Azelphur: smickles: good that it got removed
Namjies: People have indeed accused bitcoins of being a ponzi.
Namjies: That section didn't state if that was right or no, just that some people claimed so.
Namjies: There was a few linked articles.
smickles: and don't link to a source saying that people say it has been accused of being a ponzi
Azelphur: Namjies: that kind of thing is stupid to have on an article lol
Azelphur: on that basis I accuse the US president of being a prostitute
smickles: lol, Namjies those refrences never said who accused it of being a ponzi
Azelphur: yea, wikipedia is meant to be about facts :p
smickles: not even so low as some forum nick
Namjies: Yeah, well just make sure your name is in the news as a crazy nutjob claiming the president is a prostitute.
Namjies: Once it's quoted in reputable newspapers, we can add a section on wikipedia.
smickles: heh, they don't usually give the names of people saying baseless things
Namjies: "Name has blocked bridge/shot people/other claiming the President is a prostitute. The incident... President's reaction..."
smickles: isn't that part of the point in haveing it removed?
Namjies: I said make sure your name is in the news.
smickles: noone reputable actually accused bitcoin of being a ponzi
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Namjies: You can get something included in wikipedia anyway by creating a large commotion worth mentioning.
smickles: reputable institutions said that someone heard it said that...
Namjies: So long as that incident is big enough.
Namjies: And whatever you were screaming/saying could very well end up quoted in a wikipedia article.
Namjies: As it's a relevant information to the fact (the "incident")
Namjies: You have to think around the limitations.
smickles: Namjies: do you think the original statement implied that it actually is a ponzi?
Namjies: No. But I know that's not how the general public would read it.
smickles: "Some criticize Bitcoin for being a [[Ponzi scheme]]..."
smickles: I don't quite se how that doesn't imply it is a ponzi
smickles: it basically says, it's a ponzi, and some criticize it b/c of that
Namjies: It just says some people think it is a Ponzi.
smickles: that would be "Some criticize Bitcoin, claiming it is a [[Ponzi scheme]].." tho
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38300 @ 0.00050873 = 19.4844 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7841 @ 0.00050853 = 3.9874 BTC [-]
smickles: "some criticize smickles for being a human"
Namjies: When you criticize something for being X, X is not necessarily proven.
Namjies: "some criticize smickles for being a douche" The point is not proven but someone is criticizing you for it.
smickles: google says it's "Indicate the faults of (someone or something) in a disapproving way", and fault as "An unattractive or unsatisfactory feature", that sound to me as if it was something that is proven
Namjies: Or criticize can simply mean you judged something to be X based on what you see.
jurov: yes, i parse such sentence like they're criticizing known fact
smickles: anywah, that's the crux of the debate
jurov: then i have to retrace anf think maybe it's not a fact, jsut assumption
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Namjies: "We'll proceed this way, it works because" -> "This cannot possibly work because"
Namjies: "some criticized the plan as being impossible"
Namjies: Perfectly valid usage, yet it doesn't prove what you criticize is true.
Namjies: You can criticize anything for being anything.
jurov: id doesn't proves, just implies
jurov: implication that can be pretty damning, too
Namjies: It implies the person who criticize it believes it's a fact/fault
Namjies: "Some people criticize the US government for not being a democracy" <--
Namjies: The person criticizing implies something, but it's not a proven fact.
Namjies: I would have read it as being a Ponzi if they said the owner/administrator admitted it was a ponzi and could link to articles/investigation/reports/etc quoting/claiming so.
jurov: Namjies, yeah, but i wouldn't rely on that in election campaign, for example :p
jurov: there's thorretical semantics and there's practice
Namjies: and I don't rely on someone criticizing something as a Ponzi to be a proof it is...
Namjies: so I didn't read the statement as saying Bitcoin was a Ponzi.
Namjies: But yes, it was not worth the mention on wikipedia.
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5800 @ 0.00051 = 2.958 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26950 @ 0.00051 = 13.7445 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51100 @ 0.00051 = 26.061 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5900 @ 0.00051 = 3.009 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25655 @ 0.00051 = 13.0841 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40100 @ 0.00051 = 20.451 BTC [+]
smickles: oooh, Namjies Sudoghost commented on my article
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4479 @ 0.00050698 = 2.2708 BTC [-]
Namjies: If the tidbit was reworded to "has been accused of", I'd be quite fine with it.
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8188 @ 0.00050817 = 4.1609 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25720 @ 0.00051 = 13.1172 BTC [+]
smickles: I'm actually a little suprised that sudoghost say my blog, that page has only had 170 views, and that's about half as many as the biggest fish page has had
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32801 @ 0.00050698 = 16.6295 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18029 @ 0.00050667 = 9.1348 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5571 @ 0.00050667 = 2.8227 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35629 @ 0.00050438 = 17.9706 BTC [-]
gribble: Estimated time of bitcoin block reward halving: Thu Nov 29 02:40:44 2012 UTC | Time remaining: 6 days, 2 hours, 50 minutes, and 0 seconds.
smickles: You still expect the exghange rate to go apeshit here sooN?
smickles: if you trust icbit, there are still futures pretty low
smickles: and that's still 30 cents away
smickles: I finally got my wife to stop acting like a drunk person (bringing a whole tree into the house)
smickles: lol, timesink, that one should be
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17879 @ 0.00050336 = 8.9996 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 123638 @ 0.00051 = 63.0554 BTC [+]
smickles: yeah, I didn't look into it far enough to find out why you were redacted
mircea_popescu: smickles you wouldn't expect bitcoin magazine to make sense would you.
mircea_popescu: but the explanation is quite simple : everyone left. the only guy left is some schmuck from Ro by the name of mihai something
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23600 @ 0.00050893 = 12.0107 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18250 @ 0.00050781 = 9.2675 BTC [-]
pigeons: EskimoBob defrauded me, he lied that he owend one share of something usagi had, and usagi the honaorable said he didn't, so by some way i haven't figured out yet, bob scammed me
pigeons: oh sorry, should be "the honorable usagi"
thestringpuller: what was the mpcd series? I am still uninformed, I apologize.
mircea_popescu: it's on the forum somewhwere, i think if you search for mpcd it'll pop
pigeons: mircea_popescu issued cdoish things invested into such top rated securites as usagi's issues and patrick harnett
pigeons: well at the very least, they both stopped paying
mircea_popescu: smickles what's worth mentioning is that mpoe actually existed one week before bitcoinica.
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36516 @ 0.00051 = 18.6232 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16100 @ 0.00051012 = 8.2129 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11146 @ 0.00051025 = 5.6872 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: i'm curious if the biggest fish guy makes the changes proposed.
smickles: we'll see, did you actually point your article out to him?
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 12.26859, Best ask: 12.30000, Bid-ask spread: 0.03141, Last trade: 12.31000, 24 hour volume: 60247.09652593, 24 hour low: 11.67000, 24 hour high: 12.43000, 24 hour vwap: 12.08073
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21600 @ 0.00050436 = 10.8942 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22800 @ 0.0005035 = 11.4798 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25824 @ 0.00050595 = 13.0657 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35900 @ 0.00050615 = 18.1708 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9120 @ 0.00051025 = 4.6535 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9456 @ 0.00051035 = 4.8259 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27200 @ 0.00051035 = 13.8815 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9894 @ 0.00051035 = 5.0494 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16660 @ 0.0005104 = 8.5033 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25740 @ 0.0005104 = 13.1377 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26710 @ 0.00051052 = 13.636 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: why buy them out ? "very low barrier to entry" "anyone could make a game"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2490 @ 0.00051052 = 1.2712 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22860 @ 0.00051058 = 11.6719 BTC [+]
smickles: iirc, it's the most active online bitcoin poker site
dub: heh I put .2 in yesterday and attacked once, just woke up at im biggest fish
mircea_popescu: you're the goatse ? i fed you earlier a little. like the idea.
smickles: mircea_popescu: oh? i thought fremoney was significantly involved
mircea_popescu: smickles i don't know that he isn't, which is whuy im asking.
smickles: Ok, well, i'm asking them if they are related now :)
mircea_popescu: support : we are sorry but we are out of cash today and it was a holiday in japan.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34000 @ 0.00050548 = 17.1863 BTC [-]
pigeons: yes freemoney owns sealswithclubs and micon is paid as the pro and to promote last i heard
pigeons: owner of sealswithclubs bitcoin poker site
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28100 @ 0.00050672 = 14.2388 BTC [+]
smickles: kakobrekla: the question stemmed from my calling him famous
smickles: where he said he wanted to buy the fish game and make it 0-conf
kakobrekla: wait, doesnt the size of the fish reflect your odds of winning a battle
kakobrekla: I would probably play a .5 fish 20 times tho...
smickles: kakobrekla: i think that is a good position to hold tho
smickles: consider the reward of 90% of the larger fish to the odds of loss
smickles: and the odds of loss in consideration of 50% of your own weight
smickles: probabilistically, you want to aim at the fish which gives you the least odds of winning, so long as it is large enough compared to you
smickles: mircea_popescu: it varies based on the given fish weights
smickles: but it's: enemy*chance*.9 >= self*chance*.5
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2373 @ 0.00309664 = 7.3483 BTC [-]
smickles: and click "click here to read how to play"
mircea_popescu: can you just quote the thing here so i don't have to make a new fish ?
smickles: kk, one sec, i don't think i can copypasta
mircea_popescu: basically the way i see it, 100 btc fish A and 1 btc fish B
mircea_popescu: A stands to gain .5 and to lose 50, B to gain 50 and lose .5
mircea_popescu: the odds are 1:101 for B to win and 100:101 for A to win.
smickles: half the enemy is taken as winnings, and 90% of winnings go to you
smickles: but it's: enemy*chance*.5*.9 >= self*chance*.5
mircea_popescu: you realise you can just simplify "chance" out of that ?
smickles: yeah, now that I have all the data in there
smickles: self-chance = 1-enemy-chance tho
mircea_popescu: anyway, enemy weight * your chance to bite it should always be equal to your own weight.
smickles: if i've done it right, it makes sense to attack an 11 or higher fish when you are .1
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20850 @ 0.00050672 = 10.5651 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: the reason it makes sense to attack a large fish if you have more money than his weight is gambler's ruin
smickles: but you wouldn't expect to profit if the odds are a certain way
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11650 @ 0.00050672 = 5.9033 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32600 @ 0.00050903 = 16.5944 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4700 @ 0.00051058 = 2.3997 BTC [+]
smickles: according to my math, if the fish is 10, and you repeatedly go after it with a .1 fish, you should lose over the long haul average
smickles: and that's assuming I have the correct data to begin with
smickles: it could be dutch booked or something
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smickles: thestringpuller: but it's not gambling, it's advertising :)
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3760 @ 0.00051064 = 1.92 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14000 @ 0.00050689 = 7.0965 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18349 @ 0.00050548 = 9.2751 BTC [-]
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 593 @ 0.0005035 = 0.2986 BTC [-]
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13311 @ 0.00050323 = 6.6985 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2627 @ 0.00309664 = 8.1349 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2843 @ 0.00309982 = 8.8128 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 4530 @ 0.00313301 = 14.1925 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2270 @ 0.00313301 = 7.1119 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 130 @ 0.00339944 = 0.4419 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33889 @ 0.00050323 = 17.054 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15511 @ 0.00050251 = 7.7944 BTC [-]
dub: nefario is one unlucky fish
jcpham: splish splash i was taking a bath
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3489 @ 0.00050251 = 1.7533 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14931 @ 0.00050224 = 7.4989 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6319 @ 0.00050224 = 3.1737 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4481 @ 0.00050139 = 2.2467 BTC [-]
smickles: mircea_popescu: direct from sealswithclubs, when i asked who freemoney was "Hi Michael, I own and manage Seals and often handle customer support."
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35019 @ 0.00050139 = 17.5582 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1231 @ 0.00050051 = 0.6161 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 6000 @ 0.00337149 = 20.2289 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: Fox News claims in an exclusive report published this week that among the global taxes slated to be considered by the UN this year are a 1 percent tax on billionaires around the world, a “tiny” tax on all financial transactions worldwide and even yet another fee tacked on to already heavily-taxed airline tickets.
smickles: that thing they thought of after seeing hitler fail?
jcpham: smickles some might argue hitler was successful
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Namjies: Can someone explain how the UN can enforce taxing billionaires around the world? >.>
mircea_popescu: anyone still extending credit to a government these days is absolutely loony.
mircea_popescu: just sell the fucking tbills and forget govts even exist.
mircea_popescu: let them loan themselves imaginary money till they're blue in the ballsack.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10500 @ 0.0005068 = 5.3214 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29177 @ 0.0005068 = 14.7869 BTC [+]
sgornick: Looking at coinbr.com for the first time ... I see the dashboard but how would I create an order? (I have not funded the account, if that matters.)
Namjies: I'm building a rocket. Leaving this rock. Anyone with me?
sgornick: mircea_popescu: Does coinbr allow orders for MPOE options too?
rdponticelli: But you can't do much on the site without a balance...
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3970 @ 0.00051069 = 2.0274 BTC [+]
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6550 @ 0.00050676 = 3.3193 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27700 @ 0.00050195 = 13.904 BTC [-]
Azelphur: so many bitcoins that it's not even a number any more.
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18999 @ 0.00051072 = 9.7032 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3000 @ 0.00050215 = 1.5065 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22500 @ 0.00050214 = 11.2982 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: so is ANYONE left who's not working on, launching or trying to sell some sort of btc stock exchange ?
mircea_popescu: to think that only a few short months away everyone was pissing their pants thinking of the sec.
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10152 @ 0.00049851 = 5.0609 BTC [-]
Diablo-D3: dub: hey, are you still going to do your proxy when the block reward halves?
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3159 @ 0.00051073 = 1.6134 BTC [+]
Ukto: mircea_popescu: the SEC stuff was all false speculation from the get go
Ukto: some of us never "pissed out pants" and did what we wanted from teh get go :P
Ukto: mircea_popescu: is there anyone else who has a btc stock exchange thats been created since that is ready to launch ?
mircea_popescu: im not even sure how many there are anymore. 12 ? 20 ?
Ukto: actually launched/usable? :P
Ukto: I saw one the other day that was ahorrid green color
Ukto: nah, someone had linked it
Ukto: I cant stand forums
Ukto: so I avoid them like the plague
mircea_popescu: anyway, i just looked. your thing is something more like that btcjam disaster than straight exchange
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8559 @ 0.00051141 = 4.3772 BTC [+]
Ukto: right now its almost a literal glbse clone
Ukto: the kickstarter stuff will be added later
Ukto: most ppl have told me they dont want something differnt.
Ukto: they just want what worked, and what they knew
Ukto: so I did it, in a fashionable way.
Diablo-D3: have you decided if you'll allow zero coupon non-collable company bonds?
Ukto: until I come up with a plan for it
Ukto: ppl can use all the other wannabe's to scam ppl with those for now
Diablo-D3: what about just limited allowance of them?
Ukto: considered it, just havent worked it all the way through yet
Ukto: jsut wanna focus on the core system right now
Diablo-D3: well, if I launch DMC 2.0, thats the way I want to go with funding I think
Ukto: still have a few more important things, but wont hold back launch
Ukto: your considering that?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41074 @ 0.00050679 = 20.8159 BTC [-]
Ukto: so far of the ppl who have their asset lists from nefario
Ukto: 2 are considering my system
Diablo-D3: I could issue them across multiple exchanges I think
Diablo-D3: or just issue them to exchanges directly and have them do whatever
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6479 @ 0.00050679 = 3.2835 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3950 @ 0.00050251 = 1.9849 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9220 @ 0.00049851 = 4.5963 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13918 @ 0.0004985 = 6.9381 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1995 @ 0.00049819 = 0.9939 BTC [-]
Diablo-D3: Ukto: what I was thinking was this
Diablo-D3: issue "real" certificates as digitally signed certs
Diablo-D3: all numbered and signed with a pgp key used only for this and then locked away in a vault
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29071 @ 0.00049959 = 14.5236 BTC [+]
Diablo-D3: since no interest is paid, I dont have to worry about that blowing up because some exchange went south
Diablo-D3: and since its non-callable, what its actually worth is set in stone
mircea_popescu: "The BitForce SC chip is now in final stage development. Initial product delivery is scheduled for November, 2012."
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10041 @ 0.00051141 = 5.1351 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9059 @ 0.00051148 = 4.6335 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3675 @ 0.00051148 = 1.8797 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10399 @ 0.00051184 = 5.3226 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11526 @ 0.00051208 = 5.9022 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11629 @ 0.00050676 = 5.8931 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1571 @ 0.00049819 = 0.7827 BTC [-]
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: doesnt matter at this point
Diablo-D3: even if they ship, its still forever a scam
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25050 @ 0.00049819 = 12.4797 BTC [-]
Diablo-D3: they failed to ship, they are a scam.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21363 @ 0.00049819 = 10.6428 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22887 @ 0.00049789 = 11.3952 BTC [-]
Ukto: in the end, I will let anyone attempt to create an asset, and write it up. I will personally decide weather to greenlight it or not.
Ukto: does anyone have an excerpt from GLBSE's api page? :/
Ukto: I need to double check some things
Ukto: been digging around, but my googlefu has failed me
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34984 @ 0.00051211 = 17.9157 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3400 @ 0.00049925 = 1.6975 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9800 @ 0.00049924 = 4.8926 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25418 @ 0.00051211 = 13.0168 BTC [+]
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4194 @ 0.00051245 = 2.1492 BTC [+]
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2945 @ 0.00049924 = 1.4703 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35655 @ 0.00049921 = 17.7993 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: but i admire the drive to do things properly for once.
mircea_popescu: (for once i don't mean about you, i mean about bitcoin in general)
gigavps: you should send mpoe-pr into my thread to quote you on that
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2079 @ 0.00049921 = 1.0379 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16713 @ 0.00049789 = 8.3212 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6687 @ 0.00049755 = 3.3271 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25950 @ 0.00049755 = 12.9114 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 327 @ 0.00325681 = 1.065 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6478 @ 0.00049912 = 3.2333 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20359 @ 0.00051296 = 10.4434 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6791 @ 0.000513 = 3.4838 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63809 @ 0.000513 = 32.734 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8441 @ 0.00051301 = 4.3303 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18900 @ 0.00051124 = 9.6624 BTC [-]
PsychoticBoy: in short I will not send ID, proof of residence or anything
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6790 @ 0.00051358 = 3.4872 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6532 @ 0.00051124 = 3.3394 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3350 @ 0.00050956 = 1.707 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27668 @ 0.00050305 = 13.9184 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7532 @ 0.00050305 = 3.789 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8213 @ 0.00049755 = 4.0864 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21379 @ 0.00049706 = 10.6266 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10900 @ 0.00049707 = 5.4181 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2071 @ 0.00049706 = 1.0294 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10541 @ 0.00049618 = 5.2302 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22800 @ 0.00049531 = 11.2931 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4088 @ 0.00049479 = 2.0227 BTC [-]
gigavps: i haven't been looking forward to this
mircea_popescu: "as a lawyer, I hereby promise to be a lawyer and behave accordingly to the rules. if I don't, with or without this useless declaration I am still held liable"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4000 @ 0.0004948 = 1.9792 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8400 @ 0.00049479 = 4.1562 BTC [-]
pigeons: "and if i i ever give advice like the law student nefario met in a sandwich shop, i will step down"
mircea_popescu: PsychoticBoy seems to me more like the recognition of how fucked up things are than any sort of loophole.
mircea_popescu: probably an ultimately doomed but otherwise brave attempt to plug all loopholes.
pigeons: giga likely paid a lot for his counsel, so he's likely to follow it
gigavps: pigeons you still in town?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20950 @ 0.00049844 = 10.4423 BTC [+]
Ukto: I concur, giga has or will be paying quite a bit for them to handle the volume
PsychoticBoy: I will take ABM/PGM to a lawyer too, send info or never get paid mwuhahaha
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11592 @ 0.00049479 = 5.7356 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24100 @ 0.00049478 = 11.9242 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2358 @ 0.00049453 = 1.1661 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: PsychoticBoy expect the laywer to want to be paid up front tho
PsychoticBoy: I can pay, thats not the point, Its the whole ¨its not my responsibility anymore go to my lawyer¨ thing that stings me
mircea_popescu: well people will have to at the very least sign a renounciation of claim
PsychoticBoy: giga is off, probably got to hot under his feet
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40500 @ 0.00049467 = 20.0341 BTC [+]
Ukto: he was the largest glbse asset
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22818 @ 0.00049844 = 11.3734 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22600 @ 0.00049919 = 11.2817 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9400 @ 0.00050348 = 4.7327 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34350 @ 0.00050348 = 17.2945 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27060 @ 0.00050348 = 13.6242 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16300 @ 0.00049896 = 8.133 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: I think part of the problem is that we’re looking at it from two different viewpoints. I’m looking for what’s going to help the Wikipedia article, and others are looking for what’s going to help the subject itself, Bitcoin.
mircea_popescu: these idiots think this little trick of framing the discussion is such pure unadulterated genius
mircea_popescu: uh-oh, make way for the wikiretard framing the discussion team.
mircea_popescu: #1 reason nobody of any worth bothers with that spamsite.
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7118 @ 0.00049509 = 3.5241 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31258 @ 0.00050348 = 15.7378 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26950 @ 0.00049961 = 13.4645 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7250 @ 0.00050348 = 3.6502 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 940 @ 0.00050348 = 0.4733 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53200 @ 0.00050712 = 26.9788 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6010 @ 0.00051358 = 3.0866 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12450 @ 0.00051358 = 6.3941 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17600 @ 0.00049755 = 8.7569 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9200 @ 0.00050587 = 4.654 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 468 @ 0.00049755 = 0.2329 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: so who was saying i'm in for a loads of pressure from the sec ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38395 @ 0.00050608 = 19.4309 BTC [+]
smickles: <@rg> but im going to go ahead and merge bitvps >> my new job << what does this mean for s.bvps shareholders? Will they be bought out?
smickles: mircea_popescu: ^ from #bitvps
smickles: rg was last active there at 5:35 utc (it's now 18:30)
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11582 @ 0.00049755 = 5.7626 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13618 @ 0.00049669 = 6.7639 BTC [-]
sgornick: > to think that only a few short months away everyone was pissing their pants thinking of the sec.
sgornick: "typical KickStarter deals won’t naturally transfer to equity crowdfunding and the vast majority of startup founders won’t receive any help at all from the JOBS Act"
sgornick: i.e., lots of need for these, as we decide technology can enable what the law won't.
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19545 @ 0.00049509 = 9.6765 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5155 @ 0.00049768 = 2.5655 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6674 @ 0.00050072 = 3.3418 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32600 @ 0.00049509 = 16.1399 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: sgornick there's some huge problems with funding start-ups via btc however.
mircea_popescu: btc being able to help is by no means a foregone conclusion
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13500 @ 0.00049954 = 6.7438 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17230 @ 0.00049932 = 8.6033 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: smickles : "There were no "suspicious" motives involved here. I would have gladly thrown in MPEX had I remembered that it has BTC options available. That's it. I just overlooked you. I'm sorry. (And by the way it's fixed now)"
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11350 @ 0.00050072 = 5.6832 BTC [+]
smickles: mircea_popescu: heh, yeah. a part of me responded with BS, and another part wanted to respond with "well, I put it that way because it was just a little sensational"
mircea_popescu: your blogger career is starting pretty good if mag journalists are already apologizing to you
mircea_popescu: anyway, i think someone sorta-competent bought a chunk of bitfinex interest or some sort of deal
smickles: according to my log, i started with about 100 'unique' visitors, and it has been doubling every day since
smickles: if the trend holds, in a month, the entire planet should be reading my blog
smickles: < PsychoticBoy> gigavps << scammer tag request @ theymos
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49761 @ 0.00049509 = 24.6362 BTC [-]
JWU42: PsychoticBoy: that seems a bit extreme
PsychoticBoy: not extreme, a lawyer taking over<< thats extreme
JWU42: So if YABMC were to follow a similar claims process then I egt a scammer tag too ;)
PsychoticBoy: He fed himself with my btc so now its time to pay
PsychoticBoy: I have 300btc in yabmc and more than 500 btc in Giga
PsychoticBoy: He got the shareholders info so.... he can pay us
PsychoticBoy: giga`s lawyer does not need my ID to pay me back so whats the point
PsychoticBoy: before asking a scammer tag i n public, I will make a thread in the staff forum and let the staff vote
PsychoticBoy: thats what i think, He covers his ass and does not pay shit, << scammer action
dub: that is fucking gold
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PsychoticBoy: hmmmnz should not be long till someone hires a hitman on tor
PsychoticBoy: this kinda scamming action makes my blood boil
smickles: "What I don't understand is why S.DICE is going to IPO on this penny-ante exchange instead of GLBSE. I think that Mr. E.V.'s ideological fetishes might be putting the business sensibilities in the back seat. Which is dangerous for investors."
PsychoticBoy: Still hoping Gigavps will make up his mind and just pay divs and final buyback to our addresses
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6268 @ 0.00049502 = 3.1028 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1day: 0.00309664 / 0.00323838 / 0.00339944 (33993 shares, 110.08 BTC), 30day: 0.00180002 / 0.00332148 / 0.0034 (903448 shares, 3,000.79 BTC)
smickles: it hit .0034 in the past 30 days, eh?
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17200 @ 0.00049745 = 8.5561 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3570 @ 0.00050072 = 1.7876 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1432 @ 0.00049502 = 0.7089 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6198 @ 0.00049467 = 3.066 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: there is a funny aspect of the entire glbse thing. the mylawyr people specialise in :
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53400 @ 0.00050596 = 27.0183 BTC [+]
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16806 @ 0.0005025 = 8.445 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: GLBSE'D Definition: You invest coins in a bitcoin project and that project uses your coins to hire a lawyer who proceeds to use legal avenues to make it practically impossible you will get your bitcoins back.
mircea_popescu: pity the glbbq name is too long and so it'll never take
matthewh3: I'm moving RSM to -
https://btct.co - they email the asset issuer a full shareholders list every twelve hours. So no problem if the exchange ever goes dark. There based in Belize and have a lawyer.
mircea_popescu: what happens if you lose the email box/someone jacks it ?
matthewh3: I use Gmail with a very secure password.
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7865 @ 0.00050726 = 3.9896 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9735 @ 0.00051153 = 4.9797 BTC [+]
matthewh3: but when I log-in its HTTPS so my password is safe.
mircea_popescu: "the only thing that comes up for "Christmas" on bitmit is a Canadian silver coin."
mircea_popescu: jesus fuck, what is the point of making a black friday event
mircea_popescu: if then xmas is going to plow right into your nude ass ?
matthewh3: plus I'd only ever use a Windoze PC that is locked down like in a library.
gigavps: PsychoticBoy if you would like to say things about me, say them when I'm here
smickles: some guy doing a martingale got lucky, then lost it
gigavps: gamblers only talk when they win
smickles: he hawa all coy, like, "i won't tell you how I was betting"
smickles: then dooglas posted a tx log, and was liek " 'tis you bro"
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7631 @ 0.0005031 = 3.8392 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9794 @ 0.0005025 = 4.9215 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20375 @ 0.00049745 = 10.1355 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2925 @ 0.00049745 = 1.455 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18100 @ 0.00049679 = 8.9919 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 375 @ 0.00049566 = 0.1859 BTC [-]
PsychoticBoy: You re up for scammer tag, since you have shareholders data and thus are able to pay up
PsychoticBoy: and after that you probably see the same future as trendon shavers
gigavps: i am trying to pay people legally
PsychoticBoy: so best thing is to just pay to the addresses in the info you got from glbse
PsychoticBoy: yes and obtained most funds from illigal activities
gigavps: i'm sorry you feel this way
PsychoticBoy: no you are tricking ppl with your unsigned lawyer note
PsychoticBoy: I can pay 2k on tor to hunt you down but I wont
PsychoticBoy: I wait till you get back to your senses and pay just like its meant to be
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7330 @ 0.00050282 = 3.6857 BTC [+]
PsychoticBoy: at this point no one in the right mind would do all 6 points mentiont in the mail
PsychoticBoy: probably point 6 is impossible so there you go
gigavps: should be pretty easy to write a note that said you own the bonds and the bitcoin addy
PsychoticBoy: because it requires notoried, would cost you lots of euro`s
gigavps: well, that is your assumption
smickles: wow, notorizing is expensive in europe?
gigavps: many people have already submitted the info
smickles: i know a few accountants who offer it at no charge
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25580 @ 0.00050703 = 12.9698 BTC [+]
gigavps: PsychoticBoy tbe only person keeping you from making the claim is you
PsychoticBoy: I will let the staff of bitcointalk vote for you to be marked as scammer before making a public scammer tag request, cause these requirements make no sense at all
PsychoticBoy: I did not need an ID to buy from you so I wont need it now
PsychoticBoy: so you took my money and now walks unless..... strange
smickles: heh, tell that to mtgox when you hit their aml limits
jcpham: gigavpa i owned like over 9000 gigamining bonds
jcpham: i doubt gigavps is scammy
PsychoticBoy: I am almost at the point to invest another 2k btc in giga