assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14050 @ 0.00050563 = 7.1041 BTC [+]
jurov: smickles, "dangerous, risky, or even illegal"?
Namjies: Depending on local regulations
jurov: i commented on that. did any institution in US/UK officially proclaim bitcoin securities illegal?
jurov: *unlicensed bitcoin securities to be exact (although i doubt there are any licensed)
Diablo-D3: well, thats why I want to go the bond route
Diablo-D3: bonds dont need to be registered with the SEC
mircea_popescu: MPOE-PR, EskimoBob, Puppet, Deprived. Etc. -- Fraud and Conspiracy
Diablo-D3: I havent seen him trolling around lately
Diablo-D3: did it come out that he was nefario's puppet?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21147 @ 0.00050955 = 10.7755 BTC [+]
JWU42: mircea_popescu: it seems either some people did not fill in the GLBSE claim or they are in a dispute over BTC paid out and nefario is holding their assets "hostage"
JWU42: so - we wait a while longer
mircea_popescu: basically, "partial lists" is the only thing that's worse than both "lists" and "no lists"
Namjies: It's pretty much the only tool he has to force people to send back double payments.
Namjies: I find partial list better than no list
JWU42: I was able to match up some claims
JWU42: maybe 50% of ouytstanding shares
mircea_popescu: Namjies maybe you get lucky. what JWU42 is describing is a prime rate nightmare.
JWU42: that is, matching a submitted claim to me via e-mail with GLBSE data
mircea_popescu: from gigavps' tight lippedness i infer he's in a similar situation
dub: why would we send back double payments?
JWU42: why would you not?
dub: thats an "im a fucking moron its coming out of my own pocket" scenario
Namjies: Because you don't own the extra funds?
JWU42: I guess there is enough hatred of nef that users vview it as an asshole tax on nef
dub: yeah, was about to say idiot tax
Namjies: If he can't pay users without those double payments back tho, it harms the innocent users tho.
mircea_popescu: Namjies i dont understand where you figure he gets the empire to fuck with the issuers
dub: he can though sell his house, return his wife to the website for refund etc
mircea_popescu: this is like me running my car into a wall and then destroying the person's wall to extract my car.
Namjies: I'm not saying it's right.
Namjies: Technically, the info is not his.
Namjies: I'm just saying he probably went for it because it was the only option he could leverage.
dub: to head off any idiocy, i didnt receive a double payment (nor a single one)
Namjies: return his wife for... >.>
Namjies: I'm almost certain he didn't buy his wife.
mircea_popescu: can't argue with you there, he has a hefty history of doing stupid shit to compensate for other stupid shit
dub: englishman with chinawife == purchased
dub: dead calm is the only kidman film I rate
smickles: 22:28 < jurov> smickles, "dangerous, risky, or even illegal"? <<< I did say '..could be..'
Namjies: oh I see... so I guess everyone who is in a couple with an asian foreigner has purchased the girl...
Namjies: I don't see how you can infer it must have been purchased...
mircea_popescu: Namjies i'll have you know anyone married in romania has bought the wife.
mircea_popescu: they have a little ceremony at the wedding, people steal her off
dub: it may not be a traditional cash exchange, sex/pretend love for citizenship works as well
Namjies: Well if it's customary for the groom to buy his wife...
mircea_popescu: dub why'd she want british citizenship ? she's not paki, she's chinese.
dub: probably cash for mail order then
Namjies: and Nefario was in China recently visiting her family with her or so he claimed...
Namjies: That doesn't sound like a mail order...
dub: probably to arrange immigration documents
Namjies: Fine, fine, believe whatever you want. But I'm not buying that theory
Namjies: Most claims are matching my list.
smickles: "you dim witted hysterical fuck"
mircea_popescu: "paint a dim witted hysterical fuck. you have two hours and may only use white and burnt sienna"
Namjies: Ah, well maybe others didn't have as much luck as me.
Namjies: 1 unofficial claim so far, many not confirmed yet, many claims confirmed by a user on bitcointalk
Namjies: By looking at spreadsheet and confirming the amount of shares is correct/email/btc address
smickles: sign a message with the address?
Namjies: Strictly looking to get each line I received associated with an actual, preexisting user.
gribble: Error: "rewardhalf" is not a valid command.
mircea_popescu: o so you mean users claimed the lines as representing them ?
gribble: Estimated time of bitcoin block reward halving: Thu Nov 29 02:24:05 2012 UTC | Time remaining: 1 week, 0 days, 3 hours, and 0 seconds.
mircea_popescu: then we can celebrate thanksgiving together once the forum is reloaded from the back-up
mircea_popescu: i guess you'll find that most anywhere foreign currency is legally defined as "legal tender of any other country"
Namjies: Bitcoin is not technically legal tender in any country tho.
Namjies: Unless a country makes it legal tender any currency known or unkown... as far as I'm aware, no country has done such thing.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25150 @ 0.0005061 = 12.7284 BTC [-]
jurov: i replied there, i expect flames over these "third world countries" :P
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17850 @ 0.0005061 = 9.0339 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6650 @ 0.00050563 = 3.3624 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: "maybe except some third world countries with paranoid law system like USA, UK and North Korea"
mircea_popescu: i am of the same mind. the anglosphere is firmly lodged in the third world.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4200 @ 0.00050563 = 2.1236 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18500 @ 0.00050491 = 9.3408 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10557 @ 0.00050491 = 5.3303 BTC [-]
dub: mircea_popescu: I think i've seen that, her real bf from russia comes and fucks him up oslt
smickles: oh, the weight of my fish is now below the threashold
smickles: when you attack another fish and lose
smickles: you can only attack larger fish
Namjies: so you always have lower odds to win
Namjies: Is there a way to check odds?
smickles: when you have a fish, they show below the other fish
smickles: dont forget to bookmark the page when it tells you to
Namjies: I need to create a bitcoin address for withdrawal first.
gribble: Time since last block: 12 minutes and 49 seconds
smickles: i should become visible again at the next block
smickles: it's the one you choose at the beginning
gribble: Time since last block: 15 minutes and 17 seconds
smickles: oh, you are green to the people who chose you
Namjies: Looks like fun. I'll create a fish.
Namjies: I don't see them biting each others tho.
gribble: Time since last block: 3 minutes and 0 seconds
Namjies: Damn, I'm out of personal bitcoins.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla : send me 5btc i'll credit your mpex acct ?
dub: im not detecting any eating of fish
kakobrekla: well gimme addy what are you waiting for
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10150 @ 0.00050491 = 5.1248 BTC [-]
dub: time to send flowers
dub: you'll be sleeping with the fishes, see
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10593 @ 0.00050491 = 5.3485 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: smickles : you should prolly ask for a kickback from whoever made the game.
JWU42: but I have found my own strategy and it has worked OK for the last 6 weeks
kakobrekla: 02:26.48 ( &phy ) Are bitcoins kosher?
Namjies: How can you have a strategy for...
Namjies: Something with odds against you...
smickles: 00:47 < dub> whois smickles? << padre
Namjies: Hmm, I'm thinking about getting referrals for Sealswithclubs and running freerolls every now and then.
Namjies: Hopefully getting some money to good players.
kakobrekla: mircea is mircea and he didnt ask me for more money
kakobrekla: JWU42, how can you run a profit on sd, do explain
smickles: kakobrekla: you don't think SD is profitable?
Namjies: SD = You always lose in the long run
Namjies: Play long enough and you'll end up in the red.
smickles: pigeons: do you know anything about rg being gone for days?
Namjies: The more you play, the lower your odds.
JWU42: kakobrekla: I am up about 250 BTC in the last 6 weeks
JWU42: slow and steady - trying to win 2 BTC a day
JWU42: yeah - that is probably the wisest way
gribble: Time since last block: 29 minutes and 15 seconds
smickles: dammit mircea_popescu, you beat me to the press
kakobrekla: mircea_popescu calls up for more players only to earn on them
gribble: Error: "bc,rewardhalf" is not a valid command.
gribble: Estimated time of bitcoin block reward halving: Thu Nov 29 02:33:41 2012 UTC | Time remaining: 1 week, 0 days, 0 hours, 40 minutes, and 0 seconds.
gribble: Error: "bc,halfrewaed" is not a valid command.
JWU42: they have had a nice recovery after a sharp drop
dub: how does this fish work
smickles: dub: read mircea_popescu's post
smickles: or the instructions on the gamesite itself
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10362 @ 0.00050319 = 5.2141 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16945 @ 0.00050302 = 8.5237 BTC [-]
smickles: mircea_popescu: if this gets popular, that dude will be rich
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla sort of million dollar website with interaction.
mircea_popescu: and ftr i put in 7 btc and i am worth 8 atm, so you could say i made a profit.
gribble: Time since last block: 37 minutes and 9 seconds
kakobrekla: so now its a competition who puts more btc in
gribble: Time since last block: 38 minutes and 11 seconds
mircea_popescu: but in general due to variance, your stake = your cards
mircea_popescu: listen, you get AK this turn, the other guy gets it next turn
kakobrekla: my point is, i can always get AK if i raise my deposit/stake
kakobrekla: so in case two guys have 10 and a half million coins each
kakobrekla: its just a matter of who trustes the site more
gribble: Time since last block: 45 minutes and 59 seconds
kakobrekla: i will run out of trust before i ran out of coins
dub: when do you cash out?
smickles: I've already tested it, it works
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8929 @ 0.00050302 = 4.4915 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8471 @ 0.00050205 = 4.2529 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: ok this is odd. do you see mircea as 8.1999 or 10.999 ?
smickles: yeah, but i should only be reduced by half each time
smickles: mircea_popescu: _negative_ 1.5
dub: coinapult and mircea doing battle
Namjies: smickles eats everything :O
dub: mircea_popescu: ouch
smickles: well, i profited from that game :)
dub: smickles cached out though
smickles: mircea_popescu: i withdrew monies :)
dub: cash stupid caching in the brain
mircea_popescu: i prolly should have withdrawn, could have made 5 or something like that.
dub: so tis bascially SD with pictures
Namjies: Nah... it's about stealing coins off others
jchysk: what are you guys playing?
smickles: Namjies: yeah, he went wild at the end, it was a right frenzy
mircea_popescu: course 8 btc is something like a dozen blowjobs from a pair of blue eyed identical twins
Namjies: The rate is too low for me tho
Namjies: Doing other things with my bitcoins.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 42105 @ 0.00339922 = 143.1242 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 7920 @ 0.00339944 = 26.9236 BTC [+]
dub: kinda close to zipconf
smickles: only 13571 shares to go until ipo shares are being bought again
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24392 @ 0.00050395 = 12.2923 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1day: 0.00339922 / 0.00339925 / 0.00339944 (50025 shares, 170.05 BTC), 30day: 0.00180002 / 0.00332456 / 0.0034 (874155 shares, 2,906.19 BTC)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22015 @ 0.00050395 = 11.0945 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7620 @ 0.00050698 = 3.8632 BTC [+]
smickles: mircea_popescu: no doubt, because of my blog
smickles: haha!, my Biggest Fish add is working!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11080 @ 0.00050516 = 5.5972 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18600 @ 0.00050407 = 9.3757 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6629 @ 0.00050205 = 3.3281 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32641 @ 0.00050094 = 16.3512 BTC [-]
smickles: and at -1082.333333333 CPM so far, it's the best advert i've ever placed
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10800 @ 0.00050698 = 5.4754 BTC [+]
Namjies: Bah, keep getting disconnected
smickles: Namjies: my ad has a cpm of -1082~ btc
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3147 @ 0.00050698 = 1.5955 BTC [+]
Namjies: You get paid 1082 BTC per CPM to ... advertise?
Namjies: That's how in understand your formulation.
smickles: heh, it has a CPM of _negative_ 1082 btc ;)
Namjies: I paid 0.60 USD in ads and now have... 0.01 USD in commission on Seals with Clubs!
smickles: damn, my fish is about slaughtered
smickles: oh, mircea_popescu's at it again
Namjies: Seems non-BTC traffic is interested in BTC poker tho...
smickles: lol, next you know, he'll be selling mpoe share to fund his addiction
Namjies: Addiction is funly addictive!
mircea_popescu: well... unlike last time when i just left my 8 btcs hanging around
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7550 @ 0.00050309 = 3.7983 BTC [-]
gribble: Time since last block: 2 minutes and 22 seconds
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1840 @ 0.00050698 = 0.9328 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22300 @ 0.00050846 = 11.3387 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7731 @ 0.00050921 = 3.9367 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22750 @ 0.00050309 = 11.4453 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16490 @ 0.00050094 = 8.2605 BTC [-]
smickles: heh about a dozen uniques from the fish game, and i'm net +3.147 btc
smickles: yeah, i coul've lost btc overall
smickles: mircea_popescu: do a little highschool probability calc ;)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9500 @ 0.0005036 = 4.7842 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 401 @ 0.00050094 = 0.2009 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26279 @ 0.00049988 = 13.1363 BTC [-]
smickles: i think you best chances are in going after a fish much larger than you, you'll lose more often, but the big win should balance it out
mircea_popescu: seems about neutral. course the game just says "proportional"
smickles: i.e., go after the biggest fish there, or if you want it to be a little more fun, go after anything with a 10% or so on it
dub: alas places to go whiskey to drink
Namjies: Withdrawal request at MPEx pending...
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 12.05000, Best ask: 12.07797, Bid-ask spread: 0.02797, Last trade: 12.05000, 24 hour volume: 38987.87991628, 24 hour low: 11.64350, 24 hour high: 12.10000, 24 hour vwap: 11.82328
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13900 @ 0.00050921 = 7.078 BTC [+]
Namjies: My Put options will profit greatly it seems
gribble: Time since last block: 1 minute and 43 seconds
smickles: yeah, the one who doesn't lose until about 9.50 usd/btc, good call ;)
smickles: you have that balanced out buy the guy who shorted way more puts tho, right?
smickles: the ones that turn a profit above 13?
smickles: yeah, but these are unprofitable puts
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10097 @ 0.00050921 = 5.1415 BTC [+]
Namjies: I sold P130s for 0.25 BTC each =/
Namjies: Assuming it goes over 14 USD/BTC
smickles: still going apeshit on EskimoBob ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33650 @ 0.00050145 = 16.8738 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8450 @ 0.00049988 = 4.224 BTC [-]
Namjies: I'm missing claimers too on my list.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10036 @ 0.00050921 = 5.1104 BTC [+]
Namjies: Doesn't mean there was false claims.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4985 @ 0.00050921 = 2.5384 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25765 @ 0.00051 = 13.1402 BTC [+]
smickles: usagi: did EskimoBob withold a double payment from nef?
smickles: if he filed a claim, and then didn't return a double payment, nef would withold his data from the issuers
smickles: hell, nef could actually get away with doing that to someone 'just cause'
smickles: because the way the situation is, nef could just be dicking with EskimoBob
smickles: suppose eb wasn't sent a double payment, and nef said he was
smickles: I think EB advocated not sending back double payments when it looked like nef would never release the infos
smickles: but i'm unsure if it was EB or not
gribble: Time since last block: 16 minutes and 4 seconds
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28325 @ 0.00051 = 14.4458 BTC [+]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 12.05000, Best ask: 12.09951, Bid-ask spread: 0.04951, Last trade: 12.09957, 24 hour volume: 39295.73956024, 24 hour low: 11.64350, 24 hour high: 12.10000, 24 hour vwap: 11.82560
smickles: usagi: it's not a clear case at all, because nefario could claim all sorts of things that eb can't disprove
smickles: not at all, at the time it was logical to withold those
smickles: it was the only bargining chip of the issuers
smickles: usagi: he might not _still_ be witholding it
dub: unless gox engine is fail
smickles: assuming he ever actually did get a double payment
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16874 @ 0.00051 = 8.6057 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8300 @ 0.00050892 = 4.224 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7523 @ 0.00049948 = 3.7576 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6895 @ 0.00049733 = 3.4291 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19232 @ 0.00049606 = 9.5402 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2350 @ 0.00050892 = 1.196 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7329 @ 0.00051 = 3.7378 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41500 @ 0.00049847 = 20.6865 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3350 @ 0.00049847 = 1.6699 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11250 @ 0.00049606 = 5.5807 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12150 @ 0.00049698 = 6.0383 BTC [+]
EskimoBob: so,little shitbird usagi is opening up multiple scam accusations and when he realizes, he has no proof, closes the thread and makes a new one
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28350 @ 0.00051 = 14.4585 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14600 @ 0.0005062 = 7.3905 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19950 @ 0.0005062 = 10.0987 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11376 @ 0.0005062 = 5.7585 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21024 @ 0.00050085 = 10.5299 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7423 @ 0.00050085 = 3.7178 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7927 @ 0.00050083 = 3.9701 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28515 @ 0.00050391 = 14.369 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32050 @ 0.00050083 = 16.0516 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10485 @ 0.00050391 = 5.2835 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29150 @ 0.00050607 = 14.7519 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1737 @ 0.00050884 = 0.8839 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27663 @ 0.00050496 = 13.9687 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12537 @ 0.00050496 = 6.3307 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23463 @ 0.00050343 = 11.812 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8900 @ 0.00050343 = 4.4805 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2454 @ 0.00050343 = 1.2354 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14900 @ 0.00050262 = 7.489 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28346 @ 0.00050114 = 14.2053 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 300 @ 0.00339944 = 1.0198 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41700 @ 0.00050689 = 21.1373 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1555 @ 0.00050689 = 0.7882 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38050 @ 0.00050663 = 19.2773 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10745 @ 0.00050663 = 5.4437 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14505 @ 0.00050804 = 7.3691 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10150 @ 0.00050804 = 5.1566 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22828 @ 0.0005021 = 11.4619 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5554 @ 0.00050114 = 2.7833 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12634 @ 0.00050083 = 6.3275 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14422 @ 0.00050053 = 7.2186 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13200 @ 0.00050804 = 6.7061 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18978 @ 0.00050053 = 9.4991 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9372 @ 0.00049797 = 4.667 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25400 @ 0.00050804 = 12.9042 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6767 @ 0.00050695 = 3.4305 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15750 @ 0.00050695 = 7.9845 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11158 @ 0.00050547 = 5.64 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23042 @ 0.00049937 = 11.5065 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42645 @ 0.00050695 = 21.6189 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23258 @ 0.00049937 = 11.6143 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26428 @ 0.00049797 = 13.1604 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1514 @ 0.00049694 = 0.7524 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9386 @ 0.00049694 = 4.6643 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6349 @ 0.00049672 = 3.1537 BTC [-]
Ukto: whats with all the trades?
Ukto: just seemed like alot this morning
jurov: mircea is trading with himself :P
jurov: where did i saw that? yeah on reddit...
jurov: but the 1.8m wall yesterday was really impressive
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8304 @ 0.00050695 = 4.2097 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7434 @ 0.00050804 = 3.7768 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14111 @ 0.00050804 = 7.169 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 781 @ 0.00050846 = 0.3971 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20896 @ 0.00050846 = 10.6248 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32133 @ 0.00050846 = 16.3383 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17717 @ 0.00051 = 9.0357 BTC [+]
jurov: pity that my scalper needs update to use latest code. would have made a killing :P
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32604 @ 0.00051 = 16.628 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: and i'm not going to keep seling my own shares jsut because people keep wanting to buy them ;/
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 91270 @ 0.00051 = 46.5477 BTC [+]
smickles: 04:57 #bitcoin-assets: < sgornick> smickles: How long after 1 confirmation before the credit shows? << should be just about _at_ one confirm to show
smickles: heh, freemoney's fish is finally there
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44900 @ 0.00051 = 22.899 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32450 @ 0.00051 = 16.5495 BTC [+]
smickles: lol, i just witnessed the death of Nameworld
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32400 @ 0.00051 = 16.524 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: <smickles> lol, i just witnessed the death of Nameworld
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41950 @ 0.00051 = 21.3945 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33900 @ 0.00051 = 17.289 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31800 @ 0.00051 = 16.218 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29600 @ 0.00050884 = 15.0617 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23072 @ 0.00051 = 11.7667 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21600 @ 0.00050884 = 10.9909 BTC [-]
smickles: look, there's a bitcointalk.org fish now
mircea_popescu: From: "Erik Voorhees" I will never forgive you for eating my fish!!!!!
smickles: lol, "jaws" is blockchain.info
Namjies: I only put 0.10 so people register fishes under my name.
smickles: Namjies: well, until your ally takes a hit
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1700 @ 0.00050884 = 0.865 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28400 @ 0.00050652 = 14.3852 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3600 @ 0.00050633 = 1.8228 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6750 @ 0.00050633 = 3.4177 BTC [-]
smickles: ohsht, bitcointalk just ate a newb!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6700 @ 0.00050633 = 3.3924 BTC [-]
Namjies: While you guys play, I'm going to refer more people to Seals with Clubs.
mircea_popescu: Thank you for your help to test the game. Withdraw your funds plz and PM me with found bugs. If some bitcoins wasn't deposited then PM me with your tx id.
Namjies: He should just force withdrawals on all fishes...
Namjies: I'm sure many won't see that.
Namjies: I killed myself on you smickles. Withdraw now =P
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24500 @ 0.00051 = 12.495 BTC [+]
Namjies: Hmm... I can't wait to organize a freeroll on Seals.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21812 @ 0.00050633 = 11.0441 BTC [-]
Namjies: So they don't currently have enough CAD. So what?
smickles: if you write a mtgox bot, you'll know they have a strange system
smickles: you can buy usd, and they pair you with a cad seller, and run to their bank to get the usd
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30788 @ 0.00050481 = 15.5421 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15062 @ 0.00051 = 7.6816 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: do you know what it takes to pay back usd on an eur intake ?
Namjies: It wouldn't take me 5 seconds.
Namjies: Imagine I have a USD bank account and a CAD bank account. I have to transfer funds to one another and wait a few days for conversion & transfer to happen.
jurov: Namijes, did you saw the ticket date there?
mircea_popescu: man seriously, it is five seconds, i just make the order.
mircea_popescu: it takes me longer to authorise it than it takes the bank to execute it.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21691 @ 0.00051 = 11.0624 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: basically the only explanation i can see is that they are literally out of money
mircea_popescu: first by the entire dwolla bs, on the grounds that people know dwolla are assholla
mircea_popescu: now with cad, on the theory that "nobody cares about cad"
mircea_popescu: Namjies : what do youi mean what ? you can't be out of fiat. if you have one you have any.
Namjies: I've never seen instant processing of wire transfers.
mircea_popescu: Namjies why are we discussing wires ? we're discussing exchanging usd to cad or w/e
jurov: Namjies, even if they had some administrative issues to move funds to CAD acct, it's not possible it would take a month
Namjies: BECAUSE they'd have to transfer from a USD account and wire funds to their CAD account...
Namjies: Yes, it would not take a month. It would still not be instant.
jurov: and before all they plainly say "no funds" so i guess no wire transfer was even intended
mircea_popescu: you don't wire funds from your usd to your cad account.
mircea_popescu: it's instant, you just move them from your own usd account to your own cad account.
smickles: don't you just ask the bank to exchane it?
jurov: ofc, if they're in the same bank.. but that's beside the point for this situation
Namjies: That's assuming you have a single account at a single bank offering balances in all the currencies you want.
Namjies: They might have different banks for each currency.
mircea_popescu: Namjies if you don't you have no business offering this service.
smickles: lol, my local credit union will give me yen if i ask
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28937 @ 0.00050313 = 14.5591 BTC [-]
jurov: "beside the point" i mean they don't even mention bank wires or like
Namjies: They'll let you buy the currency, yes.
Namjies: They might not allow you to have an account denomited in that currency however.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18650 @ 0.00050313 = 9.3834 BTC [-]
smickles: if that's the case, they need a better bank
Namjies: OR considering the fee they take on BTC transactions, they might not be interested to convert USD to CAD and get hit by conversion fees for someone withdrawing 100 CAD or so.
Namjies: All would be bad business practice, yes.
jurov: it *is* bad business practice.. let the customer wait a month?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13800 @ 0.00051 = 7.038 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: anyway, when i said "buy ryals" i didn't mean get some banknotes (i'm not even sure i could have)
Namjies: Well if I ever need to do something like that, I'll inquire about it.
Namjies: I don't usually inquire about services I don't need.
mircea_popescu: hopefully you'd inquire before you run mtgox for 2 years
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3113 @ 0.00050313 = 1.5662 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19837 @ 0.00050225 = 9.9631 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: i started to talk about bitcoin on forex irc network
kakobrekla: 20:02.11 ( @JohnnyM ) kakobrekla: plug me into the matrix so you can download all this knowledge into my head lol
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40392 @ 0.00050225 = 20.2869 BTC [-]
Namjies: Why are those aggregated bid/asks cutting so abruptly into flat-tops?
Ukto: so Mr. Nefarious has started giving out asset lists?
Namjies: It's like even up to the last point, plenty of small step and suddenly... almost no orders
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3210 @ 0.00050225 = 1.6122 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16950 @ 0.00050014 = 8.4774 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18890 @ 0.00049931 = 9.432 BTC [-]
Ukto: know who else besides gigavps that have received the info?
Namjies: no BTC-BOND/KRAKEN thus far.
Ukto: Namjies: which asset is yours?
Ukto: ahh, thanks pigeons.
Ukto: yeah, I was just noticing that myself
smickles: i mean, s2cm wasn't all that big, but ibb was tiny
Ukto: I expected to see some others before IBB
Ukto: but mebbe its cause its small
pigeons: well ibb is also one of the oldest still running
smickles: Ukto: he claimed to be going from largest to smallest
Ukto: pigeons: well, I am about to turn my system on. gonna add api trading tonight/tomorrow.
Ukto: all the tests have been great
Ukto: pigeons: you have an account. LOL
smickles: "long time member of the bitcoin community"
Ukto: its in test mode, so no deposits, or withdraws atm
Ukto: wouldnt want someone to accidentally "donate" ;)
pigeons: ok, when i tested it was under hashpower downain
Ukto: nah, almost a literal glbse clone
Ukto: but adding more features, and a nicer interface
Ukto: while easily recognizable
Ukto: this is bitcoin. any tos other than that is a lie
Ukto: i hate all the ppl who write all the proper crap, and it turns out to be bs
Ukto: I have been handling lots of btc for quite a few ppl for a while now, and am heavily invested, I dont plan to run away anytime w/ anything.
Ukto: I like the community. heh
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8800 @ 0.00050276 = 4.4243 BTC [+]
Ukto: I have an asset list import system && claim system based on the way info was presented to Goat a few months ago
Ukto: havent seen the new list stuff yet to make sure its the same
pigeons: giga said its csv with email, #shares held, btc address provided,
Namjies: Hah, much shorter than my TOS
Namjies: Not really the same area...
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21050 @ 0.00050881 = 10.7105 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16158 @ 0.00050881 = 8.2214 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14359 @ 0.00051 = 7.3231 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4400 @ 0.00050292 = 2.2128 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49691 @ 0.00051 = 25.3424 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32400 @ 0.00050292 = 16.2946 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6577 @ 0.00049931 = 3.284 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32579 @ 0.00051 = 16.6153 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17200 @ 0.00049931 = 8.5881 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 254 @ 0.00049931 = 0.1268 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25846 @ 0.00049891 = 12.8948 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8654 @ 0.00049891 = 4.3176 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12846 @ 0.00049888 = 6.4086 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13800 @ 0.00051 = 7.038 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20000 @ 0.00051 = 10.2 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24511 @ 0.00050595 = 12.4013 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21839 @ 0.00050351 = 10.9962 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25161 @ 0.00050351 = 12.6688 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24754 @ 0.00049888 = 12.3493 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14896 @ 0.00049862 = 7.4274 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29350 @ 0.00049862 = 14.6345 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7854 @ 0.00049862 = 3.9162 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15150 @ 0.00049711 = 7.5312 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25901 @ 0.00049672 = 12.8655 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10395 @ 0.00049659 = 5.1621 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29182 @ 0.00049913 = 14.5656 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2455 @ 0.00049659 = 1.2191 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15639 @ 0.00049965 = 7.814 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15811 @ 0.00051 = 8.0636 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50550 @ 0.00051 = 25.7805 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33285 @ 0.00051 = 16.9754 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18100 @ 0.00050994 = 9.2299 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11600 @ 0.00050994 = 5.9153 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44540 @ 0.00051 = 22.7154 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11700 @ 0.00051 = 5.967 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44842 @ 0.00051 = 22.8694 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49600 @ 0.00051 = 25.296 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17623 @ 0.00051 = 8.9877 BTC [+]