assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 1 @ 0.6182 BTC [-]
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: this should be interesting
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 1 @ 0.6183 BTC [+]
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: photoshop one of those xbox achievement unlocked things
assbot: [MPEX] [B.MPCD.A] 40000 @ 0.00099999 = 39.9996 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [B.MPCD.C] 40000 @ 0.00100046 = 40.0184 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [B.MPCD.B] 40000 @ 0.00099998 = 39.9992 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [NYAN.A] 1 @ 0.99 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BFLS] 9 @ 0.48 = 4.32 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 1 @ 0.01500001 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [B.MPCD.A] [PAID] 350000 @ 0.00002 = 7 BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [B.MPCD.B] [PAID] 400000 @ 0.00003 = 12 BTC
rg: Diablo-D3: enzu just gave me two faulty disks
assbot: [MPEX] [B.MPCD.C] [PAID] 350000 @ 0.00009268 = 32.43671515 BTC
rg: i think you dodged a bullet
rg: as fucked up as that might seem
Diablo-D3: I dunno, I just have an entire load of dont give a fuck right now
rg: he didn't want to talk about it
rg: so i can only imagine
Diablo-D3: nenolod quit on him because he refused to quit fucking up
rg: he tells me everything usually
Diablo-D3: I dont know who this steve character is, but he sounds like a fucking asshole
Diablo-D3: not the kind of company DMC wants to be doing business with
rg: steve is the main guy
rg: but i think he's majority owner
rg: nick and neno were the frontends
Diablo-D3: steve accidently deleted half of neno's vpses
Diablo-D3: including the atheme and cia.vc ones
rg: when i terminate customers
rg: i usually leave their VMs
rg: or when people dont pay
rg: i still save the data, just in case i get an email like
Diablo-D3: yes, but he managed to alienate every customer ever with that move
rg: 'omg i was out of town'
rg: 'you have our main src tree!'
rg: cause its actually happened
Diablo-D3: rg: oh, and they want me to pay for my vps now
Diablo-D3: no more professional courtesy for nenolod
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30238 @ 0.00036223 = 10.9531 BTC [-]
rg: their vps are dirt cheap
rg: ill give you a free vps
rg: a small one but it will be free
rg: he'll either start his own place
rg: or go work for smeone
rg: he's still flush with cash
rg: so he could do anything
Diablo-D3: hes interested in the DMC plan, surprisingly
rg: he probably got like 100k from his vps company
rg: hes the one who complains when i get deals
Diablo-D3: I dunno, maybe Ill go work for nenolod for a change
rg: he was complaining that i didn't get charged for these two disks
rg: its a $45 charge to get two disks installed
rg: you took 3 days to do it
rg: 8 weeks til block half!!!
assbot: [GLBSE] [NASTY] 4 @ 0.45899999 = 1.836 BTC [+]
rg: my litecoin pool is LIGHTING it up
rg: i did over 700 LTC the other day
rg: that's like 200 over average
nenolod: the returns on OBSI.HRPT became disappointing.
Diablo-D3: obsi is closing all of his assets and buying everything back
nenolod: oh, so *you* are the reason i quit making decent BTC per day
Diablo-D3: large miner and also ran a pirate passthrough
nenolod: and then my OBSI.HRPT went to shit
Diablo-D3: yup, you can thank nefario for all of that
Diablo-D3: no one asked him to lock DMC's account and fuck over the market
nenolod: i wonder which is more reliable
Diablo-D3: nenolod: anyhow, I repurchased almost half of the DMC shares out there
Diablo-D3: Im probably going to keep repurchasing them until nefario pulls his head out of his ass
mircea_popescu: Diablo-D3 if you rebuy the entire lot that'll prolly be the best closure for dmc.
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: that'll take awhile
mircea_popescu: think about it this way : if anyone bought at ipo 1 btc and sold at .05 or w/e, they took a 95 btc loss per 100 shares
mircea_popescu: if you put in 100 btc of your own money that won't hurt anything.
Diablo-D3: and where do I GET 100btc of my own money?
nenolod: rg: soooo glad my shit runs in a ramdisk
Luceo: 100 BTC is only like $1200
mircea_popescu: nenolod sucks. then again, glbse has lost people more than pirate
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 1 @ 0.02069624 BTC [+]
Luceo: I lost over 500 BTC on pirate :/
nenolod: i think it would have been better spent playing Dragon's Tale.
Diablo-D3: I dont trust nefario with anything anymore
Diablo-D3: he just fucks up anything he touches
nenolod: or perhaps getting e-tail on secondlife
Diablo-D3: I think if I ever start another company, Im only going to take money from professional VCs.
Diablo-D3: at least they arent fucktards and know how the game is played
nenolod: mircea_popescu: been there, done that
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: he has that sitting like 5 feet from him
nenolod: mircea_popescu: but that involves currency exchanges
mircea_popescu: just give her cascucisocosacacuricocosuco wtf his name is coins
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8362 @ 0.00036223 = 3.029 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37568 @ 0.00036015 = 13.5301 BTC [-]
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu fails at roman names.
Diablo-D3: says the guy that blogs about beating women with a stick
nenolod: gonna dump way more than 500 BTC in it
Diablo-D3: nenolod: yes, glbse is a scam and it scammed my investors out of every dime and it scammed me out of a company.
nenolod: shut up your company wasn't incorporated in maine
rg: nenolod: lol i used those 2TB disks again
nenolod: rg: i don't work at enzu anymore
rg: im har haring with you
nenolod: rg: i'm not unhappy about that
rg: about shitty hardware
rg: they have a support guy now
rg: his last name is Kumar
rg: no i forget his first name
nenolod: they already fired Roy and Travis?
rg: its just funny cause its kumar
rg: i dont know what im going to do
rg: i need 4TB in this server
nenolod: rg: i walked away from enzu after their support lead guy said i was a "level 2 tech" and yet i spent my time doing /his/ job, as well as my own
rg: and this stupid i7 only has 2 hd slots
rg: i thougt you were the lead support
nenolod: rg: no they spliced in more management
nenolod: rg: because, management is always the solution!
rg: lets just blame it on steve
rg: even if he didn't do it
nenolod: steve has assburgers syndrome
rg: that wouldn ot surprise me
rg: it would explain a lot
nenolod: "we need to get 1gbit of PCCW on 10gbit link"
rg: how are you meant to do that
nenolod: <PCCW guy> ok we can do that at $1/mbit and have it installed tomorrow, we just need your CEO to sign off
rg: you're not authorized to buy
nenolod: <steve> "actually we need something else, ask them if they can do something else"
nenolod: i mean i worked leads that i will not be able to work anymore because i got burned
nenolod: rg: i am just wondering when the rapidxen brand necrophilia will start
rg: i decided not to get any more boxes from enzu
nenolod: the funny thing about steve is
rg: i have a few that will need to be maintained
nenolod: when you prove that he contradicted himself
nenolod: yay for being out of hosting
rg: Alec knows that you need staff
rg: but he has proper staff
rg: things he cant do.. he has people to do
rg: and that's what enzu doesnt have
nenolod: rg: things were going great when steve shut up and let me do my job
rg: nick is kinda patronizing sometimes
rg: hes like asking me to prove the disks are faulty
rg: its from a batch of disks we KNOW were defective
rg: why do i need to show you systme logs
assbot: [GLBSE] [FDBF] 12 @ 0.149253 = 1.791 BTC [+]
nenolod: rg: i got some pretty cool things going on at enzu for a little while anyway
rg: i mean, you ruined my raid array
nenolod: i didn't do any permanent damage to it
nenolod: and that wasn't my fault, actually
nenolod: the stupid webbios crap fucked me
rg: you finally handed the box bac over to me
rg: and i got what i needed
rg: at least you knew when to give it over
nenolod: and steve was shouting in my ear saying "don't do that!"
nenolod: i am like "fuck you, i'm doing that, fire me if you want"
rg: but i dont give a shit
assbot: [MPEX] [B.MPCD.A] 45616 @ 0.00100002 = 45.6169 BTC [+]
rg: the service he provides is shit
nenolod: i probably shouldn't talk shit about enzu until this rsync finishes
nenolod: i guess i won't have to worry about running kash(1) on this machine
rg: those RE3's havent failed yet
nenolod: since i could just see steve as the type of guy
nenolod: who would take a tromp through my dedi
nenolod: to see if he could steal any of my own IP
rg: you know what we should do
rg: with your rapidxen money
rg: and make a tv show about it
nenolod: vanilla ice up in this shit
rg: 'two beginners, flush with cash, take the housing market by STORM'
rg: and we script in mistakes
rg: and make it a learning thing
nenolod: "OH SHIT, THAT WAS AN ENZU-GRADE FUCK UP THERE"
nenolod: "BY THE WAY NEVER GO WITH ENZU FOR HOSTING THEY WILL DO THIS WITH YOUR SERVER LOLOLOLOL"
Diablo-D3: steve is basically a kash-grade ceo
Diablo-D3: [06:58:39] <nenolod> shut up your company wasn't incorporated in maine
nenolod: rg: in my 13 year old career of doing this, i've worked from everyone from stallman to phillip rosedale, and i have yet to meet anyone as fucked up in the head as CEO as steve is
rg: we're incorporated in Florida
rg: not cause grubles lives there
rg: cause it was the cheapest
rg: yeah we paid like $80 for fl
nenolod: "i want to start a company"
Diablo-D3: but at least the tax money would stay in maine
mircea_popescu: i think i paid like 150 but it included a bunch of trims
rg: lots of people do delaware
rg: i think it looks sketchy
nenolod: oklahoma lets you create bullshit legal entities
mircea_popescu: if i did just registration it would have been like 70 or something i think
rg: i wonder what ever happened with my better business burea complaint
rg: i responded to the guy
nenolod: enzu has an F rating with BBB
rg: this guy claimed the enzu dc wasnt in california
rg: and that it was in nevada
rg: and because of that, he should get a 2 month refund
rg: diablo-d3: this box was in california
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 3 @ 0.6 = 1.8 BTC [-]
rg: he never complained once in two months
rg: then he didn't pay his bill on time
nenolod: i've seen steve's fibres in the MMR before
nenolod: before even working for enzu
rg: im pretty sure the BBB discarded the complaint
rg: maybe i can find the url
nenolod: i worked with the guy who invented fucking Mork
rg: Case ADMINISTRATIVELY CLOSED (More)
nenolod: and steve is more crazy than that guy
nenolod: and that guy is bonafide crazy has multiple personalities which fucking debate each other on IRC
nenolod: and steve is more crazy than that guy
nenolod: the guy is all over the place
Diablo-D3: has anyone even seen nefario lately, btw?
rg: our BBB rating isnt great
Diablo-D3: I think all companies should boycott it
assbot: [GLBSE] [BBBB] 119 @ 0.000128 = 0.0152 BTC [-]
rg: yeah we werent even signed up for it
rg: when i got it i was like wtf?
Diablo-D3: its a private company that is paid by its members to protect companies
Diablo-D3: you are not a customer and it damages your company's reputation to be associated with them
rg: i dont go suing people
rg: BBB found business made good faith effort to resolve complaint but customer not satisfied with business response
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 15295 @ 0.0034 = 52.003 BTC [+]
rg: "BitVPS did what they were supposed to and the customer was an asshole'
rg: enzu is in steadfast now
rg: if i could get the same E5 i have now
Diablo-D3: at least then I know it'd be ran competently =/
rg: Chicago is a very popular node for us
rg: so getting more would be good
rg: i like to do it like this:
rg: 2 machines in the same state, hosted by different ISPs
rg: which we do in cali, we have WebNX and Enzu
rg: in Chicago, we'd have SingleHop and Steadfast
nenolod: i wish i had sold SIP to someone other than Enzu
assbot: [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 10 @ 0.0034 = 0.034 BTC [-]
rg: in Dallas, we'd have TMS (horrible) and probably that guy in#bitcoin-otc's company
rg: you can sniff every single customer
Diablo-D3: nenolod: DMC was going to start reselling enzu's shit, but not now
rg: i had to setup static arp cause of their incompetance
rg: yeah good thing you didn't
rg: i was going to sabotage you
rg: i had a plan and everything
rg: but im glad i didn't have to do it
Diablo-D3: you couldnt plan your way out of a wet paper bag
rg: yeah... have you ever seen me slander anyone?
rg: cause they all died from it
rg: you dont want none of that pie
Diablo-D3: rg: dude, people think I ran lilo over with a ford taraus
Diablo-D3: are you REALLY sure you want to piss me off?
rg: cause you ran over some source code with a car?
rg: wtf do i care about that?
Diablo-D3: nenolod: halp, rg is is trolling me :<
rg: no i dont understand what you mean
rg: freenode is a stupid name
rg: and the 3 prior networks sucked too
assbot: [GLBSE] [BITBOND] 1 @ 0.30320001 BTC [-]
Diablo-D3: the previous three names were worse
assbot: [GLBSE] [BITBOND] 2 @ 0.3032 = 0.6064 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BITBOND] 16 @ 0.3031 = 4.8496 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BITBOND] 10 @ 0.303 = 3.03 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BITBOND] 1 @ 0.30291 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BITBOND] 5 @ 0.30271 = 1.5136 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BITBOND] 2 @ 0.3027 = 0.6054 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BITBOND] 2 @ 0.3026 = 0.6052 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BITBOND] 3 @ 0.3025 = 0.9075 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BITBOND] 2 @ 0.302301 = 0.6046 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BITBOND] 4 @ 0.3008 = 1.2032 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BITBOND] 1 @ 0.2902 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BITBOND] 1 @ 0.29 BTC [-]
nenolod: Diablo-D3: rob levin was a friend of mine and really discussing the tragic incident of him being hit by an automobile has really become daft to discuss
rg: glbse assets are too damn expensive
nenolod: glbse assets are not worth the website they are presented on
nenolod: which is pretty sad because glbse itself is shit
rg: probably cause glbse is enzu powered
assbot: [GLBSE] [PUREMINING] 1 @ 0.10276 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [PUREMINING] 2 @ 0.10277 = 0.2055 BTC [+]
rg: do you want a free vps
rg: im not going to leave the offer on the table
nenolod: sure, i could use some free vpses not hosted by enzu
rg: you're not an asshole
rg: i was talking to diablo
rg: he was complaining about getting billed by enzu
nenolod: rg: i made richard stallman cry
rg: i dont know who any of these people are
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5300 @ 0.0003586 = 1.9006 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19500 @ 0.00035838 = 6.9884 BTC [-]
nenolod: admittedly, i was grilling him over dotgnu when he did so
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30826 @ 0.00035828 = 11.0443 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14700 @ 0.00035824 = 5.2661 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68400 @ 0.00035814 = 24.4968 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59000 @ 0.0003581 = 21.1279 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23000 @ 0.00035808 = 8.2358 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64354 @ 0.00035799 = 23.0381 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7317 @ 0.00035798 = 2.6193 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66700 @ 0.00035768 = 23.8573 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36000 @ 0.00035751 = 12.8704 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16123 @ 0.00035714 = 5.7582 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39000 @ 0.00035712 = 13.9277 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29000 @ 0.00035677 = 10.3463 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28300 @ 0.00035651 = 10.0892 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52886 @ 0.00035645 = 18.8512 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14700 @ 0.00035632 = 5.2379 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28000 @ 0.00035627 = 9.9756 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14579 @ 0.00035605 = 5.1909 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17800 @ 0.00035601 = 6.337 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5400 @ 0.00035585 = 1.9216 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52700 @ 0.00035541 = 18.7301 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41690 @ 0.00035511 = 14.8045 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70300 @ 0.00035469 = 24.9347 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6900 @ 0.00035337 = 2.4383 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58300 @ 0.00035268 = 20.5612 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52100 @ 0.00035041 = 18.2564 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42000 @ 0.00035038 = 14.716 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35125 @ 0.00035 = 12.2938 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1day: 0.00035 / 0.00036095 / 0.00036664 (3896786 shares, 1,406.58 BTC), 30day: 0.00034 / 0.0003918 / 0.00042 (62261778 shares, 24,394.38 BTC)
rg: if it goes a little lower
rg: i wonder if that 0004 was a fluke
mircea_popescu: it made ~4500 btc last month, wyhich is like... 25% of all btc mined that interval
mircea_popescu: and as a result these assholes sold me into shit :( 42 to 35
rg: they shoulda made me the admin of DMC
mircea_popescu: for one, it's market cap is like 350k btc. for the other, share went up not down.
nenolod: they should have made me the admin of DMC
rg: i would love to give diablo his tiny pittance
nenolod: rg: they should have made STEVE the admin of DMC.
nenolod: steve used bitcoin for like
nenolod: and was like "omg i didn't make any moniez"
assbot: [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 304 @ 0.0034 = 1.0336 BTC [-]
rg: they join thinking theyre going to make $1mil
assbot: [GLBSE] [JAH] 3 @ 0.11 = 0.33 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [JAH] 1 @ 0.104 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [JAH] 5 @ 0.101 = 0.505 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [JAH] 26 @ 0.100001 = 2.6 BTC [-]
rg: and pirateat40 steals it all
OneEyed: Eh, according to betsofbitcoin, I had bet that MPEX would not be hacked before the end of September. Did I win?
OneEyed: (I had totally forgotten about that bet)
nenolod: i'd go get a private island and not give a shit
OneEyed: Total disagree bets: 11.72
OneEyed: (agree means "MPEX will get hacked")
rg: i was looking at the private island website the other day
rg: i would get an island on a huge lake
rg: so i can still get internet/power
rg: id love an island in hte middle of no where but i wont be able to deal with satelite internet
OneEyed: My 0.1 should get me back around 0.381 due to the way bets are weighted
mircea_popescu: OneEyed you can't get more than the total agree can you
rg: mircea_popescu: its kinda expensive to get the cable co to run a 20mi coax through a body of water
rg: though i could totally run it myself
rg: and just have a splitter
nenolod: rg: just get someone high on meth with an AR-15
rg: but then id be vulnerable to sabotage
nenolod: rg: that will keep bitcoin people away
OneEyed: mircea_popescu: fortunately, as in every bets, the amount paid by the winners is redistributed as well :)
rg: i guess i should probably stop bdk_kludges vps
rg: since he defaulted and didn't pay his bill
rg: that'll free up a nice chunk of ram
OneEyed: mircea_popescu: the total amount paid by betters is redistributed to winners, minus 5% fee for the site and 5% for the creator of the bet if I remember well
OneEyed: My weighted bet is 60.909 according to the site
OneEyed: For a total of 1729.980 weighted winning bets
OneEyed: So I get: (0.30+11.72)*.9*60.909/1729.980
OneEyed: mircea_popescu: yes, the sooner you bet, the more your bet weights
mircea_popescu: well, thanks for your early faith, it obviously was well placed.
rg: that's a cheeseburger+fries at a low end fast food joint
nenolod: AOLserver is actually a pretty nice product.
rg: that's why im saying dont hate
rg: its completely irrelevant today
OneEyed: Weighting bets makes sense, as the closer to the deadline you are, the less undecided the issue is, in most cases at least
mircea_popescu: To promote early bettors on a statement, we distribute 45% of the lost bets such that early bettors get a larger share.
OneEyed: I'll get: .1 + .3*.45*60.909/1729.980 + .3*.45*.1/11.72
OneEyed: .py .1 + .3*.45*60.909/1729.980 + .3*.45*.1/11.72
nenolod: Diablo-D3: is this ADSL2+?
mircea_popescu: these people have a nice business. who owns betsofbitco.in ?
OneEyed: Who gets 5% of the losing bets anyway
OneEyed: So he only lost .85 by creating the bet :)
mircea_popescu: OneEyed yes but i bet you most bets don't get 2btc of losing bets.
OneEyed: This is probably to encourage you to create well-balanced bets
OneEyed: Which is also a good thing in itself
nenolod: rg: so did Diablo-D3 take his free replacement vps?
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 3400 @ 0.00044186 = 1.5023 BTC [+]
nenolod: bitcoin savings and macrolending
nenolod: if only i was not a dual US/UK citizen
nenolod: i'd soooooo make a ponzi on this shit
nenolod: totally legit(tm) investment
Diablo-D3: adsl2+ with all the annexes maxes out at 24/3.5
Diablo-D3: [07:26:57] <nenolod> Diablo-D3: rob levin was a friend of mine and really discussing the tragic incident of him being hit by an automobile has really become daft to discuss
Diablo-D3: nenolod: hey, he was my friend too damnit
Diablo-D3: nenolod: where did you put your shit?
mircea_popescu: where upstaged baby is obviously rhyming slang for usagi
OneEyed: mircea_popescu: don't underestimate the problem: they are fighting over a whole 4 BTC!
OneEyed: usagi: he passed a motion at your request from what I see, you required that to pay *him* back
OneEyed: as it is not insurance because of a default, but cancellation of the contract
rg: i might make a chicken omelette
rg: has anyone heard of thatb efore?
rg: i like all those things
rg: but im not sure if they should be mixed
rg: i could also make some noodles with the chicken
OneEyed: usagi: I don't troll, I just try to understand what I read. If you call that trolling, then call it trolling, but I'm hardly trying to escalate the debate into some heated argument or make anyone lose time
OneEyed: I did. And I read that Ian Bakewell required that the contract be cancelled and the premiums reimbursed. And I seem to understand you agreed to that if his shareholders did agree as well.
OneEyed: And I also totally agree that if there was a default, then you should pay the shareholders directly, not Ian Bakewell, as per the contract.
rg: ;;gettrust mircea_popescu
rg: ;;gettrust [ident diablo-d3]
gribble: Trust relationship from user rg to user Nick 'diablo-d3', with hostmask 'Diablo-D3!~diablo@pool-64-222-225-145.port.east.myfairpoint.net', is not identified.: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph:
http://serajewelks.bitcoin-otc.com/trustgraph.php?source=rg&dest=Nick 'diablo-d3', with hostmask 'Diablo-D3!~diablo@pool-64-222-225-145.port.east.myfairpoint.net', is not identified.
OneEyed: Apparently, you should trust me more than I should trust you :)
rg: ;;gettrust coingenuity
nenolod: Diablo-D3: i just kicked in the 'nenolod hosting continuity endgame scenario'
rg: if you started a hosting company
rg: i would buy boxes from you
nenolod: rg: you should talk to openitc
nenolod: i don't want to do hosting
rg: that's not the relationship we have
nenolod: i want to sell beer for a living
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6570 @ 0.00035896 = 2.3584 BTC [+]
rg: bitvps needs a stable dedicated server provider
rg: i thought it was enzu
rg: i know some other people who have nice stuff but $$
rg: you know gnax and i dont get along
rg: i dont tolerate shit from our DCs
rg: i will inconvenience 30 customers to move
mircea_popescu: so why the hell is usagi attacking bakewell now. he seems reasonable enough ? am i missing something ?
nenolod: rg: i don't really want to get into hosting
rg: getting into hosting now is like getting into bitcoin mining now
rg: lots of work for little output
rg: why the hell isnt this transaction confirming
nenolod: Diablo-D3: i kicked in the 'nenolod hosting continuity endgame scenario'
nenolod: Diablo-D3: wherein i took advantage of certain realities, to acquire hosting elsewhere at very cost-efficient prices.
nenolod: Diablo-D3: you see, i have had a contingency plan for that for years
Chaang-Noi: i wonder if nefario is aware of this...
assbot: Requesting data from GLBSE (might take a while, also might return fishy results as it does not account for splits etc).
assbot: BMF [1@0.49BTC] (since: 2012-09-25) paid: 0.01112149 BTC. Last price: 0.49 BTC. Capital gain: 0 BTC. Total: 0.01112149 BTC. (2.3%)
Chaang-Noi: i really wonder if that was by design or if nefario just is that ignorant.
Chaang-Noi: oh, i guess he just does not care about privacy
Chaang-Noi: seems important if you ar trying to sell an anon stock exchange...
mircea_popescu: i feel kind of sorry for the poor suckers who sent him passport pics or w/e
assbot: [GLBSE] [YABMC] 1 @ 0.07961 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [NASTY] 1 @ 0.459 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [NASTY] 3 @ 0.45995 = 1.3799 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [NASTY] 1 @ 0.4697 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [NASTY] 8 @ 0.4698 = 3.7584 BTC [+]
jurov: mircea, that link says Acest articol nu este disponibil gratis.
Chaang-Noi: i was not that stupid... i sent it to gox, and wish i had not... but id never send to glbse
Luceo: I sent it to no-one
Luceo: I'm a bit paranoid that Gox will ask me to prove that my name really is Doctor Robotnik though :(
jurov: no problem, you'll have to fake the ID and electricity bill
mircea_popescu: jurov you p[rolly read more than 5 this week. it's a paid site.
Diablo-D3: how the hell does this channel talk this much
rg: i think this chicken omelette is going to be god
rg: i only have one person on block
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5900 @ 0.00036221 = 2.137 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39800 @ 0.00036097 = 14.3666 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [KRAKEN] 5 @ 0.008 = 0.04 BTC [-]
smickles: < mircea_popescu> smickles why do you keep spelling principal "principle" ? << becuase i am flawd ;) um, tell me this is just in irc, and not in some signed document I produce
assbot: [GLBSE] [NASTY] 1 @ 0.41020001 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [NASTY] 2 @ 0.4102 = 0.8204 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [NASTY] 9 @ 0.4101 = 3.6909 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [NASTY] 18 @ 0.41 = 7.38 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [NASTY] 10 @ 0.401 = 4.01 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [YABMC] 2 @ 0.07102003 = 0.142 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [YABMC] 1 @ 0.07102002 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [YABMC] 1 @ 0.07102 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [YABMC] 7 @ 0.071 = 0.497 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [YABMC] 3 @ 0.07052 = 0.2116 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [YABMC] 15 @ 0.0705 = 1.0575 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [YABMC] 1 @ 0.07047 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [YABMC] 12 @ 0.07045 = 0.8454 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [YABMC] 1 @ 0.0704 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [YABMC] 1 @ 0.07038 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [YABMC] 1 @ 0.07036 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [YABMC] 1 @ 0.07034 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [YABMC] 4 @ 0.070321 = 0.2813 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 1800 @ 0.00044186 = 0.7953 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 10 @ 0.019 = 0.19 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 1 @ 0.018 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 9 @ 0.018 = 0.162 BTC [-]
jurov: he's man of principles :)
assbot: [GLBSE] [RAREEARTH] 19 @ 0.00999999 = 0.19 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 5 @ 0.11189999 = 0.5595 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [HYDRO.BONDS] 2 @ 1.41998 = 2.84 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [YABMC] 2 @ 0.07960999 = 0.1592 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [YABMC] 18 @ 0.07961 = 1.433 BTC [+]
Luceo: I dont think I have anyone on IRC ignored
Luceo: And only one on forums
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13873 @ 0.00036097 = 5.0077 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BITBOND] 1 @ 0.29010001 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BITBOND] 3 @ 0.2901 = 0.8703 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BITBOND] 2 @ 0.29 = 0.58 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BITBOND] 1 @ 0.2804 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BITBOND] 3 @ 0.28020001 = 0.8406 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BITBOND] 1 @ 0.27983999 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BITBOND] 30 @ 0.2752 = 8.256 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BITBOND] 500 @ 0.275 = 137.5 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BITBOND] 1 @ 0.27 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [PUREMINING] 1 @ 0.10277 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: lmao how many more satoshi* and *dice sites can there be
assbot: [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 290 @ 0.0034 = 0.986 BTC [-]
assbot: Requesting data from GLBSE (might take a while, also might return fishy results as it does not account for splits etc).
assbot: MPOE.ETF [1@0.1BTC] paid: 0.02470282 BTC. Last price: 0.3 BTC. Capital gain: 0.2 BTC. Total: 0.22470282 BTC. (224.7%)
assbot: [GLBSE:MPOE.ETF] [Bid: 0.3] [Ask: 1.19999999] [Spread: 0.89999999] [Last: 0.3] [24hVol: ] [7dAvg: 0.645]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 2 @ 0.0034 = 0.0068 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: smickles maybe you should sell some s.mpoe put some buys in ?
smickles: mircea_popescu: i'm actually about to do something about that
smickles: and MPOE.ETF isn't actually a passthru, but there isn't a S.MPOE passthru on GLBSE
mircea_popescu: ya it's a fund, which is why i said about selling some shares to put bids, you actually have the flexibility to do that
smickles: I sent 'em a pm presenting the facts and requested an edit be made :/
mircea_popescu: you could prolly make money by tapping the glbse equity flight
mircea_popescu: as in, put buys in 5% or 10% under what you get for the shares on mpex
smickles: up until recently, I was considering a lower % than 5/10
mircea_popescu: .3 means what, less than 30% of current s.mpoe value ?
assbot: [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 155 @ 0.0034 = 0.527 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: Local Rules: the following accounts are banned from posting in this thread: Puppet, EskimoBob, Deprived, Factory, nimda, 556j, MPOE-PR, cunicula and guruvan.
mircea_popescu: someone should make a forum post whereby the forum is forbidden from posting
gribble: (last [--{from,in,on,with,without,regexp} <value>] [--nolimit]) -- Returns the last message matching the given criteria. --from requires a nick from whom the message came; --in requires a channel the message was sent to; --on requires a network the message was sent on; --with requires some string that had to be in the message; --regexp requires a regular expression the message must (1 more message)
gribble: nefario was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 6 days, 18 hours, 7 minutes, and 54 seconds ago: <nefario> Those assets are not listed or traded anymore
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 1087 @ 0.00044185 = 0.4803 BTC [-]
rg: today is the worst day
rg: cause i have to look at how much mone ywe have
rg: and i need to send like $100 on a stupid upgrade for our billing system
rg: cause they revoked our license
rg: cause theyre french retards
rg: i got packeted last niht
smickles: well, does anyone have some btc 'on' GLBSE so as to facilitate a quick deposit for me?
rg: i know someone who does
smickles: mircea_popescu: smpake does glbse now?
rg: i hate this part of the month
rg: look how much money we have
rg: we gotta pay all our bills
smickles: rg, that's why you do cost basis, not cash basis accounting ;P
rg: i knowh ow to add the monies
rg: and subtract the monies
rg: and multiply the monies
rg: but i use gribble for that
rg: some GNU piece of shit quickbooks replacement
smickles: gnucash supports bitcoin/ 8 decimals?
rg: nominet is dropping the co from co.uk
rg: no one takes co.anything seriously
jcpham: i would help you admin a gay porn site
jcpham: just so you can get the domain
assbot: [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 72 @ 0.0034 = 0.2448 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 1695 @ 0.00044185 = 0.7489 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 7000 @ 0.00044185 = 3.093 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 105 @ 0.00044185 = 0.0464 BTC [-]
smickles: mircea_popescu: have you come across thos 'hysterical literature' videos on youtube?
smickles: they remind me of a warhol video
assbot: [GLBSE] [FPGAMINING] 8 @ 0.4699 = 3.7592 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BMF] 1 @ 0.45 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BMF] 1 @ 0.40000001 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 5528 @ 0.0034 = 18.7952 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BMMO] 1 @ 0.04000007 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BMMO] 3 @ 0.04000001 = 0.12 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BMMO] 25 @ 0.04 = 1 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20900 @ 0.00035853 = 7.4933 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32600 @ 0.00036081 = 11.7624 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 5 @ 0.59919993 = 2.996 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [MMM] 14 @ 0.6 = 8.4 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [NASTY] 1 @ 0.43 BTC [+]
PsychoticBoy: seriously that is f*cking sick, probably got wacked against the wall when she was a baby
Diablo-D3: <mircea_popescu> I'd whack her against the wall if you know what I mean
Diablo-D3: the only stripping there involves paint stripper
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 3000 @ 0.00044186 = 1.3256 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 7500 @ 0.00044186 = 3.314 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50200 @ 0.00035823 = 17.9831 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50274 @ 0.00035811 = 18.0036 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4171 @ 0.00035552 = 1.4829 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57400 @ 0.00035541 = 20.4005 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30600 @ 0.0003542 = 10.8385 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1463171 @ 0.00035 = 512.1099 BTC [-]
Eisenhower34: what a deep knowledge :9 bet he woke up next to one last night
assbot: [GLBSE] [BITBOND] 1 @ 0.32 BTC [+]
Eisenhower34: just a hint, its not only the makeup, also the alcohol :)
assbot: [GLBSE] [BITBOND] 1 @ 0.29000001 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BITBOND] 5 @ 0.29 = 1.45 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 1 @ 0.59979999 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BITBOND] 1 @ 0.29000001 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BITBOND] 1 @ 0.29 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BITBOND] 1 @ 0.29000001 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BITBOND] 1 @ 0.29 BTC [-]
Azelphur: Is that such an amazing trait? o.O
assbot: [GLBSE] [GOLD] 3 @ 0.00999998 = 0.03 BTC [-]
Diablo-D3: usagi: okay so fine, Im a giant robot pilot
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14700 @ 0.00035498 = 5.2182 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BBBB] 1 @ 0.00015999 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BBBB] 196 @ 0.00016 = 0.0314 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61800 @ 0.00035559 = 21.9755 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7027 @ 0.00036081 = 2.5354 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37032 @ 0.00036249 = 13.4237 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14141 @ 0.00036422 = 5.1504 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1day: 0.00035 / 0.00035512 / 0.00036664 (3646645 shares, 1,295.00 BTC), 30day: 0.00034 / 0.00039062 / 0.00042 (64063806 shares, 25,024.88 BTC)
assbot: [GLBSE] [YABMC] 6 @ 0.07961 = 0.4777 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [YABMC] 4 @ 0.07971 = 0.3188 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1day: 0.0034 / 0.0034 / 0.0034 (16195 shares, 55.06 BTC), 30day: 0.0033 / 0.00337125 / 0.0034 (2079730 shares, 7,011.31 BTC)
assbot: [MPEX:S.BVPS] 1day: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 30day: 0.001175 / 0.00342157 / 0.003801 (52687 shares, 180.27 BTC)
assbot: [GLBSE] [BITBOND] 4 @ 0.21999999 = 0.88 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BITBOND] 1 @ 0.22 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BVPS] 150 @ 0.00341357 = 0.512 BTC [+]
rg: just the man i need to see
MrTiggr: mircea_popescu: that is based off the "unconfirmed transactions" feed ... every dot is a btc address .. the lines are coins moving between them ... the line color is the same for coins moved in the same transaction
MrTiggr: known bitcoin addresses are labelled
MrTiggr: layout uses a force-directed algo to best position stuff
MrTiggr: turn autolayout on for best effect
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 1 @ 0.6 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 4 @ 0.59515 = 2.3806 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 10 @ 0.595 = 5.95 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 8 @ 0.5901 = 4.7208 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 1 @ 0.59 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 1 @ 0.58095 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 1 @ 0.5807 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 3 @ 0.58050001 = 1.7415 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 1 @ 0.5805 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 1 @ 0.5803 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 1 @ 0.58 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 1 @ 0.57 BTC [-]
rg: im glad we have some action today
rg: id like to see some more
assbot: [GLBSE] [BBBB] 500 @ 0.00016 = 0.08 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 13 @ 0.11189999 = 1.4547 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.1119 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [PUREMINING] 1 @ 0.09030001 BTC [-]
rg: we gotta pay these bills son
gribble: grubles was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 34 minutes and 48 seconds ago: <grubles> !ticker s.bvps
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30693 @ 0.00036422 = 11.179 BTC [+]
rg: i could just pay them all in btc
rg: but i was a lamer and lent some money to a friend
rg: i wish i had some muscle
rg: then i could do lending
rg: you dont pay, fine, as long as its worth your knee cap
rg: two taps to 1 knee cap
assbot: [GLBSE] [MOVETO.FUND] 1 @ 0.56100009 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 5 @ 0.6089 = 3.0445 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [PUREMINING] 1 @ 0.10256999 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [PUREMINING] 2 @ 0.10257 = 0.2051 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TEEK.USD] 1 @ 0.0625 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [NASTY] 1 @ 0.45389999 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [NASTY] 1 @ 0.4539 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [MU] 1 @ 0.18998999 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [MU] 2 @ 0.18999 = 0.38 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.11189999 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [SILVER] 1 @ 0.0095 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [SILVER] 11 @ 0.00935001 = 0.1029 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [SILVER] 27 @ 0.0091111 = 0.246 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [SILVER] 3 @ 0.0091 = 0.0273 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [SILVER] 45 @ 0.009 = 0.405 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [RAREEARTH] 5 @ 0.00999999 = 0.05 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [RAREEARTH] 10 @ 0.0099 = 0.099 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [RAREEARTH] 10 @ 0.0098 = 0.098 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [RAREEARTH] 10 @ 0.0097 = 0.097 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [RAREEARTH] 2 @ 0.00960001 = 0.0192 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [RAREEARTH] 13 @ 0.0096 = 0.1248 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [RAREEARTH] 4 @ 0.0095 = 0.038 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [RAREEARTH] 1 @ 0.0092 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [RAREEARTH] 15 @ 0.00900125 = 0.135 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 200 @ 0.00044186 = 0.0884 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [MU] 2 @ 0.18999 = 0.38 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [MU] 5 @ 0.19 = 0.95 BTC [+]
Azelphur: the downsides of having a name that begins with A, I'm high up on all the userlists :p
grubles: Azelphur, you wrote pympex right?
grubles: ive signed the mpex key, and yet i still get "Couldn't decode the reply from MPEx...blah" errors
Luceo: ffs why have the butts started again? :(
Azelphur: grubles: all my python does is call gnupg library, which runs the gpg executable
Azelphur: so key decryption not working is 99.9% on gpg side
Luceo: EskimoBob: or just /umode +R
assbot: [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 292 @ 0.00388887 = 1.1356 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 2708 @ 0.00388888 = 10.5311 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ARS] 50 @ 0.0148 = 0.74 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [YABMC] 2 @ 0.07034001 = 0.1407 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [YABMC] 2 @ 0.07034 = 0.1407 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [YABMC] 8 @ 0.070321 = 0.5626 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [YABMC] 1 @ 0.07032 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [YABMC] 1 @ 0.07022 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [YABMC] 7 @ 0.0702 = 0.4914 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 6500 @ 0.00044185 = 2.872 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [YABMC] 2 @ 0.07034002 = 0.1407 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.5999 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [FPGA.CONTRACT] 10 @ 0.06994 = 0.6994 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 195 @ 0.00325001 = 0.6338 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.1118 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 3 @ 0.60499997 = 1.815 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ZETA-MINING] 1 @ 0.14210003 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ZETA-MINING] 1 @ 0.14210002 BTC [-]
Luceo: EskimoBob: You can do /umode +R, it's the fastest way
mircea_popescu: progressively over-valuing your assets more and more based on some combination of beliefs, guesses, believing people who tell you things on irc and total lunacy.
assbot: [GLBSE] [ZETA-MINING] 1 @ 0.14220003 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ZETA-MINING] 4 @ 0.14220002 = 0.5688 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ZETA-MINING] 5 @ 0.14220002 = 0.711 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [MMM] 3 @ 0.6 = 1.8 BTC [+]
Diablo-D3: Bugpowder: it will now that smickles is going to do their shit
Bugpowder: In fairness, BAC, JPM, WFC weren't marking their MBS to market either.
Bugpowder: But I don't think the Fed is going to come in and exchange Treasuries for for NYAN.B shares any time soon.
assbot: Requesting data from GLBSE (might take a while, also might return fishy results as it does not account for splits etc).
assbot: BMF [1@0.49BTC] (since: 2012-09-25) paid: 0.01112149 BTC. Last price: 0.40000001 BTC. Capital gain: -0.08999999 BTC. Total: -0.0788785 BTC. (-16.1%)
assbot: Requesting data from GLBSE (might take a while, also might return fishy results as it does not account for splits etc).
assbot: BMF [1@1BTC] paid: 0.10922454 BTC. Last price: 0.40000001 BTC. Capital gain: -0.59999999 BTC. Total: -0.49077545 BTC. (-49.1%)
Diablo-D3: DMC, now worth 9000 BTC PER SHARE lawls
assbot: Requesting data from GLBSE (might take a while, also might return fishy results as it does not account for splits etc).
assbot: BTC-MINING [1@1BTC] paid: 0.27012647 BTC. Last price: 0.921 BTC. Capital gain: -0.079 BTC. Total: 0.19112647 BTC. (19.1%)
assbot: Requesting data from GLBSE (might take a while, also might return fishy results as it does not account for splits etc).
assbot: BTC-BOND [1@0.01BTC] paid: 0.00055 BTC. Last price: 0.00989 BTC. Capital gain: -0.00011 BTC. Total: 0.00044 BTC. (4.4%)
assbot: Requesting data from GLBSE (might take a while, also might return fishy results as it does not account for splits etc).
assbot: BMF [1@0.5BTC] (since: 2012-09-01) paid: 0.05279685 BTC. Last price: 0.40000001 BTC. Capital gain: -0.09999999 BTC. Total: -0.04720314 BTC. (-9.4%)
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 192 @ 0.00044185 = 0.0848 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 8700 @ 0.00044185 = 3.8441 BTC [-]
assbot: !pl <ticker> [<amount>@]<bought at> [<YYYY-MM-DD>]
Bugpowder: BUT Fed swapped them for treasuries. There is no Fed in bitcoin.
BTC-Mining: BTC-Mining about 5 months, BTC-Bond about 2 months
Bugpowder: Why the fuck should mining companies care about the share price anyway? You got the BTC, you buy the gear, you mine, you pay the dividends.
Diablo-D3: Bugpowder: bmf was a fund, now its turning into a mining company
Diablo-D3: however, bmf was a closed fund, so NAV may not even matter
Diablo-D3: how long are you going to be doing daily dividend
Diablo-D3: if it was FOREVERERERERERER I'd buy some BMF
Diablo-D3: well, BTCMC will pay me 15 BTC today
Diablo-D3: that reminds me, I need to go poke yochdog
assbot: [GLBSE:BTC-MINING] [Bid: 0.92525] [Ask: 0.97479999] [Spread: 0.04954999] [Last: 0.921] [24hVol: 18.02480001] [7dAvg: 0.9211356]
assbot: [GLBSE:BTCMC] [Bid: 0.45] [Ask: 0.58979999] [Spread: 0.13979999] [Last: 0.45000001] [24hVol: ] [7dAvg: 0.48714]
assbot: [GLBSE:ASICMINER] [Bid: 0.106] [Ask: 0.1118] [Spread: 0.0058] [Last: 0.1118] [24hVol: 49.66689507] [7dAvg: 0.1096124]
Diablo-D3: BTC-Mining: you're late paying again
assbot: Requesting data from GLBSE (might take a while, also might return fishy results as it does not account for splits etc).
assbot: GIGAMINING [1@1.5BTC] (since: 2012-06-1) paid: 0.32565895 BTC. Last price: 0.60499997 BTC. Capital gain: -0.89500003 BTC. Total: -0.56934108 BTC. (-38%)
BTC-Mining: How so is BTC-BOND not looking healthy?
BTC-Mining: Hey, can't only blame the mining sector losing value. You got to trade and cut losses.
assbot: Requesting data from GLBSE (might take a while, also might return fishy results as it does not account for splits etc).
assbot: GIGAMINING [1@1BTC] paid: 0.48117596 BTC. Last price: 0.60499997 BTC. Capital gain: -0.39500003 BTC. Total: 0.08617593 BTC. (8.6%)
assbot: Requesting data from GLBSE (might take a while, also might return fishy results as it does not account for splits etc).
assbot: GIGAMINING [1@1.5BTC] paid: 0.48117596 BTC. Last price: 0.60499997 BTC. Capital gain: -0.89500003 BTC. Total: -0.41382407 BTC. (-27.6%)
assbot: Requesting data from GLBSE (might take a while, also might return fishy results as it does not account for splits etc).
assbot: GIGAMINING [1@1BTC] paid: 0.48117596 BTC. Last price: 0.60499997 BTC. Capital gain: -0.39500003 BTC. Total: 0.08617593 BTC. (8.6%)
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assbot: GIGAMINING [1@1.5BTC] (since: 2012-06-01) paid: 0.32565895 BTC. Last price: 0.60499997 BTC. Capital gain: -0.89500003 BTC. Total: -0.56934108 BTC. (-38%)
assbot: Requesting data from GLBSE (might take a while, also might return fishy results as it does not account for splits etc).
Bugpowder: usagi, what about the dividend payouts from gigamining during that time?
assbot: NYAN.A [1@1BTC] paid: 0.09 BTC. Last price: 0.99 BTC. Capital gain: -0.01 BTC. Total: 0.08 BTC. (8%)
assbot: Requesting data from GLBSE (might take a while, also might return fishy results as it does not account for splits etc).
assbot: CPA [1@0.1BTC] paid: 0.00569688 BTC. Last price: 0.034 BTC. Capital gain: -0.066 BTC. Total: -0.06030312 BTC. (-60.3%)
assbot: Requesting data from GLBSE (might take a while, also might return fishy results as it does not account for splits etc).
assbot: BMF [1@1BTC] paid: 0.10922454 BTC. Last price: 0.40000001 BTC. Capital gain: -0.59999999 BTC. Total: -0.49077545 BTC. (-49.1%)
assbot: Requesting data from GLBSE (might take a while, also might return fishy results as it does not account for splits etc).
assbot: NASTY [1@0.8BTC] (since: 2012-08-05) paid: 0.01422903 BTC. Last price: 0.4539 BTC. Capital gain: -0.3461 BTC. Total: -0.33187097 BTC. (-41.5%)
assbot: Requesting data from GLBSE (might take a while, also might return fishy results as it does not account for splits etc).
assbot: NYAN.C [1@1BTC] paid: 0.14927771 BTC. Last price: 0.25 BTC. Capital gain: -0.75 BTC. Total: -0.60072229 BTC. (-60.1%)
assbot: Requesting data from GLBSE (might take a while, also might return fishy results as it does not account for splits etc).
assbot: NYAN [1@1BTC] paid: 0.08033233 BTC. Last price: 0.6 BTC. Capital gain: -0.4 BTC. Total: -0.31966767 BTC. (-32%)
assbot: Requesting data from GLBSE (might take a while, also might return fishy results as it does not account for splits etc).
assbot: BMF [1@0.5BTC] (since: 2012-08-05) paid: 0.07135279 BTC. Last price: 0.40000001 BTC. Capital gain: -0.09999999 BTC. Total: -0.0286472 BTC. (-5.7%)
Luceo: 5.7% is also pretty much exactly the movement in BTC isn't it?
Luceo: Valuing shares at NAV regardless of past performance makes me cry
assbot: Requesting data from GLBSE (might take a while, also might return fishy results as it does not account for splits etc).
assbot: ABM [1@0.45BTC] (since: 2012-08-05) paid: 0.015011 BTC. Last price: 0.10000001 BTC. Capital gain: -0.34999999 BTC. Total: -0.33498899 BTC. (-74.4%)
assbot: Requesting data from GLBSE (might take a while, also might return fishy results as it does not account for splits etc).
assbot: NYAN.A [1@1BTC] paid: 0.09 BTC. Last price: 0.99 BTC. Capital gain: -0.01 BTC. Total: 0.08 BTC. (8%)
assbot: Requesting data from GLBSE (might take a while, also might return fishy results as it does not account for splits etc).
assbot: YABMC [1@0.14BTC] (since: 2012-08-05) paid: 0.02337128 BTC. Last price: 0.07034002 BTC. Capital gain: -0.06965998 BTC. Total: -0.0462887 BTC. (-33.1%)
Luceo: I think I'm about 2% down on usagi-related shares, maybe less than that
Luceo: And most of the loss was on YARR (bought at 1.25, returned 1)
Luceo: and about .17 in divs
assbot: Requesting data from GLBSE (might take a while, also might return fishy results as it does not account for splits etc).
assbot: GIGAMINING [1@0.9BTC] (since: 2012-08-05) paid: 0.132775 BTC. Last price: 0.60499997 BTC. Capital gain: -0.29500003 BTC. Total: -0.16222503 BTC. (-18%)
assbot: Requesting data from GLBSE (might take a while, also might return fishy results as it does not account for splits etc).
assbot: GIGAMINING [1@1BTC] paid: 0.48117596 BTC. Last price: 0.60499997 BTC. Capital gain: -0.39500003 BTC. Total: 0.08617593 BTC. (8.6%)
assbot: Requesting data from GLBSE (might take a while, also might return fishy results as it does not account for splits etc).
assbot: DMC [1@1BTC] paid: 0.02635814 BTC. Last price: 0.055 BTC. Capital gain: -0.945 BTC. Total: -0.91864186 BTC. (-91.9%)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9566 @ 0.00036422 = 3.4841 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1100 @ 0.00036605 = 0.4027 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10334 @ 0.0003661 = 3.7833 BTC [+]
assbot: Requesting data from GLBSE (might take a while, also might return fishy results as it does not account for splits etc).
assbot: DMC [1@0.45BTC] (since: 2012-08-05) paid: 0 BTC. Last price: 0.055 BTC. Capital gain: -0.395 BTC. Total: -0.395 BTC. (-87.8%)
Diablo-D3: usagi: I may continue not paying dividends
assbot: Requesting data from GLBSE (might take a while, also might return fishy results as it does not account for splits etc).
assbot: NYAN.A [1@1BTC] (since: 2012-08-05) paid: 0.09 BTC. Last price: 0.99 BTC. Capital gain: -0.01 BTC. Total: 0.08 BTC. (8%)
assbot: Requesting data from GLBSE (might take a while, also might return fishy results as it does not account for splits etc).
assbot: NYAN.B [1@1BTC] (since: 2012-08-05) paid: 0.16081227 BTC. Last price: 0.96999999 BTC. Capital gain: -0.03000001 BTC. Total: 0.13081226 BTC. (13.1%)
assbot: Requesting data from GLBSE (might take a while, also might return fishy results as it does not account for splits etc).
assbot: BMMO [1@0.14BTC] (since: 2012-08-05) paid: 0.01673604 BTC. Last price: 0.04 BTC. Capital gain: -0.1 BTC. Total: -0.08326396 BTC. (-59.5%)
Enky: good evening fellas
assbot: Requesting data from GLBSE (might take a while, also might return fishy results as it does not account for splits etc).
assbot: ABM [1@0.35BTC] (since: 2012-08-05) paid: 0.015011 BTC. Last price: 0.10000001 BTC. Capital gain: -0.24999999 BTC. Total: -0.23498899 BTC. (-67.1%)
assbot: Requesting data from GLBSE (might take a while, also might return fishy results as it does not account for splits etc).
assbot: ABM [1@0.25BTC] (since: 2012-08-05) paid: 0.015011 BTC. Last price: 0.10000001 BTC. Capital gain: -0.14999999 BTC. Total: -0.13498899 BTC. (-54%)
PsychoticBoy: but I thought you said mining companies droped 50% but if you had bought ABM in June you had paid .22 and then with a sale at .45 you would gain 110%
assbot: Requesting data from GLBSE (might take a while, also might return fishy results as it does not account for splits etc).
assbot: ABM [1@0.2BTC] (since: 2012-08-05) paid: 0.015011 BTC. Last price: 0.10000001 BTC. Capital gain: -0.09999999 BTC. Total: -0.08498899 BTC. (-42.5%)
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 7000 @ 0.00044183 = 3.0928 BTC [-]
assbot: Requesting data from GLBSE (might take a while, also might return fishy results as it does not account for splits etc).
assbot: BMF [1@0.5BTC] (since: 2012-08-05) paid: 0.07135279 BTC. Last price: 0.40000001 BTC. Capital gain: -0.09999999 BTC. Total: -0.0286472 BTC. (-5.7%)
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 1 @ 0.02069624 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 1 @ 0.02899999 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 100 @ 0.029 = 2.9 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 4 @ 0.02918169 = 0.1167 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 10 @ 0.0299995 = 0.3 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 50 @ 0.0299995 = 1.5 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 372 @ 0.03 = 11.16 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 2 @ 0.03 = 0.06 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 9 @ 0.03798 = 0.3418 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 469 @ 0.03799 = 17.8173 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 32 @ 0.038 = 1.216 BTC [+]
BTC-Mining: EskimoBob, probably because the mining companies have a large profit and sell fixed mhash/s bond. The bonds lose value and so do the investors, but the company does not.
BTC-Mining: and for the few actual companies, they have GPU. Untransferable to FPGA/ASIC.
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 2 @ 0.01902 = 0.038 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 10 @ 0.019 = 0.19 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 1 @ 0.018 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 20 @ 0.01702 = 0.3404 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 100 @ 0.017 = 1.7 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 2 @ 0.01502 = 0.03 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 1 @ 0.01189875 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 1 @ 0.0113467 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 4 @ 0.01004 = 0.0402 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 20 @ 0.01002001 = 0.2004 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 1 @ 0.01002 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 5 @ 0.01 = 0.05 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 40 @ 0.01 = 0.4 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 1 @ 0.00945546 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 2 @ 0.00795903 = 0.0159 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 100 @ 0.007 = 0.7 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 100 @ 0.006102 = 0.6102 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 48 @ 0.00514864 = 0.2471 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 6 @ 0.00456759 = 0.0274 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 96 @ 0.00232906 = 0.2236 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 100 @ 0.002 = 0.2 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 140 @ 0.00194476 = 0.2723 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 1 @ 0.5601 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 1 @ 0.56 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 1 @ 0.5564 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 8 @ 0.5563 = 4.4504 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 4 @ 0.5562 = 2.2248 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 2 @ 0.556001 = 1.112 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 52 @ 0.00194476 = 0.1011 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 3 @ 0.556 = 1.668 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 198 @ 0.01 = 1.98 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36900 @ 0.00036578 = 13.4973 BTC [-]
BTC-Mining: Hopefully if he switches to being a mining company, he'll stop losing so much.
assbot: [GLBSE] [HYDRO.BONDS] 4 @ 1.4 = 5.6 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BDK.BND] 34 @ 0.02502 = 0.8507 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BDK.BND] 2 @ 0.02501 = 0.05 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BDK.BND] 54 @ 0.025 = 1.35 BTC [-]
PsychoticBoy: <usagi> LIke we have 210 shares of ABM. That's 21% of the company o_o << your my bigest share holdert
assbot: [GLBSE] [BITBOND] 1 @ 0.17500001 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BITBOND] 2 @ 0.175 = 0.35 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BITBOND] 1 @ 0.175 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45330 @ 0.0003661 = 16.5953 BTC [+]
PsychoticBoy: lets see what happens after block cut and asics, then I will decide what to do with ABM
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 2 @ 0.106 = 0.212 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.10551 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 10 @ 0.1055 = 1.055 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [NASTY] 2 @ 0.45389987 = 0.9078 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [NASTY] 1 @ 0.45389999 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 10 @ 0.1055 = 1.055 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [NASTY] 3 @ 0.4539 = 1.3617 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 5 @ 0.1055 = 0.5275 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [NASTY] 1 @ 0.4539 BTC [+]
BTC-Mining: Great. I rolled back my driver on my wifi card and my connection stopped being slow.
Bugpowder: Oh lord, some kids are gonna blow up their bitcoin account...
http://bit4x.com Available leverages: 1:1, 2, 5, 10, 20, 25, 33, 50, 66, 75, 100, 125, 150, 200, 300, 400, 500, 1000
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11636 @ 0.0003661 = 4.2599 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 10092 @ 0.0034 = 34.3128 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GOLD] 50 @ 0.00999999 = 0.5 BTC [+]
Bugpowder: looks cool though! I don't have the desire to get my dick chopped off trading forex again though.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 90829 @ 0.0034 = 308.8186 BTC [+]
Bugpowder: people gettin' on the S.DICE train
knotwork_: If all mining assets lost money does that mean prfoably miners in general have all been losing money or just that mining assets are scams set up to scam investors but make profit for the actual miner offering the asset?
copumpkin: they just aren't a particularly good investment
Bugpowder: no it means the share price is falling to the expected future payout amount
copumpkin: share prices mean nothing on glbse
agath: I think that most of the mining companies are good in configuring computers, but not at all to make a strategy / business plan.
copumpkin: that doesn't mean people don't take them seriously though
copumpkin: so in a perverse sense, they mean more because of it
rdponticelli: If nobody is mining, and we aren't financing mining, there's no bitcoin
Bugpowder: with reward halving coming and difficulty ramping, people are realizing that there won't be that much in dividends coming out in a few months
agath: if done the right way, mining is very profitable. But all or almost all the mining companies are losing...
knotwork_: its hard to believe they are serious if they don't even merged mine as they thus deliberately leave money on the table
agath: example: pyramining is going strong
agath: and maybe gigamining, which I don't know very very well..
Bugpowder: just do the math on the hash rate and their equipment and some expected future growth curves
knotwork_: or do they do like some pools and simply keep their merded mined coins to their own private purses?
Bugpowder: most mining companies are still overvalued
assbot: Requesting data from GLBSE (might take a while, also might return fishy results as it does not account for splits etc).
assbot: BTC-MINING [1@1BTC] paid: 0.27012647 BTC. Last price: 0.921 BTC. Capital gain: -0.079 BTC. Total: 0.19112647 BTC. (19.1%)
Bugpowder: Whoever gets their asics first though... that will be the big winner
agath: having a very short period of quite high income doesn't mean it's a win
agath: the win is in long term
agath: that it's normal, not a win
Bugpowder: you could be paying 25% divvy a week
agath: in a good business plan even when you get asics last, you win....
rdponticelli: Anyway, you bought the stock with a BTC which was worth half what is worth now
Bugpowder: agath, sometimes the only way to win is not to play
Bugpowder: if you are getting in line for BFL now, I think you are totally fucked
agath: I'm playing and so far winning, without needing strategies like "first asic out"
rdponticelli: If you would have not inested, it won't have apreciated
agath: who cares for BFL?
Bugpowder: wait, isn't pyramining a ponzi scheme though?
agath: it isn't... read better
novusordo: so considering that the SEC used #bitcoin-otc to get emails for BTCST, it's very likely that they're in this channel right now
Bugpowder: SEC should focus on major crimes... BOA, WFC, JPM.
agath: is it mining a crime?
rg: what's more likely is someone who's mad gave them all the info
agath: Angelo Mozilo seems the name of an italian made browser
Bugpowder: On Friday October 15, 2010, Mozilo reached a settlement with Securities and Exchange Commission, over securities fraud and insider trading charges. Mozilo agreed to pay $67.5 million in fines
Bugpowder: This fine represents a small fraction of Mozilo's estimated net worth of $600 million. Countrywide will pay $20 million of the $67.5 million penalty because of an indemnification agreement that was part of Mozillo's employment contract.
Bugpowder: what is the point of the SEC if you aren't going to lock the real fuckers up
PsychoticBoy: ok, isnt it an option to get rid of move.to and add another asset to its portfolio?
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 50 @ 0.03 = 1.5 BTC [+]
PsychoticBoy: ok so then I dont get the problem you closing due to move.to
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29700 @ 0.00036653 = 10.8859 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 5 @ 0.0035 = 0.0175 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 5 @ 0.0035 = 0.0175 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BITBOND] 1 @ 0.24989966 BTC [+]
Obsi: usagi: FUTUREFUND is worth 0
Obsi: it was closed out and delisted, can't be traded from what I know
assbot: [GLBSE] [BDK.BND] 22 @ 0.02502 = 0.5504 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 2 @ 0.0109 = 0.0218 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX:B.MPCD.B] 1day: 0.00099998 / 0.00100051 / 0.00100157 (60000 shares, 60.03 BTC), 30day: 0.00099998 / 0.00101132 / 0.00102622 (504009 shares, 509.72 BTC)
assbot: [GLBSE] [BDK.BND] 1 @ 0.02502 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BDK.BND] 21 @ 0.025 = 0.525 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 2 @ 0.01100001 = 0.022 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 4 @ 0.011 = 0.044 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17700 @ 0.00036629 = 6.4833 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 66 @ 0.011 = 0.726 BTC [-]
dub: because people can show problems with your accounting?
dub: because you play weird identity games?
BTC-Mining: Erhm, you're not a deposit taker as far as I know?
BTC-Mining: So how is that relevent? Other than deposit takes, plenty are not defaulting.
knotwork_: Are puts and calls both actually the exact same thing with the pair reversed? So e.g. a USD/BTC put is equally referrable to as a BTC/USD call?
BTC-Mining: [17:29] <usagi> lolz dub, people who don't understand accrual or cost basis accounting should be banned from the forums
BTC-Mining: Isn't it you who claims all stock markets are a zero/negative sum game?
knotwork: I am windering because if so, coding need not code two separate strategies one to offer puts one to offer calls, instead just reversing the pair the exact same code could be used
BTC-Mining: knotwork, I am unsure what you mean but...
BTC-Mining: with calls, the lower under the stock price it goes, the better, opposite for puts.
knotwork: well if you obligate me to buy X at a cetrain price as denominated in Y, isnt that the same as obligating me to sell Y to you at a certain price denominated in X ?
BTC-Mining: Hmm... formula for call is (Current price - Struck price)/current price
knotwork: BTC-Mining well for eample if you buy from me a put entitling you to put 10 IBM for 1 AAPL on certain date, isnt that the same as buying a call entitling you to buy 1 AAPL for 10 IBM at that same date?
knotwork: or if you but a put entitling you to sell me 12 dollars for 1 bitcoin on a certain date, isnt that identical to buying a call entitling you to buy 1 bitcoin from me for 12 dollars on that date?
knotwork: no this is generically for code to handle puts and calls of any X priced in terms of any Y
knotwork: it seems to me at a glance that a put to sell X for a price in Y is identical to a call to buy Y at a price in X
knotwork: I suspect favourite/local currency preference is only reason it does not work that way most places
knotwork: since most places have one asset they think of as "money" and all other assets are "commodities" or "foreign currencies" to buy and sell with prices expressed in the "local favourite"
knotwork: but if you are agnostic about assets, as Open Transactions is, any asset can be used to buy any other asset
knotwork: no forcing people to do two trades, one from asset A into local currency asset then another to buy asset B with that local currency
BTC-Mining: Example, if I buy a call option struck at 1 USD/BTC and the price is currently 12 USD/BTC when redeemed, the redeem value is (12 - 1)/12 = 0.91666667 BTC
knotwork: instead just directly offer a price for B expressed in A
BTC-Mining: Which is confusing me because that's now how I understood options but anyway.
knotwork: I suspect a big reason for intruding local currency between all assets is simply to double the fees
knotwork: since the house takes a fee on each trade, they prefer you sell A for local currency paying a fee then buy B paying a fee instead of just trading A for B
knotwork: also of course they like the fee to be in local currency maybe not some tiny bit of A and/or B neither of which they may be particularly fond of
assbot: [GLBSE] [RSM] 1 @ 0.2726 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [RSM] 1 @ 0.2725 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [RSM] 5 @ 0.272 = 1.36 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [RSM] 2 @ 0.27 = 0.54 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [RSM] 2 @ 0.267 = 0.534 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [RSM] 10 @ 0.263 = 2.63 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [RSM] 5 @ 0.262 = 1.31 BTC [-]
knotwork: I am actually surprised that just the lack of percentage fees in Open Transactions isnt causing customers to be pressing hard for development of the clients to make it easier for them to take advantage of the lack of percentage fees on all trades
Bugpowder: great I cannot sell anything on MPEX
Bugpowder: can anyone execute a sell order on MPEX right now?
Bugpowder: Can anyone else sell a share on MPEX? I'm getting an 'insufficient funds' message.
rg: do you uh... have funds in it
Bugpowder: I have shares. Can't sell a single share of any asset
Bugpowder: though I only have .0007 BTC in account
Bugpowder: but that should still be enough to pay for it
mod6: you still might have to cover a trade fee
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 2500 @ 0.00044183 = 1.1046 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 5200 @ 0.00044183 = 2.2975 BTC [-]
BTC-Mining: so it can cover a 0.35 sale. Guess that's enough for almost anything
assbot: [GLBSE] [BMF] 1 @ 0.48999996 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 13 @ 0.1099999 = 1.43 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 400 @ 0.00044183 = 0.1767 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 4211 @ 0.00044183 = 1.8605 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 3200 @ 0.00044183 = 1.4139 BTC [-]
dub: jesus H crimminey christ in a crimson cabriolet, its international blasphemy day
assbot: [GLBSE] [BDK.BND] 9 @ 0.02502 = 0.2252 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BDK.BND] 96 @ 0.025 = 2.4 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BDK.BND] 95 @ 0.01253 = 1.1904 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 200 @ 0.003799 = 0.7598 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GMVT-BOT] 1 @ 0.13999898 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GMVT-BOT] 19 @ 0.13999899 = 2.66 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [NASTY] 6 @ 0.4539 = 2.7234 BTC [+]
Bugpowder: Since the SEC has no balls, glad Schneiderman does
assbot: [GLBSE] [BFLS.RIG] 1 @ 0.88799999 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BFLS.RIG] 2 @ 0.888 = 1.776 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BFLS.RIG] 3 @ 0.8989 = 2.6967 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28264 @ 0.00036629 = 10.3528 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22000 @ 0.00036578 = 8.0472 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18371 @ 0.00036546 = 6.7139 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BIB.BVPS] 10 @ 0.00389 = 0.0389 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BMF] 1 @ 0.40100001 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27000 @ 0.00036653 = 9.8963 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30626 @ 0.00036664 = 11.2287 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6374 @ 0.0003671 = 2.3399 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [SILVER] 1 @ 0.00999998 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 5 @ 0.10810001 = 0.5405 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 9 @ 0.1081 = 0.9729 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 2 @ 0.10706 = 0.2141 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 3 @ 0.1061 = 0.3183 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 7 @ 0.1061 = 0.7427 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 10 @ 0.106 = 1.06 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 9497 @ 0.00044184 = 4.1962 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 1003 @ 0.00044184 = 0.4432 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 3 @ 0.105001 = 0.315 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [SYNERGY] 2 @ 0.08 = 0.16 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GOLD] 1 @ 0.0095 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GOLD] 17 @ 0.00920001 = 0.1564 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [MU] 1 @ 0.1899 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [FDBF] 20 @ 0.149253 = 2.9851 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 5 @ 0.11139999 = 0.557 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 6 @ 0.1114 = 0.6684 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 2 @ 0.1115 = 0.223 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8429 @ 0.00036546 = 3.0805 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44271 @ 0.0003652 = 16.1678 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 6 @ 0.1114 = 0.6684 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TEEK.USD] 1 @ 0.0777 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 689 @ 0.00044183 = 0.3044 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [FPGAMINING] 1 @ 0.43334 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [FPGAMINING] 2 @ 0.43284 = 0.8657 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [FPGAMINING] 9 @ 0.4101 = 3.6909 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [FPGAMINING] 4 @ 0.41 = 1.64 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [PUREMINING] 1 @ 0.10169999 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [PUREMINING] 1 @ 0.1017 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: knotwork no they're not identical, they're opposite really.
knotwork: you buying from me IS me selling to you surely?
mircea_popescu: yes. but if i buy a put that means i make money if price goes under strike
mircea_popescu: if you buy a sell that means you make money if price goes over strike
knotwork: I meant, given you are buying a call or put, what is different between you buying a put USD for price in BTC or you buying a call BTC for corresponding price in USD?
knotwork: possibly the asset in which you pay the fee
assbot: [GLBSE] [BFLS.RIG] 3 @ 0.975 = 2.925 BTC [+]
knotwork: but you could pay the fee in bubblegum or francs or anything, how much you pay for the option does not change the option itself
knotwork: it seems like my code for how to handle/resolve a call of X priced in Y should be identical to my code for how to handle a put of Y priced in X
knotwork: just switch the X and Y to switch between call and put
knotwork: ok good. as what I am trying to figure out is generic code for asset A and asset B calls and puts for any A and B
knotwork: with any price you pay to buy the option being payable in any asset at all probably
knotwork: like hey I will pay one AAPL for an option to sell 100 IBM for 50 CISCO
knotwork: mostly trying to figure out how much of what such a contract would have to take into its internal variables as collateral to be sure it can pay out come payout time
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 2 @ 0.01230375 = 0.0246 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56457 @ 0.00036596 = 20.661 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [NYAN.B] 3 @ 0.21140027 = 0.6342 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [NYAN.B] 1 @ 0.2114 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [NYAN.B] 1 @ 0.2112 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [NYAN.B] 1 @ 0.211 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [NYAN.B] 1 @ 0.2108 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [NYAN.B] 1 @ 0.2106 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [NYAN.B] 1 @ 0.2104 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [NYAN.B] 2 @ 0.2102 = 0.4204 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [NYAN.B] 1 @ 0.21 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [NYAN.B] 1 @ 0.21140028 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [NYAN.B] 9 @ 0.21 = 1.89 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [DMC] 1 @ 0.05 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [NYAN.C] 2 @ 0.12070001 = 0.2414 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [NYAN.C] 1 @ 0.1207 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [NYAN.C] 6 @ 0.1205 = 0.723 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [NYAN.C] 8 @ 0.1002 = 0.8016 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [NYAN.C] 40 @ 0.1 = 4 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [MMM] 4 @ 0.6 = 2.4 BTC [+]
BTC-Mining: Looking for stocks to buy. Over 200 BTC available.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12936 @ 0.00036644 = 4.7403 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8747 @ 0.0003652 = 3.1944 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15100 @ 0.00036495 = 5.5107 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18617 @ 0.00036413 = 6.779 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ZETA-MINING] 1 @ 0.14210003 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [MMM] 1 @ 0.6 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.11038498 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 6 @ 0.11038498 = 0.6623 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 2 @ 0.11038499 = 0.2208 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ZETA-MINING] 2 @ 0.14210002 = 0.2842 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 14705 @ 0.0034 = 49.997 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 10 @ 0.0038 = 0.038 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 10 @ 0.00388 = 0.0388 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BIB.BVPS] 1 @ 0.00389 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 60 @ 0.00388 = 0.2328 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [YABMC] 4 @ 0.07849999 = 0.314 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [YABMC] 15 @ 0.0785 = 1.1775 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: Has anybody else noticed the contracts os assets on MPEx are much better than the ones on GLBSE? I don't want to get into a debate about exchanges, but having a decent and detailed contract is a good sign for an asset.
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 2 @ 0.55720001 = 1.1144 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 1 @ 0.5572 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 1 @ 0.5572 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 3 @ 0.557 = 1.671 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 27 @ 0.00388 = 0.1048 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [YABMC] 1 @ 0.07947 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [YABMC] 3 @ 0.0795 = 0.2385 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [YABMC] 1 @ 0.0797 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [YABMC] 3 @ 0.0797 = 0.2391 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [YABMC] 11 @ 0.079705 = 0.8768 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [YABMC] 25 @ 0.07970999 = 1.9927 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [YABMC] 5 @ 0.07971 = 0.3986 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [YABMC] 1 @ 0.07971 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5400 @ 0.0003643 = 1.9672 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 1 @ 0.01187783 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 1 @ 0.01145191 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 13 @ 0.011 = 0.143 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 42 @ 0.00388 = 0.163 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 57 @ 0.011 = 0.627 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 11 @ 0.0100101 = 0.1101 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 80 @ 0.01001 = 0.8008 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 100 @ 0.01 = 1 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 1114 @ 0.01 = 11.14 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 1 @ 0.009002 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 637 @ 0.009 = 5.733 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 7 @ 0.10710002 = 0.7497 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 4 @ 0.10710001 = 0.4284 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 2 @ 0.107 = 0.214 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 5 @ 0.10500101 = 0.525 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 4 @ 0.10500101 = 0.42 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 3 @ 0.10500101 = 0.315 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 119 @ 0.00388 = 0.4617 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 480 @ 0.003888 = 1.8662 BTC [+]
BTC-Mining: And now OBSI pays 0% dividends it seems
assbot: [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 78 @ 0.003888 = 0.3033 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 113 @ 0.009 = 1.017 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 87 @ 0.0081 = 0.7047 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: what i'm curious about is, how the hell is usagi planning to unwind the MIDDLE of what was supposedly a cdo
BTC-Mining: I'm pretty sure it was expected by now. Didn't you short some OBSI?
mircea_popescu: BTC-Mining cvovered in the meanwhile. but yes, shorted 8-9 covered at 02 lol
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5583 @ 0.00036413 = 2.0329 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47239 @ 0.00036396 = 17.1931 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 1 @ 0.0159213 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: and apparently even that is a bridge too far for most ppl
BTC-Mining: Aye, but in BTC-BOND's case, I'd better manage the portfolio well.
BTC-Mining: I have much bigger incentives than regular funds.
BTC-Mining: Most of it is my personal portfolio. Any loss eats into it first.
BTC-Mining: Fund manager still earn more on a portfolio which does better.
BTC-Mining: But there's no actuall loss for them if it's mismanaged.
BTC-Mining: Except for a lower share of the dividends.
BTC-Mining: It's almost a miracle I maaged to grow while the market was shrinking, without shorting.
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 1000 @ 0.00044183 = 0.4418 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BTC-BOND] 1 @ 0.00989 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BFLS] 5 @ 0.5 = 2.5 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BFLS] 2 @ 0.5 = 1 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BFLS] 2 @ 0.54995 = 1.0999 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BFLS] 8 @ 0.72 = 5.76 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BFLS] 1 @ 0.74 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BFLS] 2 @ 0.79 = 1.58 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BFLS] 2 @ 0.799 = 1.598 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 1 @ 0.003888 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BFLS] 2 @ 0.799 = 1.598 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BFLS] 1 @ 0.88 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 1900 @ 0.00044182 = 0.8395 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 4100 @ 0.00044182 = 1.8115 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 2 @ 0.59999999 = 1.2 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 941 @ 0.003888 = 3.6586 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BITBOND] 1 @ 0.24959996 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 1542 @ 0.00388888 = 5.9967 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [CPA] 2 @ 0.034 = 0.068 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [CPA] 20 @ 0.0331 = 0.662 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [CPA] 20 @ 0.0331 = 0.662 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [SILVER] 4 @ 0.00999999 = 0.04 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BVPS] 500 @ 0.00351 = 1.755 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2000 @ 0.00036414 = 0.7283 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8961 @ 0.00036396 = 3.2614 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23600 @ 0.00036301 = 8.567 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16039 @ 0.00036263 = 5.8162 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [CPA] 20 @ 0.0331 = 0.662 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [PUREMINING] 2 @ 0.1017 = 0.2034 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.11049991 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 1000 @ 0.00044182 = 0.4418 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 6 @ 0.11029989 = 0.6618 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 5 @ 0.11029989 = 0.5515 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 6 @ 0.008 = 0.048 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 1 @ 0.008 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 2 @ 0.00766014 = 0.0153 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 1 @ 0.00738504 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 2 @ 0.00695626 = 0.0139 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 1 @ 0.00545 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 2 @ 0.00493982 = 0.0099 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 4 @ 0.00407394 = 0.0163 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 2 @ 0.00384931 = 0.0077 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 4 @ 0.00330422 = 0.0132 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 2 @ 0.002725 = 0.0055 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 8 @ 0.0023859 = 0.0191 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 8 @ 0.00221018 = 0.0177 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 94 @ 0.003 = 0.282 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 100 @ 0.004 = 0.4 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 100 @ 0.005 = 0.5 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 100 @ 0.006 = 0.6 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 10300 @ 0.00044182 = 4.5507 BTC [+]
Diablo-D3: nefario really is going to get a scammer tag
Diablo-D3: maged is giving him one more chance to pull his head out of his ass
Diablo-D3: nefario refuses to send goat his btc that have nothing to do with tygrr assets
Diablo-D3: not only would nefario get a scammer tag, all glbse links get scammer tagged too
Diablo-D3: I dont know what the hell happened
mircea_popescu: people keep asking me what i have against glbse. WELL THIS. why not just fucking make sense.
Diablo-D3: I wonder if nefario stole all the money
guruvan: it's not the first time nefario has pulled this shit with goat
Diablo-D3: EskimoBob: it would take him 5 seconds with a perl script to find out
Diablo-D3: unless he isnt logging all transactions, which makes him a scammer
assbot: [GLBSE:BDK.BND] [Bid: 0.02500001] [Ask: 0.0495] [Spread: 0.02449999] [Last: 0.04] [24hVol: 20.44668999] [7dAvg: 0.04883857]
guruvan: last time he tried to get pirate to lock goat's account there
Diablo-D3: like thats the thing, remember how he didnt do an audit on me?
Diablo-D3: I wonder if glbse _doesnt_ keep a list of tx forever
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: well, Ive written shit like this, its trivial, but sometimes fucktards do fucktarded things
Diablo-D3: you dont even need to store the archived tx in the db, just dump them to a text list for perm storage
Diablo-D3: EskimoBob: no, I said I dont have access to it
Diablo-D3: EskimoBob: the csv link only gives you the previous x tx
Diablo-D3: EskimoBob: I didnt say the db didnt retain them
Diablo-D3: when I was active trading, it was about a month and a halfs worth
mircea_popescu: wait a second. wasn't someone saying they lent nefario 400 quid after the Great Conference Nobody Went To ?
guruvan: (side benefit to using MPEx....my history is all saved locally)
Diablo-D3: I mean, its easy to code, SORT BY date LIMIT 100 or whatever
guruvan: I know that nefario was looking for that loan
pigeons: EskimoBob is a turd sandwich
Diablo-D3: its too early in the morning to code
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: vim would have caught it ;)
guruvan: I guess you've just gotten to be nothing but bitter and foul now EskimoBob - sorry to see that
Diablo-D3: either way, if he doesnt retain all tx
Diablo-D3: seriously, just fuck him with a chainsaw gently
Diablo-D3: nothing is done on bitcoin if you move stuff from an asset subaccount to your main account
Diablo-D3: plus both accounts and subaccounts have their own bitcoin addresses
Diablo-D3: and you can gen a new one on demand
mircea_popescu: so basicalyl it's either that he stole customer funds and got drunk on themn, a la hayseed MF global
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: or hes just an asshat
mircea_popescu: yes, admitting he can't rather than just... is an asshat
Diablo-D3: Im sorry I ever IPO'ed DMC, really
mircea_popescu: Diablo-D3 not personal but : it's a skill and a profession this.
mircea_popescu: and if you do it naively you just get fucked and it ruins reputations, lives, etcv
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 6 @ 0.59000001 = 3.54 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 1 @ 0.59 BTC [-]
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: yeah well, nefario fucked us all then
mircea_popescu: just look at kludge. his pretense to be what he ain't fucked up his "non legal" marriage.
Diablo-D3: because this shit doesnt just stop here
Diablo-D3: it fucks everyone whos ever used bitcoin
mircea_popescu: Diablo-D3 the sensible have been taking their shit off glbse for months. the sane since august.
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: well, I bought half the DMC shares back
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: depends on the price
Diablo-D3: asicmining paying out will probably help a lot
Diablo-D3: I mean, nefario has done everything possible to fuck DMC
Diablo-D3: like, he didnt properly vet 1mhs bond selllers
Diablo-D3: so they flooded the market and fucked everyone's portfolios
Diablo-D3: EskimoBob: I only hold asicminer, btcmc, and btc-mining
assbot: [GLBSE] [YABMC] 2 @ 0.07899998 = 0.158 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: Diablo-D3 this vetting problem becomes very serious now, as he refuses to vet SOME people.
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: well the mhash bond problem is this
Diablo-D3: when ASICs were announced, the mhash bond people flooded the market with bonds that didnt have hardware to back them
Diablo-D3: and semi-pyramid scheme paid out on them until they got their asic hardware
Diablo-D3: which then they'd end up with a huge sum of money, hardware, and a bunch of worthless mhash bonds they could buy back at a fraction
mircea_popescu: anyone with any sense would have seen this, and not allowed all the shit.
Diablo-D3: nefario did nothing to these people
Diablo-D3: yet he locked DMC's account for being victimized by it
guruvan: um....that's a little extreme Diablo-D3 - victimized? you were adequately warned here in this channel not to buy up that stuff.
Diablo-D3: guruvan: I was "warned" by people who I dont trust
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: and I dont trust you.
Diablo-D3: and EskimoBob is a troll, so trust doenst even enter into this
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: currently? no one.
mircea_popescu: not personal, but : if you don't trust anyone in the mkt you can't list.
Diablo-D3: I trusted nefario, and look where that went.
guruvan: but not as bad as trusting eveyone :D
mircea_popescu: guruvan fo sho. only women should trust everyone, and only if they plan on yearly pregnancies
assbot: [GLBSE] [YABMC] 4 @ 0.07899999 = 0.316 BTC [+]
Diablo-D3: anyhow, I may just buy back as much dmc as possible and see where we're at after that
guruvan: It's looking like several are deserved
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 1188 @ 0.00044181 = 0.5249 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11211 @ 0.00036179 = 4.056 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15668 @ 0.00036158 = 5.6652 BTC [-]
guruvan: but I think there's only room for the one -0 tagging all GLBSE threads would be a good start
guruvan: agreed mircea_popescu - that would be the absolute best thing for DMC
Diablo-D3: EskimoBob: a company can buy back its own shares off the open market.
assbot: [MPEX] [B.MPCD.B] 33500 @ 0.00095464 = 31.9804 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [B.MPCD.B] 94000 @ 0.0009495 = 89.253 BTC [-]
guruvan: Diablo-D3: and if the company has cash, and nothing to spend it on, and shares are cheap, it should buy them back
Diablo-D3: guruvan: yes, and we have cash, nothing to sepdn it on, and the shares are cheap.
assbot: [GLBSE] [RUGATU] 3 @ 0.1 = 0.3 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 8 @ 0.58000001 = 4.64 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 1 @ 0.58 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [MERGEDMINING] 2 @ 0.06199999 = 0.124 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [MERGEDMINING] 3 @ 0.062 = 0.186 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: jesus kakobrekla they're ripping you a new one on the forums huh
Diablo-D3: EskimoBob: well, asicminer should be paying out nov or dec
Diablo-D3: so that'd be a nice chunk of change
Diablo-D3: well then what do you think the best asset on the market is?
assbot: [GLBSE] [PIMP] 5 @ 0.08999999 = 0.45 BTC [+]
Diablo-D3: yeah, but if I get any btc it goes directly into buying dmc
assbot: [MPEX] [B.MPCD.A] 33500 @ 0.00100076 = 33.5255 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [YABMC] 5 @ 0.07899999 = 0.395 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [YABMC] 1 @ 0.07899999 BTC [+]
Diablo-D3: even if btc goes up in value it doesnt make dmc shares go down in value
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: yeah, its just btcmc, btc-mining, and asicminer
mircea_popescu: well if btcv goes to 100 bux they will not stay the same btc
mircea_popescu: "afaik he considers his wife as an asset" ahahaha the ppl on the forum
mircea_popescu: ya, why isn't he selling HIS WIFE he;s not even married to in order to settle some internet monopoly money debt
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: hes selling his wife?
mircea_popescu: im sure she can cook, if you can't cook you can't be a wife
Diablo-D3: seriously though, I guess I could put half of the dmc assets up for sale
assbot: [GLBSE] [HYDRO.BONDS] 1 @ 1.399999 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [HYDRO.BONDS] 3 @ 1.4 = 4.2 BTC [+]
Diablo-D3: but btc going up in value doesnt cause dmc shares to go down in price
kakobrekla: mircea_popescu, yes, two dark worlds colliding
guruvan: Diablo-D3: long term yes, but short term, we see some movement out of securities with a rise in the exchange rate (for people wanting to trade BTC for USD for the anticipated drop)
guruvan: looks really awesome to me kakobrekla
assbot: [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 1 @ 0.0035 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 300 @ 0.0034 = 1.02 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 500 @ 0.0034 = 1.7 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 1000 @ 0.0034 = 3.4 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: someone please explain that ito calculus wielding idiot that you don't unwind a cdo bottom up
Bugpowder: Just take everything and stick it in A
Bugpowder: why the fuck does C get assets from A and B?
Bugpowder: no "we can use the overflow from NYAN.A to help repair the shareholders of NYAN.C."
mircea_popescu: but in no event can C be paid anything if B is owed anything, and in no event can B be paid anything if A is owed anything
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10000 @ 0.00036447 = 3.6447 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 2 @ 0.60089899 = 1.2018 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 200 @ 0.0034 = 0.68 BTC [-]
DeaDTerra: Time to balance the backing before the dividend
assbot: [GLBSE] [BTC-MINING] 1 @ 0.9312 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BTC-MINING] 1 @ 0.9311 BTC [-]
Diablo-D3: [10:17:26] <EskimoBob> oh look, .C becomes the proud owner of 2001 obsi.hrpt's.
Diablo-D3: thats what the world did to greece
Diablo-D3: steal all the real assets and move all the toxic ones into it
Diablo-D3: the whole goldman sachs fake mortgage paper scam
Bugpowder: that is not how I perceive greek financies
mircea_popescu: he does have a point. the us banks have been selling everyone, from us municipalities to foreign nations
Diablo-D3: greece is the one that ended up holding the bag on that
mircea_popescu: i wou;dnt go as far as that, but for sure there's a ton of misbehaviour
Diablo-D3: but hey, if our great leaders do that, why is it wrong for usagi to do it
Diablo-D3: "steal ALL the things \o/" -- goldman sachs motto
Diablo-D3: usagi: you're collapsing nyan.c for the lulz
Diablo-D3: the trolls say you are so it must be true
assbot: Requesting data from GLBSE (might take a while, also might return fishy results as it does not account for splits etc).
assbot: BMF [1@0.49BTC] (since: 2012-10-01) paid: 0.00199044 BTC. Last price: 0.48 BTC. Capital gain: -0.01 BTC. Total: -0.00800956 BTC. (-1.6%)
assbot: [GLBSE] [BFLS.RIG] 5 @ 0.81298522 = 4.0649 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BFLS.RIG] 7 @ 0.8 = 5.6 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.1111 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: Chaang-Noi are you like this when you're drunk or when you're sober ?
Chaang-Noi: i tried to do a good think with glbse and the btc assets stuff
Chaang-Noi: almost everyone including nefario hated me for it when i was his biggest support
Chaang-Noi: maged told me i was going to banned unless i did something he demanded in 48 hours...
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21990 @ 0.00036397 = 8.0037 BTC [-]
Chaang-Noi: and then maged covered for him and called a misunderstanind
Diablo-D3: nefario is going to end up with a scammer tag
Diablo-D3: Chaang-Noi: because he refuses to return the coins he stole from you
Diablo-D3: which also means all glbse links get automatically scammer tagged too
Diablo-D3: maged is pissed over the whole thing
Diablo-D3: Chaang-Noi: too bad you arent a forum mod like me
Diablo-D3: you're missing out on the shitstorm in the staff forum
Diablo-D3: its the only reason why Im a mod and not an admin
assbot: [GLBSE:DMC] [Bid: 0.02] [Ask: 0.05499999] [Spread: 0.03499999] [Last: 0.05] [24hVol: 0.05] [7dAvg: 0.07186227]
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: nope, technically I shouldnt even talk about it
Diablo-D3: but goats goat, and hes a cool guy
assbot: [GLBSE] [KRAKEN] 1 @ 0.00775 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE:OBSI.HRPT] [Bid: 0.0032] [Ask: 0.00389453] [Spread: 0.00069453] [Last: 0.003] [24hVol: 87.13085903] [7dAvg: 0.03527857]
assbot: [GLBSE:BDK.BND] [Bid: 0.03000001] [Ask: 0.0495] [Spread: 0.01949999] [Last: 0.04] [24hVol: 20.44668999] [7dAvg: 0.04883857]
Bugpowder: I'm like slightly annoyed that I keep loosing 2% here 3% there, but at least I have gotten out of almost all the bullshit
Bugpowder: BDK.BND appears to have assets that support a NAV of 0.059, according to his spreadsheet.
mircea_popescu: Bugpowder lol 2-3% is a lot better than what people are doing
mircea_popescu: most of the hardcore glbse fans are literally -50% every quarter
Bugpowder: it's like buy OBSI, wait 2 days, panic sell for 8% loss
OneEyed: Bugpowder: I know. I bought some at 0.03 before going to work, and sold them at 0.04 right after, easy +30%…
BTC-Mining: I offer a very good protection margin against loss.
OneEyed: Bugpowder: I have asks at .03, you can sell me :)
Bugpowder: couldn't exit the whole position cause volume is too low
OneEyed: Eheh :) The 104 ones? Thanks :)
OneEyed: (I got 100 at 0.03, and someone sold me 4 at 0.02!)
OneEyed: If Kluge can reimburse (and it looks like it will), you'll get much more than that by holding them if you can't get a good price anyway!
OneEyed: I think he will pay much more
OneEyed: Nah, I just went out of GLBSE, I went back in to get some very cheap ones, I won't buy at more than .03, I'm sure someone will sell :)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26011 @ 0.00036397 = 9.4672 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12689 @ 0.00036158 = 4.5881 BTC [-]
BTC-Mining: EskimoBob, although most people who present facts/ask questions are often dismissed as troll on the forum. In your case, it's kind of understandable. Incompetence is not equal to scamming and you keep harassing people as scammers when you believe they are incompetent.
OneEyed: mircea_popescu: over what I bought; 100 * 0.03 * 1.005 + 2 * 0.02 = 3.055
BTC-Mining: But true enough, some OP dismiss anything other than "Let me give you all my money" as trolling.
OneEyed: Sold them for 104 * 0.04 = 4.16
OneEyed: Well, yeah, 10€, not much, but it took no time and no energy, I just like that :)
mircea_popescu: unless there's a way to safely take 10k usd + bets we are just dicking around
OneEyed: I just fill time between compilations and test runs
OneEyed: mircea_popescu: come on, we're talking about GLBSE, there is no way to make big bucks with such low liquidity, you know it :)
BTC-Mining: Usagi, DMC, etc. Scamming is technically the willingful conning of money for keeping it for yourself. In their case you believe they are incompetent which is not willingful or taking money for themselve, yet still go around tagging them as scammers.
mircea_popescu: BTC-Mining the difference between wilful and incompetent melts away in some cases
BTC-Mining: Or I might be wrong but I'm pretty sure you tagged them as scammers numerous times.
Bugpowder: the color of the undies when they realize they lost all the invested coins again
mircea_popescu: "tony rocky horror shoulda fucken known better" in the immortal words of
OneEyed: I'd tend to agree with EskimoBob here. I'm fan of "don't attribute to malice what can be explained by stupidity", but in the bitcointalk world it looks like malice is often present
fimp: where does one create a new contract on GLBSE? I don't see that option anywhere
OneEyed: usagi: I don't bother hashking? I even filed *criminal charges* against him to get my money back!
OneEyed: usagi: none, I haven't invested with you, nor accused you of anything, you must be confused. I only asked questions when I didn't understand your answer to posted facts. Check your logs :)
OneEyed: The fact that you seem to consider a gain as a loss because when you convert to USD (which is not everyone's currency btw) this shows a gain?
assbot: [GLBSE] [JLP-BMD] 32 @ 0.0711 = 2.2752 BTC [+]
OneEyed: I'm not saying it's your fault. I'm saying that I don't understand how it can be considered to have gained value.
BTC-Mining: Eh. By the way Bugpowder, you know BTC-BOND offers a vast portfolio in front of loaned funds to prevent any loss? I also honor withdrawal upon requests.
OneEyed: That I understand. But was it best for investors to invest or not to invest in your company in this timeframe?
OneEyed: It was best for them to keep their bitcoins out of BMF, right?
Bugpowder: BTC-Mining, Sorry I'm sticking to MPEX securities, I don't think GLBSE will be around by Nov 1st.
BTC-Mining: Ah, believe GLBSE is going bust. Fair enough.
OneEyed: You still don't answer: wouldn't it have been best for investors to have kept their BTC out of BMF into a cold wallet? They could resold them for a better profit than if they went in and out of BMF, isn't it?
OneEyed: (I'm not talking about the future, I'm talking about the timeframe from May to now that you took as an example)
mircea_popescu: Bugpowder nov 1st, that bad ? i was thinking a quarter or two myself.
OneEyed: If I had $500 then, I would have $1000 now by having bought then sold bitcoins.
BTC-Mining: Difficulty adjusts itself... less bitcoins will be entering the market, especially after the block halving.
OneEyed: usagi: so you're saying that BMF is a good investment now, but how can you say it has been a good investment between May and now?
Eisenhower34: ^^ y and if you dont hold it you risk a price rise :)
Bugpowder: Well... I have only been following it for a month... can we plot the decline in volume somehow
Eisenhower34: but looking now backward it would have brought more USD if you had keept your BTC in a cold wallet
OneEyed: And I can start the cycle again and limit my € losses
OneEyed: (even if I limit my profit)
OneEyed: usagi: you say that like it's a good thing
mircea_popescu: OneEyed why be so safe ? i dumped into btc since about forever.
BTC-Mining: usagi: Why not keep it simple? "Bitcoin mining is a USD based investment"
Eisenhower34: not those who kept their btc in a cold wallet.....
OneEyed: mircea_popescu: because since July I've tried to convince myself of the usefulness of bitcoins, and I'm still not much convinced. I've seen almost no use except for trading.
mircea_popescu: OneEyed heh. bitcoin is literally the only currency in the world atm.
Eisenhower34: and if you would have kept your BTC you would have made more...
Bugpowder: Also, has nefario executed a single adminitrative duty on GLBSE in the past week?
BTC-Mining: nefario is often busy, he's not always around.
mircea_popescu: you leave someone behind if you're gone for a week come on./
mircea_popescu: dude imagine your corner 7/11 closed for a week cause owner was busy
BTC-Mining: I'm not aware of him not working/managing GLBSE right now.
pigeons: wow kakobrekla i didn't know you swere such a scammer ;)
BTC-Mining: Because actual miners have a much larger profit than actual bond holders (especially fixed)
mircea_popescu: BTC-Mining arguably they also do a lot more of the work
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 5200 @ 0.0004418 = 2.2974 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3443 @ 0.00036158 = 1.2449 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1200 @ 0.00036114 = 0.4334 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14057 @ 0.00036075 = 5.0711 BTC [-]
Eisenhower34: BTC-Mining, the problem is not the small "interest" you get, its more the dramatic price drop
Eisenhower34: all mining bonds made something between 1.5% and 2% interest a week
assbot: [GLBSE] [PLATINUM] 1 @ 0.00999999 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BITNODES] 2 @ 0.265 = 0.53 BTC [-]
Eisenhower34: EskimoBob its the same when you buy mining equip yourself...
assbot: [GLBSE] [JTME] 1 @ 0.65 BTC [-]
Eisenhower34: All i say is that mining isnt lucrative right now, not if you buy the equip yourself and not if you buy bonds
Eisenhower34: but who would have expected that huge difficulty increase the past few weeks
Eisenhower34: so you cannot blame anybody for any loss you made
assbot: [GLBSE] [NASTY] 1 @ 0.481 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [NASTY] 1 @ 0.48 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: i have bets with people claiming > 100 th in the coming months
Eisenhower34: micea You know the answer yourself... and you should know that you cannot really compare asig TH scale iwth GPU GH scale, same as you couldnt compare GPU <-> CPU MH scales
Diablo-D3: Eisenhower34: well, you can COMPARE
Diablo-D3: its just going to be a pretty scary ratio
assbot: [GLBSE] [NASTY] 1 @ 0.48 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: Eisenhower34 im just saying, people are betting this. if it comes true,
mircea_popescu: after all, the system doesn't care where you get your hashing, it's all fungible.
Diablo-D3: I wish luke would quit reporting posts
Eisenhower34: I only say that you stated the obvious which doesnt really deserves any answer
mircea_popescu: you said huge increase, i said it's possibly not even that huge. what's the issue ?
Eisenhower34: "you think this is huge ?" " i have bets with people claiming > 100 th in the coming months" <- Cpt Obvious to the rescue!
mircea_popescu: do you have some sort of previous unresolved issue eating at you ?
OneEyed: Did anyone see any ASIC-like increase in hashpower, be it on mainnet or on testnet?
Eisenhower34: Sorry but you didnt understood the more polite way telling you that, what did you expect me to say?
assbot: [GLBSE] [DMC] 21 @ 0.05499984 = 1.155 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [DMC] 1 @ 0.05499985 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [DMC] 50 @ 0.055 = 2.75 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [DMC] 148 @ 0.065 = 9.62 BTC [+]
OneEyed: I can't make my mind on whether this is a scam or not, or more exactly on whether they do have a product ready or not (even if they intend to have one eventually)
assbot: [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 103 @ 0.0034 = 0.3502 BTC [-]
OneEyed: Demonstrating it on testnet would be the best way to get free advertising
assbot: [GLBSE] [GOLD] 2 @ 0.00999998 = 0.02 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [DMC] 2 @ 0.065 = 0.13 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [DMC] 10 @ 0.067 = 0.67 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GOLD] 2 @ 0.00999998 = 0.02 BTC [+]
OneEyed: Eisenhower34: I would too, but for some reason I don't understand BFL said it wouldn't
Eisenhower34: OneEyed they "say" of course they wouldnt, but its on a different page what they really do :)
OneEyed: Eisenhower34: sure :) And it's true that it will be much more easy to conceal once they have delivered some ASICs, as they will be harder to identify.
Eisenhower34: y maybe they already mine with some of their products
Eisenhower34: the last rise from June 2012 looks very suspicious
assbot: [GLBSE] [BITBOND] 1 @ 0.27 BTC [+]
OneEyed: What happened to ciuciu recently? He seemed to be a nice guy, had pretty interesting deals, but now looks like he shorted a fuse over mircea_popescu and the porn pictures
assbot: [GLBSE] [GOLD] 8 @ 0.00999998 = 0.08 BTC [+]
OneEyed: mircea_popescu: did you do anything to him? I don't understand why he goes after MPEX every time he can. Do you owe him money or what?
assbot: [GLBSE] [DMC] 9 @ 0.075 = 0.675 BTC [+]
OneEyed: Oh, I thought the porn on mircea_popescu site was free for all :)
imsaguy2: who said you have to get the facts right when you're trolling?
OneEyed: imsaguy2: sure, but he tries very hard to get at MPEX and Mircea, so I guess he really has some motive
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.1111 BTC [-]
OneEyed: Because it's not even entertaining, not humorous, not a good troll
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 1 @ 0.00389453 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.1111 BTC [-]
imsaguy2: or when you're repeating info that's wrong.
OneEyed: Trolling is an art, that was taught by masters on Usenet in the ol'good days, before even AOL was allowed to access the news
assbot: [GLBSE] [MERGEDMINING] 5 @ 0.055 = 0.275 BTC [-]
OneEyed: I remember times when dropping "should I use vi or emacs to edit the configuration file?" in any software newsgroup would degenerate rapidly
imsaguy2: <EskimoBob> OneEyed: I guess he considers that porn peddler
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 3000 @ 0.00044181 = 1.3254 BTC [+]
OneEyed: imsaguy2: I was asking why ciuciu seemed to be so angry at Mircea
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.1111 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [MERGEDMINING] 12 @ 0.0515 = 0.618 BTC [-]
OneEyed: AFAICS, he hosts a BBS which includes porn
assbot: [GLBSE] [MERGEDMINING] 1 @ 0.0496 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [MERGEDMINING] 4 @ 0.04101 = 0.164 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [MERGEDMINING] 10 @ 0.04 = 0.4 BTC [-]
OneEyed: *That* would cause a huge price drop
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 2 @ 0.59999692 = 1.2 BTC [-]
OneEyed: pirate pays => price drop => people invest into BMF to hedge against BTC price drop => I see what you did here usagi :)
mircea_popescu: imsaguy2 no dude. i had some involvement back before 2000
mircea_popescu: some involvement = silent partner/financing some studios and also ocasionally producing.
imsaguy2: technically, the bbs isn't his site
OneEyed: imsaguy2: ok, hosted under the same root
mircea_popescu: OneEyed the girl (mpoe-pr) called some bond of his a scam or w/e
OneEyed: mircea_popescu: wow, I guess the girl hit a nerve then
mircea_popescu: i have no ideea, not like anyone's buying it or anything
mircea_popescu: i mean it can't be a ponzi on the strength of lack of volume alone.
OneEyed: EskimoBob: is that illegal?
OneEyed: (I'm checking, because I have no idea either)
OneEyed: Registrants of .us domains must be United States citizens, residents, or organizations, or a foreign entity with a presence in the United States.
OneEyed: (according to wikipedia, not the most reliable source, but generally good enough)
assbot: [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 23 @ 0.0034 = 0.0782 BTC [-]
OneEyed: "To ensure that these requirements are met, NeuStar frequently conducts "spot checks" on registrant information."
mircea_popescu: dude lay it to rest already. i have us companies, my cto is an american citizen, etfc
assbot: [GLBSE] [BITNODES] 1 @ 0.27849 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 4 @ 0.59999792 = 2.4 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BMMO] 4 @ 0.04100001 = 0.164 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [CPA] 2 @ 0.0386 = 0.0772 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 23377 @ 0.0034 = 79.4818 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [CPA] 2 @ 0.01500001 = 0.03 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BMMO] 1 @ 0.041 BTC [-]
assbot: Requesting data from GLBSE (might take a while, also might return fishy results as it does not account for splits etc).
assbot: CPA [1@0.1BTC] paid: 0.00569688 BTC. Last price: 0.01500001 BTC. Capital gain: -0.08499999 BTC. Total: -0.07930311 BTC. (-79.3%)
imsaguy2: usagi, I can't just go and give you hardware and screw everyone else
imsaguy2: you don't have that sort of priority
assbot: Requesting data from GLBSE (might take a while, also might return fishy results as it does not account for splits etc).
assbot: [GLBSE] [BMMO] 8 @ 0.04 = 0.32 BTC [-]
assbot: Requesting data from GLBSE (might take a while, also might return fishy results as it does not account for splits etc).
assbot: GSDPT [1@0.0032BTC] paid: 7.468E-5 BTC. Last price: 0.0034 BTC. Capital gain: 0.0002 BTC. Total: 0.00027468 BTC. (8.6%)
mircea_popescu: wait so if you have a leading period on the symbol glbse 404's ?
assbot: [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 12 @ 0.0034 = 0.0408 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [YABMC] 5 @ 0.075 = 0.375 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [YABMC] 1 @ 0.075 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [YARR] 1 @ 0.8 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [FZB.A] 1 @ 0.02972999 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [FZB.A] 1 @ 0.02973 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [FZB.A] 4 @ 0.03 = 0.12 BTC [+]
OneEyed: I thought YARR couldn't be traded anymore. I must have confused that with something else.
assbot: [GLBSE] [FZB.A] 2 @ 0.0221002 = 0.0442 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [FZB.A] 3 @ 0.02 = 0.06 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [FZB.A] 1 @ 0.00000005 BTC [-]
Chaang-Noi: i guess he will avoid the scammer tag for now
Chaang-Noi: not that it matters, i cant send the btc to anyone
OneEyed: Chaang-Noi: why, he forgot to send the private key along?
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 2 @ 0.59999792 = 1.2 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: was this your btc ? your assets' btc ? is there all of it ?
Chaang-Noi: yeah i asked for the non disputed btc he was holding hostage
Chaang-Noi: the disputed btc i assume he can make a claim fore
Chaang-Noi: nefario has been sending me e-mails daily
mircea_popescu: well this "some btc" needs to be clarified wtf it means
OneEyed: usagi: more importantly, he didn't explain those (potentially) bad decisions. He pretty much destroyed part of the trust people need to have in him.
Chaang-Noi: he has not explained why i was delisted, i want the fees refunded
Chaang-Noi: if i broke some tos or something he needs to tell me, if he offers a service, takes payment then fails to give service its scamming
OneEyed: usagi: are you implying that you know about irregularities?
assbot: [GLBSE] [BIB.BVPS] 1 @ 0.00387999 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BIB.BVPS] 5 @ 0.00388 = 0.0194 BTC [+]
OneEyed: I would trust you not to use them because you disagree with a business relationship
assbot: [GLBSE] [BIB.BVPS] 5 @ 0.00389 = 0.0195 BTC [+]
Eisenhower34: If there wouldnt be so many douchebags out there, calling me a scammer all day, i would have already opened a stock market myself... would take ~2 weeks to code it ...
OneEyed: Eisenhower34: mine would be more like MPEX than GLBSE if I'd do one
mircea_popescu: Eisenhower34 coding isn;'t the biggest deal. also, who and why is calling you a scammer ?
assbot: [GLBSE] [BIB.BVPS] 10 @ 0.003 = 0.03 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BIB.BVPS] 1 @ 0.00181 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43900 @ 0.00036273 = 15.9238 BTC [+]
Eisenhower34: that was the idea, but as it has already been pointed out several times its a CDS
mircea_popescu: you lack any verbiage as to the important points : 1. how are claims decided ; 2. how are people prevented from buying insurance on themselves and default.
Eisenhower34: with all those idiots asking for doxx and implying that im a scammer
assbot: [GLBSE] [BITCOINRS] 2 @ 0.043 = 0.086 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: everyone is assumed to be pirate nowdays
mircea_popescu: Eisenhower34 that'd be a different problem : you've made a website for something that already happens otc
mircea_popescu: nobody wants/needs it, and if they did they'd make it (those people who already trade cds otc, that is)
assbot: [GLBSE] [BITCOINRS] 1 @ 0.0344 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BITCOINRS] 1 @ 0.001 BTC [-]
Eisenhower34: thats not the problem. the problem are those comments : "Government ID please. ""We wouldn't want this to be another scam right?""Are you willing to provide a legal adress under which someone could be held accountable in case of fraud?" "I'll never conduct business with a "company" who refuses to even tell me the address where they are based."
mircea_popescu: actually, greyhawk has a point. specifically In that case you are of course aware that providing no contact information/full "Impressum" for your "business" is illegal under German legislation. Your website is a perfect opportunity for an Abmahnanwalt to sue the fuck out of you.
OneEyed: Satoshi dice September net profit: 2065.3 BTC
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 1 @ 0.00549093 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 1 @ 0.00549094 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 1 @ 0.00577557 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 2 @ 0.00617672 = 0.0124 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BIT.INC] 1 @ 0.1 BTC [+]
OneEyed: mircea_popescu: that may be relatively shitty according to some criteria, but for something that requires no maintenance, that's great
OneEyed: Compared to the hosting/tech expenses: 50 BTC
OneEyed: mircea_popescu: how do you make out of MPEX? :)
assbot: [GLBSE] [BIT.INC] 1 @ 0.05000001 BTC [-]
OneEyed: Only from commissions on sales and PGP registrations?
OneEyed: (I mean, only directly from MPEX)
assbot: [GLBSE] [BBBB] 8 @ 0.00016 = 0.0013 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [NASTY] 1 @ 0.484 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [NASTY] 1 @ 0.4848 BTC [+]
OneEyed: mircea_popescu: does it require a lot of maintenance or does it run mostly by itself? (I would guess the second)
pigeons: if mircea_popescu was really making money off porn, he would list it on glbse, so i know he's lying
OneEyed: Prudent, but a real burden, especially if you need to go away for a while…
assbot: [GLBSE] [PIMP] 22 @ 0.08999999 = 1.98 BTC [+]
OneEyed: EskimoBob: you mean because of uncovered hedge issues?
OneEyed: (sorry, not familiar with the words here)
mircea_popescu: OneEyed hey, i started the thing knowing this so i'm not complaining.
OneEyed: mircea_popescu: I don't know, it was a question on my side :)
assbot: [GLBSE] [BITBOND] 1 @ 0.26 BTC [-]
OneEyed: mircea_popescu: how would you handle a situation where Patrick would delay the payback of the principal obtained from MPCD?
gribble: Best bid: 12.691, Best ask: 12.69898, Bid-ask spread: 0.00798, Last trade: 12.699, 24 hour volume: 41446, 24 hour low: 12.321, 24 hour high: 12.79
OneEyed: What would be the value of the asset? The principal or the money obtained from selling the debt?
mircea_popescu: i would regard him as being in default for it tho, and neg rate
mircea_popescu: fact of the matter is, i told him at deposit time when the money needs to come out.
OneEyed: You should use MPEX to auction the claim first :)
OneEyed: He can be, if you have 1 share to sell. Just don't put a bid before a certain date, and let people place asks, that would be an auction
OneEyed: You can even put the ask at the original price
OneEyed: Maybe someone is willing to buy the debt in full, god knows why
rg: Chaang-Noi; you want to buy some ltc?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 32382 @ 0.0034 = 110.0988 BTC [+]
BTC-Mining: Someone make me a deal, got BTC burning my pockets.
assbot: [GLBSE] [BDK.BND] 11 @ 0.0495 = 0.5445 BTC [+]
rg: that's the highest ask on btc-e
rg: i just dont feel like logging in there, etc
gigavps: BTC-Mining give them to me
gigavps: i'll take care of them for you
rg: gigavps: will you eat a can of dog food on webcam for btc?
rg: ive always wanted to see that
gigavps: rg no, i have enough for the moment
rg: since the first day i found out about bitcoin-oc
BTC-Mining: Oh, that's a deal Gigavps? Perhaps you could tell me the many benefits of such a deal?
gigavps: BTC-Mining depends on how much you have
rg: 1B8pxbrxdGfUa2nxQHbhqyKYtEHgLGciwe
assbot: [GLBSE] [DMC] 1 @ 0.07 BTC [-]
rg: b984e2c4916bf484788b4a3ab578b0ba9a8a712ac955941674342260c52104b8
Chaang-Noi: 362d47bb3eac8e2a650c77713c39dd72a1bec56d54d085d35b0b8ed3dee3ed47
mircea_popescu: someone should make a scamcoin altchain which uses adresses in the format 1ililililiiiilli
rg: i need to pay some bills
rg: he always pays my bills
assbot: [GLBSE] [JLP-BMD] 1 @ 0.08999999 BTC [+]
Chaang-Noi: night all.. think i tracked down the dragon...
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 1 @ 0.00400001 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 5 @ 0.004 = 0.02 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.57999999 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [COGNITIVE] 2 @ 0.58 = 1.16 BTC [+]
OneEyed: Obviously that didn't cause you to mass buy OBSI.HRPT, so news are probably not good :)
assbot: [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 20 @ 0.00389 = 0.0778 BTC [+]
gigavps: how often do you see me joking?
BTC-Mining: Not often... but on IRC most are more casual than on the forum.
mircea_popescu: i don't see an announcement, just random bs from usagi & retard gang.
rg: [13:18] <gigavps> how often do you see me joking?
rg: before the rig got too big
BTC-Mining: Everyone is fun until they start doing business.
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 75 @ 0.004 = 0.3 BTC [-]
BTC-Mining: Be careful there usagi... with statements like this people will call you a clown. I mean, more than before.
BTC-Mining: OBSI, OBSI, why don't you pay dividends!
BTC-Mining: Oh wait... 0% - 1% per day eh. I guess he can pay 0%.
assbot: [GLBSE] [HYDRO.BONDS] 1 @ 1.33 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: contracts get more and more complex, people don't like to read
OneEyed: BTC-Mining: + "In the event of failure of the entity receiving pass-through investment, these bonds will not be repurchased."
mircea_popescu: Chaang-Noi "I now have more BTC than I once did. What this is for is unclear." wait. what ?!
assbot: [GLBSE] [BMF] 1 @ 0.40300001 BTC [-]
OneEyed: "Whatever the entity is. You cannot check that didn't just steal your BTC. You lose." <-- should have been added too
mircea_popescu: and ofcourse the entity is secret, so the claim can't be verified.
mircea_popescu: OneEyed people need to learn somehow that calling yourself "investor" doesn't make you one
assbot: [GLBSE] [YABMC] 1 @ 0.07315001 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5520 @ 0.00036447 = 2.0119 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 980 @ 0.00036451 = 0.3572 BTC [+]
OneEyed: I guess many people feel safer with such "I may screw you clause, invest accordingly" because they feel warned and more empowered by their decision to "invest"
BTC-Mining: Psst, BTC-BOND. The entity is myself and myself only.
BTC-Mining: If you can't trade, loan the funds to me. There's my personal portfolio in front of loaned money to absorb losses.
mircea_popescu: BTC-Mining weren't you complaining you're cash heavy a second ago ?
OneEyed: The silence can be very noisy sometimes…
BTC-Mining: I do a lot of trading. I almost always have a large part of funds in bids.
BTC-Mining: Could have more bids up or simply keep it placed.
OneEyed: BTC-Mining: why don't you directly post MIN/MAX/DURATION/INTERESTS?
OneEyed: How much you want (MIN/MAX), for how long, and what you're ready to pay as interests for the loan
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASIC.COOP] 1 @ 0.84 BTC [-]
BTC-Mining: It's already all stated in BTC-BOND's contract.
BTC-Mining: I can buy back your bonds upon request.
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASIC.COOP] 1 @ 0.85 BTC [+]
OneEyed: Oh, "secured by GLBSE assets". I would chose FDBF if I wanted to trust GLBSE right now, better interest rates.
BTC-Mining: I want to see first if BFL really delivers their ASIC beggining of November
OneEyed: That will be funny to look at.
BTC-Mining: OneEyed: better interest, but what protection does FDBF offer?
OneEyed: BTC-Mining: none if GLBSE market crashes completely
OneEyed: usagi: you could do that with Pirate at the beginning too
OneEyed: usagi: like GBF. Very nice owner, very bad returns.
OneEyed: usagi: you wouldn't have known by doing your liquidity test at the beginning
OneEyed: And yet you'll call out funds :)
OneEyed: BTC-Mining: yep, the most transparent I've seen in a while
OneEyed: Yes, I know. But the goal is to get money, right? Given that both are on GLBSE, they are practically indistinguishable by casual investors.
BTC-Mining: Contractually, they are quite different in how they work however.
OneEyed: usagi: aren't you in complete control of CPA/BMF/NYAN.* already?
OneEyed: So you're saying that you'll multiply the investors BTC without ever risking their money?
OneEyed: I thought friedcat reference was some kind of a joke I didn't get. Is there really someone nicknamed friedcat?
OneEyed: Ok, never seen his name. Maybe because there's no asic yet.
BTC-Mining: Difference is, FDBF would have losses as soon as any holding they have a loss of value. BTC-BOND would not.
BTC-Mining: So it might pay less but not without extra benefits.
OneEyed: usagi: the problem with GLBSE and MPEX is that they act as a broker, in addition to being an exchange. As long as they don't keep an outside copy of the up-to-date investors portfolios, they disappearing make their investors broke
OneEyed: usagi: if a protocol could be worked out with those brokers to ensure the information is not lost if they default or get hacked, then they would be usable without concerns
mircea_popescu: if you choose to go through one mpex is just the exchange
mircea_popescu: if you chose to talk to it directly YOU are the broker.
mircea_popescu: the 20 btc you pay pretty much gets you a floor spot. you can trade on your own acct or be a broker, w/e.
OneEyed: mircea_popescu: more or less - you can still not prove ownership of a share to the asset owner, can you?
OneEyed: mircea_popescu: (you can only prove that you bought a share, but that doesn't show that you haven't sold it)
copumpkin: it'd be nice to get subset statements
copumpkin: so you don't have to reveal your entire holdings to your clients, as a broker
copumpkin: but you at least have a statement signed by MPEX saying that you own shit
OneEyed: usagi: so it doesn't exist
BTC-Mining: OneEyed, MPEx makes signed statements of account holdings.
OneEyed: usagi: such a protocol should be submitted to as many pair of eyes as possible
mircea_popescu: copumpkin the problem i see with substatements is this : a person could claim falsely they are covering many accounts with the statements for just the largest one
OneEyed: BTC-Mining: yes, but it forces you to reveal your portfolio, as underlined by copumpkin
copumpkin: OneEyed: so not to you, since you only have one?
mircea_popescu: therefore, this would introduce security theatre, no gain of safety.
mircea_popescu: and as such im not doing it. if client doesn't trust broker client doesn't use broker.
BTC-Mining: OneEyed, think I'd care about revealing my portfolio?
mircea_popescu: they can ask for order receipts from mpex, to prove broker isnt a bucket shop
OneEyed: BTC-Mining: some people could
BTC-Mining: It's been public since I started BTC-BOND
guruvan: yes it would be nice to be able to show someone one asset signed, without showing the whole portfolio
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10100 @ 0.00036273 = 3.6636 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26500 @ 0.00036075 = 9.5599 BTC [-]
BTC-Mining: Nope, got to go harass Amazingrando once again
guruvan: ah - yeah - that works fine, especially for a project I'm working on over here
BTC-Mining: Eh, he keeps forgetting about poor BTC-MINING
assbot: [GLBSE] [BAKEWELL] 2 @ 0.149 = 0.298 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 1 @ 0.00719998 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 39 @ 0.00719999 = 0.2808 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BFLS.RIG] 5 @ 0.8 = 4 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BFLS.RIG] 15 @ 0.799 = 11.985 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] [PAID] 10000000 @ 0.00002065 = 206.53002099 BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 300 @ 0.00044181 = 0.1325 BTC [+]
assbot: !pl <ticker> [<amount>@]<bought at> [<YYYY-MM-DD>]
assbot: Requesting data from GLBSE (might take a while, also might return fishy results as it does not account for splits etc).
assbot: [GLBSE] [DMC] 13 @ 0.075 = 0.975 BTC [+]
assbot: Requesting data from GLBSE (might take a while, also might return fishy results as it does not account for splits etc).
assbot: Requesting data from GLBSE (might take a while, also might return fishy results as it does not account for splits etc).
assbot: GSDPT [1@0.0032BTC] paid: 7.468E-5 BTC. Last price: 0.00389 BTC. Capital gain: 0.00069 BTC. Total: 0.00076468 BTC. (23.9%)
OneEyed: Dividends have probably not be paid there yet
OneEyed: since it's a passthrough to MPEX…
femtotube: OneEyed: 95% of divs only gets passed
OneEyed: femtotube: yeah, but even those 95% have probably not been passed yet
assbot: [GLBSE] [BLUECHIP] 3 @ 0.1 = 0.3 BTC [+]
femtotube: I wonder when those guys will back the bags and move on. He got his 10 years or so upfront
mircea_popescu: hopefully next month is 2x over expectation and that expectation is 6k or something
femtotube: 10% of a imaginary value, bloated way out of proportions
femtotube: what was the size of the issue in BTC?
markac: femtotube: Sorry, can't calculate that.
markac: Note that .calc is deprecated, consider using .c
markac: femtotube: Sorry, can't calculate that.
markac: Note that .calc is deprecated, consider using .c
DeaDTerra: GSDPT dividend will be paid in a couple of secs :)
DeaDTerra: 12.282453 BTC paid in dividend to GSDPT
femtotube: LOL, this is funny, that something like that is valued at 4.2MM usd
femtotube: whats the cost of 200 h of programming and testing?
PsychoticBoy: lol come on a simple site and game 4 fucking million, wtf, more like 50K
mircea_popescu: apple's worth a trillion on the strength of owning a market that's bound to be irrelevant soon
femtotube: apple has NOTHING to do with 200 h of programming and testing
mircea_popescu: PsychoticBoy i dunno why people keep thinking in terms of "o, a site"
mircea_popescu: it's the source of the majority of bitcoin transactions.
PsychoticBoy: no its a sinple game, programmed by a 4 year old
femtotube: who cares, it can be copied so easily
OneEyed: PsychoticBoy: I'm sure you're upset not to have had the idea first.
femtotube: hmmm... not a bad idea but i do not like gambling
mircea_popescu: OneEyed i got tons of ideas for you if you can code worth a shit and are willing to put the hours in
mircea_popescu: thing is, nobody can code, nobody wants to work, everyone wants to sit tits up and go "oh, these things that people pay money for aren't worth money"
femtotube: I can not code at all :( but I have some cool ideas too
OneEyed: mircea_popescu: time is a factor. Concerning whether I can code or not, Ohloh can tell you
mircea_popescu: yes time is a factor. that's what makes founders make money. they put the time in.
femtotube: If I can find someone to trust and write good code...
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user OneEyed has been recorded.
femtotube: OneEyed: looking at the URL, you have way too much free time :)
OneEyed: Yeah, I was a student then, and we worked on CVS with the team from a small company named "Cyclic Software"
OneEyed: CVS had just got client/server capabilities
kakobrekla: lol at least smpake is getting some traffic cause of bit4x
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 5 @ 0.111099 = 0.5555 BTC [-]
OneEyed: femtotube: I didn't "work" on the kernel, I wrote a driver for the watchdog of my dedicated server. I usually contribute when I need something, except for some projects that I find fun for some time, like c:geo
OneEyed: It helps that I teach how to write Linux device drivers in my embedded systems course. That was just a driver, indeed. Read the datasheet, write code, …, profit.
OneEyed: Yeah. I also have various dashes - – —
OneEyed: (shit, my font renders them the same way in my terminal)
OneEyed: In a text document they appear with different lengths :)
femtotube: dam, is there anything positive in the forums or only scamm accusations, rippoffs and everyday crap :(
OneEyed: femtotube: yeah, one think I have learned since I joined bitcointalk in July is that it's mostly shit
femtotube: sure, I have wife and kids right behind me at the moment.
OneEyed: femtotube: he was not asking you to *produce* porn :)
OneEyed: (that was a joke, apparently a bad one)
femtotube: he probably wants to send me some of his porn links
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 5300 @ 0.00044181 = 2.3416 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 3290 @ 0.00044181 = 1.4536 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: BTC-Mining kinda why i like irc. the vast majority of scammers doesn't have the technical ability to hang out yet.
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 31 @ 0.00719999 = 0.2232 BTC [+]
BTC-Mining: funnymoney? Let's shorten it to funmoney.
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 1 @ 0.00410001 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [CPA] 2 @ 0.015 = 0.03 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 29 @ 0.0041002 = 0.1189 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 1 @ 0.0041002 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 70 @ 0.0041001 = 0.287 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: femtotube just for my curiosity : does it occur to you s.dice would do much better by stealing the bets than by stealing the shareholders money ?
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 29 @ 0.00410001 = 0.1189 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 344 @ 0.004 = 1.376 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 1 @ 0.58 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [MERGEDMINING] 1 @ 0.06199999 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 300 @ 0.0034 = 1.02 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 1 @ 0.0034 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 19445 @ 0.0034 = 66.113 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 2 @ 0.00495 = 0.0099 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [MERGEDMINING] 1 @ 0.03 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1day: 0.0034 / 0.0034 / 0.0034 (148238 shares, 504.01 BTC), 30day: 0.00325001 / 0.00337675 / 0.0034 (1922813 shares, 6,492.86 BTC)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1036 @ 0.00036075 = 0.3737 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17300 @ 0.00036074 = 6.2408 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33164 @ 0.00036063 = 11.9599 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 90 @ 0.00339999 = 0.306 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 52 @ 0.003392 = 0.1764 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 100 @ 0.00339103 = 0.3391 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 700 @ 0.00339102 = 2.3737 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 333 @ 0.00339101 = 1.1292 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 1300 @ 0.003391 = 4.4083 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 300 @ 0.00331 = 0.993 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 12 @ 0.003301 = 0.0396 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 58 @ 0.0033 = 0.1914 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 1200 @ 0.0033 = 3.96 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 2 @ 0.59979999 = 1.1996 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [PUREMINING] 1 @ 0.1017 BTC [+]
DeaDTerra: Dividend was indeed paid for GSDPT
OneEyed: DeaDTerra: good luck on closing down GBF, I'm reading your post now
Diablo-D3: I thought I was subscribed to the gbf thread
assbot: [GLBSE] [DMC] 2 @ 0.075 = 0.15 BTC [+]
femtotube: "mircea_popescu | femtotube just for my curiosity..." I agree, that stealing and walking away not to long after successful IPO are similar acts but they are not really the same.
assbot: [GLBSE] [DMC] 1 @ 0.06 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [DMC] 1 @ 0.02 BTC [-]
Diablo-D3: DeaDTerra: so that 1 BTC I invested, what did it end up coming out as?
mircea_popescu: site is trusted to the tune of 1/4 mn a month in bets.
femtotube: mircea_popescu: are they making 4.2 USD that way?
OneEyed: mircea_popescu: it depends, dodn't forget that if SatoshiDice were to stop paying people, word will spread very rapidly, since they use 0 confirmations payout is immediate
DeaDTerra: Yes I am closing the fund unfortunatly
femtotube: Thy can not steal that large of a %
mircea_popescu: OneEyed except recently they had a day's worth of payments on backlog recall ?
OneEyed: DeaDTerra: I have had the occasion to tell you already, but I'll say it again a last time: I've not been lucky with my investment, but you were very nice as a manager, and for this I thank you
DeaDTerra: It was as high as 1.38 then we had tons of defaults and bad investments.
BTC-Mining: Currently buying in bulk: BIB.BVPS, S.BVPS, GIGAMINING, DMC, ASICMINER or anything else if it's a really good offer.
femtotube: best way is to run IPO, and than say ... of we can not run it any more. Some gambling blah is after us ... end of the story
DeaDTerra: Thank you!, It was not a easy decision to make, I must say.
OneEyed: mircea_popescu: ok, so they could get away with 3 days maybe, so 1/10th of the monthly bets, or 1/5th of the average profit. Might be enough as a scam though.
Diablo-D3: I think maybe bitcoin just isnt ready for prime time yet
DeaDTerra: It has been a big part of my life several hours a day for a year, all the people I have meet all the people that have trusted me. Felt horrible to let them all down, but I would rather cut it off now then to deterirate and become a shell of what it once was.
gigavps: femtotube because moar is betta
femtotube: "moar is betta" let me process that
femtotube: hold on, is DeaDTerra closing the shop?
mircea_popescu: OneEyed 1/10 of daily bets is the monthly profit for half a year.
DeaDTerra: I am closing up Gamma Bitcoin Fund
assbot: Requesting data from GLBSE (might take a while, also might return fishy results as it does not account for splits etc).
OneEyed: mircea_popescu: yeah, my computations were totally out
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 2 @ 0.11039988 = 0.2208 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.10800001 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 5 @ 0.108 = 0.54 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.106 BTC [-]
DeaDTerra: Yea :8, for the communities sake I would like to keep it going, but I don't have the time to keep the quality where I want it, and I don't want to offer a shitty service.
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 10 @ 0.105102 = 1.051 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 29 @ 0.105101 = 3.0479 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 12 @ 0.105 = 1.26 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 11 @ 0.10352448 = 1.1388 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 2 @ 0.10311 = 0.2062 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 10 @ 0.10302 = 1.0302 BTC [-]
femtotube: what's the symbol and IPO price you had?
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 12 @ 0.10300101 = 1.236 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 15 @ 0.103 = 1.545 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 39 @ 0.101102 = 3.943 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 15 @ 0.101002 = 1.515 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 5 @ 0.10100006 = 0.505 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 36 @ 0.10100005 = 3.636 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 5 @ 0.10100002 = 0.505 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 20 @ 0.10100001 = 2.02 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 158 @ 0.101 = 15.958 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 6 @ 0.10031 = 0.6019 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 2 @ 0.1002 = 0.2004 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 50 @ 0.1001 = 5.005 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 7 @ 0.10007 = 0.7005 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.10000002 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 5 @ 0.10000002 = 0.5 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 100 @ 0.10000002 = 10 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 35 @ 0.10000002 = 3.5 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 11 @ 0.10000002 = 1.1 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 163 @ 0.10000001 = 16.3 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 5 @ 0.1 = 0.5 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 80 @ 0.1 = 8 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 147 @ 0.1 = 14.7 BTC [-]
femtotube: BTC-Mining your lucky day! You wanted ASICMINER
OneEyed: Looks like someone dumped a lot of shares of ASICMINER
DeaDTerra: femtotube, it was not share based but account based.
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.11109889 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 7 @ 0.1110989 = 0.7777 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 33 @ 0.0033995 = 0.1122 BTC [+]
BTC-Mining: People need to tell me where to place my bids =/
DeaDTerra: No, I do not plan to do that, I might though if SEC says it's illegal or if GLBSE goes the way of having to register everything. I am seing the BTC securities going from gray to dark gray
DeaDTerra: once it turns just a hint of black I am out.
mircea_popescu: seems more a problem of glbse trust pushing them down than anything.
DeaDTerra: Totally transparent, daily updated log books and the whole portfolio updated daily and publically open
OneEyed: DeaDTerra: you'll probably get the question, so: will you allow people to sell their accounts (at a discount if they want out faster than is described)?
DeaDTerra: how things should be run, instead of promising things you can't hold and then default
DeaDTerra: Yea sure, I have nothing against that, it's a open market
DeaDTerra: I want to note acount balance does not mean amount paid out.
DeaDTerra: The amount paid out will be the amount of BTC you have invested/total BTC invested * bitcoins liquidated
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 4 @ 0.10800002 = 0.432 BTC [-]
OneEyed: Yeah, of course, and I've seen your answer to strello
DeaDTerra: Good just want to make that clear so I don't end up being called a scammer or something like that.
femtotube: was there a saying that you buy when there is blood on the streets and sell, when everyone has a party? Or something like that?
OneEyed: I think it will need to be stressed more, as some people will expect the exact amount
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18300 @ 0.00036094 = 6.6052 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34100 @ 0.00036451 = 12.4298 BTC [+]
DeaDTerra: okay I added a edit to explain that part.
mircea_popescu: so pretty much BTC-Mining and the dutch ppls are what's left in glbse funds at any sort of standard ?
DeaDTerra: I will say though, when there's a market for it, I have enough time and people want me to I am happy to open up GBF again, but right now neither of these are true.
OneEyed: DeaDTerra: another remark: "The logbooks will not be daily but weekly and will reflect the amount liquidated"
OneEyed: DeaDTerra: how will people know what how the "expected" amount evolves?
DeaDTerra: I will keep the current way of calculating NAV
OneEyed: Ok, makes sense. This will converge towards 0 this way.
DeaDTerra: so I will have a amount liquidated and that will be the liquid BTC and then I will have amount left and that will be the value of the illiquid assets
assbot: [GLBSE] [FPGAMINING] 1 @ 0.40050001 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [FPGAMINING] 1 @ 0.4005 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [FPGAMINING] 1 @ 0.4003 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [FPGAMINING] 2 @ 0.4002 = 0.8004 BTC [-]
OneEyed: And people should also realize that your way of liquidating means that they may get their current investment back, or even get more of it.
assbot: [GLBSE] [FPGAMINING] 1 @ 0.376 BTC [-]
DeaDTerra: List of investors and their holdings:
femtotube: mircea_popescu: but the flying D is inevstinf to different GLBSE issues. So, if there is nothing left to invest, who will they be worth anything?
OneEyed: femtotube: that's also my fear. Right now they do fine, more than fine even, but if they grow, they'll have nothing to invest into
femtotube: btw, s.dice total issue is 20.6K BTC?
femtotube: and at that rate they go, it will take 10 years to earn what they are taking home from IPO? no no ...
DeaDTerra: Okay, I am leaving now guys. Please keep a eye on the GBF thread and keep it calm and cilizied until I get back okay? :)
femtotube: 30K BTC for 10%! and 10% from 2K is 200
mircea_popescu: the shares make roughly 15-20% a year on dividends, yes
mircea_popescu: dude. he makes the whole net. he owns 9x% of the shares.
femtotube: he makes 2-5K but investors paid 30K for 10%
mircea_popescu: and on that 34.5k they realise through dividends about 15-20% a year.
BTC-Mining: What's the 6 month you are talking about?
mircea_popescu: BTC-Mining he asked how long does the guy take to make what the shareholders paid.
femtotube: this is irrelevant and confuses the heck out of it
femtotube: the total ipo is 30K BTC yes (give or take)
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 1 @ 0.00402001 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 24 @ 0.00402 = 0.0965 BTC [-]
femtotube: and this 34.5K BTC represents 10% of the Co?
femtotube: now, if investors get 200 BTC a month
mircea_popescu: they'd likely get more. 200 was half the expected yield this month
BTC-Mining: 34.5K would need then 3.45k a year in divs for 10% or 287.5 BTC per month
mircea_popescu: if they make 200 btc a month in divs it will take ~15 years for the divs to accumulate to the level of their original investment.
femtotube: they just had a div 206 for investors
mircea_popescu: BTC-Mining the expected statistical yield for sept was ~420 iirc
mircea_popescu: femtotube well, so thei did a 768 div month before that.
femtotube: mircea_popescu: correct and that what i was trying to tell you
mircea_popescu: i fail to see the problem tho. dividends are a little above what is paid on nyse commonly.
BTC-Mining: That's exactly the problem. It's not Microsoft co or whatever. It's significantly more risky.
BTC-Mining: As such, getting such low dividends...
femtotube: to what? regulated market? Where you can not just lift your hat and say good day and walk?
femtotube: s.dice is a blockchain spamming web sire where pople gamble. Illegal probably too :)
femtotube: mircea_popescu: and how many CO's are listed in NYSE and NASDAQ?
mircea_popescu: well obviously the obsolete version will have more years duh
assbot: [GLBSE] [MOORE] 6 @ 0.5001 = 3.0006 BTC [+]
femtotube: is that bunch bigger, than GLBSE and all the others combined? What about daily turn over, market cap etc?
mircea_popescu: in 1920 the argument that stagecoach was used for YEARS did what exactly ? cars win.
mircea_popescu: actually, mpex owned the romanian stock exchange on s.dice ipo day
assbot: [GLBSE] [MU] 6 @ 0.19 = 1.14 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GERBITIN.PYRA] 2 @ 0.98 = 1.96 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 500 @ 0.0004418 = 0.2209 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.11 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [MINING] 3 @ 0.8 = 2.4 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 14 @ 0.0033995 = 0.0476 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BITBOND] 1 @ 0.25000001 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 2 @ 0.11099889 = 0.222 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [YABMC] 1 @ 0.07499999 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [MINING] 1 @ 0.8 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BBBB] 14 @ 0.00016 = 0.0022 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BBBB] 181 @ 0.00016 = 0.029 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 30 @ 0.0033995 = 0.102 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.11 BTC [-]
dub: scam accusations sure are backing up
dub: by undertaking to protect 'the community' in the manner then failing im pretty sure theymos, maged and any other staff are making scammers of themselves
assbot: [GLBSE] [BBBB] 100 @ 0.00016 = 0.016 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1400 @ 0.0003613 = 0.5058 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25594 @ 0.00036451 = 9.3293 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3969 @ 0.00036458 = 1.447 BTC [+]
dub: the scam accusation forum
dub: im just commenting that there are a large number of accusation threads that don't seem to have been actioned
jcpham: i like t print out forum threads as toilet paper
jurov: imho bitcointalk ought be replaced by something more reddit-like
jurov: good idea, i should offer it on bitmit.com "Toilet paper with btctalk thread of your choice"
dub: I once used a windows 3.x manual for toilet paper
rg: i bet that would sell
jurov: sorry that i don't have inkjet anymore... dunno how it would work with laser
dub: jurov: I'll take as many rolls as needed to print all of LoupGaroux, or whatever that fuckwits name is, posts
jurov: on 40m roll will fit 800 posts, if average one has 5cm
dub: no, of all the arrogant knowitall assclowns that one holds itself in teh highest regard
dub: also, everyone hates the rench
jurov: be careful, romanians are quite close to french :)
mircea_popescu: it's actually the french that are close to the romanians, or at least trying
mircea_popescu: Bugpowder when are you gonna splurge on an irc client ?
Bugpowder: Probably when I make some bitcoins on a trade
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 9 @ 0.004021 = 0.0362 BTC [+]
Bugpowder: but I will never get out of the F.GIGA.ETF panic sell hole
jcpham: i bouncer would blow your mind then Bugpowder
jcpham: excuse me, i'm old. a bnc i mean
jcpham: like a private ircdthat you configure
jcpham: to stay connected and log
Bugpowder: I might have used that many years ago
Bugpowder: I haven't don't much on IRC since 96-01
dub: I like to IRC from a bnc terminator
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 1000 @ 0.0004418 = 0.4418 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 3700 @ 0.0004418 = 1.6347 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 900 @ 0.0004418 = 0.3976 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 2025 @ 0.0004418 = 0.8946 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40143 @ 0.00036458 = 14.6353 BTC [+]
Bugpowder: I prefer to IRC from my browser window
jcpham: packet radio would be more effective
rg: hehe i have some BNC pcmcia shit
rg: i had some 10mbit nics too
dub: I've got nics, connectors, miles of cable
dub: I have a shitload of 1310nm lasers
dub: they're in SFPs (optical transcievers)
Bugpowder: bad spot on the H20 absorbtion curve
assbot: [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 1 @ 0.0033995 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 1 @ 0.00690053 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 20 @ 0.00690054 = 0.138 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 29 @ 0.00690055 = 0.2001 BTC [+]
Bugpowder: all the buy back chatter sucking people in
femtotube: do any of you know what DMC has in it's portfolio?
assbot: [GLBSE] [BTC-MINING] 1 @ 0.94989999 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BTC-MINING] 1 @ 0.9499 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BTC-MINING] 5 @ 0.95 = 4.75 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BTC-MINING] 2 @ 0.95 = 1.9 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 20 @ 0.00670219 = 0.134 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 325 @ 0.0067022 = 2.1782 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 90 @ 0.0069 = 0.621 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 65 @ 0.00690055 = 0.4485 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 6 @ 0.00690059 = 0.0414 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 2 @ 0.00698317 = 0.014 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 2 @ 0.007 = 0.014 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 176 @ 0.00705036 = 1.2409 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 1500 @ 0.0004418 = 0.6627 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 3222 @ 0.00044181 = 1.4235 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 970 @ 0.00044182 = 0.4286 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 2100 @ 0.00044182 = 0.9278 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 9800 @ 0.00044182 = 4.3298 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 5800 @ 0.00044182 = 2.5626 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 200 @ 0.00044183 = 0.0884 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 5911 @ 0.00044183 = 2.6117 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 8269 @ 0.00044183 = 3.6535 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 2746 @ 0.00044183 = 1.2133 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 2480 @ 0.00044184 = 1.0958 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 5984 @ 0.00044184 = 2.644 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 4900 @ 0.00044184 = 2.165 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 208 @ 0.00044185 = 0.0919 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 7410 @ 0.00044186 = 3.2742 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 3499 @ 0.00044186 = 1.5461 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 1691 @ 0.00044186 = 0.7472 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 880 @ 0.00044186 = 0.3888 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 3778 @ 0.00044186 = 1.6693 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 500 @ 0.00044186 = 0.2209 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 5040 @ 0.00044186 = 2.227 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 400 @ 0.00044186 = 0.1767 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 11100 @ 0.00044186 = 4.9046 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 3112 @ 0.00044186 = 1.3751 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 7407 @ 0.00044186 = 3.2729 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 7500 @ 0.00044187 = 3.314 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 7193 @ 0.00044193 = 3.1788 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 6500 @ 0.00044302 = 2.8796 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 1400 @ 0.00046526 = 0.6514 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 4900 @ 0.0004418 = 2.1648 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 1675 @ 0.0004418 = 0.74 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 6996 @ 0.0004418 = 3.0908 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 8600 @ 0.00044177 = 3.7992 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 2829 @ 0.00044174 = 1.2497 BTC [-]
Doffx: Is the Gsdpt div pretty low? I was thinking it might reach 4% a month or so, buts its quite a bit lower than that. Less than 1%
femtotube: Doffx: maybe thy have not enough shares to pay better div. I know, I know, this is probably a bad joke for today :)
assbot: [GLBSE] [LTC-MINING] 1 @ 0.569999 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [LTC-MINING] 1 @ 0.41520001 BTC [-]
BTC-Mining: Doffx, no, around 1% is pretty much what was expected
assbot: [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 20 @ 0.0033995 = 0.068 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 400 @ 0.0033995 = 1.3598 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10157 @ 0.00036521 = 3.7094 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C100T] 850 @ 0.33091416 = 281.277 BTC [+]
Doffx: I was hoping for more but at least the stock is stable
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 10 @ 0.0069999 = 0.07 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [NYAN.B] 1 @ 0.44999999 BTC [+]
guruvan: ya know mircea_popescu I'm surprised no one's tried a big short squeeze when they know someone has a big short
guruvan: oh anything....since people mostly have to advertise the desire to borrow shares, a short squeeze seems like it would e easy if someone thought of it
guruvan: wouldn't take that much on GLBSE
guruvan: oh, I'm sure THAT desire isn't lacking around here Smoovious
guruvan: mircea_popescu: I've certainly seen money mangers get squeezed in the big markets....not often, but big when it happens
mircea_popescu: people who borrow shares on fixed time intervals can't.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8143 @ 0.00036102 = 2.9398 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2957 @ 0.0003653 = 1.0802 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: in practice the later is usually only available to specialists or otherwise select players.
guruvan: hmm...good point (can't as easily.....though it could happen, but then it's a game of who ever has the most funds wins)
Diablo-D3: [05:12:50] <mircea_popescu> iirc mostly obsi and usagi
Diablo-D3: obsi closed all of his assets, and I dont have any of usagi's stuff
Diablo-D3: [05:11:51] <femtotube> do any of you know what DMC has in it's portfolio?
Diablo-D3: 1000 btcmc, 1000 asicminer, 106 btc-mining
assbot: [GLBSE:BTC-MINING] [Bid: 0.93100001] [Ask: 0.959033] [Spread: 0.02803299] [Last: 0.95] [24hVol: 25.44309999] [7dAvg: 0.95297324]
assbot: [GLBSE:BTCMC] [Bid: 0.5] [Ask: 0.58969999] [Spread: 0.08969999] [Last: 0.45000001] [24hVol: ] [7dAvg: 0.521956]
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: I calculated it as >800
assbot: [GLBSE:DMC] [Bid: 0.02] [Ask: 0.07499998] [Spread: 0.05499998] [Last: 0.02] [24hVol: 16.37999649] [7dAvg: 0.07139604]
mircea_popescu: then again smickles was trading .3 / 1.1 yest in spite of being worth ~1.x
Doffx: What happen with all the DMC drama anyhow.
Doffx: Well I'm sure of that.
Diablo-D3: some, some are jumping the entire market
dub: not sure how anyone can stay at this point
Doffx: I left a long time ago
Doffx: I own 1 stock and I tried to sell it
Doffx: But then the .0034 bidwall got put up and fucked me.
dub: I own 1 DMC and a soon as someone pays me one million btc for it, im out
Diablo-D3: I guess Im stuck slowly buying everything back
Diablo-D3: so just buy up all the dmc on the market
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 10 @ 0.5989 = 5.989 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 10 @ 0.59 = 5.9 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 1 @ 0.59 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50100 @ 0.0003653 = 18.3015 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BFLS.RIG] 5 @ 0.9 = 4.5 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BFLS.RIG] 2 @ 0.94 = 1.88 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BFLS.RIG] 10 @ 0.95 = 9.5 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BFLS.RIG] 1 @ 0.97 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BFLS.RIG] 10 @ 0.97899 = 9.7899 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BFLS.RIG] 39 @ 0.979 = 38.181 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BFLS.RIG] 1 @ 0.979 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BFLS.RIG] 1 @ 0.98 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BFLS.RIG] 2 @ 0.98 = 1.96 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17000 @ 0.00036192 = 6.1526 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: "I was turned off by an otherwise-appealing open-source project after seeing that Zynga had contributed to it"
Diablo-D3: "I want to write a simple program in python with two libraries, but one requires python2, and the other python3."
Azelphur: Diablo-D3: I like this subreddit xD
mircea_popescu: "I want to write a simple program in python with two libraries, but one requires python2, and the other python3."
Diablo-D3: yeah, clearly bitcoin is fucktarded
Diablo-D3: "I used Bash for three years before learning about tab completion"
Diablo-D3: because the black mages has a good version of it
BTC-Mining: The full original version is good enough for me.
Diablo-D3: actually, Im almost considering playing either ToP or ff5 again
BTC-Mining: Eh, I'd need to get ff5 or seiken densetsu 3
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21006 @ 0.00036077 = 7.5783 BTC [-]
BTC-Mining: I just don't have so much time to play everything.
BTC-Mining: I pretty much never played anything that was not released in North America
assbot: [GLBSE] [RAREEARTH] 1 @ 0.00999999 BTC [+]
Diablo-D3: I dont think I can ever play earthbound again
Diablo-D3: BTC-Mining: tales of phantasia had a jpop intro. on the snes. with lyrics.
BTC-Mining: played illusion of gaia and star ocean
Diablo-D3: terranigma's internal project name was illusion of gaia 2, but they're unrelated games (same way FF games are)
Diablo-D3: star ocean was made by the same team that did tales of phantaisa
Diablo-D3: star ocean and ToP are impressive uses of the snes hardware
Diablo-D3: oh, and I assume you've already played chrono trigger
Diablo-D3: BTC-Mining: Im not sure if you know this, but the black mages is nobuo uematsu's rock band
Diablo-D3: him and two other squaresoft composers
BTC-Mining: yeah of course, never heard anything from them tho
assbot: [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 34 @ 0.0033995 = 0.1156 BTC [+]
Diablo-D3: chrono trigger is the best rpg ever. on any platform.
Diablo-D3: its basically portal for old school jrpgs
Diablo-D3: everything that needs to be there is there
Diablo-D3: and it doesnt help I've beaten it like 50 times
BTC-Mining: I'm not sure why the cult around Chrono Trigger. Definitely one of the best I ever played but still...
Diablo-D3: I mean, like, Ive played basically every great jrpg ever
Diablo-D3: and ct still tops it and I cant figure out why
BTC-Mining: I don't like that Black Mages version too much.
Diablo-D3: earthbound papas is nobuo uematsu's OTHER band.
BTC-Mining: The fact it's synthetized is a bit annoying, especially for the chorus.
Diablo-D3: yeah especially when theres very good synth choirs out there
BTC-Mining: But the rest is perfect. Closer to SNES sounds.
Diablo-D3: everything needed to do final fantasy music: ewql symphonic orchestra, ewql symphonic choir, ewql stormdrum
Diablo-D3: thats like $3000 worth of software
Diablo-D3: ewsqlso is like 5 DVDs or some shit
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 700 @ 0.00045505 = 0.3185 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: "I think Bitcoin and cryptocurrency stands to challenge and has the potential to topple the very notion of unlawful trade, just like the printing press challenged and toppled the notion of unlawful speech."
dub: BTC-Mining: aren't you chinese? should be familiar with that concept
Diablo-D3: sqaure is fucktarded for not using this music in a ff6 port
dub: oh, I assumed the lack of logic and reasoning was cultural
Diablo-D3: dub: you almost owe me a new keyboard
assbot: [GLBSE] [BDK.BND] 2 @ 0.0495 = 0.099 BTC [+]
BTC-Mining: Some sounds are too low while most beats are just... way too high.
assbot: [GLBSE] [BBBB] 140 @ 0.00016 = 0.0224 BTC [+]
BTC-Mining: I can't have it loud enough without having the occasional blast shredding my eardrums.
Diablo-D3: the way dancing mad was meant to be
rdponticelli_: mircea_popescu: Have you thought about listing ASICMINER on mpex?
Diablo-D3: it wouldnt be a passthrough either
Diablo-D3: friedcat will hold onto shares off glbse if you have enough
BTC-Mining: So anyway. Apparently I'm chinese for being on GLBSE, because it's cultural for chinese people to lack logic. Seems somewhat racist.
mircea_popescu: if they actually deliver something at some point we can talk ofcourse, but atm seems premature
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4300 @ 0.00036134 = 1.5538 BTC [+]
Diablo-D3: "When I was your age, we rocket jumped all the way to school uphill, both ways, in boiling lava"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BVPS] 7800 @ 0.00351 = 27.378 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [COGNITIVE] 2 @ 0.57999999 = 1.16 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [COGNITIVE] 21 @ 0.58 = 12.18 BTC [+]
dub: <BTC-Mining> So anyway. Apparently I'm chinese for being on GLBSE
dub: not sure I could have illustrated that point any better, thanks.
assbot: [GLBSE] [GOLD] 10 @ 0.00999998 = 0.1 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [COGNITIVE] 3 @ 0.5551005 = 1.6653 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [COGNITIVE] 7 @ 0.55510049 = 3.8857 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.55 BTC [-]
tbcoin: Someone could summarize what the fuck is going on with nefarious and goat / TYGRR?? I've been off the topic a while now and I do not understand what happens.
Diablo-D3: tbcoin: basically he delisted goat's assets without warning
Diablo-D3: and now is trying to force a broken redeem system on goat
Diablo-D3: and is also holding hostage any btc goat had on bitcoin
Diablo-D3: because nefario already spent it on coke
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9300 @ 0.00036162 = 3.3631 BTC [+]
tbcoin: nefarious has given any explanation? forum I see lot of laps about the communication between them
Diablo-D3: even bitcointalk admins have ordered him to give a good reason
BTC-Mining: Basically, long ago, someone created a scam asset called "GLBSE"
tbcoin: delisted OK, SEC FUD, but freeze his account?
dub: it stems from goat holding an asset called GLBSE that was initailly a scam that nefario took over and said he would make legitimate but then didnt and now wants back for some reason
Diablo-D3: BTC-Mining: yeah, ut that has nothing to do with it
Diablo-D3: or rather, even if nefario acted out of revenge, he STILL did it
dub: bascially nefario is retarded and glbse.com is a scam
BTC-Mining: Nefario said he would honor those shares even if the scammer ran away with this.
Diablo-D3: because glbse shareholders will rape him in both holes
BTC-Mining: So Chaang understood it as owning GLBSE and decided to buy shares.
Diablo-D3: that doesnt tie into why nefario closed goat's assets
tbcoin: I withdraw all my funds at the moment to removal TYGRR
Diablo-D3: nefario did it because goat made a big stink about it
Diablo-D3: tbcoin: a lot of assets are leaving because of what nefario did to goat and dmc
BTC-Mining: Now Nefario wanted to pay back for the shares but Chaan was unhappy about that and not owning a good part of GLBSE and wanted more for the shares than their IPO price if I recall right.
BTC-Mining: Chaang was demanding Nefario to be tagged as a scammer and was uncooperative.
Diablo-D3: BTC-Mining: yeah, but the irony now is, nefario might get that tag
BTC-Mining: Nefario decides to kick all Chaang's assets off of GLBSE.
BTC-Mining: Should have at least allowed some delays for Chaang to prepare.
tbcoin: business in bitcoin are full of BS...
Diablo-D3: Smoovious: yes, but nefario still participated in that pissing contest
Diablo-D3: and has destroyed glbse in the process
tbcoin: then, in the magical case of pirate pay something someday, goat would take it or he still refuses to use the nefarious codes?
dub: the code scheme is broken, goat would be an idiot to entertain any notion of using the solution nefario provided
dub: yes, it is. Look at Joel's posts for explanation
dub: insecure, unverifiable, relies on goat and nefario trusting each other which they obviously dont
tbcoin: Smoovious: he must fulfill their holders, unless deemed in breach of contract after leaving glbse
BTC-Mining: Being on GLBSE at all requires trust in Nefario... Why would GLBSE platform hold any more trust than the codes
dub: its simpler than that, as soon as there is a dispute (e.g. someone tries to claim twice) everyone is fucked
dub: because goat cannot trust nefario to have not maliciously issued teh same code twice, and nefario cannot trust goat to have invented the double claim
tbcoin: the sending of the code was done wrong by Nefario, that's for sure
BTC-Mining: Well why doesn't he just regenerate the codes and send them encoded?
tbcoin: BTC-Mining: is an option, now that reach an agreement ...
tbcoin: is a fight, like many things other things around here, lengthen and lengthen until people forget and give up all for lost.
BTC-Mining: That or implement a system for people to submit a BTC adress Nefario can then give to Chaang.
mircea_popescu: BTC-Mining he should put a system in where ppl can load their gpg signatures
mircea_popescu: this would be incidentally rebuilding mpex, but hey. for a good cause...
mircea_popescu: nobody can double claim, nefario can prove all the claims legitimate and goat can prove all the claims legitimate
mircea_popescu: but the entire thing is a good exercise of "how would bitcoin look if nefario was satoshi"
dub: Smoovious: laywers would argue that by doing anything with the list goat is admitting _some_ liability for it
dub: lawyers might argue that as well
mircea_popescu: oh, the "try it out see if it fits" solution that idiot proposed on the forum is the worst of them all.
dub: liability for nefarios unilateral decision to cause the problem?
dub: are you, perhaps, chinese?
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 1100 @ 0.00045505 = 0.5006 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 150 @ 0.0033994 = 0.5099 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 2 @ 0.0033994 = 0.0068 BTC [-]
dub: alternative to timestamping tits, stick sharpie in pooper
assbot: [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 20 @ 0.0033994 = 0.068 BTC [-]
novusordo: dub: don't talk about /b/ outside of /b/, newfag
novusordo: i was not implying he was homosexual.
kakobrekla: o, you can find a cute ass or two there
dub: novusordo: there are no rules, you're teh newfag
dub: but mircea_popescu is right, im an exfag
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 400 @ 0.00045504 = 0.182 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 7056 @ 0.00045504 = 3.2108 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15000 @ 0.00036201 = 5.4302 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39400 @ 0.00036134 = 14.2368 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 2 @ 0.10999979 = 0.22 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 3 @ 0.1099998 = 0.33 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35500 @ 0.00036251 = 12.8691 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BTC-MINING] 1 @ 0.959033 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BTC-MINING] 5 @ 0.96 = 4.8 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 35 @ 0.003301 = 0.1155 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 315 @ 0.0033 = 1.0395 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 1004 @ 0.00045487 = 0.4567 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 5296 @ 0.00045487 = 2.409 BTC [-]
Chaang-Noi: what maged said about him being a scammer?
Chaang-Noi: its silly i cant use option 1 or option 2 until i have a new exchange
mircea_popescu: i like how maged got all excited over the tech part :D
Chaang-Noi: next maged will come after me for not doing anthing
mircea_popescu: but anyway, how many actual shareholders do you expect ? a hundred or so ?
Chaang-Noi: is maged saying made a new type of coin?
Chaang-Noi: tygrr-[ had a value of like 40,000 btc
Chaang-Noi: i dont code and maged can tell me to do so
Chaang-Noi: im sure the shareholders can make something forme
Chaang-Noi: that is if they accept tghe code system
Chaang-Noi: if i were them id tell nefario to fuck off
Diablo-D3: Chaang-Noi: maged is still thinking about giving nefario a scammer tag and setup a url filter to label all glbse links as scams
mircea_popescu: Chaang-Noi the solution is relatively easy for shareholders, they just import key to wallet and sign a message with the new addy
Chaang-Noi: that means that all my links to assets will be scams?
mircea_popescu: it is a little complex for you tho as it will require custom coding
Chaang-Noi: maged was lied to by nefario so maged im sure is pissed
Chaang-Noi: but nefario im pretty sure will be protected
mircea_popescu: you think theymos values his < 5k investment that highly ?
Diablo-D3: theymos is selling his glbse shares
Chaang-Noi: no where in my contract does it say i have to operate an exchange...
mircea_popescu: well ya but there's not that many shares left you know
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 27 @ 0.007 = 0.189 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 30 @ 0.00719999 = 0.216 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 4 @ 0.00743803 = 0.0298 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 1 @ 0.00749998 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 2 @ 0.00870863 = 0.0174 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 2 @ 0.00916005 = 0.0183 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 1 @ 0.00975394 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 1 @ 0.009788 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 4 @ 0.00979627 = 0.0392 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 192 @ 0.01 = 1.92 BTC [+]
Bugpowder: theymos is a little late on the share sale
mircea_popescu: by monday people are "hey, are you selling cause of nefario ?"
pigeons: usagi did you ever explain what gives you the right to close .B before making sure everyone who trusted you with .A gets their coins back?
mircea_popescu: if A doesn't get full capital back after he closes B he's getting -'d to hell.
mircea_popescu: might as well find a different mythological creature to be.
assbot: [GLBSE] [BFLS.RIG] 2 @ 0.799001 = 1.598 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BFLS.RIG] 1 @ 0.784 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24040 @ 0.00036228 = 8.7092 BTC [-]
pigeons: usagi: i'm serious i can't read every line of the channel and the forum. can you answer?
Bugpowder: usagi, what happens to NYAN.A if its assets go bad and B has already been refunded
pigeons: so NYAB.B is not collateral for NYAN.A?
Bugpowder: My concern with NYAN.A is sufficient that I sold out of B.MPCP.B at 5% below par today
pigeons: usagi: so you are getting rid of the collateral for NYAN.A?
pigeons: you will sign something with the key to an address that holds enough collateral to repay NYAN.A?
rdponticelli: I would like to own some asicminer, or some moore outside of glbse
mircea_popescu: rdponticelli i think the asicminer ppl do private booking tho neh ?
assbot: [GLBSE] [HYDRO.BONDS] 1 @ 1.33 BTC [-]
dub: PROTIP: GLBSE is in th process fo blowing up and closing
pigeons: well just because the other funds you ran went out of business doesn't mean i don't trust you that NYAN.A is in zero danger, but the agreement was that NYAN.B could be sold and given to .A investors to ensure that?
Bugpowder: Yeah.. that is the other reason I got out of the B tranche. GLBSE could be gone by Nov 1st.
assbot: [GLBSE] [YABMC] 1 @ 0.07479999 BTC [-]
Bugpowder: time to make a bets of bitcoin bet
mircea_popescu: Bugpowder what's the connection between .b and glbbq ?
Chaaang-Noi: if nefario has the scammer tag it will hurt glbse im sure
Bugpowder: uhh an who knows what Patrick is exposed to
pigeons: but you need to close .A first
mircea_popescu: patrick is mostly exposed to his paycheck, which is why he gets the trust
pigeons: yes but how is that not screwing over .A?
mircea_popescu: i have no doubt he made massive losses, but i'm pretty sure he limited his investments to what he can actually cover, unlike pretty much everyone else.
Bugpowder: gotta stop trading on 2 cups of coffee and no breakfast
mircea_popescu: obviously this is speculation. but the guy is actually licensed to do finance
pigeons: but .A was collateralized by .B and now is "trust me"
assbot: [GLBSE] [HYDRO.BONDS] 3 @ 1.32599 = 3.978 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [HYDRO.BONDS] 1 @ 1.32589 BTC [-]
pigeons: ok, sounds like .A is a worse deal than it was earlier for sure now
pigeons: so what if something on NYAN.A goes bad?
assbot: [GLBSE:NYAN.A] [Bid: 0.8104] [Ask: 0.98] [Spread: 0.1696] [Last: 0.99] [24hVol: ] [7dAvg: 0.98559992]
pigeons: but .C is the one with the OBSI.HRPT?
pigeons: well surely not the "low risk only one"
assbot: [GLBSE:CPA] [Bid: 0.016] [Ask: 0.02999999] [Spread: 0.01399999] [Last: 0.015] [24hVol: 1.69248001] [7dAvg: 0.03625638]
pigeons: its fine cause you can always use NYAN.B to cover it. except when ther is no .B to cover it
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 2 @ 0.58000005 = 1.16 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 1 @ 0.58000004 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 1 @ 0.58 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 1 @ 0.57 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 1 @ 0.5602 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 1 @ 0.56000002 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 6 @ 0.56 = 3.36 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 8 @ 0.556 = 4.448 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 2 @ 0.5511 = 1.1022 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 4 @ 0.5508 = 2.2032 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 1 @ 0.5502 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 1 @ 0.55 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 10 @ 0.55 = 5.5 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 2 @ 0.55 = 1.1 BTC [-]
pigeons: does cpa sign an address that has the funds to back it?
Chaaang-Noi: usagi pigeons has a good point, if this blows up in yourface you will be accused of fraud
assbot: [GLBSE] [YABMC] 1 @ 0.0733 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [YABMC] 2 @ 0.07320004 = 0.1464 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [YABMC] 6 @ 0.07320002 = 0.4392 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [YABMC] 2 @ 0.07315 = 0.1463 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [YABMC] 1 @ 0.07315 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [YABMC] 4 @ 0.07312 = 0.2925 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [YABMC] 18 @ 0.0731 = 1.3158 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [YABMC] 16 @ 0.0708 = 1.1328 BTC [-]
Chaaang-Noi: does anyone think i should try to get my listing fees recovered since i am no longer listed and i did not violate the TOS?
pigeons: no you do not do what you say, you say you will back .A with .B, except when you change your mind
pigeons: it does not explain why you can buy .b without moving that to .A or buying back .A
pigeons: ok well i prefered ".A won't default cause you can use .B to cover" over "trust me"
pigeons: i'm not a shareholder anymore, i sold the moment i saw you buy "High risk passthrough" shares for a "low risk insured investments only" fund
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 6 @ 0.1099998 = 0.66 BTC [+]
pigeons: are the holdings of .A public?
dub: its all low risk DMC
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 30 @ 0.11 = 3.3 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2718 @ 0.00036251 = 0.9853 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [THUNDERCM.MIF.SHARES] 5 @ 0.483 = 2.415 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29492 @ 0.00036527 = 10.7725 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13570 @ 0.0003653 = 4.9571 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41200 @ 0.00036619 = 15.087 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31800 @ 0.00036661 = 11.6582 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9900 @ 0.00036671 = 3.6304 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47500 @ 0.00036675 = 17.4206 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50126 @ 0.0003671 = 18.4013 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48727 @ 0.00036754 = 17.9091 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49200 @ 0.00036757 = 18.0844 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39000 @ 0.00036801 = 14.3524 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58516 @ 0.00036852 = 21.5643 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48100 @ 0.00036869 = 17.734 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39100 @ 0.0003692 = 14.4357 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35237 @ 0.00036962 = 13.0243 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17032 @ 0.00037006 = 6.3029 BTC [+]
BTC-Mining: The transparency and safety is in BTC-BOND
pigeons: HRPT does not fit the risk profile for me for .A i would rather they were sold and the btc held until appropriate assets could be found
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15000 @ 0.00037006 = 5.5509 BTC [+]
dub: 'I will give you the benefit of the doubt but you are either an idiot or a scammer'
Chaang-Noi: I will give you the benefit of the doubt and assume this was just a bad decision on your part. But several people have already told me privately that they believe you are conspiring with Nefario to appear to pressure him into an agreement that we all know Goat won't accept to shift the blame to Goat. I hope that's not true and that this was just an honest lapse in judgment.
assbot: [GLBSE] [BMF] 1 @ 0.46999999 BTC [+]
Chaang-Noi: anyone who has read that thread knows what you said. you vs everyone but mages, lol
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1000 @ 0.0003603 = 0.3603 BTC [-]
femtotube: Chaang-Noi: it's really hard to trust any shares on any exchange now days.
Eisenhower34: true, its hard to trust anybody, not onlyexchanges...
Chaang-Noi: no more drama from me mp on the glbse delisting
Eisenhower34: at the moment its much easier to list those who didnt default than those who did...
assbot: [GLBSE] [SILVER] 1 @ 0.00999998 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [SILVER] 1 @ 0.00999999 BTC [+]
Eisenhower34: starting with pirate / matthew / rusty / obsi / BDT / ... the list seems endless
Eisenhower34: you only have to go through the lending section and find "scammers"
rg: [07:39] <Eisenhower34> at the moment its much easier to list those who didnt default than those who did...
Chaang-Noi: i did not default... but was delsited haha
rg: Chaang-Noi hacked my wallet and stole my BC
Chaang-Noi: i cant be the only person who did not default can id?
farfi: tumbleweed then...
rg: Chaang-Noi: won't you default if pirate never pays?
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 1947 @ 0.00045474 = 0.8854 BTC [+]
Chaang-Noi: i paid my insured bonds already, i dont understand your question
rg: well all your money was with pirate
rg: if pirate doesnt give it back
rg: how many ltc do yuo have
rg: did you get to 100k yet?
Chaang-Noi: check the address you sent to yesterday
Chaang-Noi: fuck im going to buy more at market right now
rg: why not sell now for a healthy profit
rg: actually i guess it wouldnt be too healthy
rg: i sold to you at 0.006 before
Chaang-Noi: my 100k plus ltc are more or less free
gribble: nefario was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 week, 1 day, 16 hours, 12 minutes, and 41 seconds ago: <nefario> Those assets are not listed or traded anymore
farfi: I guess with all Pirate and goat related stuff gone... has no reason to come here...
femtotube: I am no anti* blah. If one fucked up and other did too, then lets untangle the cluster-fuck and move on.
femtotube: looks like those forum mods have no balls to ask the proper questions :)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10328 @ 0.0003603 = 3.7212 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10100 @ 0.00036019 = 3.6379 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30372 @ 0.00036003 = 10.9348 BTC [-]
femtotube: political correctness is the main cause for most of the fuck ups
Chaang-Noi: i was not being politicaly correct haha
assbot: [GLBSE] [LTC-MINING] 3 @ 0.43 = 1.29 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [LTC-MINING] 2 @ 0.4152 = 0.8304 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [LTC-MINING] 6 @ 0.4152 = 2.4912 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [LTC-MINING] 11 @ 0.415 = 4.565 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [LTC-MINING] 20 @ 0.4101 = 8.202 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [LTC-MINING] 11 @ 0.41 = 4.51 BTC [-]
farfi: Chaang-Noi- of course not
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 1 @ 0.54121001 BTC [-]
farfi: Have some myself... waiting patiently...
farfi: VERY patiently then :)
Chaang-Noi: it will be nice if nefario does take liability for things going wrong
rg: and people wonder why i dont have aphone
assbot: [GLBSE] [NYAN.B] 1 @ 0.34961279 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [NYAN.B] 1 @ 0.41785599 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [NYAN.B] 1 @ 0.45 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 1 @ 0.54121 BTC [-]
Chaang-Noi: i have a phone,. but i only use it as a portable internet connection
assbot: [GLBSE] [NYAN.B] 1 @ 0.635 BTC [+]
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assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 6 @ 0.5412 = 3.2472 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 5 @ 0.54120001 = 2.706 BTC [+]
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assbot: [GLBSE] [FPGAMINING] 1 @ 0.336 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [FPGAMINING] 4 @ 0.2502 = 1.0008 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [FPGAMINING] 1 @ 0.25 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 9 @ 0.54999999 = 4.95 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 9 @ 0.55 = 4.95 BTC [+]
femtotube: ok, one dead cat did a tiny bounce :)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35228 @ 0.00036003 = 12.6831 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14700 @ 0.0003599 = 5.2905 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8037 @ 0.00035987 = 2.8923 BTC [-]
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assbot: [GLBSE] [RAREEARTH] 5 @ 0.01 = 0.05 BTC [+]
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assbot: [GLBSE] [YABMC] 8 @ 0.066 = 0.528 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [YABMC] 2 @ 0.06512 = 0.1302 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [YABMC] 3 @ 0.065 = 0.195 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 5966 @ 0.00045478 = 2.7132 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 50 @ 0.00339 = 0.1695 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BITBOND] 1 @ 0.24 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BITBOND] 1 @ 0.23 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BITBOND] 1 @ 0.23 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 11 @ 0.5599 = 6.1589 BTC [+]
Chaang-Noi: the reatrds took the lack of understanding a mining bond to the delisting
Chaang-Noi: saying nefario delisted cuz i did not mine when i had a mining bond!
assbot: [GLBSE] [BITBOND] 1 @ 0.22000001 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BITBOND] 1 @ 0.22 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15163 @ 0.00035987 = 5.4567 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24140 @ 0.00035983 = 8.6863 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BFLS] 1 @ 0.60500002 BTC [-]
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assbot: [GLBSE] [BFLS] 5 @ 0.605 = 3.025 BTC [-]
Chaang-Noi: only action is people selling glbse shares....
assbot: [GLBSE] [BFLS.RIG] 1 @ 0.65 BTC [-]
imsaguy2: "payback is to build trust for the future"
imsaguy2: so basically, anyone doing any business, legit or not, can be labelled a scammer
DeaDTerra: any angry screaming crowd I have to take care of yet?
DeaDTerra: oki, I have yet to get any death threats so that's a plus. I have had some angry people, but they were very civilized about their anger. I am impressed
assbot: [GLBSE] [BMMO] 2 @ 0.04499838 = 0.09 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BMMO] 62 @ 0.04499839 = 2.7899 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BMMO] 1 @ 0.0449984 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BMMO] 50 @ 0.04499866 = 2.2499 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BMMO] 20 @ 0.044999 = 0.9 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BMMO] 170 @ 0.045 = 7.65 BTC [+]
rdponticelli: I foresee everybody labeled as scammer by default...
farfi: guilty until proven innocent
farfi: just like the real world
DeaDTerra: You are a scammer, why? because you can't prove that you aren't. Well I haven't scammed anyone yet? doesn't matter you can't prove that you won't
imsaguy2: and if you pay everyone back, by definition, that isn't a ponzi
imsaguy2: but I'll just shut up and go back to my corner
DeaDTerra: I never guaranteed anything. I actually stated the only thing I guarantee is that I will try my best.
DeaDTerra: But they will probably get me a scam tag some how anyways.
OneEyed: I don't think why Chaang-Noi would be labelled a scammer for not investing into mining equipment. I've just posted in the thread asking how it would make a difference.
rdponticelli: Funnier thing is that I bet most people even made a profit if you count it in fiat
DeaDTerra: The idea is if he doesn't invest into mining then he might not be able to pay it back hence he's a scamer.
DeaDTerra: i can see how people have thought but it's not logical. yet again people are jumping to conclusions
rdponticelli: You have to be aware that you're kind of shorting BTC when you invest
OneEyed: rdponticelli is the only one converting to FIAT when it's time to compute a profit/loss :)
OneEyed: rdponticelli: usagi is the only one converting to FIAT when it's time to compute a profit/loss :)
rdponticelli: But I'm saying that if you want your btc so much, keep them
kakobrekla: and if you dont want them, send over here.
rdponticelli: If you buy equipment, you're investing in the security of the network, but you may lost profitability in pure BTC
OneEyed: How can people invest in perpetual (i.e. no buyback date!) fixed mining bonds?
OneEyed: This reminds be of this "mining turds" thread, which was right to the point
assbot: [GLBSE] [SILVER] 15 @ 0.00999999 = 0.15 BTC [+]
rdponticelli: There's plenty of people who just throw coins at things...
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39933 @ 0.00035983 = 14.3691 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29567 @ 0.00035978 = 10.6376 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 42 @ 0.00339 = 0.1424 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 1128 @ 0.0033994 = 3.8345 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 1018 @ 0.0033995 = 3.4607 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 2212 @ 0.0034 = 7.5208 BTC [+]
Chaang-Noi: DeaDTerra you just called me a scammer?
OneEyed: Chaang-Noi: he didn't, he just explained how people seem to see it
DeaDTerra: I just said that I understand how they are thinking but the logic is totally incorrect
DeaDTerra: Instead of backing the bonds with hardware you are backing it with private capital that doesn't make you a scammer.
OneEyed: People should learn to do some basic mathematical infinite sums or integration before investing in such a "perpetual" bond
DeaDTerra: not paying makes you a scammer. But I mean GIGAVPS could just say fuck it I am not paying even though he has hardware, so hardware does not mean securer or better backing.
OneEyed: (or count on finding gullible people to buy the bonds)
Chaang-Noi: deadt was about the oly guy i trusted with my btc for a while
DeaDTerra: I am not leaving, just stepping down for a while ^^ I need to finish school and I need to see how the market develops. I will keep running my own projects behind the scene ;) so don't worry about me
DeaDTerra: thanks m8, same to you. I hope Nefario changes his mind and relists your assets again.
imsaguy2: <rdponticelli> If you buy equipment.. but you may lost profitability in pure BTC << True, but you're also diversifying a bit so taht if the exchange rate starts going down, you'll still have a net gain in USD because of the mining income
imsaguy2: its essentially a diversification
imsaguy2: right now it isn't obvious because diff and price are going up
imsaguy2: if/when there's a time it comes crashing down again (ala last June), they'll be glad its there
Chaang-Noi: if nefario delisted me cuz mining bonds oh lol
rdponticelli: So, if somebody just want their coins, he must held them himself
rdponticelli: If you're putting them somewhere, anywhere, you're risking, and in a way you're shorting
rdponticelli: But is important to notice too that investing in hardware, and even in mining bond, is investing in the security of the network
imsaguy2: there's a very rudimentary definition
rdponticelli: So what you loose on nominal terms in pure btc, you gain on the relative value between btc and other commodities
assbot: [GLBSE] [BITBOND] 2 @ 0.21530001 = 0.4306 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BITBOND] 5 @ 0.2153 = 1.0765 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BITBOND] 23 @ 0.2153 = 4.9519 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BITBOND] 9 @ 0.2152 = 1.9368 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BITBOND] 50 @ 0.215 = 10.75 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: so in case anyone cares : i've switched my blog to english now.
Azelphur: it still has that scary dude in the header
mircea_popescu: rdponticelli coming up next, i'ma weigh on mpex listing criteria.
Chaang-Noi: anyone think i will get banned for "scamming" from the forum soon?
Chaang-Noi: i was told i would get banned if i did not do someht maged asked
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9429 @ 0.00035978 = 3.3924 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52271 @ 0.00035974 = 18.804 BTC [-]
imsaguy2: how are they going to do that?
Chaang-Noi: Sorry to bring you into this, but I have to.
Chaang-Noi: Within the next 48 hours, please CC Maged@lordaeron.org and theymos@mm.st in an email to Nefario that contains the Bitcoin address you want him to send to. GPG sign it if you have a recognized GPG key.
Chaang-Noi: Failure to do so will result in you being marked as a scammer and possibly even banned for the following reasons:
Chaang-Noi: 1) Publicly lying about having sent Nefario a Bitcoin address. This will be considered libel and ALL posts, made by anybody, referencing this specific lie will be DELETED to protect the forum from legal action.
Chaang-Noi: 2) Not attempting to uphold your contract with your investors in good faith.
Chaang-Noi: I've had it with these games, from BOTH Nefario and you.
Chaang-Noi: but the thing is... i did not play games or lie
Chaang-Noi: and them maged covered for nefario saying it was a misunderstanding
imsaguy2: so now they are claiming libel?
imsaguy2: but all the other slanders are ok?
Chaang-Noi: he then went on to say i was acting in bad faith after i send him the weeks emails
Chaang-Noi: theymos told me that PM are not private messages but personallal messages
Chaang-Noi: if maged wanted it to be private he would have sent via email
Chaang-Noi: smoovious... no one cares what you think... you are a retard for not understandig what a bond is
rdponticelli: lol, getting your ass banned could be the next step...
Chaang-Noi: i was going to get banned if i did not do what maged demanded
assbot: [GLBSE] [BIT.INC] 1 @ 0.1 BTC [+]
Azelphur: GLBSE/MPEx are prolly gonna die anyway, because all the US assets are unable to follow SEC regulations
Azelphur: so at some point in the future all the US assets will have to delist
imsaguy2: Azelphur, even if not illegal, they won't have the funds to defend themselves
Chaang-Noi: im glad im out, but im not glad i cant pay people back
Chaang-Noi: you cant even understand how a mining bond works...
Chaang-Noi: i know a lot of people do not like me, and many more even hate me, but really if you cant understand how a mining bond works, this is not the palce for you.
Chaang-Noi: yes nefario and glbse did exactly what i wanted them to do, im the pupet master...
jcpham: opportunistic troll here
jcpham: read more goddamn goat text
Chaang-Noi: smoovious is just jelly, has no btc, so calls me scammer cuz cant understand contract...
MrTiggr: yu never fail to provide, goat
MrTiggr: kiss and make up you two, we know yu dont mean it
jcpham: my hat comes off and on with ease
MrTiggr: stop feeding the trolls :P
Chaang-Noi: its been going on for months and he just now is rejecting them
Chaang-Noi: smoo is the only toy i can play with :9
MrTiggr: damn .. whenever i am hungry i just know to look for goat or smoo on my graohs these days :P
Chaang-Noi: tiggr, odds on my getting banned in the next few days on the forum?
MrTiggr: go roll a spliff and go watch the blockchain spend for a while at ISeeCoins.org
Chaang-Noi: maged said i would be banned in 48 hours...
jcpham: so make another account?
jcpham: because you seem to care about being banned
Chaang-Noi: i gave 50 btc to the forum as a donoation
MrTiggr: turn "autolayout" on at iseecoins for maximum psychadelic effect :P
Chaang-Noi: but if they do ban me, i wont come back
gribble: Error: "bc,goatbanestimate" is not a valid command.
MrTiggr: <Chaang-Noi> cuz i love btc << WORD to that
MrTiggr: thats why we're here isnt it
Chaang-Noi: will they abuse power even more and snuff me?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BVPS] 7090 @ 0.00341 = 24.1769 BTC [-]
MrTiggr: Smoovious: hrmmm ... mebbe try Ctrl-+
MrTiggr: i like to watch the little dots fire out to a satoshifish as they are spent on 1dice*
MrTiggr: notice ive added a "scrfeenshot" button Smoovious
MrTiggr: so you can save cool shit that hapens :D
OneEyed: Fuck me, I hadn't seen NYAN.B closing announce. I've missed yesterday's movie of the day
MrTiggr: also goto iseecoins.org/Wot.html
MrTiggr: thats a graph of the otc Web Of Trust ratings system
MrTiggr: or gotot the link on the top bar of the main site
MrTiggr: ViewGraphs i think i called it
OneEyed: "If implemented, I would not allow investors to cherry-pick assets from the fund but would instead send them a fair mix of around 5 assets, fairly weighted considering the NAV of NYAN.B and the valuation of the securities which the investors have chosen in motion 155."
OneEyed: So NYAN.B would use its very low NAV, while the assets exchanged for will get the fantasy value if chosen in motion 155?
OneEyed: (I should read the thread, that may be in it already)
kakobrekla: all i see is black MrTiggr, opera and chrome
Chaang-Noi: why is the green dot pirateat40???????????
chmod755: [GLBSE] [GOATSONABOAT] 2380 @ 0.001 = 2.38 BTC [-]
MrTiggr: its fully serchable and has cool metrics
Chaang-Noi: if i want to find me what do i search?
MrTiggr: then full details come up on left panel
MrTiggr: just search your otc username
MrTiggr: Smoovious: i have that here on desktop :P
Chaang-Noi: why does it thin chaang-noi is 'davux'
imsaguy2: its missing many of recent ratings
MrTiggr: which is stil 2600 nodes and 14K edges
MrTiggr: ive been busy on iseecoins.org
Chaang-Noi: why am i not o it? cuz i never used otc?
MrTiggr: takes me about 45 mins to build a new on
MrTiggr: yes if you arent rated on otc you wont be there, Chaang-Noi
MrTiggr: aight ..BRB ... off to build the latest WoT Graph
assbot: [GLBSE] [BITBOND] 1 @ 0.21 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BITBOND] 1 @ 0.2 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BMF] 2 @ 0.45999999 = 0.92 BTC [+]
imsaguy2: <Chaang-Noi> off for sex << generally those that say that, aren't getting it
jcpham: i got some last night like a boss
jcpham: i feel frisky today too
imsaguy2: perhaps, but did you leave irc claiming you're about to get some?
jcpham: no i got the order all wrong
jcpham: i had the sex first then claimed to have
imsaguy2: I thought goat was married and had a kid?
imsaguy2: please don't tell me he pulled a jesus
jcpham: is that like a donkey punch?
PsychoticBoy: <imsaguy2> <Chaang-Noi> off for sex << generally those that say that, aren't getting it<< Or paying for it ;)
assbot: [GLBSE] [BDK.BND] 1 @ 0.03252001 BTC [-]
OneEyed: PsychoticBoy: that's not like he is in a country where paying for sex is easy and well accepted… oh, wait
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7388 @ 0.00035974 = 2.6578 BTC [-]
PsychoticBoy: He had a mining bond named Tygrr-bond.a , and did not have any mining hardware !!!
OneEyed: Smoovious: you're thinking about a ponzi over a ponzi? That's a possibility on the table since day 1, and bitcoinmax is also suspected to have done that
OneEyed: PsychoticBoy: well, when you invest in a fund indexed on Euros, an Euro fund, then you have no guarantee that your money is kept in Euros, that's just a reference value
PsychoticBoy: but still, you cant issue a mining bond when you dont own hardware, its ethical not correct, so FRAUD
PsychoticBoy: So be saying this, I agree Goat should get a SCAMMER tag and he should never get the chance to issue shares of his crap on ANY exchange
OneEyed: "Mining bond" doesn't mean you'll mine yourself. Or does it? Or can you invest in a mining operation? Directly? Also indirectly? What is acceptable and what is not? How does that make even a tiny difference for the investors? This is a bond, not a share, you don't own the hardware assets in any way
OneEyed: Smoovious: so, please, tell me: what would it change *for you* as an investor?
OneEyed: He sold the promised of a return corresponding to a well known value
PsychoticBoy: he initially said he hard the hardware to back it up
OneEyed: PsychoticBoy: doesn't he? I thought he told he was the majority investor or owner of a massive mining operation?
PsychoticBoy: he owns maybe 1 single and some gpu but my little brother also got that ;)
OneEyed: Seriously, I think that investors are to blame here. Especially considering this is Goat, whose morality doesn't appear to be that high :)
OneEyed: Nowhere in the contract is what will be done with the money described. What did you think? That he bought hardware, or that he invested into other mining operations?
OneEyed: The two alternatives are really different, because in one case there are assets (that the bond owners couldn't claim anyway), and in the second case there are none
PsychoticBoy: goat major investor in SR, lol, I am just yapping out my ass now
PsychoticBoy: I personally got more than 1.5k btc in glbse assets so plz let glbse live
OneEyed: So, PsychoticBoy and Smoovious: if you invest dollars into a Euro fund, do you expect the dollars to be converted in Euros and be kept as bills? Or do you expect to get dividends based on the fluctuation of the EUR/USD?
OneEyed: Smoovious: there are some funds where you invest dollars and get equivalent returns of if you had longed Euros
OneEyed: Smoovious: people could also invest in mining operations instead of going through Goat if you consider doing it directly
OneEyed: Was it supposed to be a pass-through or a hardware owner? I still can't understand what investors expected. One or the other or any of them or both.
gribble: Best bid: 12.714, Best ask: 12.81, Bid-ask spread: 0.09600, Last trade: 12.81, 24 hour volume: 49780, 24 hour low: 12.55, 24 hour high: 12.8999
OneEyed: Smoovious: well, Goat operation is, in some sorts, a declared Ponzi, which can work if the reference dividend (1MH/s mining) falls quick enough
PsychoticBoy: smoovious made the whole point clear: now if he had opened up the bond, named it something other than 'mining' related... that it was a personal loan, and that he would repay the bonds, at a rate determined by difficulty and 1 MH, etc etc etc... that would have been straight up... and we could invest or not, honestly... but no
OneEyed: (when I say "work", I mean "work for him", because perpetual also means that he has to pay forever if he doesn't buyback)
OneEyed: With only one benefitor :)
OneEyed: But even if it had been a real mining operation, it would have been the same for the investors.
OneEyed: They would have gained or lost exactly the same amount of money.
OneEyed: The fact that you now *know* that he didn't buy hardware should not change anything of the perception you have of the contract and the expected returns, since they are equivalent.
PsychoticBoy: I assumed it earlier, I know it for about 3 weeks
OneEyed: That was my only point. If he had invested into a mining operation, then the investors would not have lost or gained one satoshi. So I don't see why investors are complaining.
OneEyed: Smoovious: sure, I don't know anything about their dispute. Except that I've seen that Nefario did not explain why he did this, and I lost the trust I had in GLBSE at this time, since I don't know if the same kind of dispute could happen with other asset owners or not.
OneEyed: So even if Goat is at fault, which may be totally the case, Nefario also is.
OneEyed: Smoovious: but why do you think the risk is heavier? Did he fail to pay?
assbot: [GLBSE] [MOORE] 1 @ 0.5001 BTC [+]
OneEyed: Smoovious: did he not pay and say "sorry guys, I'm broke and I didn't invest your money"? *That* would be a scam, and I would be 100% on your side. But here, now that people know that he doesn't have mining hardware, he cannot even say "My hardware broke, sorry, no returns until I get a replacement"
femtotube: "Smoovious | and come on... I can't be the only one who saw how obvious..." Every one with a half a brain must have understood it but you see, lots of pole have coin in his crap so...
OneEyed: So unless he intends to run, I see that more as a guarantee. I would prefer to invest into a guaranteed 1MH/s equivalent rather than some hardware whose returns would be distributed to me capped at 1MH/s equivalent.
femtotube: and saved probably most investors coin
OneEyed: Smoovious: I fault him for the way he handled it as well.
OneEyed: Smoovious: he acts not only as an exchange but also as a broker. The brokering part cannot be stopped this way, even if the exchange delists (by freezing for example) the asset.
OneEyed: And handling the brokering part to Goat this way is wrong: not only Nefario didn't use a secure way of identifying the claims, prevent double claims and so on, but also he forces people to go to Goat, while some of them had maybe invested in Goat assets only because GLBSE acted as a middle man
OneEyed: Smoovious: let's agree to disagree here, I just read the contract, I don't see a fraud, but that is my interpretation. People should learn to read contracts too before investing.
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 4282 @ 0.00045478 = 1.9474 BTC [+]
OneEyed: Smoovious: he has *no way* to contact them, does he?
OneEyed: Smoovious: not everyone uses bitcointalk
femtotube: what do you guy do withe those GLBSE codes? Do I need to send it to nefario to get my coin back?
OneEyed: Smoovious: I used bitcoins before I joined bitcointalk or the bitcoin channels on IRC. I could have used GLBSE without joining them too (this is not the case as I happened to discover about GLBSE on the forum)
OneEyed: I don't have any share managed by Goat (nor any share at all at this time), so I can't see the message
OneEyed: Smoovious: how are bond holders supposed to contact Goat? By email?
OneEyed: (I haven't seen the message on the forum)
OneEyed: Thiis is *really* not what a broker should do…
OneEyed: Smoovious: it is obviously, as it is the sole owner of the shares attribution
PsychoticBoy: It is not compareble with the stock world you know it, its not nasdaq or AEX or some
OneEyed: PsychoticBoy: why not in this case? You even see coinbr starting as a broker for the MPEX exchange
OneEyed: The only difference I see is that in the real world, the company itself has the needed information to invite shareholders to general assemblies and such
PsychoticBoy: sure we all (early bitcoin adopters) got spoiled
mircea_popescu: <PsychoticBoy> I personally got more than 1.5k btc in glbse assets so plz let glbse live << doesn't seem likely at this point.
OneEyed: Smoovious: are you saying such a imprecise contract would have been refused?
mircea_popescu: maybe if someone half-competent took over management. which isn't likely given the sort of money it makes.
assbot: [GLBSE] [YABMC] 4 @ 0.07859999 = 0.3144 BTC [+]
PsychoticBoy: but I am slowly pulling some btc out, even if its at a loss
pigeons: capex is the most corrupt of all the SL exchanges
OneEyed: Smoovious: which is close to my previous point: the contract was imprecise, and did not require nor imply (IMO) that mining hardware would be acquired. Now, GLBSE should take its share of blame for allowing such vague contracts.
mircea_popescu: OneEyed do you think i should dig up the logs of where i was asking goat to put up pics of his imaginary righs ?
OneEyed: mircea_popescu: you belong to those thinking he has to own mining rigs to offer such a contract whose coupons are based on a fixed mining performance?
mircea_popescu: i belong to those who knew he doesn't and pretty much said so 6 months ago
mircea_popescu: thus are unsurprised now, just vaguely amused at forum "investor" idiocy.
PsychoticBoy: I know, I also asked goat back in may, but he only said: go ride a bike little boy, so at that point I really lhate goat
OneEyed: mircea_popescu: yes, I understand. But even knowing he doesn't own some, as long as the investors get exactly what they paid for, i.e. coupons indexed on PPS 1MH/s, I don't see as a violation of the contract itself. But I won't redo the discussion here :)
OneEyed: I really hope the coinbr/MPEX deal will make a better exchange system.
mircea_popescu: OneEyed its not a violation of the contract. it's a contract under false premises.
OneEyed: Working together, even if you have nothing to do to make it happen, just let it happen :)
mircea_popescu: jurov has been working at it for >3 months now i think
mircea_popescu: tho in truth there were maybe 8 or 9 people/teams that at some point started
mircea_popescu: but back to the contract : if i sell you a car when i own no car, even if later i acquire and deliver you a car i can still be charged for fraud.
mircea_popescu: that people in general don't bother is true, but it's still what it is.
mircea_popescu: obviously it's unclear how much of that does or should carry over into btc.
jurov: i'm working on it part time since mpex launched beta.. and going crazy from it ...
OneEyed: mircea_popescu: if I sell you a "temperature bond" whose dividends are indexed on what the average temperature is at 6:00 in Paris every day, would it be a fraud not to invest into hot air?
mircea_popescu: OneEyed depends if you sell me this bond and claim you will invest into hot air or not
mircea_popescu: if you claim that you're selling it on the basis of your vast holdings of hot air then yes it is.
OneEyed: mircea_popescu: I would use the same terms as Goat contract, but replace PPS 1MH/s by "average air temperature at 6:00 minus 20 degrees"
mircea_popescu: take a simpler example : if you write a bad check, whether you eventually cover it or not, you still break the law.
mircea_popescu: OneEyed the terms of goat's contract were, at all times relevant, "test".
OneEyed: mircea_popescu: if you refer to claims made outside of the contract, I have to agree with you, however, if you stick to the contract, I don't see he defrauded people.
OneEyed: mircea_popescu: is it really the case?
OneEyed: And people bought bonds???
mircea_popescu: forum "investors" and glbse "investing" are jokes, always were
OneEyed: Where does the contract I've read from then?
mircea_popescu: people never noticed before mostly cause i wasn't around to point it out.
OneEyed: mircea_popescu: don't act as if you were *the* messiah announcing what's true and what's not :)
mircea_popescu: my pr girl called the pirate thing a scam, at a time nobody else was, the list goes on and on. for better or worse, i r messiah.
OneEyed: I've read about Jesus bugs today
OneEyed: A bug which you have nailed down, but reappears three days later
OneEyed: Btw, I see in Usagi thread (NYAN.B closing) that the girl and others were "locally banned". Is that enforced by the moderators, or do you control yourself?
OneEyed: (it was funnier in my head read with a robotic voice)
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 252 @ 0.00045478 = 0.1146 BTC [+]
OneEyed: mircea_popescu: I hadn't read the whole thread, I just read your new local rules indeed :)
OneEyed: One thing I don't understand about usagi desire to close CPA: why doesn't he hand it over to someone else if he doesnt' want to manage it anymore?
OneEyed: I don't know, but he would probably know people trusting him to get a healthy asset and that he trusts to hand it over
OneEyed: Or does that mean that he doesn't know competent people, or that those people wouldn't touch CPA with a 10 foot pole?
mircea_popescu: it means there are very few competent people, and nobody is interested in a. taking over a blown asset ; b. doing anything on glbse
OneEyed: Smoovious: why would such a guy take a BTC loan with all the risks if brings?
OneEyed: Smoovious: why not invest in $? Or do you want to bring in people with € as well, through BTC?
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assbot: [GLBSE] [007] 1 @ 0.09 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [MU] 1 @ 0.18999999 BTC [-]
OneEyed: Is that new that LinkedIn is trying to be the new Twitter?
OneEyed: "Now you can follow thought leaders on LinkedIn - Barack Obama - Follow Barack"
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: Your -pr girl wasn't the only one calling pirate a scam. There were lots of other people. On the other hand, there's still no hard evidence that anyone has seen that it is. Not yet. The only thing going for the notion is time, but there are alternative explanations.
OneEyed: midnightmagic: according to your reasoning, we may never be able to call it a scam, if he continues to pretend he will pay later for centuries. Right?
OneEyed: midnightmagic: note the "may", as we may discover it is a scam by proving it is a scam if, for example, accounting books are found
OneEyed: midnightmagic: what I'm saying is that in the absence of proof that it is a scam and in the absence of proof that it isn't, given the current situation, it is most likely a scam
OneEyed: (it may not be a scam, but pirateat40 has not offered any evidence [not even soft evidence] that the bitcoins were invested in anything real)
midnightmagic: OneEyed: And no, given the balance of probabilities, "most likely" is too strong, even now.
OneEyed: midnightmagic: you are delusional :)
midnightmagic: OneEyed: Don't get me wrong. The balance is on the scam side.
OneEyed: midnightmagic: you have probably seen many signals that indicate that it may be a scam (people not getting money for the main one, without any explanation). Have you seen any signal that may indicate it is not a scam?
OneEyed: midnightmagic: judging if an investment is a scam is not the same thing as judging people, there is no "innocent until proven guilty", this is much more balanced. And right now, the balance clearly goes to the scam side, and by an enormous lot
midnightmagic: OneEyed: Yes. The explanations he's given, so far, do not suggest scam. Only the actions themselves suggest an alternate explanation--that being scam.
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OneEyed: midnightmagic: the explanations were not backed by any fact, right? Any.
midnightmagic: There are no actual facts about the movement of money either way.
OneEyed: midnightmagic: so turn it the other way: only vague declarations may suggest an alternate explanation -- that it is not a scam.
midnightmagic: But why explain when it could taint any legal defence he might be mounting?
midnightmagic: OneEyed: Yes, that is why I say the balance appears to be on "scam". However, in the absence of facts, it is foolish to draw firmer conclusions.
OneEyed: midnightmagic: once again, what makes you believe it can be a non-scam? Only his declarations? You're a trusting guy :)
midnightmagic: OneEyed: I just told you. I don't believe it's a non-scam. Why do you think this is a binary choice?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1341 @ 0.00035974 = 0.4824 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17096 @ 0.00035972 = 6.1498 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15800 @ 0.00035967 = 5.6828 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6581 @ 0.00035967 = 2.367 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26782 @ 0.00035964 = 9.6319 BTC [-]
OneEyed: midnightmagic: sure, it would be foolish to assume in any way it is not a scam, as not a single fact suggests that it is not one. Not one! Did we find out the accounts supposed to have been repayed for example? Or did we get an amount? Nothing, none, zip.
midnightmagic: Disclosure: I have zero dollars invested; I "own" zero pirate debt. I have zero to gain from his being, or not being, a scam, except in the circuitous rep-of-bitcoin sense.
midnightmagic: OneEyed: That is correct, it would be foolish to assume or conclude it is not a scam.
OneEyed: Smoovious: a lot of *facts* call for scam. He took the money. He met only selected people in Vegas when he told he would meet anyone willing to, and some people have testified that they asked him to meet. He pretended that Trendon Shavers was a DBA, and that it was the name of a guy who didn't even speak English.
midnightmagic: OneEyed: If I had concluded it was not a scam, I would have been on the "buying up pirate debt" train a long time ago.
midnightmagic: OneEyed: You should be more careful about the word "testified".
OneEyed: midnightmagic: pretended if you wish
OneEyed: Smoovious: sure, as I don't expect water to turn into wine on my table, if it does, well, so much the better
midnightmagic: OneEyed: I would be interested to know about the "name of a guy who didn't even speak English" part. Where did you read that?
OneEyed: midnightmagic: you could find it on the forum, I'm not sure I would be able to find it in a reasonable time, but you should look for yourself, try "Trendon Shavers" "DBA" "English" if the forum software lets you do that
midnightmagic: Smoovious: In reality, people should have been more cognisant of the risks: you can't "assume it was" as though you are certain. You just have to evaluate the risk and behave accordingly.
midnightmagic: Smoovious: For example, hedging against it in direct proportion to your personal certainty.
OneEyed: (I'm trying to get thr gith link)
OneEyed: midnightmagic: sure, people can be lying, maybe he didn't write that, you can never be certain if you haven't witnessed it yourself
midnightmagic: Smoovious: In my case, I chose not to participate at all, as sticking to my Grand Plan was more important to me.
midnightmagic: That, and the inertia of how difficult I'd made reconstructing my offline wallet.
assbot: [GLBSE] [MERGEDMINING] 1 @ 0.055 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [MMM] 2 @ 0.6 = 1.2 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [MMM] 3 @ 0.59 = 1.77 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [MMM] 1 @ 0.544 BTC [-]
OneEyed: Smoovious: you're realizing that posting this out of context and without any link makes it profundly ininteresting? Not that there is much discussion here.
midnightmagic: OneEyed: I found pirateat40 saying that in my logs. It was on #btcst, 2012, 08/21, around 14:55:38 pacific time.
OneEyed: Smoovious: so don't you know any alcoolic person?
OneEyed: Smoovious: this acknowledges it as a disease, that can be cured, but is not easy to. I guess if the impregnated person was at risk of harming students in any way, then other texts and sanctions would apply.
OneEyed: Smoovious: sure, as people who get depressed, they can just work this out themselves, no need for help, that's not a disease
femtotube: what the going price for 1 Mh/s now days?
OneEyed: I'm not saying that's a reasonable plan, 5 strikes also seem a lot to me. But you should try to put yourself into other people shoes before judging. Do you really think the teacher unions would battle to obtain such a text just for free, out of the blue, without any discussion, just because union teachers get drunk all the time maybe?
OneEyed: Smoovious: I've seen drunk people be very good teachers, at least in conferences :)
OneEyed: By "drunk" I mean "intoxicated", not "so drunk that they vomit all over the place"
OneEyed: (does drinking two glasses of wine make you intoxicated and unable to teach? - depend on the person I guess)
OneEyed: Here, it is written "under the influence of intoxicating liquor"
OneEyed: Smoovious: didn't mean you wouldn't have done a good job
OneEyed: Smoovious: of course, if it endangers yourself or other people, I can get that!
GamblingMan: What's up with the Satoshi Dice dividend yesterday?
GamblingMan: I bought some shares thinking it would pay a decent dividend...
OneEyed: Smoovious: but would for example a librarian endanger other people by having drunk a little too much, or should he be helped to avoid that it happens again?
GamblingMan: Looks like the dividend is less than 6% a year!
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 5200 @ 0.00045478 = 2.3649 BTC [+]
OneEyed: Smoovious: yeah, so if you are tired because of the chemo you're taking to fight your cancer, you're fucking with your employer, and he should get rid of you, right?
GamblingMan: I bought some because mircea_popescu claimed it was the highest paying asset on the GLBSE, but it looks like it is actually the lowest....
OneEyed: Because you're not doing your best
OneEyed: You could delay the chemo until your next vacation for example, it's not like you would die tomorrow. Why should it care that you're trying to buy 5 more years of life in 15 years?
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 3 @ 0.54140003 = 1.6242 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 1 @ 0.54140002 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 1 @ 0.5414 BTC [-]
OneEyed: Smoovious: you wrote "get my best". So I guess you never stay late with friends either, because you could be tired.
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 9 @ 0.5414 = 4.8726 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 1 @ 0.5412 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 28 @ 0.541 = 15.148 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 1 @ 0.54 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 2 @ 0.54 = 1.08 BTC [-]
OneEyed: Smoovious: nor eat fat food, they make you think slower because more blood is diverted to the stomach, and less to the brain (true fact)
midnightmagic: OneEyed: That's not a fact. Fats it turns out may be better for humans, including human brains.
OneEyed: midnightmagic: on the long term, yes, not while you're digesting
GamblingMan: So nobody wants to talk about assets in here?
midnightmagic: OneEyed: Also not true, as the insulin spike of even complex carbs is very very bad for you.
midnightmagic: GamblingMan: Didn't you read what the channel founder said? Free-for-all in here.. lol
OneEyed: midnightmagic: are you saying that eating fat food compared to a light meal does not divert blood for digestion?
GamblingMan: Lets free for all talk about Satoshi Dice and how the dividend yesterday sucked ass.
assbot: [GLBSE] [PUREMINING] 3 @ 0.10169999 = 0.3051 BTC [+]
GamblingMan: I want to hear someone's opinion on what happened.
assbot: [GLBSE] [PLATINUM] 3 @ 0.00951003 = 0.0285 BTC [-]
GamblingMan: Is the site dying, was it misrepresented, did the volume of bets drop significantly?
midnightmagic: OneEyed: I'm saying fats crush appetites better than carbs do, and that comparison is a good example of a false analogy.
GamblingMan: Why did the dividend fall to below that of most high yielding assets on the NYSE?
jcpham: SD was and always has been boring
jcpham: as an asset, as a site, and an anything
GamblingMan: They're flooding the market with shares and cutting the hell out of the dividend.
OneEyed: Ok, so eating a big plate of French fries makes you more efficient while you're digesting than eating a salad, right? Can't believe this :)
GamblingMan: Not sure why I thought it wasn't a scam, being listed on the Mpex
midnightmagic: GamblingMan: SatoshiDice is a distributed denial of service attack that the creators have convinced users to do to themselves, while stealing their money, and forcing the users themselves to bloat their own blockchain .dat files. They are exploiting a human cognitive bias to do so, and are therefore evil.
jcpham: mpex isn't a scam as far as i know
jcpham: itake offense to the accusation
OneEyed: GamblingMan: you have everything you need to compute the expected returns yourself, did you do it?
GamblingMan: Turns out that was a horrible financial decision.
midnightmagic: OneEyed: Another false analogy. (french fries vs. salad.) You never said french fries and salad in your original false statement.
GamblingMan: Seems like Satoshi Dice got tired of scamming users and decided to go for shareholders.
midnightmagic: I'm going to go away now. Feel free to get in the last word. Or two.
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 2 @ 0.109 = 0.218 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 3 @ 0.109 = 0.327 BTC [-]
GamblingMan: copumpkin: Have you ever made 100 best on SD and seen what the actual vs. claimed return is?
OneEyed: GamblingMan: how are they scamming users? Or shareholders?
copumpkin: GamblingMan: nope, but isn't it verifiable on the blockchain? they don't provide their own randomness
copumpkin: GamblingMan: expectation only works over infinite samples
copumpkin: any finite number can deviate arbitrarily far from it
OneEyed: copumpkin: they could inject their own transcations at appropriate places
GamblingMan: Show me 1 independent test that ever gives an above average return with more than 100 bets in the sample.
OneEyed: copumpkin: don't they know the random numbers in advance?
OneEyed: copumpkin: what do you mean? They work from the memory pool, since they work in 0-confirmation mode
copumpkin: so you're seriously telling me "I went to a casino and played for days, and I lost money! mommy mommy they're scamming"
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GamblingMan: copumpkin: Only if the casino claimed they repaid 98% and I lost 50% consistently.
GamblingMan: Satoshi Dice is a terrible site to use, terrible company to invest in, and it is listed on a terrible exchange.
OneEyed: GamblingMan: if you send me what is needed to play 100 transactions, I'll do it (one line script) and you'll be able to observe the results
assbot: [GLBSE] [PUREMINING] 3 @ 0.09604001 = 0.2881 BTC [-]
GamblingMan: Their claimed returns for shareholders match their claimed returns to users.
OneEyed: That would be 0.0105*100, or 1.05 BTC if I'm not mistaken
GamblingMan: OneEyed: I've already performed several tests. I know what the result will be.
GamblingMan: If you want to see for yourself that SD is scamming, go ahead and test.
OneEyed: Why would I play a game where the odds are against me,
GamblingMan: Their best claimed return address actuall returns less than 48% consistently in my tests that were performed over a several week period.
assbot: [GLBSE] [RAREEARTH] 10 @ 0.00961001 = 0.0961 BTC [-]
GamblingMan: That is why I figured I'd invest with them.... But then the claimed dividend payment was less than 1/3 of what I was expecting after talking to mircea.
OneEyed: GamblingMan: you should publish your results then, people would be interested in that.
GamblingMan: OneEyed: I tried once. Everyone bashed me and reacted like people did in here when I mentioned it.
assbot: [GLBSE] [BITBOND] 1 @ 0.18620001 BTC [-]
GamblingMan: I was told that the stated odds "are just guidelines"
GamblingMan: When in fact their guidelines are 100% inflated.
OneEyed: Ohhh, the min bet is 0.001, I thought it was 0.01, so the test could be done with 500 send for .75 BTC
GamblingMan: Stating odds that are misleading and then claiming they're guidelines, is what makes me use the word scammer.
GamblingMan: If you use the address with the highest odds.
GamblingMan: I actually returned an average of 48% through all of my testing...
GamblingMan: Run a test, publish it, and prepare to be flamed.
OneEyed: So you're talking about trying it with 1dice9wVtrKZTBbAZqz1XiTmboYyvpD3t?
OneEyed: Let's do this with 100 x 0.001 runs from 1B7xUkzFcwsaviJQL1XfRJazj4zXC764i7
GamblingMan: What is the stated return on the website for that address?
OneEyed: Shit, transactions not accepted to memory pool, sucker, after some of them. I'll have to wait a bit to get 100 of them
assbot: [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 300 @ 0.0033 = 0.99 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 3740 @ 0.00045477 = 1.7008 BTC [-]
GamblingMan: Great. I'm expecting your test to return somewhere in the 45-55% range.
assbot: [GLBSE] [RAREEARTH] 10 @ 0.00999999 = 0.1 BTC [+]
OneEyed: Either I'm doing something wrong with SatoshiDice, or something is wrong on their side…
OneEyed: to the 97.9% win address, with an expected gain of 1.004x when I win
OneEyed: And it pays back 0.00050442
mircea_popescu: and it substracts 0.0005 in all cases topay miner fees
OneEyed: I should win almost every time (97.9% of the time)
OneEyed: But ok, the .0005 is deduced
OneEyed: I thought *they* payed it :)
mircea_popescu: OneEyed im not an expert on the entire thing tbh, i just list em.
OneEyed: Yes, makes perfect sense now
mircea_popescu: there's a big ass independent audit thread in btctalk, want me to dig it ?
OneEyed: I'm just checking some claims by GamblingMan
mircea_popescu: those people are significantly more on the ball than i am
OneEyed: And by doing so, I'm probably increasing his future dividends by 1 satoshi or so :)
mircea_popescu: lol i re-read the list, seems to me unlikely he had any shares.
OneEyed: Hence your ognasty remark, makes sense
mircea_popescu: well there was some guy bashing by that name, also off webchat, yest i think
OneEyed: Yes, I was here, using the same IP as OgNasty before
mircea_popescu: but anyway, iirc AAPL paid something like .5% a year last, so
OneEyed: GamblingMan: none, I stopped in the middle and changed the 1dice address in order to diversify the bets, but that should still average the advertised returns
OneEyed: GamblingMan: I gave you the address, you can follow it yourself
OneEyed: 1B7xUkzFcwsaviJQL1XfRJazj4zXC764i7
GamblingMan: I thought you'd post a nice %. I already know what your results will be...
OneEyed: GamblingMan: I wanted you to send me money to do the test
mircea_popescu: what is this, transactional psychology for beginners ?
OneEyed: GamblingMan: one doesn't always get what he wants
OneEyed: GamblingMan: did you deduce the fees?
GamblingMan: No, I pasted your expected return listed above.
OneEyed: GamblingMan: it looks like .0005 are deduced from the gains
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41736 @ 0.00036061 = 15.0504 BTC [+]
GamblingMan: Strange that a site like Satoshi Dice can't figure out how to send transactions with no fees... That is beginner BTC stuff.
mircea_popescu: GamblingMan suppose it doesn't want to send them w/o a fee.
OneEyed: GamblingMan: if he did, they would not be relayed by standard bitcoind, and people would not see the result immediately
assbot: [GLBSE] [GOLD] 5 @ 0.00998999 = 0.0499 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: OneEyed anyway, the system whereby you pay post to me, i pay post to you seems pretty fair.
GamblingMan: mircea_popescu: You claimed in here that SD was the highest yielding asset on the GLBSE.
GamblingMan: It looks more like the lowest to me after seeing the last dividend.
GamblingMan: I've sold off a few thousand shares already this morning.
GamblingMan: I guess I might as well cut my losses now and sell a few thousand more.
GamblingMan: Hopefully they do, looks like I took out the decent bid walls.
OneEyed: GamblingMan: are you using the GLBSE passthrough?
assbot: [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 300 @ 0.003225 = 0.9675 BTC [-]
OneEyed: GamblingMan: you know that it retains an additional 5% of the dividends, right?
GamblingMan: It would have to retain 80% of the dividends to make the yield even close to acceptable for that valuation.
OneEyed: GamblingMan: so why did you buy in?
GamblingMan: mircea_popescu claimed it was the highest yielding asset.
GamblingMan: now I know that mircea_popescu is 100% full of shit.
GamblingMan: mircea_popescu: you were in here bashing someone for not knowing "GSDPT is the highest yielding asset on GLBSE"
mircea_popescu: well, actually mpoe.etf was for the longest time the highest yielding
mircea_popescu: course from what i hear mpoe.etf is closing down, so too late for that.
GamblingMan: mpoe.etf was NEVER the highest yielding asset.
assbot: !pl <ticker> [<amount>@]<bought at> [<YYYY-MM-DD>]
assbot: Requesting data from GLBSE (might take a while, also might return fishy results as it does not account for splits etc).
GamblingMan: Those types of claims are what make you full of shit.
assbot: MPOE.ETF [1@0.1BTC] paid: 0.02470282 BTC. Last price: 0.3 BTC. Capital gain: 0.2 BTC. Total: 0.22470282 BTC. (224.7%)
mircea_popescu: and i hear it's getting closed out at about 1 or something like that.
OneEyed: Ok, here is my result. I had .15 at this address, I now have .06685859. I placed 80 + 24 bets (104 total), paying .0005 fees every time I sent and every time I won. I expected: .15 - .0015*104 + 80*(.001*.97653*1.04 - .0005*.97653) + 24*(.001*.244141*4.003 - .0005*.244141)
GamblingMan: Anyone can IPO anything at whatever they want and then stop selling cheap shares. I know you're familiar with manipulation.
OneEyed: .py .15 - .0015*104 + 80*(.001*.97653*1.04 - .0005*.97653) + 24*(.001*.244141*4.003 - .0005*.244141)
OneEyed: So I lost less than expected
OneEyed: (not enough to win money though)
GamblingMan: You should have stuck with the original test, but I assume after losing a few dozen times in a row using the 98% address, you gave up. ;)
OneEyed: No, I was already above the expectation. You can check itself, I've done no other transaction on this address
OneEyed: I will not, in order to spend the last 0.05 I have there :)
rdponticelli: I meant MPOE.ETF... Anyway, do you know if smickles allow to redeem the shares for S.M?POE
mircea_popescu: at this point im torn whether to ignore the idiot or keep him on for amusement purposes.
mircea_popescu: GamblingMan your input wasn't really solicited in the matter.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3064 @ 0.00036061 = 1.1049 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11574 @ 0.00036061 = 4.1737 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4918 @ 0.00035964 = 1.7687 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20444 @ 0.00035946 = 7.3488 BTC [-]
gribble: Best bid: 12.72, Best ask: 12.8, Bid-ask spread: 0.08000, Last trade: 12.8, 24 hour volume: 34946, 24 hour low: 12.55, 24 hour high: 12.8999
assbot: [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 700 @ 0.003225 = 2.2575 BTC [-]
GamblingMan: Sucks to take a loss on this crap, but it is what a deserve for funneling money to Mpex.
OneEyed: Shit, I managed to increase the balance while trying to empty it :)
GamblingMan: You can probably buy a few thousand shares.
OneEyed: GamblingMan: I won't, you told me it was a bad deal :)
assbot: [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 5 @ 0.003201 = 0.016 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 36 @ 0.1091 = 3.9276 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 64 @ 0.109 = 6.976 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 38 @ 0.0032 = 0.1216 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 100 @ 0.0032 = 0.32 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: it boggles me. do you actually think causing further panic on glbse hurts me somehow ?!
GamblingMan: OneEyed: Only an 80% loss? You're rocking that 98% address. lol
assbot: [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 69 @ 0.0032 = 0.2208 BTC [-]
OneEyed: GamblingMan: you're kidding? I started with 0.15, 0.05 being for the fees!
assbot: [GLBSE] [YARR] 1 @ 1 BTC [+]
OneEyed: I played 128 games so far, with 0.0005 in fees every time
OneEyed: And 0.0005 deduced from every win
assbot: [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 69 @ 0.0032 = 0.2208 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 69 @ 0.0032 = 0.2208 BTC [-]
OneEyed: I have more than the original 0.15 amount minus the fees
mircea_popescu: really tho, if it were up to me i'd make the fee larger.
mircea_popescu: there's really little benefit in all the btcdust transactions
assbot: [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 69 @ 0.0032 = 0.2208 BTC [-]
GamblingMan: I agree. At least a higher fee would benefit mining pool owners.
OneEyed: GamblingMan: but I've no doubt I'll loose everything, but right now, my returns are more than 100% if you remove the fees (which were high because I chose to start with .001 + .0005 of fees)
assbot: [GLBSE] [CBGB] 2 @ 0.48 = 0.96 BTC [-]
OneEyed: So if the game is flawed, it's biased towards me right now, I guess that's why you get low dividends :)
OneEyed: Ok, now let's lose those .9 for good
gribble: usagi was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 hours, 40 minutes, and 29 seconds ago: <usagi> I can bounce back but it would really piss me off
GamblingMan: Why would usagi bouncing back piss him off?
mircea_popescu: OneEyed actually they did have a shit month, about half down from statistical expectation
GamblingMan: I have a feeling that next month will be even shittier. ;)
mircea_popescu: i remember even a decade ago, the shills were a lot better.
GamblingMan: Same shill from 2 decades ago right here. ;)
mircea_popescu: GamblingMan if you were someone, as opposed to random anon you could prolyl borrow shares and sell them for your bet.
GamblingMan: Why would I want to pay interest to own shitty shares?
GamblingMan: I expect the interest on borrowing would be higher than the dividends.
GamblingMan: I'm not a finance expert if that is what you're asking.
GamblingMan: I'm just a guy with a shit ton of BTC and was looking to put some of it to work.
OneEyed: Yeah, I ended up with 1 satoshi on this address
GamblingMan: So let me ask you this mircea_popescu: What is the worst investment I could make on the GLBSE?
assbot: [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 69 @ 0.0032 = 0.2208 BTC [-]
GamblingMan: C'mon. I really would like to buy the worst asset in your opinion and track the results of it vs. SD
assbot: [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 69 @ 0.0032 = 0.2208 BTC [-]
GamblingMan: I guess he doesn't like giving investment advice now?
GamblingMan: He was quick to recommend Satoshi Dice before...
GamblingMan: Now I can't even get a crap recommendation...
assbot: [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 69 @ 0.0032 = 0.2208 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 69 @ 0.0032 = 0.2208 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 69 @ 0.0032 = 0.2208 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 69 @ 0.0032 = 0.2208 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 69 @ 0.0032 = 0.2208 BTC [-]
rg: [14:06] <GamblingMan> So let me ask you this mircea_popescu: What is the worst investment I could make on the GLBSE?
rg: probably a dead asset..
jurov: lol, like mircea's biggest expert on glbse :)
assbot: [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 69 @ 0.0032 = 0.2208 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23856 @ 0.00035946 = 8.5753 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24100 @ 0.00035943 = 8.6623 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11544 @ 0.00035922 = 4.1468 BTC [-]
PsychoticBoy: mircea dont act like glbse lists only scams and death assets to make mpex look good, its not cool
jurov: GamblingMan.. and what do you guess about me?
assbot: [GLBSE] [BITCOINTORRENTZ] 2 @ 0.35 = 0.7 BTC [+]
jurov: you can visit coinbr.com to improve your guess
assbot: [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 69 @ 0.0032 = 0.2208 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [MOVETO.FUND] 1 @ 0.57000001 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [MOVETO.FUND] 1 @ 0.57 BTC [-]
jurov: it's pretty much nicely explained on it
assbot: [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 69 @ 0.0032 = 0.2208 BTC [-]
jurov: i'd like to know what would you say about GamblingMan, if you forgot that was you
jurov: yes. and i'm too lazy to open it.. am not alone it sems
assbot: [GLBSE] [JLP-BMD] 1 @ 0.07110001 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [JLP-BMD] 35 @ 0.0711 = 2.4885 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 69 @ 0.0032 = 0.2208 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 53 @ 0.0032 = 0.1696 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 1 @ 0.53999999 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BMMO] 1 @ 0.03980004 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BMMO] 1 @ 0.0398 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [JLP-BMD] 21 @ 0.0711 = 1.4931 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [JLP-BMD] 15 @ 0.071 = 1.065 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [M.ETF] 1 @ 0.103992 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [CPA] 1 @ 0.01999999 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [CPA] 1 @ 0.02 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [CPA] 1 @ 0.021 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [CPA] 1 @ 0.022 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [CPA] 1 @ 0.023 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [CPA] 1 @ 0.025 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [CPA] 1 @ 0.026 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [CPA] 1 @ 0.027 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [M.ETF] 13 @ 0.051 = 0.663 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BITBOND] 1 @ 0.21089998 BTC [+]
chmod755: [GLBSE] [MIRCEAPOPESCU] 10 @ 0.021 = 0.21 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 1160 @ 0.00045477 = 0.5275 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [NASTY] 1 @ 0.4899 BTC [+]