assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 50 @ 0.03 = 1.5 BTC [+]
PsychoticBoy: ok so then I dont get the problem you closing due to move.to
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29700 @ 0.00036653 = 10.8859 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 5 @ 0.0035 = 0.0175 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 5 @ 0.0035 = 0.0175 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BITBOND] 1 @ 0.24989966 BTC [+]
Obsi: usagi: FUTUREFUND is worth 0
Obsi: it was closed out and delisted, can't be traded from what I know
assbot: [GLBSE] [BDK.BND] 22 @ 0.02502 = 0.5504 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 2 @ 0.0109 = 0.0218 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX:B.MPCD.B] 1day: 0.00099998 / 0.00100051 / 0.00100157 (60000 shares, 60.03 BTC), 30day: 0.00099998 / 0.00101132 / 0.00102622 (504009 shares, 509.72 BTC)
assbot: [GLBSE] [BDK.BND] 1 @ 0.02502 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BDK.BND] 21 @ 0.025 = 0.525 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 2 @ 0.01100001 = 0.022 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 4 @ 0.011 = 0.044 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17700 @ 0.00036629 = 6.4833 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 66 @ 0.011 = 0.726 BTC [-]
dub: because people can show problems with your accounting?
dub: because you play weird identity games?
BTC-Mining: Erhm, you're not a deposit taker as far as I know?
BTC-Mining: So how is that relevent? Other than deposit takes, plenty are not defaulting.
knotwork_: Are puts and calls both actually the exact same thing with the pair reversed? So e.g. a USD/BTC put is equally referrable to as a BTC/USD call?
BTC-Mining: [17:29] <usagi> lolz dub, people who don't understand accrual or cost basis accounting should be banned from the forums
BTC-Mining: Isn't it you who claims all stock markets are a zero/negative sum game?
knotwork: I am windering because if so, coding need not code two separate strategies one to offer puts one to offer calls, instead just reversing the pair the exact same code could be used
BTC-Mining: knotwork, I am unsure what you mean but...
BTC-Mining: with calls, the lower under the stock price it goes, the better, opposite for puts.
knotwork: well if you obligate me to buy X at a cetrain price as denominated in Y, isnt that the same as obligating me to sell Y to you at a certain price denominated in X ?
BTC-Mining: Hmm... formula for call is (Current price - Struck price)/current price
knotwork: BTC-Mining well for eample if you buy from me a put entitling you to put 10 IBM for 1 AAPL on certain date, isnt that the same as buying a call entitling you to buy 1 AAPL for 10 IBM at that same date?
knotwork: or if you but a put entitling you to sell me 12 dollars for 1 bitcoin on a certain date, isnt that identical to buying a call entitling you to buy 1 bitcoin from me for 12 dollars on that date?
knotwork: no this is generically for code to handle puts and calls of any X priced in terms of any Y
knotwork: it seems to me at a glance that a put to sell X for a price in Y is identical to a call to buy Y at a price in X
knotwork: I suspect favourite/local currency preference is only reason it does not work that way most places
knotwork: since most places have one asset they think of as "money" and all other assets are "commodities" or "foreign currencies" to buy and sell with prices expressed in the "local favourite"
knotwork: but if you are agnostic about assets, as Open Transactions is, any asset can be used to buy any other asset
knotwork: no forcing people to do two trades, one from asset A into local currency asset then another to buy asset B with that local currency
BTC-Mining: Example, if I buy a call option struck at 1 USD/BTC and the price is currently 12 USD/BTC when redeemed, the redeem value is (12 - 1)/12 = 0.91666667 BTC
knotwork: instead just directly offer a price for B expressed in A
BTC-Mining: Which is confusing me because that's now how I understood options but anyway.
knotwork: I suspect a big reason for intruding local currency between all assets is simply to double the fees
knotwork: since the house takes a fee on each trade, they prefer you sell A for local currency paying a fee then buy B paying a fee instead of just trading A for B
knotwork: also of course they like the fee to be in local currency maybe not some tiny bit of A and/or B neither of which they may be particularly fond of
assbot: [GLBSE] [RSM] 1 @ 0.2726 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [RSM] 1 @ 0.2725 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [RSM] 5 @ 0.272 = 1.36 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [RSM] 2 @ 0.27 = 0.54 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [RSM] 2 @ 0.267 = 0.534 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [RSM] 10 @ 0.263 = 2.63 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [RSM] 5 @ 0.262 = 1.31 BTC [-]
knotwork: I am actually surprised that just the lack of percentage fees in Open Transactions isnt causing customers to be pressing hard for development of the clients to make it easier for them to take advantage of the lack of percentage fees on all trades
Bugpowder: great I cannot sell anything on MPEX
Bugpowder: can anyone execute a sell order on MPEX right now?
Bugpowder: Can anyone else sell a share on MPEX? I'm getting an 'insufficient funds' message.
rg: do you uh... have funds in it
Bugpowder: I have shares. Can't sell a single share of any asset
Bugpowder: though I only have .0007 BTC in account
Bugpowder: but that should still be enough to pay for it
mod6: you still might have to cover a trade fee
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 2500 @ 0.00044183 = 1.1046 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 5200 @ 0.00044183 = 2.2975 BTC [-]
BTC-Mining: so it can cover a 0.35 sale. Guess that's enough for almost anything
assbot: [GLBSE] [BMF] 1 @ 0.48999996 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 13 @ 0.1099999 = 1.43 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 400 @ 0.00044183 = 0.1767 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 4211 @ 0.00044183 = 1.8605 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 3200 @ 0.00044183 = 1.4139 BTC [-]
dub: jesus H crimminey christ in a crimson cabriolet, its international blasphemy day
assbot: [GLBSE] [BDK.BND] 9 @ 0.02502 = 0.2252 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BDK.BND] 96 @ 0.025 = 2.4 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BDK.BND] 95 @ 0.01253 = 1.1904 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 200 @ 0.003799 = 0.7598 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GMVT-BOT] 1 @ 0.13999898 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GMVT-BOT] 19 @ 0.13999899 = 2.66 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [NASTY] 6 @ 0.4539 = 2.7234 BTC [+]
Bugpowder: Since the SEC has no balls, glad Schneiderman does
assbot: [GLBSE] [BFLS.RIG] 1 @ 0.88799999 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BFLS.RIG] 2 @ 0.888 = 1.776 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BFLS.RIG] 3 @ 0.8989 = 2.6967 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28264 @ 0.00036629 = 10.3528 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22000 @ 0.00036578 = 8.0472 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18371 @ 0.00036546 = 6.7139 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BIB.BVPS] 10 @ 0.00389 = 0.0389 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BMF] 1 @ 0.40100001 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27000 @ 0.00036653 = 9.8963 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30626 @ 0.00036664 = 11.2287 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6374 @ 0.0003671 = 2.3399 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [SILVER] 1 @ 0.00999998 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 5 @ 0.10810001 = 0.5405 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 9 @ 0.1081 = 0.9729 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 2 @ 0.10706 = 0.2141 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 3 @ 0.1061 = 0.3183 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 7 @ 0.1061 = 0.7427 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 10 @ 0.106 = 1.06 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 9497 @ 0.00044184 = 4.1962 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 1003 @ 0.00044184 = 0.4432 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 3 @ 0.105001 = 0.315 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [SYNERGY] 2 @ 0.08 = 0.16 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GOLD] 1 @ 0.0095 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GOLD] 17 @ 0.00920001 = 0.1564 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [MU] 1 @ 0.1899 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [FDBF] 20 @ 0.149253 = 2.9851 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 5 @ 0.11139999 = 0.557 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 6 @ 0.1114 = 0.6684 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 2 @ 0.1115 = 0.223 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8429 @ 0.00036546 = 3.0805 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44271 @ 0.0003652 = 16.1678 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 6 @ 0.1114 = 0.6684 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TEEK.USD] 1 @ 0.0777 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 689 @ 0.00044183 = 0.3044 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [FPGAMINING] 1 @ 0.43334 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [FPGAMINING] 2 @ 0.43284 = 0.8657 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [FPGAMINING] 9 @ 0.4101 = 3.6909 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [FPGAMINING] 4 @ 0.41 = 1.64 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [PUREMINING] 1 @ 0.10169999 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [PUREMINING] 1 @ 0.1017 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: knotwork no they're not identical, they're opposite really.
knotwork: you buying from me IS me selling to you surely?
mircea_popescu: yes. but if i buy a put that means i make money if price goes under strike
mircea_popescu: if you buy a sell that means you make money if price goes over strike
knotwork: I meant, given you are buying a call or put, what is different between you buying a put USD for price in BTC or you buying a call BTC for corresponding price in USD?
knotwork: possibly the asset in which you pay the fee
assbot: [GLBSE] [BFLS.RIG] 3 @ 0.975 = 2.925 BTC [+]
knotwork: but you could pay the fee in bubblegum or francs or anything, how much you pay for the option does not change the option itself
knotwork: it seems like my code for how to handle/resolve a call of X priced in Y should be identical to my code for how to handle a put of Y priced in X
knotwork: just switch the X and Y to switch between call and put
knotwork: ok good. as what I am trying to figure out is generic code for asset A and asset B calls and puts for any A and B
knotwork: with any price you pay to buy the option being payable in any asset at all probably
knotwork: like hey I will pay one AAPL for an option to sell 100 IBM for 50 CISCO
knotwork: mostly trying to figure out how much of what such a contract would have to take into its internal variables as collateral to be sure it can pay out come payout time
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 2 @ 0.01230375 = 0.0246 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56457 @ 0.00036596 = 20.661 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [NYAN.B] 3 @ 0.21140027 = 0.6342 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [NYAN.B] 1 @ 0.2114 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [NYAN.B] 1 @ 0.2112 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [NYAN.B] 1 @ 0.211 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [NYAN.B] 1 @ 0.2108 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [NYAN.B] 1 @ 0.2106 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [NYAN.B] 1 @ 0.2104 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [NYAN.B] 2 @ 0.2102 = 0.4204 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [NYAN.B] 1 @ 0.21 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [NYAN.B] 1 @ 0.21140028 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [NYAN.B] 9 @ 0.21 = 1.89 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [DMC] 1 @ 0.05 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [NYAN.C] 2 @ 0.12070001 = 0.2414 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [NYAN.C] 1 @ 0.1207 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [NYAN.C] 6 @ 0.1205 = 0.723 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [NYAN.C] 8 @ 0.1002 = 0.8016 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [NYAN.C] 40 @ 0.1 = 4 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [MMM] 4 @ 0.6 = 2.4 BTC [+]
BTC-Mining: Looking for stocks to buy. Over 200 BTC available.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12936 @ 0.00036644 = 4.7403 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8747 @ 0.0003652 = 3.1944 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15100 @ 0.00036495 = 5.5107 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18617 @ 0.00036413 = 6.779 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ZETA-MINING] 1 @ 0.14210003 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [MMM] 1 @ 0.6 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.11038498 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 6 @ 0.11038498 = 0.6623 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 2 @ 0.11038499 = 0.2208 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ZETA-MINING] 2 @ 0.14210002 = 0.2842 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 14705 @ 0.0034 = 49.997 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 10 @ 0.0038 = 0.038 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 10 @ 0.00388 = 0.0388 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BIB.BVPS] 1 @ 0.00389 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 60 @ 0.00388 = 0.2328 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [YABMC] 4 @ 0.07849999 = 0.314 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [YABMC] 15 @ 0.0785 = 1.1775 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: Has anybody else noticed the contracts os assets on MPEx are much better than the ones on GLBSE? I don't want to get into a debate about exchanges, but having a decent and detailed contract is a good sign for an asset.
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 2 @ 0.55720001 = 1.1144 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 1 @ 0.5572 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 1 @ 0.5572 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 3 @ 0.557 = 1.671 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 27 @ 0.00388 = 0.1048 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [YABMC] 1 @ 0.07947 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [YABMC] 3 @ 0.0795 = 0.2385 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [YABMC] 1 @ 0.0797 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [YABMC] 3 @ 0.0797 = 0.2391 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [YABMC] 11 @ 0.079705 = 0.8768 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [YABMC] 25 @ 0.07970999 = 1.9927 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [YABMC] 5 @ 0.07971 = 0.3986 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [YABMC] 1 @ 0.07971 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5400 @ 0.0003643 = 1.9672 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 1 @ 0.01187783 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 1 @ 0.01145191 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 13 @ 0.011 = 0.143 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 42 @ 0.00388 = 0.163 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 57 @ 0.011 = 0.627 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 11 @ 0.0100101 = 0.1101 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 80 @ 0.01001 = 0.8008 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 100 @ 0.01 = 1 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 1114 @ 0.01 = 11.14 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 1 @ 0.009002 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 637 @ 0.009 = 5.733 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 7 @ 0.10710002 = 0.7497 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 4 @ 0.10710001 = 0.4284 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 2 @ 0.107 = 0.214 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 5 @ 0.10500101 = 0.525 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 4 @ 0.10500101 = 0.42 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 3 @ 0.10500101 = 0.315 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 119 @ 0.00388 = 0.4617 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 480 @ 0.003888 = 1.8662 BTC [+]
BTC-Mining: And now OBSI pays 0% dividends it seems
assbot: [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 78 @ 0.003888 = 0.3033 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 113 @ 0.009 = 1.017 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 87 @ 0.0081 = 0.7047 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: what i'm curious about is, how the hell is usagi planning to unwind the MIDDLE of what was supposedly a cdo
BTC-Mining: I'm pretty sure it was expected by now. Didn't you short some OBSI?
mircea_popescu: BTC-Mining cvovered in the meanwhile. but yes, shorted 8-9 covered at 02 lol
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5583 @ 0.00036413 = 2.0329 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47239 @ 0.00036396 = 17.1931 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 1 @ 0.0159213 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: and apparently even that is a bridge too far for most ppl
BTC-Mining: Aye, but in BTC-BOND's case, I'd better manage the portfolio well.
BTC-Mining: I have much bigger incentives than regular funds.
BTC-Mining: Most of it is my personal portfolio. Any loss eats into it first.
BTC-Mining: Fund manager still earn more on a portfolio which does better.
BTC-Mining: But there's no actuall loss for them if it's mismanaged.
BTC-Mining: Except for a lower share of the dividends.
BTC-Mining: It's almost a miracle I maaged to grow while the market was shrinking, without shorting.
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 1000 @ 0.00044183 = 0.4418 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BTC-BOND] 1 @ 0.00989 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BFLS] 5 @ 0.5 = 2.5 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BFLS] 2 @ 0.5 = 1 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BFLS] 2 @ 0.54995 = 1.0999 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BFLS] 8 @ 0.72 = 5.76 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BFLS] 1 @ 0.74 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BFLS] 2 @ 0.79 = 1.58 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BFLS] 2 @ 0.799 = 1.598 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 1 @ 0.003888 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BFLS] 2 @ 0.799 = 1.598 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BFLS] 1 @ 0.88 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 1900 @ 0.00044182 = 0.8395 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 4100 @ 0.00044182 = 1.8115 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 2 @ 0.59999999 = 1.2 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 941 @ 0.003888 = 3.6586 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BITBOND] 1 @ 0.24959996 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 1542 @ 0.00388888 = 5.9967 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [CPA] 2 @ 0.034 = 0.068 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [CPA] 20 @ 0.0331 = 0.662 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [CPA] 20 @ 0.0331 = 0.662 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [SILVER] 4 @ 0.00999999 = 0.04 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BVPS] 500 @ 0.00351 = 1.755 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2000 @ 0.00036414 = 0.7283 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8961 @ 0.00036396 = 3.2614 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23600 @ 0.00036301 = 8.567 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16039 @ 0.00036263 = 5.8162 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [CPA] 20 @ 0.0331 = 0.662 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [PUREMINING] 2 @ 0.1017 = 0.2034 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.11049991 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 1000 @ 0.00044182 = 0.4418 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 6 @ 0.11029989 = 0.6618 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 5 @ 0.11029989 = 0.5515 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 6 @ 0.008 = 0.048 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 1 @ 0.008 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 2 @ 0.00766014 = 0.0153 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 1 @ 0.00738504 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 2 @ 0.00695626 = 0.0139 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 1 @ 0.00545 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 2 @ 0.00493982 = 0.0099 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 4 @ 0.00407394 = 0.0163 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 2 @ 0.00384931 = 0.0077 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 4 @ 0.00330422 = 0.0132 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 2 @ 0.002725 = 0.0055 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 8 @ 0.0023859 = 0.0191 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 8 @ 0.00221018 = 0.0177 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 94 @ 0.003 = 0.282 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 100 @ 0.004 = 0.4 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 100 @ 0.005 = 0.5 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 100 @ 0.006 = 0.6 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 10300 @ 0.00044182 = 4.5507 BTC [+]
Diablo-D3: nefario really is going to get a scammer tag
Diablo-D3: maged is giving him one more chance to pull his head out of his ass
Diablo-D3: nefario refuses to send goat his btc that have nothing to do with tygrr assets
Diablo-D3: not only would nefario get a scammer tag, all glbse links get scammer tagged too
Diablo-D3: I dont know what the hell happened
mircea_popescu: people keep asking me what i have against glbse. WELL THIS. why not just fucking make sense.
Diablo-D3: I wonder if nefario stole all the money
guruvan: it's not the first time nefario has pulled this shit with goat
Diablo-D3: EskimoBob: it would take him 5 seconds with a perl script to find out
Diablo-D3: unless he isnt logging all transactions, which makes him a scammer
assbot: [GLBSE:BDK.BND] [Bid: 0.02500001] [Ask: 0.0495] [Spread: 0.02449999] [Last: 0.04] [24hVol: 20.44668999] [7dAvg: 0.04883857]
guruvan: last time he tried to get pirate to lock goat's account there
Diablo-D3: like thats the thing, remember how he didnt do an audit on me?
Diablo-D3: I wonder if glbse _doesnt_ keep a list of tx forever
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: well, Ive written shit like this, its trivial, but sometimes fucktards do fucktarded things
Diablo-D3: you dont even need to store the archived tx in the db, just dump them to a text list for perm storage
Diablo-D3: EskimoBob: no, I said I dont have access to it
Diablo-D3: EskimoBob: the csv link only gives you the previous x tx
Diablo-D3: EskimoBob: I didnt say the db didnt retain them
Diablo-D3: when I was active trading, it was about a month and a halfs worth
mircea_popescu: wait a second. wasn't someone saying they lent nefario 400 quid after the Great Conference Nobody Went To ?
guruvan: (side benefit to using MPEx....my history is all saved locally)
Diablo-D3: I mean, its easy to code, SORT BY date LIMIT 100 or whatever
guruvan: I know that nefario was looking for that loan
pigeons: EskimoBob is a turd sandwich
Diablo-D3: its too early in the morning to code
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: vim would have caught it ;)
guruvan: I guess you've just gotten to be nothing but bitter and foul now EskimoBob - sorry to see that
Diablo-D3: either way, if he doesnt retain all tx
Diablo-D3: seriously, just fuck him with a chainsaw gently
Diablo-D3: nothing is done on bitcoin if you move stuff from an asset subaccount to your main account
Diablo-D3: plus both accounts and subaccounts have their own bitcoin addresses
Diablo-D3: and you can gen a new one on demand
mircea_popescu: so basicalyl it's either that he stole customer funds and got drunk on themn, a la hayseed MF global
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: or hes just an asshat
mircea_popescu: yes, admitting he can't rather than just... is an asshat
Diablo-D3: Im sorry I ever IPO'ed DMC, really
mircea_popescu: Diablo-D3 not personal but : it's a skill and a profession this.
mircea_popescu: and if you do it naively you just get fucked and it ruins reputations, lives, etcv
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 6 @ 0.59000001 = 3.54 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 1 @ 0.59 BTC [-]
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: yeah well, nefario fucked us all then
mircea_popescu: just look at kludge. his pretense to be what he ain't fucked up his "non legal" marriage.
Diablo-D3: because this shit doesnt just stop here
Diablo-D3: it fucks everyone whos ever used bitcoin
mircea_popescu: Diablo-D3 the sensible have been taking their shit off glbse for months. the sane since august.
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: well, I bought half the DMC shares back
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: depends on the price
Diablo-D3: asicmining paying out will probably help a lot
Diablo-D3: I mean, nefario has done everything possible to fuck DMC
Diablo-D3: like, he didnt properly vet 1mhs bond selllers
Diablo-D3: so they flooded the market and fucked everyone's portfolios
Diablo-D3: EskimoBob: I only hold asicminer, btcmc, and btc-mining
assbot: [GLBSE] [YABMC] 2 @ 0.07899998 = 0.158 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: Diablo-D3 this vetting problem becomes very serious now, as he refuses to vet SOME people.
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: well the mhash bond problem is this
Diablo-D3: when ASICs were announced, the mhash bond people flooded the market with bonds that didnt have hardware to back them
Diablo-D3: and semi-pyramid scheme paid out on them until they got their asic hardware
Diablo-D3: which then they'd end up with a huge sum of money, hardware, and a bunch of worthless mhash bonds they could buy back at a fraction
mircea_popescu: anyone with any sense would have seen this, and not allowed all the shit.
Diablo-D3: nefario did nothing to these people
Diablo-D3: yet he locked DMC's account for being victimized by it
guruvan: um....that's a little extreme Diablo-D3 - victimized? you were adequately warned here in this channel not to buy up that stuff.
Diablo-D3: guruvan: I was "warned" by people who I dont trust
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: and I dont trust you.
Diablo-D3: and EskimoBob is a troll, so trust doenst even enter into this
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: currently? no one.
mircea_popescu: not personal, but : if you don't trust anyone in the mkt you can't list.
Diablo-D3: I trusted nefario, and look where that went.
guruvan: but not as bad as trusting eveyone :D
mircea_popescu: guruvan fo sho. only women should trust everyone, and only if they plan on yearly pregnancies
assbot: [GLBSE] [YABMC] 4 @ 0.07899999 = 0.316 BTC [+]
Diablo-D3: anyhow, I may just buy back as much dmc as possible and see where we're at after that
guruvan: It's looking like several are deserved
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 1188 @ 0.00044181 = 0.5249 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11211 @ 0.00036179 = 4.056 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15668 @ 0.00036158 = 5.6652 BTC [-]
guruvan: but I think there's only room for the one -0 tagging all GLBSE threads would be a good start
guruvan: agreed mircea_popescu - that would be the absolute best thing for DMC
Diablo-D3: EskimoBob: a company can buy back its own shares off the open market.
assbot: [MPEX] [B.MPCD.B] 33500 @ 0.00095464 = 31.9804 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [B.MPCD.B] 94000 @ 0.0009495 = 89.253 BTC [-]
guruvan: Diablo-D3: and if the company has cash, and nothing to spend it on, and shares are cheap, it should buy them back
Diablo-D3: guruvan: yes, and we have cash, nothing to sepdn it on, and the shares are cheap.
assbot: [GLBSE] [RUGATU] 3 @ 0.1 = 0.3 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 8 @ 0.58000001 = 4.64 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 1 @ 0.58 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [MERGEDMINING] 2 @ 0.06199999 = 0.124 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [MERGEDMINING] 3 @ 0.062 = 0.186 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: jesus kakobrekla they're ripping you a new one on the forums huh
Diablo-D3: EskimoBob: well, asicminer should be paying out nov or dec
Diablo-D3: so that'd be a nice chunk of change
Diablo-D3: well then what do you think the best asset on the market is?
assbot: [GLBSE] [PIMP] 5 @ 0.08999999 = 0.45 BTC [+]
Diablo-D3: yeah, but if I get any btc it goes directly into buying dmc
assbot: [MPEX] [B.MPCD.A] 33500 @ 0.00100076 = 33.5255 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [YABMC] 5 @ 0.07899999 = 0.395 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [YABMC] 1 @ 0.07899999 BTC [+]
Diablo-D3: even if btc goes up in value it doesnt make dmc shares go down in value
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: yeah, its just btcmc, btc-mining, and asicminer
mircea_popescu: well if btcv goes to 100 bux they will not stay the same btc
mircea_popescu: "afaik he considers his wife as an asset" ahahaha the ppl on the forum
mircea_popescu: ya, why isn't he selling HIS WIFE he;s not even married to in order to settle some internet monopoly money debt
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: hes selling his wife?
mircea_popescu: im sure she can cook, if you can't cook you can't be a wife
Diablo-D3: seriously though, I guess I could put half of the dmc assets up for sale
assbot: [GLBSE] [HYDRO.BONDS] 1 @ 1.399999 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [HYDRO.BONDS] 3 @ 1.4 = 4.2 BTC [+]
Diablo-D3: but btc going up in value doesnt cause dmc shares to go down in price
kakobrekla: mircea_popescu, yes, two dark worlds colliding
guruvan: Diablo-D3: long term yes, but short term, we see some movement out of securities with a rise in the exchange rate (for people wanting to trade BTC for USD for the anticipated drop)
guruvan: looks really awesome to me kakobrekla
assbot: [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 1 @ 0.0035 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 300 @ 0.0034 = 1.02 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 500 @ 0.0034 = 1.7 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 1000 @ 0.0034 = 3.4 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: someone please explain that ito calculus wielding idiot that you don't unwind a cdo bottom up
Bugpowder: Just take everything and stick it in A
Bugpowder: why the fuck does C get assets from A and B?
Bugpowder: no "we can use the overflow from NYAN.A to help repair the shareholders of NYAN.C."
mircea_popescu: but in no event can C be paid anything if B is owed anything, and in no event can B be paid anything if A is owed anything
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10000 @ 0.00036447 = 3.6447 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 2 @ 0.60089899 = 1.2018 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 200 @ 0.0034 = 0.68 BTC [-]
DeaDTerra: Time to balance the backing before the dividend
assbot: [GLBSE] [BTC-MINING] 1 @ 0.9312 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BTC-MINING] 1 @ 0.9311 BTC [-]
Diablo-D3: [10:17:26] <EskimoBob> oh look, .C becomes the proud owner of 2001 obsi.hrpt's.
Diablo-D3: thats what the world did to greece
Diablo-D3: steal all the real assets and move all the toxic ones into it
Diablo-D3: the whole goldman sachs fake mortgage paper scam
Bugpowder: that is not how I perceive greek financies
mircea_popescu: he does have a point. the us banks have been selling everyone, from us municipalities to foreign nations
Diablo-D3: greece is the one that ended up holding the bag on that
mircea_popescu: i wou;dnt go as far as that, but for sure there's a ton of misbehaviour
Diablo-D3: but hey, if our great leaders do that, why is it wrong for usagi to do it
Diablo-D3: "steal ALL the things \o/" -- goldman sachs motto
Diablo-D3: usagi: you're collapsing nyan.c for the lulz
Diablo-D3: the trolls say you are so it must be true
assbot: Requesting data from GLBSE (might take a while, also might return fishy results as it does not account for splits etc).
assbot: BMF [1@0.49BTC] (since: 2012-10-01) paid: 0.00199044 BTC. Last price: 0.48 BTC. Capital gain: -0.01 BTC. Total: -0.00800956 BTC. (-1.6%)
assbot: [GLBSE] [BFLS.RIG] 5 @ 0.81298522 = 4.0649 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BFLS.RIG] 7 @ 0.8 = 5.6 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.1111 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: Chaang-Noi are you like this when you're drunk or when you're sober ?
Chaang-Noi: i tried to do a good think with glbse and the btc assets stuff
Chaang-Noi: almost everyone including nefario hated me for it when i was his biggest support
Chaang-Noi: maged told me i was going to banned unless i did something he demanded in 48 hours...
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21990 @ 0.00036397 = 8.0037 BTC [-]
Chaang-Noi: and then maged covered for him and called a misunderstanind
Diablo-D3: nefario is going to end up with a scammer tag
Diablo-D3: Chaang-Noi: because he refuses to return the coins he stole from you
Diablo-D3: which also means all glbse links get automatically scammer tagged too
Diablo-D3: maged is pissed over the whole thing
Diablo-D3: Chaang-Noi: too bad you arent a forum mod like me
Diablo-D3: you're missing out on the shitstorm in the staff forum
Diablo-D3: its the only reason why Im a mod and not an admin
assbot: [GLBSE:DMC] [Bid: 0.02] [Ask: 0.05499999] [Spread: 0.03499999] [Last: 0.05] [24hVol: 0.05] [7dAvg: 0.07186227]
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: nope, technically I shouldnt even talk about it
Diablo-D3: but goats goat, and hes a cool guy
assbot: [GLBSE] [KRAKEN] 1 @ 0.00775 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE:OBSI.HRPT] [Bid: 0.0032] [Ask: 0.00389453] [Spread: 0.00069453] [Last: 0.003] [24hVol: 87.13085903] [7dAvg: 0.03527857]
assbot: [GLBSE:BDK.BND] [Bid: 0.03000001] [Ask: 0.0495] [Spread: 0.01949999] [Last: 0.04] [24hVol: 20.44668999] [7dAvg: 0.04883857]
Bugpowder: I'm like slightly annoyed that I keep loosing 2% here 3% there, but at least I have gotten out of almost all the bullshit
Bugpowder: BDK.BND appears to have assets that support a NAV of 0.059, according to his spreadsheet.
mircea_popescu: Bugpowder lol 2-3% is a lot better than what people are doing
mircea_popescu: most of the hardcore glbse fans are literally -50% every quarter
Bugpowder: it's like buy OBSI, wait 2 days, panic sell for 8% loss
OneEyed: Bugpowder: I know. I bought some at 0.03 before going to work, and sold them at 0.04 right after, easy +30%…
BTC-Mining: I offer a very good protection margin against loss.
OneEyed: Bugpowder: I have asks at .03, you can sell me :)
Bugpowder: couldn't exit the whole position cause volume is too low
OneEyed: Eheh :) The 104 ones? Thanks :)
OneEyed: (I got 100 at 0.03, and someone sold me 4 at 0.02!)
OneEyed: If Kluge can reimburse (and it looks like it will), you'll get much more than that by holding them if you can't get a good price anyway!
OneEyed: I think he will pay much more
OneEyed: Nah, I just went out of GLBSE, I went back in to get some very cheap ones, I won't buy at more than .03, I'm sure someone will sell :)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26011 @ 0.00036397 = 9.4672 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12689 @ 0.00036158 = 4.5881 BTC [-]
BTC-Mining: EskimoBob, although most people who present facts/ask questions are often dismissed as troll on the forum. In your case, it's kind of understandable. Incompetence is not equal to scamming and you keep harassing people as scammers when you believe they are incompetent.
OneEyed: mircea_popescu: over what I bought; 100 * 0.03 * 1.005 + 2 * 0.02 = 3.055
BTC-Mining: But true enough, some OP dismiss anything other than "Let me give you all my money" as trolling.
OneEyed: Sold them for 104 * 0.04 = 4.16
OneEyed: Well, yeah, 10€, not much, but it took no time and no energy, I just like that :)
mircea_popescu: unless there's a way to safely take 10k usd + bets we are just dicking around
OneEyed: I just fill time between compilations and test runs
OneEyed: mircea_popescu: come on, we're talking about GLBSE, there is no way to make big bucks with such low liquidity, you know it :)
BTC-Mining: Usagi, DMC, etc. Scamming is technically the willingful conning of money for keeping it for yourself. In their case you believe they are incompetent which is not willingful or taking money for themselve, yet still go around tagging them as scammers.
mircea_popescu: BTC-Mining the difference between wilful and incompetent melts away in some cases
BTC-Mining: Or I might be wrong but I'm pretty sure you tagged them as scammers numerous times.
Bugpowder: the color of the undies when they realize they lost all the invested coins again
mircea_popescu: "tony rocky horror shoulda fucken known better" in the immortal words of
OneEyed: I'd tend to agree with EskimoBob here. I'm fan of "don't attribute to malice what can be explained by stupidity", but in the bitcointalk world it looks like malice is often present
fimp: where does one create a new contract on GLBSE? I don't see that option anywhere
OneEyed: usagi: I don't bother hashking? I even filed *criminal charges* against him to get my money back!
OneEyed: usagi: none, I haven't invested with you, nor accused you of anything, you must be confused. I only asked questions when I didn't understand your answer to posted facts. Check your logs :)
OneEyed: The fact that you seem to consider a gain as a loss because when you convert to USD (which is not everyone's currency btw) this shows a gain?
assbot: [GLBSE] [JLP-BMD] 32 @ 0.0711 = 2.2752 BTC [+]
OneEyed: I'm not saying it's your fault. I'm saying that I don't understand how it can be considered to have gained value.
BTC-Mining: Eh. By the way Bugpowder, you know BTC-BOND offers a vast portfolio in front of loaned funds to prevent any loss? I also honor withdrawal upon requests.
OneEyed: That I understand. But was it best for investors to invest or not to invest in your company in this timeframe?
OneEyed: It was best for them to keep their bitcoins out of BMF, right?
Bugpowder: BTC-Mining, Sorry I'm sticking to MPEX securities, I don't think GLBSE will be around by Nov 1st.
BTC-Mining: Ah, believe GLBSE is going bust. Fair enough.
OneEyed: You still don't answer: wouldn't it have been best for investors to have kept their BTC out of BMF into a cold wallet? They could resold them for a better profit than if they went in and out of BMF, isn't it?
OneEyed: (I'm not talking about the future, I'm talking about the timeframe from May to now that you took as an example)
mircea_popescu: Bugpowder nov 1st, that bad ? i was thinking a quarter or two myself.
OneEyed: If I had $500 then, I would have $1000 now by having bought then sold bitcoins.
BTC-Mining: Difficulty adjusts itself... less bitcoins will be entering the market, especially after the block halving.
OneEyed: usagi: so you're saying that BMF is a good investment now, but how can you say it has been a good investment between May and now?
Eisenhower34: ^^ y and if you dont hold it you risk a price rise :)
Bugpowder: Well... I have only been following it for a month... can we plot the decline in volume somehow
Eisenhower34: but looking now backward it would have brought more USD if you had keept your BTC in a cold wallet
OneEyed: And I can start the cycle again and limit my € losses
OneEyed: (even if I limit my profit)
OneEyed: usagi: you say that like it's a good thing
mircea_popescu: OneEyed why be so safe ? i dumped into btc since about forever.
BTC-Mining: usagi: Why not keep it simple? "Bitcoin mining is a USD based investment"
Eisenhower34: not those who kept their btc in a cold wallet.....
OneEyed: mircea_popescu: because since July I've tried to convince myself of the usefulness of bitcoins, and I'm still not much convinced. I've seen almost no use except for trading.
mircea_popescu: OneEyed heh. bitcoin is literally the only currency in the world atm.
Eisenhower34: and if you would have kept your BTC you would have made more...
Bugpowder: Also, has nefario executed a single adminitrative duty on GLBSE in the past week?
BTC-Mining: nefario is often busy, he's not always around.
mircea_popescu: you leave someone behind if you're gone for a week come on./
mircea_popescu: dude imagine your corner 7/11 closed for a week cause owner was busy
BTC-Mining: I'm not aware of him not working/managing GLBSE right now.
pigeons: wow kakobrekla i didn't know you swere such a scammer ;)
BTC-Mining: Because actual miners have a much larger profit than actual bond holders (especially fixed)
mircea_popescu: BTC-Mining arguably they also do a lot more of the work
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 5200 @ 0.0004418 = 2.2974 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3443 @ 0.00036158 = 1.2449 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1200 @ 0.00036114 = 0.4334 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14057 @ 0.00036075 = 5.0711 BTC [-]
Eisenhower34: BTC-Mining, the problem is not the small "interest" you get, its more the dramatic price drop
Eisenhower34: all mining bonds made something between 1.5% and 2% interest a week
assbot: [GLBSE] [PLATINUM] 1 @ 0.00999999 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BITNODES] 2 @ 0.265 = 0.53 BTC [-]
Eisenhower34: EskimoBob its the same when you buy mining equip yourself...
assbot: [GLBSE] [JTME] 1 @ 0.65 BTC [-]
Eisenhower34: All i say is that mining isnt lucrative right now, not if you buy the equip yourself and not if you buy bonds
Eisenhower34: but who would have expected that huge difficulty increase the past few weeks
Eisenhower34: so you cannot blame anybody for any loss you made
assbot: [GLBSE] [NASTY] 1 @ 0.481 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [NASTY] 1 @ 0.48 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: i have bets with people claiming > 100 th in the coming months
Eisenhower34: micea You know the answer yourself... and you should know that you cannot really compare asig TH scale iwth GPU GH scale, same as you couldnt compare GPU <-> CPU MH scales
Diablo-D3: Eisenhower34: well, you can COMPARE
Diablo-D3: its just going to be a pretty scary ratio
assbot: [GLBSE] [NASTY] 1 @ 0.48 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: Eisenhower34 im just saying, people are betting this. if it comes true,
mircea_popescu: after all, the system doesn't care where you get your hashing, it's all fungible.
Diablo-D3: I wish luke would quit reporting posts
Eisenhower34: I only say that you stated the obvious which doesnt really deserves any answer
mircea_popescu: you said huge increase, i said it's possibly not even that huge. what's the issue ?
Eisenhower34: "you think this is huge ?" " i have bets with people claiming > 100 th in the coming months" <- Cpt Obvious to the rescue!
mircea_popescu: do you have some sort of previous unresolved issue eating at you ?
OneEyed: Did anyone see any ASIC-like increase in hashpower, be it on mainnet or on testnet?
Eisenhower34: Sorry but you didnt understood the more polite way telling you that, what did you expect me to say?
assbot: [GLBSE] [DMC] 21 @ 0.05499984 = 1.155 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [DMC] 1 @ 0.05499985 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [DMC] 50 @ 0.055 = 2.75 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [DMC] 148 @ 0.065 = 9.62 BTC [+]
OneEyed: I can't make my mind on whether this is a scam or not, or more exactly on whether they do have a product ready or not (even if they intend to have one eventually)
assbot: [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 103 @ 0.0034 = 0.3502 BTC [-]
OneEyed: Demonstrating it on testnet would be the best way to get free advertising
assbot: [GLBSE] [GOLD] 2 @ 0.00999998 = 0.02 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [DMC] 2 @ 0.065 = 0.13 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [DMC] 10 @ 0.067 = 0.67 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GOLD] 2 @ 0.00999998 = 0.02 BTC [+]
OneEyed: Eisenhower34: I would too, but for some reason I don't understand BFL said it wouldn't
Eisenhower34: OneEyed they "say" of course they wouldnt, but its on a different page what they really do :)
OneEyed: Eisenhower34: sure :) And it's true that it will be much more easy to conceal once they have delivered some ASICs, as they will be harder to identify.
Eisenhower34: y maybe they already mine with some of their products
Eisenhower34: the last rise from June 2012 looks very suspicious
assbot: [GLBSE] [BITBOND] 1 @ 0.27 BTC [+]
OneEyed: What happened to ciuciu recently? He seemed to be a nice guy, had pretty interesting deals, but now looks like he shorted a fuse over mircea_popescu and the porn pictures
assbot: [GLBSE] [GOLD] 8 @ 0.00999998 = 0.08 BTC [+]
OneEyed: mircea_popescu: did you do anything to him? I don't understand why he goes after MPEX every time he can. Do you owe him money or what?
assbot: [GLBSE] [DMC] 9 @ 0.075 = 0.675 BTC [+]
OneEyed: Oh, I thought the porn on mircea_popescu site was free for all :)
imsaguy2: who said you have to get the facts right when you're trolling?
OneEyed: imsaguy2: sure, but he tries very hard to get at MPEX and Mircea, so I guess he really has some motive
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.1111 BTC [-]
OneEyed: Because it's not even entertaining, not humorous, not a good troll
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 1 @ 0.00389453 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.1111 BTC [-]
imsaguy2: or when you're repeating info that's wrong.
OneEyed: Trolling is an art, that was taught by masters on Usenet in the ol'good days, before even AOL was allowed to access the news
assbot: [GLBSE] [MERGEDMINING] 5 @ 0.055 = 0.275 BTC [-]
OneEyed: I remember times when dropping "should I use vi or emacs to edit the configuration file?" in any software newsgroup would degenerate rapidly
imsaguy2: <EskimoBob> OneEyed: I guess he considers that porn peddler
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 3000 @ 0.00044181 = 1.3254 BTC [+]
OneEyed: imsaguy2: I was asking why ciuciu seemed to be so angry at Mircea
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.1111 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [MERGEDMINING] 12 @ 0.0515 = 0.618 BTC [-]
OneEyed: AFAICS, he hosts a BBS which includes porn
assbot: [GLBSE] [MERGEDMINING] 1 @ 0.0496 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [MERGEDMINING] 4 @ 0.04101 = 0.164 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [MERGEDMINING] 10 @ 0.04 = 0.4 BTC [-]
OneEyed: *That* would cause a huge price drop
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 2 @ 0.59999692 = 1.2 BTC [-]
OneEyed: pirate pays => price drop => people invest into BMF to hedge against BTC price drop => I see what you did here usagi :)
mircea_popescu: imsaguy2 no dude. i had some involvement back before 2000
mircea_popescu: some involvement = silent partner/financing some studios and also ocasionally producing.
imsaguy2: technically, the bbs isn't his site
OneEyed: imsaguy2: ok, hosted under the same root
mircea_popescu: OneEyed the girl (mpoe-pr) called some bond of his a scam or w/e
OneEyed: mircea_popescu: wow, I guess the girl hit a nerve then
mircea_popescu: i have no ideea, not like anyone's buying it or anything
mircea_popescu: i mean it can't be a ponzi on the strength of lack of volume alone.
OneEyed: EskimoBob: is that illegal?
OneEyed: (I'm checking, because I have no idea either)
OneEyed: Registrants of .us domains must be United States citizens, residents, or organizations, or a foreign entity with a presence in the United States.
OneEyed: (according to wikipedia, not the most reliable source, but generally good enough)
assbot: [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 23 @ 0.0034 = 0.0782 BTC [-]
OneEyed: "To ensure that these requirements are met, NeuStar frequently conducts "spot checks" on registrant information."
mircea_popescu: dude lay it to rest already. i have us companies, my cto is an american citizen, etfc
assbot: [GLBSE] [BITNODES] 1 @ 0.27849 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 4 @ 0.59999792 = 2.4 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BMMO] 4 @ 0.04100001 = 0.164 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [CPA] 2 @ 0.0386 = 0.0772 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 23377 @ 0.0034 = 79.4818 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [CPA] 2 @ 0.01500001 = 0.03 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BMMO] 1 @ 0.041 BTC [-]
assbot: Requesting data from GLBSE (might take a while, also might return fishy results as it does not account for splits etc).
assbot: CPA [1@0.1BTC] paid: 0.00569688 BTC. Last price: 0.01500001 BTC. Capital gain: -0.08499999 BTC. Total: -0.07930311 BTC. (-79.3%)
imsaguy2: usagi, I can't just go and give you hardware and screw everyone else
imsaguy2: you don't have that sort of priority
assbot: Requesting data from GLBSE (might take a while, also might return fishy results as it does not account for splits etc).
assbot: [GLBSE] [BMMO] 8 @ 0.04 = 0.32 BTC [-]
assbot: Requesting data from GLBSE (might take a while, also might return fishy results as it does not account for splits etc).
assbot: GSDPT [1@0.0032BTC] paid: 7.468E-5 BTC. Last price: 0.0034 BTC. Capital gain: 0.0002 BTC. Total: 0.00027468 BTC. (8.6%)
mircea_popescu: wait so if you have a leading period on the symbol glbse 404's ?
assbot: [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 12 @ 0.0034 = 0.0408 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [YABMC] 5 @ 0.075 = 0.375 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [YABMC] 1 @ 0.075 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [YARR] 1 @ 0.8 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [FZB.A] 1 @ 0.02972999 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [FZB.A] 1 @ 0.02973 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [FZB.A] 4 @ 0.03 = 0.12 BTC [+]
OneEyed: I thought YARR couldn't be traded anymore. I must have confused that with something else.
assbot: [GLBSE] [FZB.A] 2 @ 0.0221002 = 0.0442 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [FZB.A] 3 @ 0.02 = 0.06 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [FZB.A] 1 @ 0.00000005 BTC [-]
Chaang-Noi: i guess he will avoid the scammer tag for now
Chaang-Noi: not that it matters, i cant send the btc to anyone
OneEyed: Chaang-Noi: why, he forgot to send the private key along?
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 2 @ 0.59999792 = 1.2 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: was this your btc ? your assets' btc ? is there all of it ?
Chaang-Noi: yeah i asked for the non disputed btc he was holding hostage
Chaang-Noi: the disputed btc i assume he can make a claim fore
Chaang-Noi: nefario has been sending me e-mails daily
mircea_popescu: well this "some btc" needs to be clarified wtf it means
OneEyed: usagi: more importantly, he didn't explain those (potentially) bad decisions. He pretty much destroyed part of the trust people need to have in him.
Chaang-Noi: he has not explained why i was delisted, i want the fees refunded
Chaang-Noi: if i broke some tos or something he needs to tell me, if he offers a service, takes payment then fails to give service its scamming
OneEyed: usagi: are you implying that you know about irregularities?
assbot: [GLBSE] [BIB.BVPS] 1 @ 0.00387999 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BIB.BVPS] 5 @ 0.00388 = 0.0194 BTC [+]
OneEyed: I would trust you not to use them because you disagree with a business relationship
assbot: [GLBSE] [BIB.BVPS] 5 @ 0.00389 = 0.0195 BTC [+]
Eisenhower34: If there wouldnt be so many douchebags out there, calling me a scammer all day, i would have already opened a stock market myself... would take ~2 weeks to code it ...
OneEyed: Eisenhower34: mine would be more like MPEX than GLBSE if I'd do one
mircea_popescu: Eisenhower34 coding isn;'t the biggest deal. also, who and why is calling you a scammer ?
assbot: [GLBSE] [BIB.BVPS] 10 @ 0.003 = 0.03 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BIB.BVPS] 1 @ 0.00181 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43900 @ 0.00036273 = 15.9238 BTC [+]
Eisenhower34: that was the idea, but as it has already been pointed out several times its a CDS
mircea_popescu: you lack any verbiage as to the important points : 1. how are claims decided ; 2. how are people prevented from buying insurance on themselves and default.
Eisenhower34: with all those idiots asking for doxx and implying that im a scammer
assbot: [GLBSE] [BITCOINRS] 2 @ 0.043 = 0.086 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: everyone is assumed to be pirate nowdays
mircea_popescu: Eisenhower34 that'd be a different problem : you've made a website for something that already happens otc
mircea_popescu: nobody wants/needs it, and if they did they'd make it (those people who already trade cds otc, that is)
assbot: [GLBSE] [BITCOINRS] 1 @ 0.0344 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BITCOINRS] 1 @ 0.001 BTC [-]
Eisenhower34: thats not the problem. the problem are those comments : "Government ID please. ""We wouldn't want this to be another scam right?""Are you willing to provide a legal adress under which someone could be held accountable in case of fraud?" "I'll never conduct business with a "company" who refuses to even tell me the address where they are based."
mircea_popescu: actually, greyhawk has a point. specifically In that case you are of course aware that providing no contact information/full "Impressum" for your "business" is illegal under German legislation. Your website is a perfect opportunity for an Abmahnanwalt to sue the fuck out of you.
OneEyed: Satoshi dice September net profit: 2065.3 BTC
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 1 @ 0.00549093 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 1 @ 0.00549094 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 1 @ 0.00577557 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 2 @ 0.00617672 = 0.0124 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BIT.INC] 1 @ 0.1 BTC [+]
OneEyed: mircea_popescu: that may be relatively shitty according to some criteria, but for something that requires no maintenance, that's great
OneEyed: Compared to the hosting/tech expenses: 50 BTC
OneEyed: mircea_popescu: how do you make out of MPEX? :)
assbot: [GLBSE] [BIT.INC] 1 @ 0.05000001 BTC [-]
OneEyed: Only from commissions on sales and PGP registrations?
OneEyed: (I mean, only directly from MPEX)
assbot: [GLBSE] [BBBB] 8 @ 0.00016 = 0.0013 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [NASTY] 1 @ 0.484 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [NASTY] 1 @ 0.4848 BTC [+]
OneEyed: mircea_popescu: does it require a lot of maintenance or does it run mostly by itself? (I would guess the second)
pigeons: if mircea_popescu was really making money off porn, he would list it on glbse, so i know he's lying
OneEyed: Prudent, but a real burden, especially if you need to go away for a while…
assbot: [GLBSE] [PIMP] 22 @ 0.08999999 = 1.98 BTC [+]
OneEyed: EskimoBob: you mean because of uncovered hedge issues?
OneEyed: (sorry, not familiar with the words here)
mircea_popescu: OneEyed hey, i started the thing knowing this so i'm not complaining.
OneEyed: mircea_popescu: I don't know, it was a question on my side :)
assbot: [GLBSE] [BITBOND] 1 @ 0.26 BTC [-]
OneEyed: mircea_popescu: how would you handle a situation where Patrick would delay the payback of the principal obtained from MPCD?
gribble: Best bid: 12.691, Best ask: 12.69898, Bid-ask spread: 0.00798, Last trade: 12.699, 24 hour volume: 41446, 24 hour low: 12.321, 24 hour high: 12.79
OneEyed: What would be the value of the asset? The principal or the money obtained from selling the debt?
mircea_popescu: i would regard him as being in default for it tho, and neg rate
mircea_popescu: fact of the matter is, i told him at deposit time when the money needs to come out.
OneEyed: You should use MPEX to auction the claim first :)
OneEyed: He can be, if you have 1 share to sell. Just don't put a bid before a certain date, and let people place asks, that would be an auction
OneEyed: You can even put the ask at the original price
OneEyed: Maybe someone is willing to buy the debt in full, god knows why
rg: Chaang-Noi; you want to buy some ltc?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 32382 @ 0.0034 = 110.0988 BTC [+]
BTC-Mining: Someone make me a deal, got BTC burning my pockets.
assbot: [GLBSE] [BDK.BND] 11 @ 0.0495 = 0.5445 BTC [+]
rg: that's the highest ask on btc-e
rg: i just dont feel like logging in there, etc
gigavps: BTC-Mining give them to me
gigavps: i'll take care of them for you
rg: gigavps: will you eat a can of dog food on webcam for btc?
rg: ive always wanted to see that
gigavps: rg no, i have enough for the moment
rg: since the first day i found out about bitcoin-oc
BTC-Mining: Oh, that's a deal Gigavps? Perhaps you could tell me the many benefits of such a deal?
gigavps: BTC-Mining depends on how much you have
rg: 1B8pxbrxdGfUa2nxQHbhqyKYtEHgLGciwe
assbot: [GLBSE] [DMC] 1 @ 0.07 BTC [-]
rg: b984e2c4916bf484788b4a3ab578b0ba9a8a712ac955941674342260c52104b8
Chaang-Noi: 362d47bb3eac8e2a650c77713c39dd72a1bec56d54d085d35b0b8ed3dee3ed47
mircea_popescu: someone should make a scamcoin altchain which uses adresses in the format 1ililililiiiilli
rg: i need to pay some bills
rg: he always pays my bills
assbot: [GLBSE] [JLP-BMD] 1 @ 0.08999999 BTC [+]
Chaang-Noi: night all.. think i tracked down the dragon...
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 1 @ 0.00400001 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 5 @ 0.004 = 0.02 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.57999999 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [COGNITIVE] 2 @ 0.58 = 1.16 BTC [+]
OneEyed: Obviously that didn't cause you to mass buy OBSI.HRPT, so news are probably not good :)
assbot: [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 20 @ 0.00389 = 0.0778 BTC [+]
gigavps: how often do you see me joking?
BTC-Mining: Not often... but on IRC most are more casual than on the forum.
mircea_popescu: i don't see an announcement, just random bs from usagi & retard gang.
rg: [13:18] <gigavps> how often do you see me joking?
rg: before the rig got too big
BTC-Mining: Everyone is fun until they start doing business.
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 75 @ 0.004 = 0.3 BTC [-]
BTC-Mining: Be careful there usagi... with statements like this people will call you a clown. I mean, more than before.
BTC-Mining: OBSI, OBSI, why don't you pay dividends!
BTC-Mining: Oh wait... 0% - 1% per day eh. I guess he can pay 0%.
assbot: [GLBSE] [HYDRO.BONDS] 1 @ 1.33 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: contracts get more and more complex, people don't like to read
OneEyed: BTC-Mining: + "In the event of failure of the entity receiving pass-through investment, these bonds will not be repurchased."
mircea_popescu: Chaang-Noi "I now have more BTC than I once did. What this is for is unclear." wait. what ?!
assbot: [GLBSE] [BMF] 1 @ 0.40300001 BTC [-]
OneEyed: "Whatever the entity is. You cannot check that didn't just steal your BTC. You lose." <-- should have been added too
mircea_popescu: and ofcourse the entity is secret, so the claim can't be verified.
mircea_popescu: OneEyed people need to learn somehow that calling yourself "investor" doesn't make you one
assbot: [GLBSE] [YABMC] 1 @ 0.07315001 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5520 @ 0.00036447 = 2.0119 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 980 @ 0.00036451 = 0.3572 BTC [+]
OneEyed: I guess many people feel safer with such "I may screw you clause, invest accordingly" because they feel warned and more empowered by their decision to "invest"
BTC-Mining: Psst, BTC-BOND. The entity is myself and myself only.
BTC-Mining: If you can't trade, loan the funds to me. There's my personal portfolio in front of loaned money to absorb losses.
mircea_popescu: BTC-Mining weren't you complaining you're cash heavy a second ago ?
OneEyed: The silence can be very noisy sometimes…
BTC-Mining: I do a lot of trading. I almost always have a large part of funds in bids.
BTC-Mining: Could have more bids up or simply keep it placed.
OneEyed: BTC-Mining: why don't you directly post MIN/MAX/DURATION/INTERESTS?
OneEyed: How much you want (MIN/MAX), for how long, and what you're ready to pay as interests for the loan
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASIC.COOP] 1 @ 0.84 BTC [-]
BTC-Mining: It's already all stated in BTC-BOND's contract.
BTC-Mining: I can buy back your bonds upon request.
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASIC.COOP] 1 @ 0.85 BTC [+]
OneEyed: Oh, "secured by GLBSE assets". I would chose FDBF if I wanted to trust GLBSE right now, better interest rates.
BTC-Mining: I want to see first if BFL really delivers their ASIC beggining of November
OneEyed: That will be funny to look at.
BTC-Mining: OneEyed: better interest, but what protection does FDBF offer?
OneEyed: BTC-Mining: none if GLBSE market crashes completely
OneEyed: usagi: you could do that with Pirate at the beginning too
OneEyed: usagi: like GBF. Very nice owner, very bad returns.
OneEyed: usagi: you wouldn't have known by doing your liquidity test at the beginning
OneEyed: And yet you'll call out funds :)
OneEyed: BTC-Mining: yep, the most transparent I've seen in a while
OneEyed: Yes, I know. But the goal is to get money, right? Given that both are on GLBSE, they are practically indistinguishable by casual investors.
BTC-Mining: Contractually, they are quite different in how they work however.
OneEyed: usagi: aren't you in complete control of CPA/BMF/NYAN.* already?
OneEyed: So you're saying that you'll multiply the investors BTC without ever risking their money?
OneEyed: I thought friedcat reference was some kind of a joke I didn't get. Is there really someone nicknamed friedcat?
OneEyed: Ok, never seen his name. Maybe because there's no asic yet.
BTC-Mining: Difference is, FDBF would have losses as soon as any holding they have a loss of value. BTC-BOND would not.
BTC-Mining: So it might pay less but not without extra benefits.
OneEyed: usagi: the problem with GLBSE and MPEX is that they act as a broker, in addition to being an exchange. As long as they don't keep an outside copy of the up-to-date investors portfolios, they disappearing make their investors broke
OneEyed: usagi: if a protocol could be worked out with those brokers to ensure the information is not lost if they default or get hacked, then they would be usable without concerns
mircea_popescu: if you choose to go through one mpex is just the exchange
mircea_popescu: if you chose to talk to it directly YOU are the broker.
mircea_popescu: the 20 btc you pay pretty much gets you a floor spot. you can trade on your own acct or be a broker, w/e.
OneEyed: mircea_popescu: more or less - you can still not prove ownership of a share to the asset owner, can you?
OneEyed: mircea_popescu: (you can only prove that you bought a share, but that doesn't show that you haven't sold it)
copumpkin: it'd be nice to get subset statements
copumpkin: so you don't have to reveal your entire holdings to your clients, as a broker
copumpkin: but you at least have a statement signed by MPEX saying that you own shit
OneEyed: usagi: so it doesn't exist
BTC-Mining: OneEyed, MPEx makes signed statements of account holdings.
OneEyed: usagi: such a protocol should be submitted to as many pair of eyes as possible
mircea_popescu: copumpkin the problem i see with substatements is this : a person could claim falsely they are covering many accounts with the statements for just the largest one
OneEyed: BTC-Mining: yes, but it forces you to reveal your portfolio, as underlined by copumpkin
copumpkin: OneEyed: so not to you, since you only have one?
mircea_popescu: therefore, this would introduce security theatre, no gain of safety.
mircea_popescu: and as such im not doing it. if client doesn't trust broker client doesn't use broker.
BTC-Mining: OneEyed, think I'd care about revealing my portfolio?
mircea_popescu: they can ask for order receipts from mpex, to prove broker isnt a bucket shop
OneEyed: BTC-Mining: some people could
BTC-Mining: It's been public since I started BTC-BOND
guruvan: yes it would be nice to be able to show someone one asset signed, without showing the whole portfolio
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10100 @ 0.00036273 = 3.6636 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26500 @ 0.00036075 = 9.5599 BTC [-]
BTC-Mining: Nope, got to go harass Amazingrando once again
guruvan: ah - yeah - that works fine, especially for a project I'm working on over here
BTC-Mining: Eh, he keeps forgetting about poor BTC-MINING
assbot: [GLBSE] [BAKEWELL] 2 @ 0.149 = 0.298 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 1 @ 0.00719998 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 39 @ 0.00719999 = 0.2808 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BFLS.RIG] 5 @ 0.8 = 4 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BFLS.RIG] 15 @ 0.799 = 11.985 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] [PAID] 10000000 @ 0.00002065 = 206.53002099 BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 300 @ 0.00044181 = 0.1325 BTC [+]
assbot: !pl <ticker> [<amount>@]<bought at> [<YYYY-MM-DD>]
assbot: Requesting data from GLBSE (might take a while, also might return fishy results as it does not account for splits etc).
assbot: [GLBSE] [DMC] 13 @ 0.075 = 0.975 BTC [+]
assbot: Requesting data from GLBSE (might take a while, also might return fishy results as it does not account for splits etc).
assbot: Requesting data from GLBSE (might take a while, also might return fishy results as it does not account for splits etc).
assbot: GSDPT [1@0.0032BTC] paid: 7.468E-5 BTC. Last price: 0.00389 BTC. Capital gain: 0.00069 BTC. Total: 0.00076468 BTC. (23.9%)
OneEyed: Dividends have probably not be paid there yet
OneEyed: since it's a passthrough to MPEX…
femtotube: OneEyed: 95% of divs only gets passed
OneEyed: femtotube: yeah, but even those 95% have probably not been passed yet
assbot: [GLBSE] [BLUECHIP] 3 @ 0.1 = 0.3 BTC [+]
femtotube: I wonder when those guys will back the bags and move on. He got his 10 years or so upfront
mircea_popescu: hopefully next month is 2x over expectation and that expectation is 6k or something
femtotube: 10% of a imaginary value, bloated way out of proportions
femtotube: what was the size of the issue in BTC?
markac: femtotube: Sorry, can't calculate that.
markac: Note that .calc is deprecated, consider using .c
markac: femtotube: Sorry, can't calculate that.
markac: Note that .calc is deprecated, consider using .c
DeaDTerra: GSDPT dividend will be paid in a couple of secs :)
DeaDTerra: 12.282453 BTC paid in dividend to GSDPT
femtotube: LOL, this is funny, that something like that is valued at 4.2MM usd
femtotube: whats the cost of 200 h of programming and testing?
PsychoticBoy: lol come on a simple site and game 4 fucking million, wtf, more like 50K
mircea_popescu: apple's worth a trillion on the strength of owning a market that's bound to be irrelevant soon
femtotube: apple has NOTHING to do with 200 h of programming and testing
mircea_popescu: PsychoticBoy i dunno why people keep thinking in terms of "o, a site"
mircea_popescu: it's the source of the majority of bitcoin transactions.
PsychoticBoy: no its a sinple game, programmed by a 4 year old
femtotube: who cares, it can be copied so easily
OneEyed: PsychoticBoy: I'm sure you're upset not to have had the idea first.
femtotube: hmmm... not a bad idea but i do not like gambling
mircea_popescu: OneEyed i got tons of ideas for you if you can code worth a shit and are willing to put the hours in
mircea_popescu: thing is, nobody can code, nobody wants to work, everyone wants to sit tits up and go "oh, these things that people pay money for aren't worth money"
femtotube: I can not code at all :( but I have some cool ideas too
OneEyed: mircea_popescu: time is a factor. Concerning whether I can code or not, Ohloh can tell you
mircea_popescu: yes time is a factor. that's what makes founders make money. they put the time in.
femtotube: If I can find someone to trust and write good code...
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user OneEyed has been recorded.
femtotube: OneEyed: looking at the URL, you have way too much free time :)
OneEyed: Yeah, I was a student then, and we worked on CVS with the team from a small company named "Cyclic Software"
OneEyed: CVS had just got client/server capabilities
kakobrekla: lol at least smpake is getting some traffic cause of bit4x
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 5 @ 0.111099 = 0.5555 BTC [-]
OneEyed: femtotube: I didn't "work" on the kernel, I wrote a driver for the watchdog of my dedicated server. I usually contribute when I need something, except for some projects that I find fun for some time, like c:geo
OneEyed: It helps that I teach how to write Linux device drivers in my embedded systems course. That was just a driver, indeed. Read the datasheet, write code, …, profit.
OneEyed: Yeah. I also have various dashes - – —
OneEyed: (shit, my font renders them the same way in my terminal)
OneEyed: In a text document they appear with different lengths :)
femtotube: dam, is there anything positive in the forums or only scamm accusations, rippoffs and everyday crap :(
OneEyed: femtotube: yeah, one think I have learned since I joined bitcointalk in July is that it's mostly shit
femtotube: sure, I have wife and kids right behind me at the moment.
OneEyed: femtotube: he was not asking you to *produce* porn :)
OneEyed: (that was a joke, apparently a bad one)
femtotube: he probably wants to send me some of his porn links
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 5300 @ 0.00044181 = 2.3416 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 3290 @ 0.00044181 = 1.4536 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: BTC-Mining kinda why i like irc. the vast majority of scammers doesn't have the technical ability to hang out yet.
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 31 @ 0.00719999 = 0.2232 BTC [+]
BTC-Mining: funnymoney? Let's shorten it to funmoney.
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 1 @ 0.00410001 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [CPA] 2 @ 0.015 = 0.03 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 29 @ 0.0041002 = 0.1189 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 1 @ 0.0041002 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 70 @ 0.0041001 = 0.287 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: femtotube just for my curiosity : does it occur to you s.dice would do much better by stealing the bets than by stealing the shareholders money ?
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 29 @ 0.00410001 = 0.1189 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 344 @ 0.004 = 1.376 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 1 @ 0.58 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [MERGEDMINING] 1 @ 0.06199999 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 300 @ 0.0034 = 1.02 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 1 @ 0.0034 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 19445 @ 0.0034 = 66.113 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 2 @ 0.00495 = 0.0099 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [MERGEDMINING] 1 @ 0.03 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1day: 0.0034 / 0.0034 / 0.0034 (148238 shares, 504.01 BTC), 30day: 0.00325001 / 0.00337675 / 0.0034 (1922813 shares, 6,492.86 BTC)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1036 @ 0.00036075 = 0.3737 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17300 @ 0.00036074 = 6.2408 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33164 @ 0.00036063 = 11.9599 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 90 @ 0.00339999 = 0.306 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 52 @ 0.003392 = 0.1764 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 100 @ 0.00339103 = 0.3391 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 700 @ 0.00339102 = 2.3737 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 333 @ 0.00339101 = 1.1292 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 1300 @ 0.003391 = 4.4083 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 300 @ 0.00331 = 0.993 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 12 @ 0.003301 = 0.0396 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 58 @ 0.0033 = 0.1914 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 1200 @ 0.0033 = 3.96 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 2 @ 0.59979999 = 1.1996 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [PUREMINING] 1 @ 0.1017 BTC [+]
DeaDTerra: Dividend was indeed paid for GSDPT
OneEyed: DeaDTerra: good luck on closing down GBF, I'm reading your post now
Diablo-D3: I thought I was subscribed to the gbf thread
assbot: [GLBSE] [DMC] 2 @ 0.075 = 0.15 BTC [+]
femtotube: "mircea_popescu | femtotube just for my curiosity..." I agree, that stealing and walking away not to long after successful IPO are similar acts but they are not really the same.
assbot: [GLBSE] [DMC] 1 @ 0.06 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [DMC] 1 @ 0.02 BTC [-]
Diablo-D3: DeaDTerra: so that 1 BTC I invested, what did it end up coming out as?
mircea_popescu: site is trusted to the tune of 1/4 mn a month in bets.
femtotube: mircea_popescu: are they making 4.2 USD that way?
OneEyed: mircea_popescu: it depends, dodn't forget that if SatoshiDice were to stop paying people, word will spread very rapidly, since they use 0 confirmations payout is immediate
DeaDTerra: Yes I am closing the fund unfortunatly
femtotube: Thy can not steal that large of a %
mircea_popescu: OneEyed except recently they had a day's worth of payments on backlog recall ?
OneEyed: DeaDTerra: I have had the occasion to tell you already, but I'll say it again a last time: I've not been lucky with my investment, but you were very nice as a manager, and for this I thank you
DeaDTerra: It was as high as 1.38 then we had tons of defaults and bad investments.
BTC-Mining: Currently buying in bulk: BIB.BVPS, S.BVPS, GIGAMINING, DMC, ASICMINER or anything else if it's a really good offer.
femtotube: best way is to run IPO, and than say ... of we can not run it any more. Some gambling blah is after us ... end of the story
DeaDTerra: Thank you!, It was not a easy decision to make, I must say.
OneEyed: mircea_popescu: ok, so they could get away with 3 days maybe, so 1/10th of the monthly bets, or 1/5th of the average profit. Might be enough as a scam though.
Diablo-D3: I think maybe bitcoin just isnt ready for prime time yet
DeaDTerra: It has been a big part of my life several hours a day for a year, all the people I have meet all the people that have trusted me. Felt horrible to let them all down, but I would rather cut it off now then to deterirate and become a shell of what it once was.
gigavps: femtotube because moar is betta
femtotube: "moar is betta" let me process that
femtotube: hold on, is DeaDTerra closing the shop?
mircea_popescu: OneEyed 1/10 of daily bets is the monthly profit for half a year.
DeaDTerra: I am closing up Gamma Bitcoin Fund
assbot: Requesting data from GLBSE (might take a while, also might return fishy results as it does not account for splits etc).
OneEyed: mircea_popescu: yeah, my computations were totally out
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 2 @ 0.11039988 = 0.2208 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.10800001 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 5 @ 0.108 = 0.54 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.106 BTC [-]
DeaDTerra: Yea :8, for the communities sake I would like to keep it going, but I don't have the time to keep the quality where I want it, and I don't want to offer a shitty service.
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 10 @ 0.105102 = 1.051 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 29 @ 0.105101 = 3.0479 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 12 @ 0.105 = 1.26 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 11 @ 0.10352448 = 1.1388 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 2 @ 0.10311 = 0.2062 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 10 @ 0.10302 = 1.0302 BTC [-]
femtotube: what's the symbol and IPO price you had?
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 12 @ 0.10300101 = 1.236 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 15 @ 0.103 = 1.545 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 39 @ 0.101102 = 3.943 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 15 @ 0.101002 = 1.515 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 5 @ 0.10100006 = 0.505 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 36 @ 0.10100005 = 3.636 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 5 @ 0.10100002 = 0.505 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 20 @ 0.10100001 = 2.02 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 158 @ 0.101 = 15.958 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 6 @ 0.10031 = 0.6019 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 2 @ 0.1002 = 0.2004 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 50 @ 0.1001 = 5.005 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 7 @ 0.10007 = 0.7005 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.10000002 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 5 @ 0.10000002 = 0.5 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 100 @ 0.10000002 = 10 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 35 @ 0.10000002 = 3.5 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 11 @ 0.10000002 = 1.1 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 163 @ 0.10000001 = 16.3 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 5 @ 0.1 = 0.5 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 80 @ 0.1 = 8 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 147 @ 0.1 = 14.7 BTC [-]
femtotube: BTC-Mining your lucky day! You wanted ASICMINER
OneEyed: Looks like someone dumped a lot of shares of ASICMINER
DeaDTerra: femtotube, it was not share based but account based.
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.11109889 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 7 @ 0.1110989 = 0.7777 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 33 @ 0.0033995 = 0.1122 BTC [+]
BTC-Mining: People need to tell me where to place my bids =/
DeaDTerra: No, I do not plan to do that, I might though if SEC says it's illegal or if GLBSE goes the way of having to register everything. I am seing the BTC securities going from gray to dark gray
DeaDTerra: once it turns just a hint of black I am out.
mircea_popescu: seems more a problem of glbse trust pushing them down than anything.
DeaDTerra: Totally transparent, daily updated log books and the whole portfolio updated daily and publically open
OneEyed: DeaDTerra: you'll probably get the question, so: will you allow people to sell their accounts (at a discount if they want out faster than is described)?
DeaDTerra: how things should be run, instead of promising things you can't hold and then default
DeaDTerra: Yea sure, I have nothing against that, it's a open market
DeaDTerra: I want to note acount balance does not mean amount paid out.
DeaDTerra: The amount paid out will be the amount of BTC you have invested/total BTC invested * bitcoins liquidated
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 4 @ 0.10800002 = 0.432 BTC [-]
OneEyed: Yeah, of course, and I've seen your answer to strello
DeaDTerra: Good just want to make that clear so I don't end up being called a scammer or something like that.
femtotube: was there a saying that you buy when there is blood on the streets and sell, when everyone has a party? Or something like that?
OneEyed: I think it will need to be stressed more, as some people will expect the exact amount
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18300 @ 0.00036094 = 6.6052 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34100 @ 0.00036451 = 12.4298 BTC [+]
DeaDTerra: okay I added a edit to explain that part.
mircea_popescu: so pretty much BTC-Mining and the dutch ppls are what's left in glbse funds at any sort of standard ?
DeaDTerra: I will say though, when there's a market for it, I have enough time and people want me to I am happy to open up GBF again, but right now neither of these are true.
OneEyed: DeaDTerra: another remark: "The logbooks will not be daily but weekly and will reflect the amount liquidated"
OneEyed: DeaDTerra: how will people know what how the "expected" amount evolves?
DeaDTerra: I will keep the current way of calculating NAV
OneEyed: Ok, makes sense. This will converge towards 0 this way.
DeaDTerra: so I will have a amount liquidated and that will be the liquid BTC and then I will have amount left and that will be the value of the illiquid assets
assbot: [GLBSE] [FPGAMINING] 1 @ 0.40050001 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [FPGAMINING] 1 @ 0.4005 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [FPGAMINING] 1 @ 0.4003 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [FPGAMINING] 2 @ 0.4002 = 0.8004 BTC [-]
OneEyed: And people should also realize that your way of liquidating means that they may get their current investment back, or even get more of it.
assbot: [GLBSE] [FPGAMINING] 1 @ 0.376 BTC [-]
DeaDTerra: List of investors and their holdings:
femtotube: mircea_popescu: but the flying D is inevstinf to different GLBSE issues. So, if there is nothing left to invest, who will they be worth anything?
OneEyed: femtotube: that's also my fear. Right now they do fine, more than fine even, but if they grow, they'll have nothing to invest into
femtotube: btw, s.dice total issue is 20.6K BTC?
femtotube: and at that rate they go, it will take 10 years to earn what they are taking home from IPO? no no ...
DeaDTerra: Okay, I am leaving now guys. Please keep a eye on the GBF thread and keep it calm and cilizied until I get back okay? :)
femtotube: 30K BTC for 10%! and 10% from 2K is 200
mircea_popescu: the shares make roughly 15-20% a year on dividends, yes
mircea_popescu: dude. he makes the whole net. he owns 9x% of the shares.
femtotube: he makes 2-5K but investors paid 30K for 10%
mircea_popescu: and on that 34.5k they realise through dividends about 15-20% a year.
BTC-Mining: What's the 6 month you are talking about?
mircea_popescu: BTC-Mining he asked how long does the guy take to make what the shareholders paid.
femtotube: this is irrelevant and confuses the heck out of it
femtotube: the total ipo is 30K BTC yes (give or take)
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 1 @ 0.00402001 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 24 @ 0.00402 = 0.0965 BTC [-]
femtotube: and this 34.5K BTC represents 10% of the Co?
femtotube: now, if investors get 200 BTC a month
mircea_popescu: they'd likely get more. 200 was half the expected yield this month
BTC-Mining: 34.5K would need then 3.45k a year in divs for 10% or 287.5 BTC per month
mircea_popescu: if they make 200 btc a month in divs it will take ~15 years for the divs to accumulate to the level of their original investment.
femtotube: they just had a div 206 for investors
mircea_popescu: BTC-Mining the expected statistical yield for sept was ~420 iirc
mircea_popescu: femtotube well, so thei did a 768 div month before that.
femtotube: mircea_popescu: correct and that what i was trying to tell you
mircea_popescu: i fail to see the problem tho. dividends are a little above what is paid on nyse commonly.
BTC-Mining: That's exactly the problem. It's not Microsoft co or whatever. It's significantly more risky.
BTC-Mining: As such, getting such low dividends...
femtotube: to what? regulated market? Where you can not just lift your hat and say good day and walk?
femtotube: s.dice is a blockchain spamming web sire where pople gamble. Illegal probably too :)
femtotube: mircea_popescu: and how many CO's are listed in NYSE and NASDAQ?
mircea_popescu: well obviously the obsolete version will have more years duh
assbot: [GLBSE] [MOORE] 6 @ 0.5001 = 3.0006 BTC [+]
femtotube: is that bunch bigger, than GLBSE and all the others combined? What about daily turn over, market cap etc?
mircea_popescu: in 1920 the argument that stagecoach was used for YEARS did what exactly ? cars win.
mircea_popescu: actually, mpex owned the romanian stock exchange on s.dice ipo day
assbot: [GLBSE] [MU] 6 @ 0.19 = 1.14 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GERBITIN.PYRA] 2 @ 0.98 = 1.96 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 500 @ 0.0004418 = 0.2209 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.11 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [MINING] 3 @ 0.8 = 2.4 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 14 @ 0.0033995 = 0.0476 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BITBOND] 1 @ 0.25000001 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 2 @ 0.11099889 = 0.222 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [YABMC] 1 @ 0.07499999 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [MINING] 1 @ 0.8 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BBBB] 14 @ 0.00016 = 0.0022 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BBBB] 181 @ 0.00016 = 0.029 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 30 @ 0.0033995 = 0.102 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.11 BTC [-]
dub: scam accusations sure are backing up
dub: by undertaking to protect 'the community' in the manner then failing im pretty sure theymos, maged and any other staff are making scammers of themselves
assbot: [GLBSE] [BBBB] 100 @ 0.00016 = 0.016 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1400 @ 0.0003613 = 0.5058 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25594 @ 0.00036451 = 9.3293 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3969 @ 0.00036458 = 1.447 BTC [+]
dub: the scam accusation forum
dub: im just commenting that there are a large number of accusation threads that don't seem to have been actioned
jcpham: i like t print out forum threads as toilet paper
jurov: imho bitcointalk ought be replaced by something more reddit-like
jurov: good idea, i should offer it on bitmit.com "Toilet paper with btctalk thread of your choice"
dub: I once used a windows 3.x manual for toilet paper
rg: i bet that would sell
jurov: sorry that i don't have inkjet anymore... dunno how it would work with laser
dub: jurov: I'll take as many rolls as needed to print all of LoupGaroux, or whatever that fuckwits name is, posts
jurov: on 40m roll will fit 800 posts, if average one has 5cm
dub: no, of all the arrogant knowitall assclowns that one holds itself in teh highest regard
dub: also, everyone hates the rench
jurov: be careful, romanians are quite close to french :)
mircea_popescu: it's actually the french that are close to the romanians, or at least trying
mircea_popescu: Bugpowder when are you gonna splurge on an irc client ?
Bugpowder: Probably when I make some bitcoins on a trade
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 9 @ 0.004021 = 0.0362 BTC [+]
Bugpowder: but I will never get out of the F.GIGA.ETF panic sell hole
jcpham: i bouncer would blow your mind then Bugpowder
jcpham: excuse me, i'm old. a bnc i mean
jcpham: like a private ircdthat you configure
jcpham: to stay connected and log
Bugpowder: I might have used that many years ago
Bugpowder: I haven't don't much on IRC since 96-01
dub: I like to IRC from a bnc terminator
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 1000 @ 0.0004418 = 0.4418 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 3700 @ 0.0004418 = 1.6347 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 900 @ 0.0004418 = 0.3976 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 2025 @ 0.0004418 = 0.8946 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40143 @ 0.00036458 = 14.6353 BTC [+]
Bugpowder: I prefer to IRC from my browser window
jcpham: packet radio would be more effective
rg: hehe i have some BNC pcmcia shit
rg: i had some 10mbit nics too
dub: I've got nics, connectors, miles of cable