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ben_vulpes: in other epic fucking lulz, us customs and border handed down a 10MM penalty for violating the Jones Act

mircea_popescu: that we look down at people with "lower" standards ? that we deem "lower" == "absent" ?

shinohai: Q: who here in this circle-jerk sycophant orgy supports the delusion of ideal money, given that Buttcoin is an anti-fragile standard top-down controlled by whales? Ideal for whom? No need to wait for the lulz."

ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-04#1636874 << directly relevant. afaict, producing a transaction with trb code boils down to making a 'ctransaction' with 'vin's shaped per the constructor http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/main.h?v=wires_rev1#0261 ☝︎

ben_vulpes: sez right there she'd be down

a111: Logged on 2017-03-31 18:09 mircea_popescu: actually i was thinking, im not going to hold another conference, because it's just not a sane opsec proposition. however, one fellow at a time coming down for a week or somesuch is more than tenable. what's airfare, fiddy bux ? pack up the missus an' come say hi.

phf: i didn't understand previous sentence, so i refuse to be led down a path towards a trap :p

trinque: hm, possibly. though it's also possible I trust two separate paths down the v-tree for that

asciilifeform: beta will go a mile like mircea_popescu will sit down in his chair and go through the floor and into china sea.

ben_vulpes: well yes i'm familiar with how the bits are laid down, but i am less familiar with how trb handles it internally

asciilifeform: the down side is obvious:

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the outlined plan was to read it, pare it down for the function contemplated, compile it with itself etc.

asciilifeform: incidentally the folx who designed ada, read thompson's paper. and immediately acted. which is why in ada you get 'driving stick'-style control over the compiler, the order in which it puts down routines, and data structures during 'elaboration', and can leave bread crumbs for manual binary auditor (yes) to look for when he compares (yes) binaries built on different systems for same rocket. ☟︎

phf: you introduce the hack in the original compiler that you used to compile tcc. the original compiler, having prior knowledge of the chain, or some arbitrary compilation of chains, will ensure that the first tcc you get will propagate the hack further down

mircea_popescu: i seriously don't see the problem with "i trust this pared down version of tcc - it builds a very slow blob but it does build it - and these tools which i read myself"

phf: sitting down to "write the great american novel" as a the pure case of that

trinque: hell obama might go down as nixon 2.0 at this point.

danielpbarron: i also got OpenBSD on iMac G3 and G5 but they aren't as nice. the G3 i gave up before getting a windows manager, and the G5 has too-new hardware that assumes you run OSX or whatever, the most annoying of which being the fan that defaults to full-throttle unless told to slow down

shinohai: "If you prefer a grittier vibe, you can put down roots at Potrero 1010, where you can see (and hear) the traffic on I-280 rattle away beneath your window."

mod6: She was straight up sawing down trees for this stuff.

mircea_popescu: seems it peaked at 550 confirmed cases in august 2016 and is down to ~50 suspected cases by feb.

mircea_popescu: may be a problem down by the beach ? (humans live way up in the mountain here)

mircea_popescu: actually i was thinking, im not going to hold another conference, because it's just not a sane opsec proposition. however, one fellow at a time coming down for a week or somesuch is more than tenable. what's airfare, fiddy bux ? pack up the missus an' come say hi. ☟︎☟︎

shinohai: http://imgur.com/a/VVGLN <<< For any anorexic Bitcoiners reading the logs and needing a barf without sticking a finger down throat ....

mircea_popescu: it was kinda-cute in the sense of "he's my retarded cousin, it's not his fault he has down syndrome" ten years ago.

trinque having network troubles, slowing me down

asciilifeform: it was a general-purpose thing that compiled down to x86.

trinque: no such thing as a "rust machine" or "golang machine" but lets not dwell on the fact that there's a machine down there too long.

pete_dushenski: but both failed criteria 1 and 2. weren't cheap and kept breaking down (unless you think 'practical' is 'big boot', which imo is insufficient)

phf: everything down to the engine

asciilifeform: ( modern lizards, i picture, understood -- correctly -- that if these bovines didn't take to arms and burn down the capital when crops were burned in the '30s -- they certainly won't revolt today. )

Framedragger: it *could* be that it's because asciilifeform nicely noted down a dollar value on the parcel but then if he didn't he'd technically be breaking some law or another i'm sure

mircea_popescu: the difference is palpable, too. me in computer store, sits down in char. "can i buy this ?" "uh... it's the display..." "you have no others ?" "brb i'll check"

mircea_popescu: consider eg a * b > a + b. this is basically cauchy pared down. that there's no direct path from one to the other is the only last nail of hope (but mp, just because we've not found yet why it's fundamental doesn't prove it isn't. sure.)

mircea_popescu: the notion, in the abstract, of POE seems splendidly meaningful to excplain cognitive evolutionarily ; but any attempt to pin it down in practice went ~nowhere afaik.

Framedragger: i'm sure that down south they'd also patronisingly stare at you if you dared smoke a cigarette in a park. the scottish at least tend to give less of a fuck, but still a nanny state 100%

Framedragger: no snow! it's actually spring here (or well, was yesterday lol, good enough for a nice picnic), and ~here~ is scotland, down south could be even better

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-28#1632948 << technically there is a reindex, for node that shut down clean (ie, didn't trash the bdb temp stores) ☝︎

mircea_popescu: takes a jack warner to build a company and a carly fiorina to burn it down.

trinque: kids take down teachers with the SJW nonsense all the time

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: mimisbrunnr down ?

deedbot: http://www.contravex.com/2017/03/25/down-by-law/ << » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - Down by Law.

ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: had a few amusing scenarios for how 'ubi' might play out: "massive army", "un camps, did you know they've got refugee camps down to the point where it costs 1200 us/year to mostly keep them from killing each other?", "genocide" etc

shinohai remembers when reddit did a ubi "experiment" that gave PENNIES in Bitcoin to schmucks, was shut down by Ellen Pao

trinque: you keep wanting to drag me to a point that's easily knocked down; it wont happen

mircea_popescu: micro-mp used to spend so much time staring down early displays o brother.

mircea_popescu: gotta love the "routine" device of the SOPS also. "john smith, why did you wait in a black van behind the highschool for the cheerleaders to come out, then chased one down, stripped her naked, tied her and took her to your van ?" "oh, i ALWAYS DO THIS!"

asciilifeform: well, starting with the crown jewels , and down : ☟︎

asciilifeform: in egregiously-infested places they actually build massive wrought iron fences to keep'em from crossing in random spots and slowing down traffic for miles

danielpbarron: i don't slow down for 'em

trinque: can speed right down the middle of the highway

Framedragger: mircea_popescu: yeah, server went down, and now need to fix stuff. will do

mircea_popescu: but rare indeed is the computerhead who will sit down and compare the time "improvement" takes to implement CORRECTLY, AND MAINTAIN ; vs the time it actually saves.

mircea_popescu: in the same vein : new dork (at least i've not seen him before) with apparent delusions of "management" at place i normally frequent. i tell him to bring me a dozen empanadas para llevar. he... didn't understand, at first, then on second pass told me to go to "the different counter", then got invited to go search for his mother's cunt, which rendered him apoplectic. /me went to other place down the street he also frequents, g

asciilifeform: somehow i suspect that when mircea_popescu gets into an airplane, he would like to find that it has triply- or higher- redundant avionics system, rather than 'oh it is redundant because if this one goes down, there will be another plane, with some other bloke in it, some other day, dun worry.'

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform anyway, they COULD NOT enjoy life as chicken handlers, because they'd do dumb shit. there's a reason situation with 1k droolers with chicken coop 20 chickens each turned into 1 chicken farm, 20k chickens, designed by 1, ran by 10, and 989 droolers on ipads waiting for the counter to count down.

ben_vulpes: upstack, trinque asciilifeform y'figure the g5's will only take a bsd? i've got a pile of links for 'linux on g5', but have yet to start sucking the spittoon down. would rather know if actually impossible up front.

trinque: ah I could see the same thing as turkey and EU with mexico down the road

trinque: aha, meanwhile americans wilt when a building comes down

Framedragger: mod6: fwiw i agree completely. the key point here is (as you said) *noting it down* (including dead-ends). so yeah, afaict you're on the very right track here. i wonder, does the current system need complex massaging to be able to track things like that? i mean, you can add tickets, but i guess no way for them to have a *list* of notes (per ticket)

mircea_popescu: now simmer down, you're gonna do something in the mbps range, which is what we're talking about.

a111: Logged on 2017-03-13 16:49 asciilifeform: !~later tell phf i was thinking' of buying that 'ivory' and making a signal interposer . any idea whether the magic cpu was soldered down, or LIF socketed..?

mircea_popescu: the problem, however, is that under the skin-deep "kid is fine", his passive genetics have seriously weakened. if he lives as part of a larger population that does this, a few generations down the road genetic decay manifests and there's literally no hope -- the population will either move to exogamy or die out. ☟︎

pete_dushenski: in other slips and falls, here's an exhaustive list of all the programs / agencies set to be cut down to size in the trumpreich : http://archive.is/GxHR5

asciilifeform: it's ~100% if it actually goes down the gullet everyday.

davout: which is basically what everything that has been said regarding pruning boiled down to

asciilifeform: trinque, no, 'to eat the fish AND to sit down on the cock'

mircea_popescu: davout because who the fuck are you and why do i have to take your word and if your house burns down what do you do.

asciilifeform: davout: carefully read this routine and follow the calls all the way down, or this thread will make ~0 sense

asciilifeform: looks like it describes exactly the scenario in this thread. and wuille sat down with his handler and asked, 'how do we 'solve' this but without actually solving it? hmm'

mircea_popescu: well, you can either try to replicate this, if you wish, irl, or else show a case in blockchain where it happened, after 2011, or else simmer down and keep digging.

mircea_popescu: let's see the practical consequence where you simmer the fuck down and stop oversignalling by a factor of fifty trillion ONCE!!! in your life! one ounce work ten bushels sky is falling good god.

ben_vulpes: !!down BU_lulz

BU_lulz: just the fact that their was a bug in their protocol that brought down 90% of their nodes

Framedragger: danielpbarron: iirc there's a scheme down there which allows for this, etc.

asciilifeform: (i.e. ~any~ proper, 1MB, bitcoin block can be made to sit down in no more than a 2MB-sized bottle such that indexing of its components becomes an O(1) operation.)

Framedragger: lol guardian strikes again pete_dushenski "Even then someone at The Guardian tried (unsuccessfully) to tone down my letter by showing that it was some type of *disagreement* with what *I* said, not a correction of their misrepresentation"

asciilifeform: !~later tell phf i was thinking' of buying that 'ivory' and making a signal interposer . any idea whether the magic cpu was soldered down, or LIF socketed..? ☟︎

mircea_popescu: and in "creative punishment for when she leaves the seat down" : http://68.media.tumblr.com/a3df8a95aba72f77c3dd84453d8e0201/tumblr_nit6o4adp71tgdz6ro1_400.gif

Framedragger: trinque: not trying to redeem it any longer, at all, simmer down (but you were right.)

asciilifeform: naggum was afaik the first to formally write down this observation, in his perl essays

asciilifeform: eeeevery single fucking time i sit down and assume that shitoshi did the obvious, simple, correct thing, and build a hypothetical on ~that~, i later open the binder and find that -- guess what

asciilifeform: meanwhile, opened the binder of horrors, with trb src, and found some lulz, which is actually what i sat down at the terminal to share:

a111: Logged on 2017-03-10 16:57 asciilifeform: btw i will also put down in the log, one very simple possible algorithm for a 'txidx-fs' :

a111: Logged on 2017-03-08 23:57 asciilifeform: this isn't the only 1 on the net, either, i found several, they bought lispms, one took hundreds of photos of himself 'hipstering' near it, then one final one where it (??!) burned down

asciilifeform: this includes dks, incidentally, who wouldn't even answer my mail after my lab closed down

mircea_popescu: Framedragger well you pared it down to ~2 caches, not so bad.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform always worth hounding down in my experience.

asciilifeform: (i sat down with the ext4 thing and very quickly came to the conclusion that it, and every other konsoomer fs, is 'pessimized' for our specific scenario)

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-10#1624375 << confirmed, this is safe. just don't issue the -0 before it hd a chance to settle down. ☝︎

Framedragger: mircea_popescu: but if you read further down, we were saying that it may be possible to just access a raw block device without kernel module :)

trinque: on the subj, still waiting for my node to shut down to connect the wire to dulap

asciilifeform: say we put down blocks on 1024 byte alignments.

asciilifeform: btw i will also put down in the log, one very simple possible algorithm for a 'txidx-fs' : ☟︎☟︎☟︎

asciilifeform: let's put down in the log, what exactly ye olde bdb does, that eats 99+% of trb's wall clock:

mircea_popescu: well, the "great race" aha this run to the pacific by russia and the uk settled down eventually with the brits holding india and the russians holding siberia. afghanistan-buffer state.

mircea_popescu: NO IDEA whatsoever of that most fundamental concept of analysis, which is to say "i can write chicken scribblings down and answer FOR A FACTY whether point q is equal to point p"

phf: and i will double down on "never amount to anything", even if to the bulk of those people busy activity might feel very meaningful. "i'm watching netflix, it's important to relax!" etc.

a111: Logged on 2017-02-19 15:51 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-20#1507131 << in related news, gbyers, the original systems guru of ccl, who responded to every "modernization" attempt with "sure, if you can explain me what's the point" stepped down. within a day, clozure cl was moved to github, with current list of "issues" https://github.com/Clozure/ccl/issues. in case anyone was wondering "what happens when linus steps down"