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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16150 @ 0.00048259 = 7.7938 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25794 @ 0.00048223 = 12.4386 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11055 @ 0.00048223 = 5.3311 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14895 @ 0.00048223 = 7.1828 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18575 @ 0.00048197 = 8.9526 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2325 @ 0.00048197 = 1.1206 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44818 @ 0.00048197 = 21.6009 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9857 @ 0.00048197 = 4.7508 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29743 @ 0.00048189 = 14.3329 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2757 @ 0.00048189 = 1.3286 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28350 @ 0.00048188 = 13.6613 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9493 @ 0.00048165 = 4.5723 BTC [-]
mod6: this core2duo is a pile of shit
mod6: the android emulator grinds it down slooooooow
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15850 @ 0.00048165 = 7.6342 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26257 @ 0.00048165 = 12.6467 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2843 @ 0.00048155 = 1.369 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29762 @ 0.00048155 = 14.3319 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8400 @ 0.00048151 = 4.0447 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7638 @ 0.00048142 = 3.6771 BTC [-]
smickles: mircea_popescu: is that why i could never find your reddit user?
mircea_popescu: Chaang-Noi well there's two mods, and i was chatting with the other one.
mircea_popescu: it's a really sad thing to try tho, because all it gets you is a painful defeat dragged out over time.
Chaang-Noi: he must really do nothing other than mod then...
mircea_popescu: it would be funny if i got banned on twitter tho, seeing how i literally never post
smickles: yeah, some random api violation
smickles: "you posted the letter x to often via this method"
mircea_popescu: o btw, smickles didja see all about me getting hacked again ?
smickles: I saw something about a guy claiming you had 0days and wanted to jabber you
smickles: raoul_duke, lurks in -otc iirc
smickles: (if they're using the same name)
gribble: I have not seen raoul_duke.
smickles: maybe i have the spelling incorrect
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15962 @ 0.00048142 = 7.6844 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20738 @ 0.00048129 = 9.981 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14380 @ 0.00048026 = 6.9061 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15450 @ 0.00048016 = 7.4185 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7477 @ 0.0004801 = 3.5897 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22300 @ 0.0004801 = 10.7062 BTC [-]
rg: all bitvps share holders: funds being deposited to MPEX right now!
rg: i shouldve just done i tdirectly tom pex
rg: mircea; i viewed your hacker chronicles lastn ight
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14950 @ 0.0004801 = 7.1775 BTC [-]
rg: im so sick of scammers in -otc
rg: i wanted to be opped for so long
EskimoBob: what about those, who still hold that shit via GLBSE?
mircea_popescu: they're the people who couldn't find anything better to do.
rg: theres like 20 ops on the access list
MrTiggr: rg - ur not alone bro and you are doing a bang-up job
MrTiggr: also we have some power-bots on the way
rg: i dont think the solution is bots
MrTiggr: i know its no tthe solution
rg: mircea_popescu: i ban people who get scammed
MrTiggr: im just doing the best i can like rg^^
MrTiggr: i dont actually mind that mentality
MrTiggr: im also working on a secure IRC server of our own
rg: i think we're going +i again
rg: last night i told nano
rg: oh i dont deal with politics like that
MrTiggr: that it will only push nicksquatch into PM mode
rg: im like the black ops op
rg: at least with the auth list we will make the pool of possible scammers more shallow
rg: instead of 500 people not logged in
rg: there will be 100-200
rg: all logged into gribble
rg: 100-200 is easier to sort through than 500
MrTiggr: bro, you realise if you make the channel +m (shich you can) then gribble will enforce !voiceme
rg: and its also easier to see peoples patterns
rg: i dont do anything without authorization
rg: or at least a majortiy vote
rg: between people i deemed important
rg: i dont care what puke-jr thinks
MrTiggr: jr is my pet name for SomeoneWeird
MrTiggr: rg gets a crucifix burn on his back
MrTiggr: do a vote in channel if you like
MrTiggr: i can even enable the !Poll module in one of my bots for you
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13073 @ 0.0004801 = 6.2763 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12027 @ 0.00048008 = 5.7739 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24900 @ 0.00048008 = 11.954 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10099 @ 0.00048045 = 4.8521 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21201 @ 0.00048095 = 10.1966 BTC [+]
rg: i thought of some good ideas for pympex
kakobrekla: >This is nothing other than natural morals, you don't see a wolf trying to swallow a whale. You don't see a hawk trying to carry away a moose. You sometimes see snakes trying to swallow things they can't, but that's rare and it works as proof that snakes aren't really all that smart.
kakobrekla: well it could be consensed to 'you are stupid'
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3773 @ 0.00048008 = 1.8113 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6500 @ 0.00048004 = 3.1203 BTC [-]
rg: mircea_popescu: mpex is 6 confirms right
rg: is there really an advantage to using more than 2 confirms
rg: i doubt sdice would be as popular if it waited for confirms
rg: when do we get interest back on mpex deposits
rg: mac and cheese for breakfast
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12400 @ 0.0004798 = 5.9495 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6000 @ 0.00047953 = 2.8772 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14700 @ 0.00047949 = 7.0485 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: any double spend attacks on sdice yet?
rg: arent double spends hard to do
mircea_popescu: moreover, the people with the tech and mining power that'd allow it are not the sort do try such thngs
kakobrekla: maybe i should allow 0 conf as well for limited amounts
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BVPS] [PAID] 500000 @ 0.000116 = 58 BTC
rg: mircea why are the mpex options in different measurements
rg: like withdraw is satoshi
rg: ok mircea i ordered a withdrawl
rg: it SHOULD be for 30 btc
rg: but if its for 300 btc
rg: i gotta shower real quick
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28867 @ 0.00047949 = 13.8414 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: omfg i can't believe what a troll that joelkatz dood is.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4583 @ 0.00047949 = 2.1975 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22802 @ 0.00047948 = 10.9331 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: basically he's arguing that patrickharnett shouldn't get a scammer tag in spite of stealing 5-600 btc from me
kakobrekla: i shall borrow 1k btc from katz instead of 100 by mistake
mircea_popescu: people fuck them in the ass, they're all "o let's give them al ittle time"
mircea_popescu: god forbid someone makes something actually useful : they won't comprehend it and then it's all OMG CP!!!1
mircea_popescu: btctalk was created by a government conspiracy to save on public spending. the idiots go there and post thus not being in the street causing damage.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12148 @ 0.00047948 = 5.8247 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9252 @ 0.00047941 = 4.4355 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: 10k, is that the minimum to open an online brokerage acct ?
mircea_popescu: i wonder how many people try to use bitcoin to get around those rules put there exactly so as to protect them from themselves.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26239 @ 0.00047941 = 12.5792 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 326 @ 0.0004792 = 0.1562 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21600 @ 0.00047988 = 10.3654 BTC [+]
Azelphur: rg: if you have good ideas, commits welcome it's up on github
rg: ill tell you the ideas
rg: and take credit for it
Azelphur: rg: but that involves me doing things
Azelphur: and my doing things queue is long, and on hold until I get moved out
Azelphur: mircea_popescu: havn't got my current one sorted yet, it's only been a few weeks
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12627 @ 0.00047988 = 6.0594 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16749 @ 0.00048095 = 8.0554 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8824 @ 0.00048127 = 4.2467 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 31933 @ 0.00003301 = 1.0541 BTC [-]
Chaang-Noi: he is off the wall on all sorts of things
Chaang-Noi: sometimes he makes rally good points, your case with patrick however makes him look like he is trolling
pigeons: he said i can cover, i can pay, then he didn't
pigeons: pirate isn't a scammer cause he thought zeek would pay
pigeons: don't post more than 5 of those a week
mod6: DTCC had a vault aptly located on Water Street, in Manhattan.
pigeons: let me pay with bitcoins instead of this email thing
mircea_popescu: pigeons you only email to get a btc addy anyway! pm me, i'll sort it out privately
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11600 @ 0.00048127 = 5.5827 BTC [+]
rdponticelli: mircea_popescu: I swear I don't have your cherries
rdponticelli: But for a nice fee, I can found that god damn truck here in Argentina
smickles: mircea_popescu: you think _anything_ (of value) will actually be lost if there is damage in that vault?
smickles: wouldn't they have records of their inventory
smickles: and contracts which would require the physical thing to be remade in the event of damage
smickles: (i mean, we're talking about paper, right?)
mircea_popescu: there exist bearer instruments which are irreplaceable.
mircea_popescu: so, depending on how many of those are reissuable or not, it will be a huge litigation mess to sort out.
smickles: well, if things are really irreplaceable, i understand.
rdponticelli: Yeah, we should all go back to bartering things
mircea_popescu: but here's the thing : this is really somewhat like glbse implosion
smickles: damn, it's so tempting to just go fuckit, you can have your [insert asset here] when you have proof its yours
rdponticelli: Maybe the whole Hurricane thing was crowdfunded by some evil issuers...
jurov: u have it all wrong. it was caused by gay marriages
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2000 @ 0.00047921 = 0.9584 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14900 @ 0.0004792 = 7.1401 BTC [-]
jurov: why do you think so?
smickles: heh, joking based off of your gay comment
jurov: okay. i'm interested now whether more people believe sandy was caused by haarp or so, or that it was caused by moral depravity
jurov: i'm inclined to the latter
jurov: it was caused by mircea's porn
Diablo-D3: what, his fapping heated the upper atmosphere?
jurov: more like the screams of those haunted girls reached the ear of Almighty
dub: sandy was caused by al gore
Diablo-D3: so, anyone have any indication on how florida and new hampshire is going?
jurov: although, there's strong gender bias... no /y/ there?
jurov: or, even better, bara. but that got kicked out even from 4chan :P
jurov: google "bara anime"
Diablo-D3: wait, did mircea_popescu just call lesbians bad?
mircea_popescu: Diablo-D3 faggotry is the unholy act of butthole buggery
jurov: ftfy: holiest act of butthole buggery
mircea_popescu: Diablo-D3 don't be calling me religious just cause you can't stand the shining light of truth
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: I can call you religious for claiming what other people do is unholy
Diablo-D3: seriously, all I want is a woman who can cook and clean
jurov: Diablo-D3, then it needs not to be a woman necessarily
Diablo-D3: Ive seen what are claimed "good looking guys"
Diablo-D3: and japan tried solving it with bishounen guys
Diablo-D3: and all they're doing is producing women with dicks and no tits
jurov: you're hetero, so you're biased
Diablo-D3: even if I was gay, I'd still like tits
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24013 @ 0.00048127 = 11.5567 BTC [+]
Diablo-D3: Im going to have to say neither here, I think the tits are implants
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17587 @ 0.00048224 = 8.4812 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: and what's the problem with implants ? well done they're better than the real thing.
jurov: C) You become a Goat and you can Live for the next 10 years in the Goat tower HAHAHAHA
jurov: Chaang-noi, you around?
Diablo-D3: they've been around long enough to figure out exactly what they want and know how to get it out of you
kuzetsa: Diablo-D3: why would you think the trans woman's breasts are implants?
mircea_popescu: so he feels the urge to lash out and diminish the woman
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: and no, it doesnt make me insecure
Diablo-D3: I mean, I dont get why the fuck _an image on the internet_ would make anyone insecure
Diablo-D3: yeah, so? if it turns you on, save it to your porn dir
kuzetsa: even though I'm not "a straight male", and my boyfriend is a trans guy, I'd almost certainly prefer "B" -- she's pretty hot as far as trans women go.
mircea_popescu: it seems joel is learning the perils of trying to outargue mpoe-pr
kuzetsa: mircea_popescu: for a sec I though that was buck angel. had to check the tattoos for comparison.
mircea_popescu: "No you probably won't ever see any asset information. In fact the whole thing was probably a setup with one of the major asset holders on glbse so they would never have to pay back their investors"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9674 @ 0.0004792 = 4.6358 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37687 @ 0.00047918 = 18.0589 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21189 @ 0.00047874 = 10.144 BTC [-]
pigeons: yes i was going to slightly modify and spread that rumor, its a good one
jurov: omg kuzetsa, BUTCH angel
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7913 @ 0.00048224 = 3.816 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29450 @ 0.00048277 = 14.2176 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8900 @ 0.00048282 = 4.2971 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15141 @ 0.00048406 = 7.3292 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20150 @ 0.00048425 = 9.7576 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41200 @ 0.00048436 = 19.9556 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16300 @ 0.00048466 = 7.9 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27963 @ 0.00048547 = 13.5752 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56400 @ 0.00048556 = 27.3856 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21800 @ 0.00048625 = 10.6003 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49261 @ 0.00048793 = 24.0359 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38150 @ 0.00048817 = 18.6237 BTC [+]
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38100 @ 0.00048994 = 18.6667 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28971 @ 0.00049012 = 14.1993 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45000 @ 0.00049015 = 22.0568 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29200 @ 0.00049024 = 14.315 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31400 @ 0.00049048 = 15.4011 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27438 @ 0.00049077 = 13.4657 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36300 @ 0.00049156 = 17.8436 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42700 @ 0.00049203 = 21.0097 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23300 @ 0.00049211 = 11.4662 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51558 @ 0.0004922 = 25.3768 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44191 @ 0.00049337 = 21.8025 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23600 @ 0.00049406 = 11.6598 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33000 @ 0.00049418 = 16.3079 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35000 @ 0.00049439 = 17.3037 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32150 @ 0.00049553 = 15.9313 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41354 @ 0.00049557 = 20.4938 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8678 @ 0.00049557 = 4.3006 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36807 @ 0.00049558 = 18.2408 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20400 @ 0.00049615 = 10.1215 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5919 @ 0.00049635 = 2.9379 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2804 @ 0.00049662 = 1.3925 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34366 @ 0.00049677 = 17.072 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18800 @ 0.00049685 = 9.3408 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55000 @ 0.0004971 = 27.3405 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21000 @ 0.00049715 = 10.4402 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29300 @ 0.00049719 = 14.5677 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45300 @ 0.00049727 = 22.5263 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42100 @ 0.00049745 = 20.9426 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47464 @ 0.00049794 = 23.6342 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32400 @ 0.00049796 = 16.1339 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8700 @ 0.00049813 = 4.3337 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7800 @ 0.00049816 = 3.8856 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17661 @ 0.00049876 = 8.8086 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21671 @ 0.00049891 = 10.8119 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43977 @ 0.00049975 = 21.9775 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 73313 @ 0.0005 = 36.6565 BTC [+]
pigeons: yeah don't dare go past 0005
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25400 @ 0.00049869 = 12.6667 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27860 @ 0.00049869 = 13.8935 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BVPS] 280 @ 0.0032 = 0.896 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: This looks very cool Ryan - congrats on the launch! It's instantly appealing to me, and I fully understand the motivation. NameCheap, while an awesome domain name provider, still feels a bit "hackey" in their UI. It works, but it feels odd. This appeals to me more -- like Stripe for domain names.
mircea_popescu: you have to be retarded to start competition for namecheap. srsly now.
mircea_popescu: I'm going to be perfectly honest with you: The fact that you list that you're a one-man operation, that you're 18 years old, and that you say you "achieved financial independence at the age of 16" is a big turn-off to me.
smickles: my papers got misplaced somehow
smickles: I was wondering why it was taking so long
smickles: lol, you mean you don't expect incompetence in the gov't?
smickles: or you suspect they have it out for me
smickles: well, i'll be successful and then move to romania then, since it's so much better
smickles: civil law system alone sounds better than common law anyway
smickles: did you vote? (assuming I correctly recall you saying you were 'merican)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28004 @ 0.0005 = 14.002 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2396 @ 0.00050032 = 1.1988 BTC [+]
smickles: Will you say which presidential candidate you voted for?
smickles: really? charter schools were illegal where you are?
smickles: mircea_popescu: is mail delivery done by the gov't in romainia?
mircea_popescu: i get monthly thanik you notes in the mail from the tax authority
mircea_popescu: o, you mean the post ? it's an autonomous thingee. like the uk mail or w/e
smickles: i don't know how that is, I guess i'll research UK mail
smickles: ah uk has gov't owned mail services too
thestringpuller: i voted for obama. romney is a robot, or an android. he wants to cut science which is my swing issue.
mircea_popescu: basically, much like a spunoff vehicle, govt doesn't want their debts on its books
thestringpuller: also we have to charter for schools from within the board of education. a board member must raise it for voting. this amendment lets the local community raise it.
smickles: lolwut thestringpuller you voted for obama?
dub: like any sane person
dub: its either vote obama or vote jesus freak
dub: smickles voted for jesus?
smickles: there are more than 3 choices you know
smickles: they don't actually count write-ins
smickles: I doubt the system is rigged, they don't need to
smickles: too many people think is a 2 person choice
dub: thestringpuller: you like charter schools?
pigeons: well it's rigged because someone will win even though more of us didnt vote
thestringpuller: they allow kids in impoverished households to get a better education if their school is failing
smickles: pigeons: you think not voting should carry weight somehow?
dub: conversely allowing schools to deny kids though right?
dub: its like free market for education
pigeons: yes. i think that they should all go home if enough people dont vote
smickles: pigeons: does belgium have a notional gov't yet?
pigeons: i dont know, i'm not very cosmopolitan. but they make nice waffles
thestringpuller: then reform all the schools. if a school is failing the community should be allowed to reform it
thestringpuller: most charter schools that succeed were failing schools before they were "taken over"
smickles: oh, seems they got one back in december
thestringpuller: dub: there is a free market for education. its called private school
smickles: it's not really free market if you still have to pay for the public schools
mircea_popescu: <smickles> pigeons: you think not voting should carry weight somehow? <<< yes. simple majority or no elected official.
mircea_popescu: if the candidate doesn't get 50%+ of all votes there's no president that term.
pigeons: thestringpuller: but in usa everyone is forced to pay for public school so if they use private school, they pay twice
dub: yeah but don't charter schools make public schools into voluntary private ones?
smickles: i think second place should be the VP
mircea_popescu: and if congress doesn't manage to get simple majority of seats it sits idle.
pigeons: i like that mircea_popescu
smickles: yeah, sounds like an interesting system mp
mircea_popescu: be like, lucky if you get a president every fifty years
smickles: romania is plurality elections, isn't it?
mircea_popescu: the local obama wannabe tried to create a disturbance oust the president
mircea_popescu: got their asses handed to them in such grand manner it was funny
mircea_popescu: (romania's extreme left is slightly right of the us gop)