▁▁▁⏐︎▁ 8640
asciilifeform: meanwhile, in phuctor lulz, http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/0E8509B69B30D833B7B8063E8F7B0BB9AEA36CD33C46FCA284A62A49E446BA8B << some monkey's pastiche, made of his (or some rando derp's) pub, an ostensible 'debian signing key', and asciilifeform's pub
asciilifeform: ( anybody can lift a modulus from one place, and drop it in another, so this kind of 'graffiti' is trivial )
asciilifeform: the funniest bit is that anybody who spends a few $10k to find sha1 collision, can take it one step further and make a valid subkey for asciilifeform's, or mircea_popescu's, etc. key ☟︎
asciilifeform: which any gpg-compatible pgptron ever released, will accept as valid, its signatures - as genuine, etc.
mircea_popescu: there's a reason there's !!key etc.
asciilifeform: it ain't as if what comes down yer pipe from !!key , is itself signed..
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> ( dulap -- believe or not -- is still up... ) << Prolly because the haet speak on dulap doesn't look like itself to the uninitiated.
mircea_popescu: you think ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform right, i'd love to see variant keys.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well, both boxes on same hoster. One unplugged promptly, other curiously still connected despite overt raep overtures..
BingoBoingo: !~bcstats
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Current Blocks: 487879 | Current Difficulty: 1.123863285132E12 | Next Difficulty At Block: 489887 | Next Difficulty In: 2008 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 weeks, 1 day, 7 hours, 37 minutes, and 57 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
BingoBoingo: In other media: Si Newhouse (Conde Nast) dead, finally
mircea_popescu: aww
BingoBoingo: Allegedly his brother Donald still lives for some definition of living
oglafbot: http://oglaf.com/fuckbeasts/
BingoBoingo: !~ticker --market all
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 4370.02, vol: 7410.83687857 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 4417.0, vol: 27771.91218176 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 4229.3316, vol: 0 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 4397.0, vol: 2729.09851003 | Volume-weighted last average: 4406.37685413
lobbes: !!deed http://lobbesblog.com/billing/2017/q3/Birdman.txt
lobbes: !!deed http://lobbesblog.com/billing/2017/q3/diana_coman.txt
lobbes: http://lobbesblog.com/billing/2017/q3/hanbot.txt
lobbes: !!deed http://lobbesblog.com/billing/2017/q3/hanbot.txt
lobbes: !!deed http://lobbesblog.com/billing/2017/q3/mircea_popescu.txt
trinque: I'm over here working on the thing
trinque: it'll respond when I fire it back up
deedbot: deeds online
lobbes: worx
lobbes: should I re-deed those or are they in the queue?
trinque: I've got 'em, will make sure they pop out the other end.
lobbes: kk
lobbes: cross-logging for posterity: http://logs.minigame.bz/2017-10-02.log.html
deedbot: accepted: 1
deedbot: accepted: 1
deedbot: accepted: 1
deedbot: accepted: 1
lobbes: oops. wrong link: http://logs.minigame.bz/2017-10-02.log.html#t03:16:09
lobbesbot: Logged on 2017-10-02 03:16:09: <lobbes> also to note that going forward, all BTC payments will be done through the deedbot wallet service. If someone wants to pay via that method, let me know and I'll generate the invoice
trinque: lobbes: checked out the commands already?
lobbes: yeah! looks spiffy
trinque: very cool. soon as I'm done mucking around in deedbot's innards, it'll get a proper write-up. docs should be pretty self-explanatory though.
trinque: glad ya like it. let me know how it goes.
lobbes: excited to test it out, although 100% of my payments have been in ecu so far. Perhaps will change now though
mircea_popescu: trinque soo, can i pay these ?
BingoBoingo claps for trinque
deedbot: http://deedbot.org/bundle-487885.txt
trinque: mircea_popescu: he didn't put them in the bot
trinque: he just made deeds.
mircea_popescu: oh
mircea_popescu: !!help
deedbot: http://deedbot.org/help.html
mircea_popescu: !!deposit 1 BTC
deedbot: Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/ibBmP/?raw=true
trinque: units aren't needed there
mircea_popescu: so what do i use, fractionals ?
mircea_popescu: !!v 539218EA825EAAA0BFEC1FFC260DDDE968EDC8A3AC0F1C5F80814807907C47A0
trinque: takes units of decimal btc
trinque removes the "upcoming"
mircea_popescu: so !!deposit 1 is 1 btc and deposit 0.01 is 1 bitcent ?
trinque: correct
trinque: it'll come back to you with encrypted next steps
mircea_popescu: so far it's silent
trinque: when given the right count of parameters
mircea_popescu: well it should bitch rather than let me decrypt an useless pad then
mircea_popescu: !!deposit 1
deedbot: Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/dYUDW/?raw=true
trinque: hey, I got scooped by lobbes!
mircea_popescu: ah sorry.
mircea_popescu: should i hold off on this ?
trinque: nah it's all there
mircea_popescu: !!v 5173B2520A618A470B3F0874800652F8EA5F7792037EF86BC2908D2F966C4385
deedbot: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/fYiyV/?raw=true
mircea_popescu: trinque why is the two step thing needed again ?
trinque: because the thing's otherwise open to filling up my deposit queue with junk
trinque: for things like balance, one step
mircea_popescu: can be used by nonvoiced ppls ?
trinque: depending on the level of trust I put in freenode
mircea_popescu: so what are ppl gonna do, fill your queue with junk then get negrated ? not much of a plan.
trinque: it's a fair point; lets remove it and see what happens
mircea_popescu: can just arbitrarily fine offenders if need be.
mircea_popescu: recall when alf got fined like what was it, 1 btc ? for spamming the chan ?
trinque: lol I don't, but it's a fine policy.
mircea_popescu: way early, when it ever happened at all.
trinque: I haven't put anything into place, but it's interesting to consider how the wot and access to wallet might interact.
mircea_popescu: anything specific ?
trinque: I might not be inclined to hold money for folks that have been severely negrated by enough of the lordship.
mircea_popescu: well how would they even use it.
mircea_popescu: gotta be able to voice neh
trinque: isn't locked to this channel at the moment.
trinque: but doing so'd do exactly that
mircea_popescu: might as well.
trinque: mircea_popescu: another thing to note is you asked to be able to pay arbitrary addresses. can do, but I much prefer that be done with !!withdraw rather than !!pay. otherwise I'm stuck worrying about whether some person registers an address as nick.
trinque: I don't like writing functions that try to figure out what kind of inputs they were handed. (and I write lisp, even)
mircea_popescu: im not understanding something here
trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-29#1705403 ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-08-29 20:04 mircea_popescu: !!pay 1FNFe9fC21sVp3syeGSRprnBCGU9QuY9Eh 1
mircea_popescu: so basically, you want !!withdraw to pay to a bitcxoin addredss and !!pay to pay to a nick ?
trinque: yep
mircea_popescu: this makes perfect sense.
mircea_popescu: trinque what happens if i send the payment twice ?
trinque: in the longstanding tradition of republican payments, deedbot thanks you for your donation. or put more kindly, I don't want to keep a list of names and people's addresses; deposit amounts are meant to identify a person only at a point in time.
mircea_popescu: and how long does an address last ?
trinque: there's only a single address, and the generated deposit amount is what links any inbound transactions to their account.
mircea_popescu: how long does the link last ?
trinque: hadn't decided yet, but I'm fine with it being quite long. ideally the deposit_request table doesn't fill up with bunk requests.
mircea_popescu: is there collision protection ? or can the same 4 digits show up twice ?
trinque: the same 4 digits will only show up again if a previous deposit for that amount has been completed
mircea_popescu: cool.
mircea_popescu: so basically, as long as you're not getting in excess of 10k calls per however long they expire, you don't really have a problem.
trinque: exactly, shouldn't be a reason to delete at all
mircea_popescu: make it a day then ? 24h ?
trinque: can certainly say at least 24hrs; I was willing to say "at least a month"
mircea_popescu: so make it a week, should cover all insane scenarios.
trinque: k
mircea_popescu will still use it as a "it's good for a day-ish", which imo is reasonable.
mircea_popescu: day soft week hard boundry, should work fine
trinque: I'm headed to bed, will respond to any other feedback in the AM.
mircea_popescu: kk
trinque: gnite
deedbot: deeds online
mircea_popescu: and in other utter lulz, https://www.cjr.org/business_of_news/pivot-to-video.php
mircea_popescu: !!balance
deedbot: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/HnAgr/?raw=true
BingoBoingo: 50+ killed, 200 plus wounded in Floor 32, Mandalay Bay, Las Vegas, Nevada shooting during Jason ALdean concert credited by the noise mill to Stephen Paddock, 64, of Mesquite, Nevada ☟︎☟︎
BingoBoingo: Or was apprehended on floor 32
BingoBoingo: LVPD is apparently seeking a petite, aged azn female as suspected accomplice
diana_coman: Framedragger, did you ever publish somewhere re the customs fee you had to pay for your fg(s)? ☟︎
shinohai: http://archive.is/eZTlZ mircea_popescu, danielpbarron, still free to compete.
mircea_popescu: !!balance
deedbot: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/6c7wf/?raw=true
mircea_popescu: !!up asciilifeform
deedbot: asciilifeform voiced for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: !!up asciilifeform_
deedbot: asciilifeform_ voiced for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: diana_coman indeed he did, but beyond http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-06#1638767 and http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-29#1634029 ☝︎☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-04-06 11:42 Framedragger: rehosted here: http://fd.mkj.lt/stuff/import-1.jpg && http://fd.mkj.lt/stuff/import-2.jpg
a111: Logged on 2017-03-29 16:24 Framedragger: re. FUCKGOATS customs hold-up in UK: according to their story the hold-up with uk customs was due to them having to apply import duty (had to pay a bit) from u.s., *even though* i've had plenty of shit sent in from u.s. of a. before, so who knows (they wouldn't tell me more) :D
diana_coman: ah, I was thinking more post/blog style I guess; anyways, I'll link to log then I suppose
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-02#1719420 << a new hero, huh. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-10-02 10:42 BingoBoingo: 50+ killed, 200 plus wounded in Floor 32, Mandalay Bay, Las Vegas, Nevada shooting during Jason ALdean concert credited by the noise mill to Stephen Paddock, 64, of Mesquite, Nevada
mircea_popescu: the culling of the lot millenial is long overdue as it is. hopefully the rest of the 60yos understand their past mistakes and proceed to http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-13#1713736 ☝︎☟︎
a111: Logged on 2017-09-13 19:24 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-13#1713729 << this is not even a correct statement. more properly "i will desist killing all my offspring before gestation completes if and only if my sovereign right to kill them at any time is socially recognized".
mircea_popescu: diana_coman for some reason he's insanely reluctant to blog. nfi.
diana_coman: anyways, for posterity, similar story to http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-29#1634029 but in detail here: http://www.dianacoman.com/2017/10/02/some-costs-of-importing-randomness/ ☝︎☟︎☟︎
a111: Logged on 2017-03-29 16:24 Framedragger: re. FUCKGOATS customs hold-up in UK: according to their story the hold-up with uk customs was due to them having to apply import duty (had to pay a bit) from u.s., *even though* i've had plenty of shit sent in from u.s. of a. before, so who knows (they wouldn't tell me more) :D
asciilifeform: RIP dulap. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: a it went ?
asciilifeform: aha. we complained, they listened!111!
mircea_popescu: it was getting ridoinculous.
asciilifeform: lulzily, asciilifeform spent ~whole weekend dealing with ~exactly same picture re a box in the saeculum.
mircea_popescu: there's not very much else LEFT is the point. should actual people take up the above http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-02#1719437 and should they complete a few hundred million executions, we'd discover that... we can't even fucking tell. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-10-02 14:49 mircea_popescu: the culling of the lot millenial is long overdue as it is. hopefully the rest of the 60yos understand their past mistakes and proceed to http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-13#1713736
mircea_popescu: none of these schmucks actually do anything with their time.
mircea_popescu: shinohai that's ok, i'd rather grow an amateur beard.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform and besides, i'll bet you bitcoin to donuts they DON'T EVEN UNDERSTAND THEY DID SOMETHING WRONG.
mircea_popescu: i don't mean, the complete list, from "don't route my emails through fucking atlanta so they can be arrested in rem, imbecile, especially not if you advertise nationalist lithuania or w/e the fuck, scammer" to "don't give away my harddrives to schmucks, what the fuck is wrong with you".
mircea_popescu: as far as idiot mind is concerned, they "tried" and "went above and beyond" but "sadly".
mircea_popescu once interviewed girly, towards the outer edge of age limit, who had spent those years in office drone training. what she got for it was 0 independent thought or capacity of action, nothing left of natural curiosity or sensuality, overall horrible fit. but the thing is she declared, as her own self-image, that she's the sorta gal which, told to jump, merely wants to know how high. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: phraseology she no doubt picked off some "conference" or whatever they call the corporation-organized "social life" for the drones. and she actually believed this.
mircea_popescu: they actually think themselves human, for reasons that've nothing to do with anything above and beyond a waxed cylinder reproducing human speech.
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, presumably want to know how high in order to write it down on the to-do list or some such; it's a world of words, what else is there anyway other than words
mircea_popescu: maybe. i don't think it was anything deeper than just the response, tbh.
mircea_popescu: world of words, yes, but not even articulated words. most things are one-pass.
diana_coman: exactly, push this button get that response and if you want another response, tweak a bit and there it goes out
mircea_popescu: the other as a single-pass state machine, "if he says X then he's in state 1 you say Y, if he says Q you say Z, ... , if he says T you say G and that's the whole list of interaction".
mircea_popescu: "how's it going" "great" ; "here's that X" "thank you" and a few others. maybe a dozen ? maybe three dozen for you know, super-duper VIP CTO CEO etc. that's the whole model.
diana_coman: quite; and what do you mean to say P when he said T!!! that is not fair and so on
mircea_popescu: two pass responsens such as "how's it going" -?-> "great" end ; -?-> !"great" "just $x ? not great ?" is already SO FUCKUING CREATIVE OMG it belongs in like the movies.
mircea_popescu: i think rockstars talk like that.
diana_coman: lol
mircea_popescu: somehow people could watch fargo and not call the national guard to salt the fucking place where it stood.
mircea_popescu still can't grok how that works.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in a basement somewhere, http://68.media.tumblr.com/e4963cf0b439c0762e6833b68c3a3595/tumblr_ns8c6euMmv1t5vf0wo1_1280.jpg
cruciform: I've been reading the logs, and my head hurts
cruciform: at least retards are spared - one assumes - the realisation that they're retarded
mircea_popescu: sometimes i guess.
cruciform: about 2 months in so far -6m is a hefty requirement!
diana_coman: cruciform, head hurting though can be same as "muscle hurts" - simply an indication it's ...working and growing
mircea_popescu: or that you had too much fun.
cruciform: mircea_popescu: definitely having fun!
diana_coman: are those different?
mircea_popescu: lol
mod6: <+cruciform> about 2 months in so far -6m is a hefty requirement! << nice, keep at it!
mircea_popescu: cruciform see also http://trilema.com/2016/the-story-of-elliot-rodger-by-elliot-rodger-adnotated-part-one/#comment-118639 http://trilema.com/2013/regarding-money/#comment-122988 etc
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-02#1719454 << iirc the original americanism was 'shit ? tellme what colour' ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-10-02 15:13 mircea_popescu once interviewed girly, towards the outer edge of age limit, who had spent those years in office drone training. what she got for it was 0 independent thought or capacity of action, nothing left of natural curiosity or sensuality, overall horrible fit. but the thing is she declared, as her own self-image, that she's the sorta gal which, told to jump, merely wants to know how high.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i heard it originally in the hotel trade, "if guest calls desk at 3am to ask for a cucumber, the only acceptable question is how large"
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-02#1719440 << holyshit where didja get asciilifeform's deck of cards! diana_coman ?11 ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-10-02 14:52 diana_coman: anyways, for posterity, similar story to http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-29#1634029 but in detail here: http://www.dianacoman.com/2017/10/02/some-costs-of-importing-randomness/
mircea_popescu: i suspect yours is ulterior militarism
asciilifeform: lollterior, with them pikes an' swords
diana_coman: asciilifeform, didn't know it was yours, man! lolz, lemme dig...
asciilifeform: diana_coman: pretty sure i have that same ace at least.
asciilifeform: same, i suspect, era, suggested also by the degree of yellow
asciilifeform: and yeah i did assume that diana_coman read the Framedragger l0gz, knew that the british brazenly molest and kidnap parcels
asciilifeform: if it ain't a seekrit, diana_coman , how didja end up in britanistan ?
diana_coman: asciilifeform, got the "ultimate deck" from the US indeed, in...wholly time, 2013!! http://www.dianacoman.com/blog/2013/03/10/notite-disparate-despre-nimic-anume/
asciilifeform: lol!
asciilifeform: i had nfi that they made faux-su dex there.
asciilifeform: brain-melting.
diana_coman: asciilifeform, I did know of Framedragger's experience yes; similarly I have my own experience of Ro post brazenly not only kidnapping packages as in...entirely, vanished etc
asciilifeform: diana_coman: the 1 time i sent a ( precursor to fg ) to ro, it took... what, 6 wks ? and ~0 of the original wrapping remained iirc
asciilifeform: ( mircea_popescu might recall details )
mircea_popescu: eh, su is no better. in recent memory they stole camera, resealed package, sent it along.
mircea_popescu: and by su i mean, of course, us.
asciilifeform: how to even tell where on the route, stole.
asciilifeform: could be in one zimbabwestan, could be in other.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well they resealed with their own tape.
mircea_popescu: and the usps paid for the insurance, too.
mircea_popescu: girls were mindblown, "why the fuck would anyone do this".
mircea_popescu: the answer, however, is obvious -- random convict couldn't, literally, give less of a shit.
diana_coman: asciilifeform, re britanistan I'm still searching for the essence of my deep problem that keeps me here; but historically it comes after having enough of Italy after having enough of France after having enough (more than enough!!!) of Ro
diana_coman: so dunno, having so many enoughs and eating them, might be I got fat
mircea_popescu: "oh it will be discovered". what the fuck does he care ? by the time it's discovered he's either dead, inside anyway for "drug bust" or otherwise, you know, MADE IT IN THIS GAME
asciilifeform: one time, in 2000s, asciilifeform bought a mk61 classic sov calculator from a d00d in ru. came in, noshit, old-school wooden crate, everything intact, manuals, etc. BUT the power brick -- snippycutted off.
asciilifeform: who would steal a 30 y.o. 220v brick -- to this day i have nfi.
mircea_popescu: selfsame dood above.
mircea_popescu: he thought it pattern matches something fence might have taken once.
asciilifeform: gotta be.
mircea_popescu: this is the constant lulz, asking "what was he thinking". what the fuck, if he were thinking he'd be working at the post office ?
asciilifeform: diana_coman: as one who lives 20min from the fuhrerbunker, asciilifeform is not someone to lecture folx on 'time to move'. but i dun think anybody could ~pay~ me enuff to live in rotherhamistan...
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that's ok, i dunno who else could be paid enough to live in the swamp.
asciilifeform: hey at least i dun gotta pay vat!111
asciilifeform: not 1 time had any problem getting mail from whatveristan.
mircea_popescu: and yet strangely the us collects as much tax as the uk.
trinque: got state income tax in maryland too!
asciilifeform: at least. but at least not at postoffice!11
trinque: neener!
diana_coman: asciilifeform, re "why would he do that" - I don't think there is a why; what to do with it comes afterwards anyway
mircea_popescu: oh i see.
asciilifeform: trinque: massive tax
diana_coman: asciilifeform, part of trouble is that atm on such coordinates it's unclear if moon is far enough as it is
mircea_popescu: diana_coman amusingly, it increased ? yours was 19.42, Framedragger 's was 18.6 if memory serves ?
mircea_popescu: does the queen's own asshole dilate with inflation in those lands too ?
diana_coman: it seems that his was lower but it's unclear why really
asciilifeform: holyfuq that's > the postage
diana_coman: it's fixed amount asciilifeform ; and a third of it is for "post service" weirdly enough
asciilifeform: nuts.
mircea_popescu: in related news, i turned off a horrifying bad piece of british propaganda yest, "the hill" with sean connery.
asciilifeform: british are famous for this kind of thing for 300yrs, neh, this is as much a surprise as the dozen+ mosquito bites on asciilifeform's leg
diana_coman: more than a third even
mircea_popescu: the idea there is that people in a north africa military prison give so much of a shit about the crown & all they actually do what told!
asciilifeform: diana_coman: 'post service' i suppose is 'the fine service of searching through packages an' pilfering'
diana_coman: asciilifeform, quite; you don't get to pay that if package doesn't attract customs fee
lobbes: !!invoice mircea_popescu 0.00100800
deedbot: Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/gmaQc/?raw=true
diana_coman: I got plenty of packages otherwise and never had to pay such a thing
lobbes: Damn. Alright I'ma create invoice tonight once I'm near my signing key, mircea_popescu ☟︎
diana_coman: admittedly, not much (if any, hmm) from the USA
asciilifeform: lol, what other than fg might you even want sent from there.
diana_coman: come to think of it: the deck of cards! lol
asciilifeform looks at his desk, and finds, other than FGs, 1 and only 1 object made in usa -- the ibm keyboard, circa 1982
mircea_popescu: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/poO3G/?raw=true << the item. because FUCKING TOTALLY, if i'm running whores in cairo i'm gonna be so totally impressed with some two bit sargent major he's not only not getting shot, but ima do what he says! guess who's changing who here!!11
mircea_popescu: and so on etcetera.
diana_coman: asciilifeform> diana_coman: as one who lives 20min from the fuhrerbunker, asciilifeform is not someone to lecture folx on 'time to move'. but i dun think anybody could ~pay~ me enuff to live in rotherhamistan... <-- on one hand most non-brits here (and yeah, it's an area with some 25%+ non-brits) anyway are a positive thing overall; on the other hand there is this (been repeatedly told) very British dream of retiring (with good
diana_coman: money obv!) in a poor country and watching the sun setting just as the local economy sets too - it sounds as if they managed the setting part right at home
mircea_popescu: how the fuck is it british lol.
mircea_popescu: it's florentine is what it is.
mircea_popescu: and before that is what legionnaire did.
asciilifeform: seems like brits have the worst of 2 worlds -- 1stworld prices, 3rdworld realestate
diana_coman: must be the legionnaire florentine brits-only ; but yes, makes sense
mircea_popescu: consider though : 100% of classical theatre is "old guy retiring (with good money obv!) with either young wife being a whore or else hot daughter being a slut".
mircea_popescu: the barber of seville, the merchant of venice, the taming of the shrew, all, all "mistaken identity" / commedia dell'arte consists of this and nothing else but this : "here's how life reclaims the money bags"
diana_coman: oh, classical theatre made me think of...antigona and I was racking my brains
mircea_popescu: that's antique! classical theatre is this 1500 florentine thing.
asciilifeform also thinks 'grecoroman' when hears 'classical'
mircea_popescu: but anyway, the legionnaire's dream is the one most enduring roman contribution to modern world.
mircea_popescu: "take the solidus, go somewhere where q. robur grows and the tits are fistfilling, settle down and relax already."
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-02#1719420 << btw complete with the Magically Evaporating Multiple Shooters ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-10-02 10:42 BingoBoingo: 50+ killed, 200 plus wounded in Floor 32, Mandalay Bay, Las Vegas, Nevada shooting during Jason ALdean concert credited by the noise mill to Stephen Paddock, 64, of Mesquite, Nevada
trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-02#1719544 << might consider linking http://deedbot.org/deed-487885-4.txt in the memo field of your invoice ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-10-02 16:05 lobbes: Damn. Alright I'ma create invoice tonight once I'm near my signing key, mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: now lessee here.
mircea_popescu: !!received-invoices
deedbot: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/mzQJ9/?raw=true
mircea_popescu: oh he didn't send anything yet ?
trinque: nah, not yet
mircea_popescu: kk
trinque: but that's where it'll end up
mircea_popescu: worx
asciilifeform: https://i.imgur.com/KNx6u8Q.jpg << geography of p0stal
asciilifeform: coupla 100 metres.
mircea_popescu: wait, he shot from the hotel into the parking lot as it were ?
asciilifeform: allegedly.
mircea_popescu: vietnam vet ?
asciilifeform: according to beobachter, one 'Stephen Paddock... ...64, was found dead in his room on the 32nd floor of the Mandalay Bay Resort and Casino in Las Vegas when a police SWAT team broke down the door. Sheriff Joseph Lombardo said authorities believe Paddock killed himself.... Paddock had a private pilot's license and the FAA is gathering his records, according to FAA spokeswoman Laura Brown. So far, authorities have found no military rec
asciilifeform: ords for Stephen Paddock.'
mircea_popescu: "Hey, I would have bought it HERE if it EXISTED, you know? It sucks to have to import cool stuff from half way around the world, yes, but how does it follow then that one also has to *pay locals* for their failing to have the cool stuff locally?" << this is a rather important point.
asciilifeform: 'Law enforcement has no "derogatory information" about Paddock, besides the fact that he received a citation several years ago that was handled in the court system, Lombardo said.'
mircea_popescu: lmao what.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in one of those rare examples of youth not being wasted on the young, http://68.media.tumblr.com/eaa45c186f01e7a30c279a9234dff8a7/tumblr_nr3hc7TyS01r87thuo1_500.gif
asciilifeform: i.e. scapegoat, picked from intel's list of old men nobody will esp. notice; meanwhile maidan sniper squad culled the culls
mircea_popescu: pfff.
asciilifeform: i dun see any particular reason to swallow the Official story
mircea_popescu: well what is this, conspiracism for conspiracism's sake ?
mircea_popescu: i can't imagine who could possibly be arsed to eat the cost of culling the worthless millenials. that an old man undertakes it is very much in the vein of what old age is all about.
asciilifeform: it's a reichstag, wat
mircea_popescu: big daddy pollitt similarily attempts to help brick.
asciilifeform: pretty obvious cui bono.
mircea_popescu: what, is your construction here that las vegas hospitals and funeral parlors have revived the ancient frontier practice of paying drunks to create work for them ?
asciilifeform: not 'funeral parlours', unless it is simply mircea_popescu likes playing deliberately thick. dhs et al.
mircea_popescu: ie, drumming up support for the war on terror etc ?
asciilifeform: aha
asciilifeform: and also from where didja get the notion that 'culled millenials' ?
mircea_popescu: well who the fuck goes to an open air concert, besides mobile poor people.
asciilifeform: looks like it was workingclass, BingoBoingoish set
asciilifeform: 'country' ☟︎
mircea_popescu: i don't think this segmentation carries any water. it's not "workingclass or officeclass". it's not country or pop or rap or anything else. it's born before 1990 or not.
mircea_popescu: if yes, there's no office and there's no work and there's no anything else. there's strictly the ipad and hopefully lead.
asciilifeform: i'ma defer to the culturally clued folx ( BingoBoingo , trinque , ben_vulpes ) re who likely was in the culling field.
asciilifeform: the police photos dun offer a clear answer re 'post-1990 or not', imho
mircea_popescu: o wow, google took wikipedia off it's "Special box".
mircea_popescu: it's the end of the spamsite innit.
asciilifeform: waiwat nowai
mircea_popescu: google jason aldean. there's his personal site, searches for spouse and his lulzy kids preloaded, songs (on youtube, fo course) linked.
mircea_popescu: INSTAGRAM profile before facebook, and no wikipedia.
mircea_popescu: twitter-myspace tail to add insult to injury.
asciilifeform: lol google front already has the oblig sadface
asciilifeform: 'our hearts...' etc
asciilifeform: 'The 2 time ACM Entertainer of the Year Award winner has sold 15 million albums and has 17 #1 songs! “With all the albums we’ve done, we’ve always taken our own path and not thought about what everyone else is doing,” says Jason Aldean.'
asciilifeform: ftr i had nfi he existed. ( but this is not saying much )
mircea_popescu: On September 30, 2012, Aldean admitted to having "acted inappropriately at a bar",while former American Idol contestant Brittany Kerr, responding to reports linking her and Aldean, said in a statement she had suffered "a lapse in judgment" and "would like to sincerely apologize to everyone that has been affected by this"
mircea_popescu: who the fuck is going to be affected by a naked slut in a bar getting fucked or w/e they did
asciilifeform: apparently pro-trump d00d
asciilifeform: ( aldean )
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: in my backwards-ass neck of the woods, it's practically a family affair: http://www.portlandmercury.com/feature/2017/09/27/19346945/song-of-the-red-states
ben_vulpes: vegas is hard to pin down demographically, as it's just the projection of a particular multidimensional entertainment megacorp through our plane, so you're just as likely to run into tourists not even from this plane as you are say dentists from las cruces or 'hft guyz' from nyc
mircea_popescu: "But the Bi-Mart Willamette Country Music Festival—or BMWCMF as it will be henceforth referred to—clearly does not care about positive PR. In that way, the BMWCMF is unlike any music festival I’ve ever been to. It also perfectly embodies Oregon as it exists outside of Portland: rural, rugged, and rude. Attempting to acquire a media pass feels more like haggling with a stranger on Craigslist." << jews' first little step
mircea_popescu: on the lengthy long road to discovering that no, nobody wants zher here there or absolutely anywhere.
mircea_popescu: and nobody cares how the whine about it goes, either.
ben_vulpes: uite
ben_vulpes: quite*
mircea_popescu: "positive pr" indeed, what, from the likes of Caleb Crain and his "husband" Peter Terzian ? noty.
asciilifeform: whossat
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2016/and-they-wont-fucking-yield/ < random nobodies with a mention on trilema
asciilifeform: aaaa
mircea_popescu: and in other wetware spun content lulz, http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4935506/Feds-nab-one-dark-web-s-largest-drug-dealers.html
asciilifeform: lol rasputin
mircea_popescu: and in other "the consumer is still using the computer as a screensaver" lulz, https://thecryptochat.net/
mircea_popescu: here's a great idea : the best way to "Screensave" is by NOT FUCKING BUYING ONE.
mircea_popescu: if it's not for you, why importune the world.
asciilifeform: incidentally i fully expect that screensavers ( in the 1990s sense of the word ) will soon come back : crapple et al finally went to oled ( luminophor-based display, sorta like flat crt but with even faster burn in, mtbf ~2years )
diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-02#1719440 - interestingly enough re uk vat for us "imports" I got passed on this snippet, apparently published in the spectator too: "I recently ordered a pair of wire strippers from the USA at a cost of £14.07. Two weeks later I received a demand for £3.90 duty and VAT, plus a Royal Mail 'handling fee' of £8. The latter struck me as an awful lot of handling for a small tool. Thank you, Royal ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-10-02 14:52 diana_coman: anyways, for posterity, similar story to http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-29#1634029 but in detail here: http://www.dianacoman.com/2017/10/02/some-costs-of-importing-randomness/
diana_coman: Mail, but no. You may now enjoy handling the item all the way back to America, at your own cost."
mircea_popescu: diana_coman it'd matter a lot more if the actual handling cost weren't ~100 ECu or so per package.
asciilifeform: the penalty for not buying chinese liquishit, via the approved import channels, is strict.
mircea_popescu: rather, the penalty for breaking chinese liquidshit marketing areas.
diana_coman: asciilifeform, fwiw re deck of cards the way I found that fake one was basically through a Russian who saw&bought it because it reminded HIM of the original deck of cards of his grandfather who was of the type self-exiled to France
mircea_popescu: where do you suppose those ended up ion the us from.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: the anglos, fwiw, have what i suspect is the world's ugliest standardized (and it is astonishingly standardized) deck of cards. iirc ~unchanged from shakespeare's time
mircea_popescu: this is for good reason.
diana_coman: hm, now that you mention it I realise I do not have even one single anglo-deck of cards actually in the house, lol
mircea_popescu: beauty, always hieroglyphic, distracts from alphabetic use of signifying tools.
asciilifeform: but yes on second glance i could tell that diana_coman's ace was english -- letter A is megaclue
asciilifeform: i dun have anglodeck either.
mircea_popescu can't stand non-standard decks for eg bridge. if you wanna gawk, have the partner topless.
asciilifeform: miserable plastic things, too
asciilifeform: afaik nobody makes paper cards in heathendom , not for half century
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, eh, there is that re playing
mircea_popescu: (topless girl bridge tournament is great because of the old lady player problem. which is, there's this subclass of player, often looking like dame olivier, who are VERY fucking tight players. this is great for them, as they usually win or at least place well, but terrible for the game, as it becomes dry.)
mircea_popescu: i want my #2 spot to be because i bid 6NT and made it on that obvioud 4h hand ; not because i always did 3s instead of 2s and shaved 10 points each time that way.
diana_coman: asciilifeform, ah, if you meant latin letters then I guess most of mine are "anglo" in this sense, yes; prolly just 2 or so actually Russian
asciilifeform: diana_coman: i meant that it was visibly a modern deck, vs vintage su
diana_coman: indeed
ben_vulpes: in other brazen disregardz: https://www.fastcasual.com/news/eeoc-sues-whataburger-over-directive-to-hire-only-white-applicants/
trinque: uh, I can show anyone to a number of whataburgers that are black as hell
mircea_popescu: and in other bwahahahas,
mircea_popescu: !~later tell elaineo wtf is http://sandhill.exchange/being-in-debt-understanding-your-situation/ lol
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: The operation succeeded.
ben_vulpes: trinque: you figure fabrication on the part of the fired mgr?
trinque: I struggle to remember the last time I saw a white person behind the counter at waterburger
ben_vulpes: i have nfi in re the skin tone makeup of tallahasse
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: what's elaino's connection to that thing?
mircea_popescu: since you ask, https://elaineou.com/2014/10/16/93-male/
ben_vulpes: aaah
trinque: Silicon Valley sexism << baww
trinque: where's that fall on the grab-'em-by-the-pussy continuum?
mircea_popescu: cuntinuum you mean ?
trinque: lol
mircea_popescu: and re sv sexism, from the same source : https://elaineou.com/2014/10/07/100-percent-women/
mircea_popescu absolutely doubts wanna-be in the "spam fake acounts" game known as "online dating" actually contains anything but borroed pictures spit-jointed to bad prose written by a (male) grad student somewhere.
mircea_popescu: but then again this is i guess not directly obvious to the aspirational female.
mircea_popescu: the open question, of course, is whether associating with the actually rich, with the flauntingly rich, with the actually poor or with the pretend poor (such as you know, us pantsuit) is the better approach to not-staying-poor.
asciilifeform misread : 'flatulently rich'
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: it's very problematic, all this. consider the (correctly labeled!) illustration of branson : https://elaineou.files.wordpress.com/2014/11/denni-parkinson-nude-richard-branson-island-2050764615.jpg
mircea_popescu: superficially, the dude is doing it right.
mircea_popescu: sadly the story behind that is that denni parkinson was there with HER BOYFRIEND, who's some photog there to shoot some bs about branson's hobby (some kind of new and improved surfing) ☟︎
mircea_popescu: and self-same boyfriend proposed that prop #1 (his gf, with the tits) sit so and so with prop #2 (his client, with the gray hair) so HIS picture comes out good. which it did.
mircea_popescu: except the photog is not rich. well, not monetarily, anyway.
mircea_popescu: moreover -- branson is exactly another version of socialist state - krysha'd pseudo-entrepreneur, exactly like
mircea_popescu: eh wtf's his name, the one who sold some sports entertaining thing to yahoo and has been posturing as "entrepreneur" ever since.
trinque: mark cuban?
mircea_popescu: ty!
mircea_popescu: moreover -- branson is exactly another version of socialist state - krysha'd pseudo-entrepreneur, exactly like http://trilema.com/2014/lets-do-mark-cuban/
mircea_popescu: his contribution to this world is "it's easy to make a small fortune in whatever -- start with a big one".
mircea_popescu: plenty of these all around.
asciilifeform: meanwhile.... http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-20#1716028 >> we have (1) >> http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/kBS9G/?raw=true << 16sec on standardtestbox ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-09-20 02:01 asciilifeform: in other noose, asciilifeform found that 1) knuthian division can be sped up by ANOTHER factor of 2, by walking the bits of the quotient instead of shifting'em 2) barrett reduction in constant time is almost certainly possible
mircea_popescu: so now. what impact does any of this have on ... on who exactly ? denni dun wanna be rich, she wants to have fun.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> i dun see any particular reason to swallow the Official story << I am surprised official story is not about the inequality of heights which provided a priviledged vantage point for shooter
asciilifeform: grr, wrong link, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-18#1715696 ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-09-18 23:54 asciilifeform: is the 'obvious 2x speedup' alluded to earlier.
mircea_popescu: stephane gautronneau doesn't wanna be rich, he just wants to hang out with denni, except impersonally.
mircea_popescu: branson himself doesn't wanna be rich, as proven by the fact that whenever he almost gets rich, he blows it away.
mircea_popescu: so... i guess i'm confused.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> i don't think this segmentation carries any water. it's not "workingclass or officeclass". it's not country or pop or rap or anything else. it's born before 1990 or not. << Jason Aldean is a "new country" act. Quarantined from both Country and other post-1990.
asciilifeform: grr comments typo, fixed, http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/cicCN/?raw=true
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo no i know, hence my comments.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> ftr i had nfi he existed. ( but this is not saying much ) << AHA, Cultural quarantine
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> apparently pro-trump d00d << And why quarantined. "us vs them" is great marketing
asciilifeform: currently puzzled re why a 25% shave in knuthtron iterations, gives 50% shave of runtime
asciilifeform: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/VtdrU/?raw=true << previous ver., for comparison.
trinque: is the whole ffa posted anywhere?
asciilifeform: trinque: a couplea versions ago, i made a tarball for mod6 , mircea_popescu , et al, that demoed 'factorial'
mircea_popescu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CXJ8uPRqFf0 << for completeness.
asciilifeform: trinque: should be in the l0gz somewhere
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this is a terrible answer.
asciilifeform: i'ma make a new one, 1m
mircea_popescu: o, speaking of "women in tech" : after thoroughly wrecking yahoo (eerily reminiscent of carly fiorina's "performance" at meanwhile disappeared compaq/hp), melissa meyer disappeared from view ; leaving verizon to pick up teh pieces. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: such wow.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: AHA, anyways. My suspicion is that this attack is along the lines of the Belleville terrorist who shot Congressional baseball practice claiming he was going to fix the tax brackets. Dude prolly was a pantsuit fan and figured anyone who'd go to "new country" festival is trump voter.
mircea_popescu: devil himself knows not the mind of man.
asciilifeform: trinque: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/lHtia/?raw=true << unofficial ffa.ads ; http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/MqgKb/?raw=true << ffa.adb ☟︎☟︎
asciilifeform: ( likewise unofficial )
trinque: ah thanks
asciilifeform: note that bitnesses MUST be powers of 2
asciilifeform: ( the karatsubatron now demands it )
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> o, speaking of "women in tech" : after thoroughly wrecking yahoo (eerily reminiscent of carly fiorina's "performance" at meanwhile disappeared compaq/hp), melissa meyer disappeared from view ; leaving verizon to pick up teh pieces. << Meyer was paid bonus to fuck off and disappear
mircea_popescu: myea
asciilifeform: note also that the calling style from early versions will not work, there is no longer a .Z , FZ is not a struct any moar, it is just a word array ☟︎
mircea_popescu: which is i suppose the moral little girls learn out of watchingt the trade press : your future is as a whore ; will be paid TO LEAVE.
BingoBoingo: And Cuban is in unfortunate position of having to keep his fortune by running his bouncy ball team as a business, while everyone else runs theirs as a hobby
trinque: asciilifeform: I'll give it a crank on the ppc iron I have laying around; I think you requested that at some point
asciilifeform: i did!
asciilifeform: neato trinque
asciilifeform: the main routine of interest is FZ_Mod_Exp .
asciilifeform: ( aka rsa op )
asciilifeform: every other thing in there, is subservient to it.
asciilifeform: trinque: i left the prev. iteration of FZ_Mod in there, commented out. the current one is there.
asciilifeform: mod6, diana_coman , whoever else was tuned in for ffa ^^^ latest .
diana_coman: asciilifeform, thank you!
asciilifeform: i don't know whether it will make sense to keep this version of knuthdivider, after we have barrett ( where there is still 1 division, but now it is ONE per modexp, and not 8192 of'em ! )
asciilifeform: because it IS more complex and harder to read, than the old.
asciilifeform: but i put it here to show that it is possible to cut another 2x time without barrett.
diana_coman: asciilifeform, if you don't mind me asking: why don't you chronicle all of those on your blog (where it would be easier to follow including historically at any point)?
asciilifeform: ( the 16s incidentally is , e.g., 10s, on intel box ) ☟︎
asciilifeform: diana_coman: formatting code is a bitch
asciilifeform: and having ~same discussion twice likewise
diana_coman: so upload file + link
asciilifeform: and afaik all of the sane people who ever read my www, are already here.
diana_coman: uhm, why same discussion twice?
diana_coman: can have discussion there in logs or here, reference is still there
asciilifeform: i also do not like giving drafts a permanence they do not deserve
asciilifeform: yes, folx can get ffa snippets from archive.is/l0gz but it is clear that they are drafts.
asciilifeform: the fundamental problem is the one discussed in http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1545
asciilifeform: ( which is about pgp sigs, rather than where to post drafts, but the abstract item is the same -- how to avoid giving false permanence )
asciilifeform: once the thing has a final form, diana_coman , then yes it will go on my www; and with commentary; and potentially on dead tree even.
mircea_popescu: she has a legitimate problem though -- interested parties can't follow the matter in their own time. it's currently push not pull, which is always a bad idea.
asciilifeform: dropping code into ben_vulpes's pastetron is imho a sane way to emphasize, to the point of blood, that IT IS NOT A CODE RELEASE
mircea_popescu: would be much better to have a working pullable infrastructure for your item, than to say this thing can't be pulled
asciilifeform: insistent pullers, who do not follow the l0gz in real time, can go to e.g. https://archive.is/http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/lHtia/?raw=true
asciilifeform: my main contention is that folks who do not follow the logs, have 0 business with ffa drafts.
mircea_popescu: but the correct form for this would be https://archive.is/http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/$VAR$/?raw=true and where do they get that var ?
asciilifeform: from log
asciilifeform: where else.
asciilifeform: e.g. http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-02#1719721 ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-10-02 19:30 asciilifeform: trinque: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/lHtia/?raw=true << unofficial ffa.ads ; http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/MqgKb/?raw=true << ffa.adb
mircea_popescu: so what is the idea here, if i wish to review the state of this, other than asking you, i could also what ? !#s ffa ? ☟︎
asciilifeform: it's the magically most accurate way !
asciilifeform: better than asciilifeform's meat, in fact, by far
asciilifeform: gives you not only the code, but the discussion.
asciilifeform: the entire context.
asciilifeform: ( not only the discussion it led to, but that led ~to~ it )
mircea_popescu: at this rate we'll end up with metasyntactic. something like introduce @concept as a notation for concepts so they get indexed.
asciilifeform: imho log supplies all of the 'pull' anybody ought to want.
mircea_popescu: say @ffa instead of simply ffa so ppl can !#s "@ffa" and not get junk
asciilifeform: i try to pick names such as will not lead to junk.
mircea_popescu: how long can this last.
asciilifeform: ( are there any extraneous ffa's ? in the log )
asciilifeform: 4evah
mircea_popescu: what if youi say ffa-tronic ?
asciilifeform: that still greps correctly
mircea_popescu: searching for "@ffa" delivers @ffa-tronic, searching for ffa does not.
asciilifeform: sure it does
asciilifeform: ( and if it doesn't, then the search is not-equivalent-to-grep, aka BROKEN )
diana_coman: eh, try searching for.. "p"
asciilifeform: better example.
asciilifeform: eventually we're prolly doomed to do what mircea_popescu described.
asciilifeform: ( if live long enough )
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=usg << not so. usg-tronic fails to appear.
mircea_popescu: and wtf, really, !#s p ?
asciilifeform: he has a point.
ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=%22usg%22
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes yes, but if you do "ffa" you will get eg hoffa
ben_vulpes: phf's log search has a bifurcative behavior on the quotes
asciilifeform: " ffa"
ben_vulpes: heh
mircea_popescu: so then make space the @ ? this is stupid, space is alreadfy semantically loaded.
asciilifeform: but yeah i agree, this is orcism, and @ or the like is the Right Thing
mircea_popescu: anyway, open for discussion, at least a while yet.
trinque: twitter kids and their hashtags aren't "wrong" so much as that they have nothing at all to say.
mircea_popescu: but it can'tself-standardize so everyone ends up with his own metasyntactic system
trinque: alternatively could be said that the log viewers ought to implement an annotation layer above the text
asciilifeform: trinque: log viewer naturally oughta support it. but without a marker, it cannot work
asciilifeform: i'm satisfied that plain search dun cut it.
mircea_popescu: trinque amusingly hanbot was working on something in this vein
mircea_popescu: but turn it as you will, auctorial adnotation is very hard to beat.
trinque: asciilifeform: can totally work as a separate datastructure from logs, or in-band.
mircea_popescu: !!balance
deedbot: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/X0cXK/?raw=true
asciilifeform: trinque: why would you want to annotate out of band ?!!
trinque: wtf is hypertext exactly?
asciilifeform: the raw text is the only thing all logtrons ( and viewers elsewhere ) automatically get in sync
asciilifeform: it and only it, is the canonical material.
trinque: it's in no way self-evident that this MUST BE IN LOGS
trinque: how are you going to go back and annotate once a conversation diverges into an interesting topic
asciilifeform: if it dun belong in the logs, it possibly dun belong anywhere
trinque: or what of the ancient logs ☟︎
asciilifeform: trinque: 1 possibility is to make annotation 'contagious', sorta like phf's back-arrows
asciilifeform: say i want to 'infect' the line http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-02#1719816 , now if i include @ffa it will apply likewise to it. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-10-02 20:06 trinque: or what of the ancient logs
trinque: was a great idea but now you've buggered it up!
trinque: lol, nah, that does make sense.
asciilifeform: i'm not currently sold that it is great idea. but there might not be a better one.
asciilifeform: 'in-house' annotations that will fall off the net if a particular logviewtron dies, are imho the Wrong Thing.
asciilifeform: let there be 1 text.
trinque: possibly the thing is a standard log reference format, path part of the URL. http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-02?l=1719816&re=logging
trinque: then it's both in the logs, and the logger can do something interesting with it, if it can.
asciilifeform: imho it is much easier on human eye to say, e.g., @ffa
asciilifeform: esp. if i want to mention >1 tag
asciilifeform: ( how many log urls can you even fit in a line of log.. )
mircea_popescu: yeah, demanding anchors for our irc clients is tempting (i know many times i want to give my words as trilema refs directly, like say above cuban), but i suspect not so smart.
mircea_popescu: destroys the whole flow of typed text.
asciilifeform: the @ thing is imho the Right Thing tho
asciilifeform: it dun have much of a practical cost
mircea_popescu: are we actually using @ ?
mircea_popescu: !#s "@"
a111: 344559 results for "\"@\"", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=%22%40%22
mircea_popescu: holy hell.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-01#1718993 << turns out noobs tend to paste it in ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-10-01 03:31 elaineo: @mircea_popescu having never worked in finance, i suppose i'll take your word for it, for now
asciilifeform: !#s "%"
a111: 17337 results for "\"%\"", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=%22%25%22
mircea_popescu: !#s "&"
a111: 8790 results for "\"&\"", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=%22%26%22
asciilifeform: !#s "^"
a111: 10028 results for "\"^\"", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=%22%5E%22
mircea_popescu: !#s "$"
a111: 14824 results for "\"$\"", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=%22$%22
mircea_popescu: & ?
davout: ç
mircea_popescu: though that means fucking and.
asciilifeform: $ is nogood , already used in ancient search cmd
mircea_popescu: ((())) ?
asciilifeform: davout: if ç then just as well ы
mircea_popescu: in fact, do we want it unterminated ?
davout: §
mircea_popescu: davout something i can type plox ty.
asciilifeform: ^
asciilifeform: ( and oh hey another one we've already usedup )
mircea_popescu: !#s "<"
a111: 69146 results for "\"<\"", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=%22%3C%22
asciilifeform: !#s "_"
a111: 103700 results for "\"_\"", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=%22_%22
asciilifeform: !#s "`"
a111: 7916 results for "\"`\"", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=%22%60%22
davout: this is going to end up in #trilema reinventing the semantic web
mircea_popescu: seems that way dunnit.
asciilifeform: oh hey backtick lookin' to be the champ
asciilifeform: ( in least-falsehits )
mircea_popescu: so i would say `ffa` ? or `ffa ?
asciilifeform: `ffa`.
mircea_popescu: so then is `ffa`-tronic or `ffa-tronic` ?
asciilifeform: imho ideally the latter.
mircea_popescu: but the former is strictly correct
mircea_popescu: what do we do to people who spam it ? and most importantly, how ?
asciilifeform: failing to use correct syntax is own punishment -- you later have to sit like asciilifeform and answer q's re old threads that instead machine could've been answering
mircea_popescu: what happens if rando starts loading up "your" concept with bs ?
asciilifeform: what voicetron is for, neh
mircea_popescu: i suppose the from:x is directly suited for this
asciilifeform: and yes.
mircea_popescu: speaking of which, phf can i have notfrom:x as well ?
asciilifeform: ^^^
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=from%3Aascii+from%3Amircea+hurr << also. ☟︎
asciilifeform: re the separators, imho only whole alpha words oughta be tags
mircea_popescu: so then `ffa`-tronic not `ffa-tronic`
asciilifeform: so `ffa-tronic resolves to ffa
asciilifeform: and so does `ffa , `ffa-ism
asciilifeform: imho modifier does not belong in a tag.
asciilifeform: ( that road leads to livejournal. )
asciilifeform: so proposed formula is, ` initiates, any non- A-Za-z character, breaks , a tag.
asciilifeform: incl. space.
mircea_popescu: this is convenient seeing how not having to terminate is a + imo
asciilifeform: ( latin only, also. i can live with latinized orcisms on occasion )
mircea_popescu: but... `cr8 is cr or cr8 ?
asciilifeform: it'd be cr.
asciilifeform: make a case for needing 8 in a tag ?
asciilifeform can think of a few
mircea_popescu: `gossipdv3
asciilifeform: x86.
asciilifeform: aite, A-Za-z0-9
mircea_popescu: nothing wrong with having both `stalin and `cтaлин if anyone can be arsed with that.
mircea_popescu: `ჯუღაშვილი lol
diana_coman: !#s "|"
a111: 20019 results for "\"|\"", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=%22%7C%22
mircea_popescu: diana_coman nah that's bash semantically meaningful
diana_coman: myeah; and search shows it basically as separator
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-02#1719882 << what's wrong with? ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-10-02 20:32 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=from%3Aascii+from%3Amircea+hurr << also.
phf: also can definitely add notfrom: i almost think it should be there already as exclude or filter or somesuch
BingoBoingo: https://identitydixie.com/2017/10/02/the-kangs-geld-and-the-coming-reckoning/
cruciform: !~later tell danielpbarron FGs arrived - tyvm!
jhvh1: cruciform: The operation succeeded.
ag3nt_zer0: hello trilema
ag3nt_zer0: following the guide for trb node creation, in making sure i have correct packages and binaries, seems everything is fine but "sha512sum" read package lists, built dep. tree, read state info, and then says: E: Unable to locate package sha512sum - is this going to create problems and if so how might i fix?
shinohai: ag3nt_zer0: what 'nix are you using?
ag3nt_zer0: ubuntu 14.04
ag3nt_zer0: sup shinohai :)
shinohai: That sgould be included in the core-utils package
shinohai: nm here just chillin, you?
shinohai: (So i am guessing an `apt-get install core-utils` should hook you up.)
ag3nt_zer0: yeah hmmm as i went through the required stuff listed on trb node setup page, all of them said "______ is already the newest version"... all except the sha512sum
ag3nt_zer0: ok will try that
shinohai: General rule is when getting a "E: Unable to locate package" msg in Ubuntu/Deb is to do an apt-cache search for said package.
ag3nt_zer0: same man... been workin a bunch thats about it
ag3nt_zer0: apt-cache search got it! ty
ag3nt_zer0: looking at this vegas shit...
ag3nt_zer0: nationalist gun grab?