dakid: so the elephant in the room.... GLBSE.... if it is required to shut down by the FSA, what happens to the shares of legitimate mining coop's?
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 1500 @ 0.00039785 = 0.5968 BTC [+]
jurov: oh, one day away and all hell breaks loose...
dakid: copumpkin: accredited? I had a few shares spread around, nothing huge though
dakid: jurov: one day away from what?
jurov: from irc and btctalk
copumpkin: dakid: US issuers aren't supposed to be able to solicit investment from anyone but accredited investors, and accredited means you have a lot of money or make a lot of money :)
copumpkin: so a lot of what you thought were legit shares might not be, if they were issued by people in the US
copumpkin: and I think other countries have similar laws
copumpkin: it's the reason most people can't invest in a hedge fund
dakid: ah, actually i would probably qualify
dakid: after reading the qualifications
copumpkin: if they're making public offerings, they need to follow regulations, and if not, they need to be talking only to accredited investors
copumpkin: and I'm guessing that most bitcoiners don't qualify :)
dakid: i never thought glbse was a 100% legal, i just assumed it was in the grey area of the law or was based out of a place without such regulations
PeanutPower: when you invest neopoints on the neopets site do you need to be an accredited investor ?
GoonyGooGoo: Perhaps we need to lauch our BTC securities on neopets.com
dakid: GoonyGooGoo: hahaha, then they'll come after the evil bitcoiners for taking advantage of little kids
PeanutPower: i think most people don't consider btc a genuine currency if you read the popular press
dakid: i wonder if anyones tried twittering/calling the FSA and asking about GLBSE
PeanutPower: i bet they wouldn't recognise it as a real entity
rg: i would not recommend that
rg: that's like calling the cops and asking them if they know about a crack house
Doffx: He looks like the type of guy that would hang out with mircea_popescu
rg: what's that supposed to mean
rg: you are making fun of two of my friends
dakid: rg: the SEC/FSA already knows about that crack house
rg: dakid: can you do me a favor?
Doffx: I'm not sure where I said anything bad about them.
rg: WAKE ME UP, BEFORE YOU GO GO DONT LEAVE ME HANGIN ON LIKE A YO YO
rg: and take me dancin tonight
rg: i wanna hit that hiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiighh yea yea yea
rg: you put the boom boom into my brain
rg: and i bang bang bang do whatever the same
rg: jitterbug into my brain
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 500 @ 0.00039785 = 0.1989 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 2600 @ 0.00039785 = 1.0344 BTC [+]
Ignatius-otc: looks like all of you are screwed...but *I've* got claim codes
dakid: excuse me, i think some one sat on their drum machine :-P
Ignatius-otc: that track is win around the 2:00 mark "ladies and gentlemen its time for us to present to you something strong"
dub: PsychoticBoy: jesus man, that brings back some memories
rg: i am calling you from windows
dub: yeah that shit is OLD
Ignatius-otc: I have never gotten such a call...I will prepare a win virtual machine full of scat porn for the occasion
rg: if they worked on their script
rg: i bet they wouldve been way more successful
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RogueAI: no ops in #glbse, that's a bit ominous
RogueAI: even given the website text? usually there is at least one op idling in that channel (at least there used to be)
dub: nefario is busy being waterboarded, he'll get back to you shortly
dub: this is why glbse is down www.youtube.com/watch?v=qgmgsLe0xrM
jurov: Looks like it is necessary to assure everyone that the 30BTC fee for new MPEx accounts has no effect on coinbr users, current or future ones.
drekk: TIL: "cockjuggling thundercunts" -- i'll just leave this here
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 4100 @ 0.00039785 = 1.6312 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51400 @ 0.00036123 = 18.5672 BTC [-]
dentldir: ;;gpg everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:84819f22d43470d2f5dd03bd1b9fc0e8c6a30a89b4bdf1d8cca501f7
gribble: Error: In order to authenticate, you must be present in one of the following channels: #bitcoin-otc;#bitcoin-otc-foyer;#bitcoin-otc-ru;#bitcoin-otc-eu
drekk: did the closedown of glbse have any significant impact on mpex trading volume (yet)?
dub: [18:42] --- farts_to_much [~james@94.197.127.235.threembb.co.uk] has joined #bitcoin-assets
BTC-Mining: Not authed, not using nefario's registered nick
BTC-Mining: Just coming from the same ISP as Nefario
dub: yeah, im sure its a coincidence
drekk: Smoovious, last time i checked that was just one of many rumors being spread
RogueAI: you think if it was an update or move they could just say so
drekk: i replace "closedown" with "downtime" in my question
BTC-Mining: Not a coincidence. Just someone also in the UK trying to pass as nefario. Or he just forgot to obfuscate that before coming here to see how people were going.
RogueAI: Smoovius: "We are updating" "We are moving servers" How hard is that to type?
noagendamarket: the fact hes not in contact with the other major shareholders isnt good.
drekk: but it has implications. bitches love implications
dub: I assume he's in contact with some people
RogueAI: well it means they are almost braindead when it comes to writing temporary placeholder text
dub: -NickServ(NickServ@services.)- Last seen : Oct 04 15:19:01 2012 (7 hours, 31 minutes, 57 seconds ago)
RogueAI: which just doesn't match up with their ability to use a computer
BTC-Mining: As far as I know, nefario already has a place to live.
RogueAI: sure, but I don't think "they are massively incompetent" is much better reasoning than any other
dub: well we already know that
dub: just look at the website
drekk: Smoovious, well... so did you presenting the "moving servers" theory as a fact :P
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 2500 @ 0.00039785 = 0.9946 BTC [+]
drekk: then phrase it that way or add to the FUD
drekk: ok. not gonna argue over that
noagendamarket: I dont think nefario is dishonest in any way. Just poor decision making.
BTC-Mining: Like I told him once, I believe he is a great developer, but decision wise, he's not good at PR.
BTC-Mining: I say the same about Mircea or Diablo-D3.
drekk: seems to be the prob with most assets i've seen on the forum: lack of communication skills
BTC-Mining: In the meanwhile... let's wait for Saturday.
BTC-Mining: Lack of communication? I've seen tons of deposit takers dismissing legit questions as trolls and critics as trolls. Even completly valid points. If they were trolls, well they succeeded, you couldn't even counter-argue.
drekk: lack of communicatiom *skills*. quantity != quality
BTC-Mining: Answer everything until people can only come up with statements so crazy it would make them look bad to bring them forward. You'd often realize "trolls" were actually more the paranoid type than trolls and eventually are satisfied.
drekk: depends on your ressources. and quality of the trolls. if you find yourself answering questions all day instead of doing business, you've got a problem
BTC-Mining: Aye, but the thing is, those who took the time to make everything clear and answer everything promptly pretty much don't have those "trolls" in their threads, oddly.
drekk: might be, i don't think the amount of trolls in a thread is a good indicator, tho. especially with usagi it looks to me as if personal/emotional reason were involved
BTC-Mining: I think it's mostly people invested in his funds and not happy about the fact usagi chose some investments which were losing investments.
BTC-Mining: I never created a fund for that reason.
BTC-Mining: You get 5%-10% of the 1-2% investments get weekly (For 1000 BTC, that's around $5-20 per week)
BTC-Mining: Do you really have any incentive to be there most of the day to manage and quickly move positions?
BTC-Mining: Most funds were lower than that, around 200-500 BTC tho.
BTC-Mining: And a single big loss impacts everyone to top it.
BTC-Mining: Managing a fund seems like the worst idea you could make.
drekk: with btc under current conditions? definitely
drekk: otherwise it sounds like a fun hobby if you have the time at your hands
dakid: how long does it take to get verified these days on mtgox? anyone know
BTC-Mining: Paid far less in interests than any funds/securities.
BTC-Mining: Keep most profits for myself where I can make some.
drekk: if you're looking for interests, then of course. dividends != interests. ppl often confuse them
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 2000 @ 0.00039786 = 0.7957 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 300 @ 0.00039786 = 0.1194 BTC [+]
BTC-Mining: Yes, exactly. I was offering 0.5% in interests paid weekly.
BTC-Mining: 26% per year, semi-high credit card rate.
boonies4u: BTC-Mining: I put up a loan on btcjam, still being funded
boonies4u: I'm glad I didn't do a LTO or fund on GLBSE
boonies4u: anything worth noting on ltc-global?
boonies4u: i haven't bought/invested litecoins yet
drekk: i've "invested" 3 coins in pyramining (read: i was drunk). break-even in 13 months. yea. sure. call me maybe
noagendamarket: for one thing you can buy shares in the exchange itself lol
noagendamarket: bitcoin investing is closely related to flushung the toilet
noagendamarket: or sitting on top of a skyscraper and thrpowing $5 notes off it
BTC-Mining: Eh, I had ~18000 USD in assets on GLBSE + 3460 USD loaned through BTC-BOND + ~20000 USD through BTC-MINING
boonies4u: noagendamarket: you can make money investing bitcoins
drekk: i think mpex is actually pretty interesting. i dont care about the domain, porn and alleged child pr0n. but the fee spoils it for me atm
BTC-Mining: Considering I started with 7000 USD/900 BTC and ended up with 18000 USD/1500 BTC in value, I'd say trading was good until GLBSE went offline.
boonies4u: I hope it comes back online... or i'm gonna have to buy an FPGA
BTC-Mining: 3460 USD loaned through BTC-BOND + ~20000 USD through BTC-MINING I'll need the list of holders to return anything back.
boonies4u: I only have a few bonds lying around
BTC-Mining: The problem is that 20000 USD + about ~10000 USD of my 18k was in BTC-MINING
BTC-Mining: and Amazingrando from Bitbond has those funds loaned to.
BTC-Mining: He can return them, but without a list of BTC-MINING holders, I cannot return anything.
boonies4u: hopefully nefario doesn't kill himself or vanish
drekk: why seems everybody to be so anti-cryptostocks? besides the fact i've only found two assets that i'd out money in
noagendamarket: Its funny that BTC-Mining had value because it didnt actually own hardware yet lol
BTC-Mining: It had a loan with one of the large serious miner, with an agreement for that hashing paying the dividends to be repurchased back at 100%
BTC-Mining: So we were making money while accumulating funds for FPGA/ASICs
BTC-Mining: Without ever actually spending on equipment before seeing it working.
BTC-Mining: It was the largest pool of funds for the large ASIC rigs.
boonies4u: nefario could turn back around and damage control could go quite smoothly
BTC-Mining: So far I'm confident GLBSE will come back or a list of holders will be released.
drekk: boonies4u, stop being rational and spread more FUD! ;)
BTC-Mining: eh, if GLBSE come back and everyone panic sells...
boonies4u: drekk: where's mpex and realsolid?
BTC-Mining: I think I'll own a large portion of every assets.
RogueAI: if it's a list, it needs to be a signed list of bitcoin addresses linked to holdings
RogueAI: BTC address or jump off a bridge
RogueAI: so if any scammers or trolls confront, you can link to the transactions
BTC-Mining: Nefario should provide a way to submit a BTC address to be given to OPs
RogueAI: with the signed document as source
BTC-Mining: Then we can claim/transact with the OP through signing with said BTC address/receiving payments there.
boonies4u: here's to hoping glbse comes back up
RogueAI: with a decent PR person ;p
RogueAI: he should write a book to fund the PR position
RogueAI: "How to ruin a business in minutes"
boonies4u: I've only heard 2nd hand snippets from usagi
RogueAI: delisted something in a terrible fashion
RogueAI: then took the site down with this as the lead sentence on the parked page "For those worried about their bitcoin, please calm yourselves there has been no hack and your coins are safe and all accounted for."
RogueAI: Don't worry I didn't pull a bitcoinic@40 guys ROFLMAO
RogueAI: I bet that makes you guys feel all warm and fuzzy, I R GR8 @ PR
RogueAI: noagendamarket, the scary thing is that Nefario has used better systems in the past. So it appears from the outside that he was looking to hose over Goat.
boonies4u: so he delisted goat and shut down the site?
boonies4u: sounds silly, not necessarily damaging
RogueAI: there was time between the two actions
BTC-Mining: The thing with GLBSE compared to trading platforms is that most put funds, buy some stocks, and the ops spends it outside GLBSE.
BTC-Mining: So there's far from the whole assets' value at any time in GLBSE's wallet.
BTC-Mining: I hardly see it profitable to just steal that even if it's a good few thousands BTC over going long term with GLBSE seriously.
boonies4u: ok, so no one knows why the page was put up?
RogueAI: that's to be expected, on a USD exchange the exchange doesn't horde the funds
BTC-Mining: You would have to be a very lousy and lazy thief to go away with just GLBSE's wallet.
RogueAI: there has been no official reasoning, just that park page. boonies4u
BTC-Mining: My guess is SEC/FSA clawing back because of Pirate
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10000 @ 0.00036266 = 3.6266 BTC [+]
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13542 @ 0.00036461 = 4.9375 BTC [+]
boonies4u: if I were him, I would have just put up a bogus maintenance page
BTC-Mining: or he screwed the rolling out of GLBSE v.3 and he's now in panic mode trying to make it work.
boonies4u: is GLBSE v3 the one with actually functioning blue,white,pink, and black markets?
BTC-Mining: People would all have gone cheering with expectations about a shiney GLBSE v3
boonies4u: then he could say it was just normal maintenance, and that they shouldn't have overreacted
boonies4u: we need a live ticker on the number of hairs on nefario's head
BTC-Mining: I would easily see this happening: after the weekend, Nefario comes back, looks at all the talks and would be something like: "What the heck? I put a notice not to panic! Look at the shiny new v3!"
boonies4u: this could be a good chance to buy stocks from panic sellers
dub: pirate says the SEC havent contacted him
RogueAI: *take with mountain of salt
BTC-Mining: Odd... maybe they're so slow they haven't even yet figured who this "Pirateat40" is.
RogueAI: but yes, he said he hasn't been served with any papers yet
RogueAI: we know that from the post-Madoff review
BTC-Mining: They probably starting to have a bigger picture of what happened and info about the passthrough issuers.
RogueAI: my guess is they are in the public information gathering stage
BTC-Mining: And will have to get Pirate's identity through them.
RogueAI: to assess whether more action is needed
noagendamarket: I wondered why nefario asked what does the red button do the other day :P
boonies4u: pirate already said he's in no physical danger
boonies4u: you can make one out of plastic bottles
boonies4u: though it would be more attractive to use the plastic balls made out recycled materials
bitcoinbear: but I just gave up coke, no more bottles for me
BTC-Mining: True, plastic bottles degrade slowly. And are full of air. Perfect material for a cheap fleating island.
noagendamarket: bitcoiners dont do shit when you rip them, off...so people rip them off
bitcoinbear: actually, the other day I was contemplating stealing one of the islands in Lake Michigan
bitcoinbear: how long would it take people to notice me way out there?
noagendamarket: people break in to houses inn Australia because no one has guns and you can sue the house owner if you break a leg while stealing from them
RogueAI: new Red Dwarf season Ep 1 is out
boonies4u: bitcoinbear: I guess it depends on if border patrol boats go near it or not
boonies4u: you could make a nice little border jumping hub
bitcoinbear: no border on lake michigan, until I declare one
noagendamarket: I think the lakota indians seceeded again didnt they ?
bitcoinbear: but yes, I have seen coast gaurd out there
BTC-Mining: Make a tribe with your own language, never educate the kids about any word of english. If the first generation dies along with english before you are discovered, the next ones when discovered would be a completly non-english speaking, oblivious to technology, tribe of people from american descent...
BTC-Mining: It would make things interesting at least.
drekk: ..and call it "hobo land"
bitcoinbear: make bitcoin the official curreny ofthe tribe
boonies4u: I don't bitcoin to be an official currency by a country
boonies4u: it would remove the voluntary nature of bitcoin
noagendamarket: is it still bitcoin if you change the name of the client ?
boonies4u: noagendamarket: what is this I don't even
noagendamarket: just search and replace all uses of the word bitcoin lol
BTC-Mining: I don't care about the voluntary nature of bitcoins, I care about the lack of centralization.
noagendamarket: The lead dev being in charge of the bitcoin foundation doesnt help :P
RogueAI: The network is pretty safe as long as the majority don't adopt a code release with centralizing features
drekk: meh. think the bigger problem is centralization of PR/visibility to the outside
RogueAI: boonies4u, you mean you have a problem with monetary tyranny, correct?
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boonies4u: RogueAI: I have a problem with an organization politicizing bitcoin, which would be essentially throwing non-anonymous members and bitcoiners under the bus
boonies4u: putting up articles like that is what will get us declared as terrorists
RogueAI: I once made the mistake of reading an issue at a laundromat
boonies4u: it's a Forbes article by Jon Matonis
RogueAI: what a dirty rag of a media company
RogueAI: I don't doubt that there are plenty of idiot people out there who won't understand that no one can speak for a inanimate trading unit
boonies4u: noagendamarket: it's probably too late for me
RogueAI: maybe you should start seeding "John Matis is an idiot" around the internet
drekk: "Centralised. Here we are with the worlds most powerful distributed system with countless possibilities for expansion and yet we keep building an infrastructure with centralised components like we're still living in the dot com boom and practically every damn attack has been against centralised components."
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=115430.msg1246227#msg1246227 ;)
RogueAI: My career has included senior influential posts at Sumitomo Bank, VISA, VeriSign, and Hushmail.
RogueAI: ok that Jon Matonis bio is giving me creepy feelings about Gavin's past CIA talk
boonies4u: I don't want TBF to lead bitcoin to either extreme
RogueAI: payment processors, SSL Cert issuer, and a supposedly secure email service
boonies4u: I don't want bitcoin to become centralized or regulated, but I also don't want it to be labeled as a tool to be used against the state
RogueAI: that has the scent of intelligence asset all ove rit
RogueAI: why did they let this guy be a founder?
RogueAI: only makes me wonder how compromised any other founders are
noagendamarket: its not a tool to take down the state its a tool against bankers :P
RogueAI: imo, the mantra for BTC should be "medium of exchange for the internet"
boonies4u: maybe I should set up a dead man's switch
boonies4u: incase I disappear, certain people are informed
boonies4u: PeanutPower: we need more games that use it ingame
RogueAI: I dislike agreeing with Atlas but I'm just going to ignore that foundation
PeanutPower: i'm working on that :P from an LTC perspective :)
RogueAI: it would be nice if the devs were more interested in faster confirmations from the core network
boonies4u: RogueAI: Atlas is the reason why my post counts go up by 50 in 4 hours
RogueAI: rather than wanting bitcoin banks to form
PeanutPower: i like the 2.5 min confirmation time with litecoin
boonies4u: i like litecoin, because it's still around
PeanutPower: less politics in litecoin too :) mostly devs right
boonies4u: so I can use them to buy ads for thorrbo
drekk: how can something like btc/ltc be "not political"? even the statement "p2p over centralisation" is a political one
noagendamarket: if they shut down bitcoin we just start a new blockchain LOL
boonies4u: drekk: bitcoin is political... but saying it is political is suicide
drekk: boonies4u, i dont get that :P
boonies4u: drekk: saying that you are user of bitcoin, and that bitcoin robs the state and the bankers of the power over money... in an non-anonymous setting
boonies4u: is basically confessing to being a terrorist
noagendamarket: I dont want anyone getting a drone strike because Matonis writes an article about bitcoin
PeanutPower: boonies4u: cool i'm working on a few experimental things over at ltcgaming.tk
boonies4u: then again, they probably would miss the target anyways
PeanutPower: nothing playable yet though, just working on transaction processing, chat infrastructure stuff first
drekk: i guess you guys live on a higher paranoia level than i do :P
noagendamarket: I stay away from the city now because they are now setting up "weapon free zones" and can struip search you in public basically
boonies4u: you should just surround the city with people with guns
noagendamarket: They recently went to the train station with cardboard "checkpoints" and searched people
RogueAI: it's darkly hilarious that they are searching random people because if they specifically targeted suspected gang/mob members they would be actually putting themselves at risk to serve the community
RogueAI: and of course the criminals would sue them using their ill gotten gains
drekk: glad i'm in germany. a) we crash the few drones we have on own grounds - b) anti-terror harrasment is way more subtle - c) we keep buying foreign economies and therefore are doing ok, i guess
RogueAI: balk at appearing too strong armed, a lot of the time but then they beat up protestors over a rail station
boonies4u: all I know about germany is what I read from #agora
RogueAI: over trees and a rail station location
RogueAI: but most of the time the authorities are pretty focused on appearing reasonable
noagendamarket: I got pushed into the road by a cop and charged with jaywalking lol
RogueAI: Well, Australia is pretty close to America in personality imo
RogueAI: at least euro descent americans
drekk: RogueAI, true. police measurements during demonstrations have become pretty strong (but better documentated by smartphones as well)
drekk: also, the senior protestor from Stuttgart *was* blinded
noagendamarket: they can abduct you off the street and question you for days and youre not allowed to tell anyone
RogueAI: I think it comes from both Australia and America being where the "less fit" of British society emigrated
RogueAI: US has National Security Letters for that
RogueAI: Can't talk about being told not to talk about what we did to you
RogueAI: drekk, oh man he really did lose an eye
RogueAI: they couldn't just spend the money to save some trees?
RogueAI: have to beat the crap out of their own citizens?
RogueAI: Germany should take a queue from the US
RogueAI: pretend to be negotiating then bulldoze it at night on a weekday
noagendamarket: Australians dont have any human rights written into the constitution
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RogueAI: well, noagendamarket, it's much more about how the judges and courts behave then having written rights
RogueAI: trust me, having them written down does no good if the justice system is messed up
RogueAI: how did that jaywalking ticket turn out?
RogueAI: did the court see it for being BS?
noagendamarket: if the cops beat people up on the streets people usually cheer them on here
RogueAI: well you've one upped most US states in that regard
rg: rg's not funny unless hes on his knees scooping up your kids puke
RogueAI: I'd have a camera rolling 24/7 in town, if I was you
boonies4u: now that I moved down to central florida, maybe I'll see interesting stuff
noagendamarket: best bet is to stay away from the city where its a lot worse
boonies4u: other than a crane walking through the ditch on the ide of the road
RogueAI: have it stream to a secure storage
noagendamarket: one stopped my car and threw my keys into the bushes on the side of the road lol
noagendamarket: I had to stop delivering pizzas cos they targeted me :P
noagendamarket: I showed them...now Im fit from walking everywhere lol
noagendamarket: while they eat donuts and cant get their fat asses out of the station
boonies4u: they only have one port, and they shut it down as soon as someone sneezes
noagendamarket: youre not allowed to leave the country without permission silly :P
boonies4u: just sneak out, then ask for asylum
noagendamarket: its different when the police are corporatised and not actually employed by the government.
noagendamarket: they are slowly replacing the cops with "public service officers"
drekk: yea thats reeaaaly creepy
drekk: like they've already done with the military and corporations like blackwater
drekk: good (=scary) read: "blackwater" by jeremy scahill
boonies4u: noagendamarket: that's just us swinging our bid stick around
drekk: "do another 'crocodile dundee'or else...'
noagendamarket: The last prime minister was getting too close to china so they brought in the economic hitmen and "replaced" him
noagendamarket: she is a minority government and has never actually been voted in by the majority
drekk: so at least she's clever. :P
drekk: need some brains to be successful with that ;)
drekk: same here. replace doctors with economists and... strange... people
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noagendamarket: economists are just businessmen that never operated a business lol
noagendamarket: I wonder how long it would take Paul krugman to run a business into the ground :D
noagendamarket: "We didnt have any customers so now is obviously a good time to increase production"
noagendamarket: The economy has dug itself into a hole so now is a good time to produce more shovels
boonies4u: that way it collapses on them, not you
drekk: good night and spread the FUD!
boonies4u: noagendamarket: I don't calculate resell value into mining equipment
noagendamarket: if youre buying them just to mine youre doing it wrong :D
boonies4u: it's a little late for buying them to mine
noagendamarket: It saddens me that the only thing left on glbse is mining :(
boonies4u: eventually we will be able to print mining rigs
noagendamarket: cant leave a mining rig in a room and come back later and there is 5 more of them lol
boonies4u: noagendamarket: not as expensive to launch a rocket to get people to repair it
boonies4u: in eve lore, you make a depleted vacuum around your ship
smickles: a 7.5 hour lunch is not a bad lunch at all
boonies4u: noagendamarket: usually a loophole in physics means
Azelphur: o.O I just noticed GLBSE is down, I feel I have missed the news
boonies4u: it's not an actual exploitable loophole
smickles: i'm inclined to respect my wife's wishes and not talk about the number or quality of bjs i receive at lunch
smickles: noagendamarket: haven't yet formed to company, it'll come within the week tho
Azelphur: mircea_popescu: now I'm sad :(
noagendamarket: it must be your anniversary or birthday if your wife is ggiving bj's lol
mircea_popescu: noagendamarket maybe it's her aniversary, and she's taking them
smickles: Azelphur: dude, last i know, glbse went down, news to come sat/sun, can't be good
boonies4u: noagendamarket: i thought he was talking about bj's he receives from coworkers at lunch
asa1024: sec giving blow jobs to smickles?
smickles: you think the sec wouldn't put up an sec webpage on glbse?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13800 @ 0.00036386 = 5.0213 BTC [+]
noagendamarket: in that case they would be more interested in mpoe lol
smickles: asa1024: i'd prefer to have as little interaction with the sec as possible, bjs included
Azelphur: I am having so much bad luck with investments now lol
smickles: Azelphur: an initial investor to SS should still have made 70%ish profit
smickles: even if glbse shuts down (assuming we can identify shareholders
Azelphur: smickles: true, if GLBSE ever comes up to get that money out, haha
smickles: Azelphur: SÂcm only has about a few hundred satoshi in glbse
noagendamarket: glbse may come back but dont know how longer it will last
Azelphur: yea, but you still need shareholder data xD
dub: SEC dont call it a bj
dub: its a cockmeat sandwich
smickles: ya know, upon consideration, i'd be afraid the SEC bj representitive would be a succubus
noagendamarket: the only difference between btcjam and glbse is that glbse calls itself a stock exchange
mircea_popescu: <noagendamarket> the only difference between btcjam and glbse is that glbse calls itself a stock exchange << lol srsly.
boonies4u: btcjam also doesn't have an 8 btc listing cost
boonies4u: noagendamarket: yeah, well, if the operator bounces, people are going to have a hard time proving that they loaned me coins
noagendamarket: probably still need some kind of financial license to do that shit
boonies4u: noagendamarket: they are registered nationally
mircea_popescu: are tghese the guys who got a letter from the brazil sec to get lost and they put a post on their blog up going "o, but we beg to differ" ?
boonies4u: google translate can't seem to work on the government listing site
noagendamarket: they arent allowed to run an investment in brazilian but the brazil sec doesnt care if they do it in english lol
boonies4u: it means you won't scam as many citizens
mircea_popescu: for some reason the girl seems to be a magnet of these
mircea_popescu: that bitcoin.me fellow was going on about the same stuff
boonies4u: google translate of corporate name : Cosmic Egg DATA PROCESSING SERVICES LTD - ME
boonies4u: CODE AND DESCRIPTION OF MAIN ECONOMIC ACTIVITY 63.11-9-00 - Data processing, service providers and application hosting services on the Internet CODE DESCRIPTION OF ECONOMIC ACTIVITIES AND SECONDARY Unknown
BTC-Mining: "Maybe not, but I wouldn't give ~400 dollars for nothing to someone who cannot pay 10 dollars for a domain; so hosts it on a subdomain of a site which hosts child prn anyway."
BTC-Mining: But that's false... there is a mpex domain...
mircea_popescu: BTC-Mining false or true shouldn;'t be allowed to get in the way of a good opinion
BTC-Mining: Why not put the whole MPEx directly on said domain?
mircea_popescu: and there's also mpex.biz and mpoe.org and what the fuck else
BTC-Mining: Because being a separate thing than your blog or porn reposityr, it should be on it's own domain?
mircea_popescu: right. because some shady bs new site is very trustworthy
smickles: BTC-Mining: well, not all of us are ciuciu
mircea_popescu: a domain that's been on the net for >5 years and dominates google is a problem
mircea_popescu: if i used the backwards logic of the forum idiots i'd be doing glbse. luckily i am not.
BTC-Mining: That's like asking why google didn't redirect youtube on the google.com domain when they acquired it.
BTC-Mining: People like to have one domain/business venture.
mircea_popescu: BTC-Mining if i aquired youtube it would be on google.com/youtube
smickles: porn is just about the most profitable internet business when done correctly
BTC-Mining: Yeah but translate is a google tool, not really a full fledged venture
BTC-Mining: Also, as long as it has your gpg seal on it, any domain is trustworthy
smickles: mircea_popescu: I have heard that the high dollar cam sites are still doing well
mircea_popescu: BTC-Mining i must shamedly confess i haven't been using gpg for all that long.
boonies4u: mircea_popescu: if you owned pornhub.com and bought out nickelodeon, would it be pornhub.com/nickelodeon
smickles: boonies4u with the edge cases :D
noagendamarket: WTF did Nefario allow a lotto "companY' to list on glbse ?
BTC-Mining: Well Youtube is a business which bring money. Translate doesn't display any add or do anything other than translate.
boonies4u: noagendamarket: well, he does have a black market section now
BTC-Mining: Basically, if it's a tool like Google Mail, Google Translate, Google Maps or anything google, it's on google.com or a subdomain.
BTC-Mining: If it's another name like Youtube or Blogger, it's on a different domain.
boonies4u: mircea_popescu: you should put ads on mpex, promoting your porn laden yotsuba clone
mircea_popescu: BTC-Mining just pointing out that this fetish with new domains is bullshit.
mircea_popescu: as reprentance said, too many people think that busienss = domain + css.
noagendamarket: Youre not allowed to buy lotto tickest and onsell them
mircea_popescu: that i'm putting a little stress on this point is a boon i am granting to the conglomerated idiots around btc, on my dimee
BTC-Mining: The first are complements to google search, the others are completly separate.
BTC-Mining: That it be false or not, you got to please the consumer, not yourself.
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 8300 @ 0.00039784 = 3.3021 BTC [-]
boonies4u: mircea_popescu: facebook as an ipo might have failed
mircea_popescu: watch it be spun off for 10% of cost like myspace was, 5 years ago.
boonies4u: mircea_popescu: I never seen it as a business
Diablo-D3: you cant even say its failed as a business
Diablo-D3: they're trying to float a business model of selling users for their information to third parties, but its too little too late
mircea_popescu: Diablo-D3 nobody gives a shiot about "user's information"
dub: Diablo-D3: ever heard of GOOG?
mircea_popescu: who cares ? people are so self obsessed they really thing someone would pay $$$ to know what they think of a cat picture ?
Diablo-D3: dub: google has done this since day one
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: no, its usually just brand research
mircea_popescu: nobody cares. really. you'd have to pay companies to care about what "the userbase" does.
Diablo-D3: like, if I say pepsi sucks, pepsi mightw ant to know why
dub: I love when people mistake my trolling for financial advice
Diablo-D3: problem is, facebook doesnt HAVE the why
boonies4u: mircea_popescu: nobody cares what you think about facebook
Diablo-D3: infact, Im not sure what facebook is
Diablo-D3: you cant connect with friends over it, you cant tell the world what you think of it
smickles: can we leave facebook off this chan?
dub: LEAVE FACEBOOK ALONE
Diablo-D3: smickles: why? its a perfect example of how you can sell hype to idiot investors
Azelphur: oO cool I just got an email from BFL
Azelphur: the SC Singles are 60GH/sec now
noagendamarket: facebook should make its own stock exchange and list on itself lol
Diablo-D3: Azelphur: yeah, and matching nearly identical numbers to everyone else
dub: so did I, they are shipping my asics in teh first 3rd
Azelphur: mircea_popescu: BUT I ONLY GOT THE EMAIL TWO MINUTES AGO
Azelphur: that cheers me up anyway as I have 3 singles on preorder
dub: assbot should really be called assbook
mircea_popescu: dmc is better than facebook. dmc lost investors like 10k usd off ipo prices ?
dub: kakobrekla: make it so
Diablo-D3: boonies4u: basic and reclaimer will be 4-5 watts/gh
Diablo-D3: if bfl claims anything other than that, they're lying
mircea_popescu: everyone is claiming the same now, so the battle of wits is on
boonies4u: Diablo-D3: they're not using the same asic tech I believe
boonies4u: Diablo-D3: then it doesn't matter what they claim, your point is moot
Diablo-D3: I have no reason to believe bfl is legit
Diablo-D3: they have failed to answer vital questions
Diablo-D3: they have refused to treat their investors AS investors, and keep claiming they're preorder customers
copumpkin: mircea_popescu: nope, you might be looking at one of their indices, not the company itself
dub: actually, that could be usagi
boonies4u: Diablo-D3: they are preorder customers
smickles: copumpkin: did someone nuke china or something?
Diablo-D3: you're a preorder customer if the product actually exists
copumpkin: but vanguard dropped them as the benchmark for their funds
copumpkin: dub: aha :) I was referring to zero wing
boonies4u: Diablo-D3: the product was already designed IIRC befoe they were put out for preorder
Diablo-D3: boonies4u: it wasnt even taped out
boonies4u: Diablo-D3: i'm sorry,I don't take that here
Diablo-D3: BFL has refused to answer any questions to hide this fact
Diablo-D3: boonies4u: I could care less what you think
boonies4u: Diablo-D3: have you submitted it in writing?
smickles: common sense is usually incorrect
Diablo-D3: I know how chip manufacturing works, BFL has refused to answer even basic questions about their operation
Diablo-D3: there is no reason to think the chips exist
boonies4u: Diablo-D3: then it doesn't matter how they treat the people they're scamming
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: they'd have to answer to investors and they refuse to
Diablo-D3: the people they keep trying to claim are preorder customers arent
boonies4u: Diablo-D3: first, you accuse them for lying that they have less power consumption than everyone else, then you say they're lying for not having chips at all
copumpkin: smickles: and I am quite cross at the recent developments with glbse
smickles: copumpkin: in the whitest kids youknow racewar skit, english is 'merican
Diablo-D3: boonies4u: theres no way thats happening unless they're on 45nm
boonies4u: Diablo-D3: so are they scammers because there's no chips? or are they scammers because there are no 45nm chips?
Diablo-D3: now, it could be a sasic 45nm, but then you're basic to having a shit inefficient design not much better than a 45nm fpga
Diablo-D3: boonies4u: they're scammers because their chips cant exist.
Diablo-D3: the little information they did release only highlights how much of a scam it is
mircea_popescu: honestly i find the entire asic thing dubious. not just bfls', across the board.
boonies4u: mircea_popescu: dedicated mining hardware is inevitable
copumpkin: mircea_popescu: it'd be funny if it was a circle of lies of everyone one-upping the others' lies
copumpkin: and nobody has a clue how it works
Diablo-D3: boonies4u: usually if someone claims to have defeated the laws of physics, its a scam
copumpkin: dub: you were the one mocking nefario for needing 400 quid, right?
mircea_popescu: the people claiming them cavalierly have neither the expertise nor the capital to bring them.
smickles: glbse shut down b/c nef didn't pay the hosting bill b/c noone lent him the money
boonies4u: smickles: he probably didn't try hard enough
Diablo-D3: so hes probably the only legitimate one
smickles: although it was timed consistant with the nature of name server switching
Diablo-D3: 130nm 200mm wafers at SMIC using SMIC's IP core library to spam a predesigned sha256 core
dub: copumpkin: I haven't been paying attention, was there a punchline?
copumpkin: dub: oh, it'd be funny if he shut down glbse cause he was out of money :P
smickles: MY PENIS IS BIGGER THAN AN AIRCRAFT CARRIER MOTHERFUCKAAAAAS
smickles: glbse is offline, what else is there. I'm not taking usagi's route
smickles: worst case senario, (oh usagi didn't kill himself yet?) I go to jail for lame ass securities fraud.
smickles: ah, ok. But srsly about usagi, is anyone able to check on him? he was spouting off all depressed earlier
asa1024: they msgd me back saying they were done puking
mircea_popescu: actually im agreeing with copumpkin for once. poor dood.
smickles: mircea_popescu: yeah, b/c of the way the regs are in 'merica
asa1024: then I said well there is always dry heaving
mircea_popescu: smickles want me to bet you 1:1 that you're not going to no jale ?
dub: as if usagi even exists
smickles: I didn't file regulation D exemption for S2cm or MPOE.etf
dub: its someones troll account
mircea_popescu: what do you want smickles ? .1 btc ? 1 btc ? 10 ? 100 ?
smickles: mircea_popescu: 1:1, naw, i don't give my self that good of odds going to jail
smickles: I seriously don't expect to go to jail
smickles: but just in case i do. You all know this:
asa1024: just tell the SEC we all got carried away thats all
smickles: and if i have to testify somewhere and the grand inquisitor askes me about that statement:
copumpkin: smickles: link to the apeshit vide
noagendamarket: The uS tried sending a nuclear warship to NZ they told them to gtfo
smickles: I'd point out that I said that statement in preparation for just this situation
mircea_popescu: How am I supposed to do that? There's no f*****g volume, there's no buyer except at 0.000000001 BTC because of all the shit. Why somebody whould buy an asset when you have the choice between:
mircea_popescu: -A website that make instant decisions without any warning (delisting, closing, whatever)
mircea_popescu: -Another who ask 350$ for registration with more porn than assets on it.
mircea_popescu: y people do not understand the importance of paying me fees :(
copumpkin: smickles: make sure the SEC sees the whole thing, as it contains crucial evidence for the case
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34700 @ 0.00036386 = 12.6259 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C120T] 1000 @ 0.2221539 = 222.1539 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C110T] 700 @ 0.27527009 = 192.6891 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C130T] 700 @ 0.17827185 = 124.7903 BTC [+]
smickles: ya know, at least us humans genearlly eat shit in a figurative sense
smickles: Smoovious: didn't something like 500 btc just trade there?
smickles: ok, i am drunk, that question just derpped me
smickles: did you have the same suspision about glbse, icbit, or cbx?
dub: Smoovious is teh great conspiracy theorist
dub: and general whiteknighter for usagio
dub: everything is a scam except usagio
mircea_popescu: this "if bitcoins are hoarded they're worthless" argument is utterly bs.
smickles: i may be drunk, but pfft isn't a good reason
mircea_popescu: they don't have to be traded to have value, they just need to be wanted.
mircea_popescu: actually, virgins are in most times and places more valuable than well used whores. i wonder why.
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 600 @ 0.00039781 = 0.2387 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 9800 @ 0.00039715 = 3.8921 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 7900 @ 0.0003839 = 3.0328 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 7500 @ 0.00035145 = 2.6359 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 1 @ 0.00018002 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 1000 @ 0.00018002 = 0.18 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 1000 @ 0.00018001 = 0.18 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 199 @ 0.00018 = 0.0358 BTC [-]
smickles: wtf, giga went back up to .004ish?
smickles: it seems to me people argue both sides of an argument far too often
smickles: *far to often to be intentional
smickles: *because this needed one more asterisk
mircea_popescu: the one thing i love about running mpex is how rarely i need to pay tx fees
smickles: mircea_popescu: i bet I could run up your tx fees by like .0001 or so :P
dub: is it hunting nefario down and cutting his tits off?
dub: or are we not quite there yet
boonies4u: i love it when people post ambiguous dates
BTC-Mining: Almost on par even if it won't upgrade
gribble: Best bid: 12.73, Best ask: 12.83, Bid-ask spread: 0.10000, Last trade: 12.83, 24 hour volume: 40200, 24 hour low: 12.6, 24 hour high: 13.0899
dub: >implying I have a forum acct
mircea_popescu: i must say, cryptostocks site is about 100 times better than glbse ever was
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16000 @ 0.00036386 = 5.8218 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2000 @ 0.00339997 = 6.7999 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 8000 @ 0.00339998 = 27.1998 BTC [+]
noagendamarket: eventually any bitcoin site offering securities will run into exactly the same issues glbse has
noagendamarket: best bet : get your local stock broker to accept btc lol
dub: was there some more info?
BTC-Mining: mircea_popescu, can you at least demand from your MPOE-PR to get her facts straight? Although she has many valid claims/points, she keeps attacking everything with misquotes/altered facts which are easy to point out. It's like a double edged sword.
BTC-Mining: Arf, okay, let me check her post history and find back a few.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1457 @ 0.00035988 = 0.5243 BTC [-]
dub: yes, internet is 50% less retarded for the moment
gribble: Nick 'B0g4r7', with hostmask 'B0g4r7!natty@h-98-134-238-48.ip.alltel.net', is not identified.
gribble: This user has not yet been rated. WARNING: Currently not authenticated.
B0g4r7: hm, yea I never did figure out the web-of-trust or whatever that system is.
mircea_popescu: it's one of the things that seem stupid before you get it and impossible to live w/o after.
BTC-Mining: Okay, so for example, she start a scammer tag thread for nefario. Stating how it's been mismanaged. That's okay until now. I'd agree the situations have been mismanaged.
B0g4r7: Looks like I missed out on today's drama, being away from my deskjob desk.
BTC-Mining: But about DMC, she states: I.d. The accounts were later unblocked without any audit being performed, and without any material changes in the alleged facts.
BTC-Mining: When the shareholders decided by a motion to keep Diablo-D3 as a manager. Also.
BTC-Mining: III.a. Starting at least as early as September 10 the assets controlled by Usagi (CPA, NYAN.x, BMF) were being scrutinized publicly on this forum for gross negligence possibly amounting to fraud on the part of the asset holder, in the same manner and to an extent equal or greater to that of I.a. above.
BTC-Mining: III.b. In spite of III.a. Nefario declared Usagi as the head of the ad-hoc commission that was to review GLBSE assets for inclusion in blue/white categories.
noagendamarket: Someone should just make a less retarded version of MPEX with exactly the same features lol
BTC-Mining: Usagi was never declared head of a commission or appointed to review and make decisions about asset inclusion.
BTC-Mining: I'm also in the group with Usagi. We're merely providing input and opinion but have no actual say in decisions which are left to Nefario
BTC-Mining: She twists facts/improperly research them
mircea_popescu: BTC-Mining well, so you're in a better position than her to know. you should make a post saying this right there
noagendamarket: The problem is Nefario takes more notice of the people on this "board" than people whio actually own the company....
BTC-Mining: She gives half stories keeping only parts to make it look worse, and people spot it. Makes MPOE-PR look bad and thus MPEx
B0g4r7: "feel sorry for anyone who didn't pull out after learning that the SEC guy knew something would be happening with GLBSE."
B0g4r7: ^ what is this referring to?
BTC-Mining: I'll reply soon to the thread, I just mean, ask her to research the facts a thoroughly.
BTC-Mining: It might not be deliberate, but it's bad PR if the facts she gives are not accurate, especially when making serious accusations.
MrTiggr: mircea_popescu: B0g4r7 .... the "SEC Guy" thing is in reference to an email recieved by some from SEC i am pretty sure
mircea_popescu: BTC-Mining how'd she research things that are privy to like a few people ? was what you claim now posted anywhere ?
B0g4r7: Any forum (or other) reference you can cite?
MrTiggr: B0g4r7: was that directed at me ?
mircea_popescu: B0g4r7 there's a pastebin, want me to dig it out for you ?
MrTiggr: B0g4r7: i have a copy of the email but not sure if its kosher to pass it around ....
MrTiggr: ^^ or mircea_popescu can find the pastie
B0g4r7: mircea_popescu: if you would plz.
MrTiggr: looked TOTALLY legit, noagendamarket
mircea_popescu: it was legit. they prolly got 1000 complaints forwarded from local da's and whatnot
MrTiggr: all the headers checked out and even a phone call was made to check it i believe
BTC-Mining: mircea_popescu, as far as I'm aware, no, but neither was the fact Usagi somehow had any say about assets listing or not.
mircea_popescu: BTC-Mining im not even sure where she picked that up, but prolly in one of the many usagi drama threads
B0g4r7: Like I posted here, I wonder if the LOTTOMINING thing was an SEC sting.
BTC-Mining: People are seriously starting to form a bad opinion of MPOE=PR and indirectly, MPEx because she make up facts/guesstimate them without verifying them.
mircea_popescu: BTC-Mining you know she has a pretty good record of being spot on, right ?
B0g4r7: And it seems quite blatant in its illegality.
B0g4r7: Yeah, I LOL'd at the patent reference.
mircea_popescu: hey noagendamarket, what's the confirm count on your oldest tx ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 3800 @ 0.00339998 = 12.9199 BTC [+]
MrTiggr: iirc danieldaniel made a phonecall to confirm it (that mustve been funny :D )
BTC-Mining: Aye, people are not complaining about if she has a good guess ratio. They complain about the fact she pass up unverified information as facts to push her guesses before the actual facts happen. It's like someone saying everytime "I saw that person murder someone" when it never happened and she just had a hunch about it and in her defense, claim to be right 90% of the time. Doesn't really
BTC-Mining: excuse passing things as facts which are not.
BTC-Mining: But really, the point is not there about if it ends up being true, it's that announcing things as facts before it happens seems to really hurt public opinion of MPEx.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23300 @ 0.00036002 = 8.3885 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10000 @ 0.0003646 = 3.646 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35310 @ 0.00036461 = 12.8744 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41600 @ 0.00036547 = 15.2036 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11712 @ 0.00036748 = 4.3039 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64500 @ 0.00036749 = 23.7031 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19900 @ 0.00036838 = 7.3308 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51100 @ 0.00036839 = 18.8247 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26100 @ 0.00036848 = 9.6173 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33000 @ 0.00036849 = 12.1602 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38875 @ 0.00036978 = 14.3752 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31337 @ 0.00037009 = 11.5975 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13266 @ 0.00037034 = 4.9129 BTC [+]
B0g4r7: Hm, yea that email does have the ring of legitimacy to it.
Ukto: so wait, did nefario and glbse idssapear?
MrTiggr: mircea_popescu: yeh i thought there was more than one .. i recall seeing dandan talking on irc at the same time thos; so i "witnessed" at least one phonecall
BTC-Mining: I mean, she could start the same accusations without passing things as facts and quoting instead and arguing why it looks shady and why she believes it's highly likely to be a scam or anything.
B0g4r7: Or rather, it lacks the obvious signs of inauthenticity commonly found in these things.
Ukto: it did or it didnt. speculation aside
dub: B0g4r7: there was a thread started by a guy who claimed to have claled the sec lawyer the letter came from, who asked him questions about GLBSE
mircea_popescu: MrTiggr anyway, it's well established by now that its legit
BTC-Mining: I find she's not doing a good enough job for MPEx
MrTiggr: i had a copy of the ermail with headers too ... SPF was all intact, everything checked out from a tch. standpoint
mircea_popescu: BTC-Mining but i mean... so what are you saying, you want her job ?
Ukto: i did hear a rumor about SEC. but that doesnt seem plausable, as no actual us$ was involved, and it was in the UK
Ukto: but he would come and tell someone
Ukto: that its down for X
Ukto: i am not sure that nefario woudl run off with everyones btc
mircea_popescu: which is why i said kinda. who the fuck knows what's going in their little rats nest by now.
Ukto: he IS paranoid tho, i give you that
dub: what about all teh idiotic shit he has done in the paste month makes you think that?
mircea_popescu: he never clarified exactly what the beef was with goat
mircea_popescu: and i don't believe either one of them, they're both lieing about it.
BTC-Mining: Eh, not sure I would have the time. But at least if you found someone who would constructively argue instead of accusing by association. See, I don't go attacking you personally for what MPOE-PR do, I come to you and argue about why it seems like she's doing a bad job for MPEx and why I think you should held her accountable for what she do when acting as MPEx's public face.
B0g4r7: A google for that phone number turns some threads discussing it.
Ukto: anyoen talk to the other owners of glbse?
Ukto: negario was only 35%
mircea_popescu: BTC-Mining the only thing you've not done yet is actually show me some serious issue there.
B0g4r7: What is the connection between theymos and glbse?
Ukto: whoops, did i say that
dub: thats like my usagio before
mircea_popescu: which he was trying to divest, saturday. by monday nefario was fucking up the show.
Ukto: has theymos said anything ?
B0g4r7: He's said that he knows nothing.
B0g4r7: I'm not holding out much hope of getting my 50 BTC back.
B0g4r7: I'd just deposited it yesterday. Not bought any securities yet,
smickles: yeah that cracked me up. theymos found out about glbse going offline on his forum
smickles: never mind that theymos is a nearly 25% stakeholder in glbse
mircea_popescu: you have any idea how long i've been trying to account for you!
dub: never mind that nefario and theymos are fuckbuddies
B0g4r7: I wonder where the SEC got a list of addresses to email ppl, assuming the SEC thing is for real.
Ukto: then someone else would have gotten emails
B0g4r7: If like 1,000 ppl got it, I'm sure some responded.
B0g4r7: "waaah, I bought PPT and lost everything"
dub: B0g4r7: someone mentioned WOT
smickles: well, it's odd that not all the asset issuers got the email, but then again, I don't know how the sec operates
Ukto: I dont recall who the other owner was, besides theymos
noagendamarket: they arent investigating glbse itself or theymos woulda got a letter
Ukto: I'll have to dig throgh my chats with nefario
Ukto: althoguh I do know one thig
smickles: noagendamarket: would theymos say if he was contacted?
Ukto: Nefario did tell me he was living solely off of btc from glbse
B0g4r7: noagendamarket: I'm not sure we can assume that.
noagendamarket: if anyone is in danger its theymos since hes in the US
bonks: mircea_popescu: k np
smickles: mircea_popescu: not all of us live as well as you :p
B0g4r7: I just wanted to buy some ASICMINER>
mircea_popescu: smickles ya but i think it's under unemployment benefits
mircea_popescu: B0g4r7 well if you buy 5k or w/e the person holds private books
B0g4r7: Yeah, the Board Member package.
B0g4r7: He's mentioned extending the private books offer to smaller investors. Guess I'll wait and see.
noagendamarket: they dont arrest you for investing in a nigerian scheme lol
smickles: so if they don't go after investors, pirate is cool, right?
smickles: he was just some sorry bum who borrowed money to invest in zeek
B0g4r7: They need to keep their crooked fingers out of bitcoin.
copumpkin: we have enough crooked fingers already
smickles: they need to deem it computer game money and ignore it
B0g4r7: or any other purely digital currency.
smickles: copumpkin: only my thumbs are crooked, what fingers do you have covered?
B0g4r7: If ppl want that kind of regulation, let them play in the classical markets.
smickles: if i give a 'thumbs up" the tip of my thumb points backwards, otherwise, it looks 'normal'
mircea_popescu: B0g4r7 people may want it till they're blue in the eyeballs.
noagendamarket: when you point your finger theres 3 fungers pointing at yourself lol
smickles: it's not real money anyway unless it can play on a vegas craps table
smickles: I should go there and call out 300 btc on a hard 12. see what happens
mircea_popescu: noagendamarket lemme point out smickles's fund made a solid 1200% over ~5 months
smickles: mircea_popescu: well, if glbse doesn't come back, some of the investors will be f'd
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20900 @ 0.00037034 = 7.7401 BTC [+]
smickles: but well over 3/4 got out before glbse went down
smickles: mircea_popescu: if glbse doesn't come back that btc, or the shares that hadn't yet sold inot the final bidwall don't mean anything
mircea_popescu: smickles you originally said "soon" is what i was answerting to :p
B0g4r7: I'm not counting on even getting my BTC back from my glbse account.
smickles: B0g4r7: you're that pessimistic?
B0g4r7: These things rarely have a happy ending in my experience.
mircea_popescu: B0g4r7 i imagine even if nefario turns a total ass and runs with the ppl's btc
mircea_popescu: people will cover for it. it wasn't that much to begin with
jcpham: everyone is under arrest
B0g4r7: who would "people" be?
jcpham: line up against that wall over there
jcpham: prepare for the cavity search
smickles: well, s2cm doesn't need any btc from glbse, just a list of the shareholders
Ukto: who would the people be that will cover?
Ukto: its not like the share creators can do it
Ukto: they dont know who has what
B0g4r7: I guess you mean the other glbse owners.
B0g4r7: I had no shares, just BTC.
B0g4r7: Had not yet purchased anything.
smickles: got in at a good time i see :(
jcpham: i was reading the forum thread about allof this and then i got bored
B0g4r7: Much like I got into trading classical stocks at a good time in 2008.
mircea_popescu: B0g4r7 usagi is the master of it tho, with his 200 btc
smickles: B0g4r7: well, if you'd've picked junk bonds, you'd've made a mint
Ignatius-otc: could have thrown a dart at a wall of stocks and shorted whatever hit for plenty of profit
smickles: I have 200 of the finest btc to ever be mined
smickles: but i don't know how to tell the difference
B0g4r7: Buying ops aplenty in '09. '08 was all downhill.
smickles: mircea_popescu: oh sorry, i pulled a non-sequitur sort of topic change there
smickles: Oh what luck, just one more buck, fortune left me by chance.
jcpham: i don't want to talk about how many coins i've mined
jcpham: versus how many i have
jcpham: certianly i've mined over 1000, maybe 1200
jcpham: YEAH BUT YOU LIVE IN SOME CRAZY FAIRY TALE WORLD
jcpham: real people aren't as privileged as you
jcpham: you should feed poor people
jcpham: most of us plebians have to work
smickles: don't tell him to feed poor people, hell asphixiate them with semen
jcpham: looks like mouth boner
smickles: i mean't it as licking my lips
mircea_popescu: smickles o, cause i was gonna say MY HARD COCK!!!1111 ?
jcpham: i wouldn' judge you if it was some type of mouth boner
mircea_popescu: Morocco blocked a Dutch "abortion ship" from entering one of its harbours on Thursday during a campaign group's first attempt to visit to a Muslim country to raise awareness about safe methods of abortion.
jcpham: i wonder what they do with the babies while at sea
smickles: there's a cruise line for everything
jcpham: one of these days someone will stumble in this channel
jcpham: without a sense of humor
smickles: it's liek rule 43, if you can think of it, carnival has a vacation package for it
Ukto: I wanted to make a black shirt, with a coat hanger on it, that says "Got Coathanger?" and goto one of the anti abortion rally's
Ukto: put up a fold up table, giving away free coathangers to pregnant teens
Ukto: and a sign with an arrow "Follow these guys, heres your choice."
smickles: Ukto: no, non-prego teen chicks, so they have unprotected sex, get prego, and then can use the hangar
Ukto: at least pirate stuck around
Ukto: i give him a point for that
Ukto: nefario just disapears
smickles: B0g4r7: thing is, they wouln't claw back btc, they'd claw back a btc equivilant amount of USD
Ukto: even when he had his extreme paranoia, he came and said he was working on shit
Ukto: has anyone tracked old payments back to the original wallet
Ukto: to see if its been emptied ?
Ukto: nefario has nothing to do with gpumax
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5800 @ 0.00036789 = 2.1338 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45162 @ 0.00036751 = 16.5975 BTC [-]
Ukto: he jumped into the band wagon that gpumax was crap, and was the source of some shit before
B0g4r7: Hm, that's not a bad idea.
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P140T] 492 @ 0.25399152 = 124.9638 BTC [+]
gribble: Best bid: 12.7, Best ask: 12.787, Bid-ask spread: 0.08700, Last trade: 12.67505, 24 hour volume: 39938, 24 hour low: 12.6, 24 hour high: 13.0899
B0g4r7: Looks like my BTC have indeed been moved out of the deposit address I sent them to at glbse, only a couple hours after I deposited them.
B0g4r7: I wonder if that's normal.
smickles: mircea_popescu: so what do you make of that P140T?
B0g4r7: I should go to bed really.
Ukto: well then, check the wallet that the btc was moved out to
smickles: mircea_popescu: that option went on the ticker and you did a ;;ticker, i thought they may be connected
mircea_popescu: usually people buy calls when it pops and puts when it plumets
B0g4r7: Looks like it's all still there. My BTC was in the last sweep into that address.
jcpham: i know where all the bitcoins are!
Ukto: it may be possible that nefario is network less
Ukto: he was using a cell phone for internet access
Ukto: another good reason to check the cold wallet
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4000 @ 0.00036795 = 1.4718 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13900 @ 0.00036795 = 5.1145 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 900 @ 0.00036795 = 0.3312 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4300 @ 0.00036904 = 1.5869 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1922 @ 0.00036795 = 0.7072 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 838 @ 0.00036751 = 0.308 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11308 @ 0.00036609 = 4.1397 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24231 @ 0.0003652 = 8.8492 BTC [-]
gribble: Time since last block: 18 minutes and 40 seconds
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45500 @ 0.00036904 = 16.7913 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19434 @ 0.00037034 = 7.1972 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40200 @ 0.00037043 = 14.8913 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50100 @ 0.00037054 = 18.5641 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20001 @ 0.00037149 = 7.4302 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1853 @ 0.0003721 = 0.6895 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19980 @ 0.00037242 = 7.441 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3800 @ 0.00037278 = 1.4166 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19132 @ 0.00037398 = 7.155 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 996 @ 0.00028006 = 0.2789 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 12700 @ 0.00027682 = 3.5156 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 14804 @ 0.00023469 = 3.4744 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7800 @ 0.00037094 = 2.8933 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36468 @ 0.00037398 = 13.6383 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2332 @ 0.00037408 = 0.8724 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BVPS] 539 @ 0.0035 = 1.8865 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24594 @ 0.00037012 = 9.1027 BTC [-]
MrTiggr: you sound so dissapointed ... perhaps its the other way around, ___Atlas___ .... perhaps you are like a bitcoin "typhoid Mary" :P
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 600 @ 0.00037012 = 0.2221 BTC [-]
fridge: is there a write up of what is known re glbse? I have been out of the loop
fridge: I was kind of expecting it tbh, either glbse to belly up or my portfolio to consist entirely of scammers
fridge: but it is more entertaining than a night at a casino
fridge: whereas I only have brazzers account
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41106 @ 0.00037012 = 15.2142 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14894 @ 0.00037012 = 5.5126 BTC [-]
jurov: fridge, i have read much of it and am none wiser... it's not like hollywood movie where they explain everything
___Atlas___: I've completely reformed the Bitcoin wikipedia article
___Atlas___: but we're going to get to featured article status eventually
jurov: wish I had your noble desires...
jurov: here it's all carnal, like fucking and money
MrTiggr: lol .... makes me think futurama ...... Screw them all we'll make our own curreny with blackjack .. and hookers :D
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6200 @ 0.00037375 = 2.3173 BTC [+]
dub: don't forget shit eating primates
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35000 @ 0.00037375 = 13.0813 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25362 @ 0.00037175 = 9.4283 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24512 @ 0.00037375 = 9.1614 BTC [+]
femtotube: looks like the new Master Of Hyperbole is DiabloD3 :)
femtotube: "A software update for the launch of GLBSE 3.0 is plausible.... just so is the SEC extraditing him from the UK to stand trial in the US."
drekk: so it seems. didnt check tho
drekk: did you notice an impact on mpex trading volume since glbse is down?
drekk: really? interesting
drekk: so ppl really are scared :D
drekk: crazy stuff. can't read the forum anymore. all trolling and FUD and whining
femtotube: How many scam accusations do the forum mods need to tag someone? Usai looks like the most popular candidate for a tag but nothing has happened
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 788 @ 0.00037375 = 0.2945 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22612 @ 0.00037408 = 8.4587 BTC [+]
femtotube: mircea_popescu: none of those are bull shit and all are verified fuck ups
femtotube: scammer has to collect more money and then run? :)
femtotube: then and only then, the not so bright overlords can tag
mircea_popescu: i think idiocy is an absolute defense. sorta like verity in calumny proceedings
drekk: it's a forum. not a trading platform. what do you expect?
femtotube: "oops, I am an idiot stealing all the coin. Sorry! Se you all next time" ?
mircea_popescu: "did you scam these people ?" "no, i'm just stupid" "a ok then, move along"
femtotube: this defence probably works in BTC forum :)
mircea_popescu: "i really made a good faith attempt at investing despite the fact that i lack any experience whatsoever, training no matter how informal or even enough common sense to notice a problem with any of this."
drekk: "...also I got a free rifle at my bank for opening a new account. FREE RIFLE!!!"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60989 @ 0.00037189 = 22.6812 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6111 @ 0.00037103 = 2.2674 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48700 @ 0.00037166 = 18.0998 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 7000 @ 0.0002777 = 1.9439 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2000 @ 0.00037408 = 0.7482 BTC [+]
___Atlas___: It will be remembered in the footnotes of virtual history
___Atlas___: Right next to second life stocks and other ponzi schemes
___Atlas___: Hopefully you guys don't have your money seized by the London police
___Atlas___: and then see it spent on the Queen's LSD habit
___Atlas___: I mean, it is in royal law: All property is of her majesty, the Queen.
gribble: "<html>\n<body>\n<h1>GLBSE is offline</h1>\n<p> For those worried about their bitcoin, please calm yourselves there has been no hack and your coins are safe and all accounted for.</p> \n<p>I apologize for the lack of notice and the downtime, but there isn't much choice. We will update our users on Saturday.</p>\n</body>\n</html>\n"
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 519 @ 0.0002777 = 0.1441 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 5800 @ 0.0002777 = 1.6107 BTC [+]
___Atlas___: Lucidize: How does it feel knowing the Queen of England has your coins now?
___Atlas___: The Queen owns GLBSE now. It's her property.
Lucidize: It doesn't sound true to me =)
mircea_popescu: never ascribe to nefarious agencies that which can be adequately explained by nefario's stupidity.
___Atlas___: By any measure of sovereignty, Britain is still a monarchy.
___Atlas___: The Queen can do whatever she wants without any police intervention
pigeons: yes the queen of england shut down glbse
Azelphur: true story, she told me at dinner
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16800 @ 0.00037245 = 6.2572 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10300 @ 0.00037195 = 3.8311 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30300 @ 0.00037158 = 11.2589 BTC [-]
Azelphur: with the wording, I'm kinda hoping it's a major security vulnerability that needed to be fixed
mircea_popescu: ___Atlas___ "to reach consensus in a network of computing power that validates the transactions"
Ukto: and the fact that he could predict an "update" saturday
Ukto: means its not a code thing
Ukto: if it was a code thing, he would to fix it, and put the site back up when it was ready
pigeons: he means saturday like pirate means "saturday"
___Atlas___: without some goon coming in saying "play stocks"
___Atlas___: I had to endure many edit wars to get the article to where it is right now
___Atlas___: Some wanted it dedicated to bitcoin.org's shitty client
___Atlas___: not a software project managed by a 40 year old virgin
___Atlas___: who wants to get paid to make small code contributions
mircea_popescu: what's the problem if tux and whoever want ot pay gavin ?
___Atlas___: I don't want bitcoin.org having any influence over Bitcoin
Ukto: bitcoin is a commodity, not a currency
Ukto: calling it a currency causes all sorts of problems
Ukto: just saying, it is what it is
Ukto: a bitcoin is a commodity.
Ukto: unless someone can cite a regonized government, recognizing bitcoin as a currency, it is a commodity, nothing more.
___Atlas___: In economics, a commodity is the generic term for any marketable item produced to satisfy wants or needs.
Ukto: can data storage be a currency?
Ukto: I will trade you cow patties and use it for currency
Ukto: can we add that to the list?
Ukto: i know some stupid ppl that would trade me stuff for pocket lint
Ukto: like a broken pencil
Ukto: i am paying with my currency
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 400 @ 0.00027772 = 0.1111 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 666 @ 0.00339998 = 2.2644 BTC [+]
pigeons: we need some #btcst style enforcement here, kicks on the word nefario
pigeons: are ou wearing that black dress mircea_popescu?
rdponticelli: Anyway, the problem is: around December the only one remaining here would be assbot
pigeons: the one you wear when you pretend to be "the girl"
mircea_popescu: no, i can go just fine w/o mentioning james q dummy by hischisen name.
drekk: Dr. N(efari)o. call james bond
BTCHero: we should have all listened to the great mircea_popescu
NO_OOh: ha, yes of course I am nefarios
B0g4r7_: IMO, glbse made a mistake in trying to court these so-called "legitimate businesses" that wanted to be listed.
pigeons: don't worry, if you didn't listen to him before, or even if you did, you'll get another several chances to hear it
BTCHero: We said, but mircea_popescu the site looks so nice and user friendly
mircea_popescu: mircea_popescu, the site. coming up next, mircea_popescu, the musical.
B0g4r7_: He/they ought to have told them to look elsewhere, and continued to keep glbse in unregulated territory.
pigeons: B0g4r7_: i hear you but let's face it that isn't the issue here
mircea_popescu: B0g4r7 dude, the guy is just insane. all his "legit" talk was about STARTING A COMPANY
mircea_popescu: has fuckall to do with registering as a financial services provider.
pigeons: yeah but you still can't afford another domain
pigeons: yeah and you're a gypsy too
NO_OOh: maybe if someone registered on your site and paid the 20bitcoin you could afford a new domain
asa1024: porn and stocks - what more do you want?
pigeons: how many registrations to afford a web designer?
NO_OOh: mircea_popescu: really? when did that change?
Doffx: Can I have a free account mircea_popescu.
PsychoticBoy: a big fat gypsy wedding, that ppl are strange, with thir kitsch looks etc
drekk: i'll never get those complaints about webdesign, tld, pr0n... it's obviously a service that works for a lot of ppl
mircea_popescu: Doffx no, but if you wait a while longer you can pay me 50 btc at 20 dolla each
B0g4r7_: Well, now we're left with a gaping vacuum where it once was.
B0g4r7_: Hardly an improvement IMO.
Doffx: Ill give you .50 btc for an account today.
mircea_popescu: Doffx i'll give you .3 of that for your wife. if you don't have one get one we can talk.
pigeons: anyway there's some of those usagi scamassets on mpext
drekk: guess the reason for having a high fee is to keep amateur traders out. i actually appreciate that
mircea_popescu: PsychoticBoy you don't know how it feels like to have trades executed within the second
B0g4r7_: Most everything was listed with glbse.
B0g4r7_: Now all that stuff is inaccessible.
B0g4r7_: Specifically I wanted to buy into ASICMINER, and now I can't (easily).
Doffx: Ok, ok, ill give you .45 for an acount today.
PsychoticBoy: I hate gpg, I only use it in some emails, because its not user friendly
mircea_popescu: problem is not that gpg is not psychoticboy friendly. problem is yu're not gpg friendly
Doffx: Its pretty easy to use though, whats difficult about it?
mircea_popescu: poor people in africa. you're all welcome to your own ghetto.
Doffx: Are you using windows?
B0g4r7_: It's hard to make cryptographic technology user-friendly.
drekk: only partially encrypting mails kinda spoils it imho. you're making it easy for a possible attacker to identify which mails are sensitive
Doffx: Ahh, yeah windows makes things more difficult
B0g4r7_: In order for it to be effective, the user needs to have more that just a basic understanding of how it works.
B0g4r7_: Or they'll do dumb things and their security will be compromised.
Doffx: What I found hard about gpg is the documentation is lacking on some of the things you need to do.
drekk: gpg4win is pretty user-friendly. ugly, but not complicated
pigeons: you only need to --encrypt --ascii --sign
B0g4r7_: "user friendly" == "user does not need to understand how it works"
drekk: B0g4r7, pretty much.
mircea_popescu: PsychoticBoy well if you have kleo then i really fail to see your problem. you instal python and run pympex
rdponticelli: Anyway, it's useless if you got a trojan with a keylogger
drekk: B0g4r7, you should be familiar with be basic concept of publöic/private key encryption
B0g4r7_: Yes, i am drekk. But most novice users are not familiar one bit.
pigeons: it is one click for mpex "submit"
B0g4r7_: When it comes to cryptography though, a thorough understanding is required. Otherwise all a user can do is trust blindly.
B0g4r7_: Blind trust may be OK for running MS Word, but not for security-sensitive things involving lots of money.
PsychoticBoy: I will try mpex when its not that expensive, 400$ is a aweful lot
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21900 @ 0.00037126 = 8.1306 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18900 @ 0.00037188 = 7.0285 BTC [+]
drekk: mircea_popescu, trojan/rootkit to do what?
rdponticelli: I won't use a fund who's administrator uses windows and refuses to use gpg, nothing personal...
mircea_popescu: drekk trojan for passphrase, rootkit for actual keyring with secret key
mircea_popescu: rdponticelli well he does some gpg, he idents in otc for instance
drekk: mircea_popescu, dunno what you mean. :D i was just talking about the possibility for a mitm to tell which of your mails are the important ones, if you only encrypt those
rdponticelli: Not remotely enough if you're managing other people's money
drekk: decrypting it is a different thing of course
PsychoticBoy: Your choice, I will provide gpg encrypted text if you want to
mircea_popescu: drekk o o sorry, thought you meant about key compromise
rdponticelli: It's not just that. It's about maintaining a safe environment
rdponticelli: If you prefer easy of use, you're trading off security
mircea_popescu: rdponticelli seriously now, mpex is shockingly easy to use. people thinking differently are just basing themselves on prejudice
mircea_popescu: if you get them to actually try it they go uhhhh ok ?!
rdponticelli: Yeah, when you learn a couple of thing, everything is easy
mircea_popescu: i mean, i spent about an hour or so getting evoorhees set up with it. he hasn't needed help since.
mircea_popescu: same thing with some other guy, it's an hour to set up then i never hear from them again
Doffx: Ugg, thats not why people are down on Mpex, its not gpg.
mircea_popescu: which is kinda why i'm willing to help pretty much anyone through it. i know once they have it it's good forever.
rdponticelli: But it's frigthning that there's so many people unwilling to learn anything
rdponticelli: The thing is: making things right needs some effort
rdponticelli: Meanwhile, we keep relying on tools half baked, "proudly" made in 4 days...
Diablo-D3: femtotube: erm, theymos is the bitcointalk owner and a glbse shareholder
femtotube: is everyone involved with BTC a fkn thieve and a liar ?
Diablo-D3: I didnt used to believe it, but I do now
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 805 @ 0.00325001 = 2.6163 BTC [-]
femtotube: Diablo-D3: and how is that "owner" status any excuse?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1000 @ 0.00320002 = 3.2 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1000 @ 0.00320001 = 3.2 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 3195 @ 0.0032 = 10.224 BTC [-]
Diablo-D3: femtotube: it means hes a trusted community member
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: not from lack of trying.
femtotube: none of them are worth any trust or respect
Diablo-D3: shit goes wrong due to outside forces, I get blamed for it by the people who could have helped prevent it
femtotube: I know all about your DMC saga, Mr Forum Moderator ;)
femtotube: I guess if you sleep with dogs, you will wake up with fleas
femtotube: I miss my coin those GLBSE assholes stole from me :(
pigeons: ou'll get 49% back i'm sure
B0g4r7_: me too. I had cold hard BTC in glbse, not securities.
femtotube: I guess all the bond issuers are ecstatic right now. No exchange, no obligations
femtotube: I transferred my coin out of this shithole when fucktard nefario was missing for 3 days
femtotube: if BTC really had a community, those fuckers be all bleeding and shitting by blood now. Starting with this asshole from Texas. Trendon Shavers or what ever.
femtotube: but now, it's just a bunch of weak and soft nerds, who start blabbering about human rights the moment some scumbags deserves to go tits up.
kakobrekla: B0g4r7_ it might be cold but it aint hard :)
femtotube: mircea_popescu: when are you going to run?
B0g4r7_: A halving of assets, to go along with the halved block reward.
mircea_popescu: femtotube funny thing, i have an investor been asking me this since about novemver
femtotube: Good thing is, it's really easy to buy your scalp in Romania :)
femtotube: cost almost nothing to get you all be boxed up and everything.
mircea_popescu: femtotube so your idea of security is, spending more money on the guy that ran off with your money ?
rdponticelli: mircea_popescu: When you run, your shareholder would take part of the bootie :p
mircea_popescu: why do i have to run tho ? i'm lazy. can't i just sit here forever and take everyone's money ?
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 2800 @ 0.00027772 = 0.7776 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 13318 @ 0.00027772 = 3.6987 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34458 @ 0.00037065 = 12.7719 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31142 @ 0.00037034 = 11.5331 BTC [-]