tmsr - Log 2017-03-30

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-29#1634548 << ~moar~ time, lol ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2017-03-29 23:42 asciilifeform: less time than many folx in, e.g., ru, do for murder.

phf: https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2017/03/28/new-toronto-institute-aims-to-be-worldwide-supplier-of-artificial-intelligence-capability.html

phf: i think i should go back to just pasting titles tho ☟︎

asciilifeform: 'Italy could soon offer menstrual leave Parliament is considering a bill that, if approved, would require employers to grant women three days of paid leave every month.' << from same rag

asciilifeform: 'TTC delays launch of anti-harassment app The "Safe TTC" app will allow passengers to report harassment, assault, vandalism, and other offences.' << from same rag..

asciilifeform: pretty great.

trinque: I'd thought that perhaps coke machines are what patrol looking for folks outside their VR wombs.

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-29#1634383 << i lollered. ftr, baroul suceava = the bar association of suceava county. ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2017-03-29 21:43 asciilifeform: http://188.27.236.125/baroul-suceava.ro >> 'Avocatura este tot atat de veche ca si magistratura, tot atat de

ben_vulpes: menstrual leave!

ben_vulpes: amazing

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-29#1634411 << this is a lulzy notion. if you could hedge against such a wonder, the lido'd still be a thing. ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2017-03-29 22:02 ben_vulpes: phf: not ideological, financial! you can hedge against devaluation. what is the hedge against moar taxes?

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-29#1634418 << called sterilization of currency. especially relevant when you know, foreign devils show up with botload of gold. ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2017-03-29 22:15 asciilifeform: but there was that old mircea_popescu thread. where, approx, 'a dollar usg collects from mr.pleb in tax isn't so that usg can spend a dollar, it can spend $trillion, or ten, without collecting anything; it collects the dollar because otherwise mr.pleb will use it to bid up turkeys'

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-29#1634443 << pretty sure you can buy that ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2017-03-29 22:51 phf: zaporozhets

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-29#1634476 << you'd much enjoy cairo. ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2017-03-29 23:05 asciilifeform: and then re-flatten old one - with hammer, on anvil.

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-29#1634483 << boats actually GAIN value in about 1/3 of their years. ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2017-03-29 23:08 ben_vulpes: modern car loses 90% of value after 5 years and 100kmi, an industrial piece like a freightliner loses at most 70% after a decade and A MILLION MILES

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2014-03-04#546042 re http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-29#1634489 ☝︎☝︎

a111: Logged on 2014-03-04 22:05 mircea_popescu: which means, concrete foundation, brick walls

a111: Logged on 2017-03-29 23:10 asciilifeform: lessee if mircea_popescu recalls, when he wakesup

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-29#1634495 << to be beaten into a pulp for being the obnoxious sort of fag who'd bitch at djb about someone touching him / listen to depeche mode / etcetera... ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2017-03-29 23:13 asciilifeform: ( speaking even strictly of technologies, not even touching on subjs such as children free to walk around on their own, to make explosives, etc )

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-29#1634515 << well this is certainly a damn sight better than "coding" ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2017-03-29 23:26 ben_vulpes: https://assets.wired.com/photos/w_1058/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/amirtaaki.jpg

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-29#1634530 << all i can say is doh, as well as http://btcbase.org/log/2016-01-12#1368457 ☝︎☝︎

a111: Logged on 2017-03-29 23:32 ben_vulpes: and in other wonders of "ai": http://boingboing.net/2017/03/29/countermeasures-are-a-thing.html

a111: Logged on 2016-01-12 19:24 mircea_popescu: as someone once said, "their tricks work for them only a short distance of their run, and for us the whole run."

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-29#1634535 << because he lived off the overgenerous uk dole his entire life. ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2017-03-29 23:38 CompanionCube: why would you want to to the *UK* for that

mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2017/stop-being-so-fucking-poor/ very deeply fucking related.

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-30#1634562 << in that case at least. ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2017-03-30 00:08 phf: i think i should go back to just pasting titles tho

BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> phf: and plastic car, etc << Plastic car's not so bad. When plastic fails replace with metal and slowly get metal car

BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> ben_vulpes: speaking of which, tell me, how come i can't buy a car where if it dents, i can just take off a panel and put in new one ? << I have exactly this fucking thing. Also most incidents that would dent metal don't dent.

mircea_popescu: https://www.hdevalence.ca/blog/2016-05-28-capitalism-and-arithmetic-and-casting-out-nines << item that convinces the wise curve25519 is utterly unsafe.

BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> and then re-flatten old one - with hammer, on anvil. << Oh, there's the catch

BingoBoingo probably ought to update section in his copy of L-Series Haynes manual on "special connectors" with up to date "special connectors.

mod6: this mso1104Z-s is pretty sweet

shinohai: You got it in already mog? o.O

shinohai: * mod6

mod6: yuuup

mod6: ima have to dig in a bit tomorrow.

pete_dushenski: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-29#1634474 << what you really want is http://cdn2.autoexpress.co.uk/sites/autoexpressuk/files/styles/gallery_adv/public/0/63/4_8_0_0_0.jpg?itok=9Yt1kgFK http://goautomedia.cdn.on.net/gallery/citroen/c4%20cactus/HIRES-Citroen%20Cactus%20003.jpg a citroen! ☝︎☟︎☟︎

a111: Logged on 2017-03-29 23:05 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: speaking of which, tell me, how come i can't buy a car where if it dents, i can just take off a panel and put in new one ?

pete_dushenski: not for sale in north america but you probably already guessed that it's a shithole anyways

pete_dushenski: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-29#1634483 << ubercheap lease rates are actually predicated on absurdly high residuals and so are resulting in cars that are losing only 40% after 3 years. this is a bigger problem in the states than, say, uk. but still an increasingly noticeable phenomenon for manufacturers and dealers to prop up new sales figures in the face of a secular decline in interest. ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2017-03-29 23:08 ben_vulpes: modern car loses 90% of value after 5 years and 100kmi, an industrial piece like a freightliner loses at most 70% after a decade and A MILLION MILES

pete_dushenski: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-29#1633653 << heh. exactly this. i thought these kids and their 'bitcoin embassy' died in 2013. apparently still around doing who knows the fuck what. having 'meetups' with increasingly aged and decrepit demographics no doubt. ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2017-03-29 06:33 mircea_popescu: "we represent the whole world*!!!" * as understood by whatever 3rd echelon bureaucrat in the us dept of our democracy that "handles" "canada".

pete_dushenski: in other sanities, having a business dispute ? don't look to the fiat bureacracy for help http://archive.is/AHtKB ("In Brooklyn’s Kosher Pizza War, Modern Tastes Battle Ancient Law")

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-30#1634606 << nonsense. i see 1) curved panels 2) not held on with external bolts ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2017-03-30 03:34 pete_dushenski: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-29#1634474 << what you really want is http://cdn2.autoexpress.co.uk/sites/autoexpressuk/files/styles/gallery_adv/public/0/63/4_8_0_0_0.jpg?itok=9Yt1kgFK http://goautomedia.cdn.on.net/gallery/citroen/c4%20cactus/HIRES-Citroen%20Cactus%20003.jpg a citroen!

pete_dushenski: but no dents, you see

asciilifeform: i see places where you could dent it.

asciilifeform: and it'll stay dented.

asciilifeform: so snore.

asciilifeform: the hypothetical subj would look something like a t34 ☟︎

pete_dushenski: this is like seeing girl with freckly "see pete, not perfect!"

asciilifeform: not a frufru shitmobile.

pete_dushenski: freckle*

pete_dushenski: so buy t34. metal. whatyouwant.

asciilifeform: well, more btr than t

asciilifeform: but you get the idea.

pete_dushenski: oh but you want to afford it ? well, buy citroen

asciilifeform: flat iron sheets.

pete_dushenski: not for plebs like us, sorry. golden toilet budget only.

asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: whole point would be to piss on the fashionista faggotry and get a cheap, practical, repairable (yes, they lied to you, CAN have all 3) machine.

pete_dushenski: cheap ironmobile ? lolz

pete_dushenski: this is planet3, yes ?

pete_dushenski: there aren't enough alfs on this rock for cheap ironmobiles with 'all 3'

pete_dushenski: some scale (and assembly) required

asciilifeform: su cars -- were of iron. ☟︎

asciilifeform: just like old american ones.

pete_dushenski: but both failed criteria 1 and 2. weren't cheap and kept breaking down (unless you think 'practical' is 'big boot', which imo is insufficient)

pete_dushenski: not cheap because leveraged resources of two world war winning titans of industry and their very concerted efforts to placate masses. today, bits on facesnap suffice.

pete_dushenski: cheap is always relative, not absolute.

asciilifeform: what, in pete_dushenski's view, means 'cheap' ? falls from sky ?

pete_dushenski: um. less expensive than alternative.

pete_dushenski: and in yours ?

asciilifeform: 'inexpensive after you kill the shysters who supplied the defective false alternatives'

pete_dushenski: aha. so yours is really 'cheap in future ideal world' and mine is cheap rfn.

pete_dushenski: makes sense.

pete_dushenski: so i'll drive citroen and you can drive dreams!

asciilifeform: generally i try to avoid drive.

asciilifeform: it is a chore.

pete_dushenski: no doubt about that. frozen prairies are same in this regard as dc swamplandia.

asciilifeform: not a chore because plastic panels, no. but -- chore. ☟︎

pete_dushenski: you probably already know this but it's awfully hard to take your 'snore this' and 'kindergarten that' seriously when you move the goalposts so. but it's still fun trying to pin the lubed eel, don't get me wrong.

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-30#1634620 << pretty sure outside bolts not street legal. ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2017-03-30 03:54 asciilifeform: the hypothetical subj would look something like a t34

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-30#1634635 << yes, but volga also went about 10 miles on the gas toyota does the full 100. ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2017-03-30 03:59 asciilifeform: su cars -- were of iron.

mircea_popescu: anyway, one wonders what alf'd do for boob implants. "wtf silicone doc, GIMME LAVA!!!1"

mircea_popescu: "How will it stay hot ?" "Whipping!"

pete_dushenski: for outside bolts, no jurisdiction afaik seems to take issue with bolt-on fender flares, eg. http://b.cdnbrm.com/images/products/rell/fender_trim/1974_bushwacker_fender_flares_pocket_style_2010_f150.jpg

BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: But those bolts are RECESSED!

Framedragger: kek https://www.postgresql.org/message-id/CAASwCXdQUiuUnhycdRvrUmHuzk5PsaGxr54U4t34teQjcjb%3DAQ%40mail.gmail.com ☟︎

trinque: ty mircea_popescu

trinque: thing appeared to be ping/ponging with somebody, but in limbo

mircea_popescu: aha here we go!

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-30#1634660 << "My motivation is primarily I don't want to learn all the over-complicated details of C, but at the same time I would like to be productive in a safe system language, a category in which Rust seems to be alone." ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2017-03-30 09:43 Framedragger: kek https://www.postgresql.org/message-id/CAASwCXdQUiuUnhycdRvrUmHuzk5PsaGxr54U4t34teQjcjb%3DAQ%40mail.gmail.com

mircea_popescu: case fucking closed.

mircea_popescu: " My name is Joel Jacobson. I’ve been using PostgreSQL almost every day since 2002. Recently, I started getting involved in the community around this fantastic RDBMS."

mircea_popescu: they're mentally retarded, there's no two ways about it. people who are in their 20s/30s today and were parented by the idiots and imbeciles in their 40s and 50s and 60s are simply and irretrievably retarded.

mircea_popescu: for that matter, when the fuck did a COMPUTER LANGUAGE, ie, a language you can program the machine in, become a "systems language" ? why, to make room for javascript being a language ? it ain't a fucking language, it's a scripting language which means jack-all.

mircea_popescu: fucking decay of idiocy, they want to turn the nodes-notnodes binome into fullnodes-nodes ? if you don't verify blocks you're not a node, if you can't program the machine it's not a language etc. holy shit.

Framedragger: for posterity, rust does have things like raw pointers (and no gc), etc.; but the kommunity around it is at this point perhaps ~insufferable, much like the javascript hipster legions. which is not a point to be ignored

deedbot: http://trilema.com/2017/the-pisspots/ << Trilema - The Pisspots

mircea_popescu: i'm not saying "rust is bad mmkay". i couldn't care less, there's been tons of "new languages" fulfilling the need of people to "revolutionize". they all work, exactly in the way custom pliers work. ☟︎

mircea_popescu: i'm not buying custom pliers, and the pretense of the custom plier fans that their custom pliers ain't custom but standard is uninteresting.

mircea_popescu: this includes fucking pascal, let alone erlang, go, rust, java, you name it.

asciilifeform: meanwhile, usg decides that it only needs ~one~ GE... https://archive.is/VHvz8 << RIP westinghouse.

mircea_popescu: anyway, fucking tard. "my name is mircea_popescu ; i've been using chairs pretty much every day since the late 70s, and recently i started getting involved in this fantastic chair community"

asciilifeform: also mircea_popescu the 'rust' link simply gotta be a parody

mircea_popescu: i do not believe so.

asciilifeform: it simply ain't believable

trinque: oh?

mircea_popescu: it seems entirely plain to me.

asciilifeform: read like a trololol, is all.

asciilifeform: 'if all git commits could be automatically converted to Rust' for instance.

trinque: just some guy who read a bunch of hackernews and thinks he has opinions

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this is how they think.

trinque: asciilifeform: https://github.com/jameysharp/corrode << people actually do this

mircea_popescu: "automated" is a byword for "i don't have to do any work".

trinque: "people" anyway

mircea_popescu: i have nfi why they imagine this. in point of fact the system that delivers milk in a bottle so they don't have to milk their own cow is MORE complex, not less.

mircea_popescu: there's MORE work to do with automation, not less.

shinohai thinks the term "corrode" is appropriate ....

asciilifeform: trinque: that looks hilarious. do you have a copy running? try putting, say, duff's device, through it...

mircea_popescu: and it'll crash and ewedontunderstand.

trinque: nah, I don't write the stuff. just was subjected to some fat idiot prattling on about rust one night

trinque: ben_vulpes knows him

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-29#1634349 << how tru this is. because if it's sociualloy acceptable to be fat, why wouldn't it be socially acceptable to be stupid! ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2017-03-29 19:28 ben_vulpes: funny how all manifestations of modernity look alike. entertain even a smidge of wokeness and you'll wake up in trans camp.

asciilifeform: why would anybody even name a comp lang 'rust' ? how about a surgical antiseptic named 'putrescence' ? ☟︎

shinohai: lel

trinque: they like it because it's like mother telling them they followed all the rules, and didn't even have to think about it.

trinque: you just compile and you're a good boy

mircea_popescu: heh

trinque: that the guy was an SJW is not unrelated

asciilifeform: trinque: what means 'compile and you're a good boy' ..?

asciilifeform: is it a sort of prbization of ye olde 'cyclone' ? 'let's put bounds checks in c'

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-30#1634673 << this is a terrible libel to custom pliers -- who do not randomly morph into liquishit in your hands, no ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2017-03-30 14:04 mircea_popescu: i'm not saying "rust is bad mmkay". i couldn't care less, there's been tons of "new languages" fulfilling the need of people to "revolutionize". they all work, exactly in the way custom pliers work.

trinque: asciilifeform: as I understand it, which is at a distance, they added an extra type system, concurrency tools, and memory management for phree, and decided this needed its own syntax

trinque: the social commentary regards creatures who are addicted to pats on the head. whatever the supposed technical merits of the thing, they are not what guys like the one in that thread care about.

trinque: in re: "systems programming language" it's a way of retconning C into a category with many possible members defined by "I am very smart, and could, you know, build an operating system in this"

trinque: no such thing as a "rust machine" or "golang machine" but lets not dwell on the fact that there's a machine down there too long.

asciilifeform: trinque: my current understanding is that derps say 'system language' when what is meant is 'has something that passes for a x86 compiler, and a c ffi'

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i will also nitpick : 'erlang' does not belong in the list, it was a 1980s product that worked quite well in its industrial niche (large telco switches) but was later stolen and used as a totem by the folx from yesterday's thread ( http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-29#1633873 ) ☝︎☟︎☟︎

a111: Logged on 2017-03-29 15:28 mircea_popescu: there's no utility involved. suburban ustard wears item because of ~how it makes her feel~ to ~be seen~ as ~being one of the~ rather than any use.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform industrial niche = scripting language.

asciilifeform: but it wasn't a scripting language.

mircea_popescu: lua also worked well in its industrial niche ; dob isn't that much of a consideration imo

mircea_popescu: and why not ?

asciilifeform: it was a general-purpose thing that compiled down to x86.

asciilifeform: (and several other archs.)

mircea_popescu: i can compile javascript to bytecode. what's that prove ?

trinque: queues and workers and restart upon failure didn't need a syntax

mircea_popescu: "its industrial niche" === scripting language.

trinque: somebody gave it one because wheeee

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: not to bytecode, not to forth-style threadedcode. had actual optimizing compiler, like gcc.

asciilifeform: with actual backend.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'scripting language' has a meaning.

mircea_popescu: then perhaps i am mistaken and indeed it doesn't belong in that list.

mircea_popescu: can't say i spent all that much time investigating.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: you almost certainly don't need it.

trinque: llvm can compile js to native code. now what?

asciilifeform: trinque: if you weld wings to a trabant, it could, theoretically, take off. does not make 'airplane'.

asciilifeform: airplane -- is designed.

mircea_popescu: in principle anything that can be run can be compiled, this isn't a matter. the question to you alf is, that "actual optimizing compiler, like gcc", is it WRITTEN IN ERLANG ?

mircea_popescu: ie, does this alleged non-scripting-language bootstrap ?

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the 1st one, funnily, was in... prolog! 2nd -- erlang.

mircea_popescu: cuz that's what language means. has, or at least could have, self universe.

mircea_popescu: well ok then.

asciilifeform not an erlang user. but did read the 1990 b00k from ericsson. ☟︎☟︎

asciilifeform: or where was it.

asciilifeform: sorta funny bit, actually, the original, THIN, book, is ~unobtainable;

asciilifeform: (it has useful examples from telecom systems)

asciilifeform: the only one you can buy today, is from the hipsters.

asciilifeform: with wwwcrapolade.

mircea_popescu: aha

asciilifeform: anyway erlang is imho only worth discussing as part of a larger pattern -- industry after industry independently discovered that c -- and its entire approach to logic -- is poison ☟︎☟︎

asciilifeform: but each discoverer reacted very differently.

mircea_popescu: there is that.

mircea_popescu: very good field of industrial anthropology here.

asciilifeform: (and naturally was convinced that ~his~ cure -- was unique)

mircea_popescu: ^ that's a decent doctoral thesis you just titled.

asciilifeform: it's a thing.

asciilifeform: or would be.

trinque: they leaned in the direction exactly opposite their worst pain

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the chukchas keep finding the same flashlight in the woods, again and again and again

trinque: erlang, uptime at all costs

asciilifeform: currently 'rust' et al. decade ago -- haskell. prior -- the java people.

mircea_popescu: aha

asciilifeform: they keep finding the same flashlight ('don't use promiscuous pointers and type casts') and repaint it in various tribal colours.

asciilifeform: affixing all sorts of irrelevant 'shit bolted to the side'.

trinque: rust was written by a mozilla guy after long radiation damage working on a browser

asciilifeform: but if you scratch off the savage ochre paint etc. you can see '1958' stamped on the steel.

mircea_popescu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9f06QZCVUHg

mircea_popescu: "Me and some guys from school had a band and we tried real hard. Jimmy quit, Jody got married, shoulda known, we'd never get far."

mircea_popescu: idiots without a culture and without a history. "we found that lantern in the woods, and boy, those were the best days of chuka life!!1"

asciilifeform: well they ~were~ 'best days', it was a thing that they could not, in thousand years, produce

mircea_popescu: no argument.

asciilifeform: trinque: erlang wasn't simply about 'uptime', or even 'no pointer arithmetic', it also was the only case i know of where process migration actually worked ☟︎☟︎

trinque: that is about uptime.

asciilifeform: as in, you could shuffle a ~task~ (not even entire proggy) between machines, cleanly.

trinque: yes, I'm aware

trinque: point was in each case the design is biased *away*

asciilifeform: trinque: elaborate

mod6: mornin'!

asciilifeform: hey mod6

mod6: how goes?

trinque: asciilifeform: biased away from the problem that hurt their business most

trinque: and not built outward from first principles about computing

asciilifeform: trinque: to put it in context, we're speaking of roughly 1990, and the smouldering thermonuke crater where the folx who 'built from first principles' (symbolics) used to be , was still smoking

trinque: fits my argument rather well

asciilifeform: it does

trinque having network troubles, slowing me down

trinque: whole industry was traumatized *by that*

asciilifeform: it was a time of 'commodification' and 'deskilling'

trinque: as each individual company licked particular wounds

asciilifeform: 'whatever else, infrastructure must use cheap, fungible iron, and cheap, fungible people'

asciilifeform: this was idiocy, of a slowly lethal sort that makes radium toothpaste look quite harmless, and we are still paying for it

asciilifeform: but there it was.

mircea_popescu: trinque i can see it yeah.

trinque: hell, ~america~ is this. "we had a shitty king so ~no matter what burns~ no 'king'"

mircea_popescu: misconstrued circumstantial constraints, "we're a business, we don't have the time to fix the world" "oh, those guys failed, we gotta '''learn''' from their experience" etc

mircea_popescu: trinque the king wasn't in any sense shitty, mind. you familiar with the tea story, yes ?

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: or (as discussed by naggum), what is worse, 'we will learn from the Success! of microshit'

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform aha. quite.

mircea_popescu: trinque http://trilema.com/2014/leonard-cohen-and-what-his-unhappy-life-can-teach-us/#selection-149.0-173.421 for your convenience.

trinque: mircea_popescu: I am, but from a particular perspective, I'm sure

Framedragger: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-30#1634740 << for logs - original erlang demo with phones (you've probably seen this alf): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xrIjfIjssLE ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2017-03-30 14:41 asciilifeform not an erlang user. but did read the 1990 b00k from ericsson.

asciilifeform: Framedragger: believe or not -- never seen

mircea_popescu: kindergarten had a power outage one day.

Framedragger: quite nice. dunno the year but old.

Framedragger: (ericsson labs)

asciilifeform: Framedragger: imho it is a mistake to make such a piece. folx who did not appreciate it from the b00k, had no business touching it.

mircea_popescu: lol

mircea_popescu recasts this statgement about pr0n.

asciilifeform: there was nothing inherently graphical about erlang (it did not come with a bolix-style editor, or any similar exotica)

Framedragger: mircea_popescu: telecoms multinational but you'll see w/e, so w/e

mircea_popescu: nono i was talking about "imho it is a mistake to make such a piece. folx who did not appreciate it from the b00k, had no business touching it"

Framedragger: ah - yeah, can't disagree with that

Framedragger: s/see/say

asciilifeform: Framedragger: iirc at one time ericsson tried to productize erlang.

mircea_popescu: i know what fucking ericsson was tyvm.

mircea_popescu: pesky upstarts that were competing with my motorola brick!

Framedragger: :)

mircea_popescu: and in other engineering and programming and changing the world and social justice news, http://suzannesangels.blogspot.com/2007/09/hommage-to-moira.html

asciilifeform: dafuq's that

mircea_popescu: i can tell you, but you sure you want to know ?

asciilifeform: it looks vaguely familiar

mircea_popescu: well, scum. how distinct can it get.

asciilifeform realizes that it was the thing from the 2014 piece linked earlier, that he had reread last wk.

Framedragger: asciilifeform: (aha seems to have been the case. opensorest in 1998)

deedbot: http://trilema.com/2017/the-prodigal-son/ << Trilema - The Prodigal Son

Framedragger: (ah sorry, client buffered and repeated msg)

Framedragger: not enough memory protection

mircea_popescu: anyway : the nedeflorena looking character on the left is some wanna-be poet, ie unmarrigeable and unskilled but by now too old boring female. the other one is an ambitious sort, trying to make money by selling crap, in this case vegan food. she's at some point a decade ago briefly attempted to exploit for pr reasons this mentally deranged cat lady suzanne-something, who claims to be the "suzanne feeds you oranges" in leonard

mircea_popescu: cohen's song.

mircea_popescu: a whole increngatura.

mircea_popescu: http://bp0.blogger.com/_FCIvnfPtELA/RwLMQUgD9fI/AAAAAAAAABw/Li0PRtyDOqU/s320/suzanne+and+sweat+pea.JPG picrelated lmao

trinque: sweat pea << loller

mircea_popescu: what, you gotta know how to spell to be a poetess ?!?!

mircea_popescu: poetess you know. "fuck you, i'm a poetess!"

asciilifeform: unrelatedly, mircea_popescu : ...colombia ?

mircea_popescu: not colombia asciilifeform.

asciilifeform: damn

trinque: reminds me of junior high, some slut gets ahold of my AIM handle. hers is SweatAngle something

trinque did not explore that dungeon

mircea_popescu: whoa.

mircea_popescu: ok, so, in junior high, this friend confessed to me (under the strictest confidence!!! which i've not to date betrayed, either. totally forgot it)

mod6: "an adventurer is you!'

mircea_popescu: that whenever we do pe she has this urge to go lick the sweat off guys' chests

trinque: lol

mircea_popescu: there may be something to this whole sweat angle!

trinque: clearly moar than one out there

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: androstenone

mircea_popescu: at that age ?!

mircea_popescu: besides, how'd she know.

asciilifeform: wouldn't ~know~, lol

asciilifeform: but still worx

mircea_popescu: hm.

asciilifeform: sows don't ~know~ either.

asciilifeform: ( you can buy it in spray cans..! 'boar mate')

mircea_popescu: you know you may well have something there.

asciilifeform: smells like old socks.

asciilifeform: (to a d00d)

mircea_popescu: this of course brings back to mind http://trilema.com/2011/a-cui-e-prietena-ta/

mircea_popescu: (2011 article in which mp observed that woman-in-love likes certain things of that nature, dude in comment section totally lost it.)

asciilifeform: there was also the famous shirt experiment.

mircea_popescu: the lede being "if she doesn't like how your balls smell, she dun love you."

trinque: totally true

trinque: balls, pits, whatever

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2015-04-22#1106332 << subj ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2015-04-22 02:33 ascii_lander: mircea_popescu: the one where women in differing parts of cycle were attracted to proximate histocompatibility-pattern males (prefers 'related' during pregnancy) and distant mhc. during ovulation (prefers 'unrelated' to avoid recessive zap)

trinque: the most lady-like chick out there is still a filthy primate

mircea_popescu: aha

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i believe teh "red pill community" calls this something.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i do not know what every particular chukcha calls every particular flashlight.

mircea_popescu: readily excused.

asciilifeform: entirely possible -- that they do.

mircea_popescu: i been trying to recall what it is, something alpha/beta something

mircea_popescu: obvious worst-case for google : "what is group x mislabel concept y as?"

asciilifeform: in other lulz, https://archive.is/rGR0p >> '...federal public defender Colin Fieman wanted to admit some of the Wikileaks documents into court. The idea was to bolster his argument that even with a forensic examination of the defendant's computer, it would not be possible to see whether someone else planted child pornography on the machine, because the exhibits may show the US government has "the ability to hack into a computer witho

asciilifeform: ut leaving any trace," the court filing, written by District Judge Robert J. Bryan, reads. ... In response, the Government requested that the proposed exhibits be excluded from trial because of their classified content... the Government (whether deliberately or unwittingly) confirmed the authenticity...'

mircea_popescu: lel

asciilifeform: even funnier, '...the Department of Justice is trying to retroactively seal the court filing and two others, because they apparently reference matters discussed in a portion of a transcript that is already shut-off from public view.'

mircea_popescu: hurr.

mircea_popescu: and they still expect to be taken seriously, these people ? why ? by whom ?

asciilifeform: phunphakt: all usg civil servants, of whatever description, are Officially required to pretend that unhappened leaks neverhappened

asciilifeform: this is in their employment contracts.

mircea_popescu: top soviet keks.

asciilifeform: and afaik does not exclude judges, with possible exception of speshul seekrit starchamber judge.

asciilifeform: but afaik this is the first instance of the 'YOU stole my hdd, YOU could have flipped whatever bits' defense being entered in american court.

mircea_popescu: well certainly one of the first publicized.

phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-30#1634740 << is that "Concurrent Programming in ERLANG" by armstrong? ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2017-03-30 14:41 asciilifeform not an erlang user. but did read the 1990 b00k from ericsson.

asciilifeform: phf: yes!

asciilifeform: it.

asciilifeform: 1st ed.

phf: ah, i only have 2nd edition (1996). i agree though they went downhill from there. i don't think even armstrong's next book is particularly good

phf: mircea_popescu: the pisspots story has the last paragraph repeated twice, second time untranslated

Framedragger: i thought that was somehow obscurely intentional (but didnt understand why)

phf: Meaning!

Framedragger: intension, extension

Framedragger: wonder if anyone's here read some fodor and his attempt at naturalised theory of meaning

Framedragger: /me shows himself out

Framedragger: heh someone just logged in to an old buttfinex acct. websecurity

trinque: guess the magic number was three-factor auth

shinohai: Sux Framedragger now it will be difficult for you to trade all those valuable tiddlywinks on site.

asciilifeform: in other lulz, re granite thread, https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs10967-006-0101-1

asciilifeform: ( anybody has the full text ? )

shinohai: http://archive.is/2RLOE <<< in other crypto sherlox

asciilifeform: shinohai: ludicrous crock of shit, by the time the shithub existed, thing's been out for, what, a year

asciilifeform: somehow we are expected to... forget?

shinohai: Considering the source, I'm not surprised with the short attention spans and lack of long-term memory.

asciilifeform: probably -- prep for the next shitoshi.

asciilifeform: ( is the last one entirely worn out ? or still going? i have nfi )

trinque: guy's going after patents

asciilifeform: why stop at bitcoin. patent the nand gate. the transistor. algebra.

trinque: somebody already did, no doubt

asciilifeform: not The Right somebody, evidently

shinohai: I did a Qntra on that, not sure if he is hoping everyone forgot or what.

shinohai: Ah yes http://qntra.net/2017/03/hoaxtoshi-returns-with-fiatist-patent-wank-forgets-tissues/

asciilifeform: aah him

asciilifeform: the blunted, formerly sharp and pointy end of the http://btcbase.org/log/2015-11-15#1324569 spear ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2015-11-15 01:17 mircea_popescu: i have this pile of very secret derpage here including the very expert "profile" of some random derp explaining how an elderly, principled gentleman is perhaps going to react crazily to the crass injustice of this entire scheme.

asciilifeform: apparently he'll have to do, until they find another.

deedbot: http://qntra.net/2017/03/five-percent-increase-in-latest-bitcoin-mining-difficulty-adjustment/ << Qntra - Five Percent Increase In Latest Bitcoin Mining Difficulty Adjustment

trinque: whoops.

trinque: BingoBoingo: s/^A /As /

BingoBoingo: ty fxd

CompanionCube once tried corrode on some random bits of C with little if any success. Even when it worked, it didn't produce particularly good or even 'ok' code

trinque: https://avatars3.githubusercontent.com/u/865272?v=3&s=400 << of course, right?

trinque: there's a particular lukejr look.

mircea_popescu: phf a ty

mircea_popescu: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20170330/#346 << i lolkek'd.

scriba: Logged on 2017-03-30: [16:58:13] <trinque> guess the magic number was three-factor auth

mircea_popescu: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20170330/#350 << moar like entirely not-credible pr from taboola.

scriba: Logged on 2017-03-30: [17:07:52] <shinohai> http://archive.is/2RLOE <<< in other crypto sherlox

mircea_popescu: wtf are they doing with those page-width "illustrations" composed of nothing whatsoever still.

mircea_popescu: it was kinda-cute in the sense of "he's my retarded cousin, it's not his fault he has down syndrome" ten years ago.

shinohai: "But it's impossible to run a news site without half-page ads plastered across the screen ..... o wait."

shinohai opens Qntra

mircea_popescu: except these aren't even ads. look :

mircea_popescu: https://archive.is/2RLOE/a8f0ba025a7cffd975e2dd59239c8ba847803b62.jpg

phf: cyberpunk

mircea_popescu: what's this do ? am i intuitively primed to uinderstand the topic now ?

phf: i remember making pictures like that for my 1337 h4x0r homepage back in 98 or so. that's how i learned Gimp!

mircea_popescu: yeah well... it's 2017

shinohai: Far less eye-burning than cryptocoinsnews. I would love to personally douse their art department with gas and set them alight.

mircea_popescu: i suppose this is the current-day equivalent of the demo scene. "uhm... we can't code... but we'd like to hang out with you dudes... can we do anything ? i mean besides sucking cock, something we can display in public"

mircea_popescu: everything decays (tm).

phf: demoscene was leet. even artfags were mostly on point

shinohai: http://btcinfo.sdf.org/uploads/sekoor.jpg <<< What could possibly go wrong?

mircea_popescu: tru.

Framedragger: in other newz, a nice dude, one liudas mažylis (after several months of research) found .lt's original declaration of independence (1918) in berlin's archives.

Framedragger: that's nice, but the true _soviet_ of the story is, official 'bigtime' academic 'historians' / 'history' 'professors' in .lt (with bigtime names and state grants for 'projects') got *livid*.

Framedragger: especially their leader, this ridiculous fat turd who nevertheless is featured in various tv shitshows ('to popularise history', you know) -- he's just plain jelly as fuck, (quote) "i don't even know this schmuck, some kind of driver (sic; literal), i would have great doubts as to the document's authenticity [meanwhile confirmed by germany archivists etc etc etc]", so on and so forth, in a complete caricature-like jelly manner.

Framedragger: see, it may have been supposed to be *him*. next year will mark 100y of independence, parades, state fiatola for 'history research' assigned, etc.; but beyond the banal, i *particularly* like the transparent sheer *indignation* by the 'historians' that this dude just.. read some books.. lifted his ass up.. took a bus to berlin (literally).. and that's it.

Framedragger: *how could they have not been included???* NOBODY ASKED US!!111 meanwhile dude in question is humble, says "well, doubt is essential to science", and smiles.

Framedragger: the fat turd in question is otherwise 'well respected', at forefront of history academia in .lt, etc. etc.

Framedragger: you know.

mircea_popescu: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20170330/#373 << the trotsky look for a new generation. compare/contrast http://trilema.com/2015/fetlife-the-meat-market/#footnote_4_60010 or some other pics i can't currently find lol.

scriba: Logged on 2017-03-30: [19:36:27] <trinque> there's a particular lukejr look.

mircea_popescu: anyone happen to recall the one of the wanna-be master with a great sense of humour looking for a slavegirl in michigan or wyoming or somesuch ?

mircea_popescu: also dork with round glasses

mircea_popescu: Framedragger lel. absolutely typical small-country-tick reaction. "we're the official poets of shitlandia, what do you mean we'd better actually be writing poems ?!!??!?!"

mircea_popescu: romania is no better ; i would expect the issue is universal.

mircea_popescu: makes shit easy for us, obviously.

Framedragger: you know, i've never seen this pattern so excellently executed. tip-top. straight from the 'how to survive as a tick' rulebook. (maybe because i can follow closely in native tongue and have keener sense of smell towards these fucks)

Framedragger: yeah!

mircea_popescu: i used to piss on the faces of the "online marketing experts" in ro just about the same way. various foreign pr/medioa agencies opened local offices because hey, gotta pretend coverage ; hired locals because idiots ; locals decided "THIS MEANS WE ARE COMPETENT"

mircea_popescu: not that different from how phuctor worked irl and so on.

Framedragger: it's nice to be able to compress these structures so well in the mind, the patterns are so..predictable, it's insane

shinohai: To continue the "Ladies you need to follow upstairs" theme: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C8HQ3ROV0AEvebx.jpg

mircea_popescu: looks like she's going out the window though

shinohai: It *could* lead to a sundeck .....

shinohai: But, if sealed window, bonus! She can't go anywhere!

mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2017/the-lordship-list-fourth-year/ << asciilifeform , ben_vulpes , bingoboingo , danielpbarron , davout , diana_coman , hanbot , mike_c , mircea_popescu , mod6 , phf , trinque

deedbot: http://trilema.com/2017/the-lordship-list-fourth-year/ << Trilema - The Lordship list, fourth year.

ben_vulpes: the titles are interesting

mircea_popescu: gotta have something

ben_vulpes: what means "common pleas"?

mircea_popescu: historically it was a part of the common law system (ie, in england) dealing with arguments among unimportant people. here it's mostly because you know, he split the bitbet pot to randos.

ben_vulpes: ah

shinohai: Cheers, mircea_popescu ... such a fitting name.

mircea_popescu: innit tho :D

shinohai shall add tits to his coat-of-arms if so inducted ....

mircea_popescu: lel

mircea_popescu: small ones ?

mircea_popescu: "his arms bear a charge of tits"

shinohai: And nalgitas rampart

shinohai: *rampant, derp

mircea_popescu: pity there isn't a suckant

mircea_popescu: suquant i guess

BingoBoingo proposes a tit-knuckled gauntlet for the Lord nominee!