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Atomic-Closed: How does one get ahold of their asset issuer to avoid filing a suit?
Atomic-Closed: I mean I have been trying to contact the issuer of an asset listed on GLBSE for over a month and have been ignored
smickles: Atomic-Closed: what would you even sue for?
Atomic-Closed: I have the address of the mining operation and am ready to file suit for unpayed dividends
smickles: i mean, it's not like you can prove you were owed dividends, is it?
smickles: Is the situation different for bitbond?
smickles: 'cause the rest of us can't prove how many (if any) shares we had
BTC-Mining: I just don't see how you can pay anyone claiming to be owed anything without a proof. Claims will be much higher than what's owed.
Atomic-Closed: Considering that the dividends are to be payed on a set scheduled, and statements have been made to how they will be held until the GLBSE crap is over without the input of the shareholders
BTC-Mining: But the issuer don't even know who is or is not a shareholder. Taking input wouldn't even be feasible.
smickles: Atomic-Closed: well, you can sue, but I could also sue my cat
jurov: if you so want to sue, sue nefario. for undue delays
BTC-Mining: If you don't have a proof/document that anything is owed...
Atomic-Closed: Im considering posting hte address of the mining farm on the forum to atleaszt get a response from the op
smickles: non-communication of no new news?
Atomic-Closed: I have the logs of the presale and post sale conversations
jurov: they will say "we're waiting for nefario". what do you do then?
Buglouse: smickles: You're cat would win, according to you, you are its _owner_; slaves are not able to appropriate contrancts?
BTC-Mining: I can talk to Bitbond's issuer... had no problem with that.
Buglouse: smickles: err, you would be suing yourself
smickles: in all seriousness, all glbse assets should be considered lost untill nefario releases the data in provable way
BTC-Mining: He probably didn't answer on account of you demanding to be paid?
smickles: yeah, demanding to be paid at this point is unreasonable
Atomic-Closed: So should that mean that all anonymity is null and void too?
smickles: Atomic-Closed: what are you expecting here? the issue can't do anything because nefario fucked them
BTC-Mining: It means that with anonymity, with the exchange closing, who is owed what got lost.
smickles: and because nefario fucked the issuer, he fucked you too by proxy
smickles: Atomic-Closed: but without proof it would be wrong to pay you and not the others
Atomic-Closed: I was told my that investment was safe by the issuer
BTC-Mining: Imagine you're bitbond. There's people claiming to be owed X and you can't verify. You pay them. Then info is released and you realise many who claimed weren't owed anything at all to start with...
smickles: I know I own X shares of s2cm, but i can't pay even myself dividends
JWU_42: hmm - that is a bit different
smickles: Atomic-Closed: did you ever have the ability to sell them?
JWU_42: but doesn't mean you still hold them
BTC-Mining: aye, but were they transfered on GLBSE or held outside of GLBSE?
smickles: if you ever had the ability to sell them, and don't have proof that you didn't sell them, then you are in the same position
smickles: it's really tough to prove a negative statement
JWU_42: I am in that boat with YABMC - would love to shut it down but can't at this point
JWU_42: need Nef to step up and do what he said
Atomic-Closed: Im thinking that I just need to post the information then. ITs the lack of response here that is killing me
smickles: I know how many shares I had, I likely know how many shares Azelphur has, and I likely know the minimum # of shares imsaguy has. but I can't pay dividends to any of us b/c we have no proof
JWU_42: Atomic-Closed: you own bitbond ?
JWU_42: that is amazingrando, right ?
smickles: Atomic-Closed: I think you're likely just creating usless drama
JWU_42: what are you wanting him to do exactly ?
Atomic-Closed: He stated he had a plan if nef didnt do as promised
smickles: well, that op was in seatle, right?
smickles: "owes community over 20000 usd"
JWU_42: I was not aware shakaru had anything to do with their Washington facility
smickles: mircea_popescu: yeah, but he let shakaru set up the farm after he welched on a massive debt
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Atomic-Closed: I heard that his payement went to the repayment fund
mircea_popescu: i had no idea shakaru had anything to do with it either.
Atomic-Closed: And is all fairness, I am being a bit harsh, but if nef runs, are we all just SOL?
smickles: JWU_42: shakaru told me himself, and sent me pics of it while he was still saying he'd pay me ~600 btc that he owed (still owed) me
mircea_popescu: i am the fucking dean of age of btc finance. this is sad, i've barely been here a year.
mircea_popescu: anyway. so you had the investment pre-ipo and were allocated glbse shares after ipo ?
Atomic-Closed: It was pre the second ipo. Or when the shares were aded
Atomic-Closed: at this point its hard to even know with no access to glbse
mircea_popescu: i can see the guy's position. how can he know you didn't sell the shares on glbse
mircea_popescu: not much he can do. picked the wrong exchange, everyone's fucked.
thestringpuller: How do you know the writing contest won't be a political campaign
mod6: I read the post for sure - I think its a really interesting/worthwhile idea to get some well-thought out discussion on the matter.
mod6: I thought about writing something -- but I better just stick to getting BitOTTer finished
mod6: maybe i'll get a chance to write something though, we'll see. I just got this new lappy working - its /way/ faster for running the android emulator
mod6: 4 cores instead of 2 = zooooooom
mircea_popescu: should give the people who didn't learn math in school a chance too
mod6: you've had a bunch of good posts in english on trilema, so thx for that
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gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 11.08980, Best ask: 11.09000, Bid-ask spread: 0.00020, Last trade: 11.08980, 24 hour volume: 38835.80047192, 24 hour low: 10.76666, 24 hour high: 11.18000, 24 hour vwap: 10.99078
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jurov: mircea, is there any difference in exercising MKOPT and SPLIT-issued option for the issuer?
jurov: so both are allocated as appropriate part of total exercises?
mod6: how's coinbr going jurov?
jurov: welcome. seems you were on the wrong side of the split :P
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dub: the point of life is for the civilised world to ensure that the uncivilised never catch up?
dub: doesn't quite fit the 'free market' ideology
pigeons: "civilised" is a vague/loaded word
dub: its easy to infer my meaning though
dub: the countries that understand the need to recycle/manage waste
pigeons: there is no response to his statement
dub: he is ensuring that she cannot?
dub: by poisoning her and rendering her environment unproductive at best, probably uninhabitable by dick's standards
mircea_popescu: the assumption underlying your evaluation is that dick = jane
dub: what happens when jane dies and dick has to look after his own shit
mircea_popescu: this is false. dick is a pretty cool guy. jane is a worthless pos.
mircea_popescu: dick is giving her a crumb in exchange for her scratching his back.
dub: no, dick is giving her a poison chalice
mircea_popescu: if he doesn't want the risk of breaking a nail she can do w/o the crumb.
mircea_popescu: not everyone belongs in a palace. most people belong in the huts, so as to have palaces. for just a few.
smickles: what's this fun with dick and jane? /me scrolls log
dub: mircea_popescu: what happens when there are no more habitable huts
smickles: What are they burning plastic for?
dub: dick flies away in his magic rocket to another place and starts over?
dub: mircea_popescu: that is not a realistic end game
smickles: that's not how you recycle plastic, afaik
mircea_popescu: if you imagine that the entire population of africa croaking tomorrow would make any difference you're dreaming.
dub: smickles: thats what happens to most of your countries recylcling
smickles: if all of africal died, i'd say that's a pretty big market opportunity
smickles: who makes money by shipping all my plastic to ghana?
mircea_popescu: the problem really is these days, the rich/successful/smart don't flaunt it nearly enough
smickles: that sounds like a great racket to be in
mircea_popescu: the poor/stupid/failed get the idea that they're doing pretty ok
dub: some contractor to your govt
mircea_popescu: and it's just "bad luck". or even they;'re owed something.
mircea_popescu: smickles it's not even the case, most plastic gets buried.
dub: unless dick has already started on his escape plan (protip: he hasn't because he's spending all his money making war) then your end game fails
smickles: seems better to bury it than burn it to me
dub: they're burning it to extract metal
dub: mircea_popescu: the rocket of course
mircea_popescu: get out. when "there's" no more inhabitable huts some will be buldozed, asphalted over and re-hutted
dub: smickles: they've been sold the opportunity to extract metal and sell it
mircea_popescu: and some will be just repopulated with ex-hut dwellers beaten into submission to new hut environment.
dub: only the catch is they have to die and kill thier land in the process
mircea_popescu: and i suppose it's your fault they're being stupid dub ?
dub: I recycle my rubbish because it saves me money
dub: I know that its not really being recycled, not in a scalable manner
mircea_popescu: i recycle because, guess what, i use recyclabe materials.
dub: its killing children in ghana
mircea_popescu: i buy glass bottles. my total plastic consumption is something like a few kgs a year.
dub: no you recycle because you have been incentivized via your wallet
mircea_popescu: romania is a world apart. recycling was always high here
dub: (I presume there is differentiated charging for recycling and common waste disposal in romania)
mircea_popescu: ever since the commie times they had an efficient recycling system in place.
dub: kakobrekla: carrot/stick same deal
mircea_popescu: this is like, the 60s. way before the west found out about recycling.
dub: mircea_popescu: do you actually know where the recycling goes?
mircea_popescu: and in any event garbage costs are dismal, i pay 2.8 euros per month
mircea_popescu: dub glass to the glass factory. metal to the metal sorting/refurbishing centers. paper to teh paper factory. etc.
dub: the market provides you an incentive to spend time sorting trash
mircea_popescu: this is like saying the market provides me an incentive to chat with you. doth not, considering what i make it'd be hard pressed to.
dub: anyway, the market then takes your trash and money and the money the state gives it to quietly dispose of its shit, and shops it to the 3rd world
smickles: so dub who is this contractor you mentioned, and what part of the gov't actually gives them teh monies?
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dub: smickles: some company, and the same part of govt that collects tax
dub: well no, but you get the idea
mircea_popescu: and i seriously see no problem even if all the garbage was dumped on some failed country.
smickles: lol, you have no details? where did you even get this info?
dub: mircea_popescu: well thats not normal from my understanding
mircea_popescu: this is what you get for sucking '; you store everyone's garbage. fuck you.
dub: smickles: its entirely dependant on idunno what vfuckign country you are in?
pigeons: i dump all my garbage when i fly over romania
smickles: dub: so all of this is speculation?
dub: smickles: 'that guy didnt spoonfeed me the answers' is not a defence
smickles: i'm not forming a defence here, am I?
mircea_popescu: for there are dumbass africans who burn their plastics!!!
smickles: anyway, generally, when you make an assertion, you should be able to justify it
dub: the africans would not burn the waste if we did not give it to them for that purpose
mircea_popescu: let's give them some wells for the purpose of jumping in ?
dub: smickles: not really
dub: its teh case here, that means its likely the case in most of the world
pigeons: only if we can have round the clock news of the rescue attempts
smickles: the africans would not burn the waste if we did not give it to them for that purpose <<< define tenuous
mircea_popescu: next im going to hear an argument that slavery reparations should be enacted, to repay the young africans disposed of by the older africans.
dub: smickles: they wouldnt have the waste to burn if our corporations did not provide massive amounts of it to them
smickles: its teh case here, that means its likely the case in most of the world <<< hasty generalization
mircea_popescu: dub that's ridiculous. i have caustic stuff in my house, i don't pour it in my eyes
dub: generalisations are all there is
smickles: dude, ever taken a logic class?
dub: mircea_popescu: they've been sold recycling
dub: its all profit driven out of western markets
dub: why the fuck else would it happen?
dub: well they dont really want it
smickles: didn't the wester world go thru hundreds of years of shit to get where they are now?
mircea_popescu: this is sounding like the rape trial. "well... i didn't REALLY want it"
dub: take shell in nigeria
mircea_popescu: in fact, as recent as 100 years ago london was so covered in coal dust they had coal storms
dub: do the villages that get poisoned want to die?
dub: goodluck jonathan opened his arms
dub: sure, just need bigger guns
mircea_popescu: which brings us round circle : this is the fucking point of life. either get the bigger gun or get good at sucking cock.
dub: the tide of shit will flow
mircea_popescu: what doesn't scale is your expectation that every kid gets xmas
mircea_popescu: some kids die in the snow in front of my house. not all kids get xmas.
smickles: ya know, if you want to change the minds of smart people, you'll need to avoid logical fallacies
smickles: otherwise, they tend to have fun with you
dub: all this free market ideology is complete bullshit when the actions of a few prevent the many from even participating
mircea_popescu: smickles i think he just wants to unwind from the brainless zombie regurgitated crap he's bombarded with non stop in the "civilised" world.
dub: smickles: smart people know these things
dub: I'm not trying to educate
mircea_popescu: no. idiots who invest in pirate and masquerade as "smart" "know" these "things"
mircea_popescu: would you have preferred i said "buy nefario flowers" ?
dub: smickles: which logical fallacies btw
smickles: so, it looks ly my city's plastic is either recycled locally, or burried locally
dub: did you grasp that its not 'plastic' they are burning?
dub: its e-waste contaning metals they are extracting for resale
smickles: well, i haven't found details about how most tucson corpo's recycle their compies yet
dub: also if you are going to compartmentalise this into 'the waste I personally generate' well, lol @ the convince smart people stuff
mircea_popescu: <dub> all this free market ideology is complete bullshit when the actions of a few prevent the many from even participating << srsly, it's the stupidity of the many that prevents them from participating.
dub: well again, when you have corrupt authoritarian states forcing their people to do this..
smickles: ug, compartmentalize? you said it was some contractor from my gov't, i'm looking for that
mircea_popescu: corruption is something of the people by the people, it's not fallen from the sky.
dub: sure there is stupidity but its not like jane's son *click*bele mbwamba born with cancer from the lead in the water supply can do shit
dub: well im not sure but I think the free market idea is that he can improve his lot
smickles: ya know, it does involve a bit of luck,
mircea_popescu: and your problem is that you spurn his improving his shitty lot to shitty+1
smickles: imporvement over being a computer burner prolly doesn't look like much to us, but may look like a lot to them
mircea_popescu: it ain't how it works. takes generations of peopleworking dilligently.
mircea_popescu: it's how it works, going down is easier than going up.
dub: my view is purely selfish
dub: you need to manage the proles
dub: it costs more not to, in the long run
smickles: dub: what are you suggesting we do
mircea_popescu: heh so as usual the socialist are actually the racists.
mircea_popescu: dude, they have the right to manage themselves, let them.
smickles: well, I mean, mircea_popescu is probably in a better position to do something than I am
dub: be honest, put your rubbish in your local landfil and wear the environmental fallout yourself
mircea_popescu: dub that'd just destroy land values, i'd move to their country via gentrification and force them to move to mine
dub: instead of exporting your problem for profit
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smickles: I'm still not finding thes people who ship US compies to African countries to be melted down
dub: its not like they advertise this widely
mircea_popescu: smickles the reason you aren't is because there's no such thing. on the african side it's pretty much independent business.
mircea_popescu: as in, those unfortunate fucks are both more respectable and more human than the average us office drone
smickles: dub: there'd at least be indications of it from the gov't, b/c i doubt poor african countries pay enough to make it profitable on their own
smickles: a line item in a budget somewhere, associated with a statute
dub: where would there be indications?
dub: can you see the books of the waste contractors?
mircea_popescu: he's gonna find the gold my grand-grandfather hid when the turks invaded
smickles: maybe it's a tax writeoff for donating the computers
smickles: resale and donation would stop it from being classified as hazardous
dub: probalby, some carbon credits to boot
dub: it does like this, you pay Super Envirocorp Green Recycling LLC, your govt apys them, africa pays them, and they probably don't pay tax, perfect
smickles: ok, shipping computers to other countries for disposal or donation is illegal as of 1 year after those pics were taken
dub: apparently someone grew a concience
dub: how socialist of them
smickles: :( makes this last hour seem so pointless and wasteful
dub: really? I've been built a few $100k of internets while chatting
smickles: oh, sorry, you didn't spoon feed me the info, so I had to actually work at finding it
dub: free market bro, gotta do the work
smickles: i just hope my daughter survived the neglect
mircea_popescu: smickles if you find her burning computer parts you know who to send the med bills to nao.
smickles: naw, just kidding, her mom was taking her for a walk
dub: about 40Gbps of access network, in a farming town
dub: by providing faster porn to the farmer, less animals will be abused
mircea_popescu: you're taking advantage of their backwards farmish nature
dub: in my locality anyway, that animal porn will be made offshore
mircea_popescu: to deploy your internets in less congested and thuys cheaper area
mircea_popescu: grow a conscience! no more computer donations to africans and no more internets to farming towns!
dub: they demand faster porn, the market provides
smickles: mircea_popescu: the market demands an MPEx api call ('PROFIT|X', where X is a positive integer in satoshi) which gives me btc
dub: I recycled two keyboards this week :(
smickles: I still have those old IBM clicky keyboards
dub: yeah, colleague near me insists on using one, annoying as hell
dub: DEPR NEED TO HEAR MY CLICKS
dub: IM A SRS ENGINEER, JUST LISTEN!
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mircea_popescu: smickles m'boy you've got the perfect reddit submission. everyone likes it.
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mircea_popescu: Certified computer forensic examiner out of Austin, Texas, lawyer Craig Ball, says that authorities can use the serial numbers off of two flash drives, said to contain the tax returns, left at a political office in Williamson County. Each computer keeps a record of all external devices plugged into them. Considering how easy a task this is, one suspects that the authorities would have already completed it, either impl
mircea_popescu: this is such bs. who told them what "all computers" do ffs
dub: Certified (A+, MCSE) computer exphurts
dub: especially lulzy are security certs
coingenuity: mircea_popescu: knightmb having a case built against him?
mircea_popescu: coingenuity so they say. particularly uninformed article
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smickles: poked above the 30 day sma again
Diablo-D3: wow, I missed DiabloMiner's birthday
Diablo-D3: Date: Sat Nov 6 11:16:17 2010 -0400
dub: the oldest turd that hasnt turned white
mircea_popescu: so how long before pretty much everyone who issed glbse shares says fuck it and moves on ?
Diablo-D3: which like a decade in bitcoin time
dub: is the send nefario flowers thing happening?
mircea_popescu: dub i hope it isn't for the reason that the idiots who'd do it lost all their money to scammers already and are facing deportation
dub: gotta be creepy getting flowers from a bunch of people that basically want your scalp
dub: its saying 'you can't hide motherfucker'
mircea_popescu: they don't know what the fuck they want, but it'd be something like someone telling them they're ok.
mircea_popescu: which is why the pr chick is getting on so many nerves, imho.
smickles: heh, "so how long until i can just start using this btc as my own" (from the issuer's perspective), is that what you're asking mircea_popescu ?
mircea_popescu: smickles well, not rly, seeing how the point of issuing was to get btc to use as their own
mircea_popescu: i was asking more along the lines of, "when will everyone be forced to put glbse shares as 0 in their books"
mircea_popescu: obviously prudence requires them do that already, but experience shows btc noobies absolutely never do it.
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smickles: it's to the point where they actually have to acknowlage it and respond to it
smickles: Of course, when the marijuana one got there, the answer was so full of lies it boggled the mind
smickles: so I expect the answer will be "no, it's illegal"
smickles: followed by "there is no historical precident"
mod6: yeah, texas was its own country for a period
smickles: and "no country has ever formed by declaring independance"
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mircea_popescu: if i had offered .1 btc for some stupidshit like a signature it would be FULL
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: what exactly is it that you want written, however?
mircea_popescu: well, you kinda have to read the article. but it's a 4-6k words fiction piece
Diablo-D3: but you sort of go off on a tangent
mircea_popescu: either find one more, or else write out one of the three
Diablo-D3: how about I write a story about how the rothchilds have a pgp contract with lucifer the morningstar, their god, and thus end the world
mircea_popescu: nobody's getting assasinated cause of something they wrote on the interwebs
Diablo-D3: but its true about them and lucifer :<
jurov: diablo, in that case, you don't have to fear anything when you get asassinated for revealing such truth
jurov: for this deed shall surely wawrd you place in God's Kingdom
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jurov: you will, sooner or later
Diablo-D3: well, sometimes. I did it a few times during WW2, some of them wern't so bad.
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: I think I have a better idea, though
mircea_popescu: right, because bitcoin people are this mix of 1% people who have not the time to fuck their gfs and 99% people who never had a gf
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: you've never read a book while getting a blowjob?
mircea_popescu: bah i wish cpanel would STOP CHANGING THE LOOKS OF THE WEB INTERFACE
mircea_popescu: In 59 Philadelphia voting divisions, Mitt Romney got zero votes.
mircea_popescu: Detroit has more registered voters than residents over 18, Census finds
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: CLEARLY THIS IS THE WORK OF OBAMA
Diablo-D3: my faux republican rage wore out quite some time ago
Diablo-D3: there are no first world countries left
mircea_popescu: i mean, for all of the 20th century they've kept pretending and we've kept pretending like they're part of civilisation
mircea_popescu: but, really... never was the case. becomes more and more obvious.
Diablo-D3: one that preserves the rights of life, liberty, and PUSSY!
EskimoBob: mircea_popescu: did you (or she) set up the thread in the forums about what people think about your PR?
mircea_popescu: ohio had a county where there was a 103% voter turnout
mircea_popescu: you know... this happened in a hamlet in romania last elections
mircea_popescu: those people are now spending their time between the da and the court.
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EskimoBob: SupaDupa: wtf are you spamming? Get a life, you fkn asshole, or just hang yourself '
jurov: to know what ppl think about MPOE-PR
EskimoBob: Guest66360 is the same scumbag SupaDupa:
jurov: eskimo, you really think they will ever start such thread? why?
EskimoBob: we really need a OP here to kick idiots like supasupa for good
Maxxxx: you are definately suckin both my balls
Maxxxx: but maybe if you slow down I can pull one outta your mouf
AreFun: since Obama is president shouldn't it be called The Half-White House?
AreFun: considering he's half black...
EskimoBob: take a look at the petition site, it's really funny
Diablo-D3: the jokes will never be funny, really
Diablo-D3: its called the white house because of the color on the outside, not the colored on the inside
AreFun: are you saying Obama is black on the inside
AreFun: last time I checked your skin colour was on the fuckin outside Diablo-D3
AreFun: considering your fuckin skin colour is only visible on the outside since it's fuckin skin
mircea_popescu: this dude wants to fix bitcoin : there should be pairs of bitcoins "going in countercurrent"
AreFun: I know there's a ton of grape drink in The White House now
mircea_popescu: is this the guy who used to spam goatse re some bitcoin ransom or something like that ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10800 @ 0.00050658 = 5.4711 BTC [+]
EskimoBob: this was probably supadupa, known lunatic from ltc and btc channel
Diablo-D3: that asshole has been causing problems lately again
EskimoBob: yes. sending huge pkg as CTCP ping
Diablo-D3: yeah, what did he think that was going to do?
EskimoBob: if you have a crappy line, it will drop your connection or something like that
Diablo-D3: I have a crappy line, it does nothing.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21793 @ 0.00050221 = 10.9447 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11150 @ 0.00050217 = 5.5992 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10357 @ 0.00050215 = 5.2008 BTC [-]
Chaaang-Noi: <mircea_popescu> did you copy the ltc one? :)
EskimoBob: Chaang-Noi: usagi was here yesterday but took off shortly.
EskimoBob: Looks like he is also following me around the fkn forum like a pervert :)
Chaaang-Noi: i hope it gets done, ill chip in a btc to whoever does it
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11650 @ 0.00050658 = 5.9017 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21250 @ 0.00050866 = 10.809 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4543 @ 0.00050215 = 2.2813 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13721 @ 0.00050198 = 6.8877 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13436 @ 0.00050175 = 6.7415 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17828 @ 0.00050175 = 8.9452 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11100 @ 0.00050164 = 5.5682 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 572 @ 0.0005016 = 0.2869 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7078 @ 0.0005016 = 3.5503 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12052 @ 0.00050128 = 6.0414 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3770 @ 0.0005012 = 1.8895 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42600 @ 0.0005012 = 21.3511 BTC [-]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 10.95001, Best ask: 10.99998, Bid-ask spread: 0.04997, Last trade: 10.99999, 24 hour volume: 20598.93273169, 24 hour low: 10.92150, 24 hour high: 11.18000, 24 hour vwap: 11.03907
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9692 @ 0.0005012 = 4.8576 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 358 @ 0.0005011 = 0.1794 BTC [-]
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: I feel like option prices are correlated to the bots opinion on which way the price will swing.
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 10.97471, Best ask: 10.98990, Bid-ask spread: 0.01519, Last trade: 10.98990, 24 hour volume: 17626.08933055, 24 hour low: 10.92150, 24 hour high: 11.16998, 24 hour vwap: 11.03109
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9819 @ 0.0005011 = 4.9203 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37231 @ 0.0005009 = 18.649 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: so what's the story with the bfl/other asics ? late october came and went, early november came and by now went
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15019 @ 0.0005009 = 7.523 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17400 @ 0.00050085 = 8.7148 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 831 @ 0.00050066 = 0.416 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: "You never donated for the welfare of this forum. Your username is present in various ignore lists. You have no respect for Theymos neither you share any preferences with him."
mircea_popescu: i do have various bets bound to make me a lot of monyz if there's no asics this year, so
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34600 @ 0.00050066 = 17.3228 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4269 @ 0.00050066 = 2.1373 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8516 @ 0.00050006 = 4.2585 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31350 @ 0.00050115 = 15.7111 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19850 @ 0.00050121 = 9.949 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31700 @ 0.00050006 = 15.8519 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: so theymos has not read the thread but has an opinion.
mircea_popescu: i must have missed something here. some college student. ok, so ?
kuzetsa: mircea_popescu: just... like...
kuzetsa: why did you consider glbse to be shady or poorly run or whatever compared to yours?
kuzetsa: other than just being a competing service (which is a major reason I blindly ignored your criticism when I was actively getting myself screwed a few months ago on GLBSE)
mircea_popescu: but to try and sum up months of history : i considered it poorly run right off the bat for technical reasons.
mircea_popescu: these involve deep issues of security from a philosophical perspective, but also simple things like, they were using google analytics on the pages ;/
kuzetsa: ah lol yeah. I always try to make sure my session cookies end up invalid whenever I got AFK by manually logging out :)
mircea_popescu: and i considered it shady because of the behaviour re scammers. the exact sort of thing theymos is doing.
mircea_popescu: nefario supported peter lambert, theymos is supporting patrick harnett, it's all the same "buddy-buddy" bullshit.
mircea_popescu: this is not how people who have any business experience or any understanding of the world or intellectual maturity behave,.
mircea_popescu: but by now i could probably write a book as to all the many countless things that were wrong with it.
kuzetsa: thanks mircea_popescu, that list was pretty exhaustive. better managed & more secure with a solid exit strategy :(
mircea_popescu: and the funny thing is, people jumped all over mpex back in july cause "o, what happens if mpex goes away"
mircea_popescu: and the pr girl said AT THE TIME "now go ask glbse the same thing"
kuzetsa: yeah. assuming that genuine concern is trolling has become too common.
mircea_popescu: easy cop out too. someone says something we don't understand ? THEYRE TROLLING
mircea_popescu: you couldn't have missed that guy's stuff, it was all over the forum at some point.
kuzetsa: out of all the bitcointalk threads, and the freenode #bitcoin-xxx? discissions I've participated, the name usagi doesn't really stand out.
kuzetsa: vaguely perhaps... I dunno.
kuzetsa: my skills of observation / attention span & short term memory are kinda limited. chronic symptoms from acquired brain injury I got a few years ago due to hurricane katrina (2005)
kuzetsa: and now I live in NY, wheee! yay for sandy lolo
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6184 @ 0.00050006 = 3.0924 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16000 @ 0.00049923 = 7.9877 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27110 @ 0.00049913 = 13.5314 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4309 @ 0.00049865 = 2.1487 BTC [-]
gribble: Current Blocks: 200134 | Current Difficulty: 2864140.507811 | Next Difficulty At Block: 201599 | Next Difficulty In: 1465 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 3 days, 9 hours, 51 minutes, and 50 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 3196800.71455154 | Estimated Percent Change: 11.6146608671
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14621 @ 0.00049865 = 7.2908 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8050 @ 0.00049862 = 4.0139 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24529 @ 0.00049851 = 12.228 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 76000 @ 0.00325 = 247 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 119628 @ 0.00325 = 388.791 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 42700 @ 0.00325 = 138.775 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40539 @ 0.00049922 = 20.2379 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11379 @ 0.00050121 = 5.7033 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15521 @ 0.00049851 = 7.7374 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10274 @ 0.00049844 = 5.121 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6705 @ 0.00049796 = 3.3388 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 9260 @ 0.00325 = 30.095 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 32412 @ 0.00325 = 105.339 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16852 @ 0.00049796 = 8.3916 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15944 @ 0.00049792 = 7.9388 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10098 @ 0.00049791 = 5.0279 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3806 @ 0.00049761 = 1.8939 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18760 @ 0.00049761 = 9.3352 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 90 @ 0.00049756 = 0.0448 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 9260 @ 0.00325 = 30.095 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 740 @ 0.00339942 = 2.5156 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10860 @ 0.00049756 = 5.4035 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2710 @ 0.0004975 = 1.3482 BTC [-]
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34450 @ 0.0004975 = 17.1389 BTC [-]