a111: Logged on 2016-06-13 01:00 Framedragger should write some kind of simple thingie which takes (1) keyword and (2) timestamp pairs as intervals, and produces a kind of wiki page for all given keywords. (2) can be amended later as needed. so that there'd be a page for gossipd without much effort at all
mod6: huh. i thought it was a lisp deal
Framedragger: some other stuff is written in lisp afaiui. but maybe deedbot rewritten in lisp since then?
deedbot: Etherael voiced for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: Framedragger that's an earlier attempt at deedbot. it didn't take.
Etherael: Hello, thanks for voice, I read your blog after the ethereum debacle, found it interesting, thought I would come here and listen for some time.
deedbot: dum voiced for 30 minutes.
deedbot: Dumnezeu voiced for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: Framedragger o hey nice. archive.is style or homebrew ?
mircea_popescu: well let's test if this works better than that. asciilifeform you see it correctly ?
☟︎ mircea_popescu: Framedragger guy had this js that to me looked really good, but which apparently doesn't look consistent through browsers.
Framedragger: look it's an afternoon php hack, no js on purpose tho
Framedragger: ahh. well, you can, but by clicking multiple times
mircea_popescu: you can just select a chunk of trilema it'll give you an url id
Framedragger: ah. yeah i've seen that. dang, should have thought of that
mircea_popescu: it's leet yeah but not so easy to do well. because #browsers
Framedragger: this thing - you can select a timestamp first time, it'll reload anchored and with from: set; then when you select another timestamp, it'll add to: to the url, resulting in a range with proper permalink'y url
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: i sorta like the idea of avoiding js here if only because that way backend actually gets to know what is select, and can do things about it (including being able to assign a label to that block, to be stored elsewhere (later)); those '#' anchors are not sent to server. buut arbitrary realtime selection is pretty neat, i'll check it later..
mircea_popescu: just, you have the advantage of implicit tokenization by line. text doesn't really have this.
Framedragger: with irc logs it's easy as selection is rather 'discrete' (one line separate from another). in blog, it's a bunch of text, so more difficult
mircea_popescu: though in honesty i suppose propper html should auto-tokenize by "sentence"
mircea_popescu: i have no fucking idea how the people who dreamed up the hypertext failed to realise the value and importance of referencing SPECIFIC PORTIONS specifically,
☟︎ mircea_popescu: i guess their teachers never went "i think therefore i am", but always quoted "meditationes de prima philosophia by that guy looking like a frog ; somewhere in there"
mircea_popescu: "you mean in discours de la methode?" "no, and don't be vulgar."
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: heh. yeah, fuck the web, truly.
Framedragger: never read discourse on the method, does it take his circular "method" to the next level there? :p
tb0t: <%a|%add> <project> <code> "<subject>" "<notes>" [ante] | <%e|%edit> <project> <id> <code> "<subject>" "<notes>" [ante] | <%r|%remove> <project> <id> | <%p|%print> <project> <id> | <%pp|%print_projects> | <%pc|%print_codes>
mod6: sorry for the disruption. running fine, wanted to get the logging redirected as it should.
Framedragger: (if there was to be one more bot around these parts, i assume having a prefix char for it be "@" would be fine - i think it should be fine.. this can be changed of course)
☟︎ a111: Logged on 2016-06-26 04:03 mircea_popescu: well let's test if this works better than that. asciilifeform you see it correctly ?
a111: Logged on 2016-06-26 04:19 mircea_popescu: i have no fucking idea how the people who dreamed up the hypertext failed to realise the value and importance of referencing SPECIFIC PORTIONS specifically,
Framedragger: asciilifeform: i assume source is unknown? only asking cause i'm curious, having had some relation to tor
Framedragger: asciilifeform: you don't know those devs, so fuck off
Framedragger: i have, and i've had back and forth with mp on his blog long ago, that conversation he likes to quote, but there is nothing material
Framedragger: if you mean that > 50% of funding comes from usg and that it was initially funded by navy research lab, yes
☟︎ Framedragger: sure. look, i'm not saying that anyone of import should use tor
Framedragger: original design explicitly excluded global passive adversaries anyway
Framedragger: but to suggest that folk from within are in on it, as in usg agents whatnot, is bull. i know that in terms of effects there may not be much of a difference, but whenever you say "prolly controlled burn by those idiots", i want to smack you because those friends are not dumb at all.
☟︎☟︎ BingoBoingo: re: useful idiots, marjuana doesn't always do the paranoia thing. See: Amir Taki and other trusting fellows
shinohai: 22:31 < ioerror> Tor is compromised. <<< lulz. When wasn't it?
☟︎ Framedragger: 21:17 < helix> I think it was incredibly selfish of you to join tor knowing this would utterly fuck us PR-wise
Framedragger: asciilifeform: you do know that tor never promised absolute anonymity etc etc, and says you have to maintain good opsec, tor is not enough etc.
Framedragger: did you ever run a god damn tor browser? you prolly didnt because usg. it has banners and warnings all over. what else can one do. they're transparent about the bugs (incl upstream firefox) etc. not saying that i'd use tor for important things now.
☟︎ Framedragger: what the fuck does that mean, even. plenty of journalists reporting on actual shit use tor all the time
Framedragger: inb4 mp's "those journos are unimportant niggers"
Framedragger: i don't give a fuck about "own credibility", lol. i'm here because it's stimulating.
BingoBoingo: <Framedragger> wut? snowden used tor << Not as single thing and as soon as what he was doing became known his situation became precarious
a111: Logged on 2016-06-26 15:45 Framedragger: wut? snowden used tor
Framedragger: non sequitur as far as tor's use is concerned. he came out himself about him being the leaker. this breaks the anonymity.
BingoBoingo: But problems started before coming out, or did you not see Citizen4 and pay attention to "has problems" timeline?
Framedragger: BingoBoingo: in fairness, i'd have to recall, and you may have a point here - i am not sure.
BingoBoingo: film requires careful reading and a bit of gas mask anytime the rat wizard Greenvald speaks
BingoBoingo: shinohai: Seriously. It's jsut lots of 3.6 volt batteries
a111: Logged on 2016-06-26 12:27 Framedragger: (if there was to be one more bot around these parts, i assume having a prefix char for it be "@" would be fine - i think it should be fine.. this can be changed of course)
mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-26#1490707 << ~the only value of that thing is to show fucking derps don't have a weblog. "and where's the kitchen table ?" "in our house we don't do kitchen tables." "so what do you do ?" "well if we're hungry there's that trough" "oic."
☝︎ a111: Logged on 2016-06-26 15:33 Framedragger: "prolly a controlled burn"
mircea_popescu: whether some are actually imbeciles and, kakobrekla-y, "really really believe" in their idiocy is not a point of interest. between the gestapo man who did it because sadist, and would have done it for free or even paid to have the job, and the gestapo man who did it for the money there's no difference on the gallows.
a111: Logged on 2016-06-26 15:35 Framedragger: if you mean that > 50% of funding comes from usg and that it was initially funded by navy research lab, yes
mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-26#1490744 << it doesn't matter if the whore has accepted she's a whore in her "inner soul where she is writing her own story". she IS a whore. this is not in her hand, not anymore than she being "female" is in her hand. i decide this, not her, and she can't touch it if she stands on her head.
☝︎ a111: Logged on 2016-06-26 15:38 Framedragger: but to suggest that folk from within are in on it, as in usg agents whatnot, is bull. i know that in terms of effects there may not be much of a difference, but whenever you say "prolly controlled burn by those idiots", i want to smack you because those friends are not dumb at all.
mircea_popescu: i understand there's this anglosaxon tradition of "pronouncing a man's name like he himself does" come out of the bizarre happenstance that all of england decided to drop historical pronounciation and follow the airs of random whore history has forgot to mention just about the time they realised it'd be a good idea to mark down how the language works.
mircea_popescu: and obviously this has expanded cancerously and out of all proportion in the past coupla decades to "anything".
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, it's not a thing. she's not female because she says she's female, nor does she become male if she says she's male now, nor is her name jane because she calls herself jane.
mircea_popescu: anywya. your definition of dumb is not useful, because being smart is no particular defense against being dumb. i can readily grant that they're smart, in the sense of trained monkey : give it a fiddle and watch in amazement. but without the fiddle it's just a monkey, and just like the horse that can count to five is a remarkable horse, not a remarkable matematician - these friends of yours are particularly bright idiots, if
☟︎ a111: Logged on 2016-06-26 15:40 asciilifeform: Framedragger: the only thing for useful idiots to do, to possibly reclaim some dignity, is to repent. publicly.
mircea_popescu: the only strange thing is that they never seem to be 19, and almost always 39.
mircea_popescu: kinda destroys the value proposition of the whole thing. im sure that just as soon as the delusion dries up, and their bubble finally gets punctured, be it because we finally smash the fed presses, or for any other reason, they'll find it within themselves that the need to eat exceeds the disinclination to not repent.
a111: Logged on 2016-06-26 15:42 shinohai: 22:31 < ioerror> Tor is compromised. <<< lulz. When wasn't it?
a111: Logged on 2016-06-26 15:45 Framedragger: did you ever run a god damn tor browser? you prolly didnt because usg. it has banners and warnings all over. what else can one do. they're transparent about the bugs (incl upstream firefox) etc. not saying that i'd use tor for important things now.
mircea_popescu: and what they can do is build it correctly, rather than "build it brokenly and pretend it's correctly because that's what nsa needs of us"
☟︎ a111: Logged on 2016-06-26 16:12 Framedragger: > THat is an incredibly rude question to ask a vet
deedbot: Dumnezeu voiced for 30 minutes.
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Framedragger: re. other stuff, i'm not exactly on the opposite side of the fence, i suppose, so eh!
mircea_popescu: ikr, wtf, if you're not at peace with killing wtf are you doing playing soldier for
mircea_popescu: it's what i see here. can't be a god damned waitress, gotta do waitressing "ironically" like she's seen in clerks, because otherwise WHAT COULD HAPPEN!
☟︎ mircea_popescu: can't be a soldier, can't be a father, can't be an anything for reals, just tryin' ta bla bla bla.
a111: Logged on 2016-06-21 15:22 mircea_popescu: and in other lulz : wordpress interface dies if one tries to publish a 10mb text article with "unknown error". apparently this has never happened before.
mircea_popescu: "we have all these plastic knives and cardboard shoes. don't walk in them. best civilisation."
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a111: Logged on 2016-06-26 16:48 mircea_popescu: and what they can do is build it correctly, rather than "build it brokenly and pretend it's correctly because that's what nsa needs of us"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's also not clear there's such a thing as "perpetuum mobile" that is still recognizable. this is no license to sell "state of the art perpetuum mobili"
mircea_popescu: would you prefer "build correctly the it" ? which is how a sane language would say it, but english gotta homogenize everything.
mircea_popescu: anyway, as to the punctual objection, yes very much directory should be dht.
a111: Logged on 2016-06-26 17:24 mircea_popescu: it's what i see here. can't be a god damned waitress, gotta do waitressing "ironically" like she's seen in clerks, because otherwise WHAT COULD HAPPEN!
mircea_popescu: myeah. hopelessness would really help a lot of people.
a111: Logged on 2016-06-26 16:43 mircea_popescu: anywya. your definition of dumb is not useful, because being smart is no particular defense against being dumb. i can readily grant that they're smart, in the sense of trained monkey : give it a fiddle and watch in amazement. but without the fiddle it's just a monkey, and just like the horse that can count to five is a remarkable horse, not a remarkable matematician - these friends of yours are particularly
mircea_popescu: who could have predicted just how powerful an analytical tool that random encounter on a blog's comment page would turn out to be.
mircea_popescu: this, i propose, is what ALWAYS happens when ANY consideration is given to purpose rather than remaining entirely grounded in cause.
mircea_popescu: errors travel back down and grind down not your results, but ~your capacity for having any results~.
mircea_popescu: "why is this line of code here ?" "because we want to..." "bitch, nobody cares, WHY is it here!"
a111: Logged on 2016-06-25 23:48 asciilifeform: and the whole 'favela' looks nicer than most of baltimore.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform these people with the ads. there's two google shits AND a popup overlay wtf already.