knotwork: mircea_popescu maybe MPEX should officially have a location in a specific city of Romanian nation on a specific planet within the Galactic Milieu, where the govt of that Freeciv nation can even document specific law that applies to such markets operating on their territory of that planet
knotwork: the Romanian nation has not been claimed yet by any players
knotwork: (Take a look at Digitalis OT server's asset contracts, their jurisdiction is the city MI5ius on the planet known as M5)
knotwork: is that a world, nation, province, city, novel, or what?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16000 @ 0.00037433 = 5.9893 BTC [-]
knotwork: if it is a major city, probably most planets on which the Romanian nation builds many cities will have one by that name
knotwork: just like most Canadian planets have an Ottawa and a Toronto and so on and Brit planets usually have a London and a Liverpool etc
knotwork: in this case its the software developers, they package existing/historic city names as default names so players dont need to exert imagination to invent names for cities
knotwork: MI-5ius being an exception, as the main city where the Martian Intelligence service's section 5 is based
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24269 @ 0.00037521 = 9.106 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17917 @ 0.00037546 = 6.7271 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18978 @ 0.00037546 = 7.1255 BTC [+]
Ukto: mircea_popescu: man, all these people with crazy ass govt concpiracy theories
Ukto: "omg.. black helicopteres coming for my bitcoins!"
Bugpowder: OMG black helicopters are coming for my investors bitcoins. I better steal them
mircea_popescu: i'll bet you ancient spanish golden dubloons vs delicious cream filled doughnuts that in about a year's time mccarthy shows up all lambert-like
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6677 @ 0.00037447 = 2.5003 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1day: 0.0032 / 0.00321255 / 0.00339995 (53350 shares, 171.39 BTC), 30day: 0.0032 / 0.00337158 / 0.0034 (1606703 shares, 5,417.13 BTC)
assbot: [MPEX:S.BVPS] 1day: 0.0027501 / 0.00332457 / 0.00350001 (3510 shares, 11.67 BTC), 30day: 0.001175 / 0.00340428 / 0.00359486 (74170 shares, 252.50 BTC)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4100 @ 0.00037447 = 1.5353 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P010T] 14 @ 0.03 = 0.42 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22322 @ 0.00037528 = 8.377 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38880 @ 0.00037575 = 14.6092 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C130T] 650 @ 0.15735201 = 102.2788 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35623 @ 0.00037447 = 13.3397 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7217 @ 0.00037433 = 2.7015 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7160 @ 0.00037366 = 2.6754 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P130T] 650 @ 0.19800156 = 128.701 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6540 @ 0.00037366 = 2.4437 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5900 @ 0.00037265 = 2.1986 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31860 @ 0.00037219 = 11.858 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21286 @ 0.00037219 = 7.9224 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26554 @ 0.00037198 = 9.8776 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4560 @ 0.00037172 = 1.695 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 550 @ 0.00339995 = 1.87 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7440 @ 0.00037172 = 2.7656 BTC [-]
gribble: Best bid: 11.99991, Best ask: 12, Bid-ask spread: 0.00009, Last trade: 12, 24 hour volume: 38173, 24 hour low: 12, 24 hour high: 12.8136
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4400 @ 0.00037067 = 1.6309 BTC [-]
boonies4u: anyone know how long BFL will be accepting trade-ins for ASICs?
rdponticelli: boonies4u: answering your question would requiere to assume a whole lot of uncertainties to be true...
boonies4u: iirc they would be accepting them for trade in for some time after releasing pre orders
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 437913 @ 0.0032725 = 1433.0703 BTC [-]
rdponticelli: Yeah, but in first place you're assuming that BFL is making ASICS, that they're going to be ready on a relatively short term...
rdponticelli: That they're going to accept a swap for that supposed new product...
boonies4u: if they aren't making ASICs, I'll be stuck with an FPGA
rdponticelli: Ok, I'm just saying that until ALL of those assumptions becomes a certainty, your question is impossible to answer
boonies4u: do you remember hearing that they would be taking in trade-ins for some time?
rdponticelli: Yeah, I read a lot of people saying a lot of things
rdponticelli: But I don't know if those supposed trade-ins would be limited in time
boonies4u: I'll just wait until I get an email back
boonies4u: and eat whatever costs come from BTC price drop
boonies4u: and without the mining turds, I need to bring in mined coins ASAP
rdponticelli: Well, with glbse down, you're safe from the turds, at least
boonies4u: and neither were my investors apparently
boonies4u: I am afraid of waiting 3 weeks for an FPGA to get here, as I burn through coins
rdponticelli: Yeah, is a sensible time to buy hardware, so close of the reward halving....
boonies4u: maybe you were right about the mining turds
boonies4u: might have just been one less thing that could fuck me
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P090T] 10 @ 0.05188801 = 0.5189 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P100T] 10 @ 0.06815531 = 0.6816 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P110T] 10 @ 0.105 = 1.05 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P200T] 313 @ 0.78195045 = 244.7505 BTC [+]
rdponticelli: I don't know, but if asics really come out, the turds are going to plumbet even more
rdponticelli: If there'll be no asic, they can recover some value, as the market has been pricing in that possibility from a while now...
boonies4u: I think the days of private mining contracts have returned
rdponticelli: I bought some dirty cheap giga.etf, but again, it's a gamble....
boonies4u: anything involving bitcoin is a gamble
boonies4u: unless you're a business only accepting bitcoin through bitpay
noagendamarket: If i was the feds i wpould just go around stealing bitcoins and scamming to destroy its confidence
boonies4u: anyone realize if you spin MNW around it reads MNW
boonies4u: anyone actually know his middle name?
smickles: So it looks like the Tucson Chamber of Commerce likes me :D
mod6: did you move there yet smickles?
smickles: mod6: yeah, I'm here, we found a place to live day before yesterday, and just started putting our stuff in there today
mod6: thats awesome. i miss the weather!
mod6: .. i gotta head down there soon and visit
smickles: sweet, I wonder how many 'bitcoiners' are within range of me now?
boonies4u: well there's the drug lords in Mexico
smickles: the first food joint we went to happend to be a 40 yr old chineese food place, family owned and delicious
mod6: you'll have to give eegees a try
smickles: mod6: yeah, they're everywhere!
smickles: boonies4u: I wasn't prepared to pay in btc, so I didn't ask
mod6: f yeah, its my personal fav.
boonies4u: smickles: would have been embarrassing if they said yes
boonies4u: I remember it hard to get btc out of GLBSE before
smickles: were there developments in the last 8 hous?
smickles: are they going to take it anymore?
noagendamarket: should just use opensim and run a virtual stock exchaneg inside it
Diablo-D3: boonies4u: I was that way for an entire month
boonies4u: noagendamarket: getting glad makes you a poser though
Diablo-D3: so Im going to go back to my default policy
boonies4u: this behavior makes me very apathetic
Diablo-D3: No more stress, no more babysitting trolls, no more losing the sleep I already dont get, no more daydreaming about something thats never going to happen, no more fucking bullshit
smickles: dunno, just being odd, i suppose
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9000 @ 0.00037067 = 3.336 BTC [-]
Diablo-D3: long term stress resulting in a heart attach is a disease.
smickles: complacency probably causes more heart disease than stress
____Atlas_____: Some idiot just put a bunch of anarchist propaganda in the Bitcoin wikipedia page.
Diablo-D3: seriously, what do I get out of continuing to fight this?
boonies4u: Diablo-D3: given your behavior, I won't take your seriously
boonies4u: ____Atlas_____: you're an anarchist night-tremor
Diablo-D3: boonies4u: take me seriously for what? I spent hundreds of hours trying to move DMC forward
boonies4u: like 200 hundred, or closer to 1000?
____Atlas_____: I have never heard somebody describe something in 100s of hours
gribble: Best bid: 12.2, Best ask: 12.3098, Bid-ask spread: 0.10980, Last trade: 12.3098, 24 hour volume: 40408, 24 hour low: 11.95, 24 hour high: 12.8136
boonies4u: ____Atlas_____: it means that he didn't put in consistent hours per week
smickles: well, combined with a diff increase
smickles: I dunno if glbse affected the exchange rate at all
smickles: what have we been doing that had so little affect
____Atlas_____: They wanted to give GLBSE issuers the first batch of rigs
____Atlas_____: This is just statements on the forums but it is likely true
Diablo-D3: [10:34:00] <____Atlas_____> Usually you move on to weeks at that point.
Diablo-D3: what is a week? 40 hours? 60? 80? 20?
boonies4u: Diablo-D3: you probably didn't put 40 in a week
Diablo-D3: companies dont startup on only 40 hours a week.
Diablo-D3: boonies4u: in the end? nothing much
Diablo-D3: all I did was dance to nefario's tune while he fucked my shareholders
boonies4u: what were you doing that took 40+ hours a week?
Diablo-D3: boonies4u: you do know what DMC was doing, right?
Diablo-D3: a green energy powered data center focusing on high density computing.
Diablo-D3: mining was just a small part of it.
boonies4u: as in, if cooling fails, your computers will overheat quickly?
boonies4u: I only really paid attention to the turds
boonies4u: if you weren't selling turds, you probably weren't on my radar
boonies4u: or didn't have the volume to attract me
Diablo-D3: boonies4u: cooling fails? heh, not with redundant cooling
Diablo-D3: Im talking about shit mounted in racks.
Diablo-D3: or rather, 25-30kw of shit mounted in racks, per rack.
boonies4u: so what did the shares represent? % ownership?
Diablo-D3: doesnt matter, x% of zero is still zero.
boonies4u: i'm confused, do you have any assets?
Diablo-D3: for the short term, I was reinvesting it into other companies
boonies4u: ____Atlas_____: why did you link a 1x1 gif?
Diablo-D3: ____Atlas_____: that isnt the image you thought it was
Diablo-D3: boonies4u: a million dollar project does not get done overnight.
Diablo-D3: Im not sure why people think it does.
boonies4u: i was oh lawding at your reinvesting
Diablo-D3: yup, and thanks to nefario's bullshit, a large part of that money was burned
Diablo-D3: and then thanks to MORE of nefario's bullshit, it all burned
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10000 @ 0.0003711 = 3.711 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25460 @ 0.00037111 = 9.4485 BTC [+]
boonies4u: I can understand why you are apathetic
boonies4u: I bet your shareholders love it *rolls eyes*
Diablo-D3: well, they'll have to fight nefario, not me
Diablo-D3: Ive fought enough for the community, its time for them to return the favor
boonies4u: who i probably butting heads with Theymos
boonies4u: I'd bet Theymos is the voice of reason
noagendamarket: even if we removed nefario as ceo it wouldnt have mattered
Diablo-D3: at one point I was saying Im glad I sold all of my goat holding
noagendamarket: its more likely to be about the pirate stuff than anything
noagendamarket: if glbse had ID requirements inn the first place most likely the pirate stuff wouldnt have gotten so nuts
boonies4u: anyone willing to lend me the difference between my 99 btc and the total cost of two BFL FPGA singles?
boonies4u: you mean the FPGA's that currently exist are a scam?
gribble: *BANG* Hey, who put a blank in here?!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BVPS] 400 @ 0.0035 = 1.4 BTC [+]
boonies4u: mircea_popescu: trying to get assbot to do ;;roulette?
gribble: Error: "fire" is not a valid command.
gribble: Error: "shoot" is not a valid command.
gribble: *BANG* Hey, who put a blank in here?!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23628 @ 0.00037366 = 8.8288 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53300 @ 0.00037067 = 19.7567 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51500 @ 0.0003706 = 19.0859 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47700 @ 0.00037005 = 17.6514 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7700 @ 0.00037 = 2.849 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3583 @ 0.00036906 = 1.3223 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42256 @ 0.00036883 = 15.5853 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 250 @ 0.00036878 = 0.0922 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57496 @ 0.00036869 = 21.1982 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11784 @ 0.00036756 = 4.3313 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13900 @ 0.00036731 = 5.1056 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31900 @ 0.00036651 = 11.6917 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42700 @ 0.00036611 = 15.6329 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58959 @ 0.00036537 = 21.5418 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62800 @ 0.00036149 = 22.7016 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2500 @ 0.000351 = 0.8775 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 153359 @ 0.00035 = 53.6757 BTC [-]
grubles: someones taking a dump on mpoe
cryptorific: ____Atlas_____: a large increase in hashing capacity
cryptorific: the difficulty adjustments weren't enough to compensate for the large and irregular hash power increase as far as i can see
gribble: Error: 'Kumala' is not a valid integer.
gribble: Error: For identification purposes, you must be identified via GPG to use the rating system.
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user Kumala has been recorded.
____Atlas_____: So we may end up seeing all the BTC generated earlier than 2030?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BVPS] 480 @ 0.0035 = 1.68 BTC [+]
____Atlas_____: Soon we will have more currencies than the old American confederacy
grubles: mircea_popescu, because i believe in buttcoins
grubles: that is the age old question
grubles: have you ever squeezed your buttcheeks so hard you cracked your lower back?
grubles: fiber has nothing to do with it
grubles: sitting on my ass has everything to do with it
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1day: 0.00035 / 0.0003698 / 0.00037575 (2318319 shares, 857.32 BTC), 30day: 0.00034 / 0.00038476 / 0.00042 (65387672 shares, 25,158.64 BTC)
grubles: noagendamarket, wtt 10 tp for 20 btc?
grubles: as many as you want holmes
grubles: i have a direct connect to a supplier in columbia
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25032 @ 0.00030391 = 7.6075 BTC [-]
noagendamarket: I wonder if you had lsd on toliet paper if you wiped your butt you would get high lol
cryptorific: noagendamarket: you'd have to rub it hard but yea, the skin is pretty thin there and could easily transfer
cryptorific: i knew some hippie ass chicks that would stick weaker acid tabs in their vaginas to help absorb more
grubles: cryptorific, that makes more sense than getting high off of wiping your ass
grubles: but i can definitely bet one would get high off of wiping their ass with blotter paper
boonies4u: I have come up with 4 options moving forward when it comes to the loan I received.
boonies4u: while, i created this for my lenders, if anyone has anything to say regarding them, it would be appreciated
knotwork: do bonds also require issuer to know current owners? or is that what makes bearer bonds different, not knowing who has them?
mircea_popescu: if anyone has a reddit account be so kind to point out to them that i don't, and so won't answer there, but they can feel free to make the comments on the article
knotwork: each asset is unique yes, change even a bit, or a character of whitespace, and the hash changes thus the ID of the asset the contract is about changes
knotwork: so any change to contract results in a brand new distinct different asset
femtotube: Chaang-Noi: that markm's OT is not decentralised. It's even worst that centralized. If server, where sec. was issued disappears, security is gone too
thestringpuller_: I was more asking, say I have 1000 shares of Asset A, would each one of those 1000 shares be unique, to keep them from being duplicated?
Bugpowder: You might be better served by posting in the law subreddit
Bugpowder: where a bunch of actual lawyers or at least law students hang out
knotwork: deeds are each-unique but not yet implemented
mircea_popescu: Bugpowder i ain't posting it tho, cause i have no acct.
knotwork: Audit system is not yet implemented so my server does not spam all receipts out to public published form
knotwork: so yes if my server vanishes issuers will not know what ownership changes happened since their last snapshot
knotwork: femtotube, do you mean how hard is spamming all receipts out to public media/channel?
knotwork: the hard part will be making sure only persons intended to be able to can actually decrypt specific receitps they should be able to see
knotwork: might be easier actually to record emails for issuers and spam issuer's email with all receipts about their asset
knotwork: but that would require "Knowing Your Issuers"
knotwork: I actually hoped it might be possible to only know a very few customers, those being the few to whom any actual withdraws from the vault go, everyone else being their customers and dealing with them to buy tokens or cash out tokens
knotwork: like how egold and liberty reserve and possibly even pecunix do it, third parties to handle all cashing in and out
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14267 @ 0.00025477 = 3.6348 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14633 @ 0.00025477 = 3.728 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26800 @ 0.00025844 = 6.9262 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36000 @ 0.00026409 = 9.5072 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65400 @ 0.00027946 = 18.2767 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5778 @ 0.00031314 = 1.8093 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4618 @ 0.00032044 = 1.4798 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 382 @ 0.00035 = 0.1337 BTC [+]
Bugpowder: been buying that shit up all morning
Bugpowder: 10MM should probably be a nice supporting bid size
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3550000 @ 0.000315 = 1118.25 BTC [-]
gribble: Best bid: 11.94501, Best ask: 11.95, Bid-ask spread: 0.00499, Last trade: 11.94501, 24 hour volume: 61886, 24 hour low: 11.702, 24 hour high: 12.78
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24200 @ 0.0003422 = 8.2812 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67300 @ 0.00034111 = 22.9567 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42700 @ 0.00033888 = 14.4702 BTC [-]
smickles: "weekend dip" + diff increase + glbse incidnent = lower exchange rate, it seems
smickles: and mircea_popescu wrote an article
DeaDTerra: Yea, I have followed the price ^^ to me it seems like a chance to get some cheap bitcoins :P
DeaDTerra: No more news on the whole GLBSE stuff?
DeaDTerra: and I thought you were ignoring me ^^
DeaDTerra: What do you mean by GLBSE BTC btw?
mircea_popescu: btc owned in cash by glbse customers on glbse website.
DeaDTerra: Yea that has to be higher then 1-2k
DeaDTerra: I personally have 500+ BTC on there
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18013 @ 0.00033888 = 6.1042 BTC [-]
gribble: Best bid: 11.90004, Best ask: 11.9699, Bid-ask spread: 0.06986, Last trade: 11.90004, 24 hour volume: 62374, 24 hour low: 11.702, 24 hour high: 12.78
assbot: !ticker <ticker> (desc: returns current MPEX ticker values)
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1day: 0.00025015 / 0.00031653 / 0.00037575 (6558468 shares, 2,076.01 BTC), 30day: 0.00025015 / 0.00037846 / 0.00042 (70093609 shares, 26,528.18 BTC)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35600 @ 0.00033179 = 11.8117 BTC [-]
gribble: Best bid: 11.93, Best ask: 11.97, Bid-ask spread: 0.04000, Last trade: 11.97, 24 hour volume: 62240, 24 hour low: 11.702, 24 hour high: 12.75999
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20557 @ 0.00033618 = 6.9109 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13843 @ 0.0003389 = 4.6914 BTC [+]
pigeons: i've known him since before there was a bitcoin
boonies4u-Andro: :Company Prospectus The Rock Mining Industries Total outstanding Shares 400000 100% Bitcoin Production The First Company traded in Bitcoin only!:
pigeons: yes before it was traded in lindens as all their other stuff, then it moved to bitcoins after linden temp closed their account because someone used stolen lindens to buy bitcoins from them on their exchange
smickles: !!!, woah what? theymos said, "4-5. The database backups can be decrypted by me, justmoon, Gavin, Sirius, and Satoshi. The encrypted backups are distributed among many people." Satoshi!?
pigeons: yeah that's the bitcointalk forum db
pigeons: really? laugh at someone because they have temp low volume resulting in a big spread? like your exchange is better?
smickles: I honestly thought glbse had the sense to have an accountant
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3600 @ 0.00033346 = 1.2005 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5600 @ 0.00033179 = 1.858 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4774191 @ 0.000315 = 1503.8702 BTC [-]
boonies4u-Andro: though, i'm not seeing any description as to what these bonds represent XD
boonies4u-Andro: my guess is that they all represent some function of the "The Rock Trading Company"
smickles: <@assbot> [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4774191 @ 0.000315 = 1503.8702 BTC [-] 0_o
pigeons: well if you email them they will keep you up to date on the mining equipment and give you whatever info you ask
mircea_popescu: boonies4u-Andro assets-otc thing looks like a retarded mpex to me.
pigeons: there is a site you can see the management of the gpus and fpgas and what pools they are at and temps and hashes, but hehehe yes down atm
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1363237 @ 0.000315 = 429.4197 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1day: 0.00025015 / 0.00031575 / 0.00037575 (12741096 shares, 4,023.10 BTC), 30day: 0.00025015 / 0.0003733 / 0.00042 (76270870 shares, 28,472.03 BTC)
boonies4u-Andro: I considered opening up a fund on GLBSE instead of getting a loan on btcjam
boonies4u-Andro: I always liked that in the back of my head, if something bad happens and they lose confidence in the fund, I could buy back bonds
FabianB: looks like someone needs a lot of money suddenly and sells a lot of MPOE
smickles: holy shit, the gov't representatives in romainia are elected by plurality, and they use a civil law based legal system?
pigeons: all other countries are run by little girls
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18300 @ 0.00032349 = 5.9199 BTC [+]
Chaang-Noi: i find it kinda odd coldhardmetal left #glbse but is in the other #bitcoin chans...
smickles: Chaang-Noi: i dunno, but it seems like a good time to leave the parting message idid
smickles: do i fail at operating a /part command?
Chaang-Noi: so are you going to give your AML docs to Nefario ?
Chaang-Noi: * smickles (~smickles@mostofmany.com) has left #GLBSE ("see you later shitlords")
smickles: Chaang-Noi: is it going to be docs like that?
Chaang-Noi: i wonder how many BTC and assets nefario will get to claim due to people not handing over AML stuff, or him just saying its not good enough...
Chaang-Noi: its his "get out of jail free card if people are using glbse to support terrorist and money laundering"
Chaang-Noi: thats not a direct quote but something like that
smickles: Chaang-Noi: we'll see. i suppose i'm waiting to be contacted directly, or see something on glbse proper
smickles: and in my case, he has a pic of my passport
boonies4u-Andro: well, my guess is that asset holders won't honor bonds Nefario holds
Chaang-Noi: asset holders wont know who holds what
smickles: well, if i get a list of shareholders and associated amounts for s2cm and mpoe.etf, then i'll honor them
smickles: also, fiduciary responcibility would require me to verify the lists somehow
smickles: Would the data being signed by that keyid be sufficient verrification?
pigeons: probably as good as you can reasonably hope for in this situation
boonies4u-Andro: regarding what goat was saying, I don't think issuers should let Nefario get any unclaimed bonds
boonies4u-Andro: unless Nefario is only going to be submitting addresses tied to number of bonds held
boonies4u-Andro: then it might be difficult to determine who he is among the shareholders
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71300 @ 0.00032346 = 23.0627 BTC [-]
Chaang-Noi: aml all stockholders and just assume none are a proxy for nefario?
boonies4u-Andro: well, I suppose having multiple proxy accounts to fool issuers would work
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8100 @ 0.00032114 = 2.6012 BTC [-]
femtotube: is that really true that there was so SEC etc agents poking at nefario? It was all just bullshit and excuse
Chaang-Noi: he is now scared he was breaking the law...
Chaang-Noi: and wants to protect him self as far as i can gather...
Chaang-Noi: incase the sec or what not comes in...
Chaang-Noi: would be best if nefario said something
Chaang-Noi: if the sec came down on him, no way would they let him still operate
pigeons: don't know if the sec contacted nefario, but the people who talked to the sec say the sec specifically was asking about glbse, "how you got your glbse account" and ppt funds on glbse
pigeons: for example danieldaniel (i know)
Chaang-Noi: i have pretty solid info on that, but that was a while ago and he kept operating
Chaang-Noi: he then saw a lawyer and saw the light i guess...
femtotube: pigeons: all they had to do was read the forum or use the Make a account. How stupid are the agents? LOL
pigeons: femtotube: i agree. but also i wonder if they were curious how the alleged "victims" got involved
boonies4u-Andro: pigeons: the sec contacting nefario, while proving that they are sec
pigeons: boonies4u-Andro: the sec proved to me they were the sec
pigeons: fuck, you really don't believe the sec sent otc members an email saying there is a private investigation into bitcoin securities, and that most of us didn't research to a comfortable degree wether or not it was legit?
boonies4u-Andro: I doubt the sec, or anyone claiming to be the sec sent you, nefario, or goat emails
pigeons: we called them, using the phone number on the particular investigators name on the website gave the reference nu,ber on the email and asked if they sent it
pigeons: are you saiying that me and practically all the people i trust here are lying? or at which point in this step did they fools us? cause i'll give you another way it was verified at that point
femtotube: I guess nefario was just bullshitting everyone in London
boonies4u-Andro: so the emails contained the information necessary to confirm that they sent you the email(s)
boonies4u-Andro: so the emails contained the information necessary to confirm that they sent you the email(s)?
pigeons: one sec i'll show it to you
pigeons: look that guy up with google, call his office, ask if he sent the email about NY-8834 and what it's about
pigeons: I guess I had to literally beg you to believe that Yes The SEC is Interested IN GLBSE.
rg: california girls we're undeniable
rg: fine fresh fierce we got it on lock
rg: sun kissed skin so hot
rg: we'll met your popsicle
rg: sure doesnt feel like a win
rg: so much drama on the forum still
rg: about me saying 'glbse has backups'
rg: guruvan is now claiming that that's releasing customer info
rg: smickles breaths oxygen and needs food to live.
rg: ^--- releasing customer info!
boonies4u-Andro: pigeons: i knew they were interested, I just didn't expect them to knock before coming in
rg: this all started with pirate
rg: without pirate the SEC still wouldnt know what bitcoin is
pigeons: it did kinda start with pirate
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65700 @ 0.000315 = 20.6955 BTC [-]
rg: i guess the funniest part about all this
rg: is it proves mircea correct
rg: with his glbse hate-paper
femtotube: this SEC bull shit is starting to sound more stupid by the minute.
pigeons: Evolvex works for the SEC and wants one link to visit
pigeons: Did theymos send the coins nefario claims to be waiting on?
boonies4u-Andro: "Matthewh3 - "All users coins on the GLBSE is safe and untouched. Nafario wants to return them as soon as possible as they are a legal liability to him. He also said he will soon have a way for asset issuers to pay dividends but not trade shares. ""
boonies4u-Andro: sounds like those who don't want trouble can't sell their shares if they wanted to
pigeons: i worry from matthewh3's report that nefario may feel he needs those coins to pay a lawyer for survival may thus feel justified if he "can't" return them.
pigeons: But to be less shitty to nefario, I beleived what theymos reported word for word, and either theymos did stretch that, or nefario is lying
pigeons: anyway, the sooner coins are returned and accounts codes given out, the better.
boonies4u-Andro: true, but there will always be some people who won't submit documents
matthewh3: Nafario hasn't paid a penny in legal fees and no Theymos has not sent any coins. The only way everyone won't get there coins is if Theymos doesn't return them. That's all I'm saying from now on and probably shouldn't have even said that :/
pigeons: yeah, well everything should be returned without submitting any documents other than the acocunt information nefario already has
boonies4u-Andro: Matthewh3 - "I think he will need full legal ID to pay back coins and shares. Otherwise he risks being charged with possible money laundering and/or funding terrorism. Tho he won't disclose that information unless requested by the government/police."
boonies4u-Andro: the question is what will happen to shares and coins that aren't claimed?
boonies4u-Andro: I think they should go back to the issuer if that is the case
pigeons: they go to the issuer anyway
matthewh3: I'm not Nefario's PR and probably shouldn't have spoke about our private conversation.
pigeons: i know you're not matthewh3, and thanks for letting us know, i understand what you're saying
pigeons: if you are shutting down, you get out as fast as you can, let everyone have their stuff back. if you require new id to give back someone's stuff, you either are going to give that info to somebody, or you think you may need to bargain giving that info to somebody in the future
pigeons: you wouldn't want to take everyone's info to add to the shit you're in otherwise
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 800 @ 0.00031544 = 0.2524 BTC [+]
pigeons: if he doesn't end up asking for id then i was too critical of nefario
boonies4u-Andro: if he doesn't end up asking for id, GLBSE is going to be dead
rg: i dont think nefario will go to jail
rg: they told him to stop-- he did
rg: now if glbse.bit or glbse.onion showed up
rg: theyd probably go after him again
gribble: nefario was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 week, 5 days, 23 hours, 21 minutes, and 13 seconds ago: <nefario> Those assets are not listed or traded anymore
rdponticelli: ;;echo nefario was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 50 years, 1 week, 5 days, 23 hours, 21 minutes, and 13 seconds ago: <nefario> Those assets are not listed or traded anymore
gribble: nefario was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 50 years, 1 week, 5 days, 23 hours, 21 minutes, and 13 seconds ago: <nefario> Those assets are not listed or traded anymore
dub: 05-10-12-17:17--- NO_OOh1 [~james@92.40.254.189.threembb.co.uk] has joined #bitcoin-assets
matthewh3: I think if a I2p exchange popped up and used hybrid wallets like blockchain.info then users wouldn't have to worry about the OP's running off with all the coins. If an I2p exchange popped like the GLBSE, Cryptostocks or LTC-Global how could users trust them. I know The Silk Road as been operational for a while but it could just disappear anytime?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15900 @ 0.00031508 = 5.0098 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62453 @ 0.000315 = 19.6727 BTC [-]
boonies4u-Andro: but "killed buffer" sounds like some kind of server message
dub: brilliant move, say nothing to anyone except an illiterate 9 year old
boonies4u: I just realized I was using the wrong name
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C150T] 9 @ 0.08179875 = 0.7362 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35808 @ 0.000315 = 11.2795 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28200 @ 0.00031333 = 8.8359 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1day: 0.0032 / 0.00327011 / 0.00339995 (454373 shares, 1,485.85 BTC), 30day: 0.0032 / 0.00333843 / 0.0034 (1700331 shares, 5,676.45 BTC)