assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 5 @ 0.1099 = 0.5495 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BITBOND] 1 @ 0.21 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [MMM] 3 @ 0.59 = 1.77 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [YABMC] 3 @ 0.07065001 = 0.212 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [YABMC] 1 @ 0.07065 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: [Local Rules : Anyone can post in this thread, even people who are confused over their gender, can't do basic math, view failure as doing well and in general lack any idea of how to run a business]
assbot: [GLBSE] [YABMC] 25 @ 0.0706 = 1.765 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [YABMC] 1 @ 0.06802 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [YABMC] 19 @ 0.068 = 1.292 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [YABMC] 1 @ 0.06412 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [YABMC] 2 @ 0.06404 = 0.1281 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [YABMC] 2 @ 0.06402 = 0.128 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [YABMC] 1 @ 0.06381 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [YABMC] 1 @ 0.06379 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [YABMC] 1 @ 0.06377 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [YABMC] 5 @ 0.06202 = 0.3101 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [YABMC] 2 @ 0.062003 = 0.124 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [YABMC] 23 @ 0.062 = 1.426 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [YABMC] 1 @ 0.06199999 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [YABMC] 4 @ 0.06132 = 0.2453 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [YABMC] 20 @ 0.0613 = 1.226 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [YABMC] 1 @ 0.061201 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [YABMC] 20 @ 0.06112 = 1.2224 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [YABMC] 67 @ 0.0611 = 4.0937 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 74 @ 0.1099 = 8.1326 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 4100 @ 0.00045477 = 1.8646 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BTCS] 100 @ 0.01 = 1 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 36 @ 0.11 = 3.96 BTC [+]
gribble: Best bid: 12.9001, Best ask: 12.95, Bid-ask spread: 0.04990, Last trade: 12.95, 24 hour volume: 33803, 24 hour low: 12.661, 24 hour high: 12.989
assbot: [GLBSE] [BITBOND] 8 @ 0.21089997 = 1.6872 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C100T] 1000 @ 0.3369956 = 336.9956 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C090T] 700 @ 0.40587623 = 284.1134 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [JAH] 10 @ 0.11 = 1.1 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C080T] 250 @ 0.48215323 = 120.5383 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [JAH] 5 @ 0.10001 = 0.5001 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [JAH] 64 @ 0.100001 = 6.4001 BTC [-]
OneEyed: Yes. Bitcoin could replace it, that's why I shared this
mircea_popescu: i mean gold. one day someone finds a three by four by five kilometer gold rock under a sea somewhere and that's that.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13700 @ 0.00036152 = 4.9528 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11722 @ 0.00036159 = 4.2386 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [LOTTOMINING] 20 @ 0.25 = 5 BTC
assbot: [GLBSE] [LOTTOMINING] 1 @ 0.25 BTC
assbot: [GLBSE] [BITBOND] 1 @ 0.21089997 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 5 @ 0.00339 = 0.017 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 50 @ 0.00339 = 0.1695 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 12 @ 0.00339 = 0.0407 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [YABMC] 2 @ 0.07699989 = 0.154 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18717 @ 0.00036048 = 6.7471 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14478 @ 0.00035922 = 5.2008 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BVPS] 1000 @ 0.0034007 = 3.4007 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BVPS] 7500 @ 0.0034007 = 25.5053 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BITBOND] 2 @ 0.21089998 = 0.4218 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BITBOND] 1 @ 0.21089999 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BITBOND] 1 @ 0.2163 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [MERGEDMINING] 5 @ 0.05 = 0.25 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BBBB] 1 @ 0.00016 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BMMO] 5 @ 0.05 = 0.25 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [NASTY] 1 @ 0.4525006 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [NASTY] 8 @ 0.45250059 = 3.62 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [NASTY] 1 @ 0.45240059 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 2 @ 0.56619996 = 1.1324 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BITBOND] 5 @ 0.21089997 = 1.0545 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [NASTY] 4 @ 0.45250061 = 1.81 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [007] 4 @ 0.081 = 0.324 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [007] 10 @ 0.0808 = 0.808 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [007] 7 @ 0.08051 = 0.5636 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [DMC] 1 @ 0.0748899 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [FPGA.CONTRACT] 1 @ 0.06945 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [FPGA.CONTRACT] 2 @ 0.0695 = 0.139 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [FPGA.CONTRACT] 2 @ 0.0699 = 0.1398 BTC [+]
gribble: nefario was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 week, 2 days, 2 hours, 50 minutes, and 37 seconds ago: <nefario> Those assets are not listed or traded anymore
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla it's a funny usagi post where he says "milk is scammer"
Diablo-D3: you are now reading everything I say in Heavy's voice.
Diablo-D3: too bad, I imagine I broke a lot of people's brains
mircea_popescu: you know most people with a degree don't verbalise what they read
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 2157 @ 0.00045477 = 0.9809 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 472 @ 0.00045477 = 0.2147 BTC [+]
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: its the meme effect
Diablo-D3: GOOD NEWS EVERYONE! I INVENTED A MACHINE THAT MAKES YOU READ THIS IN MY VOICE!
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 36 @ 0.1091 = 3.9276 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 64 @ 0.109 = 6.976 BTC [-]
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: No, I pretty much sound like you'd think Satan would sound like.
Diablo-D3: nope, I'm more like a white samuel l jackson
Diablo-D3: kakobrekla: no, dont have a cell phone at all
mircea_popescu: "let's give people arbitrary numbers of currency they can spend, this way they are invested"
Diablo-D3: holy fuck its in my brain killing my brain cells
mircea_popescu: "unlike the evil bitcoin people, who aren't invested, even tho they work for it and can spend it"
Diablo-D3: [07:01:59] <mircea_popescu> "let's give people arbitrary numbers of currency they can spend, this way they are invested"
Diablo-D3: isnt that basically the federal reserve way of banking?
assbot: [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 67 @ 0.003205 = 0.2147 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 50 @ 0.003201 = 0.1601 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 343 @ 0.0032 = 1.0976 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GOLD] 1 @ 0.00999 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [PLATINUM] 3 @ 0.00999998 = 0.03 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 5540 @ 0.00045476 = 2.5194 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [SILVER] 20 @ 0.00999999 = 0.2 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GOLD] 20 @ 0.00999999 = 0.2 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [CBGB] 6 @ 0.48 = 2.88 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [RAREEARTH] 20 @ 0.01 = 0.2 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [PLATINUM] 20 @ 0.00999999 = 0.2 BTC [+]
smickles: and i'd just like to point out that it ipo'd at .1 and will buy back all shares at 1.29ish. with dividends all along the way, I believe it was quite possibly the best thing on GLBSE
mircea_popescu: lol peopel didn't really invest a lot in the good stuff, did they.
BTC-Mining: So... I'll have to do all the passthroughs on GLBSE now?
assbot: [GLBSE] [LOTTOMINING] 1 @ 0.25 BTC
assbot: [GLBSE] [MPOE.ETF] 1 @ 0.99999999 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [MPOE.ETF] 2 @ 1 = 2 BTC [+]
smickles: jees, not to mention the usd/btc rate went up ~150% during its operation
assbot: [GLBSE] [MPOE.ETF] 1 @ 1 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [CPA] 1 @ 0.019 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [CPA] 5 @ 0.017 = 0.085 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [CPA] 9 @ 0.01502 = 0.1352 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [CPA] 9 @ 0.01404 = 0.1264 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [CPA] 36 @ 0.014 = 0.504 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [MPOE.ETF] 1 @ 1 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [MPOE.ETF] 1 @ 1 BTC [+]
Diablo-D3: smickles, mircea_popescu: I think the problem is this
smickles: mircea_popescu: i'm about to request the withdrawal from mpex to glbse, so the wall will be up in due course ;)
smickles: i'll start as soon as the funds gets there
smickles: so judging from mircea_popescu's last statement, never
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33700 @ 0.00036132 = 12.1765 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32300 @ 0.00036159 = 11.6794 BTC [+]
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: thats not even funny dude
assbot: [GLBSE] [MPOE.ETF] 21 @ 1 = 21 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [MPOE.ETF] 3 @ 1.2 = 3.6 BTC [+]
smickles: damn, if i had no ethics, those woul've been mine
Ignatius-otc: seemed like a smart move, too bad about that code only thing;)
smickles: anyway, glbse gave me a badass deposit addy
smickles: 1Birt5ACuc72jCa4FmwSazyn6jBhvrEHvR
mircea_popescu: smickles : stop libeling my exchange or else you will be banned!
markac: "Defamation—also called calumny, vilification, traducement, slander (for transitory statements), and libel (for written, broadcast, or otherwise published words)—is the communication of a statement that makes a claim, expressly stated or implied to be factual, that [...]" -
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slander BTC-Mining: I don't have much ethics I guess then. I buy my own issue when I see orders too low.
smickles: BTC-Mining: it's only bad if you do it with non-public knowledge in mind
BTC-Mining: Although... I operated a fixed interest loan, and BTC-MINING for which nothing ever happens.
smickles: so buying below a known book value is a-ok
mircea_popescu: smickles your book values were pretty well established
BTC-Mining: Wait, was the 1.29ish purchase announced on the forum already?
smickles: but it's proper to wait a significant amount of time
BTC-Mining: Great. Unfortunatly you'd probably have to wait a bit to buy. Not instantly.
smickles: and i've secretly known about it since the 1st
assbot: [GLBSE:MPOE.ETF] [Bid: 0.50000001] [Ask: 1.26383449] [Spread: 0.76383448] [Last: 1.2] [24hVol: 30.59999999] [7dAvg: 1.02857142]
BTC-Mining: Because if you announce something then buy 5 seconds afterward, nobody saw the news
smickles: i could've had bids in based of of the previous month's financials
smickles: well, in my defense, i was otherwise occupied
smickles: oh, mircea_popescu it's not going to be a 1k wall because there's about 650 shares of treasure stock atm
assbot: [GLBSE] [BITBOND] 1 @ 0.2 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [FZB.A] 5 @ 0.02 = 0.1 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5300 @ 0.00036051 = 1.9107 BTC [-]
smickles: mircea_popescu: you got it a bit backwards
smickles: 650ish shares of _treasury_ stock (the stuff that doesn't get bought back b/c it's already in company hands)
mircea_popescu: "Usagi should be viewed as a case study regarding what happens when a person with nearly zero knowledge of finance and business tries to manage a venture"
assbot: [GLBSE:COGNITIVE] [Bid: 0.5751] [Ask: 0.57915996] [Spread: 0.00405996] [Last: 0.57979] [24hVol: 20.02079491] [7dAvg: 0.4837692]
smickles: kakobrekla: how is your forex thing going? did you launch yet?
smickles: well, when I read what you planned to do, it was a little confusing
kakobrekla: as for self fail i was thinking about this
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 10 @ 0.0099879 = 0.0999 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 6 @ 0.009988 = 0.0599 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 30 @ 0.00999 = 0.2997 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 100 @ 0.01 = 1 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: smickles well is it clear now or still confusing?
smickles: kakobrekla: i think i get it, but I wouldn't say I'm confident in my understanding.
smickles: for one thing, i've never traded traditional forex before, so that's one degree of separation ;)
dub: GIPPT was a hilariously bad name for an asset
dub: Invest and get GYPPED
dub: chinese antique dealer stole
dub: but I talk to him and he pay back
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6905 @ 0.00036159 = 2.4968 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16961 @ 0.00036238 = 6.1463 BTC [+]
assbot: Requesting data from GLBSE (might take a while, also might return fishy results as it does not account for splits etc).
assbot: MPOE.ETF [1@0.1BTC] paid: 0.02470282 BTC. Last price: 1.2 BTC. Capital gain: 1.1 BTC. Total: 1.12470282 BTC. (1124.7%)
gribble: Error: "bc,balance" is not a valid command.
gribble: Error: "bc,imbalance" is not a valid command.
smickles: apparantly, my word is worth .999999992088 bitcents on the coin
smickles: i wonder why someone would sell at a satoshi less than the buyback price
BTC-Mining: because a satoshi is worth the delay time?
smickles: so what's the average amount of confirms to get funds to show in glbse?
gribble: Nefario was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 week, 2 days, 4 hours, 46 minutes, and 37 seconds ago: <nefario> Those assets are not listed or traded anymore
gribble: Error: There's really no reason why you should have underscores or brackets in your mathematical expression. Please remove them.
smickles: ah, fees, i forgot about those
BTC-Mining: Well you said 1.29ish, not 1.29, so...
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 36 @ 0.1091 = 3.9276 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 64 @ 0.109 = 6.976 BTC [-]
smickles: BTC-Mining: i specified 1.2638345 in the forum post
BTC-Mining: Explains why there's offers at the price
smickles: and someone is asking for literally 1 satoshi less
gribble: Time since last block: 13 minutes and 37 seconds
BTC-Mining: 1 satoshi is always a good price to pay to remove delays
assbot: [GLBSE] [BBBB] 28 @ 0.00016 = 0.0045 BTC [+]
dub: I'll be like 'remember when I bought DMC stock for 1 satoshi!'
dub: of course DMC will by the AAPL of 12834AD
assbot: [GLBSE] [BITBOND] 1 @ 0.19 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BITBOND] 5 @ 0.19 = 0.95 BTC [-]
BTC-Mining: There's the wednesday freeroll on Sealswithclub. Almost forgot it.
assbot: [GLBSE] [ARS] 10 @ 0.0145 = 0.145 BTC [-]
BTC-Mining: It was 0.02 if I lose, and you give me 2 if I won first place.
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 6400 @ 0.00045474 = 2.9103 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26563 @ 0.00036051 = 9.5762 BTC [-]
BTC-Mining: When they are 11 million as you say, remember when I paid you 220 000 USD
dub: rule 34 on michelle and ann tbh
assbot: [GLBSE] [MPOE.ETF] 48 @ 1.26383449 = 60.6641 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [MPOE.ETF] 192 @ 1.2638345 = 242.6562 BTC [+]
BTC-Mining: 11 million dollars x 21 million BTC = 231 trillion dollars
dub: obama and romneys wife
BTC-Mining: at the price smickles is going to buy them back?
rdponticelli: Probably somebody who saw people buying, and bet on a rally?
rdponticelli: And who obviously doesn't know about the buyback...
smickles: "I will place a bid to fulfill this end as soon as I have moved funds into the account on GLBSE."
assbot: [GLBSE] [MPOE.ETF] 1 @ 1.25039734 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [MPOE.ETF] 69 @ 1.25039733 = 86.2774 BTC [-]
rdponticelli: smickles: So you're not buying back but placing a bidwall?
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 12 @ 0.56558994 = 6.7871 BTC [-]
smickles: rdponticelli: it's the way nefario has us do it
assbot: [GLBSE:MPOE.ETF] [Bid: 1.25039733] [Ask: 1.89999999] [Spread: 0.64960266] [Last: 1.25039733] [24hVol: 421.44809262] [7dAvg: 1.11167851]
mircea_popescu: i don't understand. how can it trade at 1.25 if you have wall at 1.26 ?!
mircea_popescu: <assbot> [GLBSE] [MPOE.ETF] 69 @ 1.25039733 = 86.2774 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [MPOE.ETF] 21 @ 1.2638345 = 26.5405 BTC [+]
smickles: it was nice while it lasted :) :(
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31400 @ 0.00035922 = 11.2795 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34776 @ 0.00035919 = 12.4912 BTC [-]
assbot: Requesting data from GLBSE (might take a while, also might return fishy results as it does not account for splits etc).
assbot: MPOE.ETF [1@0.1BTC] paid: 0.02470282 BTC. Last price: 1.2638345 BTC. Capital gain: 1.1638345 BTC. Total: 1.18853732 BTC. (1188.5%)
assbot: Requesting data from GLBSE (might take a while, also might return fishy results as it does not account for splits etc).
smickles: mircea_popescu: i found it to be quite nice. I liked accounting for it :)
assbot: SS [1@0.1BTC] paid: 0.59075039 BTC. Last price: 0.0111 BTC. Capital gain: -0.0889 BTC. Total: 0.50185039 BTC. (501.9%)
smickles: SS? well, !pl won't work for ss
smickles: also, i'm basically just the accountant for SS
assbot: [GLBSE] [LOTTOMINING] 10 @ 0.25 = 2.5 BTC
assbot: [GLBSE] [LOTTOMINING] 100 @ 0.25 = 25 BTC
assbot: [GLBSE] [MPOE.ETF] 25 @ 1.2638345 = 31.5959 BTC [+]
BTC-Mining: I was the one who bought the pack at of ETF at 1 BTC each
BTC-Mining: yeah, I had nothing in hand and was cancelling bids during that time
BTC-Mining: I'm getting good money from everyone running out =/
rdponticelli: But when I got out of a stock, I take out the btc
BTC-Mining: eh, and I probably have too much exposure
BTC-Mining: Only reason I don't run funds by the way is that would interfere with my personal portfolio and I don't want to keep track to not cross-trade.
BTC-Mining: I'll have to pick up MPEx assets passthroughs
assbot: [GLBSE] [NASTY] 2 @ 0.49979956 = 0.9996 BTC [+]
smickles: mircea_popescu: based on the last price, ss would be a 75.891883% gain when you include dividend payments
kakobrekla: so i hacked opera magic wand with javascript
mircea_popescu: lol kakobrekla you know who i do this to all the time ?
rdponticelli: So you stole the password to your password manager, not to you
BTC-Mining: what's up with people complaining GLBSE/SEC all the time?
BTC-Mining: SEC was never interested in GLBSE directly
BTC-Mining: People fear the governments... governments fear people...
smickles: mircea_popescu: no competition? s2cm ate bad debt via pirate and still gives its shareholders a gain. I'd say that's an epic win
assbot: [GLBSE] [HYDRO.BONDS] 1 @ 1.3322 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [HYDRO.BONDS] 3 @ 1.332191 = 3.9966 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [HYDRO.BONDS] 1 @ 1.33219 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [HYDRO.BONDS] 1 @ 1.33009 BTC [-]
BTC-Mining: Why do you think governments keep doing stuff short-term with poor long-term benefits? Because all those damned politicians are interested in their career and current popularity, not what will be achieved in a few decades.
assbot: [GLBSE] [LOTTOMINING] 25 @ 0.25 = 6.25 BTC
BTC-Mining: It's an annoying tendency, parties want to do thing bringing them instant recognition
mircea_popescu: smickles i meant ss's <100% is no competition for mpoe.etf's 1188% as "highest return thibng"
assbot: [GLBSE] [LOTTOMINING] 350 @ 0.25 = 87.5 BTC
smickles: rdponticelli: you know what smickles means, don't you?
markac: mircea_popescu: "smickles" (de to en, translate.google.com)
markac: 1) To be really good. 2) As replacement to okay or great. Note: Usually said with half-hearted meaning or sarcasm OR with little or no interest in the subject of the conversation.A type of happy-go-l
rdponticelli: smickles: so you also deserve the trophy to humility
smickles: and it's a nickname which I gave myself in 1992
BTC-Mining: But as long as they actually buy the tickets...
smickles: so rdponticelli, I came up with the term before it had a meaning
assbot: [GLBSE] [NASTY] 1 @ 0.42110024 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [NASTY] 2 @ 0.42110023 = 0.8422 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [NASTY] 1 @ 0.4211002 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [NASTY] 9 @ 0.42110003 = 3.7899 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [NASTY] 1 @ 0.42110002 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [NASTY] 35 @ 0.421 = 14.735 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [NASTY] 1 @ 0.4002 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [NASTY] 1 @ 0.39983965 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [NASTY] 370 @ 0.391 = 144.67 BTC [-]
rdponticelli: smickles: Maybe it got the meaning after you ;)
smickles: BTC-Mining: also, that sort of operation has been deemed illegal, even in the country where they buy the tickets
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 3263 @ 0.00045475 = 1.4838 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 300 @ 0.00045475 = 0.1364 BTC [+]
gribble: Best bid: 12.8903, Best ask: 12.9899, Bid-ask spread: 0.09960, Last trade: 12.89, 24 hour volume: 31354, 24 hour low: 12.7, 24 hour high: 12.99
assbot: [GLBSE] [ARS] 215 @ 0.0145 = 3.1175 BTC [-]
BTC-Mining: By the way BitcoinBear, about your thread of what's worth investing in.
dub: 'bama looks like he's getting ready to rip asshole
BTC-Mining: You took a look at BTC-MINING/BTC-BOND?
dub: can see the killer stare
assbot: [GLBSE] [ARS] 142 @ 0.0144 = 2.0448 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ARS] 150 @ 0.0143 = 2.145 BTC [-]
BTC-Mining: Have you seen the contract on BTC-BOND and the holdings report?
assbot: [GLBSE] [ARS] 255 @ 0.0142 = 3.621 BTC [-]
BTC-Mining: oh damn, I see why LOTTOMINING is still getting so much people in.
BTC-Mining: I hope the thread was made in the gambling section tho...
BTC-Mining: GLBSE is really free-for-all... Investment or not...
asa1024: why not just have a trash can on the desk top and you can drag your bit coin wallet to the trash can and empty it?>
mircea_popescu: onyl lists quality assets that are in clear violation of laws in all countries involved.
BitcoinBear: ack, GLBSE running very slow for me today :(
BTC-Mining: Actually, GLBSE will be split. Assets respecting regulations will be on GLBSE.
BTC-Mining: Those other assets will go to a black market
BTC-Mining: GLBSE will move toward more MPEx like standards, rest will be moved out.
BTC-Mining: Black market might look like the current GLBSE, idk...
smickles: lol, assets respecting regs will stay on GLBSE?
BitcoinBear: they set up the different colors, but everything is still in pink
smickles: you don't know the regs in 'merica
Chaang-Noi: what real company would list on glbse?
smickles: none right now (if they have a lawyer)
smickles: what countries don't have securities regulations?
BitcoinBear: who is it that is always outbidding me by 1 satoshi? It is obnoxious!
BTC-Mining: smickles, american regulations don't matter much if it's a UK market and regulated as per UK laws... americans on GLBSE would be trading on a foreign market.
BTC-Mining: I'm not sure how it would work exactly.
BitcoinBear: It is especially bad when GLBSE is running slow, going through all those page turns just to move an order up a tiny bit to outbid them >:(
BTC-Mining: But probably involve registering each asset as a free trading one and involve a quite a bit more paperwork from everyone. And GLBSE would act as a broker for those.
BTC-Mining: More than a full fledged stock market.
mircea_popescu: <BTC-Mining> GLBSE will move toward more MPEx like standards, << this can't hurt anything
BTC-Mining: We still need some kind of "black, free for all markets". No wrong in lack of regulations.
BTC-Mining: We really need serious exchanges/brokers
mircea_popescu: it's not black in the sense it doesn't allow listing of shit. it's black i nthe sense it really doesn't care who calls himself "government"
BitcoinBear: MP you have a plural knowledgebase? usually it is afaik, right?
BTC-Mining: Indeed. Although it's not free for all. Highling requiring for quality assets only.
BTC-Mining: So black market, but not free to everyone to issue anything.
assbot: [GLBSE] [LOTTOMINING] 25 @ 0.25 = 6.25 BTC
assbot: [GLBSE] [MPOE.ETF] 1 @ 1.2638345 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 8 @ 0.11 = 0.88 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [LOTTOMINING] 25 @ 0.25 = 6.25 BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1300 @ 0.00035925 = 0.467 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BTC-BOND] 1 @ 0.00989 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BTC-MINING] 1 @ 0.9718 BTC [+]
BTC-Mining: So, had a look at contract and spreadsheet for BTC-BOND, BitcoinBear?
BitcoinBear: I'm still waiting for the page to load, stupid slow glbse mumble muble mppff
assbot: [GLBSE] [COGNITIVE] 3 @ 0.5751 = 1.7253 BTC [-]
BitcoinBear: Ok, I admit, I think I just missed BTC-Bond when I was going through all the assets trying to find anything. Looks pretty good.
BitcoinBear: BTC-Mining how actively do you trade the assets?
BitcoinBear: not pay much? it is still a better return than my credit card gets from me!
BitcoinBear: and why is the price below the listed price? just the recent selloff of people leaving glbse?
assbot: [GLBSE] [LOTTOMINING] 5 @ 0.25 = 1.25 BTC
BTC-Mining: I started with 1900$ around around April/May for ~400 BTC and then in end June/August, purchased for 5500 for ~ 500 BTC.
BTC-Mining: I those few months, you can see my personal portfolio went from ~900 BTC to ~1500.
BTC-Mining: That's around 2-5% per week depending on the week.
BitcoinBear: In the spreadsheet, why is MPOE.ETF listed as a 0 value? just because it has not been traded in a while?
BTC-Mining: and there had been no trades in the last 5 days
BitcoinBear: we just saw one a minute ago, so that should update at some point.
BTC-Mining: because the API tool often inserts Errors because GLBSE api times out.
BTC-Mining: Screws up the whole totals and percent when a cell fills with "error"
smickles: BitcoinBear: mpoe.etf is winding down, you know
assbot: [GLBSE] [LOTTOMINING] 50 @ 0.25 = 12.5 BTC
assbot: [GLBSE] [LOTTOMINING] 50 @ 0.25 = 12.5 BTC
BitcoinBear: is it just MPOE.ETF, or also the underlying asset of MPEx?
BTC-Mining: Especially since they make around 5% of profits from funds/passthrough they manage.
BTC-Mining: Especially if you manage a 500 BTC fund which earn 1-2 % (5-10 BTC weekly), then get 5% of that (0.25 to 0.5 BTC weekly)
BTC-Mining: What's the incentive to be there, trading daily?
mircea_popescu: not even sure its a problem. this isn;'t the thing should be done "for fun"
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 537 @ 0.00045475 = 0.2442 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 3700 @ 0.00045475 = 1.6826 BTC [+]
BTC-Mining: I mean, you don't manage a fund just for the fun of it...
BTC-Mining: That's what I was referring to as a major problem.
BitcoinBear: right, you could do some invsting on your own for fun, but taking other peoples money to play with is a bad idea
assbot: [GLBSE] [SYNERGY] 2 @ 0.12 = 0.24 BTC [+]
smickles: I did it because there was a market opportunity. and I structured it in a way that the workload was minimal
smickles: mostly, i had buys in to catch the dips which went much further than they should've
smickles: if there were more funds to work with, i would've been able to do it more efficiently
BTC-Mining: I started with 400 BTC (2k USD) for the fun of it. When I found trading profit was good, I placed more and started taking loans at a small rate, putting my portfolio in front of it to protect against loss of lent funds.
rg: but i forgot to pay some money
rg: so in eed to pay extra
rg: i can just do the same dividend
rg: but with the extra div
rg: that's terribly explained
rg: i can just do a dividend with the missing amount?
rg: my p&l is in a leafpad session
rg: almost ready to be copy/pasted
rg: i wnat to finish the new bitvps site
mircea_popescu: "At the moment, we don't see the virtual currency market as a good
rg: no i dont wnna do that
mircea_popescu: you say this is owed, we paid this much, paying rest next month cause dongs.
rg: all they'd have to do is create an anonymous entity
rg: and keep it away from their real business
rg: can you take 23 BTC out of my account
rg: and hold it in your account
rg: until its time for next divs?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2088 @ 0.00035759 = 0.7466 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37878 @ 0.00035741 = 13.538 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15700 @ 0.0003573 = 5.6096 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2034 @ 0.00035729 = 0.7267 BTC [-]
rg: ill spend it on shares
rg: ;;calc 175000 * 0.00035729
rg: ;;calc 175000 * 0.00042001
assbot: [GLBSE] [YABMC] 4 @ 0.07689999 = 0.3076 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BDK.BND] 200 @ 0.04 = 8 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [NASTY] 1 @ 0.44 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [NASTY] 1 @ 0.43 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [DMC] 15 @ 0.0666 = 0.999 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13400 @ 0.00035729 = 4.7877 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [NASTY] 1 @ 0.44889676 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [FDBF] 1 @ 0.1499 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 1 @ 0.01028 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 2 @ 0.109 = 0.218 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [YABMC] 2 @ 0.0769 = 0.1538 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [RSM] 9 @ 0.295 = 2.655 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P100T] 9 @ 0.07007253 = 0.6307 BTC [+]
jcpham: if you can't trust a guy named nefario, who can you trust?
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 2900 @ 0.00045475 = 1.3188 BTC [-]
rg: want to do me a favor/
rg: can you hold onto 20 BTC for me
smickles: mind if I ask why you can't hold onto it?
rg: lol well you can pay me interest if you want
rg: its a weird sex thing, you dont want to know
smickles: alright, lemme gen an addy for you
gribble: Best bid: 12.92012, Best ask: 12.998, Bid-ask spread: 0.07788, Last trade: 12.998, 24 hour volume: 30051, 24 hour low: 12.7025, 24 hour high: 13.01
rg: i can just ask imsaguy
rg: imsaguy is always down to hold onto fnuds
rg: he's like a pirateat40 who doesn't scam you
smickles: loldude, < smickles> alright, lemme gen an addy for you
rg: im trying to scam smickles right now
rg: but hes making it har
rg: im gonna send him 20 btc
rg: then tell him i sent him 25 btc
imsaguy2: mircea_popescu: you pay interest?!
imsaguy2: are we making a perpetual annuity?
rg: are you paying interest again mircea?!
rg: i dont want that shit
rg: im a very simple man mircea
mircea_popescu: actually mpcd would be ideal for mpex companies seeing how it pays on the 1st
rg: i liked it the way it was before
rg: mircea says that he cant figure out how to do interest anymroe
rg: and started keeping the %
rg: i want my .5 btc/day you arse face
rg: mircea_popescu: only for the past 5 months
mircea_popescu: rg srsly, if you had 20 btc in mpcd.A it'd have paid you .4 on the 1st
rg: but i dont understand that shit
rg: and i dont wanna know
rg: i liked it when i didn't have to do anything
rg: and it just paid me every day
rg: and i would be like oo
mircea_popescu: i'd very much want to hear what maged has to say now to turn it into a "misunderstanding"
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 14 @ 0.56509999 = 7.9114 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 3 @ 0.5651 = 1.6953 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 3 @ 0.56515 = 1.6955 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BDK.BND] 1 @ 0.04949999 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [YABMC] 3 @ 0.0769 = 0.2307 BTC [+]
rg: i bet nefario would pay me interest...
smickles: this is a bait and switch, i swear
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 6 @ 0.109499 = 0.657 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 94 @ 0.1096 = 10.3024 BTC [+]
copumpkin: that's why I wanted nefario to stop trying to regulate that shit
smickles: ;;rate rg -1 uses dirty sales tactics
copumpkin: he'd have some sort of "safe harbor"-like argument to make if he just insisted on being completely hands-off
copumpkin: but if he touches some of the issues and not others, he's sort of tacitly condoning the ones he lets through
smickles: safe harbor in securities exchange?
copumpkin: well, I'm not saying it'd be legally viable
copumpkin: but he could make that argument informally at least
smickles: ah, just for consistency, you argue
imsaguy2: safe harbor doesn't apply if the creation itself is illegal
copumpkin: smickles: he has no requirement to regulate it
copumpkin: he chose to selectively regulate it
copumpkin: and now people are holding the occurrences where he didn't step in against him
copumpkin: which is precisely the kind of things safe harbor laws protect against
copumpkin: I'm not saying it does apply, just that it's analogous
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 415 @ 0.00045476 = 0.1887 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 1000 @ 0.00045476 = 0.4548 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 2800 @ 0.00045476 = 1.2733 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 1885 @ 0.00045476 = 0.8572 BTC [+]
copumpkin: and he could make the argument on the forum if he'd kept his paws out of it
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20231 @ 0.00035729 = 7.2283 BTC [-]
copumpkin: IANAL but I engage in it regularly with mircea_popescu
smickles: copumpkin: is there any legal pitfalls in calling yourself an arbitor or mediator
smickles: that's more of a spike trap, copumpkin
copumpkin: I don't think it's really possible to make any legal calls here :) your guesses would be more educated if you were a lawyer
jcpham: everytime i see that acronym i think of anal
jcpham: i know it's about lawyers
copumpkin: hence my mentions of mircea_popescu and buttsex
rg: We were not meant to experience life through a machine
smickles: rg: why doesn't running bitcoin-qt thru a socks proxy to my vps work very well?
rg: what kinda socks proxy
rg: i was just going to suggest using that
rg: instead of whatever you're doing
rg: umm what exactly do you mean by
rg: 'doesnt work very well'
rg: mind you, you wont be able to accept connections on it
rg: so your connection count will be low
smickles: it never gets more than 8 connections.. oh, well, the second thing is that a lot of the connections seem to time out
smickles: channel 15: open failed: connect failed: Connection timed out
smickles: channel 15: open failed: connect failed: Connection refused
rg: that's not your fault
rg: those are just other people who're NAT'd/proxied
rg: they advertise their IP/port to the network
smickles: just my ignorant me seeing output, eh?
Bugpowder: GLBSE is offline We will update our users on Saturday.
smickles: is there a way to open the port to the bitcoin somehow?
smickles: wow, i'm glad i cashed out >200btc yesterday
smickles: I did that the day b/f 'coinica died too
Bugpowder: I moved 1300 BTC off... still have 60 there in GIGAMINING
rg: isnt there a forum post
smickles: maybe they were fractional reserve, and suffered a bank run
rg: maybe it got owned :-D
rg: ;;calc 1300 * [ticker --last]
rg: if you give me 300 BTC
rg: i will give you 250 BTC back
smickles: kilothousandair sounds better to me
teek: update our users on saturday
rg: i used it less than 5 hrs ago
asa1024: okay - where do we riot about this?
jcpham: if it wasn't a bank run it's about to be
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24300 @ 0.00035853 = 8.7123 BTC [+]
jcpham: because i'm going to sell everything into the ground
gigavps: i sent coins to glbse this morning :-/
gigavps: for monday's coupon payment
mircea_popescu: <smickles> safe harbor in securities exchange? <<< lol
jcpham: i've tried to refrain from dumping my assets
jcpham: mainly because of you guys and not wating to affect you
rg: arf that means BIB.BVPS wont be able to pay out divs
rg: dont copy that floppy
smickles: jcpham: it's business, i respect you for careing, and i'd respect you for 'looking out for no. 1' too
smickles: mircea_popescu: late to the party?
drekk: this is so popcorn
rg: mircea is already writing a forum post talking shit about glbse
asa1024: the soap operas my wife watches has NOTHING on this sort of drama
asa1024: other than the sex and adultery part
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48829 @ 0.00036007 = 17.5819 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36600 @ 0.00036016 = 13.1819 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22636 @ 0.00036119 = 8.1759 BTC [+]
rg: imsaguy is listed as a ponzi scheme
jcpham: i'm just saying i have actively refrained from dumping my assets over the past 60 days or so since pirate defaulted
jcpham: if it comes back i'll take whatever i can and leave
smickles: imsaguy2: you're only ranked #11 on that list
DeaDTerra: what the hell is going on with GLBSE?
asa1024: turn that stock exchange back on!!!
smickles: Bugpowder: lol "I should have finished pulling out", now you have a daughter
asa1024: my life savings was jn cpa!!
asa1024: so I guess we have been owned?
teek: this shit is unreal
smickles: if Bugpowder's face is on the internet, someone should morph his face with nefario's
teek: as if things havent been bad enough lately
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 2800 @ 0.00045475 = 1.2733 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 1953 @ 0.00045475 = 0.8881 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 4500 @ 0.00045475 = 2.0464 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 10 @ 0.00045475 = 0.0045 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 2153 @ 0.00045474 = 0.9791 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 2571 @ 0.00045473 = 1.1691 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 5100 @ 0.00045472 = 2.3191 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 5800 @ 0.00045471 = 2.6373 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 9810 @ 0.00045469 = 4.4605 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 1900 @ 0.00045463 = 0.8638 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 8700 @ 0.00045455 = 3.9546 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 3245 @ 0.00045337 = 1.4712 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 8200 @ 0.00045032 = 3.6926 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 9500 @ 0.0004472 = 4.2484 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 2146 @ 0.00044174 = 0.948 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 8785 @ 0.00044165 = 3.8799 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 9849 @ 0.00044119 = 4.3453 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 1000 @ 0.00044032 = 0.4403 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 7417 @ 0.0004402 = 3.265 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 94978 @ 0.00044 = 41.7903 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 11400 @ 0.00027879 = 3.1782 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 4900 @ 0.00026701 = 1.3083 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 100000 @ 0.00023 = 23 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 98613 @ 0.00018 = 17.7503 BTC [-]
asa1024: so this is what being owned feels like
FledNanders: Sucks to whoever just bought all those shares.
Bugpowder: they were stupid to buy them anyway
mircea_popescu: asa1024 you must have missed the many "glbse is a scam" posts
Bugpowder: usagi, my wife expects me to lose all the bitcoin money
asa1024: mircea - yeah I've read them but I thought you guys were just slinging mud around everywhere
asa1024: I guess I learned something
area: So, do we think we'll actually hear something on Saturday?
rg: [11:28] <usagi> Nefario spoke at bitcoin 2012 -- no one saw this coming
rg: no one even knows what happened
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8264 @ 0.00036119 = 2.9849 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17749 @ 0.00036119 = 6.4108 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36600 @ 0.00036124 = 13.2214 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17239 @ 0.00036238 = 6.2471 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32500 @ 0.00036305 = 11.7991 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58700 @ 0.00036411 = 21.3733 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38300 @ 0.00036415 = 13.9469 BTC [+]
rg: but its not the end of the world
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37800 @ 0.00036423 = 13.7679 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27848 @ 0.00036488 = 10.1612 BTC [+]
gribble: nefario was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 week, 2 days, 19 hours, 29 minutes, and 15 seconds ago: <nefario> Those assets are not listed or traded anymore
smickles: area: well, if we hear something on sat, how could it be good news
rg: for all we know nefario found a huge bug and had to suspend trading ASAP
asa1024: I'm so owned but oh well shit happens I didn't lose much
mircea_popescu: rg there's no way he can get btc to cover for all the withdrawals
Bugpowder: I am diversified across all the non shit MPEX assets
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34388 @ 0.00036488 = 12.5475 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45612 @ 0.00036542 = 16.6675 BTC [+]
rg: maybe bugpowder is the guy buying up all the s.bvps lately
smickles: jurov|away: so how's that mpex brokerage coming alon?
DeaDTerra: Nefario claims to hold all the BTC deposited into GLBSE in a offline wallet, so he should be able to pay all the withdraws.
DeaDTerra: Anyone has his phone number,I want to give him a call.
mircea_popescu: DeaDTerra on the other hand christians claim jesus' mom was a virgin at the time
rg: he'll obviously be on IRC soon
DeaDTerra: (not in the threatening way, but in the hey m8 what's going on way)
gribble: Nefario was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 week, 2 days, 19 hours, 31 minutes, and 15 seconds ago: <nefario> Those assets are not listed or traded anymore
smickles: DeaDTerra: i'll check my phone log from back in march
gribble: nefario_ was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 21 weeks, 6 days, 7 hours, 55 minutes, and 24 seconds ago: <nefario_> I've not got all the commands down
teek: usagi: what are you talking about?
rg: it hasnt been a week since he was here
gribble: I have not seen nefario__.
teek: usagi: i am talking about the great organic coke
teek: i know glbse is down
Bugpowder: usagi, you already lost most of it :)
rg: theres nothing wrong with doing coke
FledNanders: I did not see this GLBSE closure coming. :( I just had a friend invest 20 BTC yesterday.
rg: english people love coke
rg: its not a glbse closure!
rg: you guys need to fucking relax
Bugpowder: Did I not said GLBSE was going to die by Nov1
rg: and stop jumping to conclusions
rg: you didn't lose anything
rg: you dont even know what's going on
FledNanders: rg: I can't get my funds... I consider that lost.
teek: rg: with the further downward spiral this will cause
Bugpowder: the bid value of any security held is going to be cut in half
rg: temporarily unavailable!
teek: ya we did lose something
DeaDTerra: Last time I talked to Nefario, he was looking for somewhere to live, I am sure he just has a limited amount of internet access and a bug came up and he had to shutdown the servers to deal with it.
rg: nefario has a fuckload of btc
rg: i think he probably found a catastrophic bug
rg: mircea_popescu: so am i but i still have like 300 btc
smickles: I'm not positive it's his, but it's a +44 code
mircea_popescu: soooo... all of you people who gave your id details to nefario
Bugpowder: time to update my spreadsheet of bitcoin investment losses
rg: mircea_popescu: for me it is
rg: im not a high roller like all of you
FledNanders: rg: None of us are high rollers anymore. :(
Bugpowder: just post the bitcoin price please
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 988 @ 0.00036542 = 0.361 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8400 @ 0.00036547 = 3.0699 BTC [+]
gribble: Best bid: 13.02, Best ask: 13.0684, Bid-ask spread: 0.04840, Last trade: 13.02, 24 hour volume: 31652, 24 hour low: 12.703, 24 hour high: 13.0685
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7400 @ 0.00036661 = 2.7129 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7212 @ 0.00036748 = 2.6503 BTC [+]
copumpkin: why wait until saturday to make an announcement?
Bugpowder: GLBSE is offline For those worried about their bitcoin, please calm yourselves there has been no hack and your coins are safe and all accounted for. I apologize for the lack of notice and the downtime, but there isn't much choice. We will update our users on Saturday.
DeaDTerra: I got a answer from Nefario. He can't comment on the downtime until Sunday.
smickles: oh, usagi samthan was asking for you
smickles: said you owed him 1200 btc or somehting
Luceo: I'm done with GLBSE
Luceo: Glad I pulled my BTC
drekk: Meanwhile... 13.07597
gribble: Best bid: 13.07598, Best ask: 13.08, Bid-ask spread: 0.00402, Last trade: 13.06586, 24 hour volume: 31452, 24 hour low: 12.703, 24 hour high: 13.08
Luceo: Why is it so hard for Bitcoiners to just run legitimate fucking businesses? :S
BurtW: Summary of GLBSE fiasco please.
copumpkin: mircea_popescu: long-term maybe :) short-term, I feel bad for a lot of people getting fucked :(
copumpkin: mircea_popescu is sipping his cognac
mircea_popescu: copumpkin mee too. especially for the uppity ones who managed to completely fuck themselves over by getting on my ignore list.
DeaDTerra: He doesn't seem to be going anywhere, though he can't comment on anything until Sunday (probably legal reasons).
smickles: BurtW: it wen't offline, says it'll have info on saturday
copumpkin: hey guys, technically your ownership of everything is your own
copumpkin: of how much everyone owns of everything
copumpkin: that shit should be published and signed though
jcpham: let's blame BurtW and see if it helps
BurtW: <DeaDTerra> Got a hold of Nefario << only good news so far
gribble: Best bid: 13.056, Best ask: 13.08, Bid-ask spread: 0.02400, Last trade: 13.08408, 24 hour volume: 31471, 24 hour low: 12.703, 24 hour high: 13.0841
asa1024: oct 4th 2012 the Day the music died.
copumpkin: asa1024: have you seen margin call?
Luceo: They froze my account for 6 months
asa1024: no not yet - is it any good?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15000 @ 0.00036748 = 5.5122 BTC [+]
copumpkin: jeremy irons hears the music stop, in that movie
mircea_popescu: well if that helps anything, strateman, taaki & co haven't "gone anywhere" either. they're still around
asa1024: thanks! i'll check it out!
copumpkin: it's fictional, but designed to mirror more or less what happened during the shitshow
Doffx: Wow no update until Sat, wtf
Luceo: usagi: Hope you get your shit back :x
rg: someone musta called in the federalies
jcpham: hi! we have all your monies. the site is down. sucks to be you. we'll talk about it in a few days.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1000 @ 0.00036748 = 0.3675 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: gavin has to now code something to accept the coupons into the blocks
rg: mtgox has enough money to grease the wheels
Luceo: All the feds are accomplishing is driving legitimate businesses underground, into tor, into darknet, onto IRC
copumpkin: asa1024: if you like financial fuckup movies based on true stories, you should also watch rogue trader. That's an even more ridiculous story
ErebusBat: mircea_popescu: any thread or pastebin I can read to catch up? Other than (CLOSED WILL UPDATE IN A FEW DAYS?)
DeaDTerra: I am talking to James at the moment
BurtW: ErebusBat no sec, just idiocy << can you expound on this
DeaDTerra: All the coins are safe, it's not a bug nor a hack. More info will come on Sunday. Try to stay cool kids
copumpkin: asa1024: basically a single guy managed to destroy a major bank that had existed for a couple hundred years by lying about how much he was making them
mircea_popescu: BurtW not past what the pr girl has been saying on the forum, and i'm sure you've read and ignored.
rg: so are you admitting that you called the cops
copumpkin: usagi: don't panic, the records of what you own are still intact, I'm sure, and you can settle your ownership with the asset issuers
ErebusBat: mircea_popescu: I don't get the point of that thread. GLBSE closed down because of pressure from goat?
JWU_42: usagi: let's wait and see what happens here...
Doffx: What coins, if you have a bond and not btc your fucked when this is over
mircea_popescu: ErebusBat glbse was a scam platform. it closed down once it became unsustainable.
copumpkin: it'll be a pain in the ass, but many of the issuers will be able to move over to mpex, and issue you shares based on what nefario claims you own
Doffx: Massive sell off ck up coming if its back up Sat
ErebusBat: mircea_popescu: source? other than your opinion?
ErebusBat: usagi: did you already send your deposit?
JWU_42: I already got the Pirate reaming
mircea_popescu: o well. prepare for the fun of handling privately your investors.
JWU_42: yes - think so - but not 100% sure
ErebusBat: Did asset holders get any advance notice?
mircea_popescu: the ideea is you prepare for contingencies so you don't have to cuff it.
Luceo: usagi: Whats your plan if glbse comes back?
Luceo: usagi: Get everything off there onto something safe?
JWU_42: ErebusBat: I received no advance notice (no notice at all)
Bugpowder: copumpkin why would MPEX take GLBSE trash? makes no sense... cryptostocks maybe
smickles: lol, theymos knew nothing of this
jcpham: if no one was given any notice, it isn't good
smickles: mircea_popescu: i hadn't heard that they sold yet
mircea_popescu: jcpham why not ? after such a long run of being naive, why break it.
Bugpowder: herp derp I accidently tried to sell my shares at the worst possible time
mircea_popescu: taking a positive look on things, this chan passed 100 users now, so can't be all bad.
Doffx: Time to open free accounts for Mpex
smickles: Doffx: no, time for jurov|away's brokerage site to open up public
ErebusBat: AND your eyes can bleed while you use it
Doffx: Either way I will no longer participate in any exchange.
Doffx: I'm glad I removed all my BTC from Glbse
Doffx: Just wish I had time to dump all my shares
genjix: nefario is legit. for sure there is a reasonable explanation and everyone will get their bitcoins back. i trust the guy.
smickles: defactomacro: any other bitcoin related securites exchange?
smickles: there's a whole list in /topic
Doffx: The btc is only one part of the problem, the bigger problem is everyone is going to want out.
gribble: Nick 'genjix', with hostmask 'genjix!~genjix@188.165.73.224', is not identified.
Doffx: So if you own shares what happens.
ErebusBat: genjix: If ther eis govt intervention it doesn't matter one lick if nefario was legit or not
mircea_popescu: genjix aren't there some coins you folks stole with bitcoinica taht need to be dispensed ?
ErebusBat: Doffx: *if* it comes back online then it could be a massive opportunity
DeaDTerra: <genjix> nefario is legit. for sure there is a reasonable explanation and everyone will get their bitcoins back. i trust the guy. Seconed by me
mircea_popescu: DeaDTerra why do you insist in associating with well known scammers ?
smickles: mircea_popescu: guruvan "part of the bitcoinica, bitcoin consultancy, bitcoinica consultancy crew that has stolen a large amount of customer funds. Do not trust these guys - bitcoinica, intersango, consultancy, or any new project"
DeaDTerra: I just talked to James, the situation is critical but stable for now. All the coins are safe in the offline wallet. It was not a hack.
DeaDTerra: I am losing more respect for you each minute, so please shut up Mircea :)
PsychoticBoy: dont care about his wallet, most of my btc are stuck in assets, I want my asset money back if GLBSE does not come back
Doffx: I agree with PsychoticBoy, I dont have any BTC in there its the assets I'm more concerned with.
Uglux: DeaDTerra, and what is the situation? oO
teek: DeaDTerra: do you actually know the situation
teek: or were you just told "its critical but stable"
Luceo: Sunday? Not Saturday?
Luceo: Why is it taking so long?
teek: DeaDTerra: so then you don't know the situation
OneEyed: That's what is written on the site itself
jcpham: it's the people PsychoticBoy
jcpham: or the ideas produced by the people
Luceo: mircea_popescu: Could this shit happen to mpex?
jcpham: and even if it could why would he say yes
Luceo: As far as I know mpex is still centralized
Luceo: What happens to mpex if you disappear? No one can continue their assets?
mircea_popescu: 21. What happens if your domain(s) or server(s) are confiscated ?
mircea_popescu: In case the domain is confiscated or otherwise lost MPEx will move to a different domain, in a different jurisdiction. Should the same happen again, MPEx would move to what will at the time be a solid alternative for a free Internet, be it the TOR network, namecoin or some equivalent DNS or any comparable solution. No government will ever be able to stop the Internet, in general. We're prepared to show this in the particular.
mircea_popescu: Should the systems be confiscated or otherwise lost the service will failover to different systems, possibly on bulletproof hosting if need be. If sufficient pressure is put on this side MPEx will be recoded as a p2p system.
mircea_popescu: 22. Even so, how would the investors be affected in the event MPEx can no longer be continued ?
mircea_popescu: In the unlikely case that the continuation of MPEx becomes impossible, all issuers will be provided with lists of their shareholders. A successor system would have to be constructed (either centralized or maintained independently by the respective issuers), but no information is lost : since people can still sign with their keys, it is trivial for anyone who is in fact a shareholder to identify himself as shareholder. Just to be on
mircea_popescu: the safe side, a dump of all users' final STATs, encrypted with their keys and clearsigned by the exchange will be released before closing, in whatever manner will be deemed at that time efficient, as for instance on a p2p file sharing system.
Luceo: I'm starting to think the main 'safe' thing about mpex is that you're in Romania :P
mircea_popescu: no, the main safe thing about mpex is that i'm a hardass.
Luceo: And the big governments don't tend to get that far
PsychoticBoy: maybe Ill create my own stock exchange site, :D
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 676 @ 0.00036748 = 0.2484 BTC [+]
Luceo: Maybe what we need is a decentralized exchange?
Luceo: So that if one important person or server gets v&, the exchange goes on
Luceo: I'm glad I pulled out of GLBSE when they started trying to go legal
smickles: Luceo: congratz on being the umteenth person to suggest and not yet impliment a decentralized bitcoin securities exchanges. next action, find Open Transactions
OneEyed: I pulled the last 100 BTC I had there during the last week
mircea_popescu: from the forums : "GLBSE has better assets and is free. I am now even less likely to sign up to you."
OneEyed: mircea_popescu: it started to smell very bad
Luceo: smickles: Looking for it
smickles: Luceo: OT seems like it could work, it just needs a bit more dev
Luceo: mircea_popescu: Konichua is very young, go easy on him :P
ErebusBat: <Luceo> I'm glad I pulled out of GLBSE when they started trying to go legal <--- that statement looks bad
Luceo: ErebusBat: Every Bitcoin business which has tried to go 'legit' has become worse
ErebusBat: ^^^ I don't nessecarily disagree, but taken out of context that is a very bad thing to have in a news clipping (or courtroom)
Luceo: Until the system recognizes and legislates around Bitcoin, any attempt to take Bitcoin businesses through regulation & registration is futile
mircea_popescu: moreover, the system will have to recode itself to fit with bitcoin
knotwork: Open Transactions does work, I have never used any financial system that was as good at actually keeping balances correct before
Luceo: Well sure, taken out of context it is
ErebusBat: "bitcoins are just for criminals… as soon as GLBSE tried to become legal alot of users jumped ship and here are some quotes….."
knotwork: having all balances have to be signed for seems to make it extremely robuts
ErebusBat: knotwork: what is OT actulally good for *today*?
pigeons: use knotwork's server and find out
mircea_popescu: ErebusBat i think there's some game servers using it already
Luceo: ErebusBat: I understand but let's just put that into context
Luceo: It's the legal system which makes it that way
knotwork: It works, you can transfer assets from user to user, you can put them on markets, you can withdraw blinded cash tokens
knotwork: you can do cheques and "cashiers cheques"
Luceo: If the legal system wasn't in the 1900s, and unable to work with Bitcoin, and with small financial services providers, then we wouldn't have these issues
knotwork: It could do with easier way to use Tor though, like actual proxy-port support
smickles: knotwork: so you're saying just the ui and tor interface need work?
knotwork: and of course it could do with prettier clients if it actually makes any sense to let grandma have a seat on a stock exchange
pigeons: smickles: yeah, ther eare some recent videos demonstarating
knotwork: grandma probably ought to just use videochat with her nice friendly broker though at $75/hour or whatever and let him/her deal with all the complicated stuff
jcpham: the term "going legal" implies complying with regulations
jcpham: based on the nature of bitcoin, regulations will make people jump ship
knotwork: smickles well it needs scaling up too
smickles: glbse would have to get a lot of info from its users to comply with us regs, and serve us users
pigeons: well to be fair, it wasn't the act of intending to comply with regulations that brought the regulators down on them
knotwork: right now we had to put a limit to the number of offers a nym can have open because nyms issuing 72 offers 3 times a day without clearing their inboxes were blowing out the inbox download timeouts
knotwork: so we put a limit of only 36 open offers per nym for now
smickles: knotwork: open offers, so that's like buy/sells?
knotwork: thing is there are so damn many markets the market-making scripts wanted to post shitloads of offers
smickles: kakobrekla: the first reply is golden
knotwork: I have scripts that take the computed value for an asset in terms of another and place offers to buy by the one at a time at 97% or by the ten at a time at 98% or by the 100-lot at 99% and to similarly sell at 103%, 102%, 101% stuff like that
knotwork: so thats six offers right there just to do one way round of one pair
knotwork: because of those scale factors it treats both ways round of a pair as distinct markets
smickles: interesting, i need to settle into my new place first tho :|
knotwork: so like at 100 scale, offering to sell 100 of A for x many B per 100 is separate market from offering to sell 100-lots of B for y many A per 100
knotwork: so tons of need for arbitrageurs
knotwork: even if they just buy 100-lots and sell in smaller lots or whatever
knotwork: or match up folk selling A for price in B with people selling B for price measured in A
smickles: knotwork: well, today may be a good day to attract more players
mircea_popescu: see Luceo ? you ask me to go easy on them cause they're young, they sprout dumbass shit cause... heck, why not. they;re young and everyone should go easy on them
Luceo: mircea_popescu: Hmm, you make a fair point
mircea_popescu: im not gonna be the first taking 15yo's to be thrown off rocks, but i can't deny sparta had a point somewhere in there.
knotwork: I am hoping OT will appeal to large players due to its lack of percentage-based trading fees
gribble: nefario was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 week, 2 days, 20 hours, 28 minutes, and 20 seconds ago: <nefario> Those assets are not listed or traded anymore
knotwork: doing everything in integers should also hopefully help encourage larger size trades
Bugpowder: LOL <mircea_popescu> mpex new acct fee is 30 btc now.
mircea_popescu: people that joined in time get an advantage over the ones that shittalked mpex back in the day cause "glbse is so much better"
mircea_popescu: it's how busienss works : back the wrong horse, bleed out of each limb.
Luceo: OpenTransactions says its centralized
smickles: is this where I brag about paying less fees to mpex than glbse
knotwork: Damn I didnt even turn on the usage tokens system yet in OT
pigeons: my mpex account was free, casue they used to be free
knotwork: oh thats right piegons rub it in why dont you
smickles: pigeons: you fucking early adopter
asa1024: damn and I was testing out coinbr.com
pigeons: knotwork: while it was free i tried to get you to join
ErebusBat: So I can't really use OT for anything today?
pigeons: ErebusBat: you can use OT for whatever you want today
ErebusBat: asa1024: dont forget that your eyes will bleed too… how can you put a price on that.
knotwork: ErebusBat sure you can, you just have to get it installed on your system
smickles: ErebusBat: you could setup proxy assets to glbse assets and make a killing
knotwork: ErebusBat you can use the scripting language or the java GUI client both work
ErebusBat: pigeons: rephrase: is anything else actually using OT today? Or is it still pretty much POC?
mircea_popescu: lol pigeons was mining back when cpu were the rage, too
pigeons: ErebusBat: knotwork has a server with btc, i0c,ixc, ltc, CDN, etc, a handful of other servers, i'm not sure which of them want to be announced yet
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66100 @ 0.00036628 = 24.2111 BTC [-]
ErebusBat: any guides on OT? Last I looked there really were not
knotwork: yeah Digitalis Data Services is my sole proprietorship, see WHOIS knotwork.com and WHOIS knotwork.net
knotwork: once there is some easy way to use it through Tor there are a few groups who want to have OT servers as Tor hidden services
smickles: pay me back first, but srsly, don't
knotwork: currently they make do with Truledger for that I think
pigeons: a couple truledger servers on tor are getting popular
smickles: go read the myth of sysiphus by Camus, usagi
pigeons: well, compared to a few months ago
knotwork: Truledger doesnt have markets though nor even escrow-type smart contracts to force trades to actually happen both ways
smickles: of all things, when I learned that guy died in a train crash, i laughed
knotwork: Truledger only does accounts. it does similar type of accounting where everything is signed though
knotwork: but no markets, no way to make sure guy sends you in return what he promised when you send him something
knotwork: I think people have been using it mostly just for their local trust group for doing accounting around their in and out to fiat stuff among people they know
pigeons: mostly gold i've seen with truledger
ErebusBat: Watching the OT vids: makes me thiink of bitcoin test net… at first you are like I HAVE 10,000 BTC!!!! then realize you cant actully do anything with them :(
knotwork: I dont touch fiat at all with my server, I only deal with game money like bitcoins and litecoins and ixcoins and all that play money stuff
jcpham: the myth of sisyphus is actually an old favorite
jcpham: there is much to learn there
jcpham: i was just saying how i wished reeses were here to troll this bitch up
jcpham: and look what happened
reeses: jcpham rubs my bottle and I come out
smickles: knotwork: well, i may not be too far off from helping out
asa1024: I wonder when the first murder over bit coin is gonna happen?
asa1024: the media will love that one "FIRST MURDER OVER A VIRTUAL CURRENCY!!!"
smickles: i don't think bitcoin is a virtual currency anyway
smickles: digitally signed record of ownership of digital record
smickles: i don't see anything virtual about that
mircea_popescu: if you can't kill your girlfriend with it, it's virtual. also known as rule of thumb.
smickles: data on harddrives has mass mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: yes but the relationship between real data and the virtual coins is... virtual.
mircea_popescu: (the duck also weighs the same as a witch, which is virtual)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BVPS] 550 @ 0.00347504 = 1.9113 BTC [+]
smickles: mircea_popescu: but it's the known claim to control of the virtual thing that has the value, so it's the data, not the thing itself
mircea_popescu: if safekeys were the token claims that'd make the content of the safe no less virtual by this working.
smickles: like thos boulders on that island at that time
smickles: "whith the thing in the place"
smickles: mircea_popescu: i don't think it was easter island
smickles: mircea_popescu: i would look it up, but curiously, all my networking died with the exception of irc
Doffx: DeaDTerra, can you buy all my GSDPT back from me at what I bought it at?
FledNanders: What's this about GLBSE going down? What will happen to all my BTC and PPT shares?
Doffx: That would be fine with me.
Doffx: I dont have an Mpex account however, mircea_popescu said I wasn’t worthy.
mircea_popescu: Doffx so have an in-kind transfer to some broker or w/e
Bugpowder: Doffx I will sell the for you for 10% cut
mircea_popescu: once glbbq comes basck online, you get your coupons, you redeem them etc
Doffx: Well first I need to be able to access my Glbse account to give him the totals.
FledNanders: milk isn't a scammer. milk does the body good.
Doffx: Well I guess its a good thing I mostly own that asset
Doffx: Ok cool, If Sat Glbse is back ill ping you.
smickles: Doffx: if you have shares of gsdpt (or whatev) you could give DeaDTerra a signed doc that says you'll give X shares to him as soon as is possible
smickles: that way, you could sell today
smickles: for that matter, you could probably do that with anyone, not just DT
Anduck: glbse down got something to do with pirate?
Doffx: I dont know how many I have exactly is the problem haha
smickles: Doffx: you could just do it wiht an amount you are comfortable with
Doffx: I want to sell them all, and move on.
Anduck: it was a major source of pirates bonds
smickles: if it ends up being more than you actually had, you just take responsibility for the difference
Anduck: if SEC is investigating, glbse might been shut down cuz of it
FledNanders: GLBSE should be migrated to a .bit site. Should have been migrated a long time ago.
Doffx: I may do that tonight then smickles, my gpg keys are on another pc.
Doffx: I really need to export them to this pc.
pigeons: um pirate is one of the reasons there the legal folks are interested in glbse
pigeons: mircea_popescu: one line in your resolv.conf
Diablo-D3: I think Im just going to officially announce the end of DMC
mircea_popescu: FledNanders you seriously are making that distinction with glbbq "investors" ?
pigeons: DeaDTerra: how about the fucking SEC they said they are
FledNanders: DeaDTerra: Nefario confirmed it on the forum somewhere.
pigeons: i proved it to myself, why should i prove it to you
FledNanders: SEC contacted Nefario. I'm confident that is a fact.
Diablo-D3: DeaDTerra: you know what I want to know? I got trolls, you didnt
pigeons: i don't want it to be true, but it is
Diablo-D3: DeaDTerra: but we both got fucked the same way
pigeons: mircea_popescu: this in your resolve.conf and you're done: search namecoin-suffix.dot-bit.org
Diablo-D3: all the forum trolls jumped on the nefario train and trolled the fact DMC lost money because of nefario's bullshit
mircea_popescu: pigeons you realise most people on glbbq can't do gpg --clearsign, right ? the fuck they know how to find resolve.conf
pigeons: find / -name "resolv.conf" ;)
mircea_popescu: except i dunno, does the syntax even work in hosts.txt ?
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: if you're manually setting shit? yes
Diablo-D3: if you want to change DNS, you have to use the gui
mircea_popescu: but on a serious note pigeons, this is very useful info.
Diablo-D3: pigeons: you missed the point of my comment
Diablo-D3: Ive written enough of them manually
mircea_popescu: so far in spite of what the scammer group claims there's not been any actual pressure from the agencies on this, but should it come to it, making the site .bit is trivial.
FledNanders: mircea_popescu - you plan to wait to be contacted to move to .bit?
mircea_popescu: FledNanders why am i paying all these lawyers for then ?
smickles: mircea_popescu: is one of the best dressed men i know of
FledNanders: make sure to tell dreadpirateroberts to just go ahead and put silk road on a .com and hire your legal team.
FledNanders: i'm sure that's the smart thing to do, right?
rg: when you get a chance, send me that div money
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21100 @ 0.00036412 = 7.6829 BTC [-]
rg: i did a withdrw, i tin i did t properly
rg: this FUCKKING KEYBOARD
hctib: does anyone have any word about GLBSE?
rg: makes me look like a retard always dropping keystrokes
hctib: really mircea_popescu , I just checked
rg: theres new info on it
jcpham: i want a few thousand mg's of caffeine for lunch
vampireb: so anyone knows what happened to glbse?
FledNanders: vampireb - Nefario is updating to GLBSE 3.0 and adding a claim codes section to relclaim Goat assets.
hctib: mircea_popescu: I see not much information on the site.
hctib: maybe he went over his bandwidth?
FledNanders: GLBSE 3.0 = Options trading, leverage trading, partial share trades, code claiming, new charts, new server, etc...
Diablo-D3: jcpham: I wouldnt want the position anyhow
jcpham: that makes you the perfect candidate
mircea_popescu: FledNanders will it actually take < 5seconds per page load ?
FledNanders: mircea_popescu - supposedly it will be "lightning fast"
hctib: FledNanders: that still doesn't explain two days of down time with no notice.
FledNanders: He didn't comment on that.... But I assume he wants to chase away the bad seeds.
FledNanders: Had to take the site down to migrate systems/servers and test things.
FledNanders: Most likely it won't come back up on Saturday, but Monday after a weekend of bug fixing.
FledNanders: He will be contacting people soon regarding bug testers.
FledNanders: At least that is what the guy who I presumed to be Nefario said when I called the number listed on the whois.
FledNanders: rg - quite possible. i had never spoken to Nefario before.
hctib: And if you do a good job running scams there's always the ..... government. duh duh duh
mircea_popescu: FledNanders he sorta sounds like a 50 yo lesbian on her last period.
hctib: And if you do a good job avoiding scams there's always the ..... government. duh duh duh
geod: ;;rate arij 1 sold btc for ppusd. fast transaction
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FledNanders: mircea_popescu - i can't say i know what that sounds like
mircea_popescu: omg somebody used bitcoin-assets for bitcoin business ?
FledNanders: "he" sounded to me like a very professional young asian man.
FledNanders: but that might just be assumption and racist
FledNanders: k3t3r - it is tough to say for sure. it is possible but he sounded more asian...
FledNanders: maybe he was just exhausted and sick of his phone blowing up
FledNanders: we talked to 3 minutes and he basically just rattled off glbse 3.0 upgrade features and said he is busy fixing bugs to try and get it up before Monday.
FledNanders: he could have been in a panic that his number was published or just trying to throw people off
FledNanders: weird he would give info out over the phone but not on the site
FledNanders: anyway you know what i know. good luck to us all. i've got a couple grand i would like to see again.
FledNanders: DeaDTerra - did he mention GLBSE 3.0 to you?
FledNanders: smickles - do your research, it is available online
FledNanders: I called about 25 minutes ago - when did you call?
jcpham: i'll ignore all this tomorrow when I'm off work
smickles: flednanders, well I already had his number from when he called me months ago
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34200 @ 0.00036412 = 12.4529 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: smickles different name from same ip was in yest trying to troll s.dice
hctib: how does one troll s.dice?
matthewh3: I know Nafario, I've met him, have him on my Facebook and have his phone number but I'm not calling him yet. As I imagine he is very busy and answering lots of calls. I have sent him a message on Facebook tho.
boonies4u: so did anyone see anything stranger before the current page went up?
asa1024: I still have a page up from there
boonies4u: what is that people are thinking he did?
boonies4u: that is making you say that you trust him?
Bugpowder: [11:36] <usagi> I have been speaking to nefario privately for weeks [11:36] <usagi> WEEKS [11:37] <usagi> Lol [11:37] <mircea_popescu> ahahaha kakobrekla [11:37] <usagi> I have access to the Bitcoin Global website where all the finalcials and minutes are published [11:37] <usagi> I am not going to reveal anything supersecret but [11:37] <usagi> Nefario is fucked [11:37] <usagi> GLBSE is illegal
Bugpowder: [12:03] <usagi> I am sad. :( [12:03] <usagi> Someone help me please. I'm crying. [12:03] <usagi> I am sorry. [12:03] <usagi> I am sorry.
boonies4u: if that's legit, usagi sold him down the river
boonies4u: only reason someone would say i'm sorry that many times
matthewh3: even if GLBSE was forced to shut down there are multiple copies of the database and it wouldn't take long until it surfaced on I2p or Tor networks in full with all history, accounts and coin.
JWU_42: what is up with usagi ?
Bugpowder: how does that work for monitizing the assets
Bugpowder: God this is the best thing that could have possibly happened to Kludge
imsaguy2: the multiple copies of the db has been proven?
gribble: Nick 'Doffx', with hostmask 'Doffx!~doff@173-160-245-174-Washington.hfc.comcastbusiness.net', is identified as user Doffx, with GPG key id DE23494FA64F5DA1, key fingerprint 9A9A9D9CA29C8F1FB40AC46DDE23494FA64F5DA1, and bitcoin address None
Doffx: I need to add a bitcoin address I spose
Bugpowder: His girlfriend might one day become is wife now
Doffx: Hmm, how do you add a bitcoin address anyhow, I dont see it in the guide.
boonies4u: sounds like i'm gonna have to buy a FPGA
boonies4u: I was going to be activating it, and sending a good amount of funds to GLBSE
boonies4u: I can't really take YOUR word on that mircea_popescu
gribble: Nick 'Doffx', with hostmask 'Doffx!~doff@173-160-245-174-Washington.hfc.comcastbusiness.net', is identified as user Doffx, with GPG key id DE23494FA64F5DA1, key fingerprint 9A9A9D9CA29C8F1FB40AC46DDE23494FA64F5DA1, and bitcoin address None
mircea_popescu: course, it was saturday ~4 hours ago and sunday ~2 hours ago, so maybe it's monay on the newyear's eve
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 400 @ 0.00036272 = 0.1451 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: boonies4u originally site was going to be back saturday.
boonies4u: mircea_popescu: oh? well, i'll be waiting for update on saturday
hctib: It says that there will be an update on Saturday.
mircea_popescu: Oct 04 18:38:35 <DeaDTerra> I got a answer from Nefario. He can't comment on the downtime until Sunday.
Luceo: Does no one ever get bored of people not being able to comment?
Luceo: Why cant people just be honest? :(
hctib: bored no. annoyed maybe
mircea_popescu: Luceo because when people ARE honest various idiot forumdwellers bitch whine and moan.
Diablo-D3: nefario ran away with all the money
Luceo: mircea_popescu: Fuck the forum dwellers, I'd rather hear the truth
mircea_popescu: heck, the pr girl even got a signed document to that effect.
gribble: Nick 'Doffx', with hostmask 'Doffx!~doff@173-160-245-174-Washington.hfc.comcastbusiness.net', is identified as user Doffx, with GPG key id DE23494FA64F5DA1, key fingerprint 9A9A9D9CA29C8F1FB40AC46DDE23494FA64F5DA1, and bitcoin address 1Q9FavHENPK7sATGm8ebthxG9EhQmaamw2
Doffx: Yay, sorry for the spam.
Doffx: Its really me mircea_popescu!
asa1024: congrats Doffx - you got it!
Luceo: Not too keen on the 30 BTC fee for mpex :/
Luceo: Will make the market less liquid
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: the big irony is, I just announced officially Im shutting DMC down due to nefario's incompetence
Luceo: Would have thought you'd want to seize the fallout from GLBSE
asa1024: mircea_popescu: would the fee also include current beta testers of coinbr.com?
Luceo: asa1024: afaik coinbr users just use the coinbr account so they dont pay mpex fees
Luceo: But its higher trading fees
mircea_popescu: asa1024 coinbr has its own account, you don't pay me fees.
rg: what ever happened to that raffle
Luceo: mircea_popescu: The reason I dont like the reg fee at mpex is that you keep all the idiots out so I cant just exploit them for easy btc :(
Luceo: rg: It's still going
mircea_popescu: Luceo these exploits tend to end up blowing in your face
rg: how many tickets left
mircea_popescu: take BTC-Mining as a fine example. he thinks he;'s been exploiting idiots
mircea_popescu: except... if he gets nothing back off glbse now, is he actually a winner here ? or a net loser ?
Diablo-D3: I guess if nefario destroyed GLBSE, it makes shutting DMC down easier =/
mircea_popescu: trying to invest in the sense of "exploting idiots" never works aout, it's pretty much the same thing as trying to time a ponzi.
rg: stop saying shit like that
rg: [14:34] <Diablo-D3> I guess if nefario destroyed GLBSE, it makes shutting DMC down easier =/
rg: theres no reason to think GLBSE is destroyed for any reason
Diablo-D3: yeah well, I have trouble giving a shit anymore
Diablo-D3: you're subscribed to the dmc thread, right?
rg: i am proud to say i am not subscribed to ANY threads
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1day: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 30day: 0.00325001 / 0.00337508 / 0.0034 (1794402 shares, 6,056.27 BTC)
BTC-Mining: mircea, what? How am I exploiting anyone?
BTC-Mining: so... trading on the market is explotation now? =P
Luceo: BTC-Mining: Exploitation isn't always bad, if people are willing to price badly you may as well exploit that
mircea_popescu: dude, he said he doesn't like mpex cause there's no idiots to exploit
mircea_popescu: i pointed out that places built on idiots eventually collapse.
BTC-Mining: I'm pretty sure I never used that term.
mircea_popescu: leaving aside the fact that i never heard of a place with no idiots.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6221 @ 0.00036272 = 2.2565 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: "I am so sorry.. wtf.... glbse shut down.... i have been talking about this for days.. my life ssvings is gone,,,"
mircea_popescu: Look guys I am asorrt...l I am druni now.... its not my fault.. I will gibe you my work money. My wife wil kil me.. I mk sorry I am sorry.. I am sorry..///
Luceo: mircea_popescu: No, I was sarcastically remarking that the fee tends to keep out the sunday traders
mircea_popescu: are we going to go into a politically corect spiral nao ?
Luceo: I actually like mpex but the fee does keep out a lot of the smaller traders which can hurt liquidity in such a small market
mircea_popescu: Luceo you oddly forget liquidity is what, 10x what glbse was at peak ?
pigeons: rg are you trolling or you really think there is no reason to think glbse is toast?
MoneyIsDebt: And it was just yesterday I moved all my funds out
rg: pigeons: serious as cancer
rg: im thinking he tried to integrate some new shit
SlipFaunders: Are DeaDTerra and I really the only ones that reached out to Nefario?
rg: to curb the bitching/moaning on IRC/forum
rg: and found terrible bugs
rg: too terrible to continue running
mircea_popescu: seeing how it has terrible bugs, too terrible to continue
rg: he has a new vesrion of the site
mircea_popescu: right. why trust a. he found them all b. he can fix them ?
rg: the current site was obsoleted anyway
rg: no one finds ALL the bugs
mircea_popescu: make new one, fill it with scams, take his cut (refuse/delist those who don't give cut)
pigeons: the new version was to remove security and make it more accessible
rg: glbse has obviously been deeply affected by 9/11
BTC-Mining: Gets everyone together... to still be crazy?
rg: i just say 9/11 all the time
rg: 'dude why did you do that james?'
pigeons: or else the terrorists win
rg: people were so dumb about 9/11
BTC-Mining: I remember in Family Guy when Lois ran for mayor. Actual speeches left people there not impressed. She said 9/11. The crowd went crazy cheering. So her speech afterward were just repeating "9/11" over and over. Kept the crowd happy.
rg: a friend of mine still thinks 9/11 should be a national holiday
rg: i cant believ ethat show is still on
rg: its not been good since it got canceled
pigeons: it was never good, they just tell 1000 jokes and everyone will laugh at a different 3 of them
rg: they pioneered that type of 'comedy'
rg: even the simpsons copied them for a while
rg: now the simpsons is back to just plain sucking
BTC-Mining: No problem Ignatius. Just trying to keep what's known/claimed posted somewhere instead of people having to scour the forum. It's really a mess.
kakobrekla: copied by using 9/11 to get ratings up?
rg: [james@elephant The.Simpsons]$ ls
rg: MISC Season.07 Season.08 Season.11 Season.12 Season.13
rg: season 9 is good too but ive seen iit 8000 times
rg: that's why i dont have it
jcpham: i'm calling universal studios
rg: Mr X. , When they go to Japan
rg: that sthe tomacco episode
jcpham: i haven't seen the simpsons since family guy
BTC-Mining: There's really not much to go on about.
rg: Grift Of The Magi, Bart To The Future, ake My Wife Sleaze
BTC-Mining: I have only seen the first seasons actually...
jcpham: but what is the reward other than some vague social context to discuss an obscure cartoon show
rg: simpsons is not obscure
rg: maybe in vietnam, where you're from
jcpham: i called it obscure and i meant it
jcpham: network television, fox?
jcpham: fail people watch network tv
rg: i actually watch our local fox affiliates news program
rg: and sometimes they have musical artists
jcpham: cartoon network should pick it up
jcpham: i wonder why they haven't
rg: ha ha i just dropped jcpham's dox
jcpham: anyways maybe i should watch the simpsons
jcpham: but it really needs to be syndicated more
rg: at either 6, 630, 7 or 730
dub: <nefario> im building the future of bitcoin lol
dub: no, a nefario quote would have at least 17 'like's in it
rg: dont use his shit if you dont like it
dub: as soon as we can extract our coins
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1100 @ 0.00036477 = 0.4012 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20500 @ 0.00036618 = 7.5067 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6200 @ 0.00036748 = 2.2784 BTC [+]
jcpham: oh a mad dash to crash the market will work
mircea_popescu: rg actually... they can't use it even if they like it.
rg: mircea_popescu: you're just mad cause no matter how much glbse fucks up
rg: people *still* dont want to use mpex
jcpham: i need mpex to be point and click friendly
rg: its like 3 words friendly
rg: you can do anything on mpex with 1 command
dub: I only have one hand free
dub: how am I supposed to gpg with one hand
rg: typing is faster than clicking
jcpham: ok so tablets are pointless
jcpham: let's take 25 years back in ui design
dub: I might have been raxxed
rg: i dont like the bad karma in here
rg: its bumming out my high
rg: lets all figure out a movie that rg hasnt seen
jcpham: the brokerage can be point and click
rg: you know ive not yet seen wall st
rg: that mightve been a good suggestion
mod6: the new one was meh, ok.
jcpham: now we have a service economy based on an exchange
rg: if it was higher than a 5.5 on imdb
dub: theres a new swap.avi?
rg: that's cuttin it pretty close
jcpham: anyways i'm just trolling
jcpham: i never bothered to read the instructions
mod6: rg: ahh, yeah, it wasnt nearly as good as the original. :/
jcpham: i wish i would have now though
mod6: you should have jcpham
mircea_popescu: cost you what, like 500 bux ? not the end of the world.
jcpham: i regret not diversify in your exchange
jcpham: it's really a matter of laziness
jcpham: 20 30 btc whatever it is
rg: coinbr looks pretty cool
rg: im glad someone finally fuckin did it
dub: swap.avi looks pretty cool too
Luceo: mircea_popescu: Some day that 50 BTC will be $50k :(
jcpham: the idea is sound really
Luceo: $500k to join an exchange? :P
dub: three chicks take turns eating each others dookie, vomiting it back out into their open assholes, then eating it again
jcpham: name a place where it is free to trade securities
BTC-Mining: Well... I'm sure a chair at any stock market is very costly...
BTC-Mining: That's why most go through brokers conntected the system doing electronic transactions.
mircea_popescu: "I've reviewed your posts, you are definitely not worth doing business with , but carry on. Iggy button on."
mircea_popescu: the only one thing i regret is that this btc being anon
Luceo: jcpham: cryptostocks :P
jcpham: is that the distributed thing
Luceo: Its Vircurex's one
BTC-Mining: It's your PR person mircea. People hate it. It's a troll.
jcpham: i'm sorry i'm thinging of the bond thing
jcpham: let's talk about that since you are here
mircea_popescu: BTC-Mining ya well, i'm really sorry I can't practically go "o, you're that cocky bullshitter talking back to my pr ? Fuck you, apologize, pay double or get lost".
sgornick: > jcpham: i'm sorry i'm thinging of the bond thing
sgornick: > let's talk about that since you are here
mircea_popescu: bitcoin is too full of people with absurd ideas about themselves.
sgornick: jcpham: Is that directed to me?
BTC-Mining: I think people are not fan of your bully like talk either Mircea =P
sgornick: Oh .. .ha .. that has happened like half a dozen times now.
mircea_popescu: sad fact of the matter is, things don't work w/o someone laying down the book ocasionally.
BTC-Mining: You don't attract investors by giving a 360 degrees "FUCK YOU! TOLD YOU SO!" all around all the time.
mircea_popescu: "hey, this guy is doing everything wrong and comes up on top all the time... hmm.. maybe I AM WRONG ?!?!"
BTC-Mining: I think it's more about people who can go over the talk and the fee because of the great issues on MPEx than anything else.
mircea_popescu: really, it's about the following fact : vapid idiots aren't investors. investors that are investors follow principles.
pigeons: but i wanna be an investor!
mircea_popescu: you don't close a contract by offering people free bonbons unless you're selling cheap shoes for the mass market.
teek: quite a shit pile we have turned this into guys
teek: and by we i mean - not me
teek: some of the others, wow.
BTC-Mining: I still believe you're hurting yourself. Attacking everything else without actually promoting yourself?
BTC-Mining: Not very professional. That PR person should defend MPEx when attacked and give info and answers about it.
BTC-Mining: Not attack others, if others are bad, real investors will come to the right place.
mircea_popescu: BTC-Mining mpex owns a market. some idiots keep insisting in diluting that market with obvious scams. it's her job to point this out.
mircea_popescu: and otherwise, mpex has supported (incl with donations) all sorts of beneficial people and initiatives.
BTC-Mining: If real investors needs to have the scams pointed out, then they're not really investors...
mircea_popescu: it's just a matter of, the bad guys have a little cartel going and they're defending each other with empty words.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15048 @ 0.00036366 = 5.4724 BTC [-]
dub: I support the bad guy cartel theory
dub: think of intersango, nefario, theymos.. all in the same place, know each other irl, all shady as fuck like some gang of limey grifters
boonies4u: is that where the fee to join mpex goes?
boonies4u: to fighting the evil scammer cartels?
boonies4u: I didn't know how much of mpex was traded
mircea_popescu: mm, you know it's reported monthly, there's a thread in btctalk
boonies4u: you just think 30 btc would go to more than just bills and dividends
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32952 @ 0.00036366 = 11.9833 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10648 @ 0.00036461 = 3.8824 BTC [+]
pigeons: thre goes mircea_popescu trading with himself again. except when he wears that black dress he actually thinks he's trading with someone else
BTC-Mining: I trade on MPEx, pretty sure all trades are legit.
BTC-Mining: Even if I don't like MP or his PR person's ways personally.
BTC-Mining: The exchange is fine as far as I'm concerned.
BTC-Mining: Yes, I keep saying this MPOE-PR keeps giving a bad name to his fine exchange.
rg: i was just saying hai
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9500 @ 0.00036361 = 3.4543 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18800 @ 0.00036361 = 6.8359 BTC [-]