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jurov: we have had ads saying: Everything Is Scam, Only Milk Is Water
mircea_popescu: hahaha
kakobrekla: win http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&v=MENjFkEAj9g&NR=1
mircea_popescu: awesome kakobrekla
mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=115669.msg1260084#msg1260084 i wonder who he means ?
TooTnBooT: mircea_popescu - Who do you think he means?
mircea_popescu: TooTnBooT possibly gavin.
mircea_popescu: then again, aspies are aspies.
TooTnBooT: Interesting.
TooTnBooT: So possibly when he decided to legitimately acknowledge being a Bitcoin developer, he wanted to separate the fact that he holds millions in BTC?
mircea_popescu: it's dubious he holds millions.
mircea_popescu: at the time mining became really a public endeavour block count was ~20k. that'd be one million.
mircea_popescu: i guess if he never sold anything and mined a majority of those first 20k blocks he could have 1mn.
Ukto: hmm
dub: oh hey, pirate is paying back this weekend
TooTnBooT: dub - funny
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8200 @ 0.00031143 = 2.5537 BTC [+]
Ukto: in a system.. if last trade was a buy at say.. 1.5... and there is a sell at 1.75 that goes through, even though the price is higher than the last trade, woudl you mark that as an up or down for last trade?
mircea_popescu: TooTnBooT and who might you be ?
Ukto: cause in theory it was a downward aimed sell
mircea_popescu: Ukto +
mircea_popescu: its up from last trade, so +
kakobrekla: assbot would say +
Ukto: so it takes 2 sell's work to declare a down?
TooTnBooT: mircea_popescu - I was in here asking about investing a week or so ago. You criticized my knowledge.
kakobrekla: Ukto it can be 2 buys
kakobrekla: or a sale and a buy
kakobrekla: or a buy and a sale
mircea_popescu: TooTnBooT how's that worked out for you ?
Ukto: i jsut figured that a sale, would be aimed down
Ukto: lol
mircea_popescu: Ukto it takes the price oflast sale going under the price of prev last sale
Ukto: yeh
kakobrekla: Ukto it doesnt matter what is it
kakobrekla: each sale is a buy
kakobrekla: and each buy is a sale
TooTnBooT: I sold all my S.Dice passthru shares and withdrew from GLBSE, so it worked out well actually.
kakobrekla: in effect
kakobrekla: only numbes matter
mircea_popescu: wd on that score lol
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla he's thinking in booktaking terms, but you're right its irrelevant.
Ukto: yeah, i am just talking display purposes
mircea_popescu: TooTnBooT so were you saying you were going to prove that any asset in glbse is better than mpex stuff or what ?
TooTnBooT: I don't know anything about mpex.
kakobrekla: Ukto depends what you are displaying then
TooTnBooT: You may be confusing me with someone else. I was complaining about S.Dice.
TooTnBooT: I've never seen mpex.
mircea_popescu: ...
dub: its THE bitcoin securities exchange dont you know
TooTnBooT: dub - I guess I don't know.
dub: oh wait, theres that cryptostocks one
TooTnBooT: THE exchange I used is no more.
kakobrekla: its in the friggin topic.
kakobrekla: meh, people.
rdponticelli: kakobrekla: Nobody looks at the friggin topic...
kakobrekla: i know
kakobrekla: people.
rdponticelli: I don't even have it enabled
kakobrekla: i come from a time and place where one got +b for not reading it
rdponticelli: Well, if you fix quassel, I promise I'll enable it again, and even read it
mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=115669.msg1260129#msg1260129 i see this is going admirably well...
kakobrekla: i havent been following it closley enough
kakobrekla: why arent we getting payed yet again?
mircea_popescu: because bitcoin.
kakobrekla: aha
kakobrekla: makes sense.
jcpham: dafuq
kakobrekla: ill just wait!
kakobrekla: :)
rdponticelli: Irreversible payments, remember?
rdponticelli: Ask bulanula
jcpham: magnets
jurov: today i asked deadterra about GSDPT but he got no information from glbse at all... and that one can be solved without moving any bitcoins
jurov: dunno why they're waiting
rdponticelli: But you would be asking nefario to stop counting coins to do something else entirely related...
rdponticelli: *unrelated
rdponticelli: That's not an option
mircea_popescu: someone was asking me about gsdpt earlier too. sad fact of the matter is, w/o actual shareholder lists there's jackshit anyone can do.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2757 @ 0.00031137 = 0.8584 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: and that faces serious problems because glbse never used gpg keys. and so...
mircea_popescu: fuckall knows.
rdponticelli: The tickets to pirate's island must be expensive...
mircea_popescu: at least we can estimate the expenses of taaki, strateman and the rest of the scammergroup
mircea_popescu: they need about 100k usd a year to keep going.
mircea_popescu: whether it comes from bitcoinica user funds, glbse user funds or w/e else, it's the rake,.
rdponticelli: So, how many bitcoinicas a year?
mircea_popescu: they got like 30k or so bitcoin there, right ? btc was about 5 ?
mircea_popescu: now they got like 8k or so here, btc is about 12.5
mircea_popescu: works out.
rdponticelli: Yeah, cool business
mircea_popescu: what exactly anyone would have to be thinking to deal with any of them in the future is beyond my mere human comprehension.
rdponticelli: BTW: Patrick, Amir and Donald aren't tagged, right?
mircea_popescu: well atm neither is theymos, so.
rdponticelli: They'll have to try harder...
mircea_popescu: far as i'm concerned they're tagged.
mircea_popescu: ;;rated genjix
gribble: You rated user genjix on Fri Sep 28 02:51:20 2012, giving him a rating of -1, and supplied these additional notes: there's that entire bitcoinica mess to be cleared..
rdponticelli: ;;rated genjix
gribble: You rated user genjix on Sat Jul 14 10:35:57 2012, giving him a rating of -10, and supplied these additional notes: Sorry, guys, but until the bitcoinica incident gets completely sorted out, IMHO you can't be trusted with a single satoshi more..
rdponticelli: I've been meaner than you...
mircea_popescu: and apparently much earlier
rdponticelli: That's not easy
mircea_popescu: i only slapped him when he came in a week ago to "vouch" for scamfarion.
rdponticelli: It was after they emptied the mtgox account
chmod755: ;;rated genjix
gribble: You have not yet rated user genjix
rdponticelli: They had delayed so much the process...
rdponticelli: And suddenly, that
rdponticelli: If it was not malice, it was deep incompetence
rdponticelli: It's a -10 anyway
mircea_popescu: im satisfied that they stole it.
chmod755: ;;gettrust genjix
gribble: Trust relationship from user chmod755 to user genjix: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 2 via 1 connections. Graph: http://serajewelks.bitcoin-otc.com/trustgraph.php?source=chmod755&dest=genjix
chmod755: hm
rdponticelli: ;;rated phantomciruit
gribble: You have not yet rated user phantomciruit
rdponticelli: ;;rated phantomcircuit
gribble: You rated user phantomcircuit on Sat Jul 14 10:35:46 2012, giving him a rating of -10, and supplied these additional notes: Sorry, guys, but until the bitcoinica incident gets completely sorted out, IMHO you can't be trusted with a single satoshi more..
chmod755: ;;gettrust phantomcircuit
gribble: Trust relationship from user chmod755 to user phantomcircuit: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://serajewelks.bitcoin-otc.com/trustgraph.php?source=chmod755&dest=phantomcircuit
chmod755: O.o
jcpham: rumor has it that chmod755 is satoshi
jcpham: the one and only
chmod755: jcpham, what?
dub: I can tell by the writing style and having seen quite a few satohsis in my time
jcpham: I thought you were satoshi nakamoto
chmod755: ;;whois chmod755
gribble: chmod755~ (~chmod755@unaffiliated/chmod755) has been on server zelazny.freenode.net since 10:50 AM, October 09, 2012 (idle for 1 second) and is on #bitcoin-otc, #bitcoin-dev, #bitcoin, and #bitcoin-assets.
chmod755: ;;seen satoshi
gribble: I have not seen satoshi.
chmod755: jcpham, i'm not
jcpham: that's fine
mircea_popescu: dub also photoshop am irite ?
jcpham: i'll talk with the rumor people then
chmod755: jcpham, which rumor people?
jcpham: the ones who rumor?
chmod755: WHERE?
jcpham: over there.
jcpham: you know
jcpham: I don't remember now who told me
chmod755: jcpham, MrTiggr? :d
jcpham: maybe
jcpham: i couldn't out my sources
dub: thats a point actually
dub: re: nefario, has anyone called the Bitcoin Police?
chmod755: dub, no
chmod755: ;;tz melbourne
gribble: Tue Oct 09 22:06:14 2012 UTC | 9:06am Wednesday (EST) - Time in Melbourne VIC, Australia
chmod755: dub, feel free to call the bitcoin police :p
jcpham: me dials ;;911
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1275 @ 0.00031137 = 0.397 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52651 @ 0.00031136 = 16.3934 BTC [-]
dub: theres quite enough chronic masturbation in my life already
Doffx: I called the Sesame Street police, I have a feeling Big Bird and the crew will have just about the same effectiveness in the matter.
dub: jeez, i mention bitcoin police and suddenly im getting a rectal exam
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 600 @ 0.00031136 = 0.1868 BTC [-]
Doffx: By Big bird No less.
Doffx: They dont call him Big Bird for nothing nudge nudge
dub: thats why Romney loves him
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P110T] 10 @ 0.10637201 = 1.0637 BTC [+]
Diablo-D3: [06:20:52] <dub> theres quite enough chronic masturbation in my life already
Diablo-D3: dub is a member of the GOP?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BVPS] 48 @ 0.00316777 = 0.1521 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16057 @ 0.00031143 = 5.0006 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50811 @ 0.00031247 = 15.8769 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20489 @ 0.00031136 = 6.3795 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5560 @ 0.00031136 = 1.7312 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35998 @ 0.00031129 = 11.2058 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2000 @ 0.00339998 = 6.8 BTC [+]
smickles: aw, c'mon <@assbot> [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P110T] 10 @ 0.10637201 = 1.0637 BTC [+], the p140t is a better deal, i'm sure
mircea_popescu: lol why ?
mircea_popescu: it dipped under 11 b4
smickles: ;;calc 11-(.10637201*[ticker --last])
gribble: 9.72908849892
mircea_popescu: nah that's not correct.
smickles: ;;calc 14-(.25780139*[ticker --last])
gribble: 10.9198405526
mircea_popescu: .py (11 - 9.72908849892) / 9.72908849892 - 9.72908849892
markac: -9.59845843001
mircea_popescu: .py (11 - 9.72908849892) / 9.72908849892 - 0.10637201
markac: 0.0242580589136
smickles: the calc i did isn't the break even point?
mircea_popescu: nope.
mircea_popescu: at the price you propose there's a 0.02xx btc profit
mircea_popescu: per contract. ie 20%
smickles: strike - premium isn't breakeven for puts?
mircea_popescu: strike - thenprice / thenprice
mircea_popescu: is then-value of puts
mircea_popescu: then you substract premium from that
mircea_popescu: put110t is worth 10btc per contract if btc/usd = 1
kakobrekla: ;;seen usagi
gribble: usagi was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 4 days, 17 hours, 47 minutes, and 10 seconds ago: <usagi> We own 2000 shares.. should be good if glbse comes up :/
kakobrekla: no wonder is so quiet.
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: he owns "malicious criminal libel" in google you knwo.
jcpham: not quiet enough
kakobrekla: hm mp?
mircea_popescu: .g "malicious criminal libel"
markac: mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=112927.0
kakobrekla: a.
smickles: ;;calc (14-[ticker --last])/[ticker --last] - .2578139
gribble: -0.0862657828452
smickles: ;;calc (11-[ticker --last])/[ticker --last] - .10637201
gribble: -0.18586991795
smickles: is that not a better deal on the 14?
mircea_popescu: smickles depends where it ends up going
mircea_popescu: always the time value of an option will be a larger part of its total value the closer the strike is to current price
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3700 @ 0.000312 = 1.1544 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40202 @ 0.00031129 = 12.5145 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24498 @ 0.00031122 = 7.6243 BTC [-]
rdponticelli: lol, thanks for analizing so deeply my little trade, smickles and mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: lol
kakobrekla: http://shrani.si/f/2g/3E/ACzC6Q1/hrm.png
kakobrekla: so
kakobrekla: these are sorted by date
rdponticelli: And, yes, the time value is why I tend to buy put of as low as a strike as possible
kakobrekla: how does phrausts rating make sense?
rdponticelli: Just as an insure
kakobrekla: (date is last change)
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla maybe ?
mircea_popescu: ;;gettrust pirateat40
gribble: Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user pirateat40: Level 1: -1, Level 2: 22 via 19 connections. Graph: http://serajewelks.bitcoin-otc.com/trustgraph.php?source=mircea_popescu&dest=pirateat40
kakobrekla: maybe what
mircea_popescu: maybe it makes sese.
mircea_popescu: i could envisage situations in which it made sense.
smickles: heh, rdponticelli i just wanted you (well, i suppose it was you now) to buy some of my puts :p
rdponticelli: Do you sell puts?
smickles: rdponticelli: the 269 left on http://polimedia.us/bitcoin/mpex.php?mpsic=O.BTCUSD.P140T
rdponticelli: Oh...
rdponticelli: lol
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2417 @ 0.00031259 = 0.7555 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: smickles you need a newsletter for your brokerage customers :D
smickles: kakobrekla: maybe it was >1, but was lowered to 1 afterthe bad news
rdponticelli: I don't even use to look at orders books of puts of too high a strike
rdponticelli: As mircea said, almost all of it's value is time based
BitcoinBear: claim process opened on glbse,com
BitcoinBear: log in to get your bitcoins
mircea_popescu: o hey!
smickles: what?
Azelphur: oO, yay
mircea_popescu: seems so.
Azelphur: yea, it wants photo ID
Azelphur: so I'm fucked \o/
smickles: no way?
Azelphur: yes way
smickles: D:
Azelphur: To comply with money laundering regulations we must ask you to submit documents for proof of your address and identity.Picture of your IDPlease provide a clear picture of your photo ID. For France, Germany, Spain, and English speaking countries ID cards, Passports and drivers licences are accepted, for everywhere else only passports are accepted.
dub: oh hey, GLBSE has been upgradede, quite fast nao
Azelphur: not sure wtf I'm supposed to do, I don't have a passport or drivers license
dub: wat
mircea_popescu: ffs.
mircea_popescu: well so at least now we know
Azelphur: yea
mircea_popescu: lol dud
mircea_popescu: dub*
Azelphur: shame nefario isn't here, I really need an alternative way of verifying
Azelphur: unless I go apply for a passport and come back in like 6 weeks
Azelphur: :/
dub: youy should get a passport and drive to britain
smickles: Azelphur: support@glbse.com
dub: to verify with him personally
Azelphur: dub: step 1) get a passport and drive to where I already am
Azelphur: smickles: good idea, I'll send him an email
kakobrekla: lol srsly
kakobrekla: i wont give my pass to nef for my 5 smickes shares
smickles: Azelphur: i might have his personal email, one sec
JWU42: well - as a verified asset issuer this is BS
Azelphur: smickles: fun
JWU42: already went through all this once - he doesn't need another copy of this that he can lose
rdponticelli: Fuck them
dub: feds need copies in triplicate
JWU42: haha
rdponticelli: I'll have to take a passport to recover my fucking assets?
mircea_popescu: dub should get a special hat./
kakobrekla: i wont do it.
dub: mircea_popescu: wai?
mircea_popescu: cause you're funnay.
thestringpuller: Who gets sent physical bills anymore? I have to call my tax commissioner to get proof of resident? Such an inconvenience...
mircea_popescu: anyone else got their heat runnign yet ?
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller so pull some strings.
thestringpuller: lol I don't think it's worth it. Cut da losses.
kakobrekla: yep
kakobrekla: i down like 5 btc
thestringpuller: Serves me right for trusting someone who codes a website with bootstrap.
dub: I'd like to cut something
mircea_popescu: <thestringpuller> Serves me right for trusting someone who codes a website with bootstrap. << this.
thestringpuller: They probably use mysql :P
thestringpuller: With all the money they were raking it shoulda gotten an oracle license
kakobrekla: ;;rate nefario -10 scammer
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of -10 for user nefario has been recorded.
thestringpuller: LOL
thestringpuller: Poor nefairo
mircea_popescu: ;;gettrust nefario
thestringpuller: Nefario*
gribble: Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user nefario: Level 1: -1, Level 2: -4 via 6 connections. Graph: http://serajewelks.bitcoin-otc.com/trustgraph.php?source=mircea_popescu&dest=nefario
mircea_popescu: i guess hisnew and legit exchange will hit the ground runnin
smickles: aw fuck
smickles: I just moved, i have no proof of address
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26463 @ 0.00031122 = 8.2358 BTC [-]
thestringpuller: After he goes through 4 years of paperwork
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53937 @ 0.00031122 = 16.7863 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller at an estimated cost of 8mn a year.
kakobrekla: ;;rate nefario -10 rich scammer
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating for user nefario has changed from -10 to -10.
mircea_popescu: which he certainly has access to
mircea_popescu: </sarcasm>
dub: I read that as 'the estimated cost of a 9mm'
dub: and I though, now there is a solution!
mircea_popescu: lol
thestringpuller: someone should invent a p2p dividend paying system
thestringpuller: called accounting 101 =P
Azelphur: I just sent this to nefario lol http://pastebin.com/dCxCs8qr
[\\\]: So whats to stop nefario from using all of these documents to commit identity theft?
[\\\]: he isn't licensed
[\\\]: he doesn't have a personal bond
dub: he's an awesome dude?
dub: and wouldnt fuck us ever
[\\\]: lol
mircea_popescu: lol that'd be the end all. nefario takes off with some k btcs and sells everyone's ids on SR
[\\\]: exactly
mircea_popescu: then like... makes a video from puerto vallerta
thestringpuller: You can find his address if you put glbse.com into the networksolutions whois
thestringpuller: but I heard doxing is bad mmmkay
Azelphur: who.is is the best for DNS info
knotwork: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=117453.msg1260985#msg1260985
Azelphur: :P
thestringpuller: so if people's identity leaked I see him getting beat up maybe?
[\\\]: he's asking for the same info that I'd be required to present to get a replacement state id
[\\\]: he could get a government id in my name
[\\\]: and I'm supposed to just give it to him?
[\\\]: LOL
thestringpuller: and your first born child
smickles: jebus, even my lease is electronic
[\\\]: all of my utility bills are electronic
smickles: I haz no proof of address within nef's requirements
[\\\]: and let's face it, a picture of 'me' holding my name/date on a piece of paper could be photoshopped
mircea_popescu: NO ASS ET&C FOR YOU
[\\\]: this isn't 1998 anymore
mircea_popescu: [\\\] you should totally photochop some
mircea_popescu: like, obama holding one
mircea_popescu: we should have like a photochop contest
[\\\]: is it illegal to submit false docs to nefario?
[\\\]: :-x
mircea_popescu: it's illefarian
grubles: illefarian
grubles: im stealing that
grubles: thx
mircea_popescu: yw
mircea_popescu: rule 4 waiver hereby.
[\\\]: what's rule 4?
grubles: rule 4: give all ideas to grubles
thestringpuller: Lol, FoxConn goes on strike apple plummets 15%+
[\\\]: oh, right
grubles: step 2. profit
grubles: step 3. keep all profit
thestringpuller: a month for short selling
Azelphur: mircea_popescu: does make me wonder if I photoshopped a passport if it'd work
Azelphur: baring in mind I don't actually have one
[\\\]: lol Azelphur
mircea_popescu: can't hurt anything.
Azelphur: xD
mircea_popescu: actually, chop a few wh8ile you're at it.
Azelphur: I sent him an email asking if there's any way I can alternatively auth for now, anyway
[\\\]: I would think auth'ing via 2fact is enough to prove I am me
Azelphur: I'm quite happy to auth (heck, my address is on my DNS whois, it's all obvious) xD
[\\\]: it was for 6 months or however long it was
smickles: well, i can confirm that you can't just skip the photo upload
kakobrekla: DNS record != passport copy
Azelphur: kakobrekla: never said it was XD
thestringpuller: "spread your cheeks and lift your sack"
kakobrekla: you act like it is.
Azelphur: no, I don't.
grubles: thestringpuller, that only applies if one is afro-american
smickles: kakobrekla: i'm sure he was just pointing out that he doesn't care if people know his addy
Azelphur: ^ is what I was trying to do :p
smickles: btw, i don't either
smickles: mine is:
smickles: 12NjnZTVeTJ3g5C7BqfS2aQ2rLkmwiqVz6
Azelphur: haha
smickles: o/
[\\\]: he can have a copy of my sensitive documents just as soon as I get a copy of his surety bond
abracadabra: sensitive documents?
abracadabra: -.-
[\\\]: yeah
[\\\]: copy of government id, utility bill
[\\\]: all the things required to get valid government id in my name
[\\\]: oh, ok
[\\\]: sure, steal my identity
[\\\]: first my coins, now my usd
Diablo-D3: ....
Diablo-D3: [10:21:52] <[\\\]> he can have a copy of my sensitive documents just as soon as I get a copy of his surety bond
Diablo-D3: lawyerporn.
noagendamarket: http://omgdroid.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/RageFace.jpg My photo ID
[\\\]: lol
noagendamarket: ACAgEDAwIDBQkAAAAAAAAAAQIRAxIhMQQTQRRRkaGiBWFygbEVIlKCwdHh8PH/2gAMAwEAAhEDEQA/AOpYnbKqMljLkiFKREn3Y8IA1+PprQu37jasZP57UAtY8AwHYASB4RoByipLm1VUEm60D90V8VfacW/+H1p9E/AXYv0iso7dTFLw3ps/++f+0V7/AFGhYrx2ntlFdfXr2/T+5y9I/wDbGIue9ZUtEn+1LQ3mtxPHYgGCcg61Ku8KSBxmzEAgZB11p69Lx+g9IxiUMfT0r0NQLbe9S4PCm85Lk6WwQBmPQd/M0P3Z/TcXYF+7iGtZ9US2iABehJYEt8q+rhhLLi7rdL7/APB48iUZaRuKt+RWeG35FL+6208U1/EYfEBW4BTLdVcucPqJXl7Parm+e8X6HhLl0RniLYPLOeWnbqartSU
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[\\\]: wtf
smickles: ?
noagendamarket: QNQzCQTJ/Zy6QDEzSg28KZgvFuEmNIXkah2rjwEBzP7Q0IHUH8KqHXxc1F+TH00oxtf1M4YuSfGnM+73pY3z3jZHWxzmC5VZAnlqB8adMNsEGRmIgnp/mpLm7X7/wAq+Z0+PLCevRa/FR7suTHKNaq/I5hc28XlgPqrAEEqRmJ5QMsmW1jsKr43EXltrefLF0mAJLazqVC6CPvFdUTdqf2/kKk/0wPf+X+a+h38y4x/UeTt4fM/kcn2nthrRW1AJWGaASMzCYmOggHSmvdW3cuA4hyoZ5y5oERpyIkU0jdsSfEfs/zUq7rfvfL/A
Diablo-D3: this isnt css.
noagendamarket: fuck
smickles: noagendamarket: what are you doing?
[\\\]: he pasted an image in here
[\\\]: data:image/jpeg;base64,/9
smickles: oh lol
Diablo-D3: I love data encoded urls in css, btw
[\\\]: quick, someone put it back together
Diablo-D3: saves a fuckton on uselessly tiny images
noagendamarket: http://i.imgur.com/0z0zp.gif
Azelphur: Word on the street is that when you actually give it your passport / drivers license it just throws 413 errors.
kakobrekla: yeah ill give nefario my pic, but its gonna be this one http://shrani.si/f/22/Pg/2vwHW4QN/94211314332323786455114n.jpg
kakobrekla: not fake.
smickles: lol
noagendamarket: lol
[\\\]: ahhhh, kiddie pr0n
Azelphur: the other fun part is that I'm planning on moving soonish
Azelphur: so, any info I provide now
Azelphur: will be invalid in <2 months
noagendamarket: I dont have any proof of address or even ID
noagendamarket: Im a ghost :P
Azelphur: noagendamarket: welcome to the club
Azelphur: well I have some proof of address, but no photo id
noagendamarket: I have a PO box lol
noagendamarket: No fixed address
noagendamarket: and no utility bills :P
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31100 @ 0.00031121 = 9.6786 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24626 @ 0.00031115 = 7.6624 BTC [-]
dub: I live under a bridge
dub: how will I recover my DMC share now
noagendamarket: thats the point :(
noagendamarket: very few people will bother
grubles: dub, tithe at #bitcoin-church
kakobrekla: thats why i commented my rating rich scammer
kakobrekla: pirate is a poor scammer
noagendamarket: if he donates the leftover coins to the bitcoin foundation Ill be pissed lol
smickles: someone should liberate that db and wallet
dub: I was thinking
dub: thats actually not a bad plan
smickles: i don't think it would even be theft
grubles: dub, no Luke-Jr is not allowed
mircea_popescu: rtheft ?
dub: instead of gitmo/SEC holiday camp, nefario could have his data stolen the hacker benevolently returning everyones shit
Luke-Jr: grubles: you really want to recruit trolls?
smickles: dub: ideally, yes. even taking a fee for services rendered would be better than this
dub: sounds like business plan
smickles: 5% sounds fair to me
dub: a notquitedeadmans switch
mircea_popescu: what i want to know is
smickles: that's going to net them a fair amount of btc
mircea_popescu: what fucking money laundering would be going on with glbse ?
dub: lol
mircea_popescu: it's moeny laundering or money shrinking ?
grubles: Luke-Jr, maybe...i like living life on the edge
mircea_popescu: glbse is that asshole laundromat that shrinks your load.
noagendamarket: it works if you issue mining turds
smickles: heh, what's the cupizz code?
smickles: EvanR: tanking
mircea_popescu: smickles cusip you mean ?
mircea_popescu: dub thankee pardner
dub: do issuers need to re-verify to get the info I wonder
mircea_popescu: they need to re-issue
dub: if I have no btc or shares in my account because I only issued an asset, why cant the email address for my account recieve shareholder data (assuming shareholders verify)?
Ukto: I cant login to my glbse account?
Ukto: whats up
Ukto: heh
Ukto: wow
Ukto: nefario is really going out of his way to try to kill things
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 783 @ 0.00031115 = 0.2436 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: btw folks once you send your id stuff to nefario cc them to me too
mircea_popescu: who knows, maybe i need some id's sometime.
[\\\]: I think nef should hire zhou
[\\\]: at least then we'd figure out who the hacker was in about 10 minutes
[\\\]: and then get 49% of our coins back
dub: dude this is cut and dried intersango process
mircea_popescu: i agree with my forespeakers.
[\\\]: didnt nef work for intersango?
mircea_popescu: yes.
dub: he's certainly familiar to those scamming fucks IRL
mircea_popescu: they're a little group, that london failference was pretty much them and streetwalkers.
rdponticelli: UK has always been full of pirates
dub: theymos, phantom, gengix, nefario.. its a scammers anal chain
Ukto: so this is funny. in nefario's speach here in this video http://youtu.be/vmPD_YSQ--k he talks about how you dont need to provide id for glbse.
Ukto: :P
Ukto: thats the advantage
Ukto: sounds like a lie
dub: no
Ukto: at roughly 4min in
dub: it sounds like like like like like like like like like a like lie
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ut-1Ofy2vI dub you remind me of this guy
dub: that video is one second too long to remind you of me
mircea_popescu: lol
Ukto: how much more gouging is he requiring for issuers?
smickles: /item/7a9ac139d2 << lol
pigeons: what kind of id is he requiring?
smickles: pigeons: passport, drivers
pigeons: and then i guess he needs to "review" it?
pigeons: shit
pigeons: just give it all back and be done
smickles: pigeons: also a photo of a document proving address
pigeons: shoe on head too?
smickles: sort of
smickles: a photo of yourself with a paper signed "glbse" and your username
smickles: specifically a 'clear' photo
pigeons: that's unprecedented
Ukto: no writing "/b" on your hand in a photo?
pigeons: its not like the usernames and passwords wer eleaked and he needs to verify
toffoo: so how exactly are the "assets" going to be returned to you?
mircea_popescu: pigeons : shoe on head, sharpie in pooper and stfu.
pigeons: personal delivery
B0g4r7: I ain't giving Nefario so much as a pic of my big middle finger.
Ukto: he's gonna make out like a bandit heh
B0g4r7: Funny you should use that term.
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: B0g4r7 start a forum thread
Ukto: pun intended. dont worry
mircea_popescu: "Fuck you nefario. No ids. Cough up the lists"
mircea_popescu: if enough people sign... this won't go anywere in a DIFFERENT WAY from the way nefario was going to have it nowhere
mircea_popescu: which seems like... i dunno, a sort of win.
Ukto: "You said just a few weeks ago, the advantage of GBLSE is no AML requirements" *link to youtube*
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10200 @ 0.00031106 = 3.1728 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29200 @ 0.00031102 = 9.0818 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13263 @ 0.00031087 = 4.1231 BTC [-]
B0g4r7: Ukto: Post it.
B0g4r7: in the thread
Ukto: [22:06] <Ukto> so this is funny. in nefario's speach here in this video http://youtu.be/vmPD_YSQ--k he talks about how you dont need to provide id for glbse. about 4min in
Ukto: go for it
Ukto: i dont touch forums
noagendamarket: http://www.encyclopediabitcoinica.com/wiki/GLBSE
Ukto: ?
B0g4r7: Nice domain.
B0g4r7: Posted. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=117539.msg1261229#msg1261229
B0g4r7: Does anyone else have the urge to slap this Rarity poster silly?
mircea_popescu: that's useless.
mircea_popescu: you need a new thread, and an actual ideea for people to gather round.
B0g4r7: I think that's more your specialty.
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: anyway, im off. hold down the fort all!
mircea_popescu: Update:we are currently unable to process account closures, and will inform our users when this service resumes.
mircea_popescu: lmao
mircea_popescu: any suckers that already dumped their ids ?
Azelphur: nice
kakobrekla: lol
kakobrekla: beyond silly.
Azelphur: I wonder why it's closed
rdponticelli: Update:we are currently unable
mircea_popescu: this is so bitcoin consultancy-y
rdponticelli: That's the end of the sentence
rdponticelli: It could be mentally unable
rdponticelli: Or a lot of others thing, just fill the gap
rdponticelli: I guess they all have corsair patents
rdponticelli: And are stealing for the crown
pigeons: sorry we accidentaly the database and are unable to process
rdponticelli: The old british empire is back
mircea_popescu: pigeons but its bycrpt
pigeons: can't hack bcrypt of course
rdponticelli: Anyway, as they deserve some fucking respect, they're not corsairs, they're all just privateers
mircea_popescu: best solution on the market.
mircea_popescu: rdponticelli privateers they're not, they go running to the govt way too often and in ridiculous ways
pigeons: ok then, sorry, we have been served a restraining order and are unable to process
pigeons: Dr. Nefario, Esq.
mircea_popescu: pigeons : today when we were at the mcdonalds the waitress looked at us a certain way and on the napkins was certain scribbled something from the prevbious patron who was this suspicious guy
mircea_popescu: therefore we consider we have been served a restraining order by the algerian president and will not be processing anything
mircea_popescu: fify.
rdponticelli: mircea_popescu: privateers were often hired by the government
mircea_popescu: no they weren't
mircea_popescu: "The person that controls this address should be someone honorable that everyone trusts. And maybe he should be anonymous because the intend of this bounty maybe isnt fully legal."
mircea_popescu: people in bitcoin. they're the intellectual cream of the crop
mircea_popescu: mixed with a good scraping off the bottom of the barrel.
JWU_42: I sent James a note asking why he needs my dox when he has them already (I verified before)
JWU_42: teust i will never get a response
JWU_42: trust*
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16350 @ 0.00031134 = 5.0904 BTC [-]
Ukto: *yawn* morning
Ukto: so, anyone dareing enough to send nef. docs yet?
Azelphur: Ukto: the owner of bitinstant tried and got 413 errors
JWU_42: he already has mine
Ukto: lol
mircea_popescu: Ukto it's finished, they have an update, "can't process" anymore.
Ukto: lol nice
Ukto: JWU_42: his plan worked for me. I checked my records, I had left 2btc there + whatever divs my 30 shares of JAH produced since may.
Ukto: He can have it. I will not give him any docs.
mircea_popescu: Ukto i'd be surprised if 10% of accts give docs
mircea_popescu: i doubt he didn;'t know this. it's just scam furtherance is all.
Ukto: I would be surprised if ti was that high
Ukto: well
Ukto: lets be honest its one of wo possibilities, A. either further scammation, and attempt to conceal embezzled funds. B. Epic stupidity. At this point, I put neither past him.
Ukto: Either way, he already won.
mircea_popescu: "won"
mircea_popescu: he already ran off with people's money. yes, he did.
Ukto: he doesnt say what happens to the assets and funds of those who dont submit docs
Ukto: sure he wont accept them for years
Ukto: surely
mircea_popescu: well... he has to, doesn't he ?
mircea_popescu: aml docs must be kept for 7 years.
Ukto: no, I ment to accept account claims
Ukto: he cant leave "claims" system open for years
EskimoBob: but you guys know where hi lives and what's his name. :)
Ukto: at some point it gets shut off and what.. he just gets to keep the remaining everything? anony contacts issuers "heres my shares"
Ukto: and claim divs from that?
Ukto: EskimoBob: and what he looks like.
Ukto: I am honestly surprised he would pull this, after going to that bitcoin london conference
EskimoBob: so, friends from Ukraine can drill holes to his kneecaps for almost nothing (compared to what he stole)
Ukto: i am partially leaning towards epic stupidity coupled with second hand scamming
Ukto: though, its funny, in that video, he mentioned he needed $200 REALLY badly.
jcpham: what video
Ukto: 1 sec
Ukto: http://youtu.be/vmPD_YSQ--k
Ukto: he mentioned how he needed $200 SOOO BADLY for some sponsorship stuff at one point
Ukto: cause he couldnt wait for a gox xfer
Ukto: keep in mind, glbse didnt profit that much off of trades guys
Ukto: this isnt mtgox volume
Ukto: his internet was via tethered cell phone
jcpham: you know if someone were to partner with me with a decent idea
jcpham: you wouldn't ever have to beg for 200$
EskimoBob: stupid little man James McCarthy
jcpham: ijs
jcpham: $200 is a couple hours work
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9323 @ 0.00031027 = 2.8926 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17491 @ 0.0003101 = 5.424 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: Ukto they were making about 4-500 each month
mircea_popescu: course, also had a huge debtload they were paying off.
Ukto: heh, mebbe recently
Ukto: at least in may, nefario seemed pretty broke
mircea_popescu: his personal finances aren't much related to the results of glbse
mircea_popescu: they depended on how much "salary" he could leach off the partners
mircea_popescu: leech*
EskimoBob: "I would consider meeting this criteria if nefario were to provide me with a HD photo of his passport, drivers licence, 2 utility bills and a picture of him holding a note saying "you must be fucking joking" and a hot chick doing "bunny ears" on him." - LOL :)
mircea_popescu: this is unfair. how's the guy to find a hot chick now ?
mircea_popescu: if it were at all possible it'd have happened in his 20s
DeaDTerra: I just finished off a talk with James :)
DeaDTerra: We had a good laugh about all the paranoid people on the forums :P
mircea_popescu: o hey, welcome to my ignore again!
mircea_popescu: this guy has got to be stupid or something.
teek: So during all this usagi flew the coop eh
Ukto: though to be honest
Ukto: for the 90% who dont give ID, etc.. how are the asset issures supposed to 'continue their relationship'
Ukto: how are the issuers supposed to continue at all
Ukto: "well, i have identified 5% of my shares ownerships. guess I go with that" ?
Ukto: what does he expect?
Ukto: what stops nefario from using ppl 'codes' and anon-claiming to be a share holder to an issuer
Ukto: mostly for the ppl who dont ID within X
Ukto: With all this, and his paranoia, ppl knowing his name, face, etc, I am surprised he's trying to piss ppl off
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Ukto: he needs to just reenable the site, let ppl 'transfer shares' w/o penalty and a note to distinguish themselves to the issuers
Ukto: and be done with it
jcpham: you better not ignore me mircea_popescu
Ukto: 0,o
jcpham: i'll start a smear campaign about something
EskimoBob: DeaDTerra: wtf is James?
Chaang-Noi: ukto a code system wont work
Ukto: regardless
Ukto: a system wont work if nefario wont give out everyones assets
Chaang-Noi: joelcatz or whatever his name is has covered this about 10 times on the forum very well.
Chaang-Noi: yeah
Ukto: he is witholding things unless ppl give him all sorta id's
Chaang-Noi: neferio is just being a cock
Ukto: yes, yes he is
Ukto: however
Ukto: while the code system wont allow ppl to trade offline
Ukto: it would allow the importation of the assets
Ukto: into another system
Chaang-Noi: people have been trading tygrr codes already
Ukto: which is dumb
Ukto: any system woudl be first come first serve
Ukto: on code submission
Ukto: OR
Ukto: they need to contact you
Ukto: and ask you to MAKE new code
Ukto: to give out
Ukto: lol
Ukto: :P
Ukto: thats the ONLY way that could work
Ukto: and i dont think u wanna do that
Chaang-Noi: well... read what joel says about it, anyone with a valid code can just call the aset issuer a scammer
Chaang-Noi: even if it was stolen in the email or hacked or sold...
Ukto: true
Ukto: technically
Ukto: at this point
Ukto: the whole assets setup is "compromised"
Ukto: due to nefario
Ukto: he has however many shares he says he has
Chaang-Noi: yes he could use 1/2 the codes
Ukto: at this point, the issuers and asset holders have no choice but to trust at least the issuers, or get out
Chaang-Noi: anyone trusting nefario the scammer is foolish
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33600 @ 0.00031285 = 10.5118 BTC [+]
Chaang-Noi: ukto i keep talking to you in pm and you dont respond
Ukto: im not getting any msgs
Chaang-Noi: takes me a while to catch on why...
Ukto: your not
Ukto: lol
Ukto: yeah
Ukto: you need to be identified
Ukto: :P
Chaang-Noi: anyway i wish you the best of luck but sadly i have to sleep now.
Chaang-Noi: good night everyone
Ukto: llater
Ukto: Chaang-Noi: I'm gonna need it! :P
Chaang-Noi: im sure you will do fine :)
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5225 @ 0.00031103 = 1.6251 BTC [-]
Ukto: DeaDTerra: did he mention why he wants aml now? after saying it would not be needed a few weeks ago? and waht he will do with the unclaimed assets/btc held?
Ukto: i think he realised his delima with this, and thats why he put a hold on accepting id's
Ukto: i honestly dont think he's "trying" to scam ppl, i think he's just making some bad decisions
rdponticelli: He's not "trying" to scam people, he's ACTUALLY scamming people, been that his willing or not
Ukto: its always all about Point of View. someone can do things for all the rights reaons to them, but to everyone else, it can be the worst actions for the worst reasons. such is mankind
Doffx: I like the idea of just opening the damn site and letting use send our assets to the asset creator with an email or something.
Doffx: However I'm sure the reason he doesn’t do that is because people would also expect to get their btc as well in the account.
Ukto: yeh
Ukto: well
Ukto: he could lock down btc withdraw
Ukto: to only ID'd ppl
Doffx: That's what makes him a scammer
Ukto: at least ppl can claim their assets
Doffx: Its not his BTC to hold on to.
Doffx: The assets are just a note of transaction really, the btc being held up is unacceptable.
Ukto: agreed. thats his own issue to deal with
Ukto: i only suggest the asset as a partial solution
Doffx: Yeah, it would certainly help if he opened that up.
Ukto: most ppl have most of their money invested in the shares
Ukto: not just sitting in their accounts
Doffx: Yeah, I only have .09 btc in the account.
Ukto: i think most ppl would agree to say fuck their holdings, in exchange for tehir btc
Ukto: err
Ukto: fuck the btc, in exchange for their assets
Ukto: which is prolly worth the most of the two
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 400 @ 0.00031285 = 0.1251 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3039 @ 0.0003129 = 0.9509 BTC [+]
Ukto: if he holds back anyones assets, for any reason
Ukto: then the issuer cannot just move on
Ukto: and he is therefore contridicting himself
Ukto: and might as well just shutdown the server
Ukto: and dissapear
Ukto: there was either no forethought, or not enough when he did this
Ukto: unless his intentions are actually to scam ppl
Ukto: he needs to consider carefully what that means
Doffx: I doubt that, he could have done that long ago.
rdponticelli: https://btcst.com/login
rdponticelli: Website still there...
Ukto: if he is having an internal battle over legalities of giving ppl their stuff w/o id, thats a problem he has to bite the bullet on, and move forward doing, because chose to not require id in the first place
Doffx: He got himself in some sort of trouble now that apparent, and if there is any government involvement we know how much worse they make it.
Ukto: if it was govt intervention, the site would just go down
Ukto: and not come back
Ukto: no one would get 'assets' back
Ukto: that would be illegal
Ukto: even if he was given a cease and desist
Doffx: If pirate pays out I could just write Glbse off and still be waaaay ahead.
rdponticelli: Everything looks just like stalling tactics
Ukto: that would not require him to take ppls id's
Ukto: and the govt doesnt want 1,000's of ppl id's
Ukto: to send them all to jail
Ukto: thats not how it works
rdponticelli: But if he really is a fucking, evil scammer, he can do a lot with id
rdponticelli: He can open thousands of glbses on behalf of every sucker who send his id to him
rdponticelli: He can open bank accounts, traverse borders, and who know how many other things
rdponticelli: Imagination is the limit
Ukto: he has to bite the bullet and not require id
Ukto: there is no way it will work
Ukto: w/o a scammer tag
Ukto: and possibly legal issues from holders
Ukto: and govt fraud investigations
smickles: ;;ticker
gribble: Best bid: 11.97002, Best ask: 12, Bid-ask spread: 0.02998, Last trade: 12, 24 hour volume: 29194, 24 hour low: 11.711, 24 hour high: 12.15
smickles: ;;bc,24hprc
gribble: 11.98
rdponticelli: At this point we all should be supposing he's an evil scammer
Ukto: until he proove himself
Ukto: thats what he is
Ukto: and the longer he takes, the longer and stronger the tag will get, regardless of his righting things
rdponticelli: That's right
smickles: Ukto: still chatting about what happened 'yesterday' or is this something new?
rdponticelli: I rated him -1 a couple of days ago
Ukto: smickles: id acceptance is closed
rdponticelli: Now it's a -5
rdponticelli: In a couple of days more, he's getting the -10 if he doesn't show good faith
smickles: ;;rated nefario
gribble: You rated user nefario on Fri Oct 5 17:57:26 2012, giving him a rating of -1, and supplied these additional notes: seems to have broken contracts and screwed over many people for his own ass.
gp5st: anyone here interested in helping write a trading bot? I have a vague idea of financial strategies and am a decent programmer, so I would mainly be looking for someone to advise on financial strategy. Or be able to point me to more information?
Doffx: I cant blame him for saving his own ass.
Ukto: ;;getrating nefario
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. User nefario, rated since Tue Jul 12 19:55:49 2011. Cumulative rating -19, from 15 total ratings. Received ratings: 6 positive, 9 negative. Sent ratings: 2 positive, 0 negative. Details: http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=nefario
smickles: gp5st: i wrote one already,what language are you considering
kakobrekla: 19:07.01 ( Doffx ) I cant blame him for saving his own ass.
Doffx: I wonder how many people here would not tried to save their own ass first haha.
kakobrekla: you cant blame hashking too then
kakobrekla: lol
kakobrekla: and pirate
kakobrekla: jeez
kakobrekla: he is only saving his ass
gp5st: smickles: there are a bunch out there, I kind of wanted to do it as an exercise. I was thinking ruby to start
kakobrekla: cant blame him.
Doffx: It doesn’t make it right
gp5st: smickles: what lang was yours in
Doffx: My point was more, everyone here would most likely save their own ass first.
Ukto: DeaDTerra: but what about those who cant or dont want to provide their id's?
Ukto: amd why wont he just come talk to people
smickles: gp5st: well, actually i wrote one in java and the other in python, python worked out better
Ukto: thats the worst part
Ukto: is that he wont talk to people
smickles: gp5st: so ruby should be fine
gp5st: smickles: how come the python bot worked better?
Ukto: i'm sure
Ukto: he should have throught it through alot more thouughly then just pulling the plug
Doffx: Maybe I used the wrong words.
gp5st: smickles: i thought it would be a fun exercise and an opportunity to learn more about trading in general
Ukto: i agree, screw forums heh
Ukto: but still, if he came here of all places
smickles: gp5st: because java ate memory like nothing else, and the mechanize library in python made things a lot easier, i think ruby has mechanize too
Ukto: and said "hey guys, i am shutting down for legal reasons. and working on a plan"
Ukto: ppl would be alot more understanding
kakobrekla: he is a criminal now
Ukto: now its making him into more of a criminal
Ukto: because it was not handled right
gp5st: smickles: gotchya. it does
Ukto: he does have limited internet, i agree with that
Doffx: Its always the lack of information I hate.
Ukto: yes
Ukto: if he had even spent 5 minutes writing a paragraph on glbse
Doffx: No one knows what the hell is going on.
gp5st: smickles: where did you find various strategies to implement?
Ukto: ppl would have been more willing
kakobrekla: my funds are as good as stolen
Ukto: DeaDTerra: can you blame teh community for treating someone who is acting like a sscammer, as a scammer?
Ukto: the problem is, the website goes offline
kakobrekla: its already happend
Ukto: ppl waited
Ukto: a week
smickles: gp5st: mostly i was reading various financial articles, academic stuff which I found in a university library
Ukto: then he tells ppl to go trhough near impossible hoops
Ukto: and gives no details
gp5st: smickles: yeah, my next step was the libary
smickles: gp5st: then I started coming up with my own ideas based on theose and observed the market closly for some time
Ukto: iwhen i saw glbse went down
Ukto: i went to email nefario to ask if I could help
Ukto: as i have tried to help in the past
Ukto: no response
Ukto: no info
Ukto: on anything
smickles: gp5st: bitcoin's marked is small, so look at analisys of penny stocks in the academic papers, good stuff
Ukto: i think its great that he talked to you
gp5st: smickles: thanks!
Ukto: the problem with that, is he didnt give anything to work with
smickles: gp5st: np
knotwork: gp5st an interesting strategy I would like to have bot try would be keep an average price a given thing has cost so far per unit for what it has of it so far, and buy any it can afford that are cheaper
knotwork: obviously not a really active strategy and likely to buy too soon when price falls so maybe not very good
knotwork: but then could maybe be improved by buyung only with part of its spending-money
knotwork: so it would get to buy little bits at a time as price falls
Ukto: DeaDTerra: death threats or not, he needs to be more open and communative
Ukto: thats te bottom line
Ukto: or it will make things worse
Ukto: hiding, and staying quite wont help him get less threats
Ukto: and be less of a target
knotwork: a defnsive strategy basically, not aggreessive at all
Ukto: quiet
Ukto: even
Ukto: as I said
Ukto: right now
Ukto: he is damned if he does, and damned if he doesnt
Ukto: his lawyer should have told him that
Ukto: he has 2 choices
Doffx: How is he backed in to a corner?
Ukto: possible govt actions
Ukto: aginst him
Doffx: Unless a lawyer is saying dont say a word or something
Ukto: or possible asset holder actions
Ukto: aginst him
Ukto: correct
Doffx: He doesn’t give a flying fuck about the btc community right now I'm sure
Ukto: but he has, he has relayed via you
Ukto: would you not testify in court taht you talked to him?
Doffx: If hes in legal hot water hes looking at saving himself first, this was my point from before.
Ukto: so if they bring ou phone records, you would deny their existance?
knotwork: it also would not "make" money so its purpose would be its who you give your investment budget to, it spends that budget only if doing so results in it got a lower average price for what it bought
Doffx: Do you know that for sure?
Ukto: sore ppl who have 10,000$ invested, who dont trust him with their id's and want to sue him, or open govt fraud investigations on him, is not putting him in legal hot water?
Doffx: If hes not then where the hell is he?
Ukto: or life threatening situations?
knotwork: it would have been slaugtered on GLBSE though as everything just went into free-fall forever unto worthlessness ;)
gp5st: smickles: in your experience what would be a "successful" weekly ROI? 0.1%?
JWU_42: DeaDTerra: agreed...
JWU_42: on your guess
smickles: gp5st: over what time period?
Ukto: DeaDTerra: no lawyer would tell you that a bitcoin X is illegal. they woudl advise aginst it, and tell you that your asking for trouble.
gp5st: smickles: i would probably keep it up for a while. It'll hopefully still be up in a year
Ukto: if you ask a lawyer "is using bitcoins online illegal" they will advise you aginst it, and that it may be illegal, and land you in jail
Ukto: any lawyer
smickles: gp5st: well, on a 1 year time frame, i should hope you get 5%. but anything better than a 10% loss is good
smickles: imo
gp5st: smickles: :-p thanks for the encouragment:)
Ukto: yes
Ukto: there is no presidence
Ukto: DeaDTerra: if you do know him that well, you also know he's super paranoid
Ukto: so a lawyer saying "you are at risk" woudl be enough to cause this
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19377 @ 0.0003129 = 6.0631 BTC [+]
Ukto: doesnt have to be "you are seriously at risk"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2516 @ 0.00031329 = 0.7882 BTC [+]
knotwork: if you ask a lowyer if running a web based business at all is illegal they might well advise that if you have to ask, then maybe it is, and probe as to what exactly about what you plan to do is something you think might be illegal and why
Ukto: right
Ukto: i agree 100% with that
Ukto: and unfortnately depending on the govt you get fucked by gray
Ukto: in the US
Ukto: if its gray
Ukto: they determine that its illegal, and then youg et fucked, w/o a chacne to end it
Ukto: other countries will determine it is illegal, and then demand it stopped
Ukto: some countries
Ukto: will determin illegalness
Ukto: issue a sentance
Ukto: and leave the site up, and not re-visit the legality of it *cough(piratebay)cough*
smickles: how is bitcoin itself legally gray?
Ukto: smickles: depending on your country
Ukto: :)
Ukto: :P
smickles: Ukto: oh yea, probably a no-go in iran or something
Ukto: btw DeaDTerra, mebbe you can tell me. somoene told me the pirate bay owner was 'released' from jail, and its good to go now. but others told me that he 'escaped'? wtf?
Ukto: smickles: defenitly
Ukto: was another guy jailed, and then released?
Ukto: was told one guy only had to do some 1month in jail, cause of the court time, etc
Ukto: and was released
Ukto: (hell, if i coudl do a piratebay, goto jail for 1 month, and then its good to go. that would be epic(
jurov: i got into some reddit discussion: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/118tii/global_bitcoin_stock_exchange_shuts_down_for_good/
jurov: apparently bitcoin magazine has some "internal sources"
jurov: or they had seen glbse shareholder meeting minutes
jurov: i learn new things every day </sarcasm>
Doffx: Ok this made me laugh
Doffx: mpex is a guy trading shares with himself.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27111 @ 0.00031243 = 8.4703 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9303 @ 0.00031212 = 2.9037 BTC [-]
Cylta: ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:e805fee2ec5c5fcf00e1156e189a310ca41f84a038b49e8e0f0b1e97
gribble: You are now authenticated for user Cylta with key 35E361F6B371D52E
Cylta: ;;getrating bramz
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. User bramz, rated since Fri Sep 21 05:49:16 2012. Cumulative rating 3, from 3 total ratings. Received ratings: 3 positive, 0 negative. Sent ratings: 3 positive, 0 negative. Details: http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=bramz
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6175 @ 0.00031103 = 1.9206 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25866 @ 0.0003101 = 8.021 BTC [-]
knotwork: smickles, are you settled in after moving yet?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28100 @ 0.00031155 = 8.7546 BTC [+]
EskimoBob: so, scammer usagi has left the building for good? I bet he has a new username and he is lurking here right now :)
Doffx: Why would he need to do that?
Doffx: Not like he has glbse down, seems silly.
pigeons: maybe he's just putting in overtime at work to repay the two month advance he took to help his assets
jcpham: who took a 2 month advance
Eisenhower34: Has there anything happennd i wasnt aware of? Last I heard was that EskimoBob was the one who deserved that scammer tag for not keeping his word
pigeons: yeah, basically usagi overvalued assets, made backdoor deals, and closed out the collateral fund for his CDO, but who cares now right
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33037 @ 0.00031152 = 10.2917 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5086 @ 0.00031155 = 1.5845 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20977 @ 0.00031208 = 6.5465 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: http://i.imgur.com/Q4P0S.jpg
kakobrekla: i can see the usefulness.
kakobrekla: patrick, is that you? http://i.imgur.com/stFPN.jpg
EskimoBob: Eisenhower34: I think there was 2 or 3 threads demanding a scammer tag for usagi. Exchange went belly up and he was home free. Now he is gone.
EskimoBob: pufff.... as expected
EskimoBob: he hated me with passion :) because I understood how full of shit he is and did not keep my mouth shut about it. fkn scumbag and a liar he is
smickles: knotwork: not quite, the majority of our stuff is arranged to be delivered on the 14th
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15223 @ 0.00031208 = 4.7508 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24335 @ 0.00031329 = 7.6239 BTC [+]
smickles: knotwork: but i am navigating the red tape in starting up my accounting company
smickles: *may well call it a bitcoin accounting company
WormDrink: Hi
WormDrink: I want to invest some of my money in shares - kinda noob - looking for good online trading platforms
WormDrink: this might not be the best place to ask
EskimoBob: sure it is WormDrink
rdponticelli: WormDrink: This might not be the best moment to ask :)
WormDrink: yeah that too
EskimoBob: timing is bad, place is right
WormDrink: cool
EskimoBob: WormDrink: did you read about Open Transactions?
rdponticelli: Where is kakobrekla to say: read the f**** topic?
WormDrink: EskimoBob, no
WormDrink: I did not
EskimoBob: rdponticelli: jerking of to polish porn
rdponticelli: Yeah, Open Transactions is the future
rdponticelli: But it still doesn't have a lot of thing to invest in
rdponticelli: And at this point is kind of hard to setup for a noob...
BTC-Mining: there's nothing to invest in with Open Transactions yet, no?
jcpham: developer time
jcpham: invest knowledge and time in OT
WormDrink: rdponticelli, noob @ shares - not anything else really
rdponticelli: I think that knotwork has some contracts for cryptocurrencies on his server...
WormDrink: but good to know
WormDrink: looks intresting
rdponticelli: Yeah, it's really interesting
rdponticelli: Really worth investing in it
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11060 @ 0.00031329 = 3.465 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42914 @ 0.00031352 = 13.4544 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13426 @ 0.00031355 = 4.2097 BTC [+]
smickles: sweet, I got one step done
smickles: the domain i wanted was available
smickles: smickles.com
BTC-Mining: eh
smickles: eh?
jurov: smickles, what u plan?
smickles: I will provide accounting related professional services in exchange for bitcoin
smickles: I'll operate out of tucson, AZ as a registered llc
BTC-Mining: sounds excellent
smickles: as soon as I confirm the total fees which i'll need to pay for licensing and registration, i'll sell some btc for ust too
chmod755: ;;title smickles.com
gribble: Hover
smickles: chmod755: what can i say, i liked tucows back in the day
knotwork: <BTC-Mining> there's nothing to invest in with Open Transactions yet, no? --> http://galaxies.mygamesonline.org/digitalisassets.html
smickles: chmod755: also, I need to contract a webdev sometime shortly
BTC-Mining: what are those "shares" exactly?
knotwork: typically one millionth of the total assets of the corp
knotwork: the value is determined by the script by adding up all that corp's assets and dividing by number (typically a million) of shares
knotwork: of course for e.g. bitcoins there are no known assets to divide by 21,000,000 to determine value per bitcoin :)
knotwork: however for CDN, UKB, MBC, NKL, GMC, GRF, UNS, GZB one can indeed treat them like shares as those nations/corps do own assets
knotwork: basically add up the national reserves the nation has with which to back their currency to see how much to value their currency
knotwork: s/GZB/CZB/
jcpham: i love it smickles
smickles: thanks jcpham :) I hope to be up and running soon
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 72100 @ 0.00031093 = 22.4181 BTC [-]
Doffx: smickles.com cool
chmod755: ;;web fetch smickles.com
gribble: Error: 'smickles.com' is not a valid url.
chmod755: ;;web fetch http://smickles.com
gribble: '<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Transitional//EN"\n "http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-transitional.dtd">\n<html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml" xml:lang="en" lang="en">\n<head>\n<title>Hover</title>\n<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8" />\n<meta http-equiv="X-UA-Compatible" content="IE=EmulateIE7" />\n<meta http-equiv="CACHE-CONTROL" (11 more messages)
Doffx: can I just hand over all my btc smickles since I am clearly not making wise decisions?
chmod755: Doffx, yes
Doffx: hehe
chmod755: Doffx, you can also give your coins to me if you want
Doffx: No thanks I was hoping to get more returned than I put in.
Doffx: Although at this point its not really worked out that way.
chmod755: i'd invest them to buy a scammer tag so i'm officially allowed to run a ponzi
chmod755: jk
Doffx: I didnt know that was a requirement to run one.
rdponticelli: Doffx: In bitcoinland you're doing good if you get back something at all
Doffx: I see that now.
Doffx: I did find a really good place to put my coins lately.
rdponticelli: And the scammer tag is just the prize they gave you when your ponzi has been a success
Eisenhower34: in regards to the past 3 months... there havent been a good place to put your coins in in the last 3 months....
Doffx: Yes there has.
Eisenhower34: which won? pirate? obsi? hashking?
Doffx: If you kept them in your bitcoin wallet its a great placce.
Doffx: :)
rdponticelli: I'm afraid about what Doffx is about to say
Eisenhower34: usagi? any mining bond?
chmod755: Eisenhower34, alpaca socks
Eisenhower34: ^^
Eisenhower34: always a good investment in fall :)
chmod755: just a few weeks and it's winter in the northern hemisphere
Doffx: I have all 20 coins that didnt leave my wallet.
chmod755: value of socks goes up
chmod755: lol
jcpham: i'm up to like 4 bitcoins now
Eisenhower34: guyys you are rich ....
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3546 @ 0.00031093 = 1.1026 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40400 @ 0.00031066 = 12.5507 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9654 @ 0.00031028 = 2.9954 BTC [-]
jcpham: gettin mad paid
Eisenhower34: why are those even allowed to talk in here? riight we dont have ay regulations for that :P
pigeons: http://szabo.best.vwh.net/jointstock.html
chmod755: 20 coins = rich?
jcpham: super rich
Eisenhower34: icredible mega rich!
chmod755: YAY I'M RICH
Eisenhower34: i sold all of those remaining coins atm
chmod755: i have billions of satoshis
jcpham: billions?
chmod755: wait...
BTC-Mining: I got hundred billions of em damn satoshis
chmod755: fuck you Bit Gates
BTC-Mining: I'm aiming for the 10 trillion (100 000 BTC) satoshis mark
BTC-Mining: 1/210th of all bitcoins
chmod755: BTC-Mining, you don't need 100k BTC
BTC-Mining: Blasphemy!
chmod755: /join #OccupyBTC-Mining
BTC-Mining: Argh, virtual militia! They're squatting my interwebs! Look at their pixely signs!
BTC-Mining: There's even a few violent ones corrupting my bits!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39194 @ 0.00031355 = 12.2893 BTC [+]
jcpham: http://fudr.us/
jcpham: don't know what it is
jcpham: can't answer any question about it