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mod6: openbsd requires gmake to be in the stator.sh, not make.
mod6: <+gernika> mod6 stator with mods for OpenBSD. Blockheight=168000 << if it's a problem in block 168`001, i'm sure we hit this problem in february. but it should be resolved with openssl 1.0.1g.
gernika: mod6 stator with mods for OpenBSD. Blockheight=168000
gernika: For any interested: using phf's patch with a few mods for amd64 I have successfully built stator on OpenBSD.
mod6: phf: hey, i was able to apply your patch for OpenBSD onto stator, but I hit this problem after boost compiled: http://dpaste.com/0WRAK16.txt any thoughts?
mod6: <+phf> apparently gcc doesn't always include all the necessary pthread bits (not just openbsd but other unixes), which results in segfault on launch << on my obsd 5.6 on x86-64 that's the same problem i kept running into; segfault at execution time.
mod6: <+asciilifeform> phf: you may be the first to achieve openbsd build! consider posting recipe << please do!
phf: apparently gcc doesn't always include all the necessary pthread bits (not just openbsd but other unixes), which results in segfault on launch
asciilifeform: phf: you may be the first to achieve openbsd build! consider posting recipe
phf: OpenBSD 5.6 GENERIC#274 i386; -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 5.0M Jul 4 02:34 bitcoind; bitcoind: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1, for OpenBSD, statically linked, stripped
phf: so stator builds and syncs on openbsd 5.6 i386
phf: ha, stator build on openbsd i386
assbot: Logged on 29-06-2015 04:05:44; *: BingoBoingo will likely attempt stator build on OpenBSD soon
BingoBoingo spent some time dicking around with it when did OpenBSD 0.7.2 -ish build
BingoBoingo will likely attempt stator build on OpenBSD soon ☟︎
scoopbot_revived: OpenBSD Moving sudo to Ports http://qntra.net/2015/06/openbsd-moving-sudo-to-ports/
gribble: Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/>; Romanian Bitcoin baron 'stumps up $20k to keep OpenBSD's lights ...: <http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/01/20/openbsd_bailed_out/>; MPEx - Bitcoin Wiki: <https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/MPEx>
pete_dushenski: in other news, i finally installed openbsd on my edgerouter !
BingoBoingo confesses, my attraction to OpenBSD is for the easy configuration and handholding
BingoBoingo: OpenBSD advantage over "Linux" plan for continuity of leadership http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-06-16/the-creator-of-linux-on-the-future-without-him
mod6: <+trinque> mod6: what's the desired result, you pop a livecd in and it installs as well as openbsd or debian does? << well, something like that. you pop-in LiveCD, follow The Foundation's ``Guide'' through the chroot process, using hardened uclibc, whatever packages we think are required to build the R.I.
trinque: mod6: what's the desired result, you pop a livecd in and it installs as well as openbsd or debian does?
mircea_popescu: mod6 you seriously proposing marrying to openbsd ?
decimation: I do admit that when I've tried openbsd I've been impressed by the presence of actual documentation
mod6: im still not sure why we're not taking a hard look at openbsd
trinque: hilarious for anyone to be lecturing openbsd on the subj
assbot: 'Re: Blob-free OpenBSD kernel needed' - MARC ... ( http://bit.ly/1cHkkjQ )
BingoBoingo: And Theo isn't even the only quality shitlord on that thread: https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&m=143357719215507&w=2
assbot: 'Re: Blob-free OpenBSD kernel needed' - MARC ... ( http://bit.ly/1JEqDBQ )
punkman: https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&m=143355112811564&w=2
BingoBoingo: custom OpenSSL malloc and its impenatrability is why OpenBSD forked LibreSSL
BingoBoingo: OpenSSH is the OpenBSD ssh implementation
BingoBoingo: Seriously. Demanded fans every ~14-16 months on nigbuntu and nao wants to move to a 6 month schedule on OpenBSD
justJanne: Read the report on OpenSEL by the OpenBSD guys. It's a whole new level of WTF
funkenstein_ dreams of running qubes on openbsd dom0
mircea_popescu: "Anonymous (not verified) OpenBSD still exists? Too bad. The world would be better without security fanboys in general. There is more to the world than security."
BingoBoingo has also not yet built OpenBSD 5.7
BingoBoingo: OpenBSD though is at its weirdest reading Loper-OS and it is recognized as C coders trying to make the safest Unix they can
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Bob Beck the OpenBSd fundraiser. Sginify though was different person, tedu
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Nah, OpenBSD has "signify" uses NACL based thing
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski trinque: http://www.nostarch.com/pf3 << The Bible on turning an OpenBSD box into its most common appliance flavor
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski> BingoBoingo think qntra would be a suitable platform for trinque's openbsd router guide ? << Would require consulting with the other equity partners on deciding if we will do how-to's or how to do them
pete_dushenski: i'm currently working on installing openbsd on an edgerouter and will publish my own guide once completed.
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo think qntra would be a suitable platform for trinque's openbsd router guide ?
BingoBoingo: Well, not a feature of OpenBSD, but their culture
BingoBoingo: <williamdunne> Any chance of a writeup on it? << A distinct feature of OpenBSD is that outside of the man pages much of the best documentation is still produced on dead trees
trinque: so I made an openbsd home router, and as far as I can tell it's actually doing its job
assbot: 15 - The OpenBSD packages and ports system ... ( http://bit.ly/1dR5Rmo )
danielpbarron: ben_vulpes, there's also something in OpenBSD http://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq15.html#dpb
BingoBoingo needs to see if minecraft client will work on OpenBSD for him
BingoBoingo: williamdunne: Also I worked so hard to chop together a kind of Bitcoin that works on OpenBSD
decimation: yeah, apparently the openbsd folks feel they can't, somehow
assbot: BSDCan2014: Porting OpenBSD on the MIPS64-based Octeon Platforms ... ( http://bit.ly/1DQCRl6 )
decimation: I don't see any updates on the openbsd octeon port
decimation: by the way the openbsd httpd doesn't support cgi, it's fastcgi
decimation: mircea_popescu: did you see openbsd 5.7 has a new http server that supports cgi
assbot: OpenBSD 5.7 ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q4pQvQ )
BingoBoingo: Oh, look at this OpenSSH change: "sshd(8): UseDNS now defaults to 'no'. Configurations that match against the client host name (via sshd_config(5) or authorized_keys) may need to re-enable it or convert to matching against addresses." http://www.openbsd.org/57.html
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Indeed. OpenBSD is GCC based and still weird on devices. Also generally weird.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: openbsd is gcc-based
BingoBoingo: They've got an OpenBSD, OpenSMTP, OpenNTP, OpenSSH, They might as well stick OpenSSL with finding a new front and themselves keep LibreSSL for confusion and lulz
Pierre_Rochard: yup, just checked, openbsd came before openssl
mod6: sorry was just messing with my openbsd wifi
BingoBoingo: Solaris 12 moving to pf as default/only firewall https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-tech&m=142822852613581&w=2
pete_dushenski: mebbe the 12-core mac pro, booted with danielpbarron's openbsd hack, will be our "muscle computer" in 30 years
asciilifeform: ;;later tell decimation before you ceremonially burn that thing, or put openbsd on it, etc. consider posting the u-boot partition to #b-a warez (talk to kakobrekla?)
mircea_popescu: "That's why I decided to make a "deblobbed" version of OpenBSD."
danielpbarron: if you're used to debian, OpenBSD isn't such a jarring experience
danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-04-2015#1089295 << OpenBSD is very easy to install, so long as you have hardware on which it is easy to install ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 02-04-2015 16:34:58; jurov: even openbsd prefers to maintain racks of obsolete hardware to running emulators
trinque: this seems to be why openbsd just has chroot, bsd has fancy jails or whatever, and now linux has Containerz (TM)
nubbins`: jurov openbsd keeps a room of shit hardware because it's expected to run on that shit hardware in the real world
asciilifeform: jurov: openbsd is solving a rather different problem, 'waltzing' it on variety of archs
jurov: even openbsd prefers to maintain racks of obsolete hardware to running emulators
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I know openbsd has a plan for governance post-Theo. The exact plans are opaque to me. It would be abberant for Beck to naturally outlive Theo, but... known unknown
assbot: Logged on 02-04-2015 02:00:00; BingoBoingo: OpenBSD has been nice to me, but weird compared to linux and as a point that displeases MP poor fundraiser Bob Beck is in their WoT
asciilifeform: (when i do the thing that requires the ada, it won't be happening on openbsd. or gentoo)
asciilifeform: or to openbsd
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: OpenBSD does not have a working ada in its ports that I could discover
decimation: my issue with openbsd is relatively poor hardware support
BingoBoingo: OpenBSD has been nice to me, but weird compared to linux and as a point that displeases MP poor fundraiser Bob Beck is in their WoT
BingoBoingo: trinque: Best contrast I can find to OpenBSD. Gentoo is pure (theoretical)Linus-linux. Slowaris and OpenBSD are both... different
BingoBoingo: <trinque> that imo is the killer feature << Portage seems too much a user friendly feature for OpenBSD. They have features, but avoid the kind that attract users with "easy"
BingoBoingo: trinque> anyone ever tried portage on openbsd? << port are supported and pkg_src are supported porting portage to my knowledge is a work in progress or abandonware
assbot: Gentoo Linux Documentation-- Installing Gentoo/OpenBSD ... ( http://bit.ly/1GJTZO3 )
trinque: https://wwwold.gentoo.org/proj/en/gentoo-alt/bsd/obsd/doc/gentoo-openbsd.xml?style=printable
trinque: anyone ever tried portage on openbsd?
BingoBoingo: <mod6> You think that gentoo would be better than openbsd? << Not better, just vastly different targets
BingoBoingo: mod6: Sure. Gentoo is still at its heart Linux. As best as I can tell having lived with it as sole OS for a few months OpenBSD compared to linux is more of an exotica like HP/UX or Slowaris.
mod6: You think that gentoo would be better than openbsd?
thestringpuller: I really need to run OpenBSD soon just to start learning it.
gribble: gcc-local(1) - OpenBSD: <http://www.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/man.cgi?query=gcc-local&sektion=1>; 2 - Getting to know OpenBSD: <http://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq2.html>; OpenBSD 5.5: <http://www.openbsd.org/55.html>
BingoBoingo: ;;google openbsd.org gcc man
gribble: New Compiler Capabilities: -fstack-shuffle and Return Value Guards: <http://www.undeadly.org/cgi?action=article&sid=20140507100510&mode=flat>; BSD Licensed PCC Compiler Imported - OpenBSD Journal: <http://undeadly.org/cgi?action=article&sid=20070915195203&pid=52>; Developer Blog: Large Piece of PIE - OpenBSD Journal: <http://www.undeadly.org/cgi?action=article&sid=20081117202731>
BingoBoingo: <mod6> asciilifeform: huh. im not sure what'd that be. i did a lot of testing on amd64, ever saw that error. i did see something similar just now though on openbsd, but i suspect that something totally different because, well, openbsd. << I'll go on the record as saying OpenBSD should not be considered "gold standard" unix in the way gentoo is. OpenBSD goes way out of its way to prevent user from hanging self.
mod6: the build im trying to work through on openbsd uses like (I can't remember off the top of my head) 4.2.x or something
mod6: asciilifeform: huh. im not sure what'd that be. i did a lot of testing on amd64, ever saw that error. i did see something similar just now though on openbsd, but i suspect that something totally different because, well, openbsd.
nubbins`: <+ascii_field> a virginal gentoo box is imho presently the gold standard of non-retarded computing (at least on linux. could argue with openbsd, etc) <<< if anyone reading this is at all interested in playing with .foundation releases going forward, i'd strongly encourage they fire up a VM and actually go through a fresh gentoo install. official guides are well-written and if you can't handle this step, you're not ready for monkey-football
ascii_field: a virginal gentoo box is imho presently the gold standard of non-retarded computing (at least on linux. could argue with openbsd, etc)
BingoBoingo: <mod6> good deal. im excited about a hardened version of bitcoin to run on obsd! << Just remember on obsd libressl is an option. Libressl v 2.0 syncs plays much nicer with the built in OpenBSD memory protections than OpenSSL does, those changes were the reason they forked.