Ukto: Diablo-D3: did nefario give out asset lists ?
Ukto: man, what a tryhard
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1217 @ 0.00040434 = 0.4921 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20257 @ 0.00040404 = 8.1846 BTC [-]
thestringpuller: But then again he can never do business in the BTC community again so it's kinda fair
Ukto: i think a few ppl prolly will
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8043 @ 0.00040404 = 3.2497 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34357 @ 0.00040399 = 13.8799 BTC [-]
BTC-Mining: Well, anyone seliing F.GIGA.ETF/S.BVPS?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22000 @ 0.00040399 = 8.8878 BTC [-]
rdponticelli: Now, who knows, it may turn into the main site to exchange it, or it may be renderer useless...
BTC-Mining: I actually purchased 534150 GIGA.ETF already eh
smickles: rdponticelli: how would it be rendered usless?
rdponticelli: Well, if for any cause ownership of the underlying can't be acertained
smickles: rdponticelli: i wonder if giga would just recognize the etf shares tho
smickles: The Owner will never own less shares of the underlying than the total float of this asset implies.
smickles: mircea_popescu would've broken his own contract to have ever sold those shares
rdponticelli: Yeah, but even if mircea_popescu owns those shares, the proof of that ownership is on glbse's hands
Diablo-D3: how are those etfs even functioning now
smickles: and i believe giga's signed receipt of the btc for the shares is in the contract too, so it's conceivable that he would honor it w/o any info coming from glbse
smickles: Diablo-D3: in the way 've just explained it
rdponticelli: smickles: yeah, there's a signed receipt for 900 shares
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4643 @ 0.00040399 = 1.8757 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11557 @ 0.0004035 = 4.6632 BTC [-]
rdponticelli: But on last dividend the exchange payed only 3 weeks
rdponticelli: So it seems like they were receiving their dividends through glbse
rdponticelli: mircea said they were paying the rest if/when the issue was solved
smickles: Diablo-D3: it's possible for giga to honor this arrangement with mircea w/o glbse involvement, so the shares have value
smickles: we'll se what actually happens tho
Diablo-D3: smickles: did mircea buy them directly from giga?
smickles: Diablo-D3: i dunno, but in this possibility, he could've bought them on glbse
Diablo-D3: I cant honor any of the dmc shares left out there until glbse hands over the data =/
smickles: yeah, those etf shares are unique to this kerfuflle
Diablo-D3: I wonder if I should just write off 800 btc and pretend it never existed
rdponticelli: Maybe we just should pretend bitcoin itself never existed...
Diablo-D3: rdponticelli: honestly, Im thinking about it
smickles: huh, what were we talking about?
rdponticelli: Diablo-D3: you aren't quitting bitcoin, right?
Diablo-D3: I cant say the effort I put into it has been worth it.
smickles: why does every p2pool block show up in the blockchain.info 'strange transactions' page?
Diablo-D3: blockchain.info doesnt like gen tx spam
Diablo-D3: surprised other pools dont pop up in it too
kakobrekla: 00:28.41 ( Diablo-D3 ) smickles: did mircea buy them directly from giga?
Diablo-D3: kakobrekla: thats why he can verify them, I guess
smickles: well, kakobrekla, by your word, then the etf should be in good shape
rdponticelli: kakobrekla: but last dividends, he paid only for 3 weeks
smickles: there has for some time been something like a depositary receipt of gigaminin on mpex
rdponticelli: And said the rest would be paid out if/when the issues got solved
kakobrekla: maybe giga is holding everything back?
rdponticelli: I don't know... he was concerned about legal stuff too...
kakobrekla: well mps words are "i pay what giga pays [directly to me]"
rdponticelli: kakobrekla: those were mircea's words, on dividend day:
rdponticelli: [09:53:54] <assbot> [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] [PAID] 1000000 @ 0.00003459 = 34.58804 BTC
rdponticelli: [09:55:38] <mircea_popescu> that's three weeks that were actually paid. if/when giga manages to sort out the glbbq mess there'll be more.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52300 @ 0.00040404 = 21.1313 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7100 @ 0.00040352 = 2.865 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18700 @ 0.00040476 = 7.569 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7800 @ 0.00040476 = 3.1571 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17200 @ 0.00040522 = 6.9698 BTC [+]
gribble: usagi was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 week, 2 days, 16 hours, 35 minutes, and 35 seconds ago: <usagi> We own 2000 shares.. should be good if glbse comes up :/
gribble: You rated user usagi on Mon Sep 17 19:56:21 2012, giving him a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: I have made a limited arangement with ~. we'll se how it goes.
smickles: ;;rate usagi -1 I have made a limited arangement with ~. we'll se how it goes. ~ is now late in paying and will have defaulted on the contract by the end of tody if action is not taken.
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating for user usagi has changed from 1 to -1.
smickles: well, really 'today' was over 3 min ago
smickles: but i'll give usagi until today is over in arizona time
Ukto: smickles: lol, you liked my ToS ? :P
smickles: Ukto: it's entertaining, at least :)
smickles: BTC-Mining: a loan from s²cm to cpa
Ukto: smickles: I just wanted to be very clear about things up front. :P
BTC-Mining: eh... well with GLBSE having the funds, you know...
smickles: BTC-Mining: glbse paid back funds today
smickles: ah, well, also, usagi claimed to have the funds to pay on this contract even after glbse went down
BTC-Mining: So... what is he doing, not showing up?
BTC-Mining: Who will I pay for all those BTC-Mining shares he held in BMF?
smickles: i sent off an email just a moment ago
smickles: today is the last day of a late payment date range
smickles: and I haven't seen/heardfrom usagi for about a week
smickles: BTC-Mining: want to see the contract? curious?
BTC-Mining: Nah, I'm sure it exists and the exact terms are not really of interest.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 200 @ 0.00040522 = 0.081 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3200 @ 0.00040572 = 1.2983 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21700 @ 0.00040592 = 8.8085 BTC [+]
BTC-Mining: Well, I might have just earned a few thousands at the expense of BMF's investors -.-
Ukto: wonder when nef. will give out asset lists
smickles: BTC-Mining: if i have proof that usagi owes me btc, and you have btc owed to usagi... would you mind sending it on to me :)
BTC-Mining: I don't know how much shares he had. But I suppose if he signed it with his gpg key, I could indeed pay interests to you for his debt.
smickles: BTC-Mining: it's signed alright ;) well wait to see if he defaults in arizona time, instead of UTC tho, give a little wiggleroom
smickles: if anyone is curious, i've decided to post the contract on bitbin
smickles: not good if he can't make an ~11 btc payment
BTC-Mining: "Lol just fuck off dude. You got nothing, and the best you can do is necroaccount and necrothread."
BTC-Mining: Wow... do I need to pick up Usagi's GLBSE account now or what?
smickles: BTC-Mining: awesome, eh? as he was about 7 hours (if we're using utc time) away from defaulting on a contract
smickles: not only late, thestringpuller, but outside of the late payment clause
smickles: check blockchain.info for the payment dates
smickles: thestringpuller: depends on what timezone we're using
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1500 @ 0.00040469 = 0.607 BTC [-]
thestringpuller: I feel a little bad for him. CPA was a pretty neat company.
smickles: if we go by jst, then he has about 8 hours to make an (approx.) 11 btc payment to hold off default, but remain late on todays payment
BTC-Mining: what the heck are you talking about, thestringpuller?
smickles: BTC-Mining: probably the declining volume over time
thestringpuller: I thought we were in the clear and it would stabilize at 12 USD
gribble: Best bid: 11.7122, Best ask: 11.75268, Bid-ask spread: 0.04048, Last trade: 11.79, 24 hour volume: 23280, 24 hour low: 11.496, 24 hour high: 12.03
smickles: wow, .1 usd off of the 24 hour weighted average?
smickles: lol, i mean, it's likely nefario has/had more btc than I do, but damn, i'm sure he's a small fish
BTC-Mining: and there's many other people claiming to have been paid =/
smickles: 1 of 3 of my accounts was paid
dub: nobody is claiming he restored the former value of their shares
BTC-Mining: yeah, I was strictly talking of balances
smickles: does any sane person expect that?
smickles: thestringpuller: mpex falls under the romainian version of the sec, if at all
noagendamarket: unless he basically gets everything thats left over after the payouts he wont release the asset details
BTC-Mining: the SEC has no freaking jurisdiction around the whole freaking globe
smickles: thestringpuller: those romainian lawyers see bitcoin as WOW gold
dub: smickles: as long as these 'sane' people aren't also congratulating nefario on handling this in the best way possible
smickles: and the mpex securities as part of a computer game
smickles: dub: that sort of 'sane' person would be an asshat
BTC-Mining: Can people stop talking about the SEC like it was some global organisation?
dub: theres basically no way to cut it that doesnt paint nefario is a moronic scammer
BTC-Mining: Well, unless someone proves me he's been blackmailing, I can only know for sure that he's a poor decision maker.
pigeons: mircea_popescu: < noagendamarket> unless he [nefario] basically gets everything thats left over after the payouts he wont release the asset details
mircea_popescu: rdponticelli the float growed a little, but it wasn't ever much more than 1.2-1.3k or so.
pigeons: smickles: did CPA need to make payouts at some point? is that what the loan was for?
smickles: pigeons: depending on the timezone you use, usagi/cpa is about to or has just recently defaulted
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla that buy was pre-glbse ipo, giga delivered shares on glbse, it's not a private agreement in any way.
rdponticelli: And is allowed by the contract, as long as you have the backinv
smickles: pigeons: "3. Payments will be made each Sunday until six payments have been made.
pigeons: smickles: yeah i was wondering what cpa's purpose was for the original loan. did they use it to pay something they insured??
pigeons: its one thing for usagi to be a tool, its another that he got mad when people pointed it out
smickles: pigeons: oh, i think it may have been used to buy back shares of something or other
smickles: but that would be a speculative statement
pigeons: well good luck with recovery
kakobrekla: ah mircea_popescu, so you are glbse dependend... sorry then, i was sure you werent.
pigeons: well usagi is concentrating on paying rent
pigeons: he borrowed against his salary
mircea_popescu: <noagendamarket> unless he basically gets everything thats left over after the payouts he wont release the asset details <<< and to think you've been an ass all over the forum @ the girl.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31800 @ 0.0004035 = 12.8313 BTC [-]
smickles: pigeons: if he knew that he couldn't pay, then he should've at least contacted me to work something out
mircea_popescu: pigeons i was just reading that, didn't know they're leaking it out now.
pigeons: smickles: absolutely. i'm not excusing shim
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla inasmuch as the giga holdings, i was. guy wouldn't keep it private, what can i tell you.
gribble: Best bid: 11.57411, Best ask: 11.5999, Bid-ask spread: 0.02579, Last trade: 11.57411, 24 hour volume: 23229, 24 hour low: 11.496, 24 hour high: 12.03
dub: slow loads, ajax faggotry broken
smickles: oh jeez, i don't recall if i was long or short with my option position :o
dub: possibly the shitcocks operating my corp network
gribble: Best bid: 11.57411, Best ask: 11.5998, Bid-ask spread: 0.02569, Last trade: 11.57419, 24 hour volume: 23239, 24 hour low: 11.496, 24 hour high: 12.03
dub: FUCK SELL ALL THE COINS
BTC-Mining: I also complained about "the girl", not for believing that GLBSE was a scam (She's free to believe whatever she wants) but for supporting her claims with unfounded statements and speculations which were false and presented as established facts.
dub: thestringpuller: first week in bitcoin eh?
thestringpuller: dub: no I just didn't think the damage done by GLBSE would reach this far
dub: thestringpuller: I'd suggest its not, this is a tiny movement
mircea_popescu: BTC-Mining on one hand that's a gross exaggeration, on the other there's little similarity between you and the bitcoin.me fellow.
pigeons: "the girl" is what mircea_popescu calls himself when we talk on skype
dub: the real question is, where is the uncropped avatar pic
dub: Diablo-D3: that'll e why nefario closed glbse..
dub: noagendamarket: exactly, NEEDS MOAR PENIX
pigeons: skype/adultfriendfinder/chatroulette/whatever
dub: mircea_popescu: internet
BTC-Mining: <mircea_popescu> BTC-Mining on one hand that's a gross exaggeration
BTC-Mining: What? She claimed among other things, for example, that Usagi was appointed by Nefario to manage a review panel deciding on what would or would not be allowed on GLBSE.
mircea_popescu: BTC-Mining that's afaik the only thing she said that you actually disputed, and you disputed it by your own testimony.
mircea_popescu: re-read your statement above, compare with "1 case where i personally don't agree with what she said". it doesn't wash.
jesica: what's up, hot stuff *kisu kisu*
BTC-Mining: yeah, but her posting history if full of such contested facts which she eventually admits she doesn't actually know if they're true or not.
pigeons: greatest country in the world
pigeons: my sister is #1 prostiture in all of romanistan
jesica: She claimed among other things, for example, that Usagi was appointed by Nefario to manage a review panel deciding on what would or would not be allowed on GLBSE."" << i know that claim to be tru and have email logs of the pannel
BTC-Mining: arf, I don't want to browse her history again. But next time I see one, I'll report it to you if you want
mircea_popescu: BTC-Mining lol actually, i think if i dig in the logs i can find usagi making the exact claim.
Diablo-D3: did someone just claim they're 19 and female?
mircea_popescu: then again you can prolly find usagi making any claim you arbitrarily want to check for.
mircea_popescu: total troll, whodda thunk it. he looks so prim and proper...
mircea_popescu: well he seemed ok for a while but then turned complete bonkerette.
BTC-Mining: True, she based her fact on something Usagi claimed...
smickles: given enough time, the controversial rate of any bitcoiner goes to 1
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 7800 @ 0.0032 = 24.96 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 67200 @ 0.00337 = 226.464 BTC [+]
smickles: BTC-Mining: is this about that pannel existing?
Diablo-D3: actually, if usagi is supposed to be a japanese princess
mircea_popescu: fuck can keep track of it all, but it hardly amounts to what you're making out of it i think.
Diablo-D3: you'd think we could get a statement from a professional tentacle deamon on this
BTC-Mining: No, about Usagi managing said panel and panel having authority to determine if assets were to be listed or not.
mircea_popescu: but wait. as to the later part : what else was it a panel for ? masturbatory onanism ?
BTC-Mining: He never was appointed by Nefario or given any decisive power
dub: wait, you mean usagi isnt a samurai rabbit?
Diablo-D3: usagi said there was going to be a panel and the glbse board signed off on it
Diablo-D3: nefario and usagi both said a few lies about that
BTC-Mining: As far as I know, there never was such a thing. Usagi proposed it and Nefario was considering.
Diablo-D3: no, nefario actually was repeating what usagi said
mircea_popescu: BTC-Mining the problem with nefario's statements is that he often contradicts what he pretended last time
mircea_popescu: i tend to recall this ridiculous Ven thing being a bluechip asset.
smickles: heh, BTC-Mining have you seen the founding post of that group?
Diablo-D3: noagendamarket: or "dmc will be shut down, diablo will go to bitcoin prison, and we'll get down to the truth"
Diablo-D3: and then he discovered the truth and didnt quite like it.
BTC-Mining: I also seem to have killed a scam accusation against MPEx
dub: did usagi get tagged in the end?
mircea_popescu: i guess it wasn't immediately obvious to people that as long as they keep the deposit slip they can prove depositing
mircea_popescu: in truth, much of the beauty of gpg is lost on the avg internet user.
BTC-Mining: I must admit I don't really keep them =/
noagendamarket: lol Jonathan ERyan owens doesnt even have a scammer tag and Nefario does
BTC-Mining: But yeah, if I wanted to keep them/have a proof, it's all there
markac: smickles: GLBSE Asset Review Board - BitBin
mircea_popescu: noagendamarket yes, at real estate development. with money. that they...umm... had.
smickles: what i posted there are the exact words describing the glbse pannel usagi used
pigeons: yeah but no more scamming for them, now it's real estate ;)
BTC-Mining: Yeah, it ended up being a suggestion only panel, not decision making panel.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller well they claimed that dwolla stole their money and closed.
BTC-Mining: And Nefario never actually gave Usagi management of the panel list
mircea_popescu: its still unclear how much money they made off with tho.
smickles: BTC-Mining: yeah, that was lol, wasn't it
noagendamarket: Nefario wont take suggestions from hisown shareholders ffs
mircea_popescu: maybe tghey just hire ed, and bruce starts shittalking them.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54900 @ 0.00040367 = 22.1615 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10013 @ 0.00040592 = 4.0645 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46200 @ 0.00040612 = 18.7627 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10896 @ 0.00040617 = 4.4256 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: besides, is bruce wagner even his real name ? iirc it was some famous guy in thr 50s
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61400 @ 0.00040651 = 24.9597 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30700 @ 0.00040804 = 12.5268 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20548 @ 0.00040869 = 8.3978 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45298 @ 0.00040916 = 18.5341 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1200 @ 0.00041062 = 0.4927 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15600 @ 0.00041243 = 6.4339 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26100 @ 0.00041287 = 10.7759 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52600 @ 0.00041436 = 21.7953 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9750 @ 0.00041788 = 4.0743 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1414795 @ 0.00042 = 594.2139 BTC [+]
smickles: well, with btc tanking, those shares look cheaper and cheaper
mircea_popescu: not sure what people are so excited about, i doubt this month will equal last.
mircea_popescu: well seriously, outside of the adam&mark bunch over at mtgox, who exactly is trustworthy atm
smickles: well, no one in this room, ofc
mircea_popescu: i guess the gold people, casascicusasciuscu, coingenuity and who else... that us gold coins thing still in business ?
BTC-Mining: yeah, who trust pigeons? They only tarnish monuments in cities and steal food. Not very trustable.
smickles: my bot has made 18% in about a week
mircea_popescu: pigeons can be trusted to make a pretty decent meal...
dub: yeah.. aslo syphalis
mircea_popescu: even theymos made a good impression in the end with his entire shares thing.
noagendamarket: satoshi left because eventually everyone will end up with a scammer tag lol
mircea_popescu: no actually, if you actually hanker down and count heads, the scammers aren't a majority. they just seem like it cause they get more press.
mircea_popescu: when's the last time anyone bothered with the good people.
smickles: BTC-Mining: all it's doing is taking the bitfloor liquidity rebate
mircea_popescu: must suck if any of their schoolmates had glbse shares.
smickles: hey, i'm married and have a kid
BTC-Mining: No, married people are less trustworthy and more at the same time. More because they can't afford prison... less because they can't afford prison...
mircea_popescu: confucius say, two husbands more trustworthy than one.
smickles: i should've married that tree when i had the chance
BTC-Mining: smickles: wow, a tree? You totally should have.
smickles: dammit mircea_popescu, stealing my thunder
thestringpuller: "The king asks Archimedes to determine if a present he's received is actually solid gold. Unsolved problem at the time. It tortures the great Greek mathematician for weeks - insomnia haunts him and he twists and turns in his bed for nights on end. Finally, his equally exhausted wife - she's forced to share a bed with this genius - convinces him to take a bath to relax. While he's entering the tub, Archimedes not
mircea_popescu: archimedes wasn't even married, it was his slavegirl cooksucker.
smickles: i thought you wern't supposed to mention that guy noagendamarket
mircea_popescu: but srsly, we don't know if he was ever married or had kids.
novusordo: cooksucker? she sucked at cooking?
mircea_popescu: then again 80% of statistics are only true 20% of the time.
BTC-Mining: [21:38] <novusordo> cooksucker? she sucked at cooking?
coingenuity: go figure, i was distracted sending work emails :P
mircea_popescu: someone said the scammers managed a 51% attack so we were counting people
noagendamarket: using bitcoin is like wearing a miniskirt at 12am in a city...you might not get raped but it increases the odds
dub: you might not ognna get raped
dub: correct, and miniskirt == willing
novusordo: well, unless she's wearing a locked chastity belt and left the key at home
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43400 @ 0.00040857 = 17.7319 BTC [-]
noagendamarket: probably dont want to go near anything with teeth though :P
dub: confusious say: broken jaw bites no cock
BTC-Mining: Alien says: I could bioengineer your human females with retractable teeth in the neither region so they can bit off rapists
dub: they tried that in africa
BTC-Mining: Alien also says: I could even add an instinct to devour their partner for further nourishment of the offsprings
dub: spikey fleshlight thing that inserts in vagoo to 'discourage rape'
dub: in fact it 'guaranteed murder'
BTC-Mining: Gets the genitals entraped in a nice inward razorsharp teethed tunnel
BTC-Mining: Free permanent adornment when you pull out.
BTC-Mining: You might want to go to the hospital to get it removed, but it kind of shows everyone you forced yourself into a woman
dub: mircea_popescu: what raping people?
dub: oh, theres also the whole 'rape cures aids' thing
dub: if you rape enough virgins your aids is cured
dub: works really well now that o/~ everyone has aids o/~
dub: mrs dub is on holiday in tropical location, keeps sending me pictures to enjoy while slaving at my desk
BTC-Mining: [22:02] <dub> oh, theres also the whole 'rape cures aids' thing
BTC-Mining: You are mistaken my little friend. The myth is that if you rape enough virgins while you got AIDS, you'll be like everyone once again. Except everyone now has AIDS.
BTC-Mining: Just returns you to being like the majority, really.
dub: its been widely reported for years
dub: of course not much of anything is reported in 'murrica
dub: I think it was einstein that said 'what has africa ever given us, apart from aids'
dub: aint he one o dem musilins
mircea_popescu: actually... this is now making sense. really fast runners...
noagendamarket: you would run too if people are trying to rape your baby
BTC-Mining: [22:10] <dub> I think it was einstein that said 'what has africa ever given us, apart from aids'
dub: thats just genetics, only the fast ones escape form slavers/police
BTC-Mining: Slaves. Once upon a time in some very cheerful bedtime stories, European cultures thought Africans were free-to-take laborers just idling there doing nothing waiting for masters.
BTC-Mining: Seems like it was the most stupid idea ever.
mircea_popescu: BTC-Mining actually, it was locals selling them mostly.
mircea_popescu: the dutch just landed the ships and the local chieftains sprung up the goods.
mircea_popescu: much alike how things go today, actually, you'll be accosted by men with offers of fresh cunt multiple times a week.
BTC-Mining: Eh, true, they were kidnapping each others tribes too.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16500 @ 0.00041189 = 6.7962 BTC [+]
BTC-Mining: But were the slaves' children considered slaves too?
BTC-Mining: eh, well some still just went on expedition to take them.
dub: they are sometimes all that is left after you eat the adults
dub: oh wait, we're still talkign about africa
BTC-Mining: There's still tons of negative repercussions till this day.
noagendamarket: some of the convicts sent to Australia descended into cannibalism a few times
Azelphur: I always thought he was a cooperative pumpkin
BTC-Mining: smickles, I meant, your statement was very badly placed out of context
noagendamarket: you cant say he didnt tell you = entrapment cos it was in his name the whole time
copumpkin: noagendamarket: that's also bullshit :)
gribble: Best bid: 11.552, Best ask: 11.65, Bid-ask spread: 0.09800, Last trade: 11.65091, 24 hour volume: 23792, 24 hour low: 11.496, 24 hour high: 12.03
gribble: Best bid: 11.55001, Best ask: 11.6499, Bid-ask spread: 0.09989, Last trade: 11.55001, 24 hour volume: 23794, 24 hour low: 11.496, 24 hour high: 12.03
smickles: it's been tomorrow for like 11.5 hour!
dub: timezones, how do they work
dub: I had faith in it scamming
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating for user usagi has changed from -1 to -3.
smickles: thestringpuller: thanks for the sympathy
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21900 @ 0.00041354 = 9.0565 BTC [+]
noagendamarket: smickles are you going to make a forum post about it ?
BTC-Mining: Guess I might end up paying Usagi's debt
dub: I should start a scam calling service
dub: I'm at 100% accuracy
thestringpuller: Do scams have to be malcious in intent (take the money and run) or can it just be inept business practices?
thestringpuller: like for instance someone having all their money under a mattress and the house burns down...
BTC-Mining: I would say they would have to be malicious intent. Otherwise we'd call that mismanagement/ineptitude.
BTC-Mining: Like for murder, it has to be a malicious intent. If it's accidental and you're at fault, it's not murder but manslaughter
BTC-Mining: Only if he doesn't claim his BTC-Mining shares
BTC-Mining: I would pay interest to smickles instead
thestringpuller: I see cause you'll retain those outstanding shares of Usagi?
thestringpuller: Are scammer tags reversable? or is it pretty much a done deal?
BTC-Mining: If he claims them at a later date, he'd have no more debt but less dividends owed.
BTC-Mining: You should not be afraid to put them up temporarily until matter are resolved.
BTC-Mining: Sets red flags for others to see until matters are resolved
smickles: < BTC-Mining> I would pay interest to smickles instead << that's honorable, thank you for even considering it :)
thestringpuller: well if your an insurance company you need to mitigate your risks appropriately
thestringpuller: otherwise if shit hits the fan the only thing you can do is merge with another insurance company
thestringpuller: his policy reserves were depleted during the default and never recovered
noagendamarket: the idea of a btc insurance company at this stage is retarded
smickles: thestringpuller: i think it was glbse going down that did 'em in
BTC-Mining: I was completly spared from piratey troubles for avoiding pirate altogether
BTC-Mining: Except a bit of margin trading on the various bonds
thestringpuller: noagendamarket: if you have good underwriting you limit your exposure to scams
thestringpuller: noagendamarket: that's because there is no stable investments to put your policy surplus into to make a decent ROI
thestringpuller: the only option i would see is liquidating the surplus and putting it into global markets
thestringpuller: The way I see CPA is that they were exposed to pirate, and they invested in pirate pt
thestringpuller: so when he defaulted, he had to pay out pirate policies, and he lost money on the investments
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35267 @ 0.00041354 = 14.5843 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9300 @ 0.00041636 = 3.8721 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8421 @ 0.00042 = 3.5368 BTC [+]
noagendamarket: scammers and the lack of non defaulting assets really kills the idea
smickles: qwebirc556225: it's the weekend dip
Ukto: nah, all the govt employees incharge of buying up btc etc are off work for the weekend :P
BTC-Mining: qwebirc556225: it's not really a big fall... pretty minor
dub: my peepeecoins are growing!
BTC-Mining: If you'd look at price history, you can see it varies a lot even over the last month
BTC-Mining: It's not like traditional currency pairs like USD/EURO
Ukto: alot has happened over the last month :/
BTC-Mining: Price moves a lot on small transactions simply by low liquitity volumes.
Ukto: as we get closer to halftime, it should go up more
thestringpuller: but from what I recall in order for miners who have paid for equipment, they only need 4USD/BTC to cover electricity costs and remain profitable
dub: for GPUs its quite a lot higher with avg power price
dub: FPGA will be lower than that
dub: what are you assuming power price to be?
BTC-Mining: arf, I'd pay dividends owed to him to smickles instead
dub: thestringpuller: so assuming 10mh/w its break even is under a dollar
dub: 10mh/w is a vaniall lx150
dub: vanilla too, I think they commonly run at +25%
dub: mircea_popescu: current
dub: id say we'll be well over 3000th in a year
mircea_popescu: so at 300th, taking that number out of an arsehat, $4 becomes $40
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9489 @ 0.00041666 = 3.9537 BTC [-]
smickles: well, usagi has contacted me now
smickles: it wants an alternative payment plan
smickles: noagendamarket: nope, netorare
dub: i'd like to go to antarctica at some stage
dub: my biddy has been there
thestringpuller: then if they wanted to put me in jail they'd have to find me
dub: its quite cold there atm
dub: ozone hole sucking space in
dub: its repairing itself apparently
noagendamarket: yeah they banned a lot of the chemicals that were causing it
dub: no more styrofoam burger boxes
smickles: that's why those burger boxes went away?
thestringpuller: i feel that the people on silk road are more trustworthy than most btc users
thestringpuller: the be like the mafia? if people don't pay break their knees?
noagendamarket: if you cant get justice using the legal system thats the alternative
smickles: everything is a scam because none of the big thefts and scams have had any significant consequences yet
noagendamarket: kinda hard when they live on the other side of the world
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller actually the mafia collecting records are worse than the govt's.
smickles: seriously, the should just secede already
noagendamarket: scammers will destroy btc before the government gets a chance too
thestringpuller: as long as SR exists btc will always have a place on the internet
dub: people just need to be more enterprising
dub: its retardedly cheap to have physical harm befall people in most places
noagendamarket: wheer you can bet when pirate will get his legs broken
smickles: jeez, no one like my texas joke?
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: "And yes, I’m saving some Bitcoins in a special wallet precisely to pay for the amusement of fucking interns in the oval office. The cigars are on the house." that made me laugh
smickles: yeah, but really, you are :P 'merica rulz the world,, didn't you know the sec regulates securities worldwide
mircea_popescu: better buy some viagra then, who knows how many interns 25btc buys
noagendamarket: lol. Imagine if you had liquid viagra and dumped it in the water supply
thestringpuller: it'll be like a post apocalyptic world without the nuclear holocaust
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26400 @ 0.00041741 = 11.0196 BTC [+]
dub: wat is coinbr again?
mircea_popescu: i hated that glbse was mostly a vehicle for pushing toxic assets to the naive.
thestringpuller: if there was a way to "collect" like in the physical world it wouldn't have been as bad
noagendamarket: they probably wont do anything about scamming till a politician gets ripped off lol
smickles: man, i should've found a way to scam the funds form my mortgage into btc back in 2008
dub: if you want to conspiracy theorize it might be thier plan to let btc scam itself out of existence
smickles: now that is waht bitcoin is for
thestringpuller: Didn't a US senator give the DEA a bunch of money to shutdown Silk Road
dub: pretty sweet honeypot
smickles: how much money does it take to get to the center of an onion?
smickles: dub: they did change their .onion address
dub: USG has a long history of letting crime continue in their interests
smickles: and the drug trad is in the gov't interest
dub: there was an infographic floating around the other day, I think I pasted here
smickles: thestringpuller: the one you emaild to me? or this destructo community provacatauro
dub: showing drug addiction rates over time (static) vs. War on Drugs spend (zomg)
smickles: thestringpuller: Yeah, i think that is a good idea if you can keep expenses low enough to attact business
smickles: btc -> cash in pocket in about one biz day w/o needing a bank account, i think it'll work
thestringpuller: that is if the check is as liquid as a moneygram/moneyorder
smickles: most banks will let you cash that free of charge
smickles: although, now, i think they take a fingerprint to do it
midnightmagic: that's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. For a cashier's/certified cheque?!
thestringpuller: and makes you put your fingerprint on the back of the check
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12400 @ 0.00041755 = 5.1776 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19500 @ 0.00041666 = 8.1249 BTC [-]
Diablo-D3: smickles: I think Im glad I didnt hire you in the end
Diablo-D3: smickles: you'd be trying to scammer thread me because glbse stole dmc's money :<
noagendamarket: there wasnt much left of dmc for glbse to take aft5er youy finished with it :P
smickles: Diablo-D3: usagi told me that he had the btc AFTER glbse went down
smickles: and then didn't contact me when he clearly knew he was going to default
Diablo-D3: noagendamarket: no, what was left of dmc was what glbse didnt already steal
smickles: Diablo-D3: i would assume you would not do something like that. A little communication goes a long way
Diablo-D3: yeah, I'd at least warn you ahead of time that dmc suddenly became non-existant
smickles: you know, s2cm is actually still operating :/
smickles: thestringpuller: heh, we're still operating, but we're going to dissolve when we get the shareholder info from glbse
smickles: part of our operation is collecting from usagi
smickles: thestringpuller: i bet there are people who have trustable claim to shares of s2cm who would sell them to you
Diablo-D3: smickles: so basically the entire bitstreet is closing up
smickles: Diablo-D3: well, i dunno, we're disolving s2cm, but i'm launching an accounting company
Azelphur: I can sell ss shares, depending on what your offering
thestringpuller: Everyone is closing their doors cause no one trusts anyone
mircea_popescu: dub the way i see it, the scams are actually a passive benefit
mircea_popescu: all the people who aren't scamming are gaining +rep with every scam.
mircea_popescu: may seem expensive, but a great way to build a community FOR REAL.
Azelphur: smickles: did you see the email that went out today btw
smickles: Azelphur: the one where it said, you should've received you btc?
smickles: yeah, s2cm didn't get one satoshi
Azelphur: Your GLBSE account has been processed for bitcoin. The next step will be to send you information about your assets, and to provide this information to issuers (if you agreed) allowing you to continue your relationship with your issuers.
Azelphur: that would be such a travesty to loose xD
Azelphur: the economy will never recover
Azelphur: we might as well pack up and go home now
Azelphur: I got my 10.1 btc out of glbse
Azelphur: now I'm waiting on clipse, bs&t and glbse (assets)
Azelphur: money trapped in investments: ~1700 btc
Azelphur: spread your money out, surely it can't all go wrong at the same time!
dub: whats teh latest on clipse
dub: still 'end of october'?
Azelphur: dub: seems like he's en route for a scammer tag
Azelphur: dub: wasn't that end of september
Azelphur: he said end of september, then he said 12th oct, and now he signed in but hasn't updated anyone
dub: I've seen no comms lately, I though he said end october then brought it forward
smickles: Azelphur: go play some FTL, it'll help :)
Azelphur: oh nope, you are right, it is end of october
thestringpuller: smickles: what were the outstanding shares for september? (looking at S^2 fin reports)
Azelphur: although he says that in order to pay out in october he needs people to mine, and his pool has been down for nearly 24h now
dub: well, SA is a REALLY cheap place to have someone whacked ;)
dub: like can of coke cheap
Azelphur: I know people who live in SA too
smickles: thestringpuller: all issued shares were outstanding, and the number should be in the notes of the report
dub: I know a contract killer in SA :)
Azelphur: sometimes I think it'd be cool if you could hire someone to steal a scammers car and sell it in order to pay back people who had been scammed, or something
Azelphur: in my dreams sort of cool, not in reality
Azelphur: dub: it's really bad because in his thread early on he specifically says he don't invest in BS&T which is why I left so much in there, as another investment
dub: with pirate I'd steal his cimputers :)
Azelphur: and now he blames BS&T for not being able to pay people back
dub: in fact I can't believe someone hasnt
Azelphur: noagendamarket: that's what I said in the scammer thread.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14900 @ 0.000419 = 6.2431 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15700 @ 0.00042 = 6.594 BTC [+]
Azelphur: "No I dont put the mining funds directly in BTCST" ... and now "aside from the fact BTCST should have paid out by now"
Azelphur: thestringpuller: they did that 1/100 split now, so many zeros xD
Azelphur: they split the shares up by 100 I think
Azelphur: so people with 1 shares got 100 shares
Azelphur: smickles: it was 100 split right?
smickles: and it was a good plan, util glbse folded
Azelphur: thestringpuller: it was originally 2.5, then they split the shares up to make it easier to trade, so if I bought 1 share at the beginning at 2.5, I would have had 100 shares worth 0.025 now
smickles: thestringpuller: what did you mean by 'original value'?
Azelphur: the IPO value was 1.0 then they did a second issuing at 2.0
Azelphur: I sold a bunch of shares at 2.5 before the second issuing
smickles: s2 originally launched with 500 shares at 1
smickles: then issued 305 @ 2 (the market average) later on
Azelphur: thestringpuller: my history with SS is basically, I bought a buttload at launch at 1.0, sold em all for between 1.8 and 2.5, then bought again at 2.0 in the second issuance
smickles: then did a 100 for 1 split some time later
Azelphur: I imagine it's not too much of an alternative now, as soon as GLBSE puts out the info it's shutting down anyway
smickles: thestringpuller: i'll be compiling the next reports tomorrow
Azelphur: so A) GLBSE puts info out and then you get bought out and it's over
Azelphur: B) GLBSE doesn't put info out...and your screwed, forever.
Azelphur: as much as I'd like to sell SS shares right now, gotta tell it like it is lol
smickles: heh, mpex is either options, or hardly anything else, but better anything else than glbse had
noagendamarket: imagine if you burnt your workplace down and asked the boss for your wages still lol
smickles: yeah, not that i know exactly what we're liquidating at, but buying SS @ 2.5 is probably a loss
Azelphur: smickles: aim high and negociate lower ;)
Azelphur: smickles: have you heard the zeekrewards and BS&T rumors?
Azelphur: talking to yourself like a pro there :p
Azelphur: I lefe things behind all the time
thestringpuller: I might as well just make a business instead of trying to bu y one
thestringpuller: heh "Bitcoin is in fact first and foremost a wonderful community of highly skilled, intelligent and open minded people which tearfully reminds one of the old days of the pre-September Internet." heh
smickles: thestringpuller: do you have an mpex account? they're expensive, although i thing coinbr.com setup a brokerage site for mpex
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31254 @ 0.00042 = 13.1267 BTC [+]
Diablo-D3: [12:41:08] <smickles> Diablo-D3: well, i dunno, we're disolving s2cm, but i'm launching an accounting company
smickles: Diablo-D3: i've got clients lined up :P
thestringpuller: smickles: not yet even though I could drop the cash on it I can't warrant the expenditure if I can't be sure I'll make the money back
Diablo-D3: smickles: but our tiny little backwoods wall street wannabe is dead
smickles: thestringpuller: well, to justify 30 btc, you'd probaby have to use margin and make a good call, eh?
thestringpuller: smickles: I'm not that good ;) I would have to have help for sure.
Diablo-D3: [12:41:13] <thestringpuller> Everyone is closing their doors cause no one trusts anyone
Diablo-D3: thestringpuller: yes, thats my reason to shut dmc
thestringpuller: I'll be patient and wait for more companies to ipo on mpex before I invest in an account
Diablo-D3: every company Ive tried to invest in so dmc can get there faster has pretty much fucked us one way or another
smickles: thestringpuller: coinbr is probably for you then
Diablo-D3: the irony is DMC's plan made that moot
Diablo-D3: we could have mined everyone else under the table
Diablo-D3: but everyone decided to just be a bunch of faggots, so fuck it
noagendamarket: its not like you can invest in mt gox or bitinstant :P
Diablo-D3: not that Im going to, but if I ever start another company, Im only going to deal with professional VC firms
Diablo-D3: not a bunch of fucking aspies flailing their arms because they invested in something they didnt understand wouldnt pay out their original investment for 2+ years
smickles: lol, Diablo-D3 don't vc firms look for 15x their original investment in 1 year?
noagendamarket: I can double my investment inn 2 years simply by buying a house and living in it lol
Diablo-D3: smickles: theres a few that are fucking retarded, but they're known
Diablo-D3: theres _no one_ in the bitcoin community who knows what they're doing
thestringpuller: smickles: yes that do, but they also think that if 15-20% of the companies they invested in give them that ROI it's a "good year"
Diablo-D3: thestringpuller: smickles didnt want to invest in dmc
Diablo-D3: smickles also didnt have 200k btc.
noagendamarket: because he knew what he was doing he didnt invest in dmc
Diablo-D3: noagendamarket: not at all, he didn't think the rest of the community could pony up the cash
thestringpuller: (I keep thinking DMC stands for the Delorean Motors Company)
dub: Derp Mining Crapshoot
thestringpuller: Diablo-D3: is your mining equipment paid for or is it for sell or...
BTC-Mining: yeah, but last transactions dates from March 2012...
BTC-Mining: way before the website or pirate defaulted...
dub: Damage My Credibility
dub: ^ worked for Diablo-D3
dub: Downvote My Comments, no thats his hn
noagendamarket: unless it paid above 5% no one was interested in any assets
mircea_popescu: <Azelphur> #flawedlogic << how much did you have in mpex ?
mircea_popescu: noagendamarket actually,t his is false. mpoe.etf made about 1200% over ipo price
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5911 @ 0.00041666 = 2.4629 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15636 @ 0.00041602 = 6.5049 BTC [-]
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: does the bitcoin community really remind you of the pre-September internet?
Diablo-D3: no, I paid other people to do that
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40073 @ 0.00042 = 16.8307 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51600 @ 0.00041993 = 21.6684 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54800 @ 0.00042 = 23.016 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: a. i am going to pluck any bird i feel like ; b. i am going to make soup out of any turtle i get my hands on.
mircea_popescu: anyone doesn't like it better bring fucking enough ammo.
BTC-Mining: But the zergling is all cuddly, grabbing you and nibbling at your internal organs.
BTC-Mining: I think the crime here is politicians rushing through new laws for their public opinion.
mircea_popescu: fucking muppets ranting on about what the sec bla bla ?
BTC-Mining: Also, did you know that those muppets might be making some of the criminal laws? Not all laws are voted by the representatives.
BTC-Mining: Many regulations are made by expert in their fields but who have poor or no understanding of criminal law and it's intent.
BTC-Mining: The website summarize the issue nicely.
BTC-Mining: Although the problem of "broad/uncomprehensible laws" has been quite an issue globally, in many nations.
mircea_popescu: it also explains why the united states has no room and no place in civilised society.
mircea_popescu: can go hang out with gabon, sierra leone and the rest.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 500 @ 0.00041993 = 0.21 BTC [-]
BTC-Mining: Well, you seem to be overreacting to laws being too broad in the US by creating another broad law:
BTC-Mining: [03:10] <mircea_popescu> it is now a crime to be american.
BTC-Mining: Are you sure you aren't part of the problem?
BTC-Mining: eh, and I wasn't really serious, just pointing out it was a rather harsh and excessive stance.
mircea_popescu: no it's not. it's perfectly commensurate with the offence.
BTC-Mining: Eh, "americans" are just born in the US, not a direct cause of everything that happens in the US
mircea_popescu: people that dare organise into such a state are hostes humani gener
mircea_popescu: listen, if you're part of some mob cause "you grew up into it" you still go to jail.
BTC-Mining: Well that would be something applied too broadly... Not everyone in the US agree with the US.
mircea_popescu: seems to me if you pay the mob boss you're in the mob, whether you *claim* disagreement or not.
BTC-Mining: Depends on the individual. Most people in every country pays taxes. Doesn't mean they all support 100% of the state.
BTC-Mining: I don't see how you could reasonably expect someone who object to any single law in a country to be able to move somewhere that has no rules they disagree with.
BTC-Mining: Unless everyone lived in their own one-man nation.
mircea_popescu: you don't have to move. you just send them your citizenship in the mail and be done with it.
BTC-Mining: Except that doesn't really work that way...
BTC-Mining: Since when will any government anywhere accept to take citizenship back and accept you stop paying any taxes? Tough luck on getting that through.
mircea_popescu: if you're not a citizen and are paying taxes i dun care, you're not liable.
mircea_popescu: i've paid taxes in maybe twenty jurisdictions so far, i don't see why anyone could claim i have anything to do with them.
BTC-Mining: How do you even renounce citizenship? You never agreed to that.
BTC-Mining: The state just decided by itself to consider you a citizen based on it's own set of rules, without your accord.
mircea_popescu: nah. you were born one. your citizenship really predates any law other than the consitution
mircea_popescu: peopel tend to forget the state is much ulterior in the process.
BTC-Mining: I try to completly make abstraction of the state/whatever is in place and consider each individual individually for their own actions and intent.
BTC-Mining: Regardless of their citizenship/government.
BTC-Mining: If I see they support something I don't agree with, then I object.
mircea_popescu: but they are actively engaged in a criminal entreprise
mircea_popescu: us data : There were between 222-235 renunciants in 2008, between 731-743 in 2009, and about 1485 in 2010; In 2011, there were 1781 renunciants.
EskimoBob: can you 2 figure out how to "legalize" all the fake securities that are issued/promoted in the forum? At least you spend your energy on something useful :)
BTC-Mining: That's like me saying you doing business like dinning out in a mob's restaurant is being actively engaged in a criminal enterprise. You have dealings with it, it doesn't mean you know or support what they do. You simply pay them for a service. Same with citizens paying taxes.
mircea_popescu: EskimoBob not really interested in forum bs "securities", but tell me more about the assets-otc lame mpex clone.
BTC-Mining: Now the issue is, there will be laws you don't agree with in every country. And pretty much every country charges taxes one way or another.
EskimoBob: mircea_popescu: sorr, let me rephrase thet: "legalize" all the fake securities that are issued/promoted in the mpex
mircea_popescu: obviously not laws are perfect. what we're discussing here are laws that are criminal in themselves.
BTC-Mining: I'm pretty sure if even if they don't abound, we could at least find a few falling under that definition of yours in romanian laws.
EskimoBob: can a law be criminal? Probably not but i sure can be absurd and instead of protecting people it harms them. But still, can you call it criminal?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17900 @ 0.0004165 = 7.4554 BTC [-]
BTC-Mining: I'm afraid I don't have the skills required to do such legal research.
BTC-Mining: In any case, I'm satisfied so far of canadian laws, although I'm pretty sure there's plenty I just don't know of.
mircea_popescu: EskimoBob sure. nazi germany laws were criminal, and they created liability for loyal subjects of the 3rd reich.
EskimoBob: mircea_popescu: no, they are criminal now, but not back then
EskimoBob: and most are not even criminal now days
mircea_popescu: well most no. but most doesn't matter in this context.
EskimoBob: my point is, your example was a hyperbole
EskimoBob: US laws have turned in to a pile of shit and same happens all over the world
EskimoBob: Law is not for protecting society any more.
mircea_popescu: nope, not the same, and not all over the world. this is just misguided jingoism.
mircea_popescu: the insanity is quite speciffic to the us, with some overlap in the 51st state (uk)
mircea_popescu: but yes my example was a hyperbole. problem is, it's a matching one
BTC-Mining: Well, yes, many country are FAR from being in such a mess as the US.
BTC-Mining: It doesn't mean the US is unrecyclable or that I'd hold every american responsible for the current situation however.
mircea_popescu: the only way to get the lazy bums out of their bubble of confort and don't-give-a-shit
mircea_popescu: so. all americans. strictly liable. for being part in the us war on mankind.
BTC-Mining: If I applied that logic for anyone who is a citizen of a government I held responsible for crimes, I'd have to execute everybody on Earth, including myself.
BTC-Mining: Simply for the fact no single government can be reasonably assumed to be 100% corruption free and applying laws correctly 100% of the time.
mircea_popescu: we're not putting the standard at either 100% corruption free or applying laws at all.
mircea_popescu: we are putting the standard at not making laws which are enmitous to mankind.
mircea_popescu: it doesn't even matter whether such laws are ever applied or were ever applied. the simple fact that htey exist is sufficient.
BTC-Mining: Corruption in governments is almost always for making laws that are not bad for mankind.
mircea_popescu: we're not discussing "bad for mankind". we are discussing, hostile to mankind.
mircea_popescu: if i snipe at you while you sunbathe i am hostile, whether i hit you or not.
mircea_popescu: if i take the parking spot you wanted, it may be bad for you, but there's no hostility involved.
BTC-Mining: the latter isn't really harmful, just vaguely inconvenient.
BTC-Mining: Seems more like it was an unagreement on definition of words.
BTC-Mining: Even so, would you claim your government has done absolutly zero hostile acts toward mankind for all the time you were a citizen?
BTC-Mining: Aye, but I'm pretty sure at some point, it caused harm to its own citizen under one law or another. Although I guess that's not a receivable argument.
mircea_popescu: but anyway, this isnt a "oh im so much bettert than anyone else" thing
mircea_popescu: im just trying to point out the immensity of us insanity
BTC-Mining: I lack facts. But so do you against american citizens for merely being american citizen.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15319 @ 0.00041602 = 6.373 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8481 @ 0.00041526 = 3.5218 BTC [-]
BTC-Mining: Also, since you consider intent, I suppose you wouldn't be against minors or infants who have no choice or knowing intent of causing such hostile acts. As such, why held adults responsible for inaction when they themselve are completly clueless.
BTC-Mining: I'd consider their inaction as a poor choice, but would not consider them responsible.
BTC-Mining: To each it's set of standards and ethics.
BTC-Mining: Eh, guess that's it for today, 4:30 am already
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 800 @ 0.00337 = 2.696 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10531 @ 0.00041526 = 4.3731 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33200 @ 0.00041533 = 13.789 BTC [+]
dub: payouts progressing well
dub: you've got to wonder at the thought process
asa1024: I wonder everyday how I am able to get dressed in the morning.
asa1024: my next goal is to learn how to read and write! :D
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28788 @ 0.00041526 = 11.9545 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26999 @ 0.00041471 = 11.1968 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: Got the same email, didn't receive any of the bitcoin that I had there, not one iota.
EskimoBob: angry usagi is back :) and trolling like never before. #_#
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1601 @ 0.00041471 = 0.664 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4799 @ 0.00041453 = 1.9893 BTC [-]
dub: smickles: sounds suspiciously like the ellet idea
dub: smickles must be MNW
jurov: so, coinbr now features imgur screenshot gallery.. with an exercise order that will make you dream
smickles: jurov: is there a 'stop-loss' feature?
jurov: by popular request... so that potential users can see it's not so scary as mpex
jurov: there was even idea that i do beautified order book
smickles: the blockchain taint tool indicates that usagi has hundreds of btc under his control
mircea_popescu: you want an api to talk to the thing which talks to my api ?
jurov: that needs mpex acct, tho. i don't see an coinbr api in near future.
jurov: high frequency trading with multiple users on one mpex acct is just not feasible atm.
smickles: why would you do high frequency trading w/o a 'maker rebate'?
mircea_popescu: there's a lot of problems to be accounted for. it's difficult to make a secure api in the first place. even if you do, making a chain of two be comparably fast to one alone is not trivial.
smickles: someone clearly violates a signed contract, and people accuse the violated party of scamming
smickles: and it seems to happen so often
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18000 @ 0.00040845 = 7.3521 BTC [+]
smickles: mircea_popescu: that's arbitration tho, this is not a dispute resolution
smickles: how does that reach out to a scammer tag on bitcointalk?
mircea_popescu: well, let's see. usagi doesn't admit default, in what he posts there ?
smickles: he admitted it to me. but this is a side issue. agreeing to arbitration concerns the legal aspects of dispute resolution. not labels on a forum or private discussions
mircea_popescu: now, it's not a matter of YOU being a scammer, or the disclosure being improper or anything
mircea_popescu: but i can see how the forum people would go, well, come with a judge.me result first.
smickles: if they want the judge.me result for a scammertag, they are changing the way they do things
smickles: because i recall them giving scammer tags to people who agreed to judge.me resolution w/o there even being a claim filed
smickles: and the scammer tag is a warning mechanism, not a settlement process, this augustocroppo was assusing me of breaking the contract by calling for a scammer tag
pigeons: don't worry about forumrates
smickles: mircea_popescu: oh, i'll look, but i don't feel confident i'll find it :|
thestringpuller: as mircea_popescu says, they are stuck in eternal september
mircea_popescu: smickles pigeons prolly has it, i vaguely recall that name under the idiot tag.
mircea_popescu: but as a general principle, it's hard to ask for any third party action on a contract with a dispute resolution clause that wasn't met.
smickles: funny thing is, there are a few people who owe usagi btc who are willing to pay this debt, usagi just has to agree
smickles: BTC-Mining either had bad luck, or low power
smickles: or wanted 12 characters or somehthing
dub: depends on difficulty
BTC-Mining: Difficulty was between 800 - 900 billion
BTC-Mining: I also wanted a number/capital letter following the letters
rdponticelli: You do deserve a scammer tag, smickles. How do you dare to expect a payback on a bitcoin loan? That's scamming!
BTC-Mining: It had to start with that specific string and be followed by a number... pretty harsh.
BTC-Mining: rdponticelli, who was it who refused to repay loan because that was not "theft" since bitcoins aren't "real money"?
smickles: rdponticelli: IKR, and I discussed it in a non-binding fashion, outside of arbitration! How dare I?!
pigeons: and you loaned the money to an unlicensed illegal insurance company that sold unregistered securities!
dub: to a magical samurai rabbit boy girl person no less
dub: tbh, scam accusations are retarded
mircea_popescu: dub depends. the girl's got theymos pretty talkative in short order.
dub: scam tags issued by a scammer are not useful
dub: nor is bitcointalk.org in ngeneral
smickles: i should just stoppit with the forum already
smickles: heh, got a good recomendation?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6181 @ 0.00040703 = 2.5159 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3719 @ 0.00040613 = 1.5104 BTC [-]
smickles: (lol before reeses, i dunno reeses)
smickles: i've heard of reeses, but not interacted with reeses much
mircea_popescu: one of the few true girls on the interwebs. your loss.
rdponticelli: BTC-Mining: I don't know. I recall bulanula arguing that he can't return what was overpaid to him, because bitcoin transactions wasn't reversible
pigeons: i'm typing with one hand too, everytime thestringpuller talks
dub: rdponticelli: bulanula was the first account I ignored, the final straw
dub: life is too short to even acknowledge people with so little worth