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mod6: my nodes are caught back up, fwiw
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: tyvm for bringing that to my attention. i dropped the ball on service cutover. as mp astutely observed, the temporary host for these services is not a cuntoo, but some heathen convenience, conveniently different enough from my normal remote home that the logger for the ircbot refused to start, which (somehow!!!!!) fouled the bot's self reboot capabilities.
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: You're welcome. Message made it into a logged channel, glad you debugged and reported the experience.
ben_vulpes: apologies for the degredation in service, i have personal irc logs and will stitch them back into history
BingoBoingo awaits signs of life from mocky in Sandy Uruguay
deedbot: http://bimbo.club/?p=46 << Bimbo.Club - TMSR Log Summary - 10/06/2018
ben_vulpes: in boring meatnyooz i liquidated the corvette (at a 16 2/3% loss from purchase, notbad given the damage i did to it experimenting with exciting nonstandard control regimes), hired cleaners, scheduled pianoanchor for transfer to a good friend remaining in libtardistan, basement is packed; girl has mucked augean stables of corporeal art school baggage, booked temporary housing at $dest and has been working the
ben_vulpes: phones to line up nexthouse like a champ; the only things left are to get someone to install grates over the roof vents, rent the house, and skeeeeeedaddle.
ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-08#1859623 << this is what happened to that node when i ran it without the increased aggression patch ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-10-08 19:06 mircea_popescu: http://logs.bvulpes.com/chainstate?d=2018-8-31#416460 << mimi even longer ago ?!
Mocky: I have arrived
diana_coman: oh hey, how's Qatar, Mocky ?
Mocky: reminds me of 29 palms california. I guess desert pretty much the same everywhere
diana_coman: at least they have internet!
Mocky: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-08#1859485 >> we headed up the east coast from raleigh past dc, ny, and started over the atlantic at cape cod. shortly after cape cod we turned back to nyc. pilot said primary systems all functioning correctly but a backup system has a malfunction light on and they cant fly more than an hour from land like that. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-10-08 16:24 diana_coman: mircea_popescu, in London; though he did have a weird flight - went back to New York, repaired plane, went back
Mocky: took them ~2hrs to fix and had to power down plane which drained the battery from some other system which then had to be recharged before we could leave
Mocky: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-08#1859497 >> not 30, 14 originally which was cut by 6 hours by repairs and heathrow shenanigans. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-10-08 16:31 mircea_popescu: good thing he placed a 30 hour gap there lmao. "what are you going to do in heathrow for that long !? " "fly back and forth repairing planes."
Mocky: I had planned to visit imperial war museum and british museum, but didn't make it to either. I did see wellington arch, hyde park, buckingham palace and assorted others
Mocky: so many bicycles in london! roving packs of ~dozen queueing up at just about every crosswalk stop, at least where I was
Mocky: ugh, it's mid morning. i barely slept two hours each of last two nights. gonna be a long day
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-08#1859699 << quite. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-10-08 23:38 trinque: truth. the new voicing behavior oughta help when it comes about.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-09#1859710 << wd! ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-10-09 06:06 Mocky: I have arrived
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-09#1859721 << so get some sleep. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-10-09 06:54 Mocky: ugh, it's mid morning. i barely slept two hours each of last two nights. gonna be a long day
mircea_popescu: why be up to watch the atlantic slide by anyways!
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-09#1859712 << congrats Mocky !! ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-10-09 06:09 Mocky: reminds me of 29 palms california. I guess desert pretty much the same everywhere
BingoBoingo: Mocky: Congratulations, and yes feel free to sleep
mod6: Hey!
mod6: Glad to hear ya made it Mocky. :]
Mocky: !!key Mocky
Mocky: !!key diana_away
deedbot: http://wot.deedbot.org/D6EC973F1D3C91CC1DD0AD43CF32BD2C54C2F93D.asc
deedbot: http://wot.deedbot.org/D6EC973F1D3C91CC1DD0AD43CF32BD2C54C2F93D.asc
Mocky: that doesn't seem right
mircea_popescu: o.O
mod6: that seems strange
mircea_popescu: trinque wtf happened ?! DING DONG!!!
Mocky: this is my fingerprint
mircea_popescu: Mocky wait, you're really diana ?!
mircea_popescu: NO WONDER SHE MET YOU
asciilifeform: lol!!
trinque: !!key diana_away
deedbot: http://wot.deedbot.org/D6EC973F1D3C91CC1DD0AD43CF32BD2C54C2F93D.asc
trinque: wat
mircea_popescu: !!key diana_coman
deedbot: http://wot.deedbot.org/E72DCCB73A5E06694C5CD781D5196EE6390F999E.asc
mircea_popescu: !!key Mocky_away
deedbot: Not registered.
trinque: no idea; I'll find out though.
mircea_popescu: diana_coman did you register... mocky's key... as your away key ?!
mircea_popescu: trinque this shouldn't be possible, they have to confirm a reg right ?
trinque: no, unclaimed name fed a key gets that name
mircea_popescu: ah, right right i recall now
mircea_popescu: for noobs.
trinque: yeah, open to changing, but that's how things stand
mircea_popescu: maybe she had that in a buffer somewhere reg'd the wrong thing ?
mircea_popescu: !!gettrust diana_away
deedbot: L1: 1, L2: 0 by 0 connections.
trinque: possible. there isn't a codepath to change a key, so I'd have to ponder what else might've happened.
Mocky: wot.deedbot.org page for Mocky shows diana_away's one rating
mircea_popescu: haxx
Mocky: and one rating is imposter!
Mocky: mircea_popescu, knew!
trinque: Mocky: that part makes sense, as the filename is the fprint, which is clearly a bug
mircea_popescu: !!#s diana_away
mircea_popescu: um lol
mircea_popescu: !#s diana_away
a111: 38 results for "diana_away", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=diana_away
mircea_popescu: Mocky i absolutely was making a spurious joke ; no knowledge of anyu of this.
Mocky: yeah, i get it. was just making spurious joke of my own
mircea_popescu: kk.
mircea_popescu: well, in a situation... better be plain.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in private : <nicoleci> now back to summarizing the logs everyone laughhs at :( <nicoleci> my lifes work <mircea_popescu> :D <mircea_popescu> can you believe how your life turned out btw ? <mircea_popescu> i mean, even in your darkest nightmares, "ima spend all day working really hard at this super tough task, only for everyone to laugh at my work" <nicoleci> nope, still unbelievable.. not sure when that reality wil
mircea_popescu: l set in or if i should get off to it or cry :) <mircea_popescu> :D <mircea_popescu> i gotta say... when it comes to quality torture... i have no equal.
mircea_popescu: thereby proving the point.
mod6: I don't think I laughed, it's super hard job, even if you know what is going on. Can't imagine if you don't.
mircea_popescu: yes but unlike all these other assholes you're a kind and caring soul, mod6
mod6: Heheh. Maybe so. I'd like to think I'm getting more crusty in my old age, but maybe not!
lobbes: congrats Mocky on the safe landing!
lobbes: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-08#1859601 << far away they are. not too long ago I went to an "Understanding Cryptocurrencies and Blockchain" webinar type thing here at $usg.toobigtofailbank. As you'd expect, was filled to the brim with such lulzgems as "Unlike bonds/equities, cryptocurrency has no intrinsic value. No way to establish price point!!". imo They are so far from reality it isn't even ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-10-08 18:56 diana_coman: it's more a matter of wtf to do to get through to them in the least seeing how they are so ...far away on all dimensions to any reality
lobbes: deliberate misinformation, it is simply that they have ~0 information to begin with
mircea_popescu: i can believe.
deedbot: http://bimbo.club/?p=47 << Bimbo.Club - TMSR Log Summary - 10/07/2018
Mocky: thx lobbes. and thx asciilifeform, BingoBoingo, mod6, mircea_popescu
phf: asciilifeform: apparently it's not been taught
phf: trinque: can you please update my wot key one last time. http://btcbase.org/data/wot/phf.asc
phf: i had expiration set on it, which i finally removed for good. the thinking at the time was that i didn't really trust my opsec (mac was still in the loop), but it wasn't much of thinking since the mechanism is promisetronic anyway. i also took an opportunity to clean it up off extra "identities" and random signatures
phf: in related apparently you can't have a key without a subkey. the whole primary key/subkey mechanism appears to be mandatory. i think asciilifeform might've ranted about it, but i've not seen it mentioned in the logs
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, o.O apparently I ...did; and I found out how, as well: the crappy lappy on which I had the away account had imported a few public keys, first of which Mocky's
mircea_popescu: diana_coman so you literally exported his key as yours ?
mircea_popescu: trinque ^ apparently pebkac
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, yes
mircea_popescu: phf we've all ranted about it at some time or another. needless to say replacement rsatron does not include idiotic half-baked state machines. much like trb-i doesn't include "accounts" nonsense.
phf: i was under the impression that the subkey gets created as a default genkey behavior, but then you can shuffle things around through edit-key. if you were to remove the subkey through edit key leaving only primary, gnupg refuses to use the primary for encryption.
diana_coman: sorry about the mess there trinque
phf: but yeah, it comes up from time to time. i finally took time to observe the mechanism in action
diana_coman: but hm, does this mean that basically anyone can register the public keys and mess up the http://wot.deedbot.org/ ?
diana_coman: !!reputation Mocky
deedbot: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/UsOJx/?raw=true
mircea_popescu: diana_coman only on new names.
mircea_popescu: oh shit... you mean, register ~already seen~ pubkey for ~new name~ ?!
diana_coman: aha
diana_coman: the !!reputation thing is correct there though; so it might be only the visualizer
mircea_popescu: trinque she has a point, that table needs a unique on the fp column. deedbot can't accept registeration of keys it's already seen.
mircea_popescu: !!reputation mocky
deedbot: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/TJE4r/?raw=true
diana_coman: !!reputation diana_away
deedbot: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/f4VxW/?raw=true
mircea_popescu: diana_coman you know what'd have been the lulz of all time ? if both pastes had the same 5digit id
mircea_popescu: then we'd know this is a
mircea_popescu: NIGHTMARE
diana_coman: lol
asciilifeform: !#s from:asciilifeform subkey
a111: 26 results for "from:asciilifeform subkey", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=from%3Aasciilifeform%20subkey
asciilifeform: phf: ^
asciilifeform: e.g., http://btcbase.org/log/2016-01-05#1360580 , http://btcbase.org/log/2016-01-05#1360581 , http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-02#1719300 ☝︎☝︎☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-01-05 01:37 asciilifeform: my main objection to subkey as implemented in gpg is that IT DOES NOT TELL YOU OR EVEN LET YOU CHOOSE with which modulus (i.e. which sub) it actually signs with !
a111: Logged on 2016-01-05 01:37 asciilifeform: anyone recall how mircea_popescu spewed chunks when i pointed out that he's been signing with a subkey and not with the magical modulus ?
a111: Logged on 2017-10-02 00:49 asciilifeform: the funniest bit is that anybody who spends a few $10k to find sha1 collision, can take it one step further and make a valid subkey for asciilifeform's, or mircea_popescu's, etc. key
asciilifeform: plenty of lulz in there
asciilifeform brb,meat
mircea_popescu: let's just not even.
phf: !#born god
phf: !#born god
phf: oops
phf: !#born god
Mocky: existential issues?
mircea_popescu: off to the beach. plox not replace my key meanwhile.
mircea_popescu: !#born dog
phf: !#born god
a111: I haven't seen god before
phf: !#born dog
a111: 2012-09-04 <dog> http://img3i.www.spoki.lv/upload2/articles/51/516169/images/HELLO-YES-THIS-IS-DOG-11.jpg >> http://btcbase.org/log/2012-09-04#-282610
mod6: :D
asciilifeform: oh hey ty phf !
asciilifeform back from dentist... new one better than prev, nao with anaesthetic! tho costs ~3x moar, pretty impressive inflatola, ~1k orcbux for ~halfhr of drill
diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-09#1859786 -> I tend to agree; given how easily I could tell the poor lecturer what was in his inherited slides *before I even saw them*, I guess they literally have (echo of an echo)^n and it was anyway just some hearsay to start with ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-10-09 16:12 lobbes: deliberate misinformation, it is simply that they have ~0 information to begin with
diana_coman: asciilifeform, for ~1k bux you can probably fly to Ro and back and have the dentist treatment included too?
diana_coman: Mocky, btw sorry for the mess up with your public key; did it actually create a problem other than the wrong wot.deedbot graph?
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-09#1859844 << if not counting the time -- then just about == , i expect, to a few % ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-10-09 18:15 diana_coman: asciilifeform, for ~1k bux you can probably fly to Ro and back and have the dentist treatment included too?
asciilifeform: by that token, cuba prolly even cheaper ( tho getting to it from the reich is a little tricky )
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-09#1859842 << erry so often, when using searchtrons, i run across some slide deck from e.g. uni of bangalore etc., they invariably have this flavour, where it is clear that deck itself was made from googlelolade , ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-10-09 18:11 diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-09#1859786 -> I tend to agree; given how easily I could tell the poor lecturer what was in his inherited slides *before I even saw them*, I guess they literally have (echo of an echo)^n and it was anyway just some hearsay to start with
asciilifeform: with distinct smell of http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-30#1575059 ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-11-30 23:04 asciilifeform: 'As more people with less commitment to quality and much less attention to detail got involved in writing it, its educational value diminished, too. It is like going to a library full of books that took 50 man-years to produce each, inventing a way to cut down the costs to a few man-months per book by copying and randomly improving on other books, and then wondering why nobody thinks your library full of these cheaper books is an in
diana_coman: asciilifeform, it's not as much those particular slides themselves - it's simply that I haven't seen anything *other that that* in *any* "academia" material/discussion anywhere
diana_coman: granted, I did not search for this but still
diana_coman: (so perhaps there ...is somewhere, well hidden?)
asciilifeform: diana_coman: erry so often i try an' search for some symptom that heathens know of trb etc., ~never found
Mocky: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-09#1859845 >> just a moment of confusion ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-10-09 18:20 diana_coman: Mocky, btw sorry for the mess up with your public key; did it actually create a problem other than the wrong wot.deedbot graph?
asciilifeform: ohai Mocky ! how is desert planet ?
diana_coman: Mocky, ah, phew; still: sorry about it
Mocky: asciilifeform, nice and warm. encountered a traffic wtf. stop light in the middle of the city with literal 10 minute cycle time in one direction ~20 seconds. took 3 cycles for my taxi to get thru
asciilifeform: eh we have these here in washingtonistan
Mocky: diana_coman, no worries, prolly better to expose the issue sooner than later
Mocky: the building style is very different from what I've seen before, but ~all the signs include english subtitles for traffic and store fronts
Mocky: speaking of streets, street names appear totally optional, address can be a paragraph long description.
diana_coman: ahaha, costa rica style
asciilifeform recalls mailing a FG to CR and address wouldn't fit on the customs form
Mocky: it was funny to fly over the rural areas of qatar and see so many traffic circles and ~25% have a branch that dead ends into desert. prepared for growth i guess
diana_coman: hm, speaking of costa rica style...do they actually have hot water at the taps in costa rica (i.e. not shower only)?
diana_coman: in qatar*
diana_coman: in costa rica I know they don't
asciilifeform: nuts! i had nfi
asciilifeform: barbarism.
Mocky: i don't even know yet!
asciilifeform: Mocky: does the place live up to the reputation for 'top smog' ?
Mocky: the air looks quite smoggy, but also over the gulf and away from the city to the point where I wondered if it was actually smog
diana_coman: asciilifeform, in some places they do but it wasn't the norm or everywhere/by default
asciilifeform: Mocky: i seem to recall that they have petro-smog
Mocky: makes sense
trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-09#1859791 << no problem, done. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-10-09 16:30 phf: trinque: can you please update my wot key one last time. http://btcbase.org/data/wot/phf.asc
trinque: hrm, still showing as expired
asciilifeform: !!key phf
deedbot: http://wot.deedbot.org/BDDE12104FE81BE7F83B698F5356DE4752432A9E.asc
asciilifeform: ^ loox like the old one ?
asciilifeform: or hm no, has a new sig with today's date
asciilifeform: confirmed that gpg still thinks 'expired' after eating
asciilifeform: ^ phf !
asciilifeform: pretty odd tho, per my understanding it oughta work
trinque will bbl to further dissect
asciilifeform: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/JSaJ4/?raw=true << disasm, ftr
asciilifeform: phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-09#1859792 << ftr the crud-scrubbing didn't work either, various old cruft still apparently in there ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-10-09 16:31 phf: i had expiration set on it, which i finally removed for good. the thinking at the time was that i didn't really trust my opsec (mac was still in the loop), but it wasn't much of thinking since the mechanism is promisetronic anyway. i also took an opportunity to clean it up off extra "identities" and random signatures
asciilifeform: tho it could be artifact of gpg on trinque end, depending on how he keeps these ( if you use the built-in 'import' mechanism, it never throws out cruft )
trinque will take a signed message from phf on what cruft to saw off
BingoBoingo: <diana_coman> asciilifeform, for ~1k bux you can probably fly to Ro and back and have the dentist treatment included too? << Also that sound like maybe 100-120 USD in Uruguay
phf: trinque: i think something failed in the deedbot update, because the scrubbed key at link is proper. i've tested it, http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/cIIG6/?raw=true
BingoBoingo: <Mocky> speaking of streets, street names appear totally optional, address can be a paragraph long description. << AHA, Montevideo killed that with sane street numbering, but apparently that happens in the boonies here
asciilifeform: phf: try the one that deedbot returns to !!key , it dun go
asciilifeform: oh nm already did
asciilifeform: ( i get exactly that pub 4096R/52432A9E 2013-10-06 [expired: 2018-10-07] )
phf: asciilifeform: yeah, the paste shows that i grab keys from both urls, and the deedbot one is still the old key
asciilifeform: phf: the deedbot one still does contain a sign with today's date tho
asciilifeform: so can't be entirely old key
asciilifeform: see lns. 1102 and 1344 of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-09#1859891 ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-10-09 19:55 asciilifeform: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/JSaJ4/?raw=true << disasm, ftr
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: dunno if you know how the local racket worx, but 120bux is what i actually paid on site; but if i add up the insurance premiums, it's ~breakeven
asciilifeform: ( twist : if you dun buy the insurance, the tooth-diddlers & quacks charge 2x )
phf: asciilifeform: it looks like key updates got merge into the old key, rather than replacin it. the pub is the same, and hasn't been update (still marked as expired), but sub has been replaced, and is now "expired: never". it also added the new identity (where i removed the email) to the rest of the existing identities
asciilifeform: phf: it's what i suspected aha
asciilifeform: gpg --import behaves like this.
asciilifeform: somehow on koch planet, is seen as acceptable..
asciilifeform: what i am puzzled by, is why i did not have this headache myself when i de-expired mine last yr
phf: asciilifeform: did yours had both pub and sub set to expire, or only sub? you also probably has only one identity in your key
asciilifeform: yea iirc only sub was expireful
asciilifeform: and yes i had '1 identity' , why would i have moar
asciilifeform: what useful does it do
phf: hmm, oddly enough your old pub is also marked as expire
asciilifeform: !!key asciilifeform
deedbot: http://wot.deedbot.org/17215D118B7239507FAFED98B98228A001ABFFC7.asc
phf: this is your old key http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/nAdrX/?raw=true
asciilifeform: aah the prev yes
trinque: I used the gpg --import, which I gather didn't work
phf: trinque: yeah, it basically appended all the new bits on top, and didn't reset the pub key's expire. you would have to do --delete-key before --import
asciilifeform: phf: you should still be able to override the clock and sign a letter to trinque with old pub
asciilifeform: ( is why i de-expired mine, so i dun have to ask trinque for this favour again )
trinque would prefer phf just sign "I would like trinque to delete my key and reimport X" for sanity's sake, as it saves me from having to reason through whether this new key is an acceptable substitute for prev, incurring all the "how does gpg really work again?" and so on.
phf: trinque: ack, but i've also noticed that if i were to import ascii's new key over ascii's old key it resets the expirations on both pub and sub, so let me figure out what's going
trinque: kk
BingoBoingo: !Qlater tell Mocky Don't forget to foto blog
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2018/10/google-aborts-google-plus-after-leak-in-seventh-year-of-life/ << Qntra - Google Aborts "Google Plus" After Leak In Seventh Year Of Life
asciilifeform: lol wtf was 'google plus'.
asciilifeform: apparently asciilifeform is insufficiently expert entomologist... dun recall what it was.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: It's the google thing Linus kept his almost blog on
asciilifeform: lolyea got this from the qntra
BingoBoingo: But that's about it
asciilifeform: reminds me of those blox of flats in bmore, where city brings out bulldozer when the 1 remaining old d00d in it finally keels
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: recall, coupla yrs ago asciilifeform considered to buy one, then found he dun quite have the budget for the req'd terraforming
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Well, kinda what it was
asciilifeform: meanwhile, in archaeology : https://archive.is/QVIlg << rare example of non-google arm lappy. ( spoiler : out of print )
asciilifeform: google somehow killed'em all, afaik.
asciilifeform: unobtainium, near as i can tell, at any price.