mod6: my nodes are caught back up, fwiw
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: tyvm for bringing that to my attention. i dropped the ball on service cutover. as mp astutely observed, the temporary host for these services is not a cuntoo, but some heathen convenience, conveniently different enough from my normal remote home that the logger for the ircbot refused to start, which (somehow!!!!!) fouled the bot's self reboot capabilities.
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: You're welcome. Message made it into a logged channel, glad you debugged and reported the experience.
ben_vulpes: apologies for the degredation in service, i have personal irc logs and will stitch them back into history
BingoBoingo awaits signs of life from mocky in Sandy Uruguay
ben_vulpes: in boring meatnyooz i liquidated the corvette (at a 16 2/3% loss from purchase, notbad given the damage i did to it experimenting with exciting nonstandard control regimes), hired cleaners, scheduled pianoanchor for transfer to a good friend remaining in libtardistan, basement is packed; girl has mucked augean stables of corporeal art school baggage, booked temporary housing at $dest and has been working the
ben_vulpes: phones to line up nexthouse like a champ; the only things left are to get someone to install grates over the roof vents, rent the house, and skeeeeeedaddle.
Mocky: reminds me of 29 palms california. I guess desert pretty much the same everywhere
☟︎ Mocky:
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-08#1859485 >> we headed up the east coast from raleigh past dc, ny, and started over the atlantic at cape cod. shortly after cape cod we turned back to nyc. pilot said primary systems all functioning correctly but a backup system has a malfunction light on and they cant fly more than an hour from land like that.
☝︎ a111: Logged on 2018-10-08 16:24 diana_coman: mircea_popescu, in London; though he did have a weird flight - went back to New York, repaired plane, went back
Mocky: took them ~2hrs to fix and had to power down plane which drained the battery from some other system which then had to be recharged before we could leave
a111: Logged on 2018-10-08 16:31 mircea_popescu: good thing he placed a 30 hour gap there lmao. "what are you going to do in heathrow for that long !? " "fly back and forth repairing planes."
Mocky: I had planned to visit imperial war museum and british museum, but didn't make it to either. I did see wellington arch, hyde park, buckingham palace and assorted others
Mocky: so many bicycles in london! roving packs of ~dozen queueing up at just about every crosswalk stop, at least where I was
Mocky: ugh, it's mid morning. i barely slept two hours each of last two nights. gonna be a long day
☟︎ a111: Logged on 2018-10-08 23:38 trinque: truth. the new voicing behavior oughta help when it comes about.
a111: Logged on 2018-10-09 06:06 Mocky: I have arrived
a111: Logged on 2018-10-09 06:54 Mocky: ugh, it's mid morning. i barely slept two hours each of last two nights. gonna be a long day
a111: Logged on 2018-10-09 06:09 Mocky: reminds me of 29 palms california. I guess desert pretty much the same everywhere
BingoBoingo: Mocky: Congratulations, and yes feel free to sleep
mod6: Glad to hear ya made it Mocky. :]
Mocky: that doesn't seem right
Mocky: this is my fingerprint
trinque: no idea; I'll find out though.
mircea_popescu: diana_coman did you register... mocky's key... as your away key ?!
mircea_popescu: trinque this shouldn't be possible, they have to confirm a reg right ?
trinque: no, unclaimed name fed a key gets that name
trinque: yeah, open to changing, but that's how things stand
mircea_popescu: maybe she had that in a buffer somewhere reg'd the wrong thing ?
deedbot: L1: 1, L2: 0 by 0 connections.
trinque: possible. there isn't a codepath to change a key, so I'd have to ponder what else might've happened.
Mocky: wot.deedbot.org page for Mocky shows diana_away's one rating
Mocky: and one rating is imposter!
Mocky: mircea_popescu, knew!
trinque: Mocky: that part makes sense, as the filename is the fprint, which is clearly a bug
mircea_popescu: Mocky i absolutely was making a spurious joke ; no knowledge of anyu of this.
Mocky: yeah, i get it. was just making spurious joke of my own
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in private : <nicoleci> now back to summarizing the logs everyone laughhs at :( <nicoleci> my lifes work <mircea_popescu> :D <mircea_popescu> can you believe how your life turned out btw ? <mircea_popescu> i mean, even in your darkest nightmares, "ima spend all day working really hard at this super tough task, only for everyone to laugh at my work" <nicoleci> nope, still unbelievable.. not sure when that reality wil
mircea_popescu: l set in or if i should get off to it or cry :) <mircea_popescu> :D <mircea_popescu> i gotta say... when it comes to quality torture... i have no equal.
mod6: I don't think I laughed, it's super hard job, even if you know what is going on. Can't imagine if you don't.
mircea_popescu: yes but unlike all these other assholes you're a kind and caring soul, mod6
mod6: Heheh. Maybe so. I'd like to think I'm getting more crusty in my old age, but maybe not!
lobbes: congrats Mocky on the safe landing!
lobbes:
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-08#1859601 << far away they are. not too long ago I went to an "Understanding Cryptocurrencies and Blockchain" webinar type thing here at $usg.toobigtofailbank. As you'd expect, was filled to the brim with such lulzgems as "Unlike bonds/equities, cryptocurrency has no intrinsic value. No way to establish price point!!". imo They are so far from reality it isn't even
☝︎ a111: Logged on 2018-10-08 18:56 diana_coman: it's more a matter of wtf to do to get through to them in the least seeing how they are so ...far away on all dimensions to any reality
lobbes: deliberate misinformation, it is simply that they have ~0 information to begin with
☟︎ Mocky: thx lobbes. and thx asciilifeform, BingoBoingo, mod6, mircea_popescu
phf: asciilifeform: apparently it's not been taught
phf: i had expiration set on it, which i finally removed for good. the thinking at the time was that i didn't really trust my opsec (mac was still in the loop), but it wasn't much of thinking since the mechanism is promisetronic anyway. i also took an opportunity to clean it up off extra "identities" and random signatures
☟︎ phf: in related apparently you can't have a key without a subkey. the whole primary key/subkey mechanism appears to be mandatory. i think asciilifeform might've ranted about it, but i've not seen it mentioned in the logs
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, o.O apparently I ...did; and I found out how, as well: the crappy lappy on which I had the away account had imported a few public keys, first of which Mocky's
mircea_popescu: diana_coman so you literally exported his key as yours ?
mircea_popescu: phf we've all ranted about it at some time or another. needless to say replacement rsatron does not include idiotic half-baked state machines. much like trb-i doesn't include "accounts" nonsense.
phf: i was under the impression that the subkey gets created as a default genkey behavior, but then you can shuffle things around through edit-key. if you were to remove the subkey through edit key leaving only primary, gnupg refuses to use the primary for encryption.
phf: but yeah, it comes up from time to time. i finally took time to observe the mechanism in action
mircea_popescu: oh shit... you mean, register ~already seen~ pubkey for ~new name~ ?!
diana_coman: the !!reputation thing is correct there though; so it might be only the visualizer
mircea_popescu: trinque she has a point, that table needs a unique on the fp column. deedbot can't accept registeration of keys it's already seen.
☟︎☟︎ mircea_popescu: diana_coman you know what'd have been the lulz of all time ? if both pastes had the same 5digit id
a111: Logged on 2016-01-05 01:37 asciilifeform: my main objection to subkey as implemented in gpg is that IT DOES NOT TELL YOU OR EVEN LET YOU CHOOSE with which modulus (i.e. which sub) it actually signs with !
a111: Logged on 2016-01-05 01:37 asciilifeform: anyone recall how mircea_popescu spewed chunks when i pointed out that he's been signing with a subkey and not with the magical modulus ?
a111: Logged on 2017-10-02 00:49 asciilifeform: the funniest bit is that anybody who spends a few $10k to find sha1 collision, can take it one step further and make a valid subkey for asciilifeform's, or mircea_popescu's, etc. key
Mocky: existential issues?
a111: I haven't seen god before
diana_coman:
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-09#1859786 -> I tend to agree; given how easily I could tell the poor lecturer what was in his inherited slides *before I even saw them*, I guess they literally have (echo of an echo)^n and it was anyway just some hearsay to start with
☝︎☟︎ a111: Logged on 2018-10-09 16:12 lobbes: deliberate misinformation, it is simply that they have ~0 information to begin with
diana_coman: asciilifeform, for ~1k bux you can probably fly to Ro and back and have the dentist treatment included too?
☟︎ diana_coman: Mocky, btw sorry for the mess up with your public key; did it actually create a problem other than the wrong wot.deedbot graph?
☟︎ a111: Logged on 2018-10-09 18:15 diana_coman: asciilifeform, for ~1k bux you can probably fly to Ro and back and have the dentist treatment included too?
a111: Logged on 2018-10-09 18:11 diana_coman:
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-09#1859786 -> I tend to agree; given how easily I could tell the poor lecturer what was in his inherited slides *before I even saw them*, I guess they literally have (echo of an echo)^n and it was anyway just some hearsay to start with
a111: Logged on 2016-11-30 23:04 asciilifeform: 'As more people with less commitment to quality and much less attention to detail got involved in writing it, its educational value diminished, too. It is like going to a library full of books that took 50 man-years to produce each, inventing a way to cut down the costs to a few man-months per book by copying and randomly improving on other books, and then wondering why nobody thinks your library full of these cheaper books is an in
diana_coman: asciilifeform, it's not as much those particular slides themselves - it's simply that I haven't seen anything *other that that* in *any* "academia" material/discussion anywhere
diana_coman: granted, I did not search for this but still
diana_coman: (so perhaps there ...is somewhere, well hidden?)
a111: Logged on 2018-10-09 18:20 diana_coman: Mocky, btw sorry for the mess up with your public key; did it actually create a problem other than the wrong wot.deedbot graph?
Mocky: asciilifeform, nice and warm. encountered a traffic wtf. stop light in the middle of the city with literal 10 minute cycle time in one direction ~20 seconds. took 3 cycles for my taxi to get thru
☟︎☟︎ Mocky: diana_coman, no worries, prolly better to expose the issue sooner than later
Mocky: the building style is very different from what I've seen before, but ~all the signs include english subtitles for traffic and store fronts
Mocky: speaking of streets, street names appear totally optional, address can be a paragraph long description.
☟︎ Mocky: it was funny to fly over the rural areas of qatar and see so many traffic circles and ~25% have a branch that dead ends into desert. prepared for growth i guess
diana_coman: hm, speaking of costa rica style...do they actually have hot water at the taps in costa rica (i.e. not shower only)?
☟︎ Mocky: i don't even know yet!
Mocky: the air looks quite smoggy, but also over the gulf and away from the city to the point where I wondered if it was actually smog
diana_coman: asciilifeform, in some places they do but it wasn't the norm or everywhere/by default
trinque: hrm, still showing as expired
trinque will bbl to further dissect
a111: Logged on 2018-10-09 16:31 phf: i had expiration set on it, which i finally removed for good. the thinking at the time was that i didn't really trust my opsec (mac was still in the loop), but it wasn't much of thinking since the mechanism is promisetronic anyway. i also took an opportunity to clean it up off extra "identities" and random signatures
trinque will take a signed message from phf on what cruft to saw off
☟︎ BingoBoingo: <diana_coman> asciilifeform, for ~1k bux you can probably fly to Ro and back and have the dentist treatment included too? << Also that sound like maybe 100-120 USD in Uruguay
BingoBoingo: <Mocky> speaking of streets, street names appear totally optional, address can be a paragraph long description. << AHA, Montevideo killed that with sane street numbering, but apparently that happens in the boonies here
phf: asciilifeform: yeah, the paste shows that i grab keys from both urls, and the deedbot one is still the old key
phf: asciilifeform: it looks like key updates got merge into the old key, rather than replacin it. the pub is the same, and hasn't been update (still marked as expired), but sub has been replaced, and is now "expired: never". it also added the new identity (where i removed the email) to the rest of the existing identities
phf: asciilifeform: did yours had both pub and sub set to expire, or only sub? you also probably has only one identity in your key
phf: hmm, oddly enough your old pub is also marked as expire
trinque: I used the gpg --import, which I gather didn't work
phf: trinque: yeah, it basically appended all the new bits on top, and didn't reset the pub key's expire. you would have to do --delete-key before --import
trinque would prefer phf just sign "I would like trinque to delete my key and reimport X" for sanity's sake, as it saves me from having to reason through whether this new key is an acceptable substitute for prev, incurring all the "how does gpg really work again?" and so on.
phf: trinque: ack, but i've also noticed that if i were to import ascii's new key over ascii's old key it resets the expirations on both pub and sub, so let me figure out what's going
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: It's the google thing Linus kept his almost blog on