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jurov: month graph looks like fractal function
mircea_popescu: it does have a certain beauty to it
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jurov: i envy mpoe-pr now... answering 3 simple questions took me 40 minutes :/
jurov: how does she manage?
kakobreklaaa: type real fast
mircea_popescu: jurov she's a girl.
jurov: i type reasonably fast... yeah, maybe other body parts are the culprit
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4270 @ 0.0005247 = 2.2405 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: jurov that's good cause she said "haha. he's got more https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=102181.msg1367272#msg1367272"
burnside: ;)
mircea_popescu: pigeons https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=128437.0 that's a nice story.
mircea_popescu: and i tell you, the only thing better than having a girl making sandwiches is having a girl making btctalk summaries.
Diablo-D3: is that before or after blowjobs?
mircea_popescu: yes.
mircea_popescu: burnside re the quoting things : afaik frenode policy is that it's up to each chan owner to set up policy.
mircea_popescu: i've been quoting -assets abundantly, such as
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2012/bitcoin-wittgenstein-assets/
Ukto: kakobreklaaa: take a look at thge my ask/bid (cancel) button now
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mircea_popescu: out of maybe two dozen or w/e
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1433 @ 0.00053742 = 0.7701 BTC [+]
Ukto: Not only did I get things visually correct, added even MORE info to the cancel button
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burnside: MP, sounds good, thx for that.
Ukto: burnside: watch out, MP will quote you talking shitty about other ppl / other ppls sites
Ukto: :P
burnside: I try not to talk shitty, karma's a bitch
Ukto: iusually odnt
Ukto: I know better
Ukto: 'usually'
Ukto: i still think somethings diff. from what I saw tho :/
burnside: eh, only thing I could think of is that I shortend the text in the tabs on the market
Ukto: mebbe
Ukto: I just remember something blarring out at my eyes
mircea_popescu: lol
Ukto: enough that I quickly closed it
mircea_popescu: that was a made up quote for humour, ftr.
Ukto: u sure
mircea_popescu: yup
Ukto: I said that about someones
Ukto: :P
mircea_popescu: i was just trolling you
Ukto: if not I said it to someone else
Ukto: :P
burnside: lol
mircea_popescu: if you did prolly not here tho
Ukto: thought it coulda been a diff site
mircea_popescu: i literally typed it out
burnside: I -know- it's a web 1.0 looking site
burnside: so you're not gonna hurt my feelings
burnside: it has 2 images. the favicon, and the geotrust label.
Ukto: actually i found i
Ukto: t
burnside: I'm just not graphically inclined
Ukto: i was talking to someone in pm
burnside: what was the url you were at?
Ukto: they mentioned it, i opened it and said 'wow. layout needs a crap ton of work'
Ukto: similar enough to 'its kinda shitty' :P
burnside: heh. ;)
Ukto: or easily confused with
Ukto: hehe
Ukto: http://www.btct.co
Ukto: yeh, its the same
burnside: yup, that's the one.
Ukto: your gonna charge 0.01btc per withdraw and 0.2% trading fee?
Ukto: also.. under what unique about btctc. you write trading of assets in btc...
Ukto: arent all asset exchanges doing it that way?
mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=112443.msg1226443#msg1226443 lol. this guy should be on irc
mircea_popescu: o wait, he is. hai vampireb
Ukto: MP: lol
Ukto: nice
burnside: Ukto, nah, it's same codebase as litecoinglobal.com, so over there you can see it reads: "trading of assets in ltc"
burnside: heh
burnside: which on litecoinglobal was unique
burnside: not so much for btc-tc
burnside: only diff between the two sites is a config file
burnside: and I guess the css file
Ukto: lol
burnside: which I definitely need to hand off to someone that isn't colorblind.
pigeons: hey its burnside, the gang's all here
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mircea_popescu: more bang for the gang!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29100 @ 0.00053747 = 15.6404 BTC [+]
Ukto: burnside: also, on BF, under the held assets page, it gives an est. value per asset based on last trade price
Ukto: :)
burnside: hey, yeah... re-discovering irc.
Ukto: although, i really should add a total total price
burnside: yeah, ltc-global/btc-tc has that in one of the portfolio tabs... definitely good to have.
burnside: I need to figure out how to make it take the order book into account tho.
burnside: give a value along the lines of "if I want to liquidate now, what would I get?"
Ukto: there, total total done
Ukto: burnside: thats not worth the trouble
Ukto: i think
Ukto: cause alot of times, like when I used glbse
Ukto: if I sold off all my JAH shares..
Ukto: rather. when my account was *cough*"hacked"*cough* and "someone" sold off all my JAH shares
Ukto: it emptied the market
Ukto: 100% for JAH buys
burnside: heh, yeah, no depth
Ukto: so its not worth doing honestly
Ukto: would be too inacurate
jcpham: who knows what the difinition of an asset is?
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burnside: that's what I'm getting at. part of the value is "how much depth is there backing up this price?"
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Ukto: well, at least not worth anyones time
jcpham: *definition
Ukto: jcpham: me
Ukto: oh. n/m. i misread that
Ukto: :P
Ukto: point in case.
jcpham: Anything tangible or intangible that is capable of being owned or controlled to produce value and that is held to have positive economic value is considered an asset.
jcpham: tangible or intangible that is capable of being owned or controlled
jcpham: owned or controlled
Ukto: controlled is another story
jcpham: it seems to be me that assets based on bitcoin are bullshit
jcpham: based on control
jcpham: because you lose that once you give up your btc
mircea_popescu: jcpham there's an or in there
Ukto: what about assets based on mining equipement?
mircea_popescu: it's not owned and controlled.
jcpham: i think i'm specifically talking about intangibles
jcpham: but i have some serious issues with this concept
jcpham: bonds and intangibles that bear fruit
Ukto: dont get into clinton.. "Your honor, that depends. How do you define 'IS'?"
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jcpham: one lesson i forgot somewhere along the way and then re-learned
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mircea_popescu: how;s a btc bond different from a usd bank account ?
mircea_popescu: one day the bank tells you to fuck off. what then ?
jcpham: if it isn't on the blockchain, it isn't real
jcpham: any bitcoins i give to someone to control some thing are gone
mircea_popescu: how is this different from a bank account!
pigeons: well there is some level of counterparty risk in most things that involve a counterparty
jcpham: time
mircea_popescu: what time ?
jcpham: the passage of time
mircea_popescu: i don't get it.
jcpham: but your point is very valid
mircea_popescu: one day you go to your bank, they tell you to fuck off. what now ?
mircea_popescu: maybe they got one of those "secret" presidential orders to steal your money.
jcpham: guess i'm fubar
mircea_popescu: maybe they just stole it a la madoff
mircea_popescu: maybe they just stole it a la that broker that mixed client funds recently.
jcpham: that's why i can't give my btc to any entity
jcpham: for any "asset"
mircea_popescu: well, not like you have to.
mircea_popescu: in btc you have this advantage, that cash makes sense.
mircea_popescu: in fiat you pretty much HAVE TO
jcpham: yeah
jcpham: my only point is that many of the so-called assets, the name of this channel
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jcpham: they aren't exactly all assets in the conventiuonal sense
mircea_popescu: for sure not. they're btc assets
mircea_popescu: hence bitcoin-assets.
jcpham: seems like an oxymoron to me
Ukto: yelp. welcome to #bitcoin-asshats. :P
mircea_popescu: in that sense, united states is an oxymoron.
jcpham: haha
jcpham: good call
Ukto: lol
mircea_popescu: and it gets worse than that
mircea_popescu: any woman you marry could be fucking around behind your back
mircea_popescu: any children you have may not be yours but the milkman's
mircea_popescu: it's a tough world out there.
mircea_popescu: ( proof http://polimedia.us/dtng/c/src/128215357439.jpg )
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Ukto: mircea_popescu: cancel button on the order books now works
Ukto: however..
Ukto: when done you end up on the myassets page
Ukto: but it at lesat works
mircea_popescu: hey, anyone knows the people developing planeshift ?
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mircea_popescu: As of 19 November 2012, Crypto x Change stopped allowing trades. There have been a couple of incidents in which we are not allowed to make public which have forced us to close the exchange.
mircea_popescu: hm
mircea_popescu: the stupidity of the us government shines through : by making such bs gagged stuff the law of the land there, they've empowered any scammer anywhere
mircea_popescu: since anyone can claim this
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dub: http://i.imgur.com/uQg4I.jpg
Diablo-D3: https://www.newgrounds.com/collection/supermariobrosz
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Ukto: best part about a gag order
Ukto: is that if your actions of no information lead to a court
Ukto: you cannot even defend yourself to the judge or explain the gag order
Ukto: that gag order itself is covered
mircea_popescu: pff
mircea_popescu: is all i have to say
mircea_popescu: it's bullshit and you'd have to be an idiot to follow it.
kakobreklaaa: catfight https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=118551.msg1367844#msg1367844
dub: capslock, the difference between following and not following court orders
mircea_popescu: no court has the authority to issue secret orders.
mircea_popescu: court proceedings are either public or imaginary.
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dub: what about name suppression?
mircea_popescu: nope.
dub: well reality is the court can do most anythign it wants and does
mircea_popescu: so can i.
dub: including illegal things
burnside: heh, catfight. :P
mircea_popescu: dun dun dun.
mircea_popescu: the burden of persuasion is on the court/legal system i'm affraid.
dub: my fucked by a lady judge comment e.g. relates to a completely illegal ruling I had against me
mircea_popescu: so quash it.
dub: without $10k's to fight it when I was 18 I'm stuck with it
mircea_popescu: sucks.
dub: my lawyer said 'yes that is unusual' and that was that
mircea_popescu: obviously courts make mistakes. mistakes happen.
mircea_popescu: but otherwise... better not start fucking up with the wrong people. so life goes.
dub: then the last lady judge I stood before actually apologised as she convicted me
mircea_popescu: lol just how many times did you get convicted ?
dub: a few :)
dub: last one was for drink driving I was only just over teh limit
dub: and I offered no bullshit sob story like the preceedign few asshats
mircea_popescu: heh.
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 700 @ 0.00328068 = 2.2965 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 3337 @ 0.0032796 = 10.944 BTC [-]
Namjies: woot woot
Namjies: I just integrated my new design with WHMCS
Namjies: It now looks neat
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kakobreklaaa: lol http://shrani.si/f/2i/6F/2gHEulwJ/kalm2.png
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mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2012/visual-culture-test-the-naked-woman/
mircea_popescu: guess the source, win 1 bitcoin.
Diablo-D3: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jk07gVXAQKE around 0:40
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: ^
mircea_popescu: Diablo-D3 well, post there, and name it would you
mircea_popescu: i dun have flash
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: use html5 then
Diablo-D3: youtube has supported it for years
mircea_popescu: i am lol. not all stuff shows tho. but srsly, leave comment.
Diablo-D3: I have no clue what th eguy is saying, btw
Diablo-D3: apparently its a polish translation of monty python
mircea_popescu: lol so howdja find it?
Diablo-D3: I cant find it without the fucking polish
Diablo-D3: Ive seen the episode
mircea_popescu: aite, well, post it as a comment, get your bitcoin.
Diablo-D3: posted.
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7051 @ 0.00053032 = 3.7393 BTC [-]
kakobreklaaa: you can see its MP by the quality of image
Diablo-D3: yeah, or the content
Diablo-D3: man, why the fuck cant I find this in the original english
Ukto: kakobreklaaa: got the cancel stuff all done for the order books
kakobreklaaa: ok
Ukto: also included the number of shares on the btton
kakobreklaaa: im not your boss you know
Ukto: so you know how many are yours
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Ukto: nah, it was a great idea
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: posted comment
Ukto: and it gave me a reason to fixup the page more
Ukto: looks much better now
Ukto: i also added pagination && searching to the trade history page
Ukto: so ppl can quickly sort to X assets, or Y date just by typing
Ukto: if you guys come up wiht anything else, lemme know. :)
Ukto: otherwise. i will start on api
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Ukto: at least, start debating how I am going to do the api
mircea_popescu: Diablo-D3 and answered!
mircea_popescu: kakobreklaaa maybe you should wear moare leather and a whip
mircea_popescu: people would make a bee line for your uservices
mircea_popescu: and by people i mean web developers.
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: bleh, I cant reply to a reply
Ukto: LOL
mircea_popescu: Diablo-D3 it's not nested, you just reply
Ukto: :P
Diablo-D3: looks nested
mircea_popescu: i only get nested for i am god.
mircea_popescu: commoners are unnested
kakobreklaaa: right now i need to whip myself.
Diablo-D3: whip it / whip it good
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2012/visual-culture-test-the-naked-woman/#comment-90762 lol
mircea_popescu: too late
Diablo-D3: lol
mircea_popescu: smickles will prolly be all awwww when he sees this tomorrow
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smickles: well, damn, i just had to be taking care of my daughter, rather than refreshing my rss feed of trilema
kakobreklaaa: those meddling kids!
smickles: indeed
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: PUNISH HER
mircea_popescu: you know, of all the things i could be after i die, i guess "that voice in the head of psychopaths telling them what to do" wouldn't be the worst...
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kakobreklaaa: http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2012-11-29/dollar-less-iranians-discover-virtual-currency
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2513 @ 0.00337226 = 8.4745 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: cool.
Namjies: ahem... right, mircea
Namjies: about the voice thing
mircea_popescu: hm ?
Namjies: ah, nvm, just commenting about your earlier comment
mircea_popescu: o lol
mircea_popescu: i'd try to keep it funny, too
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22005 @ 0.00053634 = 11.8022 BTC [+]
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8446 @ 0.00053258 = 4.4982 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18676 @ 0.00053258 = 9.9465 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8576 @ 0.00053406 = 4.5801 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1500 @ 0.00333051 = 4.9958 BTC [+]
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24503 @ 0.00052918 = 12.9665 BTC [+]
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3608 @ 0.00052949 = 1.9104 BTC [+]
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11171 @ 0.00052372 = 5.8505 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9260 @ 0.00052361 = 4.8486 BTC [-]
jurov: morning
jurov: so, apparently i need to slap "The use of this site is for educational and entertainment purposes only." on coinbr
jurov: to evade accusations that i'm "borderline scammer", eh?
jurov: while the same person says that that to say about myself that i'm a broker, i need some certificate, lol
jurov: oh, and i also need insurance. usagi, you there?
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052362 = 1.2279 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8740 @ 0.00052361 = 4.5764 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15192 @ 0.00052354 = 7.9536 BTC [-]
jurov: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=102181.msg1367797#msg1367797
jurov: so, mircea_popescu, of it all comes that we should get some legal affidavit that that nothing we trade is real.
jurov: then we can call ourselves "security exchange" and "broker"
pigeons: people used to put that on video game ROM download sites
pigeons: "This site is for educational purposes only"
pigeons: yeah i'm sure those words are magic
pigeons: poof, you're safe :)
pigeons: wow borderline scammer accusation from the operator of a borderline exchange in a borderline currency
jurov: yeah borderline trolling
jurov: and we need borderline insurance, don't forget :P
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13607 @ 0.00052354 = 7.1238 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14043 @ 0.00052337 = 7.3497 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052435 = 1.2296 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1755 @ 0.00052448 = 0.9205 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: mmm
pigeons: just use CPA oh wiat
mircea_popescu: lol mpex has self-issued court immunity
mircea_popescu: if that's not good enough i dunno what is.
jurov: and I'm going to my tax directorate branch tomorrow, to get official acknowledgement that i'm doing imaginary trades
jurov: only
jurov: oh, can we have this immunity extended to coinbr?
mircea_popescu: no.
mircea_popescu: it's only for white background websites
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2100 @ 0.00052339 = 1.0991 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: but anyway
mircea_popescu: the argument is pretty retarded, "your honor, I thought jurov was a broker" "well... did you wire him money ?"
mircea_popescu: "no, he wouldn't take money"
mircea_popescu: "this makes sense"
jurov: oh and what if hacker sells all coinbr holdings? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=118551.msg1367844#msg1367844
jurov: o any mistakes you make are far harder to fix than if you were running your own exchange where you probably would eat a BTC loss out of the wallet but could easily revert to a previous backup.
jurov: i cant even...
jurov: so if i empty btct wallet, they'll just revert to previous backup, and all will be dandy
jurov: why didn't i think of such?
mircea_popescu: this is a bizzare argument
mircea_popescu: seems to me the broker-exchange structure is inherently safer
mircea_popescu: than just the straight exchange. amply displayed in the case of icbit
mircea_popescu: they weren't expecting a user to go through a broker, and thus have actual proof of their bs shady dealings
mircea_popescu: i think in general there's this expectation on the part of website owners that they have license to alter history
mircea_popescu: as displayed for instance by dwolla.
jurov: it's a business model for some, like betsofbitcoin
jurov: okay. gotta go sweat it off to the gym
jurov: later
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2999 @ 0.00052337 = 1.5696 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13250 @ 0.00052327 = 6.9333 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2496 @ 0.00052306 = 1.3056 BTC [-]
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5000 @ 0.00052306 = 2.6153 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2047 @ 0.00052306 = 1.0707 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17553 @ 0.00052303 = 9.1807 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.0005242 = 1.2292 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13695 @ 0.00052448 = 7.1828 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16360 @ 0.00052749 = 8.6297 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 950 @ 0.00333969 = 3.1727 BTC [+]
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1455 @ 0.00052749 = 0.7675 BTC [+]
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5893 @ 0.00052628 = 3.1014 BTC [-]
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 239 @ 0.00052303 = 0.125 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7900 @ 0.00052286 = 4.1306 BTC [-]
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mircea_popescu: lmao
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11368 @ 0.00052265 = 5.9415 BTC [-]
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2 @ 0.00052686 = 0.0011 BTC [+]
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1918 @ 0.00052541 = 1.0077 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14040 @ 0.00052686 = 7.3971 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 3350 @ 0.00334387 = 11.202 BTC [+]
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18751 @ 0.00052265 = 9.8002 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4804 @ 0.00052262 = 2.5107 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052277 = 1.2259 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6773 @ 0.00052262 = 3.5397 BTC [-]
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41700 @ 0.00052312 = 21.8141 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 903 @ 0.00052686 = 0.4758 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7852 @ 0.00052749 = 4.1419 BTC [+]
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9655 @ 0.0005243 = 5.0621 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052276 = 1.2259 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15455 @ 0.00052262 = 8.0771 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052413 = 1.2291 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6755 @ 0.0005243 = 3.5416 BTC [+]
Ukto: man
Ukto: I am stuck :/
Ukto: have sto setup the json api..
Ukto: and trying to think of a really clever way to do it
Ukto: rather than just sent api_key, api_pin, cmd, array(key=value)
Ukto: mebbe its just the best way
Ukto: dont expose yourself in here
jurov: lol i expose controller, not myself. i'm only pulling strings.
Ukto: I honestly wish I could see GLBSE's api command list again. cant find it on google anywhere. not because i wanna just copy it, but because I want ppl to be able to use old glbse trading scripts by just changing the url
Ukto: yeah, thats what they all say :P
jurov: maybe try making it similar to mtgox
Ukto: no
Ukto: I stay away from that rats nest of api crazyness
Ukto: thats what ppl hte
Ukto: hate
Ukto: its all over the place
Ukto: i was annoyed at having to figure it out just to use it
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 152 @ 0.00052262 = 0.0794 BTC [-]
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10431 @ 0.00052244 = 5.4496 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052408 = 1.229 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 490 @ 0.0005243 = 0.2569 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8315 @ 0.0005268 = 4.3803 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24655 @ 0.0005268 = 12.9883 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3780 @ 0.00052749 = 1.9939 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3065 @ 0.00052789 = 1.618 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052246 = 1.2252 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8119 @ 0.00052244 = 4.2417 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9717 @ 0.00052241 = 5.0763 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052774 = 1.2376 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6135 @ 0.00052789 = 3.2386 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1920 @ 0.00052847 = 1.0147 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052253 = 1.2253 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4756 @ 0.00052241 = 2.4846 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052245 = 1.2251 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15361 @ 0.00052241 = 8.0247 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1500 @ 0.00052232 = 0.7835 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13530 @ 0.00052205 = 7.0633 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3450 @ 0.00052205 = 1.8011 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1961 @ 0.00052205 = 1.0237 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1763 @ 0.00052192 = 0.9201 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14737 @ 0.00052192 = 7.6915 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4224 @ 0.0005218 = 2.2041 BTC [-]
Ukto: fucking glbse api system. now that I see it, there is no way I will use 50,00 fake subdirs for api calls
Ukto: just retarded
mircea_popescu: Ukto i was gonna say glbse system was retarded
mircea_popescu: i chose to stfu, on the theory that unless you're an idiot you'll figure it out yourself in short order.
Ukto: im just gonna go with my original idea.
Ukto: api_key, api_pin, cmd, array(key=value)
kakobreklaaa: 50,00 fake subdirs?
Ukto: yeh. api/account/assset/list api/account/balance api/market/buy market/order/cancel asset/depth market/orders history/bitcoin history/assets
Ukto: etc etc etc
Ukto: instead of just sending a fucking command key
Ukto: hi, lets bloat mod_rewrite instead!
kakobreklaaa: hm, perhaps it was hanled by a router?
Ukto: no
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052836 = 1.239 BTC [+]
Ukto: he wasnt that advanced
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21528 @ 0.00052847 = 11.3769 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7182 @ 0.00052949 = 3.8028 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 145 @ 0.00053076 = 0.077 BTC [+]
Ukto: he could barely get ruby to work
Ukto: wasnt even use rails
Ukto: using some other wtf off shoot
kakobreklaaa: dunno
mircea_popescu: even if you do it with mod
mircea_popescu: rewrite, it's not particularly sane
kakobreklaaa: you dont need mod
Ukto: your just writing the cmd if you do it with mod
Ukto: no reaosn to
Ukto: just let the client send the cmd directly
Ukto: and eb done with it
Ukto: url should just be /api/
Ukto: and send your fucking json api call
Ukto: he made api calls to create assets.
Ukto: wtf
Ukto: just screams BAD IDEA
kakobreklaaa: yes you need about 10k calls of that a day
Ukto: account/asset/new
Ukto: and account/asset/issue
kakobreklaaa: where are you reading this anyway
Ukto: https://gitorious.org/black-market/black-market-client/blobs/3a2403d300329d9b2571a7d47a9edf68fb60418b/bmc.py
Ukto: code from someones python script
Ukto: they made for it
Ukto: most complete api cmd reference I could find
Ukto: although
Ukto: there are some he's missing, but thats because nefario never told anyone but me. heh
kakobreklaaa: you get internet points +1
Ukto: no no
Ukto: thats a -, I assure you
Ukto: because he didnt post them
Ukto: you guys think api key + api pin is secure enough?
Ukto: was debating letting users also do 2fa
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00053047 = 1.244 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17955 @ 0.00053076 = 9.5298 BTC [+]
kakobreklaaa: for starters
kakobreklaaa: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=112070.0
kakobreklaaa: and
kakobreklaaa: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=122006.0
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 900 @ 0.00333229 = 2.9991 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 850 @ 0.00333413 = 2.834 BTC [+]
Ukto: s'pose i could make it difficult on ppl, and use gpg signed stuff
pigeons: Ukto: that python script is actually the original official glbse client
Ukto: that explains why its so complete
kakobreklaaa: oh yes i thought it looked familliar at first glance
pigeons: "black market" unless a lawyer you meet on the train tells you its illegal
Ukto: lol
kuzetsa: Ukto: cool. I see that you have the API structure now. Planning on implementing an API-compatible platform? At least if you live in the 'states that should be fully legal to do ---> http://www.intomobile.com/2012/06/01/judge-oracle-v-google-rules-apis-not-copyrightable/
Ukto: LOL
kuzetsa: well... leagal minus any SEC regulatory issues you run into
Ukto: i never saw that one. nice oracle
kuzetsa: huh?
kuzetsa: no, other way around
Ukto: really?
Ukto: google tries to enforce copyrighting apis? 0,o
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7802 @ 0.00053165 = 4.1479 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15453 @ 0.00053124 = 8.2093 BTC [-]
Ukto: seems.. odd
kuzetsa: oracle tried to claim dalvik was infringing on their acquired "sun" java platform because the APIs were basically identical
Ukto: ahhhh
kuzetsa: dalvik being the guts of most apps on google's android OS
Ukto: yes
Ukto: hes the one that designed the rather interesting app "push" system
Ukto: that lets google install w/e they want on your phone, and even without your knowledge/consent. :P
kuzetsa: ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00053204 = 1.2476 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18422 @ 0.00053213 = 9.8029 BTC [+]
Ukto: you dont just 'download' an app from their store
Ukto: when you hit install, googles servers send you a msg
Ukto: and blah blah blah
kuzetsa: ... eh
Ukto: yeh
kuzetsa: I'm an android developer :P
kuzetsa: (android OS & apps too)
Ukto: lemme find the paper 1 sec
Ukto: stumbled on it, when I was looking into how to do forced app updates
Ukto: was like a year ago tho
mircea_popescu: so with a bittle lit of luck i'ma sell the planescape project on using bitcoin in their game.
mircea_popescu: planeshift sorry.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00053159 = 1.2466 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13549 @ 0.00053124 = 7.1978 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00053132 = 1.2459 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6948 @ 0.00053124 = 3.6911 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20676 @ 0.00052501 = 10.8551 BTC [-]
Ukto: kuzetsa: I'll find the info on it sooner or later
kuzetsa: not too worried about it
kuzetsa: I've directly dealt with the google apps distribution platform
Ukto: it described how they do some shit, and send a push type call to the phone directly to download the app
kuzetsa: it affects me more as a developer than it might as a security "conscious" (paranoid)
Ukto: i'm not worried about how they use it
kuzetsa: end user... so I'd rather not read the paper anyway
Ukto: I just remember thinking it was interesting, and I remember seeing dalvik mentioned
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00053182 = 1.2471 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10755 @ 0.00053213 = 5.7231 BTC [+]
kuzetsa: fair enough
Ukto: was thinking it was cause he was invovled in creating hte process, might be wrong.
Ukto: dont remember the reference
Ukto: pisses me off when I cant find things tho :/
Ukto: anywho
Ukto: back to debating how to do a nice secure api
Ukto: w/o going too overboard
kuzetsa: the android apk files are basically just dalvik. and all that is is a compiled format which is an api-compatible-ish container similar to a java jar file
Ukto: ahhh
Ukto: that makes sense then
kuzetsa: dalvik is register based instead of stack based like java
kuzetsa: a few under the hood differences like that which make very little difference in how you code your apps
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052514 = 1.2315 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8397 @ 0.00052501 = 4.4085 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1376 @ 0.0005218 = 0.718 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1700 @ 0.00052161 = 0.8867 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 882 @ 0.00052149 = 0.46 BTC [-]
Ukto: I never wrote a native android app. I only used corona since it was Lua and fast to do what i needed
Ukto: :P
kuzetsa: oh
kuzetsa: technically, "native" is something different
kuzetsa: if you make android native apps, they natively call the android C libraries and whatnot
Ukto: ahhhh
kuzetsa: ... I haven't had any major need to play with the native version of the android SDK either
Ukto: sounds like it would be a pain :P
kuzetsa: http://developer.android.com/tools/sdk/ndk/index.html ---> (quote) ... The NDK is a toolset that allows you to implement parts of your app using native-code languages such as C and C++ (yes, it's a pain)
kuzetsa: grr
kuzetsa: use pgp
kuzetsa: ...serriously
kuzetsa: gpg is an implementation
Ukto: lol
kuzetsa: just say pgp since you're pgp signing
Ukto: fine :P
Ukto: so picky
kuzetsa: Ukto: oh, it's not your fault
kuzetsa: ^see above lol
Ukto: LOL
jcpham: http://www.indiegogo.com/cuddle-mattress
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11000 @ 0.00052253 = 5.7478 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17700 @ 0.00052149 = 9.2304 BTC [-]
Ukto: why do you want pgp over gpg btw?
mircea_popescu: kuzetsa gpg!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.0005321 = 1.2478 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9855 @ 0.00053213 = 5.2441 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7928 @ 0.00053244 = 4.2212 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00053174 = 1.2469 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4421 @ 0.00053147 = 2.3496 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27927 @ 0.00052149 = 14.5637 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13734 @ 0.00052149 = 7.1621 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2566 @ 0.00052133 = 1.3377 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2134 @ 0.00052133 = 1.1125 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25366 @ 0.00052122 = 13.2213 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00053212 = 1.2478 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2870 @ 0.00053244 = 1.5281 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8100 @ 0.00052614 = 4.2617 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052154 = 1.223 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1534 @ 0.00052122 = 0.7996 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4721 @ 0.00052122 = 2.4607 BTC [-]
kakobreklaaa: http://shrani.si/f/2U/eB/26Bg0NXt/moneflow.png
kakobreklaaa: sell before its too late!
kakobreklaaa: preweeked breakout chances are getting slimmer
thestringpuller: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 12.58502, Best ask: 12.58503, Bid-ask spread: 0.00001, Last trade: 12.58502, 24 hour volume: 26279.10705937, 24 hour low: 12.40000, 24 hour high: 12.65000, 24 hour vwap: 12.54155
thestringpuller: its going to get volatile
thestringpuller: up im here
thestringpuller: im
thestringpuller: in*
kakobreklaaa: nothing happens when everyone expects it
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00053221 = 1.248 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 302 @ 0.00053244 = 0.1608 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2600 @ 0.00053286 = 1.3854 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6600 @ 0.00053389 = 3.5237 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15606 @ 0.00053406 = 8.3345 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052146 = 1.2228 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6555 @ 0.00052122 = 3.4166 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8224 @ 0.00052122 = 4.2865 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9650 @ 0.00052112 = 5.0288 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6750 @ 0.00052109 = 3.5174 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6759 @ 0.00052106 = 3.5218 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1500 @ 0.00333413 = 5.0012 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052376 = 1.2282 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24500 @ 0.00052381 = 12.8333 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3700 @ 0.00053361 = 1.9744 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11968 @ 0.00053406 = 6.3916 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7611 @ 0.00053435 = 4.0669 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3200 @ 0.00053095 = 1.699 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052107 = 1.2219 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6841 @ 0.00052106 = 3.5646 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9064 @ 0.00052066 = 4.7193 BTC [-]
kakobreklaaa: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 12.48002, Best ask: 12.48003, Bid-ask spread: 0.00001, Last trade: 12.48002, 24 hour volume: 27029.09883168, 24 hour low: 12.40000, 24 hour high: 12.65000, 24 hour vwap: 12.54454
kakobreklaaa: 10c already, told ya :p
mircea_popescu: uh, up or down ?
kakobreklaaa: down
kakobreklaaa: 19:36.19 ( kakobreklaaa ) http://shrani.si/f/2U/eB/26Bg0NXt/moneflow.png
kakobreklaaa: 19:36.23 ( kakobreklaaa ) sell before its too late!
kakobreklaaa: :>
mircea_popescu: lol mk
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7636 @ 0.00052066 = 3.9758 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8900 @ 0.00052056 = 4.633 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12600 @ 0.00052029 = 6.5557 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2014 @ 0.00052025 = 1.0478 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19100 @ 0.00052025 = 9.9368 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9236 @ 0.00052025 = 4.805 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5964 @ 0.00052007 = 3.1017 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052101 = 1.2218 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7355 @ 0.00052104 = 3.8322 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1300 @ 0.00333413 = 4.3344 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1050 @ 0.00335016 = 3.5177 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1550 @ 0.00336141 = 5.2102 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052021 = 1.2199 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17886 @ 0.00052007 = 9.302 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6820 @ 0.00052 = 3.5464 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6380 @ 0.00052 = 3.3176 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7820 @ 0.00051999 = 4.0663 BTC [-]
Namjies: kako: what is series 2?
Namjies: Also, matching a graph with another graph is pretty pointless.
kakobrekla: money flow oscillator
Namjies: Well if it's money flow... then it's only natural it match somewhat the price.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.0005209 = 1.2215 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12055 @ 0.00052104 = 6.2811 BTC [+]
Namjies: I'll say it so everyone knows: buy buy buy
jurov: i'll say, don't do anything.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052099 = 1.2217 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10134 @ 0.00052104 = 5.2802 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12621 @ 0.00052204 = 6.5887 BTC [+]
Namjies: I buy put options
Namjies: I mean sell put options
Namjies: Profits to be had.
Namjies: If price go down... buy cheap bitcoins.
Diablo-D3: !ticker
assbot: Provide ticker.
Diablo-D3: er
Diablo-D3: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 12.48748, Best ask: 12.61990, Bid-ask spread: 0.13242, Last trade: 12.48547, 24 hour volume: 26919.53857884, 24 hour low: 12.40200, 24 hour high: 12.65000, 24 hour vwap: 12.54654
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052012 = 1.2197 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2880 @ 0.00051999 = 1.4976 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11490 @ 0.00051977 = 5.9722 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052136 = 1.2226 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17555 @ 0.00052167 = 9.1579 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6445 @ 0.00051977 = 3.3499 BTC [-]
thestringpuller: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 12.55110, Best ask: 12.55111, Bid-ask spread: 0.00001, Last trade: 12.55110, 24 hour volume: 26371.56178368, 24 hour low: 12.40200, 24 hour high: 12.65000, 24 hour vwap: 12.54851
jurov: <jgarzik> [12:05:29] But in particular, it is the height of stupidity to encourage bitcoin use in (a) countries under sanction by the US and Europe
jurov: we didn't have a good shitstorm in a long time, but now it comes: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=128532.0
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052004 = 1.2195 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9605 @ 0.00052003 = 4.9949 BTC [-]
jurov: <jgarzik> [12:12:55] If you market bitcoin directly to people who are _already_ being targeted -- Taliban, Iran -- you put bitcoin right into the crosshairs
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P060T] 10 @ 0.00000001 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: delaying the inevitable
jurov: that whole log is good to read, to see where bitcoin foundation stands politically
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052027 = 1.22 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6455 @ 0.00052003 = 3.3568 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1500 @ 0.00336141 = 5.0421 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1700 @ 0.00337442 = 5.7365 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17913 @ 0.00052169 = 9.345 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10087 @ 0.00052204 = 5.2658 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052188 = 1.2238 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2825 @ 0.00052204 = 1.4748 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22330 @ 0.00052274 = 11.6728 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.0005226 = 1.2255 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6670 @ 0.00052274 = 3.4867 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2335 @ 0.00052393 = 1.2234 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052153 = 1.223 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5405 @ 0.00052142 = 2.8183 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052369 = 1.2281 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11405 @ 0.00052393 = 5.9754 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28835 @ 0.00052393 = 15.1075 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 12.58001, Best ask: 12.58002, Bid-ask spread: 0.00001, Last trade: 12.58001, 24 hour volume: 25079.22583532, 24 hour low: 12.42423, 24 hour high: 12.65000, 24 hour vwap: 12.55148
thestringpuller: up it goes
thestringpuller: shoulda kept calls at 12
jurov: why? i sold C120Ts to mpex bot at ~0.7 and i'm still in black well enough
jurov: few days ago i still saw the bot trying to iunsuccessfully sell them
rdponticelli: mircea_popescu: So, if I leave my mpex account with zero btc the assets got locked, right? As in non tradable?
mircea_popescu: rdponticelli ya
Namjies: I don't see the benefit of that...
Namjies: If someone has your private key to trade, they can as well deposit...
Namjies: What purpose does it serve?
rdponticelli: To unlock them afterwards I only have to deposit btc again?
Namjies: I think so. Or sign a message with private key?
Namjies: Anyway, you need the private key to trade and the private key to authorize the account back...
Ukto: anyone worked with mod_rewrites? fighting to get a RewriteCond to work