assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3450 @ 0.00052548 = 1.8129 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 259 @ 0.00053133 = 0.1376 BTC [+]
dub: anyone can write a draft
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20700 @ 0.00053266 = 11.0261 BTC [+]
pigeons: yeah someone from microsoft submitted it
dub: surprised AAPL hasnt filed patent for 'coins made out of bits'
mircea_popescu: it's squarely in the bikeshed territory, the xbtc reference
pigeons: they need the cherry truck award
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10700 @ 0.00053416 = 5.7155 BTC [+]
jurov: nah, it was some noncompliant browser
gribble: Estimated time of bitcoin block reward halving: Wed Nov 28 20:12:08 2012 UTC | Time remaining: 1 day, 21 hours, 50 minutes, and 0 seconds.
gribble: Error: "asicshipped" is not a valid command.
jurov: i know i know, just trollin
Diablo-D3: I wonder if Ill get a block before then
Diablo-D3: douchebag keyboard, dropping letters
Ukto: hah, See: user error
Diablo-D3: sometimes I have to replug it because it wont repeat and half the keyboard is dead
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 12.30408, Best ask: 12.31269, Bid-ask spread: 0.00861, Last trade: 12.10701, 24 hour volume: 34526.91363606, 24 hour low: 11.89000, 24 hour high: 12.65150, 24 hour vwap: 12.37671
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23400 @ 0.00053416 = 12.4993 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 200 @ 0.00053434 = 0.1069 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00053288 = 1.2496 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1491 @ 0.00053266 = 0.7942 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 350 @ 0.00052548 = 0.1839 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6376 @ 0.00052508 = 3.3479 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7850 @ 0.00052502 = 4.1214 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3492 @ 0.00052358 = 1.8283 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: i wonder if blockblocking will follow cockblocking in the vernacular.
dub: wat is blockblocking
mircea_popescu: when someone impedes someone else from solving a block theyweren't going to solve anyway.
jurov: how would that be done, like, technically?
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: "are you going to eat that pussy? I mean, its just sitting there on the plate, you've barely touched it"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052374 = 1.2282 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7602 @ 0.00052358 = 3.9803 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2649 @ 0.00052019 = 1.378 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4404 @ 0.00052018 = 2.2909 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13946 @ 0.00052018 = 7.2544 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4204 @ 0.0005198 = 2.1852 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00053421 = 1.2527 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15750 @ 0.00053434 = 8.4159 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 555 @ 0.00053458 = 0.2967 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00053036 = 1.2437 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5813 @ 0.0005302 = 3.0821 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13200 @ 0.00051989 = 6.8625 BTC [-]
gribble: Error: "rewardhalf" is not a valid command.
gribble: Estimated time of bitcoin block reward halving: Wed Nov 28 19:52:54 2012 UTC | Time remaining: 1 day, 20 hours, 50 minutes, and 0 seconds.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25346 @ 0.0005198 = 13.1749 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10254 @ 0.00051955 = 5.3275 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11642 @ 0.00051989 = 6.0526 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15608 @ 0.00052699 = 8.2253 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19300 @ 0.00051979 = 10.0319 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6800 @ 0.00051955 = 3.5329 BTC [-]
Ukto: another linode hack ? 0,o
dub: no just shit connectivity
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5821 @ 0.00051955 = 3.0243 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14370 @ 0.00051955 = 7.4659 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11000 @ 0.00051953 = 5.7148 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7100 @ 0.00051912 = 3.6858 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17800 @ 0.00051888 = 9.2361 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8350 @ 0.00051873 = 4.3314 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7798 @ 0.00051861 = 4.0441 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13400 @ 0.00051861 = 6.9494 BTC [-]
dub: google translate failed me
dub: smelly cheese was first guess
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3902 @ 0.00051861 = 2.0236 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2991 @ 0.00051854 = 1.551 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11807 @ 0.00051847 = 6.1216 BTC [-]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 12.19998, Best ask: 12.19999, Bid-ask spread: 0.00001, Last trade: 12.19999, 24 hour volume: 35150.08809202, 24 hour low: 11.89000, 24 hour high: 12.65150, 24 hour vwap: 12.36118
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2443 @ 0.00051847 = 1.2666 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10600 @ 0.0005182 = 5.4929 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31150 @ 0.00051812 = 16.1394 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12850 @ 0.00051807 = 6.6572 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8607 @ 0.00051788 = 4.4574 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7870 @ 0.0005224 = 4.1113 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8100 @ 0.00053058 = 4.2977 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25000 @ 0.00053131 = 13.2828 BTC [+]
Doffx: Someone sold around 10000
Doffx: I need 10500 bitcoins to sell, you would most likely not see me online again.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4200 @ 0.00053131 = 2.2315 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5582 @ 0.00053058 = 2.9617 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16668 @ 0.00053049 = 8.8422 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3032 @ 0.00053049 = 1.6084 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13500 @ 0.00052686 = 7.1126 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14900 @ 0.00052527 = 7.8265 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C060T] 1000 @ 0.51492215 = 514.9222 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 200 @ 0.00336849 = 0.6737 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2150 @ 0.00339999 = 7.31 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3248 @ 0.00052527 = 1.7061 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 702 @ 0.00052461 = 0.3683 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C060T] 1000 @ 0.51492215 = 514.9222 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2798 @ 0.00052461 = 1.4679 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20600 @ 0.00052037 = 10.7196 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4593 @ 0.00051788 = 2.3786 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10337 @ 0.00051787 = 5.3532 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13837 @ 0.00051778 = 7.1645 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C060T] 1000 @ 0.51492215 = 514.9222 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5302 @ 0.00051811 = 2.747 BTC [+]
smickles: heh, good link tho, very entertaining
smickles: naw, you'd be cool, considring it's a numbers quiz
dub: not enough tentacle rape
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3048 @ 0.00052322 = 1.5948 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7313 @ 0.00051778 = 3.7865 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26639 @ 0.00051777 = 13.7929 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00051829 = 1.2154 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15358 @ 0.00051855 = 7.9639 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21000 @ 0.00051855 = 10.8896 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16600 @ 0.00051855 = 8.6079 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00051592 = 1.2098 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25102 @ 0.00051586 = 12.9491 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00051835 = 1.2155 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10392 @ 0.00051855 = 5.3888 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3063 @ 0.00052181 = 1.5983 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00051591 = 1.2098 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4598 @ 0.00051586 = 2.3719 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3683 @ 0.00051404 = 1.8932 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7474 @ 0.00051394 = 3.8412 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C070T] 1000 @ 0.42938889 = 429.3889 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C080T] 1000 @ 0.34744445 = 347.4445 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6026 @ 0.00051394 = 3.097 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1774 @ 0.00051386 = 0.9116 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 200 @ 0.00339856 = 0.6797 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1400 @ 0.00334557 = 4.6838 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00051832 = 1.2155 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6200 @ 0.00051851 = 3.2148 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 374 @ 0.00052054 = 0.1947 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3976 @ 0.00052054 = 2.0697 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4249 @ 0.00052181 = 2.2172 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15629 @ 0.0005199 = 8.1255 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11521 @ 0.00051386 = 5.9202 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00051408 = 1.2055 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9454 @ 0.00051386 = 4.858 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5251 @ 0.00051386 = 2.6983 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3949 @ 0.00051379 = 2.029 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.0005215 = 1.2229 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3059 @ 0.00052181 = 1.5962 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1174 @ 0.00052181 = 0.6126 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16800 @ 0.00052203 = 8.7701 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10726 @ 0.00052351 = 5.6152 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13550 @ 0.00052351 = 7.0936 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11950 @ 0.00052126 = 6.2291 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1005 @ 0.00334557 = 3.3623 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00051983 = 1.219 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10055 @ 0.00051948 = 5.2234 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1745 @ 0.00051948 = 0.9065 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21055 @ 0.00051379 = 10.8178 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052114 = 1.2221 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4605 @ 0.00052126 = 2.4004 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5272 @ 0.00052126 = 2.7481 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1350 @ 0.00334522 = 4.516 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00051387 = 1.205 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8246 @ 0.00051379 = 4.2367 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8159 @ 0.00051355 = 4.1901 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13650 @ 0.00051972 = 7.0942 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2550 @ 0.00051429 = 1.3114 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5350 @ 0.00051921 = 2.7778 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052031 = 1.2201 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17155 @ 0.00052045 = 8.9283 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3188 @ 0.00052045 = 1.6592 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00051946 = 1.2181 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6855 @ 0.00051921 = 3.5592 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12245 @ 0.00051921 = 6.3577 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8536 @ 0.00051355 = 4.3837 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052014 = 1.2197 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1057 @ 0.00052045 = 0.5501 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3898 @ 0.00052126 = 2.0319 BTC [+]
gribble: Error: "bc,rewardhalf" is not a valid command.
gribble: Estimated time of bitcoin block reward halving: Wed Nov 28 19:39:45 2012 UTC | Time remaining: 1 day, 11 hours, and 0 seconds.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00051388 = 1.205 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10188 @ 0.00051355 = 5.232 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5550 @ 0.00051355 = 2.8502 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4887 @ 0.00051355 = 2.5097 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10998 @ 0.00051313 = 5.6434 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13702 @ 0.00051313 = 7.0309 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 360 @ 0.00051312 = 0.1847 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5000 @ 0.00051312 = 2.5656 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1445 @ 0.00334522 = 4.8338 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 355 @ 0.00335332 = 1.1904 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19490 @ 0.00051312 = 10.0007 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7610 @ 0.00051284 = 3.9027 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.0005167 = 1.2117 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18655 @ 0.00051704 = 9.6454 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1600 @ 0.00051313 = 0.821 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8478 @ 0.00051284 = 4.3479 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7222 @ 0.00051275 = 3.7031 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00051281 = 1.2025 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13578 @ 0.00051275 = 6.9621 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1227 @ 0.00051244 = 0.6288 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00051489 = 1.2074 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7505 @ 0.00051507 = 3.8656 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00051251 = 1.2018 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4355 @ 0.00051244 = 2.2317 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1750 @ 0.00051244 = 0.8968 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00051477 = 1.2071 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8355 @ 0.00051507 = 4.3034 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00051258 = 1.202 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27754 @ 0.00051244 = 14.2223 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11801 @ 0.0005124 = 6.0468 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28899 @ 0.0005124 = 14.8078 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5151 @ 0.00051226 = 2.6387 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8512 @ 0.00051226 = 4.3604 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3537 @ 0.00051226 = 1.8119 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1863 @ 0.00051225 = 0.9543 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1850 @ 0.00051491 = 0.9526 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 495 @ 0.00051491 = 0.2549 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11273 @ 0.00051507 = 5.8064 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.0005126 = 1.202 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16055 @ 0.00051225 = 8.2242 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00051481 = 1.2072 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6358 @ 0.00051507 = 3.2748 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8795 @ 0.00051704 = 4.5474 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10202 @ 0.00051733 = 5.2778 BTC [+]
gribble: Error: "btchalf" is not a valid command.
gribble: Error: "half" is not a valid command.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12600 @ 0.00051355 = 6.4707 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12048 @ 0.00051733 = 6.2328 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28452 @ 0.00051736 = 14.7199 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17490 @ 0.00051736 = 9.0486 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1310 @ 0.00051823 = 0.6789 BTC [+]
gribble: Estimated time of bitcoin block reward halving: Wed Nov 28 18:37:28 2012 UTC | Time remaining: 1 day, 7 hours, 20 minutes, and 0 seconds.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00051282 = 1.2026 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10700 @ 0.00051259 = 5.4847 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3184 @ 0.00051225 = 1.631 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3247 @ 0.00051208 = 1.6627 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00051793 = 1.2145 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35857 @ 0.00051823 = 18.5822 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 300 @ 0.00334119 = 1.0024 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 183 @ 0.00051823 = 0.0948 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9776 @ 0.00051846 = 5.0685 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13341 @ 0.00051854 = 6.9178 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00051801 = 1.2147 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1555 @ 0.00051795 = 0.8054 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13950 @ 0.00051795 = 7.2254 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20664 @ 0.0005175 = 10.6936 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5486 @ 0.0005175 = 2.839 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2264 @ 0.00051208 = 1.1593 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24589 @ 0.00051208 = 12.5915 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5911 @ 0.00051203 = 3.0266 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2750 @ 0.00051203 = 1.4081 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1150 @ 0.00051774 = 0.5954 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00051846 = 1.2158 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4624 @ 0.00051854 = 2.3977 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2032 @ 0.00051854 = 1.0537 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8010 @ 0.00052043 = 4.1686 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1000 @ 0.00052078 = 0.5208 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6106 @ 0.00052079 = 3.1799 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7294 @ 0.00052079 = 3.7986 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8168 @ 0.00052091 = 4.2548 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00051977 = 1.2189 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7274 @ 0.00051954 = 3.7791 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1194 @ 0.00051954 = 0.6203 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8706 @ 0.00051789 = 4.5088 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052086 = 1.2214 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1000 @ 0.0005209 = 0.5209 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4936 @ 0.00052091 = 2.5712 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18446 @ 0.00052091 = 9.6087 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15054 @ 0.00052126 = 7.847 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5121 @ 0.00052126 = 2.6694 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14300 @ 0.00052146 = 7.4569 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16850 @ 0.00052229 = 8.8006 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6573 @ 0.00052253 = 3.4346 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2956 @ 0.00052336 = 1.5471 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.0005204 = 1.2203 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13900 @ 0.00052036 = 7.233 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9622 @ 0.0005171 = 4.9755 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052308 = 1.2266 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10755 @ 0.00052336 = 5.6287 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052321 = 1.2269 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5505 @ 0.00052336 = 2.8811 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00051756 = 1.2137 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22255 @ 0.00051738 = 11.5143 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052309 = 1.2266 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7819 @ 0.00052336 = 4.0922 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7011 @ 0.00052351 = 3.6703 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 925 @ 0.00052382 = 0.4845 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10450 @ 0.00052382 = 5.4739 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00051749 = 1.2135 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3845 @ 0.00051738 = 1.9893 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11310 @ 0.0005171 = 5.8484 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052355 = 1.2277 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 825 @ 0.00052382 = 0.4322 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4808 @ 0.00052414 = 2.5201 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1000 @ 0.00052417 = 0.5242 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18272 @ 0.00052418 = 9.5778 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 800 @ 0.00334119 = 2.673 BTC [-]
gribble: Estimated time of bitcoin block reward halving: Wed Nov 28 18:40:13 2012 UTC | Time remaining: 1 day, 4 hours, and 0 seconds.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00051711 = 1.2126 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6373 @ 0.0005171 = 3.2955 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7135 @ 0.00051576 = 3.6799 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5347 @ 0.0005122 = 2.7387 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052392 = 1.2286 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2931 @ 0.00052418 = 1.5364 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15724 @ 0.00052421 = 8.2427 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2269 @ 0.00052421 = 1.1894 BTC [+]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 11.95000, Best ask: 11.99998, Bid-ask spread: 0.04998, Last trade: 11.99999, 24 hour volume: 43477.60197387, 24 hour low: 11.89000, 24 hour high: 12.55800, 24 hour vwap: 12.17801
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 245 @ 0.00335332 = 0.8216 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052284 = 1.2261 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12737 @ 0.00052253 = 6.6555 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052407 = 1.2289 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1799 @ 0.00052421 = 0.9431 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052266 = 1.2256 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3144 @ 0.00052253 = 1.6428 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8761 @ 0.00051642 = 4.5244 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00051669 = 1.2116 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8464 @ 0.00051642 = 4.371 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11300 @ 0.00051607 = 5.8316 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 391 @ 0.00051602 = 0.2018 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: Lobbyist Michael Kiok, who lives with his dog Cassie, told the newspaper there were more than 100,000 zoophiles in Germany.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16334 @ 0.00051602 = 8.4287 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8161 @ 0.00051602 = 4.2112 BTC [-]
mod6: yeah, weird. just says: We could not find the page you requested. This is either because: bla bla bla
mod6: the telegraph site comes up, but the article itself seems to be missing from their database or someweird shit
mircea_popescu: well it wasn't any big deal, just a write-up about some campaign trying to make animal fucking illegal again
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4253 @ 0.0005122 = 2.1784 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17089 @ 0.00051203 = 8.7501 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9600 @ 0.00051191 = 4.9143 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8908 @ 0.0005119 = 4.56 BTC [-]
EskimoBob: nothing juicy at all "CME said that individuals holding MTB warrants, or certificates for a specific lot of metal stored in the depository, may receive gold delivered from Brinks Co. (BCO) in New York. MTB is responsible for any additional costs incurred by customers receiving metal from Brinks, CME said"
Ukto: in this case, they are using it as "can"
EskimoBob: mircea_popescu: read what Ukto writes ...
Ukto: they are saying that they will fullfill contracts.. be it from them, or it may come from brinks
Ukto: not that the contracts may be honored
Ukto: the way I read it at least
Ukto: it is vauge wording though
mircea_popescu: you don't really call fm if you intend to enforce the contract at no cost to the op.
mod6: its the ole "sorry, can't deliver your gold on contract because of act of god..." excuse ;P
mircea_popescu: "sorry, can't deliver your gold on contract for gold we never actually had because of act of god...
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6492 @ 0.0005119 = 3.3233 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16100 @ 0.00051181 = 8.2401 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5556 @ 0.00051166 = 2.8428 BTC [-]
smickles: copumpkin: my question is, how come everyone in these sorts of questions haven't been paying taxes for years
copumpkin: those welfare queens buying italian pizza ovens
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17000 @ 0.00051248 = 8.7122 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10089 @ 0.00051308 = 5.1765 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12335 @ 0.00052421 = 6.4661 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3576 @ 0.00052436 = 1.8751 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052433 = 1.2296 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7955 @ 0.00052436 = 4.1713 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00051256 = 1.202 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6850 @ 0.00051248 = 3.5105 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13894 @ 0.00051166 = 7.109 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3511 @ 0.00051165 = 1.7964 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: hm, i must be dense. why is the taxpayer liable for more tax if the tax was cut 0.0
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5500 @ 0.00051165 = 2.8141 BTC [-]
gigavps: mircea_popescu fuzzy maffs
EskimoBob: what is that? "voluntary-contracts-after-a-while/#comment-90702 <<< extended by 2 weeks!"
mircea_popescu: there's a writing contest with something over 100btc in prize funds.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 881 @ 0.00051165 = 0.4508 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5105 @ 0.00051146 = 2.611 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052408 = 1.229 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26205 @ 0.00052436 = 13.7409 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5489 @ 0.00051472 = 2.8253 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13500 @ 0.00051472 = 6.9487 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00051471 = 1.207 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 216 @ 0.00051472 = 0.1112 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 524 @ 0.00052436 = 0.2748 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3300 @ 0.00052457 = 1.7311 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10515 @ 0.00052461 = 5.5163 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19890 @ 0.00051862 = 10.3154 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10360 @ 0.0005252 = 5.4411 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5840 @ 0.0005252 = 3.0672 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13962 @ 0.0005253 = 7.3342 BTC [+]
smickles: 16:24 < mircea_popescu> it was originally due to end yest. <<< sweet, an extension? The thing I'm writing got put off because I had to do other things, maybe now I can finish it :)
jurov: i tried to subcontract the story, only one writer understood it, and finished it late and it still deals heavily with law enforcement
jurov: hope he'll improve it in the 2 weeks.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8000 @ 0.00051962 = 4.157 BTC [-]
jurov: should have tried to write something myself instead... maybe I'd surprise myself like dong that cherry truck
jurov: *the story deals with law enforcement, not the writer. lmao
smickles: "…as a point of fact if you couldn’t defend yourself in any criminal proceeding whatsoever right now, you’re already in prison." oooh, zing
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12900 @ 0.00052049 = 6.7143 BTC [+]
smickles: jurov: before or after they didn't deliver on time?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4500 @ 0.00052049 = 2.3422 BTC [+]
jurov: after... i already have a dispute with a scammer on that project, so i said, fuck that i dont need another one
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5750 @ 0.00051962 = 2.9878 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12450 @ 0.00051397 = 6.3989 BTC [-]
jurov: and in the middle suddenly vworker got sold to freelance, several days it was nearly unusable
jurov: so i can say there was executive meddling, too :D
jurov: still i don't get why freelancer.com is #1 . simple task like moving a deadline requires emailing to support both for employer and worker, wtf?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00051432 = 1.2061 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20310 @ 0.00051397 = 10.4387 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00051418 = 1.2058 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32697 @ 0.00051397 = 16.8053 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 558 @ 0.00051294 = 0.2862 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 6555 @ 0.00337618 = 22.1309 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 495 @ 0.00334119 = 1.6539 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4211 @ 0.00051294 = 2.16 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18200 @ 0.00051837 = 9.4343 BTC [+]
Namjies: Ah, OTC has nothing to say about it.
jcpham: i like the blue buttons
Namjies: Eh, just wanted to know if they looked fine. Bootstrap inspired of course.
Namjies: But I made them less tall and more pronounced.
EskimoBob: lets hope this takes less than 30 days :)
jcpham: pigeons ordered drugs from you EskimoBob?
EskimoBob: lots of melting snow and polar bear shit
jcpham: he usually just buys drugs from me
EskimoBob: OK, i guess he has made some changes to his menu
jcpham: cocaine-infused air molecules
jcpham: pretty high-grade shit
jurov: yes. i hoped for 1st prize, too
Diablo-D3: LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooooooooooooooooo...........
Diablo-D3: ..............oooooooooooooooOOOOOOOOOOOOOLLLLLLLLL
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2105 @ 0.00051822 = 1.0909 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00051675 = 1.2118 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1555 @ 0.0005167 = 0.8035 BTC [-]
Diablo-D3: this is the sound of several thousand investors shitting their pants in unison
Diablo-D3: jcpham: they're not preorder customers.
mircea_popescu: and obviously, all the people sending them free money.
Diablo-D3: bfl needs to stop referring to them in such an improper way
jcpham: maybe i didn't read the whole thread?
mircea_popescu: it's funny that not even a week ago inaba was intimating bfl is worth more than mpex
mircea_popescu: turns out it was worth more in the sense glbse was worth more :
copumpkin: you don't pay more tax than you would otherwise, but due to the discrepancy between your accounts and the tax reports, you need to adjust your accounts to factor in the increased rate
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22495 @ 0.0005167 = 11.6232 BTC [-]
copumpkin: but the tax rate did go up, so you would pay more tax
copumpkin: it's just a huge pain in the ass to account for it
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6205 @ 0.00051605 = 3.2021 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.0005182 = 1.2152 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15250 @ 0.00051822 = 7.9029 BTC [+]
gribble: Error: "rewardhalf" is not a valid command.
gribble: Estimated time of bitcoin block reward halving: Wed Nov 28 18:50:51 2012 UTC | Time remaining: 1 day, 0 hours, 30 minutes, and 0 seconds.
gribble: Error: "half" is not a valid command.
copumpkin: I haven't looked at the question since earlier
Diablo-D3: I have 24 hours to produce a block :<
jcpham: can we have an irc party
copumpkin: anyway, whatever it is, you need to account for it :)
jurov: Diablo-D3 maybe we can organize prayer marathon for you
mircea_popescu: copumpkin well, only need to account for it if you hadn't filed the taxes for the prev years, but anyway! my q was strictly cause it went down
copumpkin: no, it isn't about not filing them
copumpkin: it's about actual discrepancies in procedures
copumpkin: so you often need to depreciate things differently on your taxes and on your accounts
copumpkin: or account for warranty expenses differently
copumpkin: like if you have an asset, accounting standards have different ways you can depreciate it over time, but the taxes probably want a particular way called double-declining balance
copumpkin: which means that it looks like you lost more money to depreciation on your taxes than you did on your accounts
copumpkin: which means you paid less in taxes (Because they think you lost money to depreciation) today but your accounts don't show that depreciation because you used a different method on them
mircea_popescu: i don't like using any diff method than the tax method.
copumpkin: so you file a deferred tax liability saying "um, the tax man thinks we lost way more money than we did this year and charged us less taxes, but we haven't lost it yet"
copumpkin: that's the thing though, the IFRS has requirements for the depreciation method
copumpkin: and they don't all mesh with the tax method
copumpkin: sometimes they might ,depending on what kind of asset it is
copumpkin: also, warranty expenses are fucked as well for different reasons
mircea_popescu: but as long as you do everything the tax way you don't have a problem.
copumpkin: no, you do, because then you aren't meeting the US GAAP/IFRS standards
copumpkin: which means that auditors or the SEC might bitch
gribble: Estimated time of bitcoin block reward halving: Wed Nov 28 18:48:06 2012 UTC | Time remaining: 1 day, 0 hours, 20 minutes, and 0 seconds.
copumpkin: maybe smickles can provide a justification for the whole thing, but the best I can come up with is that a company's accounts serve a different purpose than its tax returns
copumpkin: mostly it just feels stupid though :P
copumpkin: but regardless, I need to know it, so I learn it
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00051395 = 1.2052 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30050 @ 0.00051392 = 15.4433 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2405 @ 0.00051294 = 1.2336 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: copumpkin they may bitch, but you can't really get into trouble by sticking with the tax version.
mircea_popescu: people in general don't do it because they'd like to present better numbers.
copumpkin: well, the discrepances can both favor you or work against you
copumpkin: that's why you can have deferred tax liabilities or assets
copumpkin: Like many other common law countries, the United States government does not directly set accounting standards by statute. However, the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) requires that US GAAP be followed in financial reporting by publicly traded companies
copumpkin: so if you're public, you can't just do what the taxes do
mircea_popescu: in truth, this deferred assets/liabilities game + the SPV game is pretty much 90% of why nobody knows what corps are reallty worth
mircea_popescu: takes people like buffett a month of combing to get a rough idea.
copumpkin: that's just cause he's an old fart and is dumb
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1095 @ 0.00051822 = 0.5675 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5660 @ 0.00052068 = 2.947 BTC [+]
copumpkin: mircea_popescu: just follow the fibonacci numbers on the price graph and you'll make way more money anyway
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8650 @ 0.00051452 = 4.4506 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 350 @ 0.00051298 = 0.1795 BTC [-]
smickles: 18:29 < copumpkin> maybe smickles can provide a justification for the whole thing, but the best I can come up with is that a company's accounts serve a different purpose than its tax returns <<< this is true, taxes are not handled the same way as responsible accounting
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052055 = 1.2207 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8155 @ 0.00052068 = 4.2461 BTC [+]
smickles: 18:30 < mircea_popescu> copumpkin they may bitch, but you can't really get into trouble by sticking with the tax version<<< the thing is, sticking to the tax version doesn't accurately represent the status of the company
mircea_popescu: well... a representation is a representation smickles.
mircea_popescu: all representations depend on presupositions to decode.
smickles: heh, trying to move this to an ontological discussion?
mircea_popescu: i really don't follow how anyone'd be foolish enough to sign two different accounting reports.
mircea_popescu: you then proceed to sign a different one, someone shows they contradict themselves and whoopla, you've perjured yourself.
mircea_popescu: as long as you're required to sign off on the tax one, it's the one. anyone doesn't like it can stand on his head.
smickles: but you sign the tax one saying that its correct in consideration of the way tax law says it has to be done
smickles: you sign the real one saying it's correct to to the standards
mircea_popescu: "correct to the best of your knowledge" is the usual formula.
smickles: and, iirc, the 'tax one' is not usually a report, it's the filed tax forms
mircea_popescu: but anyway. i guess such issues are why i;m neither an accountant nor would contemplate becoming one
smickles: and why I see money in understanding them
smickles: copumpkin: in order to consider that offer seriously, i'd have to know how far down i'd have to bring it
smickles: it might also be possible for next year's taxes, but not this years, as it could involve operating an off-shore company for the full year
copumpkin: mircea_popescu: I'm offering him 6 btc to take my effective tax rate to 15%
copumpkin: any more than that and it isn't worth it ;)
copumpkin: mircea_popescu: I have an offer for you. You lend me 100k btc, I pay you back 200k next week
copumpkin: perhaps I should've waited a little longer
copumpkin: mircea_popescu: disregard that, I'll ask again in a bit
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26500 @ 0.00051816 = 13.7312 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1104 @ 0.00051816 = 0.572 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17996 @ 0.00051972 = 9.3529 BTC [+]
smickles: copumpkin: are we talking, lowering it 18000 or lowering it more than that?
copumpkin: well, you can calculate based on my 7 btc limit!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9550 @ 0.00051972 = 4.9633 BTC [+]
copumpkin: smickles: it's sort of joking around though, because I doubt it's possible to lower much, since I don't work for myself or have a company and can't really deduct most of my expenses
copumpkin: which is where I think most of that sort of goodness comes from
smickles: if my assumptions are correct, as well as you not taking advantage of various things, it might actually be possible
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4100 @ 0.00051972 = 2.1309 BTC [+]
smickles: like, how much do you contribute to your retirement fund?
copumpkin: I have a pretty boring finanicial situation :)
smickles: well, if you don't have an IRA, we can knock of 5000 right there
copumpkin: yeah, I'm doing a backdoor roth IRA
smickles: well, do you pay for childcare?
copumpkin: nah, I'm unmarried, don't own a house, don't have children
smickles: plastered your home in solar pannels yet?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1995 @ 0.00051298 = 1.0234 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12126 @ 0.00051294 = 6.2199 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24703 @ 0.00051221 = 12.6531 BTC [-]
copumpkin: anyway, I was planning on maxing out the 401k pretax contribution next year, and squeezing more than is supposed to be possible into the roth
smickles: adopt a kid, in a certain way, start an education fund for it, and hire a nanny, that's about 20000 of lowering
copumpkin: but doesn't the nanny cost me money?
copumpkin: can I get a virtual kid, like a tamatochi?
smickles: heh, you didn't ask to make it better overall, you asked to get into the 15% bracket
smickles: also, the nanny might be paid for by EIC,
copumpkin: what if I knock up 20 different girls and claim 20 kids
copumpkin: but leave them to take care of them and don't pay childcare
smickles: they'd have to all be born this year :|
copumpkin: I think my best bet is to set up some sort of S-corp or something and then do "consulting" on the side that lets me deduct a bunch of things
smickles: I think you could also 'lend' a lot of money to your family, not charge interest, but be required to count a certain minimum amount of interest as income even tho you didn't charge it
jcpham: you guys are reminding me that i need an accountant
copumpkin: wait, why would counting additional income from non-existent interest be beneficial?
smickles: copumpkin: in this case, the corp should have all losses
copumpkin: oh, I'd count it as being due but not getting collected
jcpham: smickles is definitely my number one choice for ninja accountant
smickles: well, your investment in the corp would lower your income, and the corp wouldn't pay taxes because only profit is taxed
copumpkin: unfortunately, sending a bunch of money overseas to my parents will probably get me on a TSA watchlist for "funding terror" or something like that
smickles: and if we can't help but profit on this corp, we keep the money in the corp, and have it setup in ireland or somewhere good for taxes
smickles: plus, we must not forget, you can deduct the cost of tax prep from last year
copumpkin: I didn't spend much money on that :P
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.0005124 = 1.2016 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7483 @ 0.00051221 = 3.8329 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00051964 = 1.2186 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4655 @ 0.00051972 = 2.4193 BTC [+]
jurov: copumpkin, learn them how to exchange bitcoins :P
dub: I made the jesus mint sauce
dub: moar like mint beurre blanc but sweet
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00051951 = 1.2183 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11667 @ 0.00051972 = 6.0636 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8488 @ 0.00051972 = 4.4114 BTC [+]
gribble: Estimated time of bitcoin block reward halving: Wed Nov 28 19:06:53 2012 UTC | Time remaining: 23 hours, 30 minutes, and 0 seconds.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16700 @ 0.00052039 = 8.6905 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2000 @ 0.00052068 = 1.0414 BTC [+]
copumpkin: smickles: what made you decide you wanted to go into accounting?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9835 @ 0.00052068 = 5.1209 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10615 @ 0.00052182 = 5.5391 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6100 @ 0.00052182 = 3.1831 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12785 @ 0.00052182 = 6.6715 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11415 @ 0.00052279 = 5.9676 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1235 @ 0.00052279 = 0.6456 BTC [+]
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8300 @ 0.00052524 = 4.3595 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9569 @ 0.0005253 = 5.0266 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2869 @ 0.0005253 = 1.5071 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6650 @ 0.00052554 = 3.4948 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1000 @ 0.00052562 = 0.5256 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4431 @ 0.00052563 = 2.3291 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4932 @ 0.00052563 = 2.5924 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: as opposed to all the other girls people like not for their boobies
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.0005202 = 1.2199 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1055 @ 0.00051993 = 0.5485 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052021 = 1.2199 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1557 @ 0.00051993 = 0.8095 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20823 @ 0.00051991 = 10.8261 BTC [-]
smickles: 19:42 < copumpkin> smickles: what made you decide you wanted to go into accounting? <<< well, I actually like doing the work which is involved in most aspects of accounting. Also, once if figured out that it's actually a valuable service,... well, it seems like an honorable profession to me
Namjies: smickles: it is. Valuable services.
Namjies: Taxes and income reporting keeps getting more complex.
copumpkin: smickles: cool, seems like a good reason :)
Namjies: Also just keeping records can be burdensome for large enterprises.
smickles: Namjies: once they process my llc paperwork, i'll need a good webpage where people can order my services, it looks like you might be one of the peeps i ask for a bid on that from
Namjies: ... what do you want as a logo?
smickles: woah, i just realized it's not "nameworld"
Namjies: Hmm... odd. I see many websites with a logo similarly placed. I always liked it like that.
Namjies: Ah. What makes it look out of place?
Diablo-D3: Im guessing mp has not seen my boobies comment yet
mircea_popescu: Namjies i'm not an expert in design so i can't really cogently explain. it's a matter of style.
Namjies: Eh, I just hoped you could explain what in the graphic bothered you when placed there. Like the contrast with the black background. Or anything like that.
mircea_popescu: probably the sharp edges of the letters, their straightness, the spacing between M and W
JWU_42: i can't recall the format to get bitcoind to show more than 10 transactions
smickles: ah copumpkin I just thought of something
smickles: I'm not positive on it, but ... you're a hireling, right?
copumpkin: well, I'm "between jobs" right now
mircea_popescu: and it will be a girl, and she'll be really hot, and he'll be really bothered.
smickles: you are an employee of a company
smickles: if you form an llc, and get your employer to hire the llc instead of you, and your llc pays you a low salary, but high dividends, you'd be taxed at 15%
FabianB: mircea_popescu: y is -pr not in irc?
Namjies: Because mircea manage the IRC?
copumpkin: smickles: I'm not sure I can pull that off, but it'd be amusing if I could
copumpkin: smickles: but dividend rates are going up anyway, right?
FabianB: mircea_popescu: chat/gossip?
smickles: they hire the llc as a contractor,
smickles: they don't have to mess with witholding your taxes and such
smickles: -pr comes around to irc ocassionally
smickles: or someone pretending to be her
copumpkin: smickles: interesting. I'll look into it, but it might complicate compliance issues and things like that
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11783 @ 0.00052563 = 6.1935 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16772 @ 0.00052565 = 8.8162 BTC [+]
smickles: copumpkin: it make it to where you'd have to keep track of your own taxes and pay quarterly estimates
copumpkin: smickles: yeah, or hire someone else to do that for me :P
smickles: heh, that's what accountants are for :D
copumpkin: smickles: how common is it to give hired LLCs bonuses and stuff like that?
copumpkin: it seems like they'd typically be given fixed contract rates
smickles: copumpkin: i'd have to do research, but i'm sure bonuses could easily be part of contracts
dub: usually you wouldnt get bonuses but you are paid more up front
mircea_popescu: Diablo-D3 someone's been recently posting all these delicious healtyh women
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14678 @ 0.00052565 = 7.7155 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6630 @ 0.0005261 = 3.488 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: reward halves, bfl goes bankrupt, massive run on competitors, no asics till summer.
FabianB: if that's worst, what's best?
mircea_popescu: BFL delivers in december, 1 other competitor also delivers by january, diif > 20 mn by july, btc ~ 15ish
smickles: mircea_popescu: worst case senario, the reward halving causes so many people to stop mining, txns stagnate, killing the economy, by the time the diff adjusts or asics hit in full swing, no one is interested, price = .1
EskimoBob: "mircea_popescu | btc price = 50 on july 1st, diff ~5mn ?" - if no new and useful services, I think it will be more like 5 EUR
smickles: and that was b/f mircea knew SR was down for a long time
EskimoBob: no, I visited your site 3 months ago and it had pictures of rainbow ponies and I listing of some shares.
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052407 = 1.2289 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1147 @ 0.00052398 = 0.601 BTC [-]
smickles: mircea_popescu: the time to install the *actual* honeypot equipment?
mircea_popescu: if you upgrade you sanely set up the new server first then unplug
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052426 = 1.2294 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11305 @ 0.00052398 = 5.9236 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: think about it. pretty much the only funnier alternative is if boxxy made btc
kuzetsa: copumpkin: I don't consider the notion of nefario = satoshi to be any less plausible than gavin being satoshi
EskimoBob: i still don't know how it happened
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14348 @ 0.00052398 = 7.5181 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7752 @ 0.00052341 = 4.0575 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: kuzetsa well that's for sure, seeing how it ain't gavin.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla "smpake.com looks like a great idea. I'll read up on it."
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24600 @ 0.0005235 = 12.8781 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18950 @ 0.00052341 = 9.9186 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16300 @ 0.00052341 = 8.5316 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: doing some advertising for mpex/bitcoin on digitalpoint