assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46300 @ 0.00046648 = 21.598 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34100 @ 0.00046701 = 15.925 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BVPS] 3000 @ 0.0032491 = 9.7473 BTC [-]
smickles: mircea_popescu: you should sign and encrypt the db with the exchange key. that way, should it become necessary for the public to decrypt it, you wouldn't need to release your personal key
mircea_popescu: i'm not releasing my key either way, why'd i release it ?
smickles: idunno, i have some half-baked reason forming which invoves some situation where you are abducted or something
mircea_popescu: suppose for a moment there's an uberconspiracy of like, the reptillians
mircea_popescu: who covertly follow all my communications, know of all my back-ups and one day suddenly strike!
mircea_popescu: the advantage of this scheme is that backups can now be obtained from both known *and unknown* sources
mircea_popescu: making the entire thing much more resilient to attacks.
smickles: Oh, i feel like i completly understand the backup aspect of it
smickles: i was trying to think of a situation where you are inaccessable some how, and you have the exchange key released to the public so that people can get at the data
mircea_popescu: think about it, the exchange key is released to decrypt db
mircea_popescu: a week later there's fifty billion fake stats floating around
smickles: what would the use of a stat be if the exchange were down tho?
smickles: hey, i said the idea was half-baked :P
mircea_popescu: anyway, the system is pretty well designed for expansion. in the future i might generate a special key just for db signing, and put it somewhere safe
BTC-Mining: well... public key... private key... how about other backup keys where the private key is never disclosed and the public key to decrypt the database is only disclosed in case you disappear?
BTC-Mining: And sign the public key for the database with the exchange's key. That way people know if they decrypt it with that public database key, it was a statement encrypted with the official backup private key.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2400 @ 0.00046648 = 1.1196 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7022 @ 0.00046621 = 3.2737 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2078 @ 0.00046583 = 0.968 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: idea was guy encrypts a "would you marry me" with his public key
mircea_popescu: he figures by the time she breaks it he'll know for sure.
BTC-Mining: But what's the issue with encrypting with your private key with a public key for decrypting the data?
BTC-Mining: But the idea is to be able to release confidential data. And only if you disappear, an automated process triggers because a time limit is not reset and it releases the public key for decrypting the database.
BTC-Mining: yeah, I mean, just for covering the case of all people with access to MPEx suddenly being incapacitated to keep-through with the business, data could still be released.
mircea_popescu: still, you know, a raw db dump isn't the right way to do this.
mircea_popescu: it'd have to be released as a per-issuer section, encrypted with the issuer's public key.
smickles: did i kick a hornet's nest or somehting?
mircea_popescu: just, the natural inclination of people is to think in terms of, this db dump is for if i die. not what it is for. it's for if govt confiscates interwebs.
mircea_popescu: BTC-Mining nothing's the problem wit hthat, but it's not part of the db dump line :)
BTC-Mining: A special database, with it's own key pair. You make it available for download, encrypted with the database private key. The public key for it is released after 6 months without resetting the counter on it. Signed with the exchange's key so we know any data decryptable with that public key is from the official source.
smickles: it's not about you being dead, it's about you being abducted by the reptillians
BTC-Mining: The decrypted data containing a per issuer data with further encryption with their public key.
BTC-Mining: So only issuer has access to data for each holder.
mircea_popescu: and you depend on the entire system surviving by itself for six months
mircea_popescu: honestly, i think if nefario came out right now and said he's releasing issuer data in april
BTC-Mining: Well for many, it would actually still be useful...
BTC-Mining: As long as issuers keep the accounting and putting the BTC aside for when that data is released.
BTC-Mining: Honestly, I don't expect anything that extreme, mircea.
BTC-Mining: Just stating it would be possible to make a database public and official without the need to release a private key to forge different sets of data.
mircea_popescu: but in the extreme case the db needs to be distributed what i envisage is a text flatfile containing each issuer's holders encrypted with his public key, the whole thing signed and dumped on like, piratebay
BTC-Mining: Would probably be simplier and better.
mircea_popescu: alongside a final dump of everyone's stats, encrupted with their public key
BTC-Mining: But that flatfile needs to be encrypted with the exchange's key first of course.
mircea_popescu: actually this is delineated in the faq since the days when people were asking mpex (but not glbse) what is the plan for the case which befel glbse but not mpex.
BTC-Mining: hmm... how do we know the flatfile is official then?
BTC-Mining: Either way the source can be verified.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5022 @ 0.00046583 = 2.3394 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6437 @ 0.00046446 = 2.9897 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9382 @ 0.00046419 = 4.355 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31166 @ 0.00046249 = 14.414 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16154 @ 0.00046249 = 7.4711 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: what the hell is with people painting their walls orange ?
mircea_popescu: and i do not mean some pale yellow or w/e, i mean orange, like the fruit.
smickles: well, it seems one reason may be to annoy you
smickles: is it a darker sort of orange, or bright glowing orange?
smickles: like 70s era or gay pride parade?
mircea_popescu: it's a bright glowing orange that makes food look unhealthy and women's complexion totally alien
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 10.40000, Best ask: 10.44857, Bid-ask spread: 0.04857, Last trade: 10.40000, 24 hour volume: 43262.33694086, 24 hour low: 10.12999, 24 hour high: 10.83883, 24 hour vwap: 10.45494
mircea_popescu: lol so for 3 months now we've been giggling between 10 and 14
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41623 @ 0.00046298 = 19.2706 BTC [+]
smickles: ;;calc -1 * [bc,24hprc] + 10 + .2867
smickles: ;;calc -1 * [bc,24hprc] + 10 + .1367
smickles: ;;calc -1 * [bc,24hprc] + 10 + .4367
smickles: ;;calc -1 * [bc,24hprc] + 10 -.235
gribble: Error: Something in there wasn't a valid number.
smickles: ;;calc -1 * [bc,24hprc] + 10 - .235
smickles: ;;calc [bc,24hprc] - 10 - .2876
smickles: i'm trying to work out that arb b/t mpex and icbit
smickles: you know anything about call put parity?
smickles: the futures on icbit deliver at 10 at the end of december, so at some point in time, there should be an arb op
smickles: oh, well, middle of december, but still
smickles: ;;calc [ticker --bid] - 10 - .2876
smickles: oh, i know what i'm fucking up
smickles: ;;calc [ticker --bid] - 10 / [ticker --bid] - .2876
smickles: ;;calc [ticker --bid] - 10 - .2876 * [ticker --bid]
smickles: ;;calc ([ticker --bid] - 10 - .2876 * [ticker --bid]) / [ticker --bid]
smickles: ;;calc ([ticker --bid] - 10 - .2876 * [ticker --bid]) / [ticker --bid] * -1
smickles: ;;calc ([ticker --bid] - 10 + .1549 * [ticker --bid]) / [ticker --bid] * -1
smickles: ;;calc ([ticker --bid] - 10 + .1549 * [ticker --bid]) / [ticker --bid]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23268 @ 0.00046139 = 10.7356 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 300 @ 0.00046047 = 0.1381 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1869 @ 0.00046008 = 0.8599 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11063 @ 0.00045993 = 5.0882 BTC [-]
smickles: mircea_popescu: come play monopoly with me and bitfoo for btc
smickles: ;;calc ([ticker --bid] - 10 + .1549 * [ticker --bid])
bitfoo: that's a lot of calculations :o
smickles: i should stop spamming, i gueess
bitfoo: work it out and then we can all arb ;)
smickles: that last one proves that it's there, if you know what you're looking at
bitfoo: it's too late in the day for me to even try and figure that out
smickles: ;;calc .2762 * [ticker --bid] - .2417 * [ticker --bid]
smickles: short stradle at 100N, buy icbit futures up to 10.35
bitfoo: icbit depth looks pretty thin
smickles: i've done it already on accident
smickles: bitfoo: part of that is the fact that only the nearest 5 orders are shown (either side of center)
bitfoo: yeah, I was trying to figure out how to see more than that
bitfoo: not possible I assume?
smickles: i should find confidence in my math, then i would arb that op so hard
smickles: mircea_popescu: i identified the arb op
smickles: short stradle at 100N, and buy the futures up to 10.35ish
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13537 @ 0.00045993 = 6.2261 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7600 @ 0.00045989 = 3.4952 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13005 @ 0.00045918 = 5.9716 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11033 @ 0.00045901 = 5.0643 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: part of that is the fact that only the nearest 5 orders are shown << who comes up wit this sort of shit ?
Chaaang-Noi: well im sure you know why 3.14 was not sued
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C100N] 10 @ 0.27614221 = 2.7614 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P100N] 9 @ 0.24169245 = 2.1752 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: see, that's faulty. "we should do X, but we can't practically do X so we are doing Y instead"
mircea_popescu: if it should be 3.14 then they either do 3.14 or not do it at all.
mircea_popescu: anyway this is all academic, iirc there wasn't much volume anyway, like 1-2 btc a week or something
mircea_popescu: or not wait, i think i was looking at some gold and oil futures
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P100N] 2 @ 0.24169245 = 0.4834 BTC [-]
smickles: hmm, high wire act, vs starwars reference
mircea_popescu: "For the last time, geeks should not open financial service businesses just because they can make the website and fire up some hardware"
smickles: so it's like tele-court, main page == judge judy?
smickles: i should've continued learning greek
smickles: i took 2 or three classes then stopped because it was a 7am class, and I had an hour bikeride to make it
mircea_popescu: go home tonight and say "honey, today we talk about χαρέμι"
smickles: "Prospero, the only British satellite to date launched on a British rocket, lifted off from Launch Area 5B..." <<this statement feels so full of lame
smickles: area 5b sounds like a shitty appartment with only one room
smickles: prospero is that fake enthusiam you get from an pessimeist
mircea_popescu: nothing could be lamer than romania's first and only satellite to date tho
smickles: and they've only done it once since 1971
smickles: lol, did they throw it by and and lose track of it (now thinking it was a successful mission)?
smickles: When the project began, the developers of this satellite were still in college.""
smickles: "As of 26 February 2012, it appears that the satellite has not settled into the orbit properly. Due to a malfunction to its stabilizing system, it is expected that the satellite will spin uncontrollably and eventually get lost in space. However, the coordinator of the project, Mugurel Bălan has stated that the situation is under control."
smickles: statement was made 13 days after launch
smickles: makes sense, they launched it, right?
mircea_popescu: shoulda hired the brits instead, 5b sounds more hygienic than guyana
smickles: lol, so in the same timeframe it took to develop this (and the rocket that sent it up), elon musk docked a ship with the ISS
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4300 @ 0.00046291 = 1.9905 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7577 @ 0.00046298 = 3.508 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 623 @ 0.00046335 = 0.2887 BTC [+]
smickles: but neither were the people wo developed the vega rocket
smickles: it's first launch sent up your satilite
smickles: oh wow, i'm going to make a solid rocket booster out of sucrose
smickles: what'd he get that status for?
mircea_popescu: girl dug up a conviction. there will be a post in a few.
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40977 @ 0.00046335 = 18.9867 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32100 @ 0.00046482 = 14.9207 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 668 @ 0.00046744 = 0.3122 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31906 @ 0.00046848 = 14.9473 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49000 @ 0.00047196 = 23.126 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37100 @ 0.00047202 = 17.5119 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24590 @ 0.00047259 = 11.621 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35500 @ 0.00047283 = 16.7855 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48159 @ 0.00047506 = 22.8784 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: The woman named “Democrat of The Year” this year by the Jefferson County Democratic Party has been convicted of felony theft by a Jefferson County jury for stealing from a developmentally disabled 71-year-old woman.
rg: the fact that its from a retard makes it SO much worse
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11200 @ 0.00046213 = 5.1759 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13700 @ 0.00045901 = 6.2884 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 370 @ 0.003375 = 1.2488 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 630 @ 0.00339944 = 2.1416 BTC [+]
Chaaang-Noi: yeah he should not ahve mailed them or sold them on ebay
Chaaang-Noi: that warning should have made him know better
Chaaang-Noi: why would he be selling that stuff on ebay
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30665 @ 0.00045934 = 14.0857 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30073 @ 0.00046327 = 13.9319 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15800 @ 0.0004624 = 7.3059 BTC [-]
Anduck: wat happened to BFL.FAIL and BFL.SUCC and DMC?
Diablo-D3: what happened to ALL THE FUCKING ASSETS ON GLBSE
Anduck: what are you going to do about it?
Anduck: will you just clap ur hands and say hah ahh hahah free mony no need pay cuz nefario'ddd
Chaaang-Noi: its not the asset issuers responcability to deal with the broker, its the people who used the brokers servces to deal with it
Anduck: i had like 1 btc in there...
Chaaang-Noi: well i dont know what everyone will do, but asset issuers dont ahve an good options
Anduck: if he knows who had what asset and how much
Chaaang-Noi: he cant ever "know" he can only trust nefario
Anduck: that's same even if GLBSE was up
Chaaang-Noi: if he trust nefario it opens himself up to others claiming they had it
Chaaang-Noi: diable only needs to pay glbse.. glbse then needs to pay out the money
Chaaang-Noi: and now he and all the other glbsers can get their asses sued
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9100 @ 0.00045978 = 4.184 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22798 @ 0.00045934 = 10.472 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: so what's the word, any asics delivered last week ? what was the hash jump we saw ?
EskimoBob: if I understand it correctly, PPT operators can actually get off that boat by paying the investors back the coin
mircea_popescu: EskimoBob in most cases having repaid everyone with a claim shields you from responsibility
mircea_popescu: in all cases it cuts the eventual punishment significantly.
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6300 @ 0.00045901 = 2.8918 BTC [-]
EskimoBob: was bitcoinmax.com guy ever doxed?
Diablo-D3: Anduck: what Chaaang-Noi said, basically
Diablo-D3: until nefario releases the data, I cant do shit
Diablo-D3: Anduck: plus, I bought back half the DMC shares before GLBSE collapsed, and the DI.BFLSC stuff isnt due until after the 31st
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18400 @ 0.00045901 = 8.4458 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11659 @ 0.0004583 = 5.3433 BTC [-]
OneMiner: Who's Mr. Ver? 10 months in prison sounds about right to me. One of the links talks about him storing the explosives in a residential apartment building and mailing them via US mail. Assuming the products were going all over the country they could have ended up on a plane. At the very minimum he put hundreds of people in mortal or near mortal danger.
OneMiner: You can only imagine how many were in his apartment. If there was a fire he'd be lucky to not end up with manslaughter charges at the least.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2141 @ 0.0004583 = 0.9812 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13600 @ 0.00045777 = 6.2257 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5100 @ 0.00045721 = 2.3318 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18662 @ 0.00045661 = 8.5213 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: OneMiner he's a bitcoin enthusiast, been doing things like taking outdoor panels to advertise his acceptance of bitcoin
mircea_popescu: runs a computer parts shop in california, financed bitpay to some degree, lost a lot of money in bitcoinica etc
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34738 @ 0.00045661 = 15.8617 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19462 @ 0.00045634 = 8.8813 BTC [-]
Chaaang-Noi: EskimoBob i dont know who the investors are.. the only one i deal with is nefaro/glbse
Chaaang-Noi: no one has a claim vs me... they have claim vs glbse
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6300 @ 0.00045634 = 2.8749 BTC [-]
Chaaang-Noi: this is why nefario had to shut down glbse
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14600 @ 0.00045819 = 6.6896 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5838 @ 0.00045634 = 2.6641 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30262 @ 0.00045482 = 13.7638 BTC [-]
knotwork: Oh gosh I'm shocked, anarchists don't just *read* the anarchists cookbook some of them actually *cook*?!??! But to then capitalistically *sell* their cooking gasp that is *too* much!
knotwork: I suppose now when all the [...fellows..] hear that I did time for *growing and selling plants* they'lll all move over on the bench to distance themselves from me...
knotwork: Chap did time! Selling fireworks by mail. Me all I did was grow plants
knotwork: oh and sell them. growing is only up to 7 years, selling is up to life
knotwork: (Bench part is an Alicie's Restaurant reference)
knotwork: yeah 30 days served on weekends in the trailer outside the actua prison, with time off for good behavior.
knotwork: come in fiday night leave monday morning counts as four days
knotwork: smells nicer than the state's evil weed and causes less cancer, plus might not pay tax! Eeeeeevil!
knotwork: not an approved means of weaning oneself off their evil weed :)
knotwork: hmm maybe weekend countes as 3 days. it counted for more than it really was for sure
knotwork: spent the last weekend at home in house arrest, their was too much weed in the prison so they let folk go home
knotwork: I wasn't even actually proven to sell them, its assumed anyone with two cartons of smokes must be a dealer, no proof needed
OneMiner: The one law has nothing to do with the other. Fireworks are explosives and can set fires easily. Guy got 10 months for it. Sounds kosher to me.
knotwork: I was willing to go to supreme court on that as assuming guilt so the dropped the selling charges and gave me 30 days weekends for the cultivation
mircea_popescu: knotwork wait a second. are you talking tobacco or pot ?
knotwork: actually it wasnt even selling charge its worded as possession with intent to sell so is not only assuming guilt its assuming intent
knotwork: OneMiner haha for a moment I thought you mean Guy Ffawkes got ten months for it :)
knotwork: Remember Remember the Fifth of November? Does that rhyme now only refer to some 21st century movie?!?!?!
knotwork: Gunpowder, Treason, and Plot!??!
knotwork: He put fireworks under the Central Bank! (no, wait, just the houses of parliament, maybe not so bad?)
knotwork: yeah I was prety sure he didn't just get 10 months :)
OneMiner: Ummm..... Don't know 'bout the 5th of Nov. Probably heard of it once.....
knotwork: some big nob was in the houses at the time else maybe it'd've been a misdeameanor or a service to the crown
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28200 @ 0.00045612 = 12.8626 BTC [+]
knotwork: Oneminer LMGTFY "Gunpowder plot"
knotwork: 5th november is almost a national holiday so as never to forget
OneMiner: People who choose to solve their problems with explosives are not welcome near me, but I'll take a look at that anyways. ;)
knotwork: maybe actually a national holiday. not sure. maybe just a folk holiday
knotwork: yay we nearly got free of crown and parliament!
knotwork: 4th july is the more modern one, yay we DID get free of crown and parliament. braggarts. :)
OneMiner: The fact that there's still a royal family offends me too.
knotwork: oh gosh I was joking! We burn Guy in effigy on Nov 5th! Sheesh!
knotwork: Suppose the Queen Mum had been in there!?!?! :)
OneMiner: They should do the right thing and become citizens like everybody else instead of what I like to call "super citizens" most equal of the equals, you dig?
OneMiner: If you have someone above then it's possible to have others below. It's an argument for slavery in reverse.
knotwork: Not so sure. Consider voters, bread, and circusses. Having someone trained to the task who can call for a vote of n o confidence seems it could have redeeming virtue
mircea_popescu: entire fucking point of life, society and inextricable part of human hapiness : soe being below.
OneMiner: So, slavery. It's the natural conclusion, don't you think?
knotwork: Bunch of Americans immigrates and votes in bunch of weirdo gunslinging bible belters I'll be praying yes please King William, call for a frakkin vote of no confidence pronto please its un-British!!!
OneMiner: Ha! wouldn't go well for you. You'd be defending and I'm a good shot. :P
OneMiner: Ether one, I could use a .22 and get it done as well.
knotwork: Burn OneMiner in effigy! Blow him up with good old Black Powder!
OneMiner: Well, I can tell you that if a person tries to put me in a class under them.... their time is limited at that point.
knotwork: Also aren't American Presidents more king in practice than, well, the Queen for example?
OneMiner: There's already a legal precident for that where I'm from.
mircea_popescu: haha no, but it's a simple test for class. there's three classes practically, the homeless, the employed, the idle.
knotwork: OneMiner you'd insult the fans by refusing a knighthood if you were Mick Jagger or Captain Picard?!?!
OneMiner: Though I'd love the idea of being a knight..... I may have to refuse.
OneMiner: mircea_popescu is the order right? Homeless on top?
knotwork: Hey wait, Captain Kirk didn't get one? Hmm? Wasnt he too a Shakespearan real stage actor once?
OneMiner: He was. Talks about how serious he took his roles.
OneMiner: Also what does being a knight have to do with fans? And why is pop culture grounds for kinghthood?
knotwork: Maybe his galactic skirt-chasing was unknighlt behavior
knotwork: Because its British! It doesn't have to make sense it just has to have a stiff upper lip! Sheesh!
OneMiner: mircea_popescu then the idle are on top? You've confused me with your list.
OneMiner: Anyways. If the queen is only good for ceremony and drawing in tourists... then let her do that. They can be as royal as they want, just don't use any public monies or lands. Let them follow the same rules as everybody else if these rules are so good. Full disclosure: I'm not a UK citizen.
knotwork: OneMiner re fans, maybe the economy is so bad that selling a few platinum albums or popular movies is all that holds up the entire exchequer
knotwork: or, comparing Kirk to Picard for example, its about proper British behavior. (Oops lets forget Sir Mick a moment there)
knotwork: abe its about mollifying the masses by pretending to respect some of their idols
knotwork: or hey, maybe actually respecting them even
knotwork: Disclaimer: I am a Brit, albeit permanant resident of Halifax NS Canada
knotwork: Maybe part of it is simply that it is personal. They have personal individual person to person responsibility to people
knotwork: it'd be an insult to ask a Brit to swear allegiance to the Queen, hance my not even considering becoming a Canadian citizen
knotwork: I'd have to swear allegiance to the Queen of Canada, which would be an insult to me as a subject of the Queen of Great Britain and Northern Ireland
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22300 @ 0.00045482 = 10.1425 BTC [-]
knotwork: it's be like implying I am not her loyal subject already!!! :)
thestrin1puller: but in all srsness i think i may fork over money for an mpex account
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knotwork: yeah I almost did my shameless self-promoting blurb there but figured here would be more apropos
knotwork: (See what I did there!!?! Its implied its me that worked in CIBC datacentre! <<<<======== !!!!
knotwork: ====>>> Back when we punched cards!!!! <<<======
knotwork: Did I mention the time I called my friends from number ten downing street's own switchboard and plugged them into what's on in London in six diffrent languages and the speaking clock?
knotwork: No I am taking over the world (as a loyal subject of King Linus, of course)
knotwork: I am running so far two Open Transactions servers, the only public OT servers so far set up
mircea_popescu: man... how often are you intoxicated while on irc ? honest %
knotwork: actually its been months since I so much as had a beer
knotwork: Starving datacentre-operator :)
knotwork: brewing attracted too many fruitflies landlord made me stop
knotwork: unfortunately I told judge I would not cultivate again :(
knotwork: well not while its still illegal anyway. if I'd gotten a permit before growing it would have been fine. if I'd had the money I maybe even could have bought a bale of legal weed to put on his bench to claim gee sorry I am late filing for a permit
knotwork: hmm or maybe permits werent actually available quite by the trial date they were in the works for sure
knotwork: I am a Brit, this is a commonwealth country I should not have to flee it!
knotwork: hmm actually maybe there is no commonwealth anymore? I recall in 70's there was talk of getting rid of it
knotwork: oh sure I didnt tell judge I would not smoke it! but weed is more or less as expensive an indulgence for a starving datacentre-operator as beer is
knotwork: hmm around here its tobacco that is free, grams of it lying around in public in ashtrays free for the taking
knotwork: Maybe once usage tokens are working in Open Transactions I'll sell some and buy a beer to celebrate
thestrin1puller: I knew a kid once who smoked with Snoop. Apparently snoop carries a qp with him at all times? Anyhow he rolled like 9 cigar style blunts.
knotwork: well now you also know a kid who once called his friends from number ten downing street switchboard too :)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5124 @ 0.00045646 = 2.3389 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34176 @ 0.00045675 = 15.6099 BTC [+]
knotwork: on reconnect if old connect is still present your client appends a number to distinguish new connect, evidently also making sure the number falls into the 9 character nick limit some IRC servers (used to?) enforce
thepulledstring: erry is nice and resets my password for me because I have short term memory problems
Azelphur: thepulledstring: I suggest using keepass like I do
sgornick: > This article is available for a fee.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2138 @ 0.00045482 = 0.9724 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17762 @ 0.00045462 = 8.075 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: "Bitcoin is fundamentally flawed because it is a deflationary system, period."
knotwork: Bankers ought to love bitcoin because being limited in supply it lets them control markets by with-holding medium of exchange as usual plus also possibly unlike gold it can be bubbled to any arbitrary value for use as "reserves" and might be cheaper to store too
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8100 @ 0.00045462 = 3.6824 BTC [-]
thepulledstring: "Overhormonal pubescent boys sometimes conjure this imaginary girl that has no family, no emotions, no expectations, needs no food or water, spends her entire day nude in a closet somewhere eagerly awaiting the amorous attentions of the young magician. The Bitcoin-killing quantum computer seems to share most of its traits with that magnificent dream of early teen years. Maybe it’s actually the same thing."
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12076 @ 0.00045675 = 5.5157 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38624 @ 0.00045749 = 17.6701 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26538 @ 0.00045462 = 12.0647 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20815 @ 0.00045458 = 9.4621 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4447 @ 0.00045391 = 2.0185 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37218 @ 0.00045391 = 16.8936 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15982 @ 0.00045372 = 7.2514 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19584 @ 0.0004545 = 8.9009 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2501 @ 0.00045373 = 1.1348 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13515 @ 0.00045372 = 6.132 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50000 @ 0.00045743 = 22.8715 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 308 @ 0.00045743 = 0.1409 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 704 @ 0.00045749 = 0.3221 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32259 @ 0.00045819 = 14.7808 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14302 @ 0.00045932 = 6.5692 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2298 @ 0.00045972 = 1.0564 BTC [+]
dub: I think its safe to say EskimoBob is well endowed
dub: he's always looking for something looser
dub: on the forum, he continually rants about stuff that is less tight that he is apparently comfortable with
jurov: haha yes, he similarly bitched about mpex backup
jurov: anyway, i guess biggest dick around is..er... has mircea
jurov: cause i'm working on processing STATJSON
jurov: and i wonder whether they actually tested parsing with misc clients or he just said "do it so"
dub: we could infer that EskimoBob find pirate too tight
dub: as he is interested in pursuing his, looser, brother
jurov: dates in nonstandard format, all numbers as "strings"... looks like MPExAgent will stay useful
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3729 @ 0.0004584 = 1.7094 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1075 @ 0.00045601 = 0.4902 BTC [-]
jurov: oh and "Header" : [{"key1":"value1"},{"key2":"value2"},..etc..] srsly?
jurov: that will be converted into "Header" : {"key1":"value1","key2":"value2"}
jurov: with #remove brain damage
jurov: so... i'll appreciate donations of jsonstat samples (can be redacted, i'm just interested in format of all the parts)
jurov: someone pls kick him, that was outrageous flamebait
jurov: my spine just shivered when trying to imagine what kind of xml would mircea come up with
jurov: already have jsonstat parser for your bots?
jurov: i doubt gson or anything will help you with above
mircea_popescu: jurov everything's strings, what dates you talkin about ?
thepulledstring: jurov: we can perform an experiment for the non standard dates
jurov: for example javascript Date('Sunday the 28th of October 2012 at 07:11:07 PM') actually does work ... except that it thinks it's local time
jurov: and "Header:" is valid, i don't take issue with that. just that you have to iterate over it to find date/time
jurov: yes, it's minor issue. but completely unnecessary one.
mircea_popescu: jurov : the header isn't really intended for your use tho
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25896 @ 0.0004559 = 11.806 BTC [-]
dub: according to this PM questions are best posed in bright green capitals with yellow fill
dub: I think answers might be in 1pt blue on purple (can you do flashing marquee in m$ office?)
jurov: i do use that date at least for unit testing
mircea_popescu: jurov : you're prolly better off using the time string
mod6: (13:12) < thepulledstring> XML ftw
mircea_popescu: jurov and iirc the idea was that "everything as string" is the best choice for universal compatibility
jurov: i'm okay with fractional numbers as strings, that may be necessary to preserve accuracy. but wrapping integers into strings is overkill.
mircea_popescu: think about the "larger integer than expected" case for instance.
mircea_popescu: (yes, i literally have nasa alumni on the team, they are ruining everyone's weekends with ideas such as "well what if this is used in outerspace")
jurov: at least these integers.. would save me(if not anyone else) some work
dub: thats whats up nigga
jurov: yo dawg i herd you wanna intagars...
dub: perils of four monitors
dub: im a one gf kinda guy these days
dub: though she has hinted at the possibility of shared vagoo
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12000 @ 0.00045794 = 5.4953 BTC [+]
dub: nein, sharing another
dub: well yes, I think I would enforce a single penis policy but I guess you never know
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8104 @ 0.00045794 = 3.7111 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11900 @ 0.00045555 = 5.421 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1 @ 0.00045552 BTC [-]
dub: so what was the deal with roger ver?
mircea_popescu: i used to shot fuckers in the head and bury them in concrete pillars when i was his age, never was as much as charged.
dub: hope the pillars aren't load bearing
jurov: lol...somebody should add that to those porn accusations on btctalk "beware, mpex is owned by assassin and pornstar"
jurov: she has her share, no?
smickles: mircea_popescu: heh, re rodger ver: i'm one of those peeps who defaults to thinking that his ex-con status was brought about by the gov't interferring with people's right to freely interract with one another
mircea_popescu: smickles i do agree criminal convictions for having sold firecrackers at the age of 20 are a shameful display of statal stupidity.
smickles: dub: I wan't to shouth that link from the rooftops
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25200 @ 0.00045953 = 11.5802 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2104 @ 0.00045972 = 0.9673 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5000 @ 0.00045994 = 2.2997 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3595 @ 0.00045998 = 1.6536 BTC [+]
jurov: when cracked does top 10 spectacular btctalk posts, it will be there
jurov: re:tracking - it surprised me a bit i got much more visitors from reddit than from btctalk.. looks like there's much bigger lurking to BS ratio
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