sharing your blog the other day
smickles: jcpham: re the bitcoinica mention, i can vouch that mpoe was there before bitcoinica
jcpham: you'll have to clean up your act
smickles: it was an email interface, but it worked
mircea_popescu: 6395 kreal 58 mircea_popescu 2011-07-26 05:10:22 1 sold 60 bitcoins, payment first. no problems.
jcpham: -otc is a joke and can't be trusted
mircea_popescu: so what, kreal lied about me buying 60 btc last july ?
smickles: jcpham: can i have some of what you're drinking?
mircea_popescu: he's drinking 17 yo virgin girl tears from hard spanking
gribble: Time since last block: 2 minutes and 1 second
jcpham: i was just joking but not really
jcpham: thankfully we haven't crossed swords yet
smickles: only 4 more to go to hit the top of /r/bitcoin
jcpham: i'm sorry i'm confused
jcpham: i like the internet because i can cite things
mircea_popescu: I can't say I particularly liked this article. The tone was very hurtful to those people. I imagine any "Imbecilitarians" reading it would be offended.
jcpham: but the internet isn't real
jcpham: god put the internet here for my amusement
mircea_popescu: that name alone... i imagine it must have been very hurtful in jr high
mircea_popescu: you know when you get drunk you sound like reeses sober.
jcpham: join the g+ and friend me up
jcpham: give your datas to google
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00050779 = 1.1908 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11914 @ 0.00050846 = 6.0578 BTC [+]
jcpham: google needs all your data to feed
jcpham: without your data there can be no driverless cars
mircea_popescu: i want like... 5 cars per mn pop, and driven by buxom topless chicks.
jcpham: me neither but google still needs the data
jcpham: google's new game turns your cell phone into a street view camera
mircea_popescu: think how great london would be if there were like 30 cars in all of it
jcpham: and i could tear through the streets as fast as i want?
jcpham: pretty freaking awesome
smickles: mircea_popescu: only one that looks strange is opera on debian 6
mircea_popescu: btw : i'm working with a crew to release a bitcoin 2 minute video. if it comes through it will be lulzy.
smickles: oh, well, that widget i was asking about is slightly off on some things
smickles: wow, dillo pulled a cert warning out of an
http page
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28291 @ 0.00050934 = 14.4097 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28700 @ 0.00050712 = 14.5543 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 394 @ 0.00050198 = 0.1978 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00050244 = 1.1782 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10311 @ 0.00050198 = 5.1759 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12266 @ 0.00050119 = 6.1476 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10878 @ 0.00049915 = 5.4298 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5827 @ 0.00049915 = 2.9085 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10701 @ 0.00049912 = 5.3411 BTC [-]
smickles: that's only there for the fancy gen your own donation addy
smickles: currently, icbit is offering 7.85~x leverage
smickles: it changes based on recent volatility in the buz2 market
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38473 @ 0.00049913 = 19.203 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11200 @ 0.00050293 = 5.6328 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22392 @ 0.00050669 = 11.3458 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30000 @ 0.00051242 = 15.3726 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18100 @ 0.00051864 = 9.3874 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33966 @ 0.00052187 = 17.7258 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16859 @ 0.00052393 = 8.8329 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1day: 0.00308319 / 0.00323193 / 0.00339944 (34024 shares, 109.96 BTC), 30day: 0.00180002 / 0.00331778 / 0.00339944 (941672 shares, 3,124.26 BTC)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052576 = 1.2329 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11463 @ 0.00052626 = 6.0325 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.0005257 = 1.2328 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30177 @ 0.000525 = 15.8429 BTC [-]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 12.51000, Best ask: 12.51990, Bid-ask spread: 0.00990, Last trade: 12.51000, 24 hour volume: 19222.98667956, 24 hour low: 12.25000, 24 hour high: 12.55000, 24 hour vwap: 12.41369
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052494 = 1.231 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16450 @ 0.00052501 = 8.6364 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10239 @ 0.00052974 = 5.424 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20590 @ 0.00053001 = 10.9129 BTC [+]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 12.39993, Best ask: 12.39994, Bid-ask spread: 0.00001, Last trade: 12.39993, 24 hour volume: 25409.97316755, 24 hour low: 12.30001, 24 hour high: 12.60000, 24 hour vwap: 12.47317
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052326 = 1.227 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29950 @ 0.00052308 = 15.6662 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2855 @ 0.0005154 = 1.4715 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12000 @ 0.00051517 = 6.182 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11563 @ 0.00051474 = 5.9519 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4882 @ 0.0005146 = 2.5123 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12637 @ 0.0005146 = 6.503 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8581 @ 0.00051382 = 4.4091 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5332 @ 0.00051284 = 2.7345 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22205 @ 0.00052168 = 11.5839 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25650 @ 0.0005246 = 13.456 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1410 @ 0.00053001 = 0.7473 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10450 @ 0.00053053 = 5.544 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5290 @ 0.00053212 = 2.8149 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00053177 = 1.247 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15155 @ 0.00053212 = 8.0643 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19550 @ 0.00053128 = 10.3865 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18255 @ 0.00053212 = 9.7139 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10813 @ 0.0005329 = 5.7622 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58232 @ 0.00053291 = 31.0324 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18100 @ 0.00053291 = 9.6457 BTC [+]
copumpkin: mircea_popescu: he should start doing porn
Ukto: heh, in the post ciuciu wrote "You now want me to pay back, following a list given by you the thieves. Am I correct?" Sounds like he got one of those dbl payments.
Ukto: So that means he has funds to make good on his buyback :P
PsychoticBoy: almost alll asset issuers on GLBSE are scammers and now that glbse is closed, the scammers come out of closet
Ukto: I dont think any "bonds" on gblse ever did good/proper, did they?
Ukto: havent they all turned out to be scams?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15075 @ 0.00052811 = 7.9613 BTC [-]
Ukto: seems the mining rigs (the real ones) were the only ones that were not intented to be scams. (and even then, some try it)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 7700 @ 0.00339999 = 26.1799 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2342 @ 0.00052811 = 1.2368 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35000 @ 0.00052922 = 18.5227 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1968 @ 0.00053291 = 1.0488 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2290 @ 0.00053346 = 1.2216 BTC [+]
Ukto: Namjies.. if he continues btc-mining, _might_ consider it
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18850 @ 0.00053018 = 9.9939 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14750 @ 0.00053346 = 7.8685 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9836 @ 0.00053346 = 5.2471 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20735 @ 0.00053346 = 11.0613 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9351 @ 0.00053411 = 4.9945 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12814 @ 0.00053446 = 6.8486 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1000 @ 0.00053445 = 0.5345 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8236 @ 0.00053446 = 4.4018 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2114 @ 0.00053452 = 1.13 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31486 @ 0.00053452 = 16.8299 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13314 @ 0.00053456 = 7.1171 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19100 @ 0.0005328 = 10.1765 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1000 @ 0.00053455 = 0.5346 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12200 @ 0.00053456 = 6.5216 BTC [+]
pigeons: I sent cryptostocks an email telling him to announce his trades for assbot
mircea_popescu: pigeons we had a chat a couple months back, he was going to do it then
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10467 @ 0.00053116 = 5.5597 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: so i've been top fish for ~2 hours now, smickles take that!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00053078 = 1.2447 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8900 @ 0.00053054 = 4.7218 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12655 @ 0.00052793 = 6.681 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00053105 = 1.2453 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32833 @ 0.00053116 = 17.4396 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10517 @ 0.00053456 = 5.622 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: mircea_popescu how much did you blow on that game so far
mircea_popescu: i made ~3btc last time, i'm ahead about 3 btc this time
kakobrekla: screw mpex this is much more profitable
mircea_popescu: cause he got lucky, otherwise i'd have been +8 last time
mircea_popescu: so basically the forum wants gigavps to buyback bonds at 1.05 btc each + all the dividends
Ukto: whats this biggest fish thing?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1619 @ 0.00053456 = 0.8655 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9381 @ 0.00053461 = 5.0152 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: i love it how the link is direct ip lol
Ukto: The requested URL / was not found on this server.
Ukto: it was freom the link on polimedia
Ukto: i tried clicking hte how it works on polimedia and got taht 404 hehe
Ukto: dont see one on the actual game
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 369 @ 0.00053461 = 0.1973 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11150 @ 0.00053468 = 5.9617 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1831 @ 0.00053519 = 0.9799 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052813 = 1.2385 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11495 @ 0.00052793 = 6.0686 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 308 @ 0.00052793 = 0.1626 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14838 @ 0.00052609 = 7.8061 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26650 @ 0.00052609 = 14.0203 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2800 @ 0.00052683 = 1.4751 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052803 = 1.2382 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9655 @ 0.00052813 = 5.0991 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 396 @ 0.00052813 = 0.2091 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22558 @ 0.00052879 = 11.9284 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4973 @ 0.00053067 = 2.639 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052638 = 1.2344 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12282 @ 0.00052609 = 6.4614 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1315 @ 0.00052452 = 0.6897 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29303 @ 0.00052743 = 15.4553 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5197 @ 0.00052743 = 2.7411 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2255 @ 0.00052452 = 1.1828 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11500 @ 0.00052431 = 6.0296 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7450 @ 0.00052393 = 3.9033 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4095 @ 0.00052323 = 2.1426 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6992 @ 0.00052498 = 3.6707 BTC [+]
smickles: 16:22 < mircea_popescu> so i've been top fish for ~2 hours now, smickles take that! << oh noes, i've been doing other things and my fish has been invisible for who knows how long
smickles: oh mircea_popescu, d'ja !ticker s.dice recently?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23305 @ 0.00052323 = 12.1939 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4745 @ 0.00052113 = 2.4728 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9400 @ 0.00052113 = 4.8986 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16731 @ 0.00052113 = 8.719 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8900 @ 0.00052078 = 4.6349 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3569 @ 0.0005202 = 1.8566 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21200 @ 0.00052149 = 11.0556 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3996 @ 0.00052314 = 2.0905 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16900 @ 0.0005202 = 8.7914 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13304 @ 0.00052314 = 6.9599 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8000 @ 0.00052316 = 4.1853 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4396 @ 0.00052498 = 2.3078 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7311 @ 0.0005202 = 3.8032 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 3950 @ 0.00339999 = 13.43 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3900 @ 0.00051839 = 2.0217 BTC [-]
Ukto: hmm, did Theymos ban images from sigs?
smickles: sort've, i think you have to pay for 'em
Ukto: ah. I remember I used to see them, and noticed none of the pages I looked at lately had any
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18319 @ 0.00052 = 9.5259 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28521 @ 0.00051839 = 14.785 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2900 @ 0.00051789 = 1.5019 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20842 @ 0.00051788 = 10.7937 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4758 @ 0.00051788 = 2.4641 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2691 @ 0.00051614 = 1.3889 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4170 @ 0.00052 = 2.1684 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 815 @ 0.00052498 = 0.4279 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17685 @ 0.0005285 = 9.3465 BTC [+]
pigeons: when does biggest fish ip on mpex?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052843 = 1.2392 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9915 @ 0.0005285 = 5.2401 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6640 @ 0.00052903 = 3.5128 BTC [+]
smickles: pigeons: i dunno if they will ipo if freemoney buys them outright
Ukto: After 100 monthly installments of 50btc.
pigeons: ok i'll wait for the Satoshi Fishing clone
smickles: That better be a self driving car for that price
Ukto: smickles: no. just interest :P
smickles: thestringpuller: heh, just as I would've left
Ukto: "Don't get your snickers in a wad" :P
smickles: thestringpuller: I've got a link for you to have a gander at :)
Ukto: does it have to be a story game
Ukto: or just multiplayer
Ukto: i'll work that later
thestringpuller: i want something with a story that compares to GTA IV or Alan Wake
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.0005214 = 1.2227 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19201 @ 0.00052109 = 10.0054 BTC [-]
smickles: heh, i wonder how curl will do
smickles: so this tuesday, it'll be 2 weeks worth of processing a few forms
Ukto: do you have a cpa license?
smickles: Ukto: no, i'm a little ways off from being a cpa yet
Ukto: well good luck with it! :)
smickles: yeah, I'll be providing bookeeping, payroll, accounts receivable, accounts payable, consulting and related services. All custom taylored to bitcoin businesses
Ukto: once weex get going a bit further
smickles: I believe my plan for A/P is the most secure solution to date, private keys will never even be on a HD
Ukto: I plan to hire a cpa firm to do a weekly/monthly audit of all accounts
Ukto: usd, aud, cad, btc, etc
Ukto: and have them post on the same basis that all looks right with the world
smickles: aw, too bad i'm not a cpa, I can't do public audits :|
smickles: thestringpuller: it takes years, the requirements are harsh
thestringpuller: Why don't you do it kingpin style and hire a CPA with an "offer they can't refuse"?
Ukto: why setting up the llc now then ?
smickles: Ukto: accounting isn't just what cpas do
Ukto: "Certified Public Accountant' primary purpose. :P
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052459 = 1.2302 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20336 @ 0.00052472 = 10.6707 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6319 @ 0.00052903 = 3.3429 BTC [+]
smickles: really, a CPA licens is so that you can do Audits on publicly traded companies and such like that
smickles: almost every other aspect of accounting can be done by accountants who are not CPAs
smickles: Oh, and a CPA can sign your 1040 as a preparer, wehre oters cant
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052133 = 1.2225 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10229 @ 0.00052109 = 5.3302 BTC [-]
Ukto: smickles: I have had my own s-corps for the last 10 years.
Ukto: I generally file about 300 pages worth in taxes a year to the irs
Ukto: just for the businesses :P
Ukto: my personal/family taxes re bloated out to about 38 pages yearly
smickles: I'm sure you do. Most people who are CPAs are excellent accountants
Ukto: Everyone should always have a cpa do their taxes
Ukto: if a cpa is not singing off on them
Ukto: then you are personally responsible for any mistakes, and could goto jail
Ukto: if a cpa signs, and tehres a mistake, there is a simple procedure to fix it
smickles: ya know, a CPA can represent you in place of a lawyer in some cases?
Ukto: to get an EVSSL cert, you have to provide a letter from a lawyer, or cpa
smickles: I plan to become a CPA, it just takes time, and I have to work under a CPA for at least 2 years before I can even attempt the exams
smickles: so I'll have to wait until my daughter and coming son are a little older
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15750 @ 0.00051917 = 8.1769 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19950 @ 0.00051677 = 10.3096 BTC [-]
smickles: Ukto: i'm willing to bet you are older than i am tho :P
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15200 @ 0.00051677 = 7.8549 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7100 @ 0.00051628 = 3.6656 BTC [-]
smickles: I went to a highschool that Jay Leno once called "fort fertile"
smickles: not at all because of me tho :/
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14826 @ 0.00051971 = 7.7052 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12324 @ 0.00052903 = 6.5198 BTC [+]
smickles: looks like icbit futures might finally close above 12
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052875 = 1.2399 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1367 @ 0.00052903 = 0.7232 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2888 @ 0.00052987 = 1.5303 BTC [+]
smickles: thestringpuller: the futures market is a funny thing
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00051649 = 1.2112 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3100 @ 0.00051628 = 1.6005 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16809 @ 0.00051614 = 8.6758 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2972 @ 0.00051565 = 1.5325 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1800 @ 0.00338509 = 6.0932 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1400 @ 0.00051638 = 0.7229 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12439 @ 0.00051565 = 6.4142 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052956 = 1.2418 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10450 @ 0.00052956 = 5.5339 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052609 = 1.2337 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4155 @ 0.00052576 = 2.1845 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2445 @ 0.00052576 = 1.2855 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29750 @ 0.0005184 = 15.4224 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 394 @ 0.00051565 = 0.2032 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2661 @ 0.00051557 = 1.3719 BTC [-]
knotwork: Software to handle puts and calls on arbitrary pairs of assets is badly needed. That is really coming home to people today as they ran around negotiating large puts and calls to try to prevent a tipping point that could trigger panic selling if they don't get enough, and the right, puts and calls worked out and in place
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24882 @ 0.00051557 = 12.8284 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9897 @ 0.00051557 = 5.1026 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 153 @ 0.00051355 = 0.0786 BTC [-]
knotwork: well remember when bitcoin skyrocketed over $30, but tipped when it topped out?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12147 @ 0.00051355 = 6.2381 BTC [-]
knotwork: easy apps to handle options maybe could have helped there, for example maybe if lots of options had been available for people to secure themselves a peak price for a few months so they need not panic...
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18975 @ 0.0005135 = 9.7437 BTC [-]
knotwork: a significant amount of secure debt was sniped today while everyone was already worried about skyrockets, massive players in the secured debt arena finally realised all their debtors would be sniped if they didn't cut their rates across the board, and everything wobbled
knotwork: everyone is running around trying to work out options bundles tht they hope can prevent the flattening out of the curves from turning into an actual downtick
knotwork: the secure interest rates of course are also key in many.most (all?) options pricing schemes so its hectic, then all the options will all have to be manually adminitered too
smickles: yeah, gl with comming up with a 'risk free rate' in bitcoinland
Ukto: my options been up for months
smickles: I suggest yo ujust assume there isn't one
Ukto: just havent promoted it :P
smickles: Ukto: how do they compare to mpex's options?
Ukto: which is proper usage of your / you're? "claim your crap" or you're ?
knotwork: well considering t-bills are passed off as risk-free ...
Ukto: should be you're? right
Ukto: that does make sense too
Ukto: smickles: mine is like an OTC options system
smickles: knotwork: if you want to use tbils, then we'd need a good way to convert btc into tbills
smickles: Ukto: do you work them out individually then?
Ukto: you pick call/put, you specify the deadline for exection, the strike price, and the option price yoiu want
Ukto: it gets posted on the list, and anyone can buy it
knotwork: no no i merely meant if t-bills are risk-free then obviously its a loose term of art to being with
Ukto: you can also make it 'breakable' so you can post 100 btc, and let multiple ppl pick outof it
gribble: Error: No orders found matching these criteria.
Ukto: option holders can also re-write the options back into the board
Ukto: smickles: its all on weex
Ukto: I think the last option that was for sale got bought last night
Ukto: there is only one person writing options so far... seems to be doing good
Ukto: and about 3~8 ppl randomly buying them
Ukto: smickles: you dont have a weex accnt do you?
knotwork: when i said "arbitrary assets" I meant quite arbitrary. I have created several plots now, showing things in terms of different assets like wht does it look like if you think in litecoin, what does it look like if you think in devcoin, wht does it look like if you think in bitcoin etc
Ukto: smickles: want me to pm you an invite code? :)
smickles: it couldn't hurt, I could get to it sometime soon :)
Ukto: considering copying the options code into the new asset site, so ppl can trade options on assets.. but I just dont think they vary enough in price to be worth using.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24200 @ 0.00052758 = 12.7674 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 881 @ 0.0005135 = 0.4524 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1119 @ 0.00051334 = 0.5744 BTC [-]
smickles: if you could write an option for whatever you wanted, that would open up a lot of interesting possibilities
knotwork: i had to change all the plots to use logarithmic scale because otherwise all the tiny valued assets tended to vanish into the y-axis on the bottom, using log for X lets you see the tiny stuff as well as the skyrocketed stuff
Ukto: define "whatever you wanted"
smickles: suppose s.mpoe options on weex
Ukto: that would be on the new asset site
Ukto: weex doesnt touch assets, bonds of any kinds
Ukto: just btc/usd/aud/cad
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24181 @ 0.00051334 = 12.4131 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1154 @ 0.00051284 = 0.5918 BTC [-]
Ukto: and offering options on mpex assets from the new asset system wouldnt be hard tbh
Ukto: just have to setup an mpex account, and ppl have to xfer the mpex shares to that account
Ukto: to be able to option it out
Ukto: cant be able to post options on somethign that you cant enforce
knotwork: sorry i mixed up x and y axes, its y that is log, x is time
knotwork: well those smooth lines on the plots are of course the folks mostly valued by their compound interest deals theey have/had
knotwork: those are the ones having the interest rates crunch, so they are thinking hey maybe we can set up safe options, where we sell options to make a secure income on our heaps of this and that
knotwork: so pick any pair of this and that you have plenty of on hand and can no longer get as high interest on by loaning it
knotwork: and look into whether selling options both ways on such pairs you can earn as much as you had been making by loaning
smickles: heh, not much looing into, calls and puts are essentiall the same thing if you know how to look at it
knotwork: basically its like hey I have two things I can sell, but maybe if I sell people the option to buy one or to sell me (at les than i sell it of course) one, i can make money on my inventory without even necesaarily selling it
knotwork: and if i do sell some of it, well it was looking like something might have to be sold anyway so what the heck
knotwork: ahh finally the latest sets of numbers are complete and i can plot new plots
knotwork: log scale makes the skyrockets look so un-dramatic! its almost worth not being able to see the low valued assets on non-log scale jsut so you can see how exciting the skyrockets were really looking
knotwork: it has been like oh gosh is Martian BotCoin doing what bitcoin did back when bitcoin topped oout over $30 ???
knotwork: new plots are uploading right now
Ukto: smickles: sent you pm.
knotwork: damn i turned the mousing thing off so i could make the chart bigger, but that turned off the ability to zoom, i can hardly really see if its downticks or just levelled off
knotwork: kind of looks like down a little for t least some of them
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6750 @ 0.00052547 = 3.5469 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11303 @ 0.00051284 = 5.7966 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052926 = 1.2411 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4650 @ 0.00052956 = 2.4625 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6176 @ 0.00052987 = 3.2725 BTC [+]
knotwork: since they all did i am guessing they maybe didnt take a bump at all but, rather, litecoin went up briefly then back down
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052332 = 1.2272 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10000 @ 0.000523 = 5.23 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1579 @ 0.00051284 = 0.8098 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.0005296 = 1.2419 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13786 @ 0.00052987 = 7.3048 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20063 @ 0.00053067 = 10.6468 BTC [+]
jurov: lmao the bot looks like most profitable mpex venture of mine :p
jurov: and to think it has catched dust unused for few months...
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12963 @ 0.00052105 = 6.7544 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6238 @ 0.00052105 = 3.2503 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4062 @ 0.00052557 = 2.1349 BTC [+]
dub: so fishgame was hit and run?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16800 @ 0.00052116 = 8.7555 BTC [-]
dub: hrm? people discussing in forums as if its up, been down over a day
Ukto: it was up a few hours ago ?
Ukto: not that i quote know how it works
dub: using the dns I get a 404
Ukto: all i know is that mircea_popescu had linked this url this morning
gribble: Current Blocks: 209572 | Current Difficulty: 3368767.1405329 | Next Difficulty At Block: 209663 | Next Difficulty In: 91 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 14 hours, 32 minutes, and 5 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 3421955.55190379 | Estimated Percent Change: 1.57886874195
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5050 @ 0.00052116 = 2.6319 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15738 @ 0.00052557 = 8.2714 BTC [+]
smickles: anyone know how to replicate this?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14621 @ 0.00052831 = 7.7244 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5329 @ 0.00053 = 2.8244 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1day: 0.00330708 / 0.00338032 / 0.0034 (48305 shares, 163.29 BTC), 30day: 0.00180002 / 0.00332073 / 0.0034 (985627 shares, 3,273.01 BTC)
gribble: Estimated time of bitcoin block reward halving: Wed Nov 28 21:32:13 2012 UTC | Time remaining: 2 days, 23 hours, 10 minutes, and 0 seconds.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11771 @ 0.00053 = 6.2386 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4126 @ 0.00053067 = 2.1895 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15056 @ 0.00053082 = 7.992 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: ;;rate Bargheimer 1 Runs the biggest fish game. Nice coding.
gribble: Error: User doesn't exist in the Rating or GPG databases. User must be GPG-registered to receive ratings.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17544 @ 0.00053082 = 9.3127 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 209 @ 0.0005311 = 0.111 BTC [+]
smickles: pigeons: lol, i was just thinking of producing the blockchain in qr format for the fun of it
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052714 = 1.2361 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 555 @ 0.00052708 = 0.2925 BTC [-]
gribble: Error: invalid syntax (<string>, line 1)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052776 = 1.2376 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19522 @ 0.00052794 = 10.3064 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7734 @ 0.0005311 = 4.1075 BTC [+]
jurov: it's 54772... if a bit is 1x1mm, qr code would be 55x55meters
jurov: one would probably need spy plane/satellite to scan it :P
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052737 = 1.2367 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4455 @ 0.00052708 = 2.3481 BTC [-]
jurov: ;;ident Bargheimer
gribble: Error: I am not seeing this user on IRC. If you want information about a registered gpg user, try the 'gpg info' command instead.
jurov: orly, someone misses glbse ticker?
pigeons: no, i just needed an excuse
jurov: granted, there were some mysterious symbols, nowadays it's all like s.mpoe
smickles: lol, ok, segfault when trying to encode the image
jurov: oh that's a guy??? i read that as "grandma"... *hides*
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00053083 = 1.2448 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6007 @ 0.0005311 = 3.1903 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1595 @ 0.00053162 = 0.8479 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8850 @ 0.00052919 = 4.6833 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: "It is not only GLBSE users that did not file claims or got double payments, some users that filed their claims and did not receive double payments are also not on the lists. "
Ukto: it can ONLY get worse
Ukto: why are you asking?
mircea_popescu: literally, there is no longer any possiblity, no matter how theoretical. all has been used.
Ukto: if you dont know the answer, then you have not been paying attention to Nefario's history.
Ukto: I keep thinking about it
Ukto: and the only real opton I can come up wiht for doing "funds" non-backed things like rigs, but the passthroughs, etc.. is to just do it
Ukto: and put a giant red flag on the asset
Ukto: I mean, there _are_ some good ppl, with good intentions, who wanna do things like mutual funds
Ukto: I also dont want a certin someone >,> to go labeling my system as the asset sesspool. :P
Ukto: like "they" did w/ glbse :P
Ukto: if someone cant explain where the money comes from to pay the divs
Ukto: thats rule #1 no matter what
Ukto: thats why I didnt get hurt by pi8
mircea_popescu: mother of god, giga's thread is on page 72 ? was 64 yest
Ukto: lol, to be expeted with the rabbit he pulled out of the hat :P
Ukto: I dont think a single person expected it
jurov: prolly everyone want to be hero members of btctalk
jurov: rewarding BS... what could probablo get wrong?
jurov: i got to "full member" only recently after several months of semi-daily visits
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8105 @ 0.00053162 = 4.3088 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15043 @ 0.00053294 = 8.017 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2000 @ 0.00339594 = 6.7919 BTC [+]
jurov: You did this as to show some activity on your site. You forgot to mention that the activity is from you, the owner of the site. Do you think this is OK?
mircea_popescu: welll... basically, some months ago MPOE-PR called him a scammer.
pigeons: "Did Smikles knew about it?"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4230 @ 0.00053294 = 2.2543 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2404 @ 0.000533 = 1.2813 BTC [+]
dub: safe to class it as 'too stupid to warrant further interaction'
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13746 @ 0.000533 = 7.3266 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3704 @ 0.00053317 = 1.9749 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13577 @ 0.00053317 = 7.2388 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5123 @ 0.00053334 = 2.7323 BTC [+]
jurov: i can't stop giggling over that accusation
jurov: i'll prolly put it into btctalk profile "accused of addting activity to mpex charts"
mircea_popescu: i don't think he understands much of what's going on around him.
mircea_popescu: Stopped by Meze Grill today. It was one of my must-visit places during my trip to NY. The food was DELICIOUS! But, I was informed that they don't take Bitcoin any more. "It didn't work out" Anyone have any idea why?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17825 @ 0.00053334 = 9.5068 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 465 @ 0.00053342 = 0.248 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2274 @ 0.00339594 = 7.7224 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 884 @ 0.00339999 = 3.0056 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1day: 0.00049912 / 0.00052292 / 0.00053519 (5361144 shares, 2,803.46 BTC), 30day: 0.0004522 / 0.00049707 / 0.00053519 (79565476 shares, 39,550.20 BTC)
mircea_popescu: at least he doesn't seem to be targetting you particularly.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19700 @ 0.00053342 = 10.5084 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5805 @ 0.00053342 = 3.0965 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3500 @ 0.00053491 = 1.8722 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4709 @ 0.00053519 = 2.5202 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14500 @ 0.00053519 = 7.7603 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C060T] 1000 @ 0.52001445 = 520.0145 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C070T] 1000 @ 0.43951686 = 439.5169 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C080T] 1000 @ 0.35901927 = 359.0193 BTC [-]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 12.49737, Best ask: 12.49738, Bid-ask spread: 0.00001, Last trade: 12.49737, 24 hour volume: 24521.28612267, 24 hour low: 12.31250, 24 hour high: 12.60000, 24 hour vwap: 12.49009
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00053201 = 1.2476 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20500 @ 0.00053184 = 10.9027 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3184 @ 0.00053166 = 1.6928 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1666 @ 0.00053166 = 0.8857 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23134 @ 0.00053095 = 12.283 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7778 @ 0.00053095 = 4.1297 BTC [-]
gribble: Estimated time of bitcoin block reward halving: Wed Nov 28 21:49:14 2012 UTC | Time remaining: 2 days, 20 hours, 40 minutes, and 0 seconds.
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C060T] 1000 @ 0.52001445 = 520.0145 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C070T] 1000 @ 0.43951686 = 439.5169 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: basically an value investing vs efficient market theory vote.
mircea_popescu: judging by calls closing i guess there's not going to be much more of a jump.
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C080T] 1000 @ 0.35901927 = 359.0193 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00053504 = 1.2547 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14760 @ 0.00053519 = 7.8994 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5495 @ 0.00053525 = 2.9412 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6454 @ 0.00053525 = 3.4545 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6146 @ 0.00053526 = 3.2897 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C060T] 1000 @ 0.52001445 = 520.0145 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C070T] 1000 @ 0.43951686 = 439.5169 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C080T] 1000 @ 0.35901927 = 359.0193 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4700 @ 0.00053526 = 2.5157 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00053104 = 1.2453 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6484 @ 0.00053095 = 3.4427 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6604 @ 0.00053095 = 3.5064 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1396 @ 0.00053093 = 0.7412 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00053136 = 1.246 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5452 @ 0.00053144 = 2.8974 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9278 @ 0.00053144 = 4.9307 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15350 @ 0.0005315 = 8.1585 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1000 @ 0.00053525 = 0.5353 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28760 @ 0.00053526 = 15.3941 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00053103 = 1.2453 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7305 @ 0.00053093 = 3.8784 BTC [-]
smickles: lol, that sudoghost guy didn't see the connection between a e-currency modeled on the idea of Libertarian economist and Bitcoin
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3831 @ 0.00053093 = 2.034 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5569 @ 0.00053045 = 2.9541 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13281 @ 0.00053045 = 7.0449 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8119 @ 0.00053027 = 4.3053 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19831 @ 0.00053027 = 10.5158 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2769 @ 0.00053026 = 1.4683 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00053214 = 1.2479 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1000 @ 0.00053226 = 0.5323 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8205 @ 0.00053227 = 4.3673 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 3500 @ 0.00339999 = 11.9 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5795 @ 0.00053227 = 3.0845 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21855 @ 0.00053465 = 11.6848 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9795 @ 0.00053465 = 5.2369 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22905 @ 0.00053526 = 12.2601 BTC [+]
dub: 20% scam, 80% retard
dub: paid btc to hand out on IRC, tough gig
dub: I've had some rather arduous irc jobs before, never got paid though
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4089 @ 0.00053526 = 2.1887 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5611 @ 0.00053575 = 3.0061 BTC [+]
dub: herding nutjobs was one
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00053037 = 1.2437 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21167 @ 0.00053026 = 11.224 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2649 @ 0.00052956 = 1.4028 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5000 @ 0.00052956 = 2.6478 BTC [-]
coingenuity: mircea_popescu: aye, some specific items are delayed due to the hurricane in the USA
coingenuity: ya, thanks, let my staff know to speak to him
coingenuity: certain manufacturers are based in the manhatten area, they got hit REALLY hard in the hurricane
coingenuity: so there's a bit of a delay on specific items, but we're letting folks know as needed
coingenuity: as they fix the situation there with roads and electricity etc the delay will vanish pretty rapidly, but nothing we can do about freaksize hurricanes... yet!
mircea_popescu: still not fully restored power in manhattan have they ?
smickles: Macintosh was discussing Friedrich Hayek's model, not Bitcoins, and is a 14 year old document, discussing something 10 years before Bitcoin was introduced. I'm not following the correlation between Hayek's model possibly not being considered a security and Bitcoin, a different concept entirely. - SudoGhost 01:39, 26 November 2012 (UTC)
smickles: You don't see the connection between a Libertarian who advocated free experiment in methods of transmitting value and Bitcoin?
smickles: Did I miss something, I thought the relevant footnote was about an digital currency and Ginburg brought it up as reference for digital currencies being unlikely to be regulated as securities in a discussion about Bitcoin being a security or not which directly impacts whether or not Bitcoin is a Ponzi scheme. --Smickles86 (talk) 02:13, 26 November 2012 (UTC)
smickles: Also, if you still see it hard to see, why don't we use the very next two sentences in the Grinberg text: "Bitcoin supporters may similarly argue, as elaborated below, that bitcoins do not look like securities or investments, especially because there is no money- making enterprise that is attempting to raise money, and that bitcoins are instead like commodities or currencies, which are generally not regulated under the federal securities laws. Fu
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00053071 = 1.2445 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9543 @ 0.00053092 = 5.0666 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052966 = 1.2421 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10305 @ 0.00052956 = 5.4571 BTC [-]
smickles: ya know, that one guy not seeing the connection between digital currency based on austrian economics and Bitcoin
mircea_popescu: a person that has not the experience of a good beating
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00053084 = 1.2448 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8957 @ 0.00053092 = 4.7555 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1748 @ 0.0005321 = 0.9301 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: has not the incentive and thus not the ability to back down when they've been proven wrong.
smickles: heh, I consider him moving the goalposts so many times to be backing down
mircea_popescu: i considered him an idiot since about a week ago, or was it two.
smickles: since the first week of November , iirc
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7252 @ 0.0005321 = 3.8588 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19789 @ 0.00053575 = 10.602 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1000 @ 0.00053585 = 0.5359 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4209 @ 0.00053586 = 2.2554 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2960 @ 0.00339999 = 10.064 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052986 = 1.2425 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1155 @ 0.00052956 = 0.6116 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: The Merton model has been shown to be empirically accurate for non-financial firms, especially manufacturing entities. The highly leveraged nature of financial firms produces CDS spreads which are significantly higher than observed in the market due to the asset diffusion process.
mircea_popescu: they imply that the spreads observed in the market are correct
mircea_popescu: this is of course not the case : financials are overbought by degrees of fucking magnitude in the past decade+
smickles: 'degrees of fucking magnitude'
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00053553 = 1.2558 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8155 @ 0.00053586 = 4.3699 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: sorta like miner bonds in btc. on the strength of their revenue generating abilities, us investment banks for instance are 100 to 1000x oversized, all through the 90s and 00s
mircea_popescu: just like on the strength of their revenue generating abilities, miner bonds shouldn't really have seen investment over the 100 btc mark for the entire slate.
smickles: I feel like these models would benifit from being based on lognormal curves rather than gausian ones
smickles: but i don't have the time to work on that math
mircea_popescu: merton is basically "let's consider holding a company as the equivalent of holding an european style call on its assets"
smickles: a Gaussian process is a stochastic process
smickles: The barrier itself is stochastic,
smickles: i may have had it backwards a little
mircea_popescu: anyway, im not so sure moving from gauss to galton will necessarily benefit anything.
smickles: heh, i'm not sure either, but the longer tails feel better to me when i consider that LTCM got hit by a 'tail event' which may have been covered if their formula wasn't gaussian
smickles: of course, they did some other stupid shit too... but even so
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.0005299 = 1.2426 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17809 @ 0.00052956 = 9.4309 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3546 @ 0.0005293 = 1.8769 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: to get any benefit from the fins discussion of statistics we'd have to have solved all the other problems
mircea_popescu: LCTM is actually a fine example. the idea of arbitraging off-run bonds is probably workable, if you keep expenses low.
mircea_popescu: then they suddenly saw 1bn+ in capital and well... there just wasn't room to spend that much in their intended market
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3901 @ 0.0005293 = 2.0648 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00053439 = 1.2531 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8505 @ 0.00053463 = 4.547 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 4300 @ 0.00339999 = 14.62 BTC [+]
Namjies: dub: I usually stop reading when the english is this badly written.
dub: The lack of control on the financial flows to and from the cyberspace makes recycling operations through a virtual currency extremely efficient and very difficult to prevent, it must be also considered the absence of a regulation to approach the cyber laundering phenomena.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052961 = 1.2419 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 185 @ 0.0005293 = 0.0979 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7846 @ 0.00052878 = 4.1488 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: this attitude as if "control" is something that's feasible, possible, desirable or even allowable is getting on my nerves.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00053461 = 1.2537 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12155 @ 0.00053463 = 6.4984 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 3727 @ 0.00338876 = 12.6299 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 573 @ 0.00338509 = 1.9397 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14050 @ 0.00053463 = 7.5116 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052913 = 1.2408 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5555 @ 0.00052878 = 2.9374 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14614 @ 0.00052884 = 7.7285 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26436 @ 0.00053463 = 14.1335 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13850 @ 0.00053123 = 7.3575 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5649 @ 0.00052878 = 2.9871 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 401 @ 0.00052871 = 0.212 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00053444 = 1.2533 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11286 @ 0.00053463 = 6.0338 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2169 @ 0.00053561 = 1.1617 BTC [+]
Namjies: mircea, what's that thing at the bottom: UPCOMING - K.KBRL - Pending, due klim.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052872 = 1.2398 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2399 @ 0.00052871 = 1.2684 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9806 @ 0.00052855 = 5.183 BTC [-]
toffoo: mircea: I enjoy your entertaining blog, so I'll leave you one little tip I often mention to non-native writers of English: the correct key for an apostrophe (used in possessives and contractions) is this one: ' not this one: `
toffoo: it's probably your keyboard's fault
toffoo: you sure you're using a U.S. keyboard?
toffoo: or maybe your OS it set up with some other weird key mapping
mircea_popescu: i can't stnad localised kbds. never used anything but us101
toffoo: it happens all the time
toffoo: weird .. well the apostrophes that come out on your blog are definitely wrong
toffoo: no, here those look the same to me
pigeons: I only have ' and ` I don't have ’
mircea_popescu: me too. but for some reason wp decided " is to be curlified
toffoo: hmm…ya, when I paste it here it looks right
mircea_popescu: well then maybe... YOUR terminal has some localisation weirdness ?
toffoo: maybe it's just the font or the way the blog is rendering it .. weird
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2250 @ 0.00339999 = 7.65 BTC [+]
toffoo: well I mentioned it because I only noticed it on your blog
toffoo: and I see the same thing all the time around here from non-English writers around here
mircea_popescu: you're the first one to have mentioned it, so i guess we got something here.
mircea_popescu: just so happens i'm millitant against dumbass special chars. wrote romanian for years w/o any of their little squigly shits
toffoo: ya, i'm sure romanian is a lot worse
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21313 @ 0.00052855 = 11.265 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 533 @ 0.00052821 = 0.2815 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16055 @ 0.00052821 = 8.4804 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1395 @ 0.00052819 = 0.7368 BTC [-]
dub: is there a new url format for fishgame my old code no work
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00053381 = 1.2518 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11749 @ 0.00053407 = 6.2748 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.0005285 = 1.2393 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10955 @ 0.00052819 = 5.7863 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8450 @ 0.00052819 = 4.4632 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2450 @ 0.00052764 = 1.2927 BTC [-]
pigeons: yes, the rate displayed on that site is a monthly rate, but still
pigeons: lot of coins to come out of nowhere and ask for
mircea_popescu: basically, the people with too much btc have to have a way to get rid of the burden
pigeons: this looks like a helpful way to accomplish that
mircea_popescu: This WOT is so complicated! I'm a usual game developer. I'm not able to get how to
mircea_popescu: register there and I've never used GPG or something like that. :)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 7105 @ 0.00339999 = 24.1569 BTC [+]
pigeons: so danieldaniel can figure out how to read the guide and register, but this guy is a "developer"
mircea_popescu: basically... all these people making sites on the theory that bitcoin is the new hip social media and the userbase will sort it out itself need to go away
mircea_popescu: preferably back to wow or whatever the fuck they were doing.
mircea_popescu: "I need this so I can pay my hosting and other things. I have very good credit and can furnish." pff
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00053372 = 1.2516 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14705 @ 0.00053407 = 7.8535 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C120T] 5 @ 0.06577646 = 0.3289 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C120T] 2 @ 0.06577646 = 0.1316 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C130T] 1 @ 0.03353922 BTC [-]
pigeons: i doubt that is the same freemoney
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00053211 = 1.2478 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12376 @ 0.00053193 = 6.5832 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9119 @ 0.00052764 = 4.8115 BTC [-]
pigeons: i'm going through btcjam and leaving comments since there's nothing on tv
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2352 @ 0.00338509 = 7.9617 BTC [-]
pigeons: why are you going to borrow at 7%/month to pay your cell phone bill that's in collections and stopped accruing interest?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00053402 = 1.2523 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9446 @ 0.00053407 = 5.0448 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11417 @ 0.00053481 = 6.1059 BTC [+]
pigeons: and the BTC could go up in value vs the USD his bill is in
mircea_popescu: did the person actually say that's what the btc is for ?!
pigeons: can't be a scam either, they have a verified facebook page!
Namjies: Aww... I'm sad without GLBSE... no crazy sellers/buyers for fast 100%+ profit flips.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2183 @ 0.00053481 = 1.1675 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3810 @ 0.00053561 = 2.0407 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: they want to borrow untraceable btc to repay phone bill in collections to be able to get money off the state that they will NEVER repay
pigeons: yeah basically, but they asked nicely
mircea_popescu: they need the "substance not form" doctrine extended to apply to this.
pigeons: i wish there were more loan requests, i could browse these all day
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.0005279 = 1.2379 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13481 @ 0.00052764 = 7.1131 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1524 @ 0.00052708 = 0.8033 BTC [-]
pigeons: "Need 12 more bitcoins for medication 4 son'
pigeons: "Loan to Buy Girlfriend Perfect Supprise Birthday Present"
mircea_popescu: im really impressed with the "we won't spend 30 btc to get reg'd on mpex cause it's expensive"
smickles: heh, btcjam scammers, who'd've thunk it
mircea_popescu: apparently there's still people who have too much btc for their sense.
gigavps: the angry mob has quitted down a bit
gigavps: i was trending on bitcoinx.com for a couple days though
smickles: heh, i stopped looking at bitcoinx because of that
gigavps: hopefully things will get better when i post the list and some faqs
gigavps: deprived seems to think i've changed the contract for some reason because of the way quentin wrote the claims letter
mircea_popescu: CGMINER GPU FPGA overc monit fanspd RPC stratum linux/windows/osx/mip/r-pi 2.9.5 59
mircea_popescu: gigavps : i think that argument revolves around the use of I. i guess many people figured you were doing the bonds personally
gigavps: well, they will believe whatever they want to believe
gigavps: giga vps is my handle for a reason
gigavps: my personal handle is liferealized
mircea_popescu: "Then we need a lawyer, ideally available to get paid when he recovers our stolen funds. Anyone can suggest one?"
gigavps: i haven't heard about kegels in a while
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: I thought that in guys made it worse not better
gigavps: better stop doing those kegels mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: "Exercises are usually done to reduce urinary incontinence,[3] reduce urinary incontinence after childbirth,[4] and reduce premature ejaculatory occurrences in men,[5] as well as to increase the size and intensity of erections.[6]" <<< there you go Diablo-D3
gigavps: the arrows are going in the wrong direction
Diablo-D3: dude, if my erect dick gets any bigger, Im going to have to start having sex with female horses.
mircea_popescu: mod6 someone should make a "choicest bits of -ass and other sets" programme.
Ukto: [11:55] <gribble> Estimated time of bitcoin block reward halving: Wed Nov 28 12:23:00 2012 | Time remaining: 2 days, 2 hours, 30 minutes, and 0 seconds
gribble: Estimated time of bitcoin block reward halving: Wed Nov 28 20:23:18 2012 UTC | Time remaining: 2 days, 2 hours, 30 minutes, and 0 seconds.
mod6: mircea_popescu: oh like a bash.org for classic moments in -ass land?
pigeons: look at the /q namespace on namecoin for quotes
gigavps: he/she/whomever seems to like to jump on the drama bandwagon
smickles: what is this /q namespace on namecoins a place to spend a little namecoin to permanently quote someone?
mircea_popescu: {"info": "we can spin it as 'we are closing' and do the neatest, cleanest, best run shut-down ever..."}
jurov: assbot is afk, apparently
smickles: ;;later tell kakrobrekla I think we lost assbot
smickles: So, on wikipedia, the statement about some people thinking that bitcoin is a ponzi with lame ass sources, seems to need to be countered wit a powerful statement sourcing the SEC, the ECB, a law professor discussing bitcoin, and a law professor discussing a digital currency based on Austrian school economics
smickles: woah, that does look like diffusion
smickles: it is certainly two divergent trends
smickles: one wide will win out, there are more bids than asks overall, but the asks 'pile up' much steaper
gribble: Estimated time of bitcoin block reward halving: Wed Nov 28 20:32:11 2012 UTC | Time remaining: 2 days, 1 hour, and 0 seconds.
mircea_popescu: every few months there's one of these that might make or break a few fortunes
smickles: well, how likely are people to freak out? taking the question in general... I'd say that we're doomed
smickles: clearly we should take icbit's futures marked as an acceptable prediction of the price after the reward halving
dub: is it safe to click his link, might be a scam
mircea_popescu: "Apparently usagi's now selling off FPGAs bought using BMF funds on behalf of BMF shareholders and using the proceeds to repay the "liquidity loans" he took out for CPA, presumably because he offered to make himself personally liable for those loans"
kakobrekla: dunno why it dies here and there, has to do something with ssl
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27900 @ 0.00053197 = 14.842 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2300 @ 0.00053197 = 1.2235 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15000 @ 0.00053853 = 8.078 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28513 @ 0.00053853 = 15.3551 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1000 @ 0.00053859 = 0.5386 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3472 @ 0.0005386 = 1.87 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17900 @ 0.0005386 = 9.6409 BTC [+]
dub: that guys mom needs to take away his computer
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6400 @ 0.00053597 = 3.4302 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3000 @ 0.00052898 = 1.5869 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5500 @ 0.00052824 = 2.9053 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17750 @ 0.00053525 = 9.5007 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13450 @ 0.0005386 = 7.2442 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6700 @ 0.00052824 = 3.5392 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9650 @ 0.00053173 = 5.1312 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 500 @ 0.00052824 = 0.2641 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 3050 @ 0.00336849 = 10.2739 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11250 @ 0.00052824 = 5.9427 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2150 @ 0.00052824 = 1.1357 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10450 @ 0.00052679 = 5.505 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8500 @ 0.00052881 = 4.4949 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6500 @ 0.00053133 = 3.4536 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4000 @ 0.00052881 = 2.1152 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22600 @ 0.00053133 = 12.0081 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4100 @ 0.00052887 = 2.1684 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2441 @ 0.00053133 = 1.297 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8550 @ 0.00052881 = 4.5213 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15250 @ 0.00052679 = 8.0335 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3000 @ 0.00052665 = 1.58 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1800 @ 0.00052548 = 0.9459 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3450 @ 0.00052548 = 1.8129 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 259 @ 0.00053133 = 0.1376 BTC [+]
dub: anyone can write a draft
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20700 @ 0.00053266 = 11.0261 BTC [+]
pigeons: yeah someone from microsoft submitted it
dub: surprised AAPL hasnt filed patent for 'coins made out of bits'
mircea_popescu: it's squarely in the bikeshed territory, the xbtc reference
pigeons: they need the cherry truck award
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10700 @ 0.00053416 = 5.7155 BTC [+]
jurov: nah, it was some noncompliant browser
gribble: Estimated time of bitcoin block reward halving: Wed Nov 28 20:12:08 2012 UTC | Time remaining: 1 day, 21 hours, 50 minutes, and 0 seconds.
gribble: Error: "asicshipped" is not a valid command.
jurov: i know i know, just trollin
Diablo-D3: I wonder if Ill get a block before then
Diablo-D3: douchebag keyboard, dropping letters
Ukto: hah, See: user error
Diablo-D3: sometimes I have to replug it because it wont repeat and half the keyboard is dead
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 12.30408, Best ask: 12.31269, Bid-ask spread: 0.00861, Last trade: 12.10701, 24 hour volume: 34526.91363606, 24 hour low: 11.89000, 24 hour high: 12.65150, 24 hour vwap: 12.37671
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23400 @ 0.00053416 = 12.4993 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 200 @ 0.00053434 = 0.1069 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00053288 = 1.2496 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1491 @ 0.00053266 = 0.7942 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 350 @ 0.00052548 = 0.1839 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6376 @ 0.00052508 = 3.3479 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7850 @ 0.00052502 = 4.1214 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3492 @ 0.00052358 = 1.8283 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: i wonder if blockblocking will follow cockblocking in the vernacular.
dub: wat is blockblocking
mircea_popescu: when someone impedes someone else from solving a block theyweren't going to solve anyway.
jurov: how would that be done, like, technically?
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: "are you going to eat that pussy? I mean, its just sitting there on the plate, you've barely touched it"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052374 = 1.2282 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7602 @ 0.00052358 = 3.9803 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2649 @ 0.00052019 = 1.378 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4404 @ 0.00052018 = 2.2909 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13946 @ 0.00052018 = 7.2544 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4204 @ 0.0005198 = 2.1852 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00053421 = 1.2527 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15750 @ 0.00053434 = 8.4159 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 555 @ 0.00053458 = 0.2967 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00053036 = 1.2437 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5813 @ 0.0005302 = 3.0821 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13200 @ 0.00051989 = 6.8625 BTC [-]
gribble: Error: "rewardhalf" is not a valid command.
gribble: Estimated time of bitcoin block reward halving: Wed Nov 28 19:52:54 2012 UTC | Time remaining: 1 day, 20 hours, 50 minutes, and 0 seconds.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25346 @ 0.0005198 = 13.1749 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10254 @ 0.00051955 = 5.3275 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11642 @ 0.00051989 = 6.0526 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15608 @ 0.00052699 = 8.2253 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19300 @ 0.00051979 = 10.0319 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6800 @ 0.00051955 = 3.5329 BTC [-]
Ukto: another linode hack ? 0,o
dub: no just shit connectivity
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5821 @ 0.00051955 = 3.0243 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14370 @ 0.00051955 = 7.4659 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11000 @ 0.00051953 = 5.7148 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7100 @ 0.00051912 = 3.6858 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17800 @ 0.00051888 = 9.2361 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8350 @ 0.00051873 = 4.3314 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7798 @ 0.00051861 = 4.0441 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13400 @ 0.00051861 = 6.9494 BTC [-]
dub: google translate failed me
dub: smelly cheese was first guess
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3902 @ 0.00051861 = 2.0236 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2991 @ 0.00051854 = 1.551 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11807 @ 0.00051847 = 6.1216 BTC [-]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 12.19998, Best ask: 12.19999, Bid-ask spread: 0.00001, Last trade: 12.19999, 24 hour volume: 35150.08809202, 24 hour low: 11.89000, 24 hour high: 12.65150, 24 hour vwap: 12.36118
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2443 @ 0.00051847 = 1.2666 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10600 @ 0.0005182 = 5.4929 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31150 @ 0.00051812 = 16.1394 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12850 @ 0.00051807 = 6.6572 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8607 @ 0.00051788 = 4.4574 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7870 @ 0.0005224 = 4.1113 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8100 @ 0.00053058 = 4.2977 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25000 @ 0.00053131 = 13.2828 BTC [+]
Doffx: Someone sold around 10000
Doffx: I need 10500 bitcoins to sell, you would most likely not see me online again.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4200 @ 0.00053131 = 2.2315 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5582 @ 0.00053058 = 2.9617 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16668 @ 0.00053049 = 8.8422 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3032 @ 0.00053049 = 1.6084 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13500 @ 0.00052686 = 7.1126 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14900 @ 0.00052527 = 7.8265 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C060T] 1000 @ 0.51492215 = 514.9222 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 200 @ 0.00336849 = 0.6737 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2150 @ 0.00339999 = 7.31 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3248 @ 0.00052527 = 1.7061 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 702 @ 0.00052461 = 0.3683 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C060T] 1000 @ 0.51492215 = 514.9222 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2798 @ 0.00052461 = 1.4679 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20600 @ 0.00052037 = 10.7196 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4593 @ 0.00051788 = 2.3786 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10337 @ 0.00051787 = 5.3532 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13837 @ 0.00051778 = 7.1645 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C060T] 1000 @ 0.51492215 = 514.9222 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5302 @ 0.00051811 = 2.747 BTC [+]
smickles: heh, good link tho, very entertaining
smickles: naw, you'd be cool, considring it's a numbers quiz
dub: not enough tentacle rape
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3048 @ 0.00052322 = 1.5948 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7313 @ 0.00051778 = 3.7865 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26639 @ 0.00051777 = 13.7929 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00051829 = 1.2154 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15358 @ 0.00051855 = 7.9639 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21000 @ 0.00051855 = 10.8896 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16600 @ 0.00051855 = 8.6079 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00051592 = 1.2098 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25102 @ 0.00051586 = 12.9491 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00051835 = 1.2155 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10392 @ 0.00051855 = 5.3888 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3063 @ 0.00052181 = 1.5983 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00051591 = 1.2098 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4598 @ 0.00051586 = 2.3719 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3683 @ 0.00051404 = 1.8932 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7474 @ 0.00051394 = 3.8412 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C070T] 1000 @ 0.42938889 = 429.3889 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C080T] 1000 @ 0.34744445 = 347.4445 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6026 @ 0.00051394 = 3.097 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1774 @ 0.00051386 = 0.9116 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 200 @ 0.00339856 = 0.6797 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1400 @ 0.00334557 = 4.6838 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00051832 = 1.2155 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6200 @ 0.00051851 = 3.2148 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 374 @ 0.00052054 = 0.1947 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3976 @ 0.00052054 = 2.0697 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4249 @ 0.00052181 = 2.2172 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15629 @ 0.0005199 = 8.1255 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11521 @ 0.00051386 = 5.9202 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00051408 = 1.2055 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9454 @ 0.00051386 = 4.858 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5251 @ 0.00051386 = 2.6983 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3949 @ 0.00051379 = 2.029 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.0005215 = 1.2229 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3059 @ 0.00052181 = 1.5962 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1174 @ 0.00052181 = 0.6126 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16800 @ 0.00052203 = 8.7701 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10726 @ 0.00052351 = 5.6152 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13550 @ 0.00052351 = 7.0936 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11950 @ 0.00052126 = 6.2291 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1005 @ 0.00334557 = 3.3623 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00051983 = 1.219 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10055 @ 0.00051948 = 5.2234 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1745 @ 0.00051948 = 0.9065 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21055 @ 0.00051379 = 10.8178 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052114 = 1.2221 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4605 @ 0.00052126 = 2.4004 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5272 @ 0.00052126 = 2.7481 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1350 @ 0.00334522 = 4.516 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00051387 = 1.205 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8246 @ 0.00051379 = 4.2367 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8159 @ 0.00051355 = 4.1901 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13650 @ 0.00051972 = 7.0942 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2550 @ 0.00051429 = 1.3114 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5350 @ 0.00051921 = 2.7778 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052031 = 1.2201 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17155 @ 0.00052045 = 8.9283 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3188 @ 0.00052045 = 1.6592 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00051946 = 1.2181 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6855 @ 0.00051921 = 3.5592 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12245 @ 0.00051921 = 6.3577 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8536 @ 0.00051355 = 4.3837 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052014 = 1.2197 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1057 @ 0.00052045 = 0.5501 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3898 @ 0.00052126 = 2.0319 BTC [+]
gribble: Error: "bc,rewardhalf" is not a valid command.
gribble: Estimated time of bitcoin block reward halving: Wed Nov 28 19:39:45 2012 UTC | Time remaining: 1 day, 11 hours, and 0 seconds.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00051388 = 1.205 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10188 @ 0.00051355 = 5.232 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5550 @ 0.00051355 = 2.8502 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4887 @ 0.00051355 = 2.5097 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10998 @ 0.00051313 = 5.6434 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13702 @ 0.00051313 = 7.0309 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 360 @ 0.00051312 = 0.1847 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5000 @ 0.00051312 = 2.5656 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1445 @ 0.00334522 = 4.8338 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 355 @ 0.00335332 = 1.1904 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19490 @ 0.00051312 = 10.0007 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7610 @ 0.00051284 = 3.9027 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.0005167 = 1.2117 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18655 @ 0.00051704 = 9.6454 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1600 @ 0.00051313 = 0.821 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8478 @ 0.00051284 = 4.3479 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7222 @ 0.00051275 = 3.7031 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00051281 = 1.2025 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13578 @ 0.00051275 = 6.9621 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1227 @ 0.00051244 = 0.6288 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00051489 = 1.2074 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7505 @ 0.00051507 = 3.8656 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00051251 = 1.2018 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4355 @ 0.00051244 = 2.2317 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1750 @ 0.00051244 = 0.8968 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00051477 = 1.2071 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8355 @ 0.00051507 = 4.3034 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00051258 = 1.202 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27754 @ 0.00051244 = 14.2223 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11801 @ 0.0005124 = 6.0468 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28899 @ 0.0005124 = 14.8078 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5151 @ 0.00051226 = 2.6387 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8512 @ 0.00051226 = 4.3604 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3537 @ 0.00051226 = 1.8119 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1863 @ 0.00051225 = 0.9543 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1850 @ 0.00051491 = 0.9526 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 495 @ 0.00051491 = 0.2549 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11273 @ 0.00051507 = 5.8064 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.0005126 = 1.202 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16055 @ 0.00051225 = 8.2242 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00051481 = 1.2072 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6358 @ 0.00051507 = 3.2748 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8795 @ 0.00051704 = 4.5474 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10202 @ 0.00051733 = 5.2778 BTC [+]
gribble: Error: "btchalf" is not a valid command.
gribble: Error: "half" is not a valid command.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12600 @ 0.00051355 = 6.4707 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12048 @ 0.00051733 = 6.2328 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28452 @ 0.00051736 = 14.7199 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17490 @ 0.00051736 = 9.0486 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1310 @ 0.00051823 = 0.6789 BTC [+]
gribble: Estimated time of bitcoin block reward halving: Wed Nov 28 18:37:28 2012 UTC | Time remaining: 1 day, 7 hours, 20 minutes, and 0 seconds.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00051282 = 1.2026 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10700 @ 0.00051259 = 5.4847 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3184 @ 0.00051225 = 1.631 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3247 @ 0.00051208 = 1.6627 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00051793 = 1.2145 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35857 @ 0.00051823 = 18.5822 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 300 @ 0.00334119 = 1.0024 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 183 @ 0.00051823 = 0.0948 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9776 @ 0.00051846 = 5.0685 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13341 @ 0.00051854 = 6.9178 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00051801 = 1.2147 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1555 @ 0.00051795 = 0.8054 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13950 @ 0.00051795 = 7.2254 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20664 @ 0.0005175 = 10.6936 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5486 @ 0.0005175 = 2.839 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2264 @ 0.00051208 = 1.1593 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24589 @ 0.00051208 = 12.5915 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5911 @ 0.00051203 = 3.0266 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2750 @ 0.00051203 = 1.4081 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1150 @ 0.00051774 = 0.5954 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00051846 = 1.2158 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4624 @ 0.00051854 = 2.3977 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2032 @ 0.00051854 = 1.0537 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8010 @ 0.00052043 = 4.1686 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1000 @ 0.00052078 = 0.5208 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6106 @ 0.00052079 = 3.1799 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7294 @ 0.00052079 = 3.7986 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8168 @ 0.00052091 = 4.2548 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00051977 = 1.2189 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7274 @ 0.00051954 = 3.7791 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1194 @ 0.00051954 = 0.6203 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8706 @ 0.00051789 = 4.5088 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052086 = 1.2214 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1000 @ 0.0005209 = 0.5209 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4936 @ 0.00052091 = 2.5712 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18446 @ 0.00052091 = 9.6087 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15054 @ 0.00052126 = 7.847 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5121 @ 0.00052126 = 2.6694 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14300 @ 0.00052146 = 7.4569 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16850 @ 0.00052229 = 8.8006 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6573 @ 0.00052253 = 3.4346 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2956 @ 0.00052336 = 1.5471 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.0005204 = 1.2203 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13900 @ 0.00052036 = 7.233 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9622 @ 0.0005171 = 4.9755 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052308 = 1.2266 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10755 @ 0.00052336 = 5.6287 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052321 = 1.2269 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5505 @ 0.00052336 = 2.8811 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00051756 = 1.2137 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22255 @ 0.00051738 = 11.5143 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052309 = 1.2266 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7819 @ 0.00052336 = 4.0922 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7011 @ 0.00052351 = 3.6703 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 925 @ 0.00052382 = 0.4845 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10450 @ 0.00052382 = 5.4739 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00051749 = 1.2135 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3845 @ 0.00051738 = 1.9893 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11310 @ 0.0005171 = 5.8484 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052355 = 1.2277 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 825 @ 0.00052382 = 0.4322 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4808 @ 0.00052414 = 2.5201 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1000 @ 0.00052417 = 0.5242 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18272 @ 0.00052418 = 9.5778 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 800 @ 0.00334119 = 2.673 BTC [-]
gribble: Estimated time of bitcoin block reward halving: Wed Nov 28 18:40:13 2012 UTC | Time remaining: 1 day, 4 hours, and 0 seconds.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00051711 = 1.2126 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6373 @ 0.0005171 = 3.2955 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7135 @ 0.00051576 = 3.6799 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5347 @ 0.0005122 = 2.7387 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052392 = 1.2286 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2931 @ 0.00052418 = 1.5364 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15724 @ 0.00052421 = 8.2427 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2269 @ 0.00052421 = 1.1894 BTC [+]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 11.95000, Best ask: 11.99998, Bid-ask spread: 0.04998, Last trade: 11.99999, 24 hour volume: 43477.60197387, 24 hour low: 11.89000, 24 hour high: 12.55800, 24 hour vwap: 12.17801
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 245 @ 0.00335332 = 0.8216 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052284 = 1.2261 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12737 @ 0.00052253 = 6.6555 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052407 = 1.2289 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1799 @ 0.00052421 = 0.9431 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052266 = 1.2256 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3144 @ 0.00052253 = 1.6428 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8761 @ 0.00051642 = 4.5244 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00051669 = 1.2116 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8464 @ 0.00051642 = 4.371 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11300 @ 0.00051607 = 5.8316 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 391 @ 0.00051602 = 0.2018 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: Lobbyist Michael Kiok, who lives with his dog Cassie, told the newspaper there were more than 100,000 zoophiles in Germany.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16334 @ 0.00051602 = 8.4287 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8161 @ 0.00051602 = 4.2112 BTC [-]
mod6: yeah, weird. just says: We could not find the page you requested. This is either because: bla bla bla
mod6: the telegraph site comes up, but the article itself seems to be missing from their database or someweird shit
mircea_popescu: well it wasn't any big deal, just a write-up about some campaign trying to make animal fucking illegal again
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4253 @ 0.0005122 = 2.1784 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17089 @ 0.00051203 = 8.7501 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9600 @ 0.00051191 = 4.9143 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8908 @ 0.0005119 = 4.56 BTC [-]
EskimoBob: nothing juicy at all "CME said that individuals holding MTB warrants, or certificates for a specific lot of metal stored in the depository, may receive gold delivered from Brinks Co. (BCO) in New York. MTB is responsible for any additional costs incurred by customers receiving metal from Brinks, CME said"
Ukto: in this case, they are using it as "can"
EskimoBob: mircea_popescu: read what Ukto writes ...
Ukto: they are saying that they will fullfill contracts.. be it from them, or it may come from brinks
Ukto: not that the contracts may be honored
Ukto: the way I read it at least
Ukto: it is vauge wording though
mircea_popescu: you don't really call fm if you intend to enforce the contract at no cost to the op.
mod6: its the ole "sorry, can't deliver your gold on contract because of act of god..." excuse ;P
mircea_popescu: "sorry, can't deliver your gold on contract for gold we never actually had because of act of god...
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6492 @ 0.0005119 = 3.3233 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16100 @ 0.00051181 = 8.2401 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5556 @ 0.00051166 = 2.8428 BTC [-]
smickles: copumpkin: my question is, how come everyone in these sorts of questions haven't been paying taxes for years
copumpkin: those welfare queens buying italian pizza ovens
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17000 @ 0.00051248 = 8.7122 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10089 @ 0.00051308 = 5.1765 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12335 @ 0.00052421 = 6.4661 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3576 @ 0.00052436 = 1.8751 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052433 = 1.2296 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7955 @ 0.00052436 = 4.1713 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00051256 = 1.202 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6850 @ 0.00051248 = 3.5105 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13894 @ 0.00051166 = 7.109 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3511 @ 0.00051165 = 1.7964 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: hm, i must be dense. why is the taxpayer liable for more tax if the tax was cut 0.0
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5500 @ 0.00051165 = 2.8141 BTC [-]
gigavps: mircea_popescu fuzzy maffs
EskimoBob: what is that? "voluntary-contracts-after-a-while/#comment-90702 <<< extended by 2 weeks!"
mircea_popescu: there's a writing contest with something over 100btc in prize funds.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 881 @ 0.00051165 = 0.4508 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5105 @ 0.00051146 = 2.611 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052408 = 1.229 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26205 @ 0.00052436 = 13.7409 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5489 @ 0.00051472 = 2.8253 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13500 @ 0.00051472 = 6.9487 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00051471 = 1.207 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 216 @ 0.00051472 = 0.1112 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 524 @ 0.00052436 = 0.2748 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3300 @ 0.00052457 = 1.7311 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10515 @ 0.00052461 = 5.5163 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19890 @ 0.00051862 = 10.3154 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10360 @ 0.0005252 = 5.4411 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5840 @ 0.0005252 = 3.0672 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13962 @ 0.0005253 = 7.3342 BTC [+]
smickles: 16:24 < mircea_popescu> it was originally due to end yest. <<< sweet, an extension? The thing I'm writing got put off because I had to do other things, maybe now I can finish it :)
jurov: i tried to subcontract the story, only one writer understood it, and finished it late and it still deals heavily with law enforcement
jurov: hope he'll improve it in the 2 weeks.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8000 @ 0.00051962 = 4.157 BTC [-]
jurov: should have tried to write something myself instead... maybe I'd surprise myself like dong that cherry truck
jurov: *the story deals with law enforcement, not the writer. lmao
smickles: "…as a point of fact if you couldn’t defend yourself in any criminal proceeding whatsoever right now, you’re already in prison." oooh, zing
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12900 @ 0.00052049 = 6.7143 BTC [+]
smickles: jurov: before or after they didn't deliver on time?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4500 @ 0.00052049 = 2.3422 BTC [+]
jurov: after... i already have a dispute with a scammer on that project, so i said, fuck that i dont need another one
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5750 @ 0.00051962 = 2.9878 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12450 @ 0.00051397 = 6.3989 BTC [-]
jurov: and in the middle suddenly vworker got sold to freelance, several days it was nearly unusable
jurov: so i can say there was executive meddling, too :D
jurov: still i don't get why freelancer.com is #1 . simple task like moving a deadline requires emailing to support both for employer and worker, wtf?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00051432 = 1.2061 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20310 @ 0.00051397 = 10.4387 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00051418 = 1.2058 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32697 @ 0.00051397 = 16.8053 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 558 @ 0.00051294 = 0.2862 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 6555 @ 0.00337618 = 22.1309 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 495 @ 0.00334119 = 1.6539 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4211 @ 0.00051294 = 2.16 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18200 @ 0.00051837 = 9.4343 BTC [+]
Namjies: Ah, OTC has nothing to say about it.
jcpham: i like the blue buttons
Namjies: Eh, just wanted to know if they looked fine. Bootstrap inspired of course.
Namjies: But I made them less tall and more pronounced.
EskimoBob: lets hope this takes less than 30 days :)
jcpham: pigeons ordered drugs from you EskimoBob?
EskimoBob: lots of melting snow and polar bear shit
jcpham: he usually just buys drugs from me
EskimoBob: OK, i guess he has made some changes to his menu
jcpham: cocaine-infused air molecules
jcpham: pretty high-grade shit
jurov: yes. i hoped for 1st prize, too
Diablo-D3: LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooooooooooooooooo...........
Diablo-D3: ..............oooooooooooooooOOOOOOOOOOOOOLLLLLLLLL
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00051815 = 1.2151 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2105 @ 0.00051822 = 1.0909 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00051675 = 1.2118 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1555 @ 0.0005167 = 0.8035 BTC [-]
Diablo-D3: this is the sound of several thousand investors shitting their pants in unison
Diablo-D3: jcpham: they're not preorder customers.
mircea_popescu: and obviously, all the people sending them free money.
Diablo-D3: bfl needs to stop referring to them in such an improper way
jcpham: maybe i didn't read the whole thread?
mircea_popescu: it's funny that not even a week ago inaba was intimating bfl is worth more than mpex
mircea_popescu: turns out it was worth more in the sense glbse was worth more :
copumpkin: you don't pay more tax than you would otherwise, but due to the discrepancy between your accounts and the tax reports, you need to adjust your accounts to factor in the increased rate
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22495 @ 0.0005167 = 11.6232 BTC [-]
copumpkin: but the tax rate did go up, so you would pay more tax
copumpkin: it's just a huge pain in the ass to account for it
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6205 @ 0.00051605 = 3.2021 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.0005182 = 1.2152 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15250 @ 0.00051822 = 7.9029 BTC [+]
gribble: Error: "rewardhalf" is not a valid command.
gribble: Estimated time of bitcoin block reward halving: Wed Nov 28 18:50:51 2012 UTC | Time remaining: 1 day, 0 hours, 30 minutes, and 0 seconds.
gribble: Error: "half" is not a valid command.
copumpkin: I haven't looked at the question since earlier
Diablo-D3: I have 24 hours to produce a block :<
jcpham: can we have an irc party
copumpkin: anyway, whatever it is, you need to account for it :)
jurov: Diablo-D3 maybe we can organize prayer marathon for you
mircea_popescu: copumpkin well, only need to account for it if you hadn't filed the taxes for the prev years, but anyway! my q was strictly cause it went down
copumpkin: no, it isn't about not filing them
copumpkin: it's about actual discrepancies in procedures
copumpkin: so you often need to depreciate things differently on your taxes and on your accounts
copumpkin: or account for warranty expenses differently
copumpkin: like if you have an asset, accounting standards have different ways you can depreciate it over time, but the taxes probably want a particular way called double-declining balance
copumpkin: which means that it looks like you lost more money to depreciation on your taxes than you did on your accounts
copumpkin: which means you paid less in taxes (Because they think you lost money to depreciation) today but your accounts don't show that depreciation because you used a different method on them
mircea_popescu: i don't like using any diff method than the tax method.
copumpkin: so you file a deferred tax liability saying "um, the tax man thinks we lost way more money than we did this year and charged us less taxes, but we haven't lost it yet"
copumpkin: that's the thing though, the IFRS has requirements for the depreciation method
copumpkin: and they don't all mesh with the tax method
copumpkin: sometimes they might ,depending on what kind of asset it is
copumpkin: also, warranty expenses are fucked as well for different reasons
mircea_popescu: but as long as you do everything the tax way you don't have a problem.
copumpkin: no, you do, because then you aren't meeting the US GAAP/IFRS standards
copumpkin: which means that auditors or the SEC might bitch
gribble: Estimated time of bitcoin block reward halving: Wed Nov 28 18:48:06 2012 UTC | Time remaining: 1 day, 0 hours, 20 minutes, and 0 seconds.
copumpkin: maybe smickles can provide a justification for the whole thing, but the best I can come up with is that a company's accounts serve a different purpose than its tax returns
copumpkin: mostly it just feels stupid though :P
copumpkin: but regardless, I need to know it, so I learn it
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00051395 = 1.2052 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30050 @ 0.00051392 = 15.4433 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2405 @ 0.00051294 = 1.2336 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: copumpkin they may bitch, but you can't really get into trouble by sticking with the tax version.
mircea_popescu: people in general don't do it because they'd like to present better numbers.
copumpkin: well, the discrepances can both favor you or work against you
copumpkin: that's why you can have deferred tax liabilities or assets
copumpkin: Like many other common law countries, the United States government does not directly set accounting standards by statute. However, the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) requires that US GAAP be followed in financial reporting by publicly traded companies
copumpkin: so if you're public, you can't just do what the taxes do
mircea_popescu: in truth, this deferred assets/liabilities game + the SPV game is pretty much 90% of why nobody knows what corps are reallty worth
mircea_popescu: takes people like buffett a month of combing to get a rough idea.
copumpkin: that's just cause he's an old fart and is dumb
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00051816 = 1.2151 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1095 @ 0.00051822 = 0.5675 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5660 @ 0.00052068 = 2.947 BTC [+]
copumpkin: mircea_popescu: just follow the fibonacci numbers on the price graph and you'll make way more money anyway
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8650 @ 0.00051452 = 4.4506 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 350 @ 0.00051298 = 0.1795 BTC [-]
smickles: 18:29 < copumpkin> maybe smickles can provide a justification for the whole thing, but the best I can come up with is that a company's accounts serve a different purpose than its tax returns <<< this is true, taxes are not handled the same way as responsible accounting
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052055 = 1.2207 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8155 @ 0.00052068 = 4.2461 BTC [+]
smickles: 18:30 < mircea_popescu> copumpkin they may bitch, but you can't really get into trouble by sticking with the tax version<<< the thing is, sticking to the tax version doesn't accurately represent the status of the company
mircea_popescu: well... a representation is a representation smickles.
mircea_popescu: all representations depend on presupositions to decode.
smickles: heh, trying to move this to an ontological discussion?
mircea_popescu: i really don't follow how anyone'd be foolish enough to sign two different accounting reports.
mircea_popescu: you then proceed to sign a different one, someone shows they contradict themselves and whoopla, you've perjured yourself.
mircea_popescu: as long as you're required to sign off on the tax one, it's the one. anyone doesn't like it can stand on his head.
smickles: but you sign the tax one saying that its correct in consideration of the way tax law says it has to be done
smickles: you sign the real one saying it's correct to to the standards
mircea_popescu: "correct to the best of your knowledge" is the usual formula.
smickles: and, iirc, the 'tax one' is not usually a report, it's the filed tax forms
mircea_popescu: but anyway. i guess such issues are why i;m neither an accountant nor would contemplate becoming one
smickles: and why I see money in understanding them
smickles: copumpkin: in order to consider that offer seriously, i'd have to know how far down i'd have to bring it
smickles: it might also be possible for next year's taxes, but not this years, as it could involve operating an off-shore company for the full year
copumpkin: mircea_popescu: I'm offering him 6 btc to take my effective tax rate to 15%
copumpkin: any more than that and it isn't worth it ;)
copumpkin: mircea_popescu: I have an offer for you. You lend me 100k btc, I pay you back 200k next week
copumpkin: perhaps I should've waited a little longer
copumpkin: mircea_popescu: disregard that, I'll ask again in a bit
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26500 @ 0.00051816 = 13.7312 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1104 @ 0.00051816 = 0.572 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17996 @ 0.00051972 = 9.3529 BTC [+]
smickles: copumpkin: are we talking, lowering it 18000 or lowering it more than that?
copumpkin: well, you can calculate based on my 7 btc limit!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9550 @ 0.00051972 = 4.9633 BTC [+]
copumpkin: smickles: it's sort of joking around though, because I doubt it's possible to lower much, since I don't work for myself or have a company and can't really deduct most of my expenses
copumpkin: which is where I think most of that sort of goodness comes from
smickles: if my assumptions are correct, as well as you not taking advantage of various things, it might actually be possible
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4100 @ 0.00051972 = 2.1309 BTC [+]
smickles: like, how much do you contribute to your retirement fund?
copumpkin: I have a pretty boring finanicial situation :)
smickles: well, if you don't have an IRA, we can knock of 5000 right there
copumpkin: yeah, I'm doing a backdoor roth IRA
smickles: well, do you pay for childcare?
copumpkin: nah, I'm unmarried, don't own a house, don't have children
smickles: plastered your home in solar pannels yet?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1995 @ 0.00051298 = 1.0234 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12126 @ 0.00051294 = 6.2199 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24703 @ 0.00051221 = 12.6531 BTC [-]
copumpkin: anyway, I was planning on maxing out the 401k pretax contribution next year, and squeezing more than is supposed to be possible into the roth
smickles: adopt a kid, in a certain way, start an education fund for it, and hire a nanny, that's about 20000 of lowering
copumpkin: but doesn't the nanny cost me money?
copumpkin: can I get a virtual kid, like a tamatochi?
smickles: heh, you didn't ask to make it better overall, you asked to get into the 15% bracket
smickles: also, the nanny might be paid for by EIC,
copumpkin: what if I knock up 20 different girls and claim 20 kids
copumpkin: but leave them to take care of them and don't pay childcare
smickles: they'd have to all be born this year :|
copumpkin: I think my best bet is to set up some sort of S-corp or something and then do "consulting" on the side that lets me deduct a bunch of things
smickles: I think you could also 'lend' a lot of money to your family, not charge interest, but be required to count a certain minimum amount of interest as income even tho you didn't charge it
jcpham: you guys are reminding me that i need an accountant
copumpkin: wait, why would counting additional income from non-existent interest be beneficial?
smickles: copumpkin: in this case, the corp should have all losses
copumpkin: oh, I'd count it as being due but not getting collected
jcpham: smickles is definitely my number one choice for ninja accountant
smickles: well, your investment in the corp would lower your income, and the corp wouldn't pay taxes because only profit is taxed
copumpkin: unfortunately, sending a bunch of money overseas to my parents will probably get me on a TSA watchlist for "funding terror" or something like that
smickles: and if we can't help but profit on this corp, we keep the money in the corp, and have it setup in ireland or somewhere good for taxes
smickles: plus, we must not forget, you can deduct the cost of tax prep from last year
copumpkin: I didn't spend much money on that :P
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.0005124 = 1.2016 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7483 @ 0.00051221 = 3.8329 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00051964 = 1.2186 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4655 @ 0.00051972 = 2.4193 BTC [+]
jurov: copumpkin, learn them how to exchange bitcoins :P
dub: I made the jesus mint sauce
dub: moar like mint beurre blanc but sweet
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00051951 = 1.2183 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11667 @ 0.00051972 = 6.0636 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8488 @ 0.00051972 = 4.4114 BTC [+]
gribble: Estimated time of bitcoin block reward halving: Wed Nov 28 19:06:53 2012 UTC | Time remaining: 23 hours, 30 minutes, and 0 seconds.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16700 @ 0.00052039 = 8.6905 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2000 @ 0.00052068 = 1.0414 BTC [+]
copumpkin: smickles: what made you decide you wanted to go into accounting?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9835 @ 0.00052068 = 5.1209 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10615 @ 0.00052182 = 5.5391 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6100 @ 0.00052182 = 3.1831 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12785 @ 0.00052182 = 6.6715 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11415 @ 0.00052279 = 5.9676 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1235 @ 0.00052279 = 0.6456 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11150 @ 0.00052408 = 5.8435 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8300 @ 0.00052524 = 4.3595 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9569 @ 0.0005253 = 5.0266 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2869 @ 0.0005253 = 1.5071 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6650 @ 0.00052554 = 3.4948 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1000 @ 0.00052562 = 0.5256 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4431 @ 0.00052563 = 2.3291 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4932 @ 0.00052563 = 2.5924 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: as opposed to all the other girls people like not for their boobies
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.0005202 = 1.2199 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1055 @ 0.00051993 = 0.5485 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052021 = 1.2199 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1557 @ 0.00051993 = 0.8095 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20823 @ 0.00051991 = 10.8261 BTC [-]
smickles: 19:42 < copumpkin> smickles: what made you decide you wanted to go into accounting? <<< well, I actually like doing the work which is involved in most aspects of accounting. Also, once if figured out that it's actually a valuable service,... well, it seems like an honorable profession to me
Namjies: smickles: it is. Valuable services.
Namjies: Taxes and income reporting keeps getting more complex.
copumpkin: smickles: cool, seems like a good reason :)
Namjies: Also just keeping records can be burdensome for large enterprises.
smickles: Namjies: once they process my llc paperwork, i'll need a good webpage where people can order my services, it looks like you might be one of the peeps i ask for a bid on that from
Namjies: ... what do you want as a logo?
smickles: woah, i just realized it's not "nameworld"
Namjies: Hmm... odd. I see many websites with a logo similarly placed. I always liked it like that.
Namjies: Ah. What makes it look out of place?
Diablo-D3: Im guessing mp has not seen my boobies comment yet
mircea_popescu: Namjies i'm not an expert in design so i can't really cogently explain. it's a matter of style.
Namjies: Eh, I just hoped you could explain what in the graphic bothered you when placed there. Like the contrast with the black background. Or anything like that.
mircea_popescu: probably the sharp edges of the letters, their straightness, the spacing between M and W
JWU_42: i can't recall the format to get bitcoind to show more than 10 transactions
smickles: ah copumpkin I just thought of something
smickles: I'm not positive on it, but ... you're a hireling, right?
copumpkin: well, I'm "between jobs" right now
mircea_popescu: and it will be a girl, and she'll be really hot, and he'll be really bothered.
smickles: you are an employee of a company
smickles: if you form an llc, and get your employer to hire the llc instead of you, and your llc pays you a low salary, but high dividends, you'd be taxed at 15%
FabianB: mircea_popescu: y is -pr not in irc?
Namjies: Because mircea manage the IRC?
copumpkin: smickles: I'm not sure I can pull that off, but it'd be amusing if I could
copumpkin: smickles: but dividend rates are going up anyway, right?
FabianB: mircea_popescu: chat/gossip?
smickles: they hire the llc as a contractor,
smickles: they don't have to mess with witholding your taxes and such
smickles: -pr comes around to irc ocassionally
smickles: or someone pretending to be her
copumpkin: smickles: interesting. I'll look into it, but it might complicate compliance issues and things like that
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052559 = 1.2325 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11783 @ 0.00052563 = 6.1935 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16772 @ 0.00052565 = 8.8162 BTC [+]
smickles: copumpkin: it make it to where you'd have to keep track of your own taxes and pay quarterly estimates
copumpkin: smickles: yeah, or hire someone else to do that for me :P
smickles: heh, that's what accountants are for :D
copumpkin: smickles: how common is it to give hired LLCs bonuses and stuff like that?
copumpkin: it seems like they'd typically be given fixed contract rates
smickles: copumpkin: i'd have to do research, but i'm sure bonuses could easily be part of contracts
dub: usually you wouldnt get bonuses but you are paid more up front
mircea_popescu: Diablo-D3 someone's been recently posting all these delicious healtyh women
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052564 = 1.2326 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14678 @ 0.00052565 = 7.7155 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6630 @ 0.0005261 = 3.488 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: reward halves, bfl goes bankrupt, massive run on competitors, no asics till summer.
FabianB: if that's worst, what's best?
mircea_popescu: BFL delivers in december, 1 other competitor also delivers by january, diif > 20 mn by july, btc ~ 15ish
smickles: mircea_popescu: worst case senario, the reward halving causes so many people to stop mining, txns stagnate, killing the economy, by the time the diff adjusts or asics hit in full swing, no one is interested, price = .1
EskimoBob: "mircea_popescu | btc price = 50 on july 1st, diff ~5mn ?" - if no new and useful services, I think it will be more like 5 EUR
smickles: and that was b/f mircea knew SR was down for a long time
EskimoBob: no, I visited your site 3 months ago and it had pictures of rainbow ponies and I listing of some shares.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3158 @ 0.00052443 = 1.6561 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052407 = 1.2289 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1147 @ 0.00052398 = 0.601 BTC [-]
smickles: mircea_popescu: the time to install the *actual* honeypot equipment?
mircea_popescu: if you upgrade you sanely set up the new server first then unplug
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052426 = 1.2294 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11305 @ 0.00052398 = 5.9236 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: think about it. pretty much the only funnier alternative is if boxxy made btc
kuzetsa: copumpkin: I don't consider the notion of nefario = satoshi to be any less plausible than gavin being satoshi
EskimoBob: i still don't know how it happened
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14348 @ 0.00052398 = 7.5181 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7752 @ 0.00052341 = 4.0575 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: kuzetsa well that's for sure, seeing how it ain't gavin.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla "smpake.com looks like a great idea. I'll read up on it."
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24600 @ 0.0005235 = 12.8781 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18950 @ 0.00052341 = 9.9186 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16300 @ 0.00052341 = 8.5316 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: doing some advertising for mpex/bitcoin on digitalpoint
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15500 @ 0.00052341 = 8.1129 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15098 @ 0.00052341 = 7.9024 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5233 @ 0.0005229 = 2.7363 BTC [-]
Namjies: digitalpoint... I stopped going there long ago
Namjies: Must not be cheap to advertise on Digitalpoint
Namjies: Eh, not sure if digitalpoint is the best audience. Tell me about it when you get some data.
mircea_popescu: well kinda what i'm doing, will publish the results if they suck.
Namjies: I keep saying mpex should be on it's own domain...
Namjies: People like 1 domain, 1 business
Namjies: Not like you don't have a MPEx domain...
Namjies: Except in business, where it matters. Because you want their money.
Namjies: Don't start reading there... I was in there for some time...
mircea_popescu: as you know there is many websites regarding blog post , I don't know how should earn money through it ?!!
mircea_popescu: To make from Payperpost, you neeed to have a very good blog with big popularity and many readers, you must be a sort of influencer. Then, you propose your blog on Payperpost and if advertisers are interested to your blog, they will want to make a post in your blog.
Namjies: Many non-native english speakers.
Namjies: Also too much spam and Indians, some extremely good to top it. Even if most traffic is US, people are used to lower wages/prices for services.
Namjies: Consider it as majorly a US hiring freelancing Indians, at least for the marketplace.
Namjies: Although there's business from around the world, from what I remember, it's mostly that.
gribble: Estimated time of bitcoin block reward halving: Wed Nov 28 19:17:21 2012 UTC | Time remaining: 17 hours, 50 minutes, and 0 seconds.
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 12.23545, Best ask: 12.29000, Bid-ask spread: 0.05455, Last trade: 12.23545, 24 hour volume: 31807.77034213, 24 hour low: 11.90000, 24 hour high: 12.33900, 24 hour vwap: 12.10926
copumpkin: smickles: \o/ the treasury stock method for calculating diluted EPS when you have warrants and/or employee stock options
Namjies: Question: which of the 3 formats do you prefer?
pigeons: shar corners are better for picking your teeth wit
Namjies: I mean which of the 3 presentation design, you'll notice 3 times the same section
Namjies: There's 3 times the business cards section.
pigeons: definately the top is best
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052848 = 1.2393 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24663 @ 0.00052824 = 13.028 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.0005289 = 1.2403 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7405 @ 0.00052913 = 3.9182 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052834 = 1.239 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1069 @ 0.00052824 = 0.5647 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9890 @ 0.00052679 = 5.21 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6396 @ 0.00052652 = 3.3676 BTC [-]
dub: fuck mediawiki is a joke
dub: may as well not even have a search function
Namjies: Will leave it at that I guess.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052906 = 1.2406 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26555 @ 0.00052913 = 14.051 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052684 = 1.2354 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15055 @ 0.00052652 = 7.9268 BTC [-]
dub: fuck I hate my tem sometimes
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5856 @ 0.00052907 = 3.0982 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11044 @ 0.00052087 = 5.7525 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1000 @ 0.00053184 = 0.5318 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5100 @ 0.00053185 = 2.7124 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9910 @ 0.00053185 = 5.2706 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7100 @ 0.00053193 = 3.7767 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1000 @ 0.00053208 = 0.5321 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 770 @ 0.00053209 = 0.4097 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15730 @ 0.00053209 = 8.3698 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4820 @ 0.00053211 = 2.5648 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19735 @ 0.00052186 = 10.2989 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5380 @ 0.00053211 = 2.8628 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25156 @ 0.00053215 = 13.3868 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18750 @ 0.0005252 = 9.8475 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 41 @ 0.0033273 = 0.1364 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 3953 @ 0.00332243 = 13.1336 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1206 @ 0.00332186 = 4.0062 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7694 @ 0.00053215 = 4.0944 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 906 @ 0.0005323 = 0.4823 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12450 @ 0.0005323 = 6.6271 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4550 @ 0.00053173 = 2.4194 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10800 @ 0.0005323 = 5.7488 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 700 @ 0.00333311 = 2.3332 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4744 @ 0.0005323 = 2.5252 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2343 @ 0.00053247 = 1.2476 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11217 @ 0.00053173 = 5.9644 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4565 @ 0.00052186 = 2.3823 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9079 @ 0.00052087 = 4.729 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2250 @ 0.00052087 = 1.172 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6250 @ 0.00052073 = 3.2546 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18800 @ 0.00052073 = 9.7897 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4774 @ 0.00052058 = 2.4852 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11026 @ 0.00052058 = 5.7399 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10104 @ 0.00051792 = 5.2331 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8446 @ 0.00051792 = 4.3744 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10650 @ 0.00051651 = 5.5008 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2654 @ 0.00051637 = 1.3704 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2010 @ 0.00051637 = 1.0379 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5390 @ 0.0005163 = 2.7829 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22218 @ 0.00051656 = 11.4769 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4432 @ 0.00051656 = 2.2894 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15799 @ 0.00052332 = 8.2679 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8500 @ 0.00052332 = 4.4482 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 268 @ 0.00052261 = 0.1401 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11904 @ 0.00051651 = 6.1485 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2501 @ 0.00052332 = 1.3088 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6950 @ 0.00052632 = 3.6579 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12000 @ 0.00053116 = 6.3739 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12600 @ 0.00053116 = 6.6926 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052836 = 1.239 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5726 @ 0.00052854 = 3.0264 BTC [+]
gribble: Estimated time of bitcoin block reward halving: Wed Nov 28 15:13:20 2012 UTC | Time remaining: 1 hour, 30 minutes, and 0 seconds.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052827 = 1.2388 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1805 @ 0.00052854 = 0.954 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11298 @ 0.00052854 = 5.9714 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 630 @ 0.00052854 = 0.333 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10206 @ 0.00053119 = 5.4213 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8644 @ 0.00053287 = 4.6061 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16633 @ 0.00053287 = 8.8632 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17412 @ 0.00053298 = 9.2802 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12855 @ 0.00053309 = 6.8529 BTC [+]
gribble: Estimated time of bitcoin block reward halving: Wed Nov 28 15:16:58 2012 UTC | Time remaining: 1 hour, 20 minutes, and 0 seconds.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5464 @ 0.00052988 = 2.8953 BTC [-]
Chaang-Noi: i might, electric here is a bit high, and its hot
Chaang-Noi: thailand is not the best place in the world to mine :/
EskimoBob: or PPC? I mined PPC for fun but mining is so pointless unless you have some serious hashing power
EskimoBob: I can only do about 355.0Mh/s and this is a joke :)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1406 @ 0.00052988 = 0.745 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15144 @ 0.00052742 = 7.9872 BTC [-]
Chaang-Noi: but its not worth it cuz my cooling and electric costs :/
gribble: Estimated time of bitcoin block reward halving: Wed Nov 28 15:10:08 2012 UTC | Time remaining: 1 hour and 0 seconds.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16695 @ 0.00053309 = 8.8999 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3605 @ 0.0005331 = 1.9218 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052769 = 1.2374 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6755 @ 0.00052742 = 3.5627 BTC [-]
EskimoBob: coinotrons Profitability calculator will show something funny in about 55 min
EskimoBob: and if I am correct, this will switch lotsof miners over to LTC or PPC
EskimoBob: at least they used to have automatic switching
EskimoBob: BTC 33.0 GH, PPC 46.7 GH, LTC 85.4 MH
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052764 = 1.2373 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2274 @ 0.00052742 = 1.1994 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 881 @ 0.00052399 = 0.4616 BTC [-]
gribble: Estimated time of bitcoin block reward halving: Wed Nov 28 15:24:49 2012 UTC | Time remaining: 1 hour and 0 seconds.
Ukto: i found a nice one.. but its like a standard stock graph, uses a plot point per day
Ukto: i think ppl want actual trades
Ukto: the one that will zoom and do a full per-trades, is nice, but doesnt load on mobile
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00053307 = 1.25 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23005 @ 0.0005331 = 12.264 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6458 @ 0.00053332 = 3.4442 BTC [+]
EskimoBob: because this is going to be a sad day for most of the miners, I recommend you to send me your first mined coin. Then at least someone is happy -> 15WLztstXkfybemi9Ecd9FQ4vt6wiJjN6b .. and you will feel better too ... LOL
gribble: Estimated time of bitcoin block reward halving: Wed Nov 28 15:12:38 2012 UTC | Time remaining: 40 minutes and 0 seconds.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052433 = 1.2296 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17505 @ 0.00052399 = 9.1724 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00053305 = 1.25 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6342 @ 0.00053332 = 3.3823 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7928 @ 0.00053336 = 4.2285 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 325 @ 0.00053362 = 0.1734 BTC [+]
EskimoBob: I bet, out there is a pervert or two who are going to whip themselves with LAN cables on that sad sad day
gribble: Estimated time of bitcoin block reward halving: Wed Nov 28 15:11:59 2012 UTC | Time remaining: 30 minutes and 0 seconds.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052793 = 1.238 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22700 @ 0.00052784 = 11.982 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5655 @ 0.00052399 = 2.9632 BTC [-]
jurov: oh, still 3 blocks to go?
EskimoBob: and the the blchain gets forked and puff... it's all gone
gribble: Current Blocks: 209999 | Current Difficulty: 3438908.9601591 | Next Difficulty At Block: 211679 | Next Difficulty In: 1680 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 3 days, 19 hours, 56 minutes, and 0 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 3713945.01025181 | Estimated Percent Change: 7.9977706092
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28700 @ 0.00053321 = 15.3031 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 298 @ 0.00053013 = 0.158 BTC [-]
EskimoBob: I bet no one predicted that in March
jurov: i'm in a different kind of "mining", tho.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34313 @ 0.00053013 = 18.1904 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2087 @ 0.00052735 = 1.1006 BTC [-]
jurov: at least for you the waiting is over
jurov: for me the day D is the Last Friday 30th
gribble: Time since last block: 16 minutes and 46 seconds
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2200 @ 0.00052735 = 1.1602 BTC [-]
jurov: oh no all by bitcoind's just segfaulted !!!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00053356 = 1.2512 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8555 @ 0.00053362 = 4.5651 BTC [+]
jurov: it's here, blockchain.info has fireworks
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052767 = 1.2374 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13574 @ 0.00052735 = 7.1582 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00053328 = 1.2505 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24802 @ 0.00053362 = 13.2348 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052754 = 1.2371 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5305 @ 0.00052735 = 2.7976 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7234 @ 0.00052735 = 3.8148 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15166 @ 0.00052733 = 7.9975 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00053331 = 1.2506 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23918 @ 0.00053362 = 12.7631 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5529 @ 0.00053364 = 2.9505 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.0005333 = 1.2506 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4105 @ 0.00053364 = 2.1906 BTC [+]
Ukto: i havent even been able to get sanz to reply to me
Chaang-Noi: pigeons are you interested in buying TRC, or did you just want a few coins for the novelty?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16266 @ 0.00053364 = 8.6802 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12534 @ 0.00053372 = 6.6896 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7612 @ 0.00053372 = 4.0627 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7124 @ 0.00053372 = 3.8022 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15620 @ 0.0005339 = 8.3395 BTC [+]
gribble: Estimated time of bitcoin block reward halving: Fri Nov 25 23:33:36 2016 UTC | Time remaining: 3 years, 51 weeks, 6 days, 7 hours, 30 minutes, and 0 seconds.
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 12.31595, Best ask: 12.31596, Bid-ask spread: 0.00001, Last trade: 12.31596, 24 hour volume: 28954.59343935, 24 hour low: 11.91301, 24 hour high: 12.40712, 24 hour vwap: 12.21012
jurov: what volatility? like, halfreward should cause eveyone to run around like chicken?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11080 @ 0.0005339 = 5.9156 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6172 @ 0.00053397 = 3.2957 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1648 @ 0.00053419 = 0.8803 BTC [+]
gribble: Current Blocks: 210003 | Current Difficulty: 3438908.9601591 | Next Difficulty At Block: 211679 | Next Difficulty In: 1676 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 3 days, 21 hours, 10 minutes, and 36 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 3690038.19454093 | Estimated Percent Change: 7.30258454909
thestringpuller: so you may see a spike in trade volume soon which I suppose would cause volatility
pigeons: how do we know you're not just pulling our strings?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052739 = 1.2367 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7134 @ 0.00052733 = 3.762 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7100 @ 0.00052453 = 3.7242 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1171 @ 0.00052427 = 0.6139 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17660 @ 0.00053419 = 9.4338 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00053405 = 1.2523 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5105 @ 0.00053419 = 2.727 BTC [+]
pigeons: just interesting. i want to start a risky biz, "totally anonymous" cards, i'm disabled and unemployed, can't get my paperwork to verify
pigeons: i'm sure it's fine, just interesting to me
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 12.22302, Best ask: 12.31997, Bid-ask spread: 0.09695, Last trade: 12.31997, 24 hour volume: 28072.54106340, 24 hour low: 11.91301, 24 hour high: 12.40712, 24 hour vwap: 12.21514
gribble: Estimated time of bitcoin block reward halving: Fri Nov 25 23:50:24 2016 UTC | Time remaining: 3 years, 51 weeks, 6 days, 7 hours, 20 minutes, and 0 seconds.
mod6: you tried to send on block 210000?
mod6: (08:33) < tyfaust> Block 210000: Generation: 25 + 13.56295554 total fees.... why so much in fees? It is the most I have seen in fees for any block.
mod6: ^^^ sounds like many people tried to send there to sign the block or something
mod6: jcpham: *shrug* they're talking about that in #bitcoin-otc
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 918 @ 0.00336718 = 3.0911 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1day: 0.00051221 / 0.0005251 / 0.00053419 (3704533 shares, 1,945.27 BTC), 30day: 0.00045734 / 0.00050251 / 0.0005386 (84430956 shares, 42,427.83 BTC)
smickles: copumpkin: that directly relates to the sort of business in question
smickles: CFO is for is the main 'thing' that the business makes money at
smickles: CFO for TacoBell is selling tacos, not making interest on their cash balance
smickles: CFF is most anything related to how the company raised money
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00053034 = 1.2436 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12555 @ 0.00053 = 6.6542 BTC [-]
smickles: also, there's trickyness in that you receive dividens from others in cfo, but you pay your difidends in cff
smickles: oh, and interest is cfo on both sides, i think, because you didn't *raise* money by taking a loan
gribble: Error: "bc" is not a valid command.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00053409 = 1.2524 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1237 @ 0.00053419 = 0.6608 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4018 @ 0.00053421 = 2.1465 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4232 @ 0.00053421 = 2.2608 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14050 @ 0.00053435 = 7.5076 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2326 @ 0.00053452 = 1.2433 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00053016 = 1.2432 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10545 @ 0.00053 = 5.5889 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7990 @ 0.00052807 = 4.2193 BTC [-]
gribble: Estimated time of bitcoin block reward halving: Fri Nov 25 23:09:09 2016 UTC | Time remaining: 3 years, 51 weeks, 6 days, 5 hours, 50 minutes, and 0 seconds.
Diablo-D3: I switched back to mining on p2pool
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1900 @ 0.00334633 = 6.358 BTC [-]
smickles: I dunno, closest i've come is minecraft mods.
jcpham: blocks on blocks on blocks
jcpham: stacks on stacks on stacks
jcpham: bandz a' make her dance
jcpham: bandz a' make her dance
smickles: bacon cooked in butter, eggs drenchen in shrirasha
smickles: Diablo-D3: why'd you switch away from p2pool in the first place?
Diablo-D3: wanted to see if I could get a block in before the reward half
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 12.29999, Best ask: 12.30000, Bid-ask spread: 0.00001, Last trade: 12.30000, 24 hour volume: 28132.92143566, 24 hour low: 11.91301, 24 hour high: 12.40712, 24 hour vwap: 12.22246
smickles: so... we can at least saw it wasn't a suddent reaction to the reward drop
smickles: maybe the effect will be that the asks just don't fill in like they used to over time
thestringpuller: if the world ends on the 21st I'ma be mad for the sole reason I didn't get to play GTA V
smickles: oh, it means we have a rational market which already fully priced in the reward change @.@
smickles: you think there is any significant chance?
thestringpuller: some miners I talked to stated they were exiting the mining game after the reward drop cause the ROI is too high for the equipment
thestringpuller: perhaps it will be harder to get transactions quickly into blocks since miners will demand more network fees
smickles: have any pool announced that tho?
thestringpuller: so it will likely be harder to enter the mining realm now than it was before
smickles: ).( woops, i read that as exicted
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24500 @ 0.00052826 = 12.9424 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1000 @ 0.00053451 = 0.5345 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3200 @ 0.00053452 = 1.7105 BTC [+]
smickles: I wonder if enough are exiting that the diff won't drop fast enough
thestringpuller: won't asic equipment entering the mainstream correct that drop though?
smickles: any time the diff can't drop fast enough, we'll see 1hr+ blocks all the f'ing time
smickles: and i don't care if the asics come the next day
thestringpuller: maybe there is something to the prediction of transaction fees increasing every reward drop
smickles: one day of 1 hour blocks will suck
thestringpuller: that would be grounds for miners to exclude a lot of transaction
smickles: if there are an average of 200 txns in a block, they't have to pay .125 btc to make up for the reward drop
thestringpuller: but I would bet that out of these 200 hypothetical transactions, 99% of them would have paid some kind of miner's fee
smickles: ;;calc 200 * (.3 / [ticker --last])
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 1001 @ 0.00000001 BTC [-]
smickles: 17:54 <@assbot> [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 1001 @ 0.00000001 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052847 = 1.2393 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26278 @ 0.00052813 = 13.8782 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4260 @ 0.00052807 = 2.2496 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15900 @ 0.00052679 = 8.376 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 317 @ 0.00052469 = 0.1663 BTC [-]
EskimoBob: BTC 33.0 GH, PPC 46.7 GH, LTC 85.4 MH
EskimoBob: BTC 31.4 GH PPC 128.1 GH LTC 138.7 MH
EskimoBob: Diablo-D3: ppc? this is the new BTC ;)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6450 @ 0.00052565 = 3.3904 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11050 @ 0.00052699 = 5.8232 BTC [+]
smickles: so EskimoBob you're mining ltc then?
smickles: thestringpuller: i'm sure he's still going insane
thestringpuller: he was going on and on about people being paid to troll him or something
smickles: gigavps: heh, notice your shares are still selling?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14750 @ 0.00052699 = 7.7731 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1150 @ 0.00053452 = 0.6147 BTC [+]
smickles: don't question the rational market's pricing
smickles: gigavps: it's mostly because mircea_popescu doesn't think he should have to file a claim
smickles: i don't think he even filed a claim on glbse
gigavps: i'm trying to make it easier, but these things take time
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11900 @ 0.00052469 = 6.2438 BTC [-]
smickles: yeah, he cited a bunch of legal concersn and figured the cost of finding out was too high
smickles: and I don't think it has much to do whith what you're doing gigavps
gigavps: well, i'm still running over 200Gh and i have all of the coins
smickles: He thinks that the underlying assed went away, and what your are doing is making a relacemnet
gigavps: well, teramining was supposed to replace gigamining at some point
gigavps: if the equipment ever arrives
Doffx: You didn’t get it in Oct?
smickles: that actually relates to his position, f.giga.etf would never move to teramining
smickles: so why would it move to the new gigamining
Doffx: I'm guessing they deliver in Jan sometime.
gigavps: Doffx if i had all of my asic equipment, i'd be doing things like
smickles: it was strictly an 'old gigamining' asset
Doffx: I think I'm done with Bitcoin Mining, not sure though.
smickles: gigavps: arn't you first in line for the BFL asics?
Doffx: Depends on if I get my SDICE back and what they are worth
smickles: Doffx: people are buying s.dice for nearly .0034 now
Doffx: Thats good, I bought mine at .0030
Doffx: Around that anyhow
gigavps: smickles why would you even ask a question like that
smickles: gigavps: heh, i dunno, seemed like it might satisfy curiosity, and i hadn't paid much attention to things
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052785 = 1.2378 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13063 @ 0.0005279 = 6.896 BTC [+]
Doffx: I wouldnt mind 2 Asic devices, I just cant afford them.
smickles: Doffx: you should wait until the dividend for s.dice, it's looking like a good one this month
Doffx: I'm close to having enough for one however.
Doffx: I cant sell it anyhow
Doffx: Or do anything with it, its that Glsbe passthrough
Doffx: I think DeaDTerra will make good on it once he gets the Info though.
Doffx: I'd use Mpex if the account was free-1BTC
Doffx: 30 is insanity so was 20 imo.
Doffx: Im not going to use some 3rd party site ever again.
smickles: apparently my service is cheaper than coinbr anyway
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052759 = 1.2372 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 737 @ 0.0005279 = 0.3891 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1718 @ 0.00053452 = 0.9183 BTC [+]
Doffx: I can trnsfer my SDICE to you and have you manage them for me once I get them back.
Doffx: for your fee price of course
smickles: I'll convert your sdgpt (or whatever it was) to s.dice right now for .5 btc on the bitcoin and a signed statement from deadterra
Doffx: Im happy I got ROI on my FPGA devices at least.
Doffx: I'm even currently, anything from this point is actual profit.
smickles: well, you still have to beat electricity tho, right/
Doffx: They dont use anything really
Doffx: 3 Units is less than 1 lightbulb
smickles: at today's price/diff that's true
Doffx: I'm on a fixed plan, I pay 54 a month regardless of usage.
smickles: have you calculated what diff and price where it becomes a concern?
Doffx: Im in NW Washington too our power is cheap
Doffx: If I guess it would be around double what it is now for them to be negative to run.
smickles: that sounds like nice profit for now, gratz :)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7800 @ 0.00052946 = 4.1298 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15150 @ 0.00053452 = 8.098 BTC [+]
Doffx: Now I have to make the decision to save it for asic or spend it on things I need to fix the house, or silver.
smickles: as if i know anything about the situation, but if you own the house, spend at least some of it on the house
smickles: especially coming from the midwest, this is as much desert as i want
smickles: tucson az, it's like 75Â out right now
smickles: sunny, gentle breeze, yeah, no humidity
smickles: heh, i envision he has a little biltmore mansion
thestringpuller: people don't believe me when I say you should begin prepping for retirement at an early age so you have more leverage while you still have energy to care
smickles: i wish i could put more to retirement
smickles: I hope my wife decides to go for the full military pension
thestringpuller: with your btc abilities you will likely have that leverage before you are 30 methinks
smickles: thestringpuller: how do you know anyone isn't a spy?
smickles: try this logically, ask falsifiable questions that are about positive claims
gribble: Estimated time of bitcoin block reward halving: Fri Nov 25 22:54:50 2016 UTC | Time remaining: 3 years, 51 weeks, 6 days, 4 hours, 10 minutes, and 0 seconds.
thestringpuller: I still feel like S.DICE is overvalued for the value it provides to the bitcoin world.
smickles: heh, i just mean, ask are you a spy? if I give a suspect answer, ask for justification, and question the justification
pigeons: it isn't valued in the value it provides to the bitcoin world
pigeons: its valued in the dividends
pigeons: if you ask a spy straight up they have to tell you, its against the geneva convention and the outer space treaty ;)
smickles: yeah, if the pattern holds, an instant >1.5% gain is something everyone should go for
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052867 = 1.2397 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7695 @ 0.00052848 = 4.0667 BTC [-]
smickles: thestringpuller: also, ideally (for the gov't) any spy would be able to convince you they are not a spy
pigeons: mpex is valued in the entertainment value of mpoe-pr arguing valuation on the forum with josh
smickles: sexy naruto cosplay is the nectar of the gods
gribble: The expected generation output, at 2200000 Khps, given current difficulty of 3438908.9601591 , is 0.643466419996 BTC per day and 0.0268111008332 BTC per hour.
dub: wat.. still profitable
dub: that calc is broken though looks like its still at 50/block
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052854 = 1.2394 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17105 @ 0.00052848 = 9.0397 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1287 @ 0.00052469 = 0.6753 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23363 @ 0.00052401 = 12.2424 BTC [-]
smickles: how many IRL companies pay 19% dividend yeild? ... 9
thestringpuller: smickles: but a lot more money is invested in IRL companies
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1801 @ 0.00052401 = 0.9437 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4519 @ 0.00052399 = 2.3679 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12949 @ 0.00052387 = 6.7836 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3485 @ 0.00052375 = 1.8253 BTC [-]
thestringpuller: so you're more likely to make money on the price movement of asset, than the dividends it pays
smickles: thestringpuller: there's a lot of differences, it's just neat to compare sometimes
thestringpuller: i feel like companies who pay dividends are wasting their money, I used to not think that though
thestringpuller: why give money to your shareholders when you can invest it in something to grow the company, shareholders aren't "guarenteed"
dub: hmm not so profitable
dub: probably worth leaving GPUs running in anticipation of higher btc prices though
smickles: thestringpuller: a little, but I don't play games too often anymore.
dub: by killing the hooker and getting your money back
dub: just do like people born into money do and use the cheat codes
thestringpuller: there is a wink to the government conspiring with criminal organizations though
thestringpuller: the anti-terrorist organization tries to cover up one of the mob families' crimes
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00053438 = 1.2531 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4806 @ 0.00053452 = 2.5689 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17450 @ 0.00053456 = 9.3281 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5424 @ 0.00053458 = 2.8996 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.0005343 = 1.2529 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4021 @ 0.00053458 = 2.1495 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1000 @ 0.00053464 = 0.5346 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23134 @ 0.00053465 = 12.3686 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3700 @ 0.00053449 = 1.9776 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19050 @ 0.00053449 = 10.182 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7650 @ 0.00053449 = 4.0888 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2150 @ 0.00053465 = 1.1495 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00053217 = 1.2479 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2355 @ 0.00053187 = 1.2526 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00053219 = 1.248 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11945 @ 0.00053187 = 6.3532 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3510 @ 0.00053165 = 1.8661 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00053456 = 1.2535 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2764 @ 0.00053465 = 1.4778 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18341 @ 0.00053469 = 9.8067 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 527 @ 0.00053443 = 0.2816 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1818 @ 0.00053443 = 0.9716 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4182 @ 0.00053469 = 2.2361 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00053181 = 1.2471 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4790 @ 0.00053165 = 2.5466 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14400 @ 0.00052815 = 7.6054 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16718 @ 0.000526 = 8.7937 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7647 @ 0.0005256 = 4.0193 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00053457 = 1.2536 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7455 @ 0.00053469 = 3.9861 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00053147 = 1.2463 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14905 @ 0.00053122 = 7.9178 BTC [-]
Namjies: or at least better than before
kakobrekla: i dont know any successful web entity that would go along valid html and css
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00053458 = 1.2536 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9455 @ 0.00053469 = 5.0555 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: the weight of w3c validity link in your footer
Namjies: Ah, yes. It's included by default in the footer for all my websites.
kakobrekla: and google, amazon, ebay, bing ... while you are at it :)
pigeons: i think they got the cherry truck award for most html validation errors last year. i forget who was so enthused about that
pigeons: "how can you trust a site with w3c errors!"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5017 @ 0.00053469 = 2.6825 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20683 @ 0.00053472 = 11.0596 BTC [+]
Namjies: About the background noise, should it be lighter or darker you think?
Namjies: I'm working on the website...
Namjies: I'll implement a footer with payment methods eventually.
Namjies: Maybe a nice little set of grayscale icons.
kakobrekla: and back to bitcoin related stuff, i have put 100btc in hands of my forex trading bot, ill make an update when account is blown :)
Namjies: and if it doesn't blow but make money, donate the bot to me, right?
kakobrekla: accually theres about 500btc that wants to go into it atm
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00053132 = 1.2459 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45 @ 0.00053122 = 0.0239 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24000 @ 0.00053096 = 12.743 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5060 @ 0.0005256 = 2.6595 BTC [-]
Namjies: Hmm, interesting. Well certainly update us then.
kakobrekla: ill make a chan to stream bot trades into it soonish
pigeons: wait you're not a scam anymore?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052586 = 1.2331 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5643 @ 0.0005256 = 2.966 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9012 @ 0.00052556 = 4.7363 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18688 @ 0.00052556 = 9.8217 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2112 @ 0.00052375 = 1.1062 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00053338 = 1.2508 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9505 @ 0.00053372 = 5.073 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1285 @ 0.00052394 = 0.6733 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8414 @ 0.00052375 = 4.4068 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052383 = 1.2284 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17389 @ 0.00052375 = 9.1075 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7350 @ 0.0005233 = 3.8463 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1516 @ 0.00052225 = 0.7917 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: it seems like only yesterday he was a wee tyke in the throes of gambling addiction.
pigeons: I should start a btcjam analysis newsletter/jokebook
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.0005294 = 1.2414 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 405 @ 0.00052945 = 0.2144 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: I am willing to buy a pick up truck with accommodation to carry public passenger. Daily revenue is a minimum of $ 80 US dollar roughly.
pigeons: he must have a decimal error
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.0005292 = 1.241 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38355 @ 0.00052945 = 20.3071 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052426 = 1.2294 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12800 @ 0.00052391 = 6.706 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052913 = 1.2408 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 590 @ 0.00052945 = 0.3124 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 788 @ 0.00053004 = 0.4177 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5350 @ 0.00053193 = 2.8458 BTC [+]
pigeons: all the trolling of bitcoin, half the humor, .005 the value!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6909 @ 0.00053193 = 3.6751 BTC [+]
gribble: Error: Something in there wasn't a valid number.
thestringpuller: all my textures have to be a power of 2 since my gfx card isn't DirectX 10 compatible
gribble: Error: "1,0" is not a valid command.
iz: [] is for something else
iz: ;;calc 100*[calc 2**16]
thestringpuller: it's cool, it would be neat to have wolfram alpha like calculations for linear algebra operations
iz: not in a bot's simple calc function though
iz: well, there are wolfram alpha bots though
iz: that just make a request to WA
iz: and spit out the result after some light parsing and formatting
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15350 @ 0.00053193 = 8.1651 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: so basically... bfl had a bad run, basic is delayed for unspecified reasons till mid january
dub: asicminer are quiet afaik
Doffx: Yeah, Smickles I own a house, I'm going to sell it and go rent however. Sorry I had stepped out a couple hours so this reply is super delayed.
dub: break even on bfl fpga single is ~12M diff with .22 power
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1568 @ 0.00053193 = 0.8341 BTC [+]
pigeons: i want to make a big bet. i'm just using your money as a way to contribute interest to the community. if i lose of course i'll still pay you back in full and on time
dub: just reading scrollback
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052951 = 1.2417 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21850 @ 0.00052928 = 11.5648 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11654 @ 0.00052707 = 6.1425 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052728 = 1.2365 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9555 @ 0.00052707 = 5.0362 BTC [-]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 12.33000, Best ask: 12.34793, Bid-ask spread: 0.01793, Last trade: 12.34793, 24 hour volume: 30724.00121881, 24 hour low: 12.08000, 24 hour high: 12.40712, 24 hour vwap: 12.27315
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00053127 = 1.2458 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21732 @ 0.00053149 = 11.5503 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1000 @ 0.0005333 = 0.5333 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12600 @ 0.00053331 = 6.7197 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1000 @ 0.00053471 = 0.5347 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11515 @ 0.00053472 = 6.1573 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1504 @ 0.00053511 = 0.8048 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052709 = 1.236 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24155 @ 0.00052707 = 12.7314 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.0005308 = 1.2447 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29705 @ 0.00053087 = 15.7695 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00053067 = 1.2444 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4751 @ 0.00053087 = 2.5222 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7404 @ 0.0005331 = 3.9471 BTC [+]
Namjies: Well, seems like F.GIGA.ETF is going away in a bit less than 3 days.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052718 = 1.2362 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13518 @ 0.00052707 = 7.1249 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: tbh im quite impressed with the bitcoin exchange market
Doffx: Thats why I may use it for those repairs, I have a lot I want to fix before I sell it.
Doffx: Doing the math over the next 7 years we would save a considerable amount not owning a home, plus I want to be debt free asap.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.0005338 = 1.2518 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9500 @ 0.00053393 = 5.0723 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8696 @ 0.00053511 = 4.6533 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7471 @ 0.00053519 = 3.9984 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1000 @ 0.00053519 = 0.5352 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1107 @ 0.0005352 = 0.5925 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11350 @ 0.0005352 = 6.0745 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8750 @ 0.00053143 = 4.65 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052733 = 1.2366 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 568 @ 0.00052707 = 0.2994 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7987 @ 0.00052462 = 4.1901 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00053505 = 1.2547 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13643 @ 0.0005352 = 7.3017 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17212 @ 0.00053537 = 9.2148 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052466 = 1.2303 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4355 @ 0.00052462 = 2.2847 BTC [-]
jurov: well, i actually speculated on that halving will be non-event for xchange rate
jurov: did split on C120T and sold both calls and puts
jurov: we'll see the result tomorrow, but looks very good
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052704 = 1.2359 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27405 @ 0.00052702 = 14.443 BTC [-]
jurov: oh, and just met amir taaki in person.. interesting guy, but i don't understand him much :/
Doffx: It seems to me it would be simple supply and demand and I think there is still a lot of supply, I would think it would take a few months to see the block half reduce the supply so the price goes up
Doffx: but I'm just guessing
jurov: Doffx, yes i see lots of inertia on the btc market lately too
Doffx: Oh that's who genjix is? Hes with Intersango now?
Doffx: Amir Taaki developed the original inspiration for Intersango, a site named Britcoin to bring bitcoin to the UK. We are pleased to have him with us working on Intersango. Additionally, he is heavily involved with developing bitcoin and is the maintainer of libbitcoin.
jurov: he's doing bitcoin programming workshop in bratislava this weekend
Doffx: Hes listed on the About page at Intersango.
jurov: and i'm torn much whether to go...i explained that i'm hard of hearing but they did not think a way to help me
jurov: m probably better with studying writings
jurov: today i was reminded that actually i'd have problems to understand many of you if we met in person...
Doffx: No hearing devices that can help you?
dub: seems like an asshole tbh
jurov: i have 500 euro hearing aids on each ear, they help immensely
dub: lots of noise, not much signal
jurov: but my hearing is like mistuned radio... can't improve much
Doffx: Not sure what to say about that, make him type everything he says in IRC
Doffx: I know ive seen him in here before.
Doffx: dub you think that about everyone though.
Doffx: I dont have an opinion on him, never talked to him.
jurov: i doubt you actually went into such inconvenience as to typing everything you say on the workshop, either
Doffx: Hehe I was kidding :)
dub: theres footage from other 'workshops' on you tube
jurov: still, they said something about translation to slovak, but i don't hold my breath
Doffx: It just came out wrong
jurov: i can't youtube. the generated scaptioning israrely useful.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7050 @ 0.00053035 = 3.739 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00053216 = 1.2479 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20421 @ 0.00053249 = 10.874 BTC [+]
dub: its not worth looking at anyway
dub: 'bitcoins R REALLY COOL SO PROGRAM ANS STUFF K LOLZ"
jurov: dub, so you actually have watched them and found lacking?
dub: I think he is approx as useful to bitcoin as MNW
dub: he makes us all look stupid for tolerating him
jurov: haha. at least i'll feel better when i don't go
Doffx: Are there no devices for the your hearing that allow you to hear better from your pC?
Doffx: I'm just asking because I dont know and it would seem like a useful product.
Doffx: Well you said the caption feature as useless so I asumed you turned it on because you had a hard time hearing the videos
jurov: but it's hard guessing what was actually said sometimes
jurov: and as for using PC i tried to set up jackd + equalizer/compressor for each ear extra, but it still wasn't as good as hearing aid... and the sound was stuttering
Doffx: Hmm, yeah doesent sound fun trying to guess something your already trying to learn.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00053239 = 1.2485 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1179 @ 0.00053249 = 0.6278 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2278 @ 0.00053261 = 1.2133 BTC [+]
jurov: when i researched why, I was horrified to learn whole jack setup used 10GB of my 12G RAM
jurov: decided that fixing jackd is not worth the effort
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052732 = 1.2366 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1595 @ 0.00052702 = 0.8406 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7558 @ 0.00052462 = 3.9651 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3779 @ 0.00052426 = 1.9812 BTC [-]
Doffx: Looks like there are headsets for hearing impaired as well, how do those work?
Doffx: I'm sure you have tried all of these things, I just found it interesting since I take it for granted.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052434 = 1.2296 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6006 @ 0.00052426 = 3.1487 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14878 @ 0.00052391 = 7.7947 BTC [-]
jurov: headsets (these are advertised for watching TV) usually have flat frequency reponse, so are useful mostly to people with equal hearing loss for all frequencies
jurov: but i have it all over the place between 40 and 90 dB
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7872 @ 0.00052391 = 4.1242 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9584 @ 0.00052225 = 5.0052 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4688 @ 0.00052218 = 2.448 BTC [-]
kakobreklaaa: um, i would need to send an sms to umerrica mobile phone
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7494 @ 0.00052218 = 3.9132 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3942 @ 0.0005217 = 2.0565 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14915 @ 0.00052152 = 7.7785 BTC [-]
kakobreklaaa: this doesnt allow me to send from here if i understand it correctly
Doffx: Interesting, see I learned something.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11200 @ 0.00052223 = 5.849 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3200 @ 0.00052235 = 1.6715 BTC [+]
dub: dont live in terrst countries den
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9100 @ 0.00053169 = 4.8384 BTC [+]
jurov: let's put dub on homeland security radar: terrorist bomb assassination obama
dub: my irc client has that built in
jurov: what? you have homeland security plugin?
dub: domestic disruption Libya White House wire transfer radar FBI
dub: HALO Glock 26 smuggle Diebold Lebed Fallujah
dub: Bush Waco wire transfer FSF Defense Information Warfare Terrorism
dub: DES Grass Roots 9-11 Al Amn al-Askari Saddam Hussein Ortega
dub: Liberals PLO Saddam Hussein SEAL Team 6 Ft. Bragg Mossad
dub: Serbian Al Qaeda Verisign $400 million in gold bullion colonel Ft. Meade
dub: thats to call teh gay spooks
dub: note: Gladamas_' timing
dub: I a S t p T i r S K N K j
dub: n t e y u e s o t n o o i
dub: f i c t r m p e i r r h
dub: o o u C e r o a f t e a
dub: r n r o r o E l k e h a d
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052299 = 1.2264 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 355 @ 0.00052329 = 0.1858 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: <dub> I think he is approx as useful to bitcoin as MNW << i second
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052177 = 1.2236 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26955 @ 0.00052152 = 14.0576 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12900 @ 0.00052152 = 6.7276 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1550 @ 0.00052122 = 0.8079 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4514 @ 0.00052122 = 2.3528 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14736 @ 0.00052119 = 7.6803 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16864 @ 0.00052119 = 8.7893 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16836 @ 0.00052105 = 8.7724 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052147 = 1.2228 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5673 @ 0.0005215 = 2.9585 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7000 @ 0.00052116 = 3.6481 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20500 @ 0.00052116 = 10.6838 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3500 @ 0.0005215 = 1.8253 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052142 = 1.2227 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1622 @ 0.0005215 = 0.8459 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25700 @ 0.00052257 = 13.43 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 633 @ 0.00052329 = 0.3312 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 168 @ 0.00052329 = 0.0879 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3982 @ 0.00052498 = 2.0905 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052127 = 1.2224 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9055 @ 0.00052105 = 4.7181 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052139 = 1.2227 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2559 @ 0.00052105 = 1.3334 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8062 @ 0.00052083 = 4.1989 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8500 @ 0.00052009 = 4.4208 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12044 @ 0.00051993 = 6.262 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 900 @ 0.00051982 = 0.4678 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17900 @ 0.00051937 = 9.2967 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6490 @ 0.00051935 = 3.3706 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052465 = 1.2303 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8755 @ 0.00052498 = 4.5962 BTC [+]
smickles: kakobreklaaa: you're still on sha1?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052487 = 1.2308 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13612 @ 0.00052498 = 7.146 BTC [+]
pigeons: Namjies: you should sue mircea_popescu for not redeeming or whatever your gigamining shares ;)
pigeons: except he's paying the judges i hear
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00051949 = 1.2182 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4360 @ 0.00051935 = 2.2644 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4500 @ 0.0005187 = 2.3342 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 95 @ 0.00051842 = 0.0492 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: pigeons i suspekt he's gonna sue me anyway for the asicminer deal. that's actually an interesting thing anyway
smickles: oh my, that's a interesting one
knotwork: GFC is trying to figure out details for a structured credit default swap in which they will loan 10,000 DVC each to 10,000 people, in four or five tranches. The tranches are to be of four or five different levels of collateral, with 100% being the level that maybe need not be a tracnch, naybe its best to keep the 100%-collateral people to themselves instead of putting them in the structured thing
smickles: mircea_popescu: can i tell him :)
pigeons: smickles: where are you gonna find 10,000 people?
smickles: i could present a work of fiction
smickles: pigeons: mircea_popescu shorted asicminer, borrowing from Namjies then glbse tanked.
pigeons: i heard asicminer had accounting of large shareholders outside of the glbse system?
pigeons: has asicminer been given a list from the good doctor nefario yet?
knotwork: pigeons GRouPcorp is group-oriented, lots of groups not all being small groups adds up to a lot of people, this intial 10,000 is just the first batch, to test out the sructured vehicle idea
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052491 = 1.2309 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7884 @ 0.00052498 = 4.1389 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23371 @ 0.00053176 = 12.4278 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BVPS] 5000 @ 0.00289998 = 14.4999 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BVPS] 1000 @ 0.00289999 = 2.9 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BVPS] 42654 @ 0.0029 = 123.6966 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BVPS] 2168 @ 0.00299414 = 6.4913 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BVPS] 1500 @ 0.00300004 = 4.5001 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BVPS] 2500 @ 0.00310004 = 7.7501 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BVPS] 4626 @ 0.0032 = 14.8032 BTC [+]
toffoo: pigeons: I think they have received the partial list
pigeons: ok i dont want to hear it then ;)
smickles: under the news of a possible buyout or screw-off
mircea_popescu: <assbot> [MPEX] [S.BVPS] 42654 @ 0.0029 = 123.6966 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX:S.BVPS] 1day: 0.00289998 / 0.00293771 / 0.0032 (59448 shares, 174.64 BTC), 30day: 0.002 / 0.00265776 / 0.0032 (92264 shares, 245.22 BTC)
knotwork: they could do a smaller test first i suppose, start with the first 1000 people on the waiting list and loan them each 100,000 dvc and see how it goes
Namjies: ah, in prevision of the dividend arriving soon I presume
knotwork: pigeons also in reality its best not to think of them as people, since really they are basically just pseudonymous identities
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00051868 = 1.2163 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14240 @ 0.00051842 = 7.3823 BTC [-]
knotwork: brokers can perfectly well generate a bunch of identities themselves to include in
pigeons: knotwork: how many players in galactic milieu?
knotwork: pigeons if you count this lot I have no idea, there is no way of knowing the average ratio of actual live humans to sock puppet pseudonyms
pigeons: how many including sock puppets
knotwork: well 10,000 lines up wanting loans, for starters.
knotwork: there are hundreds of people in various subgames that have maybe never played since they signed up too, wanna count idlers too?
pigeons: alright, i get it, somewhere between a little and a lot
knotwork: oh well who counts smickles? hahahaha ;)
knotwork: ok well how many thousands is he alone then? :)
knotwork: part of the function of this structured thing is to try to come up with vehicles that do not care whether their counterparties are one human a billion humans one corp or hundreds of corps etc
smickles: I can't help attracting ciuciu, that character is like jeph jaques' squirrel with a massive boner
knotwork: though I suppose pretending to structure one person into several tranches is maybe a little pointless
smickles: I had no idea there was a tvtropes on QC
mircea_popescu: A Catholic annulment is analogous to a finding that a contract of sale is invalid
smickles: gwaa, it would help if i could at least remember which art style phase the squirrel first appeared in
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052278 = 1.2259 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16855 @ 0.00052256 = 8.8077 BTC [-]
knotwork: even if we never know whether all the people one broker represents really exist or are just sockpuppets of the broker the brokers can gain useful info from this about their customers even if they keep everyone else in the dark about whether those customers actually exist at all
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1300 @ 0.00334633 = 4.3502 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 3982 @ 0.003347 = 13.3278 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2300 @ 0.00336737 = 7.745 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 3400 @ 0.00337549 = 11.4767 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 9018 @ 0.00338808 = 30.5537 BTC [+]
knotwork: also if all the customers of a broker default that is useful info to know about that broker
smickles: mircea_popescu: i'm not going to look for it anymore, the squirrel is in like 3 out of 2330 strips
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 464 @ 0.00338808 = 1.5721 BTC [+]
knotwork: future access to various tranches of future runs of the concept could also be contingent on the performance of a broker's customers in previous runs
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052607 = 1.2336 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2305 @ 0.00052622 = 1.2129 BTC [+]
knotwork: thus some brokers might eat some losses themselves rather than be perceived as a broker who caters to deadbeats
pigeons: kakobreklaaa: Their system is based on a Bitcoin-style blockchain, much as we have
pigeons: discussed here over the last few years as an interesting possibility,
pigeons: but with a novel miner-less consensus mechanism that allows
pigeons: transactions to be confirmed nearly instantaneously.
knotwork: or in order to qualify to move up from devcoin based vehicles to litecoin so as to eventually advance to even higher coins
dub: hey thats YELLINGBIRD
Bugpowder: mircea_popescu She looks very similar to my ex
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052288 = 1.2262 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4490 @ 0.00052256 = 2.3463 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13355 @ 0.00052256 = 6.9788 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20973 @ 0.00052152 = 10.9378 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8472 @ 0.00051855 = 4.3932 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052616 = 1.2338 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11145 @ 0.00052622 = 5.8647 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4867 @ 0.00052872 = 2.5733 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1093 @ 0.00053176 = 0.5812 BTC [+]
gribble: Current Blocks: 210085 | Current Difficulty: 3438908.9601591 | Next Difficulty At Block: 211679 | Next Difficulty In: 1594 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 3 days, 3 hours, 31 minutes, and 40 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 3776113.86628476 | Estimated Percent Change: 9.80557816541
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1298 @ 0.00334406 = 4.3406 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 3811 @ 0.00334635 = 12.7529 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1000 @ 0.00336242 = 3.3624 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 291 @ 0.00339999 = 0.9894 BTC [+]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 12.26503, Best ask: 12.36650, Bid-ask spread: 0.10147, Last trade: 12.26402, 24 hour volume: 26466.34567538, 24 hour low: 12.17100, 24 hour high: 12.40712, 24 hour vwap: 12.29692
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1day: 0.00332186 / 0.00335463 / 0.00339999 (47804 shares, 160.37 BTC), 30day: 0.00180002 / 0.00332535 / 0.0034 (1081283 shares, 3,595.65 BTC)
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C070T] 1000 @ 0.43032464 = 430.3246 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.0005315 = 1.2464 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5636 @ 0.00053176 = 2.997 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1000 @ 0.00053183 = 0.5318 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2969 @ 0.00053184 = 1.579 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C080T] 1000 @ 0.34851387 = 348.5139 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052675 = 1.2352 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5205 @ 0.00052654 = 2.7406 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 50000 @ 0.00333334 = 166.667 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 3550 @ 0.00333263 = 11.8308 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1100 @ 0.00332583 = 3.6584 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 5544 @ 0.00332186 = 18.4164 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1785 @ 0.00331717 = 5.9211 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 4200 @ 0.0033154 = 13.9247 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 3394 @ 0.00331508 = 11.2514 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C080T] 1000 @ 0.34851387 = 348.5139 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1day: 0.00331508 / 0.00333996 / 0.00339999 (117377 shares, 392.03 BTC), 30day: 0.00180002 / 0.00332562 / 0.0034 (1150856 shares, 3,827.32 BTC)
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C070T] 1000 @ 0.43032464 = 430.3246 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P170T] 1 @ 0.38778304 BTC [-]
Namjies: yup, end of the month, dividends coming in. People go around shopping.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00053183 = 1.2471 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7170 @ 0.00053184 = 3.8133 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15648 @ 0.00053191 = 8.3233 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17280 @ 0.00053261 = 9.2035 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11688 @ 0.00053537 = 6.2574 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14250 @ 0.00053537 = 7.629 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14738 @ 0.00053542 = 7.891 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2495 @ 0.00053546 = 1.336 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16400 @ 0.00053552 = 8.7825 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1700 @ 0.00053567 = 0.9106 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1000 @ 0.00053573 = 0.5357 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17350 @ 0.00053574 = 9.2951 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18790 @ 0.00053589 = 10.0694 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25600 @ 0.00053607 = 13.7234 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7000 @ 0.00053608 = 3.7526 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20800 @ 0.00053611 = 11.1511 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19507 @ 0.00053618 = 10.4593 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10200 @ 0.00053618 = 5.469 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36400 @ 0.00053634 = 19.5228 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24000 @ 0.00053663 = 12.8791 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21760 @ 0.00053673 = 11.6792 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12128 @ 0.00053675 = 6.5097 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20000 @ 0.0005368 = 10.736 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9788 @ 0.00053682 = 5.2544 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1000 @ 0.00053696 = 0.537 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18400 @ 0.00053697 = 9.8802 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10900 @ 0.00053715 = 5.8549 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21663 @ 0.00053718 = 11.6369 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P140T] 1000 @ 0.17734109 = 177.3411 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P130T] 1000 @ 0.09182915 = 91.8292 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P120T] 1000 @ 0.05496801 = 54.968 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P110T] 1000 @ 0.05496801 = 54.968 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052808 = 1.2383 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13905 @ 0.00052782 = 7.3393 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P110T] 1000 @ 0.050857 = 50.857 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P120T] 1000 @ 0.050857 = 50.857 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P130T] 1000 @ 0.0917533 = 91.7533 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P140T] 1000 @ 0.17730597 = 177.306 BTC [-]
dub: time to meet a man about a mortgage
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C100N] 1000 @ 0.23392633 = 233.9263 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C110N] 800 @ 0.19838339 = 158.7067 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C120N] 600 @ 0.16784624 = 100.7077 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C130N] 400 @ 0.12905362 = 51.6214 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C140N] 200 @ 0.09478752 = 18.9575 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00053714 = 1.2596 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1000 @ 0.00053717 = 0.5372 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052803 = 1.2382 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5255 @ 0.00052782 = 2.7737 BTC [-]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 12.47835, Best ask: 12.47836, Bid-ask spread: 0.00001, Last trade: 12.47835, 24 hour volume: 29050.39462363, 24 hour low: 12.15000, 24 hour high: 12.59900, 24 hour vwap: 12.35523
mircea_popescu: kakobreklaaa ukto has a new exchange at bitfunder.com prolly wanna add it
Ukto: mircea_popescu: the market/asset pages are public now
Ukto: since its publically viewable I renamed some assets
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27900 @ 0.00053194 = 14.8411 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BVPS] 552 @ 0.0032 = 1.7664 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12100 @ 0.00053194 = 6.4365 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8800 @ 0.00053164 = 4.6784 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22950 @ 0.00053194 = 12.208 BTC [+]
gigavps: i have received a negative rating from bitnumus, i guess because of gigamining
mircea_popescu: i would very much advise against you rating in return for that sort of stuff
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23150 @ 0.00053164 = 12.3075 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2800 @ 0.00053068 = 1.4859 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: i guess if you absolutely must you can go something like -1 I don't even know who this is or something
Azelphur: gigavps: I know that guy, I wonder why he has downrated you
Azelphur: I might give him a nudge about it next time he comes on
gigavps: he doesn't like how i'm handling gigamining
gigavps: he's posted as much in the gigamining thread under the same handle
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5254 @ 0.00053194 = 2.7948 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: so nefario was going to release 3-4 assets a day a week ago
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2800 @ 0.00053562 = 1.4997 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: meanwhile, about what, 7-8 ? issuers got partial lists. very partial.
smickles: indeed, one might say, 'no list for neither '
smickles: mircea_popescu: glad to see we got Bill Cosby in the college
mircea_popescu: and no we don't jsut yet, he's not even managed to apply correctly.
smickles: 7739pirateat40-110gigavps2012-08-17 22:30:2310They don't come better.
smickles: I find pirate's rating of gigavps kinda humorous,
smickles: it's like the web is trying to say that a dodo has promised to be here, in person.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23800 @ 0.00053562 = 12.7478 BTC [+]
Ukto: mircea_popescu: cleaned up the asset view page
Ukto: graphs alot biger now, and the buy/sell boxes can actually hold larger numbers
Ukto: and resizing shouldnt break the divs
Ukto: debating making a Graphs tab, to display a crap ton of diff graph versions
Ukto: candles, OHLC, depth, etc
Ukto: all very simple at this point
Ukto: there is enough room
Ukto: that I can put both
Ukto: thanks to my recent resizing
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 656 @ 0.00053562 = 0.3514 BTC [+]
Ukto: i would like something extra to fill inthe line
kakobreklaaa: so you are making it less useful cause people are dumb
mircea_popescu: eh jesus that's a waste. just put a * or something next to it
kakobreklaaa: that one should be able to cancel it from there
Ukto: i was thinking something like that
Ukto: for a cancel button on the order page
Ukto: debating using red button tho
Ukto: since it is a 'cancel'
Ukto: but cancling isnt the endof the world tpe thing
kakobreklaaa: just put it in <blink> tags and it will be fine
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17700 @ 0.00053562 = 9.4805 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18094 @ 0.00053562 = 9.6915 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3256 @ 0.00053602 = 1.7453 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C090T] 1000 @ 0.27088322 = 270.8832 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C090T] 1000 @ 0.2714765 = 271.4765 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6294 @ 0.00053602 = 3.3737 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6800 @ 0.00053637 = 3.6473 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4100 @ 0.00053677 = 2.2008 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3850 @ 0.0005356 = 2.0621 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C090T] 1000 @ 0.2714765 = 271.4765 BTC [+]
jcpham: Will be interesting to see who wants to risk 10 BTC on messing with missy -PR.
jcpham: why are the judges necessary
gigavps: mircea_popescu can just rule with an iron fist
jcpham: and is there a chance that someone will fly me to romania
jcpham: so this is how mpex disputes are to be resolved?
mircea_popescu: in the sense that if you sue me i'll prolly pay to find out
jcpham: making a plaintiff pay a fee is a good idea
jcpham: knock out those false claims
mircea_popescu: basically, as a judge, you know for a fact you get 30 BTC if you last a year, + 3 btc a case, no matter how you decide it.
mircea_popescu: so it's not exactly slavery, but i guess maybe not really far off.
jcpham: are you offering me the job :)
jcpham: it sounds like you are tbh
jcpham: i mean, you are saying bllah blah this and blah blah that
jcpham: but all i see is "i reaaly really reaaly want you jcpham"
jurov: mircea, thanks for notification, I replied. And wasn't particularly kind to BTCT.
gribble: User 'jcpham', with keyid C71FB5ED6ACE04AF, fingerprint F7299BD73879E866613EAB24C71FB5ED6ACE04AF, and bitcoin address 16zaKwZC6n9BMipwLbewYGn8NXEgmN2f3Y, registered on Fri Nov 11 09:21:29 2011.
http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewgpg.php?nick=jcpham . Currently authenticated from hostmask jcpham!~jcpham@unaffiliated/jcpham .
mircea_popescu: pr's comments re public nuisance : "there should be a cancan ice cream parlor"
mircea_popescu: jcpham it's not a contest you realise ? the idea is to have a buncha judges.
jcpham: it's a contest and i just won it
jcpham: thanks to you mircea_popescu
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1400 @ 0.00333439 = 4.6681 BTC [+]
jcpham: i don't mind settling disputes with an iron fist
jcpham: sounds like wu-tang's next album
jcpham: shrug idk! they exist in my heart though
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C090T] 1000 @ 0.27206883 = 272.0688 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3800 @ 0.00053634 = 2.0381 BTC [+]
Ukto: kakobreklaaa: hmm, there is an issue with the cancel button being there
Ukto: I have to figure out
Ukto: right now, if you bid for 1 share.. and then bid another at the same price.. it creates 2 trades
Ukto: I really should change it to stack into the saem
Ukto: will fix the cancel button issue
kakobreklaaa: dont you use some uniqe id for the bids and asks?
Ukto: but the bids/asks table groups total shares by price
Ukto: either way, I am fizzing it up
Ukto: no reason to have seperate db items for multiple of the same asset at the same price
mircea_popescu: kakobreklaaa it's sharpie in pooper you person of dubious eastern european origin you
dub: I got fucked by a lady judge
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24498 @ 0.0005356 = 13.1211 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6250 @ 0.00053552 = 3.347 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12650 @ 0.00053398 = 6.7548 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5608 @ 0.00053283 = 2.9881 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6644 @ 0.00053276 = 3.5397 BTC [-]
dub: and not in that good way
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14300 @ 0.00053634 = 7.6697 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C090T] 1000 @ 0.27206883 = 272.0688 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9000 @ 0.00053634 = 4.8271 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14450 @ 0.0005364 = 7.751 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24100 @ 0.0005364 = 12.9272 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5756 @ 0.00053276 = 3.0666 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19344 @ 0.00053271 = 10.3047 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C090T] 1000 @ 0.2726602 = 272.6602 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10766 @ 0.0005364 = 5.7749 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14700 @ 0.00053677 = 7.8905 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8150 @ 0.00053682 = 4.3751 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4554 @ 0.0005369 = 2.445 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12300 @ 0.00053695 = 6.6045 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 252 @ 0.00053698 = 0.1353 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3941 @ 0.00053698 = 2.1162 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28900 @ 0.00053698 = 15.5187 BTC [+]
jurov: according to map on www.sharpie.com, any sharpies in eastern europe was there exported illegally.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18600 @ 0.00053582 = 9.9663 BTC [-]
jurov: maybe i can concoct something involving postal pigeons and bottles thrown into the sea
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1857 @ 0.00053698 = 0.9972 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8582 @ 0.00053718 = 4.6101 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2461 @ 0.00053732 = 1.3223 BTC [+]
jurov: but that will wait. now i'm entagled in postgres locking intricacies
mircea_popescu: lol wait. he wants to use coinbr to offer mpex stuff on his exchange ?
smickles: wow, icbit closed unchanged from yesterday
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00053604 = 1.257 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3857 @ 0.00053582 = 2.0667 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6798 @ 0.00053466 = 3.6346 BTC [-]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 12.48898, Best ask: 12.48899, Bid-ask spread: 0.00001, Last trade: 12.48898, 24 hour volume: 25387.36802085, 24 hour low: 12.15000, 24 hour high: 12.59900, 24 hour vwap: 12.39307
mircea_popescu: better than the historical .5 i guess. still way off imo\
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00053491 = 1.2544 BTC [+]
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smickles: anything to do with cocts and pigeons is a win
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 900 @ 0.0033034 = 2.9731 BTC [-]
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2500 @ 0.00329177 = 8.2294 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1100 @ 0.00329018 = 3.6192 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 648 @ 0.00328901 = 2.1313 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 6715 @ 0.00328634 = 22.0678 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: did satoshidice just lose a bunch of money or something ?
jurov: mircea_popescu, the coinbr to mpex order submission process
Doffx: Maybe someone just wanted some BTC?
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Doffx: Once Deadterra gets the Glbse Info it will be even bigger selloff im sure
Doffx: So they can transfer it to Fiat Duh
mircea_popescu: a ok. jurov you prolly know as rinisomething. runs coinbr
burnside: it's one of a lot of projects. :)
jurov: yes, i've got kinda split personality, rini17 is my other half
burnside: coinbr, they batch the orders?
mircea_popescu: well... as long as you're doing 17 yos it dun matter anyway.
jurov: burnside, coinbr does not any batching. and hopefully never will do.
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5856 @ 0.00053271 = 3.1195 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8114 @ 0.00053216 = 4.3179 BTC [-]
burnside: not sure, just saw all the orders come thru at once on s.dice
jurov: with coinbr you'd actually have a problem to submit multiple orders at once, there's kinda protection on order form and more
mircea_popescu: but in general, if a single sell/buy crosses multiple bid/asks on the book it'll spark a bunch of lines
burnside: that makes sense, ditto for btctc
mircea_popescu: do you have a twitter tradestream somewhere for that ?
burnside: tho, sadly, I do not have an assbot
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burnside: nah, twitter rate limits... no good.
burnside: yeah, the glbse feed was missing stuff because of it
mircea_popescu: i know it ate identical updates, but i added a fix for that
burnside: not necessarily eating them, just replies when you make the post that you're posting too fast
burnside: not sure, don't have the background.
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assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C100T] 1000 @ 0.19216735 = 192.1674 BTC [-]
dub: mircea_popescu subbing for a change
jurov: if the broker goes broke, do I have a problem?
jurov: another gem from coinbr thread...i'd rather go add the 7d link
mircea_popescu: (which is different from cryptoexchange ; linked to vircurex iirc)
burnside: Ukto, what do you run? Sorry, working my day job atm.
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Ukto: re-doing some sql + keys sets
Ukto: to make things far more efficinet
burnside: it definitely looks good, lovethe design
Ukto: and then gotta setup the API sys
Ukto: look unter BTSEE-mining
Ukto: under the profile tab
Ukto: the oldest news item is riot
Ukto: mircea_popescu: it looks nice (if done right) and makes life simple
dub: you should bootstrap mpex
Ukto: yeh. if you want help I would be happy to toss in some knowldge :)
Ukto: still learning alot of the fancynesses tho
burnside: lol, that'll be the day. (pirate returns deposits)
Ukto: I did almost all of bitfunder in bootstrap.. only recently started adding any extra jquery to do special stuffs
Ukto: did you read the actual article part?
Ukto: asset issuers can easily draft, edit, and then post newslettes
Ukto: was debating it as an option
dub: mircea_popescu: would be fun though
Ukto: havent touched the mail options stuff yet
Ukto: 'notifications' technically
mircea_popescu: i ran a sort of romanian reddit + my blog, ended up sending in the low k's emails each day
Ukto: I have a special email service I use
burnside: I'm gonna get my ass handed to me. ;)
Ukto: being in the hosting business
Ukto: i have had my share of mailers
mircea_popescu: burnside in finance the tech part is the smaller half of the cake.
burnside: I'm with MP... too old school.
Ukto: and dealing with how to make good mailers work right, and getting rid of the 'spammers'
mircea_popescu: many people can make nice websites, the idea is to not fuck up.
Ukto: burnside: which is yours?
Ukto: mircea_popescu: tell me about it
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Ukto: I apologize if I have said anything that might sound negative towards the design on the site
burnside: actually, I'd like to hear what you have to say
burnside: first time here, so I haven't caught anything b4 today
Ukto: its not that bad, was just talking shit
Ukto: it actualyl looks diff though
Ukto: from when I looked before
Ukto: last time, things were misaligned
burnside: yeah, i'll have to dl one... haven't been on irc in years.
burnside: used to use some cli ones on linux
mircea_popescu: then forgot about it... then got sucked in with bitcoin again
Ukto: burnside: have you changed the layout of the page at all lately?
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burnside: mostly been working on some of the features.
mircea_popescu: Ukto are you thinking of the mpex clone someone came up with ?
burnside: the core is solid, been running a couple months on the LTC side of things
Ukto: this looks similar to what I remember htough
burnside: but yeah, I looked at it on my phone the other day and it needs some tweaks
Ukto: but the bonds/funds tables were badly aligned with each other
Ukto: and there was alot more green
Ukto: also, personal opinion, I dont like the user/pass fields location. kinda space wastey
burnside: yeah, could move 'em to just the index page
Ukto: mircea_popescu: mines been there since the get go
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Ukto: I have google 2fa on weex, hp, and bf
burnside: yeah, I think I added it a week or two after launch on ltc-global
Ukto: and like 5 min to implement
Ukto: burnside: the site is launched?
mircea_popescu: imo google 2fa may be better than the dongle. just my opinion
burnside: litecoinglobal.com been running for months
Ukto: oh. somehow i was associating the beta msg at the top, as test mode
burnside: I like the google, just because I hate having lots of devices
Ukto: should write 'Live Beta'
Ukto: I get away with all kinda things
Ukto: permenant "beta" status
Ukto: any problems, just blame it on the fact of being a beta
Ukto: "Farmville" was always beta. now 2 is out
burnside: yeah, I don't think I'll be permanently beta, but definitely for the next couple months
Ukto: and guess what, its beta!
gribble: nefario was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 9 weeks, 3 days, 0 hours, 45 minutes, and 48 seconds ago: <nefario> Those assets are not listed or traded anymore
burnside: yeah, kind of a legal get out of jail free card.
Ukto: I might just go Delta.
Ukto: wont get you out of a scammer tag tho ;)
Ukto: besides, with bitcoins, i have my ToS because its the truth
Ukto: anyone who says anything otherwise, its kind of a lie
Ukto: esp w/o real id, and verification
Ukto: use an anonymous service anonymously, and get anonymous reprecutionions.
burnside: heh, yeah, your ToS cracked me up
Ukto: mircea_popescu: LOL
burnside: sooner or later I'll spend some time figuring out WoT
Ukto: thought it was funny when ppl called for a scammer tag on theymos :P
mircea_popescu: actually i'ma see if theymos won't just enforce scammer tags if ordered there. should make it easier for mods.
mircea_popescu: Ukto people, i think that was my ever-loving pr chick.
burnside: been a low priority, I have enough about me out on the net
mircea_popescu: burnside that's not such a smart call. the wot is central.
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Ukto: i have bitfudner part broken atm
Ukto: so i need to focus for a couple
burnside: Ukto, later. nice work with the site. lemme know if there's anything I can help with security-wise, etc.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1500 @ 0.00053076 = 0.7961 BTC [-]
smickles: lol, the stats say that some people found their way to my blog via a google search for...
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C100T] 1000 @ 0.19216735 = 192.1674 BTC [-]
dub: is this the usual bitcoin calibre of humour?
smickles: 'cause I know you like the topic mircea_popescu
dub: hay gais im a fish, no im not LOL
smickles: mircea_popescu: once, but it's still not 'neutral' but then they added the NPOV dispute tag
dub: you got troll im not really a fish bawhawhaw
mircea_popescu: cause now people will infer it's about the article not about some dumbass sentence
smickles: mircea_popescu: its positioned right above that one sentense
mircea_popescu: mp's theorem of wikipedia : any time sunk into wikipedia makes the world overall a worse place.
smickles: mircea_popescu: aslo, there are people actually asking me to write about the issue
dub: whats up with your blog header?
dub: I get, guy with shitty shoes getting fucked in the ass by guy with better shoes
smickles: dub: you thook that out of the pic?
dub: outside pair is nicer shoes
smickles: it's a comparison of my new shoes to my old shoes, lol
dub: inside kinda kowtowed
smickles: well, i've got to leave it that way now
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dub: its teh average man getting fucked by the rich!
smickles: dub: you can even see that the inner shoes are empty!
dub: not really, its kinda dark
smickles: ah well, thanks for taking a gander at my blog :)
mircea_popescu: <dub> its teh average man getting fucked by the rich! <<< :D
smickles: and for making me laugh at my not seeing that possibility
dub: its a great theme for finance related blog tbh
mircea_popescu: ftr smickles i always thought it's your wife's shoes in the middle
smickles: heh, they are both mine tho, so .. i'm taller than myself? Oh hey, I'm larger than life !@
dub: a blog? I can hardly be bothered ranting on twitter
mircea_popescu: you should be put into one of those male chastity belts and only allowed out ~half hour after you've posted a good article
mircea_popescu: i know a coupla pretty famous cooking blogs that work on that principle.
dub: actually that is somethign I've thought about
dub: sharing my culinary adventures
dub: mrs dub wouldn't go for the chastity belt thing tho
smickles: I actually tend to wait till she begs for it
smickles: so, i dunno, maybe I'd need to be tied up or somehting for that modality to work for me
smickles: lol, "Spontaneous kindness is to hipsters as high beams are to deer."
dub: so I made up a sauce the other night, a traditional (home made) mint sauce turned into a buerre blanc, was quite impressed with myself
dub: sorry, not up to your fish froma tube sandwiches :)
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dub: that was truly frightening to me, I knew about cheese in a can but fish?
dub: obv. I know about canned fish, guess its just different packaging
dub: yes, I'm a bit spoiled, plenty of good fish int he sea 800m from my front door
mircea_popescu: i like fresh fish, don't get me wrong, but something like winter sprats
mircea_popescu: or smoked salmon, or cured herring etc can't be matched.
smickles: 21:13 < mircea_popescu> real men eat bearing balls. << or quoran cooked bacon, right?
dub: smoking a fish takes a stainless steel box and 20 minutes
dub: and you get to fuck with what kind of wood/spices are flavouring it
dub: ;;google how to smoke a fish
dub: yes those links suck
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jurov: okay, so live.coinbr.com has now an inconspicuos combobox added
mircea_popescu: course price doesn't correctly scale now for month and week :D
jurov: just a hack for now. should do proper candle + volume graphs
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jurov: month graph looks like fractal function
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jurov: i envy mpoe-pr now... answering 3 simple questions took me 40 minutes :/
jurov: how does she manage?
jurov: i type reasonably fast... yeah, maybe other body parts are the culprit
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4270 @ 0.0005247 = 2.2405 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: and i tell you, the only thing better than having a girl making sandwiches is having a girl making btctalk summaries.
mircea_popescu: burnside re the quoting things : afaik frenode policy is that it's up to each chan owner to set up policy.
Ukto: kakobreklaaa: take a look at thge my ask/bid (cancel) button now
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1433 @ 0.00053742 = 0.7701 BTC [+]
Ukto: Not only did I get things visually correct, added even MORE info to the cancel button
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 471 @ 0.00053742 = 0.2531 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2089 @ 0.00053747 = 1.1228 BTC [+]
burnside: MP, sounds good, thx for that.
Ukto: burnside: watch out, MP will quote you talking shitty about other ppl / other ppls sites
burnside: I try not to talk shitty, karma's a bitch
Ukto: i still think somethings diff. from what I saw tho :/
burnside: eh, only thing I could think of is that I shortend the text in the tabs on the market
Ukto: I just remember something blarring out at my eyes
Ukto: enough that I quickly closed it
Ukto: I said that about someones
Ukto: if not I said it to someone else
Ukto: thought it coulda been a diff site
burnside: I -know- it's a web 1.0 looking site
burnside: so you're not gonna hurt my feelings
burnside: it has 2 images. the favicon, and the geotrust label.
burnside: I'm just not graphically inclined
Ukto: i was talking to someone in pm
Ukto: they mentioned it, i opened it and said 'wow. layout needs a crap ton of work'
Ukto: similar enough to 'its kinda shitty' :P
Ukto: or easily confused with
Ukto: your gonna charge 0.01btc per withdraw and 0.2% trading fee?
Ukto: also.. under what unique about btctc. you write trading of assets in btc...
Ukto: arent all asset exchanges doing it that way?
burnside: Ukto, nah, it's same codebase as litecoinglobal.com, so over there you can see it reads: "trading of assets in ltc"
burnside: which on litecoinglobal was unique
burnside: only diff between the two sites is a config file
burnside: which I definitely need to hand off to someone that isn't colorblind.
pigeons: hey its burnside, the gang's all here
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29100 @ 0.00053747 = 15.6404 BTC [+]
Ukto: burnside: also, on BF, under the held assets page, it gives an est. value per asset based on last trade price
burnside: hey, yeah... re-discovering irc.
Ukto: although, i really should add a total total price
burnside: yeah, ltc-global/btc-tc has that in one of the portfolio tabs... definitely good to have.
burnside: I need to figure out how to make it take the order book into account tho.
burnside: give a value along the lines of "if I want to liquidate now, what would I get?"
Ukto: there, total total done
Ukto: burnside: thats not worth the trouble
Ukto: cause alot of times, like when I used glbse
Ukto: if I sold off all my JAH shares..
Ukto: rather. when my account was *cough*"hacked"*cough* and "someone" sold off all my JAH shares
Ukto: it emptied the market
Ukto: so its not worth doing honestly
Ukto: would be too inacurate
jcpham: who knows what the difinition of an asset is?
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7319 @ 0.0005244 = 3.8381 BTC [-]
burnside: that's what I'm getting at. part of the value is "how much depth is there backing up this price?"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12232 @ 0.00052392 = 6.4086 BTC [-]
Ukto: well, at least not worth anyones time
Ukto: oh. n/m. i misread that
jcpham: Anything tangible or intangible that is capable of being owned or controlled to produce value and that is held to have positive economic value is considered an asset.
jcpham: tangible or intangible that is capable of being owned or controlled
Ukto: controlled is another story
jcpham: it seems to be me that assets based on bitcoin are bullshit
jcpham: because you lose that once you give up your btc
Ukto: what about assets based on mining equipement?
jcpham: i think i'm specifically talking about intangibles
jcpham: but i have some serious issues with this concept
jcpham: bonds and intangibles that bear fruit
Ukto: dont get into clinton.. "Your honor, that depends. How do you define 'IS'?"
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jcpham: one lesson i forgot somewhere along the way and then re-learned
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jcpham: if it isn't on the blockchain, it isn't real
jcpham: any bitcoins i give to someone to control some thing are gone
pigeons: well there is some level of counterparty risk in most things that involve a counterparty
jcpham: but your point is very valid
mircea_popescu: one day you go to your bank, they tell you to fuck off. what now ?
mircea_popescu: maybe they got one of those "secret" presidential orders to steal your money.
mircea_popescu: maybe they just stole it a la that broker that mixed client funds recently.
jcpham: that's why i can't give my btc to any entity
mircea_popescu: in btc you have this advantage, that cash makes sense.
jcpham: my only point is that many of the so-called assets, the name of this channel
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jcpham: they aren't exactly all assets in the conventiuonal sense
jcpham: seems like an oxymoron to me
Ukto: yelp. welcome to #bitcoin-asshats. :P
mircea_popescu: any woman you marry could be fucking around behind your back
mircea_popescu: any children you have may not be yours but the milkman's
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Ukto: mircea_popescu: cancel button on the order books now works
Ukto: when done you end up on the myassets page
Ukto: but it at lesat works
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19200 @ 0.00052895 = 10.1558 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: As of 19 November 2012, Crypto x Change stopped allowing trades. There have been a couple of incidents in which we are not allowed to make public which have forced us to close the exchange.
mircea_popescu: the stupidity of the us government shines through : by making such bs gagged stuff the law of the land there, they've empowered any scammer anywhere
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Ukto: best part about a gag order
Ukto: is that if your actions of no information lead to a court
Ukto: you cannot even defend yourself to the judge or explain the gag order
Ukto: that gag order itself is covered
mircea_popescu: it's bullshit and you'd have to be an idiot to follow it.
dub: capslock, the difference between following and not following court orders
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1055 @ 0.00053207 = 0.5613 BTC [-]
dub: what about name suppression?
dub: well reality is the court can do most anythign it wants and does
dub: including illegal things
mircea_popescu: the burden of persuasion is on the court/legal system i'm affraid.
dub: my fucked by a lady judge comment e.g. relates to a completely illegal ruling I had against me
dub: without $10k's to fight it when I was 18 I'm stuck with it
dub: my lawyer said 'yes that is unusual' and that was that
mircea_popescu: but otherwise... better not start fucking up with the wrong people. so life goes.
dub: then the last lady judge I stood before actually apologised as she convicted me
dub: last one was for drink driving I was only just over teh limit
dub: and I offered no bullshit sob story like the preceedign few asshats
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1574 @ 0.00053207 = 0.8375 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24921 @ 0.00053207 = 13.2597 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7929 @ 0.00053 = 4.2024 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9811 @ 0.00053 = 5.1998 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6889 @ 0.00052726 = 3.6323 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3900 @ 0.00053576 = 2.0895 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10800 @ 0.0005364 = 5.7931 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 300 @ 0.00053617 = 0.1609 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00053742 = 1.2602 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 807 @ 0.0005376 = 0.4338 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14800 @ 0.00053761 = 7.9566 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5198 @ 0.00053766 = 2.7948 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00053758 = 1.2606 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8569 @ 0.00053766 = 4.6072 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23650 @ 0.00053778 = 12.7185 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1486 @ 0.00053778 = 0.7991 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.0005337 = 1.2515 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15810 @ 0.0005334 = 8.4331 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3022 @ 0.00052726 = 1.5934 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4223 @ 0.00052629 = 2.2225 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 435 @ 0.00328634 = 1.4296 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 700 @ 0.00328068 = 2.2965 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 3337 @ 0.0032796 = 10.944 BTC [-]
Namjies: I just integrated my new design with WHMCS
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00053753 = 1.2605 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19172 @ 0.00053768 = 10.3084 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5383 @ 0.00053778 = 2.8949 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5174 @ 0.00053778 = 2.7825 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7726 @ 0.0005378 = 4.155 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8650 @ 0.00053126 = 4.5954 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052641 = 1.2344 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6405 @ 0.00052629 = 3.3709 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00053235 = 1.2484 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10522 @ 0.00053234 = 5.6013 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9920 @ 0.00052807 = 5.2385 BTC [-]
Diablo-D3: youtube has supported it for years
mircea_popescu: i am lol. not all stuff shows tho. but srsly, leave comment.
Diablo-D3: I have no clue what th eguy is saying, btw
Diablo-D3: apparently its a polish translation of monty python
Diablo-D3: I cant find it without the fucking polish
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14849 @ 0.00053285 = 7.9123 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7051 @ 0.00053032 = 3.7393 BTC [-]
Diablo-D3: man, why the fuck cant I find this in the original english
Ukto: kakobreklaaa: got the cancel stuff all done for the order books
Ukto: also included the number of shares on the btton
Ukto: so you know how many are yours
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2362 @ 0.00053032 = 1.2526 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7238 @ 0.00052937 = 3.8316 BTC [-]
Ukto: nah, it was a great idea
Ukto: and it gave me a reason to fixup the page more
Ukto: looks much better now
Ukto: i also added pagination && searching to the trade history page
Ukto: so ppl can quickly sort to X assets, or Y date just by typing
Ukto: if you guys come up wiht anything else, lemme know. :)
Ukto: otherwise. i will start on api
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7755 @ 0.0005378 = 4.1706 BTC [+]
Ukto: at least, start debating how I am going to do the api
mircea_popescu: kakobreklaaa maybe you should wear moare leather and a whip
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: bleh, I cant reply to a reply
mircea_popescu: smickles will prolly be all awwww when he sees this tomorrow
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00053749 = 1.2604 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4484 @ 0.0005378 = 2.4115 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3653 @ 0.00053783 = 1.9647 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15150 @ 0.00053784 = 8.1483 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11850 @ 0.00053785 = 6.3735 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5458 @ 0.00053794 = 2.9361 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052956 = 1.2418 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4796 @ 0.00052937 = 2.5389 BTC [-]
smickles: well, damn, i just had to be taking care of my daughter, rather than refreshing my rss feed of trilema
mircea_popescu: you know, of all the things i could be after i die, i guess "that voice in the head of psychopaths telling them what to do" wouldn't be the worst...
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00053778 = 1.2611 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23855 @ 0.00053794 = 12.8326 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00053386 = 1.2519 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3255 @ 0.00053371 = 1.7372 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00053736 = 1.2601 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9255 @ 0.00053727 = 4.9724 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11082 @ 0.00053727 = 5.954 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9495 @ 0.00053371 = 5.0676 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12373 @ 0.00053028 = 6.5612 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31064 @ 0.00053028 = 16.4726 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2513 @ 0.00337226 = 8.4745 BTC [+]
Namjies: ah, nvm, just commenting about your earlier comment
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11863 @ 0.00053028 = 6.2907 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5737 @ 0.00052973 = 3.0391 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11063 @ 0.00052973 = 5.8604 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 116 @ 0.00052937 = 0.0614 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3371 @ 0.00052885 = 1.7828 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7300 @ 0.00053251 = 3.8873 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7050 @ 0.00052885 = 3.7284 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9100 @ 0.00053251 = 4.8458 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7179 @ 0.00052885 = 3.7966 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15971 @ 0.00052671 = 8.4121 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BVPS] 5792 @ 0.0022 = 12.7424 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7379 @ 0.00052671 = 3.8866 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22021 @ 0.00052646 = 11.5932 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3921 @ 0.00052646 = 2.0642 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10929 @ 0.00052629 = 5.7518 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4179 @ 0.00052629 = 2.1994 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2321 @ 0.00052599 = 1.2208 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25507 @ 0.00052715 = 13.446 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6943 @ 0.00052599 = 3.6519 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9400 @ 0.00052599 = 4.9443 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11900 @ 0.00053251 = 6.3369 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10850 @ 0.00053359 = 5.7895 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10700 @ 0.00053471 = 5.7214 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 3285 @ 0.00336348 = 11.049 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 5100 @ 0.00328053 = 16.7307 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1023 @ 0.0032796 = 3.355 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27443 @ 0.00052599 = 14.4347 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3050 @ 0.00052599 = 1.6043 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5850 @ 0.00052927 = 3.0962 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1916 @ 0.00053471 = 1.0245 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5000 @ 0.0005351 = 2.6755 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.0005379 = 1.2614 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4305 @ 0.00053794 = 2.3158 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00053775 = 1.261 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3698 @ 0.00053794 = 1.9893 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2909 @ 0.00053794 = 1.5649 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22400 @ 0.00053796 = 12.0503 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20350 @ 0.00053798 = 10.9479 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15741 @ 0.00053802 = 8.469 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15859 @ 0.00053802 = 8.5325 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29700 @ 0.0005381 = 15.9816 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6100 @ 0.0005382 = 3.283 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7473 @ 0.00053824 = 4.0223 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2200 @ 0.0032796 = 7.2151 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00053525 = 1.2552 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4484 @ 0.0005351 = 2.3994 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052676 = 1.2353 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11429 @ 0.00052651 = 6.0175 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052615 = 1.2338 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18100 @ 0.00052596 = 9.5199 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1632 @ 0.00052533 = 0.8573 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 773 @ 0.00052474 = 0.4056 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5427 @ 0.00052474 = 2.8478 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12654 @ 0.00052453 = 6.6374 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11496 @ 0.00052453 = 6.03 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10200 @ 0.00052453 = 5.3502 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15800 @ 0.00052451 = 8.2873 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3250 @ 0.0005244 = 1.7043 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18657 @ 0.0005244 = 9.7837 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7015 @ 0.00052421 = 3.6773 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052656 = 1.2348 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10505 @ 0.00052662 = 5.5321 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2950 @ 0.00052901 = 1.5606 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2500 @ 0.00053074 = 1.3269 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00053061 = 1.2443 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27950 @ 0.00053074 = 14.8342 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22005 @ 0.00053634 = 11.8022 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 958 @ 0.0032648 = 3.1277 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19178 @ 0.00053258 = 10.2138 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052842 = 1.2391 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052842 = 1.2391 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3910 @ 0.00052823 = 2.0654 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3850 @ 0.00052823 = 2.0337 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00053081 = 1.2447 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00053093 = 1.245 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8410 @ 0.00053116 = 4.4671 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052858 = 1.2395 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052826 = 1.2388 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13940 @ 0.00052823 = 7.3635 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10500 @ 0.00052729 = 5.5365 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3179 @ 0.00052421 = 1.6665 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00053111 = 1.2455 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00053111 = 1.2455 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15581 @ 0.00053116 = 8.276 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00053109 = 1.2454 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 859 @ 0.00053116 = 0.4563 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8446 @ 0.00053258 = 4.4982 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18676 @ 0.00053258 = 9.9465 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8576 @ 0.00053406 = 4.5801 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1500 @ 0.00333051 = 4.9958 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052448 = 1.2299 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9989 @ 0.00052421 = 5.2363 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052911 = 1.2408 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12455 @ 0.00052876 = 6.5857 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052943 = 1.2415 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5755 @ 0.00052949 = 3.0472 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052878 = 1.24 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4755 @ 0.00052876 = 2.5143 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27598 @ 0.00052876 = 14.5927 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3602 @ 0.00052771 = 1.9008 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052914 = 1.2408 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24503 @ 0.00052918 = 12.9665 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052898 = 1.2405 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10147 @ 0.00052918 = 5.3696 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3608 @ 0.00052949 = 1.9104 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1609 @ 0.00052435 = 0.8437 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14917 @ 0.00052421 = 7.8196 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18134 @ 0.00052419 = 9.5057 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19818 @ 0.00052392 = 10.383 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11171 @ 0.00052372 = 5.8505 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9260 @ 0.00052361 = 4.8486 BTC [-]
jurov: so, apparently i need to slap "The use of this site is for educational and entertainment purposes only." on coinbr
jurov: to evade accusations that i'm "borderline scammer", eh?
jurov: while the same person says that that to say about myself that i'm a broker, i need some certificate, lol
jurov: oh, and i also need insurance. usagi, you there?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052379 = 1.2283 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052362 = 1.2279 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8740 @ 0.00052361 = 4.5764 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15192 @ 0.00052354 = 7.9536 BTC [-]
jurov: so, mircea_popescu, of it all comes that we should get some legal affidavit that that nothing we trade is real.
jurov: then we can call ourselves "security exchange" and "broker"
pigeons: people used to put that on video game ROM download sites
pigeons: "This site is for educational purposes only"
pigeons: yeah i'm sure those words are magic
pigeons: wow borderline scammer accusation from the operator of a borderline exchange in a borderline currency
jurov: yeah borderline trolling
jurov: and we need borderline insurance, don't forget :P
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13607 @ 0.00052354 = 7.1238 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14043 @ 0.00052337 = 7.3497 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052435 = 1.2296 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1755 @ 0.00052448 = 0.9205 BTC [+]
jurov: and I'm going to my tax directorate branch tomorrow, to get official acknowledgement that i'm doing imaginary trades
jurov: oh, can we have this immunity extended to coinbr?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2100 @ 0.00052339 = 1.0991 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: the argument is pretty retarded, "your honor, I thought jurov was a broker" "well... did you wire him money ?"
jurov: o any mistakes you make are far harder to fix than if you were running your own exchange where you probably would eat a BTC loss out of the wallet but could easily revert to a previous backup.
jurov: so if i empty btct wallet, they'll just revert to previous backup, and all will be dandy
jurov: why didn't i think of such?
mircea_popescu: seems to me the broker-exchange structure is inherently safer
mircea_popescu: than just the straight exchange. amply displayed in the case of icbit
mircea_popescu: they weren't expecting a user to go through a broker, and thus have actual proof of their bs shady dealings
mircea_popescu: i think in general there's this expectation on the part of website owners that they have license to alter history
jurov: it's a business model for some, like betsofbitcoin
jurov: okay. gotta go sweat it off to the gym
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 245 @ 0.00052339 = 0.1282 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2999 @ 0.00052337 = 1.5696 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13250 @ 0.00052327 = 6.9333 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2496 @ 0.00052306 = 1.3056 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7900 @ 0.00052306 = 4.1322 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5000 @ 0.00052306 = 2.6153 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2047 @ 0.00052306 = 1.0707 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17553 @ 0.00052303 = 9.1807 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.0005242 = 1.2292 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13695 @ 0.00052448 = 7.1828 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16360 @ 0.00052749 = 8.6297 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 950 @ 0.00333969 = 3.1727 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052722 = 1.2363 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1455 @ 0.00052749 = 0.7675 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052646 = 1.2345 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052642 = 1.2345 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3879 @ 0.00052628 = 2.0414 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5893 @ 0.00052628 = 3.1014 BTC [-]
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 239 @ 0.00052303 = 0.125 BTC [-]
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17000 @ 0.00052286 = 8.8886 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11368 @ 0.00052265 = 5.9415 BTC [-]
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2 @ 0.00052686 = 0.0011 BTC [+]
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9555 @ 0.00052686 = 5.0341 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1918 @ 0.00052541 = 1.0077 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14040 @ 0.00052686 = 7.3971 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 3350 @ 0.00334387 = 11.202 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052293 = 1.2263 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18751 @ 0.00052265 = 9.8002 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4804 @ 0.00052262 = 2.5107 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052277 = 1.2259 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6773 @ 0.00052262 = 3.5397 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052303 = 1.2265 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41700 @ 0.00052312 = 21.8141 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 903 @ 0.00052686 = 0.4758 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7852 @ 0.00052749 = 4.1419 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1000 @ 0.00052421 = 0.5242 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052422 = 1.2293 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9655 @ 0.0005243 = 5.0621 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052276 = 1.2259 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15455 @ 0.00052262 = 8.0771 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052413 = 1.2291 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6755 @ 0.0005243 = 3.5416 BTC [+]
Ukto: have sto setup the json api..
Ukto: and trying to think of a really clever way to do it
Ukto: rather than just sent api_key, api_pin, cmd, array(key=value)
Ukto: mebbe its just the best way
Ukto: dont expose yourself in here
jurov: lol i expose controller, not myself. i'm only pulling strings.
Ukto: I honestly wish I could see GLBSE's api command list again. cant find it on google anywhere. not because i wanna just copy it, but because I want ppl to be able to use old glbse trading scripts by just changing the url
Ukto: yeah, thats what they all say :P
jurov: maybe try making it similar to mtgox
Ukto: I stay away from that rats nest of api crazyness
Ukto: its all over the place
Ukto: i was annoyed at having to figure it out just to use it
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052273 = 1.2258 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 152 @ 0.00052262 = 0.0794 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14872 @ 0.00052246 = 7.77 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10431 @ 0.00052244 = 5.4496 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052408 = 1.229 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 490 @ 0.0005243 = 0.2569 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8315 @ 0.0005268 = 4.3803 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24655 @ 0.0005268 = 12.9883 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3780 @ 0.00052749 = 1.9939 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3065 @ 0.00052789 = 1.618 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052246 = 1.2252 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8119 @ 0.00052244 = 4.2417 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9717 @ 0.00052241 = 5.0763 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052774 = 1.2376 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6135 @ 0.00052789 = 3.2386 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1920 @ 0.00052847 = 1.0147 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052253 = 1.2253 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4756 @ 0.00052241 = 2.4846 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052245 = 1.2251 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15361 @ 0.00052241 = 8.0247 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1500 @ 0.00052232 = 0.7835 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13530 @ 0.00052205 = 7.0633 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3450 @ 0.00052205 = 1.8011 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1961 @ 0.00052205 = 1.0237 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1763 @ 0.00052192 = 0.9201 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14737 @ 0.00052192 = 7.6915 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4224 @ 0.0005218 = 2.2041 BTC [-]
Ukto: fucking glbse api system. now that I see it, there is no way I will use 50,00 fake subdirs for api calls
mircea_popescu: i chose to stfu, on the theory that unless you're an idiot you'll figure it out yourself in short order.
Ukto: im just gonna go with my original idea.
Ukto: api_key, api_pin, cmd, array(key=value)
Ukto: yeh. api/account/assset/list api/account/balance api/market/buy market/order/cancel asset/depth market/orders history/bitcoin history/assets
Ukto: instead of just sending a fucking command key
Ukto: hi, lets bloat mod_rewrite instead!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052836 = 1.239 BTC [+]
Ukto: he wasnt that advanced
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21528 @ 0.00052847 = 11.3769 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7182 @ 0.00052949 = 3.8028 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 145 @ 0.00053076 = 0.077 BTC [+]
Ukto: he could barely get ruby to work
Ukto: wasnt even use rails
Ukto: using some other wtf off shoot
Ukto: your just writing the cmd if you do it with mod
Ukto: just let the client send the cmd directly
Ukto: and eb done with it
Ukto: url should just be /api/
Ukto: and send your fucking json api call
Ukto: he made api calls to create assets.
Ukto: just screams BAD IDEA
Ukto: and account/asset/issue
Ukto: code from someones python script
Ukto: most complete api cmd reference I could find
Ukto: there are some he's missing, but thats because nefario never told anyone but me. heh
Ukto: thats a -, I assure you
Ukto: because he didnt post them
Ukto: you guys think api key + api pin is secure enough?
Ukto: was debating letting users also do 2fa
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00053047 = 1.244 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17955 @ 0.00053076 = 9.5298 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 900 @ 0.00333229 = 2.9991 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 850 @ 0.00333413 = 2.834 BTC [+]
Ukto: s'pose i could make it difficult on ppl, and use gpg signed stuff
pigeons: Ukto: that python script is actually the original official glbse client
Ukto: that explains why its so complete
kakobreklaaa: oh yes i thought it looked familliar at first glance
pigeons: "black market" unless a lawyer you meet on the train tells you its illegal
kuzetsa: well... leagal minus any SEC regulatory issues you run into
Ukto: i never saw that one. nice oracle
Ukto: google tries to enforce copyrighting apis? 0,o
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00053174 = 1.2469 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7802 @ 0.00053165 = 4.1479 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15453 @ 0.00053124 = 8.2093 BTC [-]
kuzetsa: oracle tried to claim dalvik was infringing on their acquired "sun" java platform because the APIs were basically identical
kuzetsa: dalvik being the guts of most apps on google's android OS
Ukto: hes the one that designed the rather interesting app "push" system
Ukto: that lets google install w/e they want on your phone, and even without your knowledge/consent. :P
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00053204 = 1.2476 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18422 @ 0.00053213 = 9.8029 BTC [+]
Ukto: you dont just 'download' an app from their store
Ukto: when you hit install, googles servers send you a msg
kuzetsa: I'm an android developer :P
Ukto: lemme find the paper 1 sec
Ukto: stumbled on it, when I was looking into how to do forced app updates
Ukto: was like a year ago tho
mircea_popescu: so with a bittle lit of luck i'ma sell the planescape project on using bitcoin in their game.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00053159 = 1.2466 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13549 @ 0.00053124 = 7.1978 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00053132 = 1.2459 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6948 @ 0.00053124 = 3.6911 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20676 @ 0.00052501 = 10.8551 BTC [-]
Ukto: kuzetsa: I'll find the info on it sooner or later
kuzetsa: I've directly dealt with the google apps distribution platform
Ukto: it described how they do some shit, and send a push type call to the phone directly to download the app
kuzetsa: it affects me more as a developer than it might as a security "conscious" (paranoid)
Ukto: i'm not worried about how they use it
kuzetsa: end user... so I'd rather not read the paper anyway
Ukto: I just remember thinking it was interesting, and I remember seeing dalvik mentioned
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00053182 = 1.2471 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10755 @ 0.00053213 = 5.7231 BTC [+]
Ukto: was thinking it was cause he was invovled in creating hte process, might be wrong.
Ukto: dont remember the reference
Ukto: pisses me off when I cant find things tho :/
Ukto: back to debating how to do a nice secure api
Ukto: w/o going too overboard
kuzetsa: the android apk files are basically just dalvik. and all that is is a compiled format which is an api-compatible-ish container similar to a java jar file
Ukto: that makes sense then
kuzetsa: dalvik is register based instead of stack based like java
kuzetsa: a few under the hood differences like that which make very little difference in how you code your apps
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052514 = 1.2315 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8397 @ 0.00052501 = 4.4085 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1376 @ 0.0005218 = 0.718 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1700 @ 0.00052161 = 0.8867 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 882 @ 0.00052149 = 0.46 BTC [-]
Ukto: I never wrote a native android app. I only used corona since it was Lua and fast to do what i needed
kuzetsa: technically, "native" is something different
kuzetsa: if you make android native apps, they natively call the android C libraries and whatnot
kuzetsa: ... I haven't had any major need to play with the native version of the android SDK either
Ukto: sounds like it would be a pain :P
kuzetsa: just say pgp since you're pgp signing
kuzetsa: Ukto: oh, it's not your fault
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11000 @ 0.00052253 = 5.7478 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17700 @ 0.00052149 = 9.2304 BTC [-]
Ukto: why do you want pgp over gpg btw?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.0005321 = 1.2478 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9855 @ 0.00053213 = 5.2441 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7928 @ 0.00053244 = 4.2212 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00053174 = 1.2469 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4421 @ 0.00053147 = 2.3496 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27927 @ 0.00052149 = 14.5637 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13734 @ 0.00052149 = 7.1621 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2566 @ 0.00052133 = 1.3377 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2134 @ 0.00052133 = 1.1125 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25366 @ 0.00052122 = 13.2213 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00053212 = 1.2478 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2870 @ 0.00053244 = 1.5281 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8100 @ 0.00052614 = 4.2617 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052154 = 1.223 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1534 @ 0.00052122 = 0.7996 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4721 @ 0.00052122 = 2.4607 BTC [-]
kakobreklaaa: preweeked breakout chances are getting slimmer
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 12.58502, Best ask: 12.58503, Bid-ask spread: 0.00001, Last trade: 12.58502, 24 hour volume: 26279.10705937, 24 hour low: 12.40000, 24 hour high: 12.65000, 24 hour vwap: 12.54155
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00053221 = 1.248 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 302 @ 0.00053244 = 0.1608 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2600 @ 0.00053286 = 1.3854 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6600 @ 0.00053389 = 3.5237 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15606 @ 0.00053406 = 8.3345 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052146 = 1.2228 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6555 @ 0.00052122 = 3.4166 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8224 @ 0.00052122 = 4.2865 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9650 @ 0.00052112 = 5.0288 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6750 @ 0.00052109 = 3.5174 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6759 @ 0.00052106 = 3.5218 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1500 @ 0.00333413 = 5.0012 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052376 = 1.2282 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24500 @ 0.00052381 = 12.8333 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3700 @ 0.00053361 = 1.9744 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11968 @ 0.00053406 = 6.3916 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7611 @ 0.00053435 = 4.0669 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3200 @ 0.00053095 = 1.699 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052107 = 1.2219 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6841 @ 0.00052106 = 3.5646 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9064 @ 0.00052066 = 4.7193 BTC [-]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 12.48002, Best ask: 12.48003, Bid-ask spread: 0.00001, Last trade: 12.48002, 24 hour volume: 27029.09883168, 24 hour low: 12.40000, 24 hour high: 12.65000, 24 hour vwap: 12.54454
kakobreklaaa: 19:36.23 ( kakobreklaaa ) sell before its too late!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7636 @ 0.00052066 = 3.9758 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8900 @ 0.00052056 = 4.633 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12600 @ 0.00052029 = 6.5557 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2014 @ 0.00052025 = 1.0478 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19100 @ 0.00052025 = 9.9368 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9236 @ 0.00052025 = 4.805 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5964 @ 0.00052007 = 3.1017 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052101 = 1.2218 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7355 @ 0.00052104 = 3.8322 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1300 @ 0.00333413 = 4.3344 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1050 @ 0.00335016 = 3.5177 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1550 @ 0.00336141 = 5.2102 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052021 = 1.2199 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17886 @ 0.00052007 = 9.302 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6820 @ 0.00052 = 3.5464 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6380 @ 0.00052 = 3.3176 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7820 @ 0.00051999 = 4.0663 BTC [-]
Namjies: Also, matching a graph with another graph is pretty pointless.
Namjies: Well if it's money flow... then it's only natural it match somewhat the price.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.0005209 = 1.2215 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12055 @ 0.00052104 = 6.2811 BTC [+]
Namjies: I'll say it so everyone knows: buy buy buy
jurov: i'll say, don't do anything.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052099 = 1.2217 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10134 @ 0.00052104 = 5.2802 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12621 @ 0.00052204 = 6.5887 BTC [+]
Namjies: If price go down... buy cheap bitcoins.
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 12.48748, Best ask: 12.61990, Bid-ask spread: 0.13242, Last trade: 12.48547, 24 hour volume: 26919.53857884, 24 hour low: 12.40200, 24 hour high: 12.65000, 24 hour vwap: 12.54654
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052012 = 1.2197 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2880 @ 0.00051999 = 1.4976 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11490 @ 0.00051977 = 5.9722 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052136 = 1.2226 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17555 @ 0.00052167 = 9.1579 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6445 @ 0.00051977 = 3.3499 BTC [-]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 12.55110, Best ask: 12.55111, Bid-ask spread: 0.00001, Last trade: 12.55110, 24 hour volume: 26371.56178368, 24 hour low: 12.40200, 24 hour high: 12.65000, 24 hour vwap: 12.54851
jurov: <jgarzik> [12:05:29] But in particular, it is the height of stupidity to encourage bitcoin use in (a) countries under sanction by the US and Europe
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052004 = 1.2195 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9605 @ 0.00052003 = 4.9949 BTC [-]
jurov: <jgarzik> [12:12:55] If you market bitcoin directly to people who are _already_ being targeted -- Taliban, Iran -- you put bitcoin right into the crosshairs
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P060T] 10 @ 0.00000001 BTC [-]
jurov: that whole log is good to read, to see where bitcoin foundation stands politically
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052027 = 1.22 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6455 @ 0.00052003 = 3.3568 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1500 @ 0.00336141 = 5.0421 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1700 @ 0.00337442 = 5.7365 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17913 @ 0.00052169 = 9.345 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10087 @ 0.00052204 = 5.2658 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052188 = 1.2238 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2825 @ 0.00052204 = 1.4748 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22330 @ 0.00052274 = 11.6728 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.0005226 = 1.2255 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6670 @ 0.00052274 = 3.4867 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2335 @ 0.00052393 = 1.2234 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052153 = 1.223 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5405 @ 0.00052142 = 2.8183 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052369 = 1.2281 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11405 @ 0.00052393 = 5.9754 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28835 @ 0.00052393 = 15.1075 BTC [+]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 12.58001, Best ask: 12.58002, Bid-ask spread: 0.00001, Last trade: 12.58001, 24 hour volume: 25079.22583532, 24 hour low: 12.42423, 24 hour high: 12.65000, 24 hour vwap: 12.55148
jurov: why? i sold C120Ts to mpex bot at ~0.7 and i'm still in black well enough
jurov: few days ago i still saw the bot trying to iunsuccessfully sell them
rdponticelli: mircea_popescu: So, if I leave my mpex account with zero btc the assets got locked, right? As in non tradable?
Namjies: I don't see the benefit of that...
Namjies: If someone has your private key to trade, they can as well deposit...
Namjies: What purpose does it serve?
rdponticelli: To unlock them afterwards I only have to deposit btc again?
Namjies: I think so. Or sign a message with private key?
Namjies: Anyway, you need the private key to trade and the private key to authorize the account back...
Ukto: anyone worked with mod_rewrites? fighting to get a RewriteCond to work
rdponticelli: I want the signed recipt of my F.GIGA.ETF holdings, locked
rdponticelli: But I would like to know if it would be a problem later to reactivate my account... << mircea_popescu?
Namjies: hmm, how many shares do you have?
Namjies: I always wondered who had all the other shares.
Namjies: So basically, make a signed request
Namjies: I have over half all of them I believe.
Namjies: Probably going to ask Gigavps for them. Probably won't do much tho.
Namjies: It would be practical if Mircea signed us a message about the amount held after trading is alted, before erasing data.
Namjies: But I recall he's not interested in doing any extra task at all in relation to anything due to GLBSE closing down.
rdponticelli: mircea_popescu: The etf will be delisted tomorrow? Or today when everything clears?
Namjies: Nah, not sure pooling claims is a good idea.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6325 @ 0.00052393 = 3.3139 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6325 @ 0.00052393 = 3.3139 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10309 @ 0.00052454 = 5.4075 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10309 @ 0.00052454 = 5.4075 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052156 = 1.2231 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12845 @ 0.00052142 = 6.6976 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14650 @ 0.0005202 = 7.6209 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12845 @ 0.00052142 = 6.6976 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9090 @ 0.00052003 = 4.7271 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14650 @ 0.0005202 = 7.6209 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3013 @ 0.00051977 = 1.5661 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9090 @ 0.00052003 = 4.7271 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10502 @ 0.00051933 = 5.454 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3013 @ 0.00051977 = 1.5661 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8157 @ 0.00051933 = 4.2362 BTC [-]
rdponticelli: mircea_popescu: And will we keep the proof on our accounts of our holdings or it will it be erased?
Namjies: All signed transaction records are kept however.
Namjies: But I don't think Mircea would fetch those for you.
Namjies: what? Love shack from a church? That 3rd link looks suspicious.
Ukto: alright.. so I did a sweet setup
Ukto: I set things for the API to be on a subdomain (so I can move it to its own server if things get hefty)
rdponticelli: But I don't agree with some of the points and I'm willing to try keep the link with giga...
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00051962 = 1.2185 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20455 @ 0.00051933 = 10.6229 BTC [-]
rdponticelli: mircea_popescu: I would need to deal with whoever had the shares for you, too. Could you send him my way?
rdponticelli: Well, I would like to chat with giga about that...
rdponticelli: mircea_popescu: Wouldn't you tell me who he is either?
jurov: didn't anyone notice a problem with s.mpoe?
jurov: there are 1e18 buy/sell orders
rdponticelli: mircea_popescu: No, whoever was holding the glbse shares for the etf
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7200 @ 0.00052043 = 3.7471 BTC [+]
jurov: whoever is buying/selling 18`446`744`073`709`529`088 of S.MPOE, raise your hand
smickles: that bot you're braggin' about
jurov: indeed i am testing modifications, but my stats are pretty normal
burnside: yo, MP, are the assbot posts here all of the MPEx trades? or just some portion of 'em?
smickles: anyone who wants to short s.bvps b/c rg is awol and they haven't put out a P&L statement in months, I have a little over 2k shares available to lend
jcpham: as long as the duct tape holds
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052453 = 1.23 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2355 @ 0.00052485 = 1.236 BTC [+]
jcpham: smickles do i need to call rg
smickles: jcpham: well, I can't get a word from him or grubles about the financial reports, or what rg meant about merging bitvps with his boss
jcpham: see i don't even know what that means
jcpham: i know grubles has been awol for some time now
smickles: i mean, he's been paying the dividend (a day late sometimes), but consistantly
smickles: but the reports just stop some months ago
burnside: things are pretty quiet then on the satoshidice
jcpham: last time i spoke to rg on the phone
smickles: so he's not exactly living up to all of what's in the contract
jcpham: he said grubles had been awol to him
Ukto: making a sweet api doc display..
Ukto: gonna check whos naughty or nice
jcpham: seems like you guys know more than me
jcpham: if it is an emergency i can call him
smickles: 22:36 < burnside> things are pretty quiet then on the satoshidice <<< are you kidding, have a look at blockchain's front page, most are SD txns scrolling by
Ukto: you talk to rg on the phone?
burnside: smickles, I meant with the share trading. =P
smickles: burnside: ah, ok. well, it's higher volume than typical for s.dice
jcpham: communications were established
jcpham: he knows where i work and my office number
smickles: jcpham: i dunno if it's an emergency, just not ideal
Ukto: liek everything else, my OCD ia cuasing me to go extreme on the api docs. :P
smickles: Ukto: api docs? just follow after nefario and make 99% of the api secret
burnside: I'm gonna have to get an MPEx acct I think
smickles: burnside: i've never regretted getting mine
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052455 = 1.2301 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13795 @ 0.00052485 = 7.2403 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 360 @ 0.00052523 = 0.1891 BTC [+]
burnside: what other good stuff is on there?
smickles: burnside: the best stuff is the options
burnside: yeah, nowhere else you can get that
Ukto: smickles: I already commentated on that
jurov: burnside, and bonds, but they are sold by email
jcpham: how about as long as my vps is online everything is fine
jcpham: if you get no response, bitvps is fubar
smickles: you don't need an account to do the mpbor things ("bonds")
smickles: burnside: it's just one bond, to fund mircea_popescu's option bot
smickles: burnside: also, note that it doesn't fit a 'letter for letter' definiton of an IRL bond
smickles: woah, when did blockchain switch their logo?
jurov: burnside, and they are not insured, after all :p
smickles: the 'oc' form a little bomb now
burnside: heh, I didn't mean buy insurance btw
burnside: I meant that an agreement with mpex would be good insurance
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17761 @ 0.00052523 = 9.3286 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: well... "insured", they have a clear revenue/loss model
Namjies: What guarantee do we have that the unkown proxy who held Gigamining shares for you won't claim them for himself alone? I think that's the biggest concern with the fact shares are dropped on your part.
gribble: 02:49 PM, November 30, 2012
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 12.58112, Best ask: 12.58115, Bid-ask spread: 0.00003, Last trade: 12.58112, 24 hour volume: 24654.39650294, 24 hour low: 12.42423, 24 hour high: 12.65000, 24 hour vwap: 12.55466
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052072 = 1.2211 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10363 @ 0.00052043 = 5.3932 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052504 = 1.2312 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1379 @ 0.00052523 = 0.7243 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20818 @ 0.00052937 = 11.0204 BTC [+]
Namjies: When I trust someone, my trust doesn't extend further to the people they trust.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 200 @ 0.00337442 = 0.6749 BTC [+]
smickles: heh burnside ^ there's you s.dice action
Azelphur: I've been sitting on S.Dice since the IPO
Azelphur: and never looked at my account
mircea_popescu: Namjies it's really an artefact rather than a legitimate concern. how do we know yahoo mail isn't claiming them for themselves for that matter.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052047 = 1.2205 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 116 @ 0.00052043 = 0.0604 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23539 @ 0.00051926 = 12.2229 BTC [-]
Azelphur: seems like I have 38.68 BTC in S.DICE shares, not bad
Azelphur: what was the IPO value of them?
burnside: if you have enough, it's not bad
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052925 = 1.2411 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26772 @ 0.00052937 = 14.1723 BTC [+]
Azelphur: yea I don't think the dividends are paying out amazing amounts, I only have 1.13 btc balance xD
burnside: I think once the ipo sells out they'll work their way up
Azelphur: lol ipo still not sold after all this time
burnside: no, I read they're in second tranche
Namjies: How can you claim such absurdities? The one holding the gigamining shares for you may very well have given his BTC address to GLBSE and then simply get an affidavit notified to that effect. If he doesn't consult a lawyer and just get it notified, it will only cost him a few dollars.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9460 @ 0.00052937 = 5.0078 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14934 @ 0.00053292 = 7.9586 BTC [+]
burnside: the total shares in the IPO is only 10% of the company shares
burnside: so the dividends get pretty dilluted before they get to you
Namjies: And for 1000 Gigamining shares, it's about 10 BTC or 120 USD per week that has been accumulated.
Namjies: That proxy could very well make a few easy BTC by claiming them.
burnside: still, I think it'd be a good add for my bitcoin portoflio
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052666 = 1.235 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10805 @ 0.00052648 = 5.6886 BTC [-]
Namjies: S.DICE pays about 1% per month.
Azelphur: I can't wait for GLBSE to pay out, gonna be awesome :D
Namjies: I already got paid, fortunatly.
burnside: It'll be nice to put it all behind us
burnside: yeah, no wonder you're so excited.
burnside: I've been really worried about what to do with my bond holders for LTC-MINING.
burnside: I hated having my ass hanging out waiting for Nef to get his act together.
smickles: Azelphur: well, no list from nefario here :|
burnside: and I only had a small fraction of the exposure giga does. :(
burnside: I'm sure I'll be one of the last to get the list, I was a pretty small fish
smickles: Azelphur: ya know, i cant get the linux version of tf2 to work with my video driver, i tried to upgrade, but the newer drivers don't seem to work
Azelphur: are you using radeon or proprietary
Azelphur: try using radeon, it actually worked on my laptop under radeon
smickles: the one that shipped with 12.04
Azelphur: 12.04 doesn't ship with proprietary
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00053258 = 1.2489 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8555 @ 0.00053292 = 4.5591 BTC [+]
smickles: that's the only option i have, maybe i did something weird
Azelphur: go into the hardware drivers dialog and uninstall all ati things
smickles: i may as well give it a shot :)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15100 @ 0.00053292 = 8.0471 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00053073 = 1.2446 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4400 @ 0.00053065 = 2.3349 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17650 @ 0.00052761 = 9.3123 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1695 @ 0.00052648 = 0.8924 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20087 @ 0.00052627 = 10.5712 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4101 @ 0.00053292 = 2.1855 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13900 @ 0.00053401 = 7.4227 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 612 @ 0.00053435 = 0.327 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00053405 = 1.2523 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27877 @ 0.00053435 = 14.8961 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12950 @ 0.00053455 = 6.9224 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4981 @ 0.00053495 = 2.6646 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15152 @ 0.00053498 = 8.106 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052182 = 1.2237 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5705 @ 0.0005215 = 2.9752 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052859 = 1.2395 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31105 @ 0.0005286 = 16.4421 BTC [+]
nanotube: kuzetsa: well, because my implementation uses gpg, the plugin's called gpg. :)
nanotube: kuzetsa: that said, you can use pgp whenever you need gpg, with gribble. i.e., pgp eauth works just as well as gpg eauth. :)
gribble: (gpg info [--key|--address] <nick>) -- Returns the registration details of registered user <nick>. If '--key' option is given, interpret <nick> as a GPG key ID.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052153 = 1.223 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3155 @ 0.0005215 = 1.6453 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052838 = 1.2391 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21495 @ 0.0005286 = 11.3623 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22037 @ 0.0005291 = 11.6598 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8123 @ 0.00053498 = 4.3456 BTC [+]
jurov: did anyone get any data in "exercises" part of mpex jsonstat reply?
jurov: i had some options to autoexercise but they were worthless, so they just vanished without trace
jurov: lol you live in CET nao
smickles: mircea_popescu: what was the final #?
jurov: i think he meant btcusd
jurov: so it's supposed to send nothing if exercises result was 0?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18397 @ 0.00052521 = 9.6623 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14103 @ 0.00053498 = 7.5448 BTC [+]
Lyspooner: most derivative exchanges charge a fee for exercise or non-exercise
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 100 @ 0.00338428 = 0.3384 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 4300 @ 0.00338447 = 14.5532 BTC [+]
jurov: i do charge 0.5% fee. mpex charges nothing iirc.
mircea_popescu: i might eventually, but for now... let the people enjoy.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052173 = 1.2235 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9050 @ 0.0005215 = 4.7196 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1600 @ 0.00338405 = 5.4145 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 3200 @ 0.00336802 = 10.7777 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2100 @ 0.00337956 = 7.0971 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 72 @ 0.00338447 = 0.2437 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1126 @ 0.00339999 = 3.8284 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5500 @ 0.0005267 = 2.8969 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052156 = 1.2231 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12590 @ 0.0005215 = 6.5657 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3142 @ 0.00051926 = 1.6315 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13100 @ 0.00051922 = 6.8018 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11568 @ 0.00051921 = 6.0062 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7259 @ 0.00051921 = 3.7689 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 382 @ 0.00051903 = 0.1983 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14200 @ 0.00051903 = 7.3702 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1700 @ 0.00051903 = 0.8824 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6563 @ 0.00051903 = 3.4064 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26900 @ 0.00051899 = 13.9608 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3416 @ 0.00051888 = 1.7725 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12834 @ 0.00051888 = 6.6593 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9066 @ 0.00051884 = 4.7038 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.0005206 = 1.2208 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7655 @ 0.00052078 = 3.9866 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052058 = 1.2208 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12005 @ 0.00052078 = 6.252 BTC [+]
jurov: i was thinking the dividend will be bigger, forgot that you have to pay interest on the bonds
jurov: haha actually my experiment to issue options funded by loan ended up similarly
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] [PAID] 1000000000 @ 0.00000043 = 433.9709646 BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00051887 = 1.2168 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2134 @ 0.00051884 = 1.1072 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4300 @ 0.00051881 = 2.2309 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13350 @ 0.0005188 = 6.926 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13100 @ 0.0005186 = 6.7937 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15250 @ 0.00051829 = 7.9039 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6900 @ 0.00051782 = 3.573 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1800 @ 0.00051755 = 0.9316 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34000 @ 0.00051753 = 17.596 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38400 @ 0.00051734 = 19.8659 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3499 @ 0.00051699 = 1.8089 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27826 @ 0.00051652 = 14.3727 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15500 @ 0.0005164 = 8.0042 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23150 @ 0.00051626 = 11.9514 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10900 @ 0.00051624 = 5.627 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10650 @ 0.00051594 = 5.4948 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45912 @ 0.00051567 = 23.6754 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13938 @ 0.00051553 = 7.1855 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25215 @ 0.00051553 = 12.9991 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31700 @ 0.00051552 = 16.342 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13950 @ 0.00051546 = 7.1907 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2200 @ 0.00051543 = 1.1339 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19300 @ 0.00051542 = 9.9476 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12042 @ 0.0005153 = 6.2052 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16550 @ 0.00051528 = 8.5279 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6750 @ 0.00051527 = 3.4781 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10800 @ 0.00051509 = 5.563 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27720 @ 0.00051486 = 14.2719 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14100 @ 0.00051448 = 7.2542 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19650 @ 0.00051427 = 10.1054 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28400 @ 0.00051425 = 14.6047 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30400 @ 0.00051416 = 15.6305 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7000 @ 0.00051408 = 3.5986 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19400 @ 0.00051401 = 9.9718 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23200 @ 0.00051401 = 11.925 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10200 @ 0.00051399 = 5.2427 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19800 @ 0.00051389 = 10.175 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7500 @ 0.00051369 = 3.8527 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15789 @ 0.00051365 = 8.11 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10995 @ 0.00051351 = 5.646 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26700 @ 0.00051349 = 13.7102 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22600 @ 0.00051333 = 11.6013 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27200 @ 0.00051317 = 13.9582 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7085 @ 0.00051307 = 3.6351 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12332 @ 0.00051297 = 6.3259 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26700 @ 0.00051294 = 13.6955 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19150 @ 0.00051288 = 9.8217 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2618 @ 0.00051287 = 1.3427 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15932 @ 0.00051287 = 8.171 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8700 @ 0.00051267 = 4.4602 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12163 @ 0.00051259 = 6.2346 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052077 = 1.2212 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9605 @ 0.00052078 = 5.0021 BTC [+]
smickles: so mircea_popescu, the mpoe bot would've made about 2kbtc if not for the cost of borrowing btc?
smickles: funny, it feels like the mpbor holders lost btc, somehow, b/c the charged too high of interest
smickles: but they only lost some principal, and received a 9.9% interest payment, right?
smickles: or do i need to reread the terms
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00051261 = 1.2021 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7937 @ 0.00051259 = 4.0684 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3173 @ 0.00051247 = 1.6261 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: they lost ~4.x% on principal and made 9.9% cash upfront
mircea_popescu: it worked sort of like a miner bond, this month, except they didn't lose 10% on capital and made 3% in dividends
mircea_popescu: of course not that many miner bonds that pay 2k btc a month either, so... yeah.
smickles: heh, so they are eating into their own principal a bit. that's a little humorous
mircea_popescu: you can deposit a bond and go climb the hymalaya, knowing that if mpoe starts to underperform you get your bond sent back little by little.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00051956 = 1.2184 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9581 @ 0.00051987 = 4.9809 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 719 @ 0.00051987 = 0.3738 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10381 @ 0.00052 = 5.3981 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00051399 = 1.2053 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26977 @ 0.00051399 = 13.8659 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9284 @ 0.00051385 = 4.7706 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8500 @ 0.00051797 = 4.4027 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00051418 = 1.2058 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6010 @ 0.00051385 = 3.0882 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3106 @ 0.00051385 = 1.596 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14450 @ 0.00051247 = 7.4052 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19972 @ 0.00051247 = 10.2351 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2139 @ 0.00051248 = 1.0962 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7861 @ 0.00051248 = 4.0286 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6605 @ 0.00051247 = 3.3849 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6209 @ 0.00051228 = 3.1807 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3575 @ 0.00051221 = 1.8312 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3300 @ 0.00051222 = 1.6903 BTC [+]
smickles: dammit mircea_popescu you know what this means?
smickles: remember when I said that I ought to put some btc towards the mpbor @ 25%?
smickles: I would've gotten it this month, no?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00051967 = 1.2186 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8778 @ 0.00052 = 4.5646 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31739 @ 0.00052078 = 16.529 BTC [+]
smickles: mircea_popescu: ok, so for next time: I need to remember to put in a bid and lay down the btc before the end of month turnover
smickles: i had forgotten about the grace period
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00051226 = 1.2012 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6700 @ 0.00051222 = 3.4319 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6005 @ 0.00051221 = 3.0758 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052076 = 1.2212 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9654 @ 0.00052078 = 5.0276 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9251 @ 0.00052282 = 4.8366 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052265 = 1.2256 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3264 @ 0.00052282 = 1.7065 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052393 = 1.2286 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10785 @ 0.0005236 = 5.647 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8070 @ 0.00052169 = 4.21 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 5882 @ 0.00339999 = 19.9987 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052605 = 1.2336 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12234 @ 0.00052615 = 6.4369 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8500 @ 0.00052879 = 4.4947 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4521 @ 0.00052908 = 2.392 BTC [+]
Ukto: took the eldest out to his fridya night thing
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052176 = 1.2235 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12279 @ 0.00052169 = 6.4058 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4600 @ 0.0005159 = 2.3731 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16476 @ 0.00051548 = 8.493 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00051555 = 1.209 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6855 @ 0.00051548 = 3.5336 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052795 = 1.238 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9700 @ 0.00052824 = 5.1239 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3855 @ 0.00052908 = 2.0396 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00051549 = 1.2088 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7819 @ 0.00051548 = 4.0305 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4000 @ 0.00051545 = 2.0618 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17436 @ 0.0005149 = 8.9778 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1500 @ 0.00336802 = 5.052 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2600 @ 0.00333051 = 8.6593 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4600 @ 0.00052822 = 2.4298 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2022 @ 0.00052767 = 1.0669 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052884 = 1.2401 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28074 @ 0.00052908 = 14.8534 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26100 @ 0.00052929 = 13.8145 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1093 @ 0.00052949 = 0.5787 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.0005279 = 1.2379 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5305 @ 0.00052767 = 2.7993 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6850 @ 0.00052873 = 3.6218 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3100 @ 0.0005289 = 1.6396 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13800 @ 0.00052859 = 7.2945 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18800 @ 0.00052859 = 9.9375 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5273 @ 0.00052767 = 2.7824 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5327 @ 0.00052317 = 2.7869 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052859 = 1.2395 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15429 @ 0.00052867 = 8.1568 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2226 @ 0.0005289 = 1.1773 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052321 = 1.2269 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18155 @ 0.00052317 = 9.4982 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052879 = 1.24 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13074 @ 0.0005289 = 6.9148 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 281 @ 0.00052949 = 0.1488 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052342 = 1.2274 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7918 @ 0.00052317 = 4.1425 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16900 @ 0.00052141 = 8.8118 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5000 @ 0.00051641 = 2.5821 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15750 @ 0.00051641 = 8.1335 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16185 @ 0.00051751 = 8.3759 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052291 = 1.2262 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2857 @ 0.00052308 = 1.4944 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12198 @ 0.00052928 = 6.4562 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052188 = 1.2238 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1855 @ 0.00052153 = 0.9674 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2272 @ 0.00052153 = 1.1849 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5778 @ 0.00052035 = 3.0066 BTC [-]