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mircea_popescu: lol right. the sort of idiot who imagines tor is a thing, aka 20something potheads. ☟︎
asciilifeform: his principal value to his new owner is his 'tor cred' or whatever one might call it.
asciilifeform: at any rate, that thing apparently is the long-awaited 'tor-flavoured' shitcoin
shinohai: They could at least include a sigaint address or something since already on tor
asciilifeform: and with tor
shinohai: My first time on tor in months, immediately scammed mod6
a111: Logged on 2016-10-14 16:57 mircea_popescu: speaking of tor & the rest of the retard community, ""Mariana's Web" does not exist. For anyone trying to be the "Jacques Cousteau of the Dark Web": There is no "going deeper". There are no "levels". Please stop asking how to get there."
mircea_popescu: speaking of tor & the rest of the retard community, ""Mariana's Web" does not exist. For anyone trying to be the "Jacques Cousteau of the Dark Web": There is no "going deeper". There are no "levels". Please stop asking how to get there." ☟︎
asciilifeform: at one point i was interested in tor, and ran several nodes, but strictly from the point of view of malware collection.
Framedragger: also for future logs: http://donncha.is/2013/05/trawling-tor-hidden-services/ (i know i know, noone cares)
mircea_popescu: iirc was briefly discussed, nobody gave much of a shit about tor
Framedragger: as of now this is more-or-less trivially doable. later, tor will move to a new hidden service model where it'll be more difficult to crawl for things. (right now, you can run a node which after a while (if stable enough, etc.) becomes a hidden service directory, and then (if you're sneaky enough) you can log all hidden service key requests, therefore obtaining a large bunch of fingerprints -> public keys.)
Framedragger: couldn't find anything after (very) cursory glance at logs, so, random question #667: has anyone considered crawling tor hidden services for their rsa (1024 bit iirc!) keys, and dumping them into phuctor? apologies if there was already a discussion with regards to this.
mircea_popescu: and in other fucking nonsense, freenode has decided to redirect ALL inbound links to its most recent web page, to advertise to the world privateinternetaccess.com, ie the nsa front ; and their derpitude in support of "resurrecting tor". this of course includes all old manual pages and everything else. ☟︎
asciilifeform: and subj is not limited to open sores, tor hacktiwhateverrism, etc.
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-20: [14:36:51] <asciilifeform> in other noose, guess what fleanode was welding on during the recent wave of resets, etc: https://freenode.net/news/tor-online
mircea_popescu: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160920/#156 << not exactly novel, they had a tor thing thoughout. but yes, tighter integration is to be expected across the empire.
trinque: It's cur­rent­ly not pos­si­ble to reg­is­ter an ac­count for use with Tor with­out con­nect­ing at least once over the In­ter­net. << tfa
asciilifeform: in other noose, guess what fleanode was welding on during the recent wave of resets, etc: https://freenode.net/news/tor-online
a111: Logged on 2016-09-14 09:51 Framedragger: why is Vexual banned - http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-16#1522329 - why no bard. you know tor irc channels used to have this skruffy character who connected from some small shanty town in deep russia and spoke broken english. thing is, he found and reported on a ton of deeper bugs, i mean like delicate race conditions that don't normally appear and shit. he claimed to have used win98 and complained all the time that tor broke on win98
Framedragger: why is Vexual banned - http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-16#1522329 - why no bard. you know tor irc channels used to have this skruffy character who connected from some small shanty town in deep russia and spoke broken english. thing is, he found and reported on a ton of deeper bugs, i mean like delicate race conditions that don't normally appear and shit. he claimed to have used win98 and complained all the time that tor broke on win98 ☝︎☟︎
a111: Logged on 2016-04-30 01:34 deedbot: [Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 9 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'randomnoize (Tor relay operator) <randomnoize@riseup.net>; randomnoize (Tor relay operator) <randomnoize2009@googlemail.com>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/9319605DD9BFB5972272003BC0D6D2E999783C7256A75BF1BE08178A359F9542
asciilifeform: depressingly familiar mass delusion (quite like, e.g., the tor thing.)
a111: Logged on 2016-09-03 01:39 Bugpowder: Right, The Playpen operation. But there are so many DNMs, no way they are all honeypots. Now, some may be usgov inflitrated, tor may be usgov compromised, but I don’t think DNMs are driven by usgov.
Bugpowder: Right, The Playpen operation. But there are so many DNMs, no way they are all honeypots. Now, some may be usgov inflitrated, tor may be usgov compromised, but I don’t think DNMs are driven by usgov. ☟︎
shinohai: "An unknown individual using the encrypted privacy tool Tor to hide their tracks accessed an email account on a Clinton family server, the FBI revealed Friday." <<<< bwahahaha
mircea_popescu: (pro tip, if your idea is "but mp, tor was actually built by nsa, this thing is just built by some random poor people" you lose at life. what the fuck, the socialists observe propriety lines now ? the whole world was made by their hunchback of a god and gave to them as a gift dontchaknow.)
BingoBoingo: http://qntra.net/2016/08/us-navy-project-tor-surrounded-by-drama-as-usg-reasserts-control/#comment-68226
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2016/08/us-navy-project-tor-surrounded-by-drama-as-usg-reasserts-control/ << Qntra - US Navy Project "Tor" Surrounded By Drama As USG Reasserts Control
mircea_popescu: tor 2.0, the wives' club
asciilifeform: ^ tor org removed ENTIRE board except for the veteran nsa stooge
mircea_popescu: Framedragger the problem here is moreover default trust. so you wake up one day and you see... "gnupg". nomina nuda. you look around, theres' "werner koch" idem, nomina nuda. you look, there's "tor" with "shari" and "isis". names, hollow as can be. but the natural tendency of the brain, to see movement in a succession of stills and meaning in noise and structure in names convinces you these are THINGS. ☟︎
asciilifeform: though their 'is' is quite lulzy, e.g., the sks server talk is about 'This talk will discuss some experiences operating the services and discuss new features related to new specifications such as Elliptic Curves (including but not limited to Ed25519 and Curve25519) and the experimental Tor support available at hkp://jirk5u4osbsr34t5.onion in addition to providing an overview of the other available pools such as the TLS enabled HKPS p
mircea_popescu: aaanyway. not all graves are worth the stream of piss, and in the case of tor i'm well spent.
mircea_popescu: "The first thing I said when I saw this website, is that Shari failed. She knew people (many datapoints indicate the site creators are Alison and Isis) were about to do this. How could she let this happen? I am strongly wondering if this was really about protecting women. Here's what I noticed: I am a woman, and I estimate that more than half of the Tor core people know I was dating him, or at least close to him. If Tor belie
asciilifeform: ah 'shitstack collapsed' was re tor.
mircea_popescu: "tor project", aka a bunch of nobodies posturing loudly, tolerated as temporary willing astroturf cover for a nsa project.
asciilifeform: elsewhere: https://archive.is/pz0kL << massive compendium of old noose (re recent tor psyops.)
asciilifeform: http://git.gnupg.org/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=gnupg.git;a=blob;f=dirmngr/dns-stuff.c;h=191719e932e8995b7876fcffd0ff809c18f47334;hb=refs/heads/STABLE-BRANCH-2-2#l102 << why is there even a 'tor mode' ?
shinohai: https://m.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/4y8m76/0130_binary_safety_warning_bitcoinorg/d6mao05 " Option 2 would be to skip creating the WoT, get the key, and verify its full fingerprint in several places, from several computers, at least once using Tor."
asciilifeform: rther, if the connection is present, such an off-path attacker can also infer the TCP sequence numbers in use, from both sides of the connection; this in turn allows the attacker to cause connection termination and perform data injection attacks. We illustrate how the attack can be leveraged to disrupt or degrade the privacy guarantees of an anonymity network such as Tor, and perform web connection hijacking. Through extensive experi
asciilifeform: aaaand guess what, after they lowered into pederasty, and then murdered, ian of debian, we get: https://bits.debian.org/2016/08/debian-and-tor-services-available-as-onion-services.html
mircea_popescu: who the fuck runs tor, hillary's campaign management ? "shit positively known not to work, will be sold as distributed and hipstery". THE WOMAN IS LOSING ON THIS SCRITP! IT DUN WERK!!!111
a111: Logged on 2016-07-27 13:12 jurov: According to the Tor developers, the new design will deploy a distributed random generation system that has "never been deployed before on the Internet."
jurov: According to the Tor developers, the new design will deploy a distributed random generation system that has "never been deployed before on the Internet." ☟︎
jurov: http://thehackernews.com/2016/07/tor-deep-web-spying.html
asciilifeform: in other lulz, https://cryptome.org/2016/07/cloudflare-de-anons-tor.htm
asciilifeform: 'MIT researchers devise a secure anonymity network that’s 10x faster than Tor' << FASTER!11111 so that you can broadcast your keystroke timings!!
shinohai: http://archive.is/62oC4 <<< tor replacement supposedly being researched by, ait for it, MIT!
a111: Logged on 2016-07-18 16:07 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it will be an interesting anal piercing moment for the tor aficionados - EVERYBODY gets to 'upgrade'
asciilifeform: speaking of all of this, did anybody ever crawl the tor exit pubkeys ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it will be an interesting anal piercing moment for the tor aficionados - EVERYBODY gets to 'upgrade' ☟︎
mircea_popescu: "Tonga will be permanently shut down and all associated crytographic keys destroyed on 2016-08-31. This should give the Tor developers ample time to stand up a substitute. I will terminate the chron job we set up so many years ago at that time that copies over the descriptors." << if there were a bitbet i'd put a little on "there will not be a replacement in time"
mircea_popescu: o check it out, tor finally going to meet ripple in that happy space over the horizon ?
mircea_popescu: my evaluation of it was "rewrite" rather than "import" fwiw. but unlike tor, i have no beef with it as of yet.
shinohai: http://archive.is/CYkMj <<< moar tor fallout
mircea_popescu: Framedragger honestly, that it supports tor seems to me a counter argument to using anything.
shinohai: freenode make you use the dreaded sasl connection for tor
Framedragger: ah, actually freenode blocks connection eventually anyway since tor node in dnsbl and whatnot, so that's not a good argument anyway i guess
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: there's no captcha for the kiwiirc webchat thing only if your ip request is quite unique etc. if you e.g. go from tor (*ducks*) then you get presented with the lovely cloudflare captcha where you have to solve shit for multiple times until you pass. but at least no default captcha i guess
asciilifeform: (if tor actually worked, they would have had to, or to give up)
asciilifeform: nobody actually invented the working thing tor purported to be.
mircea_popescu: now, the tor would be "ipad", except a peculiar sort that does not in fact work.
mircea_popescu: tor never worked, but THE "we don't know which physical object maps to the logical object called <this server>" BIT did!
asciilifeform: tor never worked tho
mircea_popescu: point remains : the "we don't know which physical object maps to the logical object called <this server>" bit worked, even in the "look but don't touch" version displayed by tor. in fact - it was the bait in that trap.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the tor model is, other than its many implementation warts, fundamentally broken i think.
mircea_popescu: phf it's aligned alright. which is how linus now has a "psychopatic sexual behaviours", as per http://qntra.net/2016/06/how-the-tor-project-pays-and-pays-cia-agents-from-their-usg-navy-coffers/#comment-62663
mircea_popescu: http://qntra.net/2016/06/how-the-tor-project-pays-and-pays-cia-agents-from-their-usg-navy-coffers/#comment-62660 << check it out, qntra worthy of its own pinoy dept nao ? who could have predicted!
asciilifeform: http://qntra.net/2016/06/how-the-tor-project-pays-and-pays-cia-agents-from-their-usg-navy-coffers/#comment-62660 << lulzy
midnightmagic: asciilifeform: You can wget from a tor HS site?
deedbot: [Qntra] How The Tor Project Pays And Pays CIA Agents From Their USG.Navy Coffers - http://qntra.net/2016/06/how-the-tor-project-pays-and-pays-cia-agents-from-their-usg-navy-coffers/
asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/45c39efb-967b-4c3b-9c6a-b9d2dff8afeb/?raw=true (re the tor thing)
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-28#1491739 << same dingledine as officially represents nsa in tor ☝︎
asciilifeform: ons. Tor, and our broader freedom movement, are about communities, and about how we want to interact with each other. Let's handle this situation as an example of how we want to do it right.'
asciilifeform: 'It's tempting to wonder if there's some cointelpro-style attack going on. Realistically, we likely do have the attention of governments who are well-funded to attack us. But first, this really doesn't look like a cointelpro op. The complaints come from people both inside and outside the Tor community, and I know some of them. And second, in this case it really doesn't matter. It's no excuse for not taking responsibility for our acti
shinohai: Moar in tor lulz >>> https://twitter.com/hackerfantastic/status/747109994055766016
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-26#1490811 << it is not clear that there is such a thing as 'correct tor' that is still recognizably similar (i.e. real-time) ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-06-26 15:45 Framedragger: did you ever run a god damn tor browser? you prolly didnt because usg. it has banners and warnings all over. what else can one do. they're transparent about the bugs (incl upstream firefox) etc. not saying that i'd use tor for important things now.
a111: Logged on 2016-06-26 15:42 shinohai: 22:31 < ioerror> Tor is compromised. <<< lulz. When wasn't it?
a111: Logged on 2016-06-26 15:12 asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu http://pastebin.com/raw/WPAmqkW8 (copy - http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/29c0d630-bdd5-4548-b4a8-82e99762f20b ) -- pretty lulzy, re cia mole in tor, supposedly confesses - possibly qntrable
Framedragger: non sequitur as far as tor's use is concerned. he came out himself about him being the leaker. this breaks the anonymity.
a111: Logged on 2016-06-26 15:45 Framedragger: wut? snowden used tor
BingoBoingo: <Framedragger> wut? snowden used tor << Not as single thing and as soon as what he was doing became known his situation became precarious
Framedragger: what the fuck does that mean, even. plenty of journalists reporting on actual shit use tor all the time
Framedragger: wut? snowden used tor ☟︎
Framedragger: did you ever run a god damn tor browser? you prolly didnt because usg. it has banners and warnings all over. what else can one do. they're transparent about the bugs (incl upstream firefox) etc. not saying that i'd use tor for important things now. ☟︎
asciilifeform: the folks who used ~any~ tor, with whatever other opsec, are now rotting in auschwitzes
Framedragger: asciilifeform: you do know that tor never promised absolute anonymity etc etc, and says you have to maintain good opsec, tor is not enough etc.
Framedragger: 21:17 < helix> I think it was incredibly selfish of you to join tor knowing this would utterly fuck us PR-wise
shinohai: 22:31 < ioerror> Tor is compromised. <<< lulz. When wasn't it? ☟︎
asciilifeform: they - when tor fucked sr folks raw until their guts fell out - did no such thing.
Framedragger: sure. look, i'm not saying that anyone of import should use tor
asciilifeform: that all the folks who relied on tor are in american prisons now, is fucking evidence enough.
asciilifeform: tor is a usg operation.
Framedragger: asciilifeform: i assume source is unknown? only asking cause i'm curious, having had some relation to tor
asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu http://pastebin.com/raw/WPAmqkW8 (copy - http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/29c0d630-bdd5-4548-b4a8-82e99762f20b ) -- pretty lulzy, re cia mole in tor, supposedly confesses - possibly qntrable ☟︎
shinohai: Bad news is all the good blow vendors are on tor
mircea_popescu: davout own docker/aws/tor/silk road/nsa/cloudflare/dns/you name it.
asciilifeform: ring nodes, enabling traffic disruption and injection. This means that all the talk about legal instruments, NSLs etc. is immaterial, and that Tor traffic is practically vulnerable.'