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jurov: false alarm :/
mircea_popescu: lol why sad ?
jurov: i enjoy finding such bugs
mircea_popescu: :p
jurov: but it was "only" a 40sec delay
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9840 @ 0.000525 = 5.166 BTC [+]
jurov: with all these discussions maybe we'll see MPOE-PR starting penis drawing contest on btctalk
mircea_popescu: lol, are you good at it ?
jurov: don't know, never tried
gigavps: evening
jurov: evening
mircea_popescu: so no tag for you
mircea_popescu: come back, 1 year!
gigavps: seems not today
mircea_popescu: huh, was SR offline for two weeks ?!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11590 @ 0.000525 = 6.0848 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052522 = 1.2316 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1000 @ 0.00052543 = 0.5254 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13098 @ 0.00052544 = 6.8822 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23100 @ 0.00052592 = 12.1488 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8657 @ 0.00052623 = 4.5556 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: and why has the press settled on "semi-anonymous" to describe bitcoin
smickles: mircea_popescu: yeah, kinda makes you wonder why anyone thinks it's a significant part of the economy
mircea_popescu: there's no such thing. btc is pseudonymous.
smickles: b/c pseudo is too big of a prefix
smickles: we're talkin' 'bout 'merica
mircea_popescu: ima gonna start talking of pseudo tractor trailers.
gigavps: mircea_popescu bitcoin oz seems to have an affinity for you
jurov: pseudoconductors
gigavps: and i did not know he was a glbse shareholder
mircea_popescu: gigavps he changed his name. it's dave hollis.
gigavps: hmmm, i feel like he's trying to stir the pot
gigavps: i guess this is to be expected
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052564 = 1.2326 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6372 @ 0.000525 = 3.3453 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42628 @ 0.000525 = 22.3797 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.0005258 = 1.233 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19205 @ 0.00052623 = 10.1062 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5638 @ 0.00052623 = 2.9669 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35112 @ 0.00052637 = 18.4819 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1600 @ 0.00332909 = 5.3265 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3559 @ 0.00052637 = 1.8734 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25941 @ 0.00052637 = 13.6546 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052546 = 1.2322 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18600 @ 0.000525 = 9.765 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7655 @ 0.00052501 = 4.019 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12810 @ 0.00052637 = 6.7428 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29600 @ 0.000525 = 15.54 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052582 = 1.233 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4649 @ 0.00052637 = 2.4471 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16228 @ 0.00052723 = 8.5559 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39750 @ 0.00052723 = 20.9574 BTC [+]
Namjies: Ukto
Namjies: There's no token/code/anything
Namjies: just email+btc address+# shares
Namjies: Did you have any BTC-MINING shares?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052554 = 1.2324 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7155 @ 0.000525 = 3.7564 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21050 @ 0.000525 = 11.0513 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35400 @ 0.0005237 = 18.539 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26900 @ 0.00052275 = 14.062 BTC [-]
Namjies: smickles...
Namjies: you had many subaccount on GLBSE right? ...
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 900 @ 0.00339816 = 3.0583 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 600 @ 0.00332909 = 1.9975 BTC [-]
Namjies: mircea_popescu, I think I'm noticing a trend.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052661 = 1.2349 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22760 @ 0.00052723 = 11.9998 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: which is ?
Namjies: It seems some who were not on the lists are issuers like me and smickles or Diablo-D3 (with subaccounts).
Namjies: We received 1 payment for the balance of each payment account... so multiple payments...
Diablo-D3: yeah
Diablo-D3: but Ive gotten paid out on all three accounts
Namjies: When Nefario generated the lists, he probably excluded those who received more than one payment.
Diablo-D3: er all four
Diablo-D3: diablo, diablo:dmc, diablo:bflsuccess, diablo:bflfail
Namjies: Which didn't include pretty much anyone with subaccounts, not just people who received double payments.
Namjies: That could explain the screw up. The only asset list I know I'm included on is my own lists.
Namjies: Technically, I can't make the difference between shares owned in each account. They're aggregated as one in my list.
mircea_popescu: oh
Diablo-D3: problem is, I was never double paid
mircea_popescu: so he... fucked up the unfucking up of the multipay fuckup ?
Diablo-D3: and even if I was, wouldnt nefario have emailed me?
Namjies: No, but you received multiple payments.
Diablo-D3: yeah, one for each
Diablo-D3: and no duplicates
Namjies: If his script checked only for that, even if they were not duplicates, the script might have excluded you from lists.
Namjies: I doubt he automatically generated them.
Namjies: Is what I mean.
Diablo-D3: he should have
Diablo-D3: its like easy shmeezy perl
Diablo-D3: this is like perl one liner material
Namjies: I meant I doubt he manually generated them*
Diablo-D3: oh
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052336 = 1.2273 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8013 @ 0.00052275 = 4.1888 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10897 @ 0.00052034 = 5.6701 BTC [-]
Diablo-D3: so basically he flagged everyone who he paid per sub account?
Diablo-D3: what a fucker
mircea_popescu: ok. proper S.MPOE contract up... http://polimedia.us/bitcoin/mpex.php?mpsic=S.MPOE
Namjies: I'm just assuming he was putting an "OK" check on anyone who sent back a double-payment.
mircea_popescu: please everyone error hunt
Diablo-D3: Namjies: but he never contacted me
mircea_popescu: smickles jurov Namjies ^
Diablo-D3: he knows my email
Namjies: Then used a script who excluded anyone receiving more than 1 payment and who was not OK'ed
Diablo-D3: its public
Diablo-D3: infact both my emails are public, he knows Im a forum mod, he knows Im on irc, he knows Im on github
Diablo-D3: he also knows I have a blog
Namjies: He might not even have realized asset issuers were not included in the lists.
Namjies: If he's not manually making them.
Diablo-D3: _wtf_
Diablo-D3: no wonder glbse failed
Diablo-D3: hes a shitty coder
Diablo-D3: yup, I recieved 4 payments from my glbse address
Namjies: Although no... Usagi was included on my list.
Namjies: And he had many assets.
Namjies: I forgot about that.
Diablo-D3: 7 and 27 (success and fail), 0.04 and 0.01 (dmc and myself)
Diablo-D3: yeah but I dont know how he ran his assets
Diablo-D3: he could have had a glbse account per
Diablo-D3: oh wait nm
Diablo-D3: asset creation causes sub accounts no matter what
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12274 @ 0.00052034 = 6.3867 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9292 @ 0.0005189 = 4.8216 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: Diablo-D3 i didn;'t know you had a blog
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: yeah, its been linked on slashdot's front page three times among other honors
Diablo-D3: I should write for it more but meh
mircea_popescu: so link ?
pigeons: shit nefario could have manually paid all the customers by now quicker than this and with less errors
Diablo-D3: http://adterrasperaspera.com/
mircea_popescu: pigeons even if he had no arms
mircea_popescu: and used like, his cock
mircea_popescu: Diablo-D3 ill pay you a bitcoin if you write an article about either mpex or trilema.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052661 = 1.2349 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7682 @ 0.00052723 = 4.0502 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14400 @ 0.00052735 = 7.5938 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10975 @ 0.00052741 = 5.7883 BTC [+]
smickles: 00:27 < Namjies> you had many subaccount on GLBSE right? ... <<< yes
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: heh, I dont even write about dmc on my blog
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11914 @ 0.00052741 = 6.2836 BTC [+]
smickles: mircea_popescu: that contract should make s.mpoe more easily understood
mircea_popescu: i would hope so
Diablo-D3: hrm smickles
mircea_popescu: will leave it like this for a little then sign it
Diablo-D3: were you here when I was talking about DMC 2.0?
mircea_popescu: would really appreciate open source typo finding etc.
smickles: I don't think so Diablo-D3
Diablo-D3: smickles: okay so
Diablo-D3: shares like I had with DMC were a complete failure
Diablo-D3: so I dont want to go that route again
Diablo-D3: what I want to do is OID coupon non-callable corporate bonds
Diablo-D3: issue them serial numbered and pgp signed using a single use key then burn/bury the key
Diablo-D3: smickles: so what do you think?
smickles: heh, well, it sounds workable, but i'm an accountant, you might want to ask a lawyer/underwriter for advice
Diablo-D3: bitcoin doesnt have any
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052536 = 1.232 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28700 @ 0.00052487 = 15.0638 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7200 @ 0.00052376 = 3.7711 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12105 @ 0.0005189 = 6.2813 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052677 = 1.2353 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11027 @ 0.00052741 = 5.8158 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24269 @ 0.00052743 = 12.8002 BTC [+]
smickles: i dunno, I think there are a few out ther
smickles: but if you have a question about receivables, payables, payroll, and a myriad of other related things, I might be a good one to ask
smickles: after the bonds are written, i know how to deal with them :)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00051954 = 1.2183 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8251 @ 0.0005189 = 4.2814 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7904 @ 0.00051362 = 4.0597 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38000 @ 0.00051362 = 19.5176 BTC [-]
Namjies: I suppose you're not qualified at all to fill Canadian tax reports eh.
Namjies: I'll have to find myself an accountant.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00051824 = 1.2153 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8455 @ 0.00051867 = 4.3854 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27216 @ 0.00051867 = 14.1161 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20243 @ 0.00052035 = 10.5334 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13350 @ 0.00051702 = 6.9022 BTC [-]
smickles: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3ABitcoin&diff=524732413&oldid=524729775
smickles: srsly
mircea_popescu: summary ?
smickles: mircea_popescu: dude keeps going on about how peeps use the wrong definition of a ponzi, i do a line by line contrast of the sec's definition of a ponzi and Bitcoin
mircea_popescu: there is a supreme court definition
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25890 @ 0.00051702 = 13.3856 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22810 @ 0.00052035 = 11.8692 BTC [+]
smickles: the guy kept going on about the SEC's definition tho
smickles: if he want's to move the goalposts again, let him
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: is this that zeroshadow or w/e guy ?
smickles: SudoGhost
mircea_popescu: ya
mircea_popescu: http://www.stevequayle.com/index.php?s=33&d=196
mircea_popescu: this is kinda funny.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00051416 = 1.2057 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3196 @ 0.00051362 = 1.6415 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19500 @ 0.00051343 = 10.0119 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11528 @ 0.00051085 = 5.8891 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9431 @ 0.00050865 = 4.7971 BTC [-]
smickles: lol
smickles: Boniek stated that he was in control of the court and dismissed the case against himself.""
smickles: The policeman pointed to Boniek's waistband, which was covered with sweater and coat. The policeman suggested that Boniek was concealing a handgun, <<< what a fucking bitch
gigavps: just when you though hacking wasn't for girls -> http://scanlime.org/2012/11/hacking-my-vagina/
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00051491 = 1.2075 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15050 @ 0.00051536 = 7.7562 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5347 @ 0.00052035 = 2.7823 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3950 @ 0.00052341 = 2.0675 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12059 @ 0.00052393 = 6.3181 BTC [+]
smickles: mircea_popescu: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/13qosb/comparison_of_bitcoin_and_the_sec_definition_of_a/c769y0i
mircea_popescu: curious how tjhat'll go.
smickles: well, there is already an appeal that anyone else stand on the side of SudoGhost
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39300 @ 0.00052149 = 20.4946 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19500 @ 0.00051603 = 10.0626 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8200 @ 0.00050865 = 4.1709 BTC [-]
smickles: well, when your wife asks you to give her the ruler...
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00050907 = 1.1938 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26919 @ 0.00050865 = 13.6923 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24450 @ 0.00050705 = 12.3974 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: on the bottom ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21300 @ 0.00050638 = 10.7859 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19200 @ 0.00050621 = 9.7192 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14680 @ 0.00050621 = 7.4312 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22920 @ 0.00050617 = 11.6014 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1250 @ 0.00332909 = 4.1614 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15583 @ 0.00050617 = 7.8876 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4547 @ 0.00050617 = 2.3016 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22306 @ 0.0005059 = 11.2846 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 544 @ 0.0005059 = 0.2752 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30649 @ 0.00050556 = 15.4949 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19807 @ 0.00050469 = 9.9964 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29895 @ 0.00050469 = 15.0877 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16855 @ 0.00050463 = 8.5055 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1986 @ 0.00050705 = 1.007 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24864 @ 0.00051272 = 12.7483 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29545 @ 0.00050463 = 14.9093 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24755 @ 0.0005032 = 12.4567 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00050915 = 1.194 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9605 @ 0.00050983 = 4.8969 BTC [+]
smickles: 12.5 on gox
smickles: nifty
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6845 @ 0.00050983 = 3.4898 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4936 @ 0.00051272 = 2.5308 BTC [+]
smickles: ;;calc [ticker --last] * 0.00051272 * 1000000000
gribble: 6417664.968
mircea_popescu: smickles what did icbit close at ?
smickles: 11.89585
mircea_popescu: i see
smickles: it's been about the same for 3 days now
mircea_popescu: ridoinculous.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1000 @ 0.00052392 = 0.5239 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26503 @ 0.00052393 = 13.8857 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: ;;tslb
gribble: Time since last block: 32 minutes and 27 seconds
smickles: i could buy it all the way to 12.5 right now, but this volatility on gox is getting out of hand, i'm not sure if a sharp dip is around the corner or not
mircea_popescu: aren't these things supposed to be 6 minutes apart.
smickles: 10
smickles: on average
mircea_popescu: right. even so...
mircea_popescu: re icbit : i wouldn't buy up to anything on full leverage.
smickles: it'd take about half my (personal) margin
mircea_popescu: that may be sustainable.
smickles: i've got a bid at 11.8, that's where my spooky sense starts tingling
jcpham: so smickles
smickles: so jcpham
jcpham: those 160btc in s2cm shares are gone now
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17123 @ 0.00051696 = 8.8519 BTC [-]
jcpham: because nefario is a cunt
jcpham: correct?
smickles: i dunno, was there news that he's not giving us info?
jcpham: have i properly summarized the situation?
smickles: he's given back info to some people
mircea_popescu: 4 a day. on average.
mircea_popescu: if 4 is 3 and day is week.
jcpham: ic
smickles: if we get infos, we're liquidating and paying the shareholders
jcpham: i'm going to have to say all bitcoin site admins are cunts
jcpham: going forwards
jcpham: history has meaning and it should never be ignored
smickles: did you file an account claim with glbse?
jcpham: i logged in and submitted said details
mircea_popescu: jcpham i go backwards...
jcpham: under duress if subpoened
smickles: well, you've done all that i know you can
jcpham: mircea_popescu you can be in cunt club if you want
jcpham: it's invite only
mircea_popescu: unfair generalisation. i was trading when pirate was just a tyke.
mircea_popescu: i was in business when bitcoinica was getting started
mircea_popescu: i was here throughout. you can't say ALL.
mircea_popescu: so nyah.
jcpham: show me the screenshots
smickles: jcpham: render me an opinion of that widget on the right under the search bar http://blog.smickles.com/
jcpham: no romanian blog bullshit either
mircea_popescu: what'd you like to see ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00050382 = 1.1815 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1295 @ 0.0005032 = 0.6516 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14720 @ 0.00050294 = 7.4033 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9245 @ 0.00050198 = 4.6408 BTC [-]
jcpham: mircea_popescu jon matonis was sharing your blog the other day
smickles: jcpham: re the bitcoinica mention, i can vouch that mpoe was there before bitcoinica
jcpham: you'll have to clean up your act
smickles: it was an email interface, but it worked
mircea_popescu: 6395 kreal 58 mircea_popescu 2011-07-26 05:10:22 1 sold 60 bitcoins, payment first. no problems.
mircea_popescu: there.
mircea_popescu: jcpham oh ?
jcpham: -otc is a joke and can't be trusted
mircea_popescu: so what, kreal lied about me buying 60 btc last july ?
jcpham: WHAT!?!
jcpham: OMG WHAT did he say
jcpham: yep.
mircea_popescu: uhm
smickles: jcpham: can i have some of what you're drinking?
jcpham: no!
mircea_popescu: lol
smickles: ;P
mircea_popescu: he's drinking 17 yo virgin girl tears from hard spanking
mircea_popescu: mixed with goose breastmilk
jcpham: makes me invisible
smickles: :o
mircea_popescu: ;;tslb
gribble: Time since last block: 2 minutes and 1 second
jcpham: i was just joking but not really
jcpham: about all of that
jcpham: whatever i said
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: so what about my act ?
jcpham: thankfully we haven't crossed swords yet
mircea_popescu: who ? you and matonis ?
smickles: only 4 more to go to hit the top of /r/bitcoin
mircea_popescu: btw smickles your blog looks all fucked up in opera
jcpham: i'm sorry i'm confused
mircea_popescu: everything on the left column is scrunched in bottom
smickles: oh jeez
jcpham: https://plus.google.com/100109831949151899859/posts/RdSRMn5B9gK
jcpham: was my reference
mircea_popescu: smickles user browsershots.org
jcpham: i like the internet because i can cite things
mircea_popescu: I can't say I particularly liked this article. The tone was very hurtful to those people. I imagine any "Imbecilitarians" reading it would be offended.
mircea_popescu: ahahaha
jcpham: notice how kind i am
mircea_popescu: i thought you were a real friend
jcpham: i am
jcpham: but the internet isn't real
mircea_popescu: dericc aztrott ?!
jcpham: god put the internet here for my amusement
mircea_popescu: that name alone... i imagine it must have been very hurtful in jr high
jcpham: cold
mircea_popescu: you know when you get drunk you sound like reeses sober.
jcpham: i'm not druuuuuuunk
mircea_popescu: a ok.
jcpham: join the g+ and friend me up
mircea_popescu: i don't have a g
jcpham: give your datas to google
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00050779 = 1.1908 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: IT's A MYTH
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11914 @ 0.00050846 = 6.0578 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: i don't even have a gmail acct.
jcpham: google needs all your data to feed
jcpham: without your data there can be no driverless cars
mircea_popescu: but i don't want driverless cars.
mircea_popescu: i want like... 5 cars per mn pop, and driven by buxom topless chicks.
jcpham: me neither but google still needs the data
jcpham: google's new game turns your cell phone into a street view camera
mircea_popescu: think how great london would be if there were like 30 cars in all of it
jcpham: and i could tear through the streets as fast as i want?
mircea_popescu: well pretty much
jcpham: pretty freaking awesome
mircea_popescu: you'd have to get D cups to be allowed to drive tho
smickles: mircea_popescu: only one that looks strange is opera on debian 6
mircea_popescu: smickles a ok disregard then
mircea_popescu: btw : i'm working with a crew to release a bitcoin 2 minute video. if it comes through it will be lulzy.
smickles: oh, well, that widget i was asking about is slightly off on some things
smickles: lolwut: http://api.browsershots.org/png/original/08/0854ae5085fb55e12550a0c2135aa06e.png
mircea_popescu: windows rules so much
smickles: wow, dillo pulled a cert warning out of an http page
smickles: looks f'n sweet on links
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28291 @ 0.00050934 = 14.4097 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28700 @ 0.00050712 = 14.5543 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 394 @ 0.00050198 = 0.1978 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00050244 = 1.1782 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10311 @ 0.00050198 = 5.1759 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12266 @ 0.00050119 = 6.1476 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10878 @ 0.00049915 = 5.4298 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5827 @ 0.00049915 = 2.9085 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: dillo pulled a cert warning out of an http page << rich
mircea_popescu: <script type="text/javascript" src="https://ajax.googleapis.com/ajax/libs/jquery/1.8.0/jquery.min.js"></script>
mircea_popescu: possible cause
smickles: ah, the truth will out
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10701 @ 0.00049912 = 5.3411 BTC [-]
smickles: that's only there for the fancy gen your own donation addy
smickles: currently, icbit is offering 7.85~x leverage
mircea_popescu: uh
smickles: it changes based on recent volatility in the buz2 market
mircea_popescu: uh
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38473 @ 0.00049913 = 19.203 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11200 @ 0.00050293 = 5.6328 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22392 @ 0.00050669 = 11.3458 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30000 @ 0.00051242 = 15.3726 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18100 @ 0.00051864 = 9.3874 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33966 @ 0.00052187 = 17.7258 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16859 @ 0.00052393 = 8.8329 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: !ticker s.dice
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1day: 0.00308319 / 0.00323193 / 0.00339944 (34024 shares, 109.96 BTC), 30day: 0.00180002 / 0.00331778 / 0.00339944 (941672 shares, 3,124.26 BTC)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052576 = 1.2329 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11463 @ 0.00052626 = 6.0325 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.0005257 = 1.2328 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30177 @ 0.000525 = 15.8429 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 12.51000, Best ask: 12.51990, Bid-ask spread: 0.00990, Last trade: 12.51000, 24 hour volume: 19222.98667956, 24 hour low: 12.25000, 24 hour high: 12.55000, 24 hour vwap: 12.41369
mircea_popescu: so it broke the .5
mircea_popescu: well i'm off to bed
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052494 = 1.231 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16450 @ 0.00052501 = 8.6364 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10239 @ 0.00052974 = 5.424 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20590 @ 0.00053001 = 10.9129 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: 63!
mircea_popescu: 53 even
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 12.39993, Best ask: 12.39994, Bid-ask spread: 0.00001, Last trade: 12.39993, 24 hour volume: 25409.97316755, 24 hour low: 12.30001, 24 hour high: 12.60000, 24 hour vwap: 12.47317
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052326 = 1.227 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29950 @ 0.00052308 = 15.6662 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=95826.40 so it turns out ciuciu is in default
mircea_popescu: copumpkin ^
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2855 @ 0.0005154 = 1.4715 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12000 @ 0.00051517 = 6.182 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11563 @ 0.00051474 = 5.9519 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4882 @ 0.0005146 = 2.5123 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12637 @ 0.0005146 = 6.503 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8581 @ 0.00051382 = 4.4091 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5332 @ 0.00051284 = 2.7345 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22205 @ 0.00052168 = 11.5839 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25650 @ 0.0005246 = 13.456 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1410 @ 0.00053001 = 0.7473 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10450 @ 0.00053053 = 5.544 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5290 @ 0.00053212 = 2.8149 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00053177 = 1.247 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15155 @ 0.00053212 = 8.0643 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19550 @ 0.00053128 = 10.3865 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18255 @ 0.00053212 = 9.7139 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10813 @ 0.0005329 = 5.7622 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58232 @ 0.00053291 = 31.0324 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18100 @ 0.00053291 = 9.6457 BTC [+]
copumpkin: mircea_popescu: he should start doing porn
mircea_popescu: all that's missing.
mircea_popescu: granny porn, maybe. for symmetry.
Ukto: heh, in the post ciuciu wrote "You now want me to pay back, following a list given by you the thieves. Am I correct?" Sounds like he got one of those dbl payments.
Ukto: So that means he has funds to make good on his buyback :P
PsychoticBoy: almost alll asset issuers on GLBSE are scammers and now that glbse is closed, the scammers come out of closet
PsychoticBoy: cuicui, goat, gigavps, name them
Ukto: I dont think any "bonds" on gblse ever did good/proper, did they?
mircea_popescu: oh, where was that image
Ukto: havent they all turned out to be scams?
PsychoticBoy: almost all, glbse investors are fucked
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15075 @ 0.00052811 = 7.9613 BTC [-]
Ukto: seems the mining rigs (the real ones) were the only ones that were not intented to be scams. (and even then, some try it)
mircea_popescu: http://polimedia.us/dtng/c/src/134654389322.png
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 7700 @ 0.00339999 = 26.1799 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2342 @ 0.00052811 = 1.2368 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35000 @ 0.00052922 = 18.5227 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1968 @ 0.00053291 = 1.0488 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2290 @ 0.00053346 = 1.2216 BTC [+]
Ukto: Namjies.. if he continues btc-mining, _might_ consider it
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18850 @ 0.00053018 = 9.9939 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14750 @ 0.00053346 = 7.8685 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9836 @ 0.00053346 = 5.2471 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20735 @ 0.00053346 = 11.0613 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9351 @ 0.00053411 = 4.9945 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12814 @ 0.00053446 = 6.8486 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1000 @ 0.00053445 = 0.5345 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8236 @ 0.00053446 = 4.4018 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2114 @ 0.00053452 = 1.13 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31486 @ 0.00053452 = 16.8299 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13314 @ 0.00053456 = 7.1171 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19100 @ 0.0005328 = 10.1765 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1000 @ 0.00053455 = 0.5346 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12200 @ 0.00053456 = 6.5216 BTC [+]
pigeons: I sent cryptostocks an email telling him to announce his trades for assbot
mircea_popescu: pigeons we had a chat a couple months back, he was going to do it then
pigeons: ok he's just on BFL time
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10467 @ 0.00053116 = 5.5597 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: so i've been top fish for ~2 hours now, smickles take that!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00053078 = 1.2447 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8900 @ 0.00053054 = 4.7218 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12655 @ 0.00052793 = 6.681 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00053105 = 1.2453 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32833 @ 0.00053116 = 17.4396 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10517 @ 0.00053456 = 5.622 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: mircea_popescu how much did you blow on that game so far
mircea_popescu: i made ~3btc last time, i'm ahead about 3 btc this time
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2012/the-biggest-fish-revisited/ sauce.
kakobrekla: screw mpex this is much more profitable
mircea_popescu: lol not rly.
mircea_popescu: 3btc/day = 100 / month = peanuts.
mircea_popescu: i think smickles made maybe 5 or so
kakobrekla: i sell about that much per month
kakobrekla: to live
mircea_popescu: cause he got lucky, otherwise i'd have been +8 last time
kakobrekla: 100, not 5.
kakobrekla: so i could live off fishes
kakobrekla: in theory
mircea_popescu: so go ahead.
mircea_popescu: click on me, put .2 in, have fun
mircea_popescu: so basically the forum wants gigavps to buyback bonds at 1.05 btc each + all the dividends
Ukto: ?
Ukto: whats this biggest fish thing?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1619 @ 0.00053456 = 0.8655 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: some game ukto
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9381 @ 0.00053461 = 5.0152 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: http://78.47.168.188/
kakobrekla: i love it how the link is direct ip lol
Ukto: Error: Not Found
Ukto: The requested URL / was not found on this server.
mircea_popescu: kik
kakobrekla: works here
kakobrekla: oh
Ukto: oh
kakobrekla: i see we have hooks now
Ukto: it was freom the link on polimedia
kakobrekla: what the point of those
mircea_popescu: i think just decor
kakobrekla: what is*
kakobrekla: damn a whole word missing there.
Ukto: i tried clicking hte how it works on polimedia and got taht 404 hehe
mircea_popescu: o that was old version
mircea_popescu: i should update the link
Ukto: dont see one on the actual game
Ukto: ahh
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 369 @ 0.00053461 = 0.1973 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11150 @ 0.00053468 = 5.9617 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1831 @ 0.00053519 = 0.9799 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052813 = 1.2385 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11495 @ 0.00052793 = 6.0686 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 308 @ 0.00052793 = 0.1626 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14838 @ 0.00052609 = 7.8061 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26650 @ 0.00052609 = 14.0203 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2800 @ 0.00052683 = 1.4751 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052803 = 1.2382 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9655 @ 0.00052813 = 5.0991 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 396 @ 0.00052813 = 0.2091 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22558 @ 0.00052879 = 11.9284 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4973 @ 0.00053067 = 2.639 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052638 = 1.2344 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12282 @ 0.00052609 = 6.4614 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1315 @ 0.00052452 = 0.6897 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29303 @ 0.00052743 = 15.4553 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5197 @ 0.00052743 = 2.7411 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2255 @ 0.00052452 = 1.1828 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11500 @ 0.00052431 = 6.0296 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7450 @ 0.00052393 = 3.9033 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4095 @ 0.00052323 = 2.1426 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6992 @ 0.00052498 = 3.6707 BTC [+]
smickles: 16:22 < mircea_popescu> so i've been top fish for ~2 hours now, smickles take that! << oh noes, i've been doing other things and my fish has been invisible for who knows how long
smickles: oh mircea_popescu, d'ja !ticker s.dice recently?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23305 @ 0.00052323 = 12.1939 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4745 @ 0.00052113 = 2.4728 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9400 @ 0.00052113 = 4.8986 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16731 @ 0.00052113 = 8.719 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8900 @ 0.00052078 = 4.6349 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3569 @ 0.0005202 = 1.8566 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21200 @ 0.00052149 = 11.0556 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3996 @ 0.00052314 = 2.0905 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16900 @ 0.0005202 = 8.7914 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13304 @ 0.00052314 = 6.9599 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8000 @ 0.00052316 = 4.1853 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4396 @ 0.00052498 = 2.3078 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7311 @ 0.0005202 = 3.8032 BTC [-]
dub: fishgame working?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 3950 @ 0.00339999 = 13.43 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3900 @ 0.00051839 = 2.0217 BTC [-]
Ukto: hmm, did Theymos ban images from sigs?
smickles: sort've, i think you have to pay for 'em
Ukto: ah. I remember I used to see them, and noticed none of the pages I looked at lately had any
smickles: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/13qosb/comparison_of_bitcoin_and_the_sec_definition_of_a/c76iqhn << i guess I f'd up a little
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18319 @ 0.00052 = 9.5259 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28521 @ 0.00051839 = 14.785 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2900 @ 0.00051789 = 1.5019 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20842 @ 0.00051788 = 10.7937 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4758 @ 0.00051788 = 2.4641 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2691 @ 0.00051614 = 1.3889 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4170 @ 0.00052 = 2.1684 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 815 @ 0.00052498 = 0.4279 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17685 @ 0.0005285 = 9.3465 BTC [+]
pigeons: when does biggest fish ip on mpex?
pigeons: *ipo
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052843 = 1.2392 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9915 @ 0.0005285 = 5.2401 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6640 @ 0.00052903 = 3.5128 BTC [+]
smickles: pigeons: i dunno if they will ipo if freemoney buys them outright
smickles: :o
Ukto: A brand new car!
smickles: :D
Ukto: After 100 monthly installments of 50btc.
Ukto: :P
smickles: :(
pigeons: ok i'll wait for the Satoshi Fishing clone
smickles: That better be a self driving car for that price
Ukto: smickles: no. just interest :P
pigeons: 7% a week
Ukto: Sup Jay-Woo :P
thestringpuller: smickles
smickles: thestringpuller: heh, just as I would've left
thestringpuller: nvm
Ukto: snickles :P
smickles: oh it's np
thestringpuller: hahaha
Ukto: "Don't get your snickers in a wad" :P
thestringpuller: Why do all games have shitty endings these days (random)
smickles: thestringpuller: I've got a link for you to have a gander at :)
thestringpuller: I will pay someone 100000 btc to make a good game
Ukto: does it have to be a story game
thestringpuller: yes
Ukto: or just multiplayer
Ukto: i'll work that later
thestringpuller: i want something with a story that compares to GTA IV or Alan Wake
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.0005214 = 1.2227 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19201 @ 0.00052109 = 10.0054 BTC [-]
smickles: thestringpuller: http://starpas.azcc.gov/scripts/cgiip.exe/WService=wsbroker1/names-detail.p?name-id=L18030781&type=PENDING%20CORP.
thestringpuller: are you trying to hack me
thestringpuller: that link looks sketchy
thestringpuller: i'll open it with curl
smickles: heh, i wonder how curl will do
thestringpuller: NICE!
thestringpuller: smickles accounting corp
smickles: still pending tho
thestringpuller: Congratulations sir!
thestringpuller: why does it expire in march?
thestringpuller: pi-day in fact
smickles: they got it back on the 13th
smickles: so this tuesday, it'll be 2 weeks worth of processing a few forms
Ukto: do you have a cpa license?
smickles: lol, didn't notice pi day
smickles: Ukto: no, i'm a little ways off from being a cpa yet
Ukto: ahh
Ukto: well good luck with it! :)
smickles: thanks! :D
smickles: yeah, I'll be providing bookeeping, payroll, accounts receivable, accounts payable, consulting and related services. All custom taylored to bitcoin businesses
Ukto: once weex get going a bit further
smickles: I believe my plan for A/P is the most secure solution to date, private keys will never even be on a HD
Ukto: I plan to hire a cpa firm to do a weekly/monthly audit of all accounts
Ukto: usd, aud, cad, btc, etc
Ukto: and have them post on the same basis that all looks right with the world
smickles: aw, too bad i'm not a cpa, I can't do public audits :|
thestringpuller: when will you get your cpa?
smickles: thestringpuller: it takes years, the requirements are harsh
thestringpuller: heh
thestringpuller: Why don't you do it kingpin style and hire a CPA with an "offer they can't refuse"?
Ukto: why setting up the llc now then ?
smickles: Ukto: accounting isn't just what cpas do
Ukto: "Certified Public Accountant' primary purpose. :P
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052459 = 1.2302 BTC [+]
Ukto: to Account
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20336 @ 0.00052472 = 10.6707 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6319 @ 0.00052903 = 3.3429 BTC [+]
smickles: really, a CPA licens is so that you can do Audits on publicly traded companies and such like that
smickles: almost every other aspect of accounting can be done by accountants who are not CPAs
thestringpuller: could you help me become publicly traded
thestringpuller: if I had the volume that is
smickles: Oh, and a CPA can sign your 1040 as a preparer, wehre oters cant
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052133 = 1.2225 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10229 @ 0.00052109 = 5.3302 BTC [-]
Ukto: smickles: I have had my own s-corps for the last 10 years.
Ukto: I generally file about 300 pages worth in taxes a year to the irs
Ukto: just for the businesses :P
Ukto: I have a geat cpa
Ukto: my personal/family taxes re bloated out to about 38 pages yearly
thestringpuller: what is a geat
smickles: I'm sure you do. Most people who are CPAs are excellent accountants
Ukto: Everyone should always have a cpa do their taxes
Ukto: if a cpa is not singing off on them
Ukto: then you are personally responsible for any mistakes, and could goto jail
Ukto: if a cpa signs, and tehres a mistake, there is a simple procedure to fix it
smickles: ya know, a CPA can represent you in place of a lawyer in some cases?
Ukto: yup, just depends
Ukto: to get an EVSSL cert, you have to provide a letter from a lawyer, or cpa
smickles: I plan to become a CPA, it just takes time, and I have to work under a CPA for at least 2 years before I can even attempt the exams
smickles: so I'll have to wait until my daughter and coming son are a little older
thestringpuller: children rule though
Ukto: I have 4 :P
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15750 @ 0.00051917 = 8.1769 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19950 @ 0.00051677 = 10.3096 BTC [-]
smickles: Ukto: i'm willing to bet you are older than i am tho :P
Ukto: just turned 32
thestringpuller: you're old as shit
thestringpuller: jk
thestringpuller: jk
Ukto: lol
thestringpuller: i estimated you being in your late 30's mr. smickles
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15200 @ 0.00051677 = 7.8549 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7100 @ 0.00051628 = 3.6656 BTC [-]
thestringpuller: we would have gone to school together
thestringpuller: lol
smickles: heh
smickles: I went to a highschool that Jay Leno once called "fort fertile"
smickles: not at all because of me tho :/
Ukto: lol, too bad
Ukto: :P
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14826 @ 0.00051971 = 7.7052 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12324 @ 0.00052903 = 6.5198 BTC [+]
smickles: looks like icbit futures might finally close above 12
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052875 = 1.2399 BTC [-]
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thestringpuller: the price is going up though
smickles: thestringpuller: the futures market is a funny thing
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smickles: http://closeuptvnews.com/closeuptalkradio/pressreleases/StephaneRancourtPR.pdf&ct=ga&cad=CAcQARgBIAEoATAAOABA4brChQVIAlgAYgVlbi1VUw&cd=2Z-RgDku6TY&usg=AFQjCNFApu1dWyFMHK0QfOyVKTNhuLCIkw
smickles: er
smickles: http://www.google.com/url?sa=X&q=http://closeuptvnews.com/closeuptalkradio/pressreleases/StephaneRancourtPR.pdf&ct=ga&cad=CAcQARgBIAEoATAAOABA4brChQVIAlgAYgVlbi1VUw&cd=2Z-RgDku6TY&usg=AFQjCNFApu1dWyFMHK0QfOyVKTNhuLCIkw
knotwork: Software to handle puts and calls on arbitrary pairs of assets is badly needed. That is really coming home to people today as they ran around negotiating large puts and calls to try to prevent a tipping point that could trigger panic selling if they don't get enough, and the right, puts and calls worked out and in place
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thestringpuller: knotwork: didn't that just happen in october?
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knotwork: well remember when bitcoin skyrocketed over $30, but tipped when it topped out?
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knotwork: easy apps to handle options maybe could have helped there, for example maybe if lots of options had been available for people to secure themselves a peak price for a few months so they need not panic...
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knotwork: a significant amount of secure debt was sniped today while everyone was already worried about skyrockets, massive players in the secured debt arena finally realised all their debtors would be sniped if they didn't cut their rates across the board, and everything wobbled
knotwork: everyone is running around trying to work out options bundles tht they hope can prevent the flattening out of the curves from turning into an actual downtick
knotwork: the secure interest rates of course are also key in many.most (all?) options pricing schemes so its hectic, then all the options will all have to be manually adminitered too
smickles: yeah, gl with comming up with a 'risk free rate' in bitcoinland
Ukto: my options been up for months
smickles: I suggest yo ujust assume there isn't one
Ukto: just havent promoted it :P
smickles: Ukto: how do they compare to mpex's options?
Ukto: which is proper usage of your / you're? "claim your crap" or you're ?
knotwork: well considering t-bills are passed off as risk-free ...
Ukto: should be you're? right
smickles: claim your crap
smickles: you're is "you are"
Ukto: oh, good point
Ukto: must be tired
knotwork: claim you are crap
smickles: oh, right
Ukto: that does make sense too
Ukto: :P
Ukto: just wrong context
Ukto: smickles: mine is like an OTC options system
smickles: knotwork: if you want to use tbils, then we'd need a good way to convert btc into tbills
smickles: Ukto: do you work them out individually then?
Ukto: you pick call/put, you specify the deadline for exection, the strike price, and the option price yoiu want
Ukto: it gets posted on the list, and anyone can buy it
knotwork: no no i merely meant if t-bills are risk-free then obviously its a loose term of art to being with
Ukto: you can also make it 'breakable' so you can post 100 btc, and let multiple ppl pick outof it
knotwork: to begin with
smickles: Ukto: where's the list?
smickles: ;;view Ukto
gribble: Error: No orders found matching these criteria.
Ukto: option holders can also re-write the options back into the board
smickles: er
Ukto: smickles: its all on weex
smickles: oh, that makes sense
Ukto: I think the last option that was for sale got bought last night
Ukto: there is only one person writing options so far... seems to be doing good
Ukto: and about 3~8 ppl randomly buying them
Ukto: smickles: you dont have a weex accnt do you?
knotwork: when i said "arbitrary assets" I meant quite arbitrary. I have created several plots now, showing things in terms of different assets like wht does it look like if you think in litecoin, what does it look like if you think in devcoin, wht does it look like if you think in bitcoin etc
smickles: Ukto: nope
Ukto: smickles: want me to pm you an invite code? :)
smickles: it couldn't hurt, I could get to it sometime soon :)
knotwork: basically look at the [PLOT] links off of http://galaxies.mygamesonline.org/digitalisassets.html and if you understand logarithmic scale charts you will see plenty of skyrockets
Ukto: considering copying the options code into the new asset site, so ppl can trade options on assets.. but I just dont think they vary enough in price to be worth using.
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smickles: if you could write an option for whatever you wanted, that would open up a lot of interesting possibilities
knotwork: i had to change all the plots to use logarithmic scale because otherwise all the tiny valued assets tended to vanish into the y-axis on the bottom, using log for X lets you see the tiny stuff as well as the skyrocketed stuff
Ukto: define "whatever you wanted"
smickles: suppose s.mpoe options on weex
Ukto: that would be on the new asset site
Ukto: not weex
smickles: oh
Ukto: weex doesnt touch assets, bonds of any kinds
Ukto: just btc/usd/aud/cad
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Ukto: and offering options on mpex assets from the new asset system wouldnt be hard tbh
Ukto: just have to setup an mpex account, and ppl have to xfer the mpex shares to that account
Ukto: to be able to option it out
Ukto: cant be able to post options on somethign that you cant enforce
knotwork: sorry i mixed up x and y axes, its y that is log, x is time
knotwork: well those smooth lines on the plots are of course the folks mostly valued by their compound interest deals theey have/had
knotwork: those are the ones having the interest rates crunch, so they are thinking hey maybe we can set up safe options, where we sell options to make a secure income on our heaps of this and that
knotwork: so pick any pair of this and that you have plenty of on hand and can no longer get as high interest on by loaning it
knotwork: and look into whether selling options both ways on such pairs you can earn as much as you had been making by loaning
smickles: heh, not much looing into, calls and puts are essentiall the same thing if you know how to look at it
knotwork: basically its like hey I have two things I can sell, but maybe if I sell people the option to buy one or to sell me (at les than i sell it of course) one, i can make money on my inventory without even necesaarily selling it
smickles: (ack keyboard)
knotwork: and if i do sell some of it, well it was looking like something might have to be sold anyway so what the heck
knotwork: ahh finally the latest sets of numbers are complete and i can plot new plots
knotwork: log scale makes the skyrockets look so un-dramatic! its almost worth not being able to see the low valued assets on non-log scale jsut so you can see how exciting the skyrockets were really looking
knotwork: it has been like oh gosh is Martian BotCoin doing what bitcoin did back when bitcoin topped oout over $30 ???
knotwork: new plots are uploading right now
knotwork: ok they are up
Ukto: smickles: sent you pm.
knotwork: damn i turned the mousing thing off so i could make the chart bigger, but that turned off the ability to zoom, i can hardly really see if its downticks or just levelled off
knotwork: kind of looks like down a little for t least some of them
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knotwork: ahh its really clear in http://galaxies.mygamesonline.org/plotsharesinltc.html that shares took a bump in terms of litecoin but recovered
knotwork: since they all did i am guessing they maybe didnt take a bump at all but, rather, litecoin went up briefly then back down
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jurov: lmao the bot looks like most profitable mpex venture of mine :p
jurov: and to think it has catched dust unused for few months...
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