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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25448 @ 0.00049132 = 12.5031 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1548 @ 0.00049188 = 0.7614 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=104894.msg1298149#msg1298149
mircea_popescu: that's a pretty juicy read.
dub: tldr?
dub: repost of confessions of a ppt op?
mircea_popescu: nah
mircea_popescu: repost of mpoe-pr's story, six months later.
mircea_popescu: but with moar emotion and inside angles
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4300 @ 0.00048692 = 2.0938 BTC [-]
Azelphur: mircea_popescu: that's somewhat good to know :P
mircea_popescu: is it ?
Azelphur: indeed
dub: is it time to hire a hit yet?
dub: the whole word is bond thing swings both ways
Azelphur: I heard BrightAnarchist is interested in suing him
mircea_popescu: dub you know how all this "hire a hit" talk sounds ? like two down and out meth whores sitting in their three year old miniskirts on the curb. they don't wear underwear because they can't afford underwear.
mircea_popescu: and one goes to the other "time to call the helicopter yet ?"
dub: well its easy to take the high ground
mircea_popescu: no but seriously. a hit costs money. it doesn't pay 7% a month. ergo.
mircea_popescu: wait, i mean 7% a week. or a day. or WHATEVERTHEFUCK
dub: yes yes, you were right, well done.
dub: and certainly some were way to deep in that poo pond
dub: I lost pocket change but I'd happily contribute to preventing him continuing this career of fuckwitery
dub: given proximity I would gleefully mete out at least some disfigurement myself
mircea_popescu: you would ?!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34500 @ 0.00049188 = 16.9699 BTC [+]
dub: its been a long time, to feel of skin and bone cracking under my fists, what better justice is there?
dub: I would have thought this fit with the libertarian ideal, eye for an eye oslt
mircea_popescu: suppose you get arrested.
dub: avoidable but not the end of the world (btdt)
mircea_popescu: no but i mean, suppose you get arrested.
mircea_popescu: are you going to pay for your lawyer out of pocket ?
dub: depends on circumstances, if there was hope of winning I might, otherwise take the court appointed monkey and a conviction
mircea_popescu: and all this for why ?
mircea_popescu: your time would be better spent cleanning floors
dub: justice and the greater good?
mircea_popescu: beating up some douche ?
dub: (a little pleasure_
mircea_popescu: a well if it's a sexual thing...
dub: yeah why not? dude that looks like elephant man will have a harder time with confidence tricks
mircea_popescu: course a hit traditionally means killing him.
dub: well hit I think traditionally means 'impact'
dub: but colloquially, whatever
mircea_popescu: but anyway : you're flat out wrong. dude that looks like elephant man has a much easier time scamming everyone
mircea_popescu: starting with the welfare department.
dub: so you would rather what? smugly admonish the suckers and allow this scum to continue victimising people?
mircea_popescu: just not trade with him anymore.
mircea_popescu: well, i wasn't trading with him to begin with, for the exact reasons, but as an academic point.
dub: what about the next guy, or innocent old lady
mircea_popescu: there's no innocence in ignorance.
mircea_popescu: old lady should retain the services of someone who's not innocent.
mircea_popescu: for a fee.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1916 @ 0.00048879 = 0.9365 BTC [-]
dub: perhaps cultural expectations
mircea_popescu: but don't you think in principle it's more efficient to hire counsel before than to break bones after ?
dub: sure, if warranted
dub: theres a cost benefit relationship
mircea_popescu: what's if warranted mean ?
dub: at high school your buddy wants to borrow $5 for a donut from the tuckshop, do you hire lawyers first or twist his arm later?
dub: replace twist arm with cry to mommy if need be
dub: I don't understand how a libertarian is in favor of adding consultation tax to every transaction in life (then I don't understand libertarians much)
mircea_popescu: well for one point im not terribly concerned with a labeling, so i dunno that i am libertarian or anything.
mircea_popescu: but your school example is very bad, because a. you're in close proximity and b. in most cultures kids are supposed to twist each others' arms all through kid years.
mircea_popescu: doing a little more or a little less has overall little impact.
mircea_popescu: suppose your wife cheats on you (and you care). do you kill her or pick a better woman next time ?
dub: well I think it translates ok
dub: a) he is acting like a child b) there are peopl ein proximity who can achieve result
mircea_popescu: well, i could argue it's child abuse to try and find children to do stupid things. rather than have them beat up pirate you might as well fuck them, end result's the same.
mircea_popescu: and otherwise, a system which relies on being sufficiently childish seems a little... unappealing.
dub: not to them
mircea_popescu: the only way violence works in the frame you wish to use it is as a manifestation of dominance.
dub: I must go now and drink copiously
mircea_popescu: if you could beat up pirate with impunity and regularity (such as the state does) then maybe.
mircea_popescu: otherwise, hit and run affairs... he'll just count himself wronged.
mircea_popescu: later.
smickles: how well does beating someone up get your money back anyway?
smickles: or what's the benefit otherwise, i don't see much to gain in it
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2584 @ 0.00048879 = 1.263 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6851 @ 0.0004898 = 3.3556 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1781 @ 0.0004898 = 0.8723 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12852 @ 0.00049188 = 6.3216 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28164 @ 0.00049197 = 13.8558 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13000 @ 0.00048878 = 6.3541 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8200 @ 0.00048878 = 4.008 BTC [-]
thestringpuller: i summon thee mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: hm ?
thestringpuller: lol it worked
thestringpuller: lets start a bitcoin mafia to enforce gpg contracts
mircea_popescu: heh
thestringpuller: ruff em up
thestringpuller: then we'll see who doesnt pay
thestringpuller: in all seriousness this months puts expire at 1159pm UTC Oct 26
thestringpuller: correct?
mircea_popescu: yea
thestringpuller: i hope there is a huge panic tomorrow
thestringpuller: lol
thestringpuller: ill profit if it drops to 10.45ish
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10673 @ 0.0004893 = 5.2223 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: why is s.mpoe going up so high?
mircea_popescu: well... i guess not that much else left.
thestringpuller: can i interview you one day warren buffet style and put it on reddit?
thestringpuller: like q: do you think the bitcoin economy will get better?
thestringpuller: haha
mircea_popescu: sure.
pigeons: thestringpuller: what is that brown stuff on your nose?
mircea_popescu: introducing the new command, STATJSON
thestringpuller: LOL
mircea_popescu: jurov you'll get a kick out of this http://polimedia.us/bitcoin/faq.html#5
thestringpuller: pigeons gots jokes
thestringpuller: bitcoin needs brokers
thestringpuller: without smickles i wouldnt have been able to get options while itm
mircea_popescu: no coinbr ?
thestringpuller: coinbr isnt fully automated
thestringpuller: i would need jurov to expedite deposits
thestringpuller: smickles essentially opened a mini margin position for me
mircea_popescu: a
thestringpuller: and i sent him coins
mircea_popescu: get on kakobrekla's case to add mpex support in smpake
thestringpuller: LOL
thestringpuller: well its cool mpex has demand for brokerage
thestringpuller: maybe one day when im golfing i can call jurov and be all "sell sell sell sell"
thestringpuller: is smpake like an extension of green addresses?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14654 @ 0.00049197 = 7.2093 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10800 @ 0.0004921 = 5.3147 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21956 @ 0.00049259 = 10.8153 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: oh man its gonna hit .0005
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller spmpake is like a send money early thing
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32900 @ 0.0004912 = 16.1605 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37527 @ 0.0004893 = 18.362 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28900 @ 0.00048878 = 14.1257 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1600 @ 0.00048692 = 0.7791 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11558 @ 0.00048633 = 5.621 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16700 @ 0.00048438 = 8.0891 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10300 @ 0.00048423 = 4.9876 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16146 @ 0.0004841 = 7.8163 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13159 @ 0.00048393 = 6.368 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15700 @ 0.00048265 = 7.5776 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39912 @ 0.00048164 = 19.2232 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 10.56782, Best ask: 10.59400, Bid-ask spread: 0.02618, Last trade: 10.53800, 24 hour volume: 79094.75129794, 24 hour low: 10.52000, 24 hour high: 11.37000, 24 hour vwap: 10.86052
mircea_popescu: o wouldja look at that.
jurov: thestringpuller, you'll need both me and mircea to expedite deposits :)
jurov: STATJSON, eh?
mircea_popescu: jurov how about that.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7619 @ 0.00047423 = 3.6132 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5185 @ 0.00047462 = 2.4609 BTC [+]
jurov: heh, apparently i have to lay down with cold to start things moving
mircea_popescu: you have to what ?!
jurov: oh my engrish... i got cold yesterday and went to bed soon
mircea_popescu: o o
mircea_popescu: haha funny how that works isnt it
mircea_popescu: but srsly, it was in testing for weeks.
mircea_popescu: one point : the format for stat might change in the future, but not too soon. i expect everyone who uses stats programatically to move to statjson in the coming months.
mircea_popescu: then stat can be updated
jurov: okay
jurov: haha thestringpuller...you already know my hourly rate for development... multiply it by any odd prime and i'll do some phonesex..er.. brokerage
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: prolly should ping smickles about this too. who else... brendio's not on i see
thestringpuller: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 10.60103, Best ask: 10.68729, Bid-ask spread: 0.08626, Last trade: 10.69123, 24 hour volume: 78962.39488685, 24 hour low: 10.52000, 24 hour high: 11.37000, 24 hour vwap: 10.85370
thestringpuller: ;;bc,24hprc
gribble: 10.83
thestringpuller: smickles if you arent able to push the options to jurov before 2359 utc could you exercise the options for me?
mircea_popescu: they autoexercise
EskimoBob: autoexercise = lay in bed and get fit
mircea_popescu: lol
EskimoBob: 8.26445 FUUUUCK
mircea_popescu: ?
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 10.54624, Best ask: 10.62728, Bid-ask spread: 0.08104, Last trade: 10.62739, 24 hour volume: 78876.67072837, 24 hour low: 10.52000, 24 hour high: 11.37000, 24 hour vwap: 10.85330
EskimoBob: someone got scared
mircea_popescu: gtfo stop scaring me lol
EskimoBob: EUR
mircea_popescu: a
jurov: ;;bc,convert eur
gribble: 1 BTC = 10.62739 U.S. dollars = 8.21536024 Euros
mircea_popescu: 8.21 not .26
EskimoBob: it changes, you know... doh!
EskimoBob: I am looking at this one http://bitcoincharts.com/markets/mtgoxEUR.html
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13621 @ 0.00047677 = 6.4941 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 10.54624, Best ask: 10.62716, Bid-ask spread: 0.08092, Last trade: 10.62716, 24 hour volume: 78834.66719548, 24 hour low: 10.52000, 24 hour high: 11.37000, 24 hour vwap: 10.85285
mircea_popescu: i wonder wtf did it.
jurov: what is "md5Checksum" from JSONSTAT for?
mircea_popescu: padding, mostly.
mircea_popescu: it does the md5hash of the section
mircea_popescu: so you can use it to check sections integrity if presented with the cleartext signed document
mircea_popescu: gives a little armor-y strength to cleatext without actually going armor.
jurov: i guessed as much.. but can't find out how to compute the checksum
jurov: for example
jurov: "Book":[{"2975392":{"MPSIC":"S.MPOE", "BS":"B", "Quantity":"20000", "Price":"21000"}},
jurov: {"md5Checksum":"356265b8eb6a38ac64536447c0070954"}],
jurov: tried
jurov: echo -n '{"2975392":{"MPSIC":"S.MPOE", "BS":"B", "Quantity":"20000", "Price":"21000"}}' | md5sum
jurov: is different
mircea_popescu: those are \n not spaces in there right ?
jurov: i see only \n after "Price":"21000"}},
mircea_popescu: echo -n '{"2975392":{"MPSIC":"S.MPOE", "BS":"B", "Quantity":"20000", "Price":"21000"}},
mircea_popescu: > ' | md5sum
mircea_popescu: 356265b8eb6a38ac64536447c0070954 -
mircea_popescu: seems right ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23112 @ 0.00048 = 11.0938 BTC [+]
jurov: yes, right
mircea_popescu: haha apparently it's already working :p
jurov: *snatches this to project wiki
mircea_popescu: good idea.
jurov: gonna have some autoexercise now.. see you later
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6800 @ 0.00047677 = 3.242 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35800 @ 0.00047724 = 17.0852 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11200 @ 0.00047724 = 5.3451 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4600 @ 0.00047724 = 2.1953 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39000 @ 0.00048 = 18.72 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4875 @ 0.00047677 = 2.3243 BTC [-]
thestringpuller: 3
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27800 @ 0.00047558 = 13.2211 BTC [-]
mod6: mircea_popescu: so there is JSONSTAT nao!? :D
mod6: so one would just use JSONSTAT instead of stat and then per the reqest they get an pgp encrypted/signed JSON output of the STAT?
thestringpuller: mr. mircea_popescu
thestringpuller: and mr. jurov
mod6: (This is going to be helpful to show the users STAT in BitOTTer -- instead of doing a bunch of parsing against the formatting.
mod6: )
mod6: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 10.45101, Best ask: 10.50000, Bid-ask spread: 0.04899, Last trade: 10.50000, 24 hour volume: 74462.49957867, 24 hour low: 10.37300, 24 hour high: 11.15000, 24 hour vwap: 10.69639
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4628 @ 0.00047558 = 2.201 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3800 @ 0.00047487 = 1.8045 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34900 @ 0.00047351 = 16.5255 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9390 @ 0.00047072 = 4.4201 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14010 @ 0.00047061 = 6.5932 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2772 @ 0.00047351 = 1.3126 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37300 @ 0.00047378 = 17.672 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: sir MiningBuddy
thestringpuller: sir mircea_popescu
thestringpuller: *
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5742 @ 0.00047378 = 2.7204 BTC [+]
jurov: thestringpuller?
kakobrekla: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 9.88000, Best ask: 9.89919, Bid-ask spread: 0.01919, Last trade: 9.89919, 24 hour volume: 95950.94904574, 24 hour low: 9.80000, 24 hour high: 11.12590, 24 hour vwap: 10.53361
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26700 @ 0.00047097 = 12.5749 BTC [-]
Chaang-Noi: under 10
Chaang-Noi: sad
jurov: oops
kakobrekla: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 205090 | Current Difficulty: 3072321.7320208 | Next Difficulty At Block: 205631 | Next Difficulty In: 541 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 3 days, 13 hours, 3 minutes, and 26 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 3213027.65513633 | Estimated Percent Change: 4.57979129103
gigavps: Chaang-Noi more fun for the rest of us
Chaang-Noi: ?
Chaang-Noi: why?
Chaang-Noi: cuz you are buying?
gigavps: because it's fun
Chaang-Noi: ok
gigavps: looks like we're getting a little bounce here before back below $10
Chaang-Noi: a decent bounce
Chaang-Noi: i wonder if someone is just messing with the price to have options hit
Chaang-Noi: anyway off to bed
jurov: dunno, mpoe is using 24hr average, it needs more serious nudge to be affected
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8900 @ 0.00047061 = 4.1884 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13274 @ 0.00047061 = 6.2469 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13026 @ 0.0004701 = 6.1235 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40174 @ 0.0004701 = 18.8858 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2900 @ 0.00047009 = 1.3633 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2126 @ 0.00047 = 0.9992 BTC [-]
thestringpuller: i need to speak with senor smickles
thestringpuller: señor smickles*
thestringpuller: ;;seen smickles
gribble: smickles was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 15 hours, 39 minutes, and 16 seconds ago: <smickles> or what's the benefit otherwise, i don't see much to gain in it
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7800 @ 0.00047 = 3.666 BTC [-]
mod6: !ticker S.MPOE
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1day: 0.00043602 / 0.0004728 / 0.00049259 (1711086 shares, 809.00 BTC), 30day: 0.00025015 / 0.00037572 / 0.00049259 (87757519 shares, 32,972.81 BTC)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28815 @ 0.00047066 = 13.5621 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: anyone know how to contact smickles?
Anduck: ;;seen smickles
gribble: smickles was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 16 hours, 29 minutes, and 19 seconds ago: <smickles> or what's the benefit otherwise, i don't see much to gain in it
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17174 @ 0.00047097 = 8.0884 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9026 @ 0.00047514 = 4.2886 BTC [+]
smickles: ;;bc,24hprc
gribble: 10.39
smickles: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 9.94798, Best ask: 9.94800, Bid-ask spread: 0.00002, Last trade: 9.94798, 24 hour volume: 89460.44746472, 24 hour low: 9.74000, 24 hour high: 10.95000, 24 hour vwap: 10.42133